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150 min read · 30,079 words- 0:00 – 1:31
Rogan welcomes the “Podfather” and the evolution of podcasting
- ACAdam Curry
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- ACAdam Curry
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)
- JRJoe Rogan
Adam Curry.
- ACAdam Curry
Joe Rogan.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Podfather, you are the Podfather. There can be only one.
- ACAdam Curry
Joe Rogan, uh, since you recertified me as the Podfather my life has been so enriched-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ACAdam Curry
... since March of, uh, 2020 you have given me, uh, an inc- just an incredible new lease on professional life. It's been-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's awesome.
- ACAdam Curry
... fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I didn't have to recertify you. Everybody knows. You, you're the original.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Without you, there, there, there are no podcasts. Without you.
- ACAdam Curry
But, you know, there are a lot of, uh, podcast listeners who are on the scene now and they're too young to have even ... This is 18 years ago when, when podcasting was first developed.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's so crazy.
- ACAdam Curry
18 years ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
So crazy.
- ACAdam Curry
So they know it maybe from Serial, 2016 or so.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow. We're 11 years. This is, this show is in the neighborhood, it's gettin' close to 11 years old. It's like 10 and a half years old.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you, like 18 years-
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... is cra- That's crazy.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah. And the, and the way it's evolved has been pretty interesting.
- JRJoe Rogan
It is interesting, right? It's like w- the way it's evolving on YouTube is very bizarre. Like, 'cause there's folks that, um, up until fairly recently only did their show on YouTube.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And now I think some of those folks are starting to branch out and they're doing them on other platforms as well. But-
- ACAdam Curry
Well, you know why.
- JRJoe Rogan
With the censorship.
- 1:31 – 4:19
Misinformation is not new: printing press gossip, Catherine the Great, and mythmaking
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's, it's kind of spooky. And, you know, people think that, well, you have to do something to combat misinformation and ... You know, um, we were talking the other day about Yuval, uh, Noah Harari, the, the guy, the author who wrote Sapiens.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
He, um, had a, a segment on his, uh, Instagram where he was talking about, um, misinformation on the internet and about how when books first came out, the, the most popular books weren't books on Galileo, they weren't-
- ACAdam Curry
No, it was gossip. Gossip crap.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, he was saying that it was about witches and how to spot witches.
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs) Right, right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and then countless people were killed because people were convinced that these how to spot witches books were good-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... so they were going around trying to spot witches and kill them. And so this was, uh, at the, uh, invention of the printing press, this was, like, one of the first early uses of it. I had not heard that, but when he said it, it was like (snaps fingers) bing! Oh, of course.
- ACAdam Curry
Have you seen The Great? Uh, the Cat- Catherine The Great, uh, series?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- ACAdam Curry
Um, so, and I think a lot of it may actually be historically true, although it's completely a comedy. Like, you know, she apparently had sex with her horse and there's some historical evidence of that. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, supposedly did, right?
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Did she die having sex with the horse? Did the horse fawn on her or something?
- ACAdam Curry
Uh, h- you know, that's possi- Well, there's another series coming out so it hasn't happened yet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know what I mean?
- ACAdam Curry
You know, series two is coming.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did I spoil it? (laughs)
- ACAdam Curry
But, um, sh- you know, according to, to the s- to the Netflix series, she brought the printing press, uh, into the country and then, uh, they started printing gossip stuff, which people liked a lot more than anything else.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
So, and, you know, I think that still holds true. Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, for sure.
- ACAdam Curry
Absolutely. Now, do you consider ... YouTube you don't consider a podcast, do you?
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it's kind of a podcast. It's the same thing, right? I mean, this podcast for the longest time was on YouTube. And it's still on YouTube in clip form.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, I mean, what is the difference between, like, what we do and, you know, maybe what, uh ... Like Tim Pool, does he have-
- NANarrator
Wait, what? Sorry.
- ACAdam Curry
What?
- NANarrator
History.com says this is, this is all misinformation. People like talking shit about her.
- 4:19 – 7:20
Who writes history? Competing narratives and the appeal of contrarian ‘true true stories’
- JRJoe Rogan
"... were al- ready to be deployed against her. Revolutionary presses happily poured out the same kind of polemic prose that depicted Catherine as prey to her voracious sexual appetite." Woo! "British presses ..." You know what? I had heard that, that was the same with, um ... Someone sent me, um, uh, something about Elizabeth Báthory. Do you know who she was?
- ACAdam Curry
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Elizabeth Báthory was, uh, she was supposedly this very evil woman who murdered a lot of young women. Uh, and she was a royal. And, um, that she ... Yeah. See, see it says, "serial killer."
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But what this guy said to me-
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs) I love that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because apparent- Well, the, the story was that she would find these young peasant women and murder them.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, uh, she would bathe in their blood in an attempt to try to regain her youth.
- ACAdam Curry
To get the adrenochrome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, something like that.
- ACAdam Curry
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they found out that she had done this, and then because she was a royal she wasn't killed, she was just sort of locked in a tower for the rest of her life. And she died under house arrest.
- ACAdam Curry
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But someone sent me a link to a story, 'cause we were talking about it on the podcast ... I forget which friend of mine sent it to me, where it was disputing that and saying that she was framed thus to steal her land. Because, uh, she was a woman and this woman owned large swaths of land as a royal, and they wanted to take over her land. And the way they could take over her land was to say that she was a murderer and that she had been murdering young peasants and they framed her with this crime.
- ACAdam Curry
The older I get, the more I realize how-... much history that I've learned or have read is, could likely be completely full of shit. There could be... There's always multiple ways of viewing a situation historically. Um, I think it's kind of in our brain, the idea-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
... that, you know, you can see something, I can see the same thing, and we interpret that differently, and I think that's truth and you think that's, you know, something else as truth.
- JRJoe Rogan
For sure.
- ACAdam Curry
So again... And, and whoever writes the history literally writes the history.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
You know, so that you can look at how, after World War II, you know, who, we got to write the history. It's a little more complex, all the things that happened in Europe and with Russia, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
... you know, there's, there's, there's lots of ways of looking at it. Uh, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean-
- ACAdam Curry
... I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... think about the... Okay, let's, let's think about like the history of... First of all, before... I wanna get into the history of Julian Assange, but-
- ACAdam Curry
Ooh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that p- is that true about Elizabeth Bathory?
- NANarrator
I was just digging through the Wikipedia on her. It's around the time of like Hungary, Transylvania, so this sounds like vampire time period. Uh, she's been credited with somewhere in the range of 650 deaths. There was a lot of witnesses and a trial, but there was a theory about what you're saying and then someone's trying to counter it and that's what I was reading through right now.
- 7:20 – 10:41
Twitter as an algorithmic machine: feeds, friction, and “sticky” negativity
- ACAdam Curry
Totally. By the way, I've noticed... I was just thinking this morning, Twitter is actually incredibly racist, Twitter the machine.
- JRJoe Rogan
How so?
- ACAdam Curry
They're, they're... Um, so I'm, I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. So I get Bitcoin Twitter, I get it in my feed, but, you know, I s- uh, I do a show with Mo, Mo Facts. Um, I follow different Black Americans, uh, but I don't get Black Twitter. It doesn't give me all the stuff. I mean, I get all the Bitcoin stuff just by following a few people. I don't get it... And I never see anything... I never see different languages, I never see anything from Asia. So it's making decisions there that I think are inherently bigoted.
- JRJoe Rogan
But don't you have to follow people to get their feed?
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah, but if I... I know, so I follow a couple people that I would consider in Black Twitter, and I just don't get the stuff in my feed. From them, a little bit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- ACAdam Curry
But they're not really giving me the full fire hose. It's like I c- no matter what I try to do to train the algo, it's very difficult.
- JRJoe Rogan
I do.
- ACAdam Curry
James-
- NANarrator
I get a pretty decent feed of it. I see it.
- ACAdam Curry
I follow you, so how come I don't get any of it?
- NANarrator
I don't, I don't retweet stuff-
- ACAdam Curry
'Cause he doesn't retweet.
- NANarrator
... and do, like... I'm-
- ACAdam Curry
No.
- NANarrator
I'm just looking, sort of.
- ACAdam Curry
No, okay.
- NANarrator
I don't really actively participate. I don't wanna part- add into the algorithm.
- ACAdam Curry
Right.
- NANarrator
Kind of. That's almost why, but-
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah. Well, that's the, that's the game is like I wanna add to the algorithm to find out, you know, some stuff, but I just don't get it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
It won't come to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Twitter is a problem.
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just-
- ACAdam Curry
To put it lightly.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's great in many ways. There's many good things about it. It's a great way to get information. It's a great way to find out about, you know, revolutions that are happening all, all around the world and disasters and all kinds of other things. But it's also a very poor way to communicate. And when you're trying to get out complex, nuanced thoughts in 240 characters or 280 characters, whatever it is, it's just not a, an effective way to do that. It- it's... Maybe it's a good writing exercise, it's good for comics who just wanna like tweet out a quick one line or a joke.
- ACAdam Curry
And would-be comics-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 10:41 – 14:19
Platform censorship and political power: Hunter Biden story as a turning point
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I don't know where the censorship is going. You know, the censorship disturbs the shit out of me, because there was political censorship that was very clear and very- they made a decision during the, uh, election to not release any of the Hunter Biden stuff.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they censored the New York Post-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... which is really crazy, because the New York Post is an enormous newspaper.
- ACAdam Curry
It's been around for how many years?
- JRJoe Rogan
Hundreds, right?
- ACAdam Curry
Uh, at least 80.
- JRJoe Rogan
At least 800.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe 100. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it's more than 100 years old.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think. Maybe I don't know.
- ACAdam Curry
Uh, uh, it's old. It's been around-
- JRJoe Rogan
How long has it been around?
- ACAdam Curry
... longer than the internet.
- JRJoe Rogan
200?
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
Holy crap.
- JRJoe Rogan
200 years old.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. So, it's been around forever and it was a real story, and they decided that real story could cost Joe Biden the election. They wanted Joe Biden to win the election.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So they decided they will not air that story.
- ACAdam Curry
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so if you put that story in your tweets, they deleted it. If you put it on Facebook, they deleted it. They made a, a mass censorship decision that would favor the Democratic Party, which is really weird. It's real weird, 'cause it's, it's not-
- ACAdam Curry
Why, why, why do you see it as weird if you know that people who are running these companies... And I'm not talking about Jack Dorsey, but there's a board, there's, you know, there's a lot of money involved, and, uh, you know, there's antitrust, there's... Government is involved with them, trying to fuck with them, so there's this give and take, what are you doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- ACAdam Curry
There's, there's a lot of thing- you know...
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting.
- 14:19 – 22:43
January 6th narratives: violence, media framing, and agent provocateurs
- ACAdam Curry
Zuby had a really good post this morning, like a twen- like a 20-parter about all the things that, um, really social media is a big part of, but how, uh, people will often choose, obviously, security over some, over some liberty, um, how they would rather be, um... They'd rather have a little bit of, um... They'd rather not take a chance and be accepted by the group. I mean, these are all very human behaviors and even without social media's direct intervention, uh, the internet has, has really created a, a beautiful place for propagandists to go to work.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- ACAdam Curry
And it's really, really sophisticated, some of this stuff, and, and we don't even know, you don't catch most of it, but so much is being propagandized by corporations mainly, uh, but also, you know, just look at the, the reporting. If we can just touch the third rail, January 6th, you know, this is being thr- rammed down our throats as an insurrection, the most dangerous thing that's ever happened since the Civil War. That's our president who said that. Um, I mean, I have eyes, I saw some of it, you know, we, we haven't seen the 10,000 hours of video that's available, but to say that that was a violent insurrection on par with the Civil War or the worst since 9/11 and we need a 9/11-type commission? Uh, I mean...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
... I'm not blind, I watched it live. I saw a lot of what was going on and it just doesn't seem like there's a truth there between what most would say is, "Well, we're just walking in between the lines." No, more happened than that, um, but a violent... And it killed five people. No. Th- you know, three people died of natural causes (laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
They were protesters, right? Didn't-
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... some of the protesters die if they had heart attacks?
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it's probably the most exciting moment of their life.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah. Uh, it happens, you get a big group of people together and, you know, someone's gonna, gonna bite the bullet. Um, you know, the incessant lying about the one Capitol Hill police officer, that he was killed, but he died of a, a, um, of a stroke later that night, you know, he wasn't killed by a fire extinguisher to the head.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they said he, they beat him to death. Right? That's what everyone is saying.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah, but it just wasn't true, but that just keeps being repeated and it just becomes lore, it becomes the truth after a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he... But he likely died because of the stress caused by that event.
- ACAdam Curry
Well, that ha- that isn't being reported like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
So, you know. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's-
- ACAdam Curry
The report was he got bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher.
- JRJoe Rogan
The thing that b- bothered me the most that I didn't hear much discussion at all, that we've talked about a few times on here, is the cops opening up the gates. Like what the fuck was that? And taking selfies with people, like the MAGA-loving cops-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that thought it would be a good idea to open the gates and let the protesters through.
- ACAdam Curry
Well, but again, we've only seen what we've seen.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ACAdam Curry
What has been presented to us. So we don't... Everyone has an agenda, we don't really know wha- what... You know, every angle. Like I'm in this studio, and I saw your studio, and I'm like, I had no idea what it would really look like, because I'm just seeing a little piece of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ACAdam Curry
And now I'm here and I'm like, "Oh, okay, here's the reality of what it really looks like."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ACAdam Curry
It's a very, very different type of situation. Um, but we're, we've gotten to this place where... (sighs) Now, I'm a conspiracy therapist, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 22:43 – 26:51
Election systems and control: ranked-choice voting and H.R.1 concerns
- ACAdam Curry
That's what it is. They tried to destroy our democracy. Our democracy has never been in so much peril before. First of all, we're a republic. But, you know, it's like, um, no, that's just not true. Uh, ranked-choice voting is probably more detrimental to a democracy than what happened on January 6th. You follow New York, where they've changed the way you vote?
- JRJoe Rogan
How so?
- ACAdam Curry
So instead of votes for, for mayoral candidate, instead of just voting I want this guy or this gal to be, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ACAdam Curry
... the mayor, you do number one pick, number two, number three, number four, number five, you go down the line.
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- ACAdam Curry
And the last person's votes get removed and they get redistributed amongst the rest, but not number one, I think. So it-
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- ACAdam Curry
Yes! They still haven't figured out exactly who's, who, who the winner is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wait a minute. So-
- ACAdam Curry
Ranked-choice voting, Jamie.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is so crazy.
- ACAdam Curry
They, this is what they want-
- JRJoe Rogan
So you don't just vote for one person?
- ACAdam Curry
You vote for... It's ranked, so you-
- JRJoe Rogan
So you have choice number one-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, "Well, if Eric Adams can't make it, I would like Andrew Yang. If Andrew Yang can't make it, I want this guy."
- ACAdam Curry
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's how it works?
- ACAdam Curry
Yes. In fact, I think that if we had ranked-choice voting for the general election, which is, I believe is what the Democrats would like it to be, that's part of what House Bill 1 is, or Ho- H.R. 1, um, is, is to have ranked-choice voting for the general election. And if that had happened in, in a previous election, we would have, uh, Elizabeth Warren as our president, probably. You get mediocre people, I think, with that system.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- ACAdam Curry
It's not really a one person, one vote. It's one person, five votes.
- JRJoe Rogan
All right, here we go. So, here it is. New York City voters will be using the new rank choice voting system for the June pass, uh, party primary elections for mayor, uh, comptroller, uh, public advocate, borough president, and city council.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Voters will be able to rank up to five candidates in order of preference. And rank choice voting eliminates the runoff elections that used to occur in some states-
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for citywide offices.
- ACAdam Curry
So, they kinda do a... it's a runoff built into the election. So, if, if there's no one with more than 50%, which is very, very common in, in, uh, in, in your typical election, um, then they, then they start to move it around and, and move the votes from the, from the, the loser to the, to the second, third, and firth, fourth choice. And also, you can game it that way. So, if you, if you absolutely hate Eric Adams, then you're gonna put, um, your favorites in a different position knowing that, um, when the loser loses their votes, your person will move up, maybe from three to two. I mean, it's, it's, it's a... uh, it's mathematics that (laughs) I don't completely understand, but I know that they ha-... don't have results. They... it's just still a problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
They still don't have the results for the-
- 26:51 – 33:55
COVID narrative whiplash: lab leak, masks flipping overnight, and media reversal
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, in, in some ways. Like, like, uh, here's a good example. The la-... the lab leak theory.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you had the lab leak theory on Facebook-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... a year ago, you'd get banned. You... your posts get deleted.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You cannot, you cannot have that theory because that theory's not in line with either the CDC or the WHO. Now, it's the primary theory.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, most scientists who've looked at the evidence objectively since Trump is no longer in office-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's been now seven months, everybody's... uh, their heart rate has dropped down enough and their anxiety has reached levels where they can actually look at-
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... the science.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, you know, Jon Stewart's rant did wonders for that. That rant was fantastic.
- ACAdam Curry
I personally believe that something happened, something happened. All of a sudden, we had this mask mandate removed within a second, like next day, and people were caught off guard. Schools were freaking out. "What do we... we're not ready. You didn't prepare us." And the CDC has been very good at prepping everybody, all the institutions. They get the pre-news, "We're gonna do this. It's coming out." You hear a thing, "Oh, tomorrow, CDC is making an announcement." None of that. It just happened. It switched. I'm still not sure exactly why, but that went away overnight. And then all of a sudden we got all these other things. Um, we have, uh, ivermectin and, uh, hydroxychloroquine stories bubbling up. Um, but, you know, this example, the, the bat versus the lab, that just, all of a sudden, based upon a story written by a former New York T-... well, actually, it was a little worse than that. The story was, turns out three people tested... or were sick who were working in the lab. And that's why now the lab theory is in play. That, of course, is bullshit because if, if we had a story that, "Oh, three people got sick in the lab. That means it must come from the lab," everyone would criticize it and say, "No way, that's not possible. You're conspiracy theorists full of shit." But they're... like, a former New York Times, um... or a New York Times, uh, columnist who's in his, I think his 70s now, he went through the whole thing and said, "Look, here's the absolute proof that, that we have to at least look at this. It makes... there's more evidence here than there is for the, for the bat or the pangolin." And maybe there's a book or some... so stuff is coming out and things... and opinions are changing. And I, I think it's related to the, to the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, all I see is marketing. I just see fucking marketing everywhere. So, when this changed... and I know Jon Stewart. I know him back from, uh, before the Comedy Central, the MTV Beach House. Um, I think he was sent in to soften the blow. I, uh, I really critically look at what he and Colbert did together, and that they have worked together a lot. And Colbert is a great actor. I really think that Colbert was not surprised. He knew that it was coming, and Jon Stewart had, had a message, and he delivered it. And it softened the blow.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, you think that Jon Stewart is involved in a conspiracy to release the information in a funny way so that people accept it more?
- ACAdam Curry
Well, I, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy. I, I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, someone conspired. They, they-
- ACAdam Curry
Jon Stewart is very-
- JRJoe Rogan
... coordinated.
- ACAdam Curry
... involved in pol- in politics, you know. He's, he's, he's very much-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's also a standup comic, though.
- ACAdam Curry
Well, okay, so maybe it was a joke, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
I-... it's 100% was routine, and he's been doing standup comedy.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, he's, he's back on the road. Well, I don't know if he's on the road, but he definitely performed with Dave. He was with Chappelle at, uh, one of Dave's, um, Yellow Springs, Ohio shows.
- ACAdam Curry
But did he promote that when he came on the Colbert Show?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, this is post that. He- he-
- ACAdam Curry
What- what- what did he come on The Colbert Show for?
- 33:55 – 1:05:41
Suppressed treatments, pharma incentives, and vaccine uncertainty debates
- ACAdam Curry
So how- how does the media, in particular, and politicians recover from, um, the media in particular, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are shit because Trump said so? How does that recover?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, hydroxychloroquine, yes. I- ivermectin-
- ACAdam Curry
How do they recover? How do they recover?
- JRJoe Rogan
Ivermectin did not get discussed by Trump as far as I understood.
- ACAdam Curry
Oh, a couple times, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did he?
- ACAdam Curry
A couple times, sure, sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it wasn't the big one, like, uh, hydroxychloroquine was a big one. He's like, "It's basically a miracle. It's a miracle."
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it- it's not as effective as ivermectin according to these studies that have been... And there's a- quite a few studies and people are like, "Where's the suppression? There's all these studies being done on ivermectin." Look, scientists do science. Scientific studies are always gonna take place, particularly, um, when- when there's this- a drug that is not just a viable drug for, uh, as an antiparasitic, but it's been used for over 40 years, it has a very high efficacy rate for river blindness and it's- it's a great drug.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I've- and the guy who created it won a Nobel Prize. YouTube removed his video.
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm. I know. Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
This- this is the very guy who won the Nobel Prize for ivermectin. YouTube removed a video of him discussing it, which is just crazy to think that some tech nerd from Silicon Valley has the insight and, like, you know, the world doesn't need to hear- to hear this. The world shouldn't be- shouldn't have access to this- this information. That's insanity. That- that to me is very creepy that someone at- at YouTube made that decision, that- that you're gonna take this man who won the Nobel Prize for ivermectin and he's got this video... I don't know the content of the video. Do you know the content of the video that they removed?
- ACAdam Curry
I've- I've seen many different videos of him.
- JRJoe Rogan
But this is him-
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm. I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... discussing ivermectin and he was removed.
- ACAdam Curry
But this is- it's the same with the- the same with the inventor of the mRNA, uh, technology.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ACAdam Curry
He's also been removed. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, it's insanity.
- ACAdam Curry
There were- the, um, um, uh, Peter McCullough, Dr. McCullough, he testified in Senate a- about, uh, ivermectin and- and YouTube took down his Senate testimonial.
- JRJoe Rogan
Same thing as Dr. Pierre Kory.
- ACAdam Curry
So, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Same exact thing that-
- ACAdam Curry
It was a great episode, by the way-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ACAdam Curry
... with- with- with Kory and- and Brett. Uh, it was fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
That guy's treated hundreds, if not thousands-
- 1:05:41 – 1:13:19
Advertising as censorship + ESG: the ‘woke’ corporate scorecard
- ACAdam Curry
So ESG, have you heard of this?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- ACAdam Curry
Environmental, uh, s-
- JRJoe Rogan
I feel like I should have a drink. You want to have a drink?
- ACAdam Curry
I'd love a drink.
- JRJoe Rogan
We need a drink. This is-
- ACAdam Curry
Especially when we get into ESG.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is too intense.
- ACAdam Curry
No, but the ESG-
- JRJoe Rogan
Tell, uh-
- ACAdam Curry
... is fascinating.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bring some glasses in?
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- ACAdam Curry
So ESG, and, and this is now something that if you want to invest in a company, they will... on their investor relations page, they'll show you their ESG score. ESG stands for environmental, social, corporate governance. And this is where the woke culture comes from. So they've created this kind of phony baloney rating system that says, well, if you......I, I'm, I'm exaggerating, but if you mention that you are, you know, uh, have a green agenda and you, and you believe in carbon credits and you might trade some credits somewhere, then you get a higher score, and therefore you're more investable. And it's very interesting to see how big investors like insurance company, institutional investors, they are steering away from anything that does not have the right ESG rating. And so in order to, uh, have investors continue to be interested in the stock, which is important for the company, for its perception, certainly for the, uh, the officers of the company, and the shareholders, uh, you have to move this, move this along continuously. And so it's very simple to see why doing a woke ad as Nike or as any other company, um, and, and, uh, Pride Month is fantastic because you could... I mean, pride is easy. Throw up some flags, show the right people, trans-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Right.
- ACAdam Curry
... whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ACAdam Curry
And then you got a high ESG score.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- ACAdam Curry
And so this is a control mechanism that is being used throughout all corporations worldwide, and I don't even think it's stoppable. People are just starting to figure out what's going on. That's where all this is coming from. Nike doesn't give a fuck about Black people that way. I don't believe it. They care about their stock price. Of course, individually, there's people who care. There's no doubt about it. But it's driven by ESG. It is the... And so it kind of started with, uh, DEI, the diversity, equity, inclusion. That has now moved over to, um... and you can look it up, SASB, the SASB, that's the Board of Standards and Statistics for Corporations, and they have this formula how you measure, uh, your ESG score and if you're really investable.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- ACAdam Curry
And it's funny because you'll see, like, Nike has a 75% score. Tesla, which you'd think would be really good, 38, because, you know, not woke enough or Elon, you know, says the wrong things. So it's actually harder to in- (laughs) invest, uh, for an institution to invest in Tesla because of their low ESG score.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- ACAdam Curry
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Huh.
- ACAdam Curry
Yeah, this is, this is some... I'm just really learning about this myself.
- JRJoe Rogan
I did not... Wh- how did you find out about this ESG stuff?
- ACAdam Curry
Ah, kidneys, brother.
- JRJoe Rogan
Kidneys?
- ACAdam Curry
(laughs)
Episode duration: 3:08:08
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