Joe Rogan Experience #1685 - Shane Gillis

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) All right, we're back after a brief hiatus. We had a little fuck-up here.

Shane Gillis 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:16 But we're back. Cheers again.

Shane Gillis 0:17 Yeah, cheers.

Joe Rogan 0:18 So we were saying that, uh, I was saying that this is Stanhope's move, drinking Bud Light, and you were saying that you like drinking Bud Light because, uh, you could drink more. And then I said Stanhope switched to cocktails. This, all this happened, we had a fuck-up-

Shane Gillis 0:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... with the recording. But you said you lived with Stanhope.

Shane Gillis 0:34 I did.

Joe Rogan 0:34 At the fucking Neverland Ranch?

Shane Gillis 0:36 Yes. It was crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:37 Yeah, what's he doing out there?

Shane Gillis 0:39 Uh, what do you think?

Joe Rogan 0:40 Yeah. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 0:41 (laughs) Just guess.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Just being bombed and having-

Shane Gillis 0:43 He's nuts.

Joe Rogan 0:43 ... random strangers show up at his house?

Shane Gillis 0:45 Yeah. He doesn't care. I mean, he's, he's still, he's so funny, but yeah, every once in a while, he'd get, he'd get a little nasty.

Joe Rogan 0:52 Yeah?

Shane Gillis 0:52 He'd turn on me.

Joe Rogan 0:53 He'd turn on you?

Shane Gillis 0:54 Yeah, I'd say every, because we, I mean, it was, it was like a month and I, I can drink, but I can't-

Joe Rogan 0:59 So, you lived with him for a whole month?

Shane Gillis 1:00 Yeah, I lived, I stayed in the guest house.

Joe Rogan 1:02 What is that place like, that Bisbee, Arizona?

Shane Gillis 1:04 It's a cool town.

Joe Rogan 1:05 Yeah?

Shane Gillis 1:06 It's really cool, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's like an old mining town, so every house is like an old mine shack. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:13 And most of the people there, what do they do?

Shane Gillis 1:15 Uh, I think when the mines closed, because it was an old copper mine, uh, they all, like hippies from California moved in there, so it's like a real artsy, artsy town.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Is he like the mayor of the town?

Shane Gillis 1:27 Yeah, pretty much.

Joe Rogan 1:28 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:29 Although I think all he does is... I could be wrong. Maybe his routine changed during COVID. I, in fact, I know it did. Uh, but they...

Joe Rogan 1:37 Look at your nose.

Shane Gillis 1:39 (laughs) Yeah, that was it. Uh, he would just go to the grocery store and come back. That was his...

Joe Rogan 1:45 That's it?

Shane Gillis 1:46 That was it.

Joe Rogan 1:48 That's it?

Shane Gillis 1:49 That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Just make sure he's got enough money in the bank?

Shane Gillis 1:51 Yeah, talk shit, do podcasts, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Wow.

Shane Gillis 1:54 Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. But yeah, like I said, every once in a while, he'd get a couple drinks and be like, "Look at you."

Joe Rogan 2:01 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 2:01 (laughs) Like, we'd be hanging out and out of nowhere he'd be like, "You're fat." I'd be like, "All right man, what the fuck, dude?"

Joe Rogan 2:06 Oh my God. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 2:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:07 That's the hard booze.

Shane Gillis 2:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:09 That's hard booze thinking.

Shane Gillis 2:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:11 People that just drink, like, Bud Lights, they probably don't get that nasty.

Shane Gillis 2:14 No.

Joe Rogan 2:14 It's a slow trickle.

Shane Gillis 2:15 No. Yeah, I got this... This is what my dad... Dad just drinks these all night.

Joe Rogan 2:19 It's not the best flavor.

Shane Gillis 2:21 You're crazy. Couple Bels, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:24 It's okay. It'd probably be real good with, like, crabs.

Shane Gillis 2:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 You know, like some seafood and like a nice light beer.

Shane Gillis 2:31 Drinking outside, it's perfect.

Joe Rogan 2:33 Yeah, real cold.

Shane Gillis 2:34 Yeah, you can't drink, like, Craft or like IPAs outside.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yeah, you can.

Shane Gillis 2:37 I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 2:38 I do.

Shane Gillis 2:39 What the fuck's your problem, man?

Joe Rogan 2:40 I like dark beer.

Shane Gillis 2:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:42 I do.

Shane Gillis 2:43 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 2:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like stouts.

Shane Gillis 2:43 Well, you work out. You're in shape and shit.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Yeah, but that's not why I like it.

Shane Gillis 2:46 If I start... Yeah, I know, but if I start crushing IPAs, I'll, I'll-

Joe Rogan 2:50 Get hammered.

Shane Gillis 2:50 ... balloon, dude.

Joe Rogan 2:51 Yes, good times.

Shane Gillis 2:52 I'll be huge.

Joe Rogan 2:52 Yeah, there you go.

Shane Gillis 2:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:54 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 2:54 If I drink 12 IPAs a night instead of Bud Lights, it'd be a disaster.

Joe Rogan 2:58 That's true, but you wouldn't need 12. You'd need five and you'd have the same effect.

Shane Gillis 3:03 Yeah, but that's why I don't drink li... I try not to drink liquor ever. Like I-

Joe Rogan 3:06 You just-

Shane Gillis 3:07 I'm trying not to get fucking hammered at these places.

Joe Rogan 3:09 You're just trying to, like, keep a steady buzz?

Shane Gillis 3:10 Yeah, because I'll get drunk... I, I had a bad habit of getting hammered at clubs and talking shit.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Whoops. That sounds like a normal comedian. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 3:17 Yeah, it sounds like everyone. Yeah. But then I had, you know, the anxiety the next day, all that. It's like, "What did I say to this person?"

Joe Rogan 3:22 I know. That is the worst.

Shane Gillis 3:24 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:24 That's the worst feeling when you're all drunk together and you're like, "Did I say something stupid?"

Shane Gillis 3:28 You said, "I say wild shit."

Joe Rogan 3:29 And you know s- people said stupid shit to you.

Shane Gillis 3:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:32 So you're like, "Man, was I that guy too?" Yeah.

Shane Gillis 3:34 Yeah, you were.

Joe Rogan 3:36 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 3:36 Definitely. And at the Cellar now, it's like we're all having, like, conversations about, like, race and shit like that, and it's like-

Joe Rogan 3:42 And you might get hammered?

Shane Gillis 3:43 I might get hammered and be like, "Would you guys shut up?"

Joe Rogan 3:46 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 3:46 (laughs) Just wake up the next day like, "Oh, fuck."

Joe Rogan 3:48 Uh, there is nothing worse than comedi- comedians that are virtue signaling.

Shane Gillis 3:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:54 Like around other comedians and trying to establish, like, a way that we should all communicate. And you're like...

Shane Gillis 3:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:00 What the fuck are you saying?

Shane Gillis 4:01 Yeah, it's like, "Why, what are you doing here?"

Joe Rogan 4:01 Are you pretending this is real?

Shane Gillis 4:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Are you pretending this is real?

Shane Gillis 4:03 No, we were all in on this.

Joe Rogan 4:04 We're all-

Shane Gillis 4:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:05 Yeah, we're all in on this. We're all-

Shane Gillis 4:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:06 We're all good people talking mad shit.

Shane Gillis 4:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 There's no bad people here. Just because someone says something ridiculous to make other people laugh, like, yeah, that's what they're doing.

Shane Gillis 4:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:15 We know the game.

Shane Gillis 4:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:17 It's sh- it's like, it, it, it's... They're opportunists. They're opportunists. They've, they find a little, a way to, to claim the moral high ground to be upset at everybody else. But if you're a comedian and you do that, you're a traitor. You know what's going on. You know that these guys are just talking shit. And talking shit is a real thing.

Shane Gillis 4:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:37 It's a thing. It's like, here's my real statement, here's how I really feel about things, here's honesty, here's me, uh, you know, just being vulnerable and truthful, and then here's me talking shit.

Shane Gillis 4:47 Yeah. It's shit.

Joe Rogan 4:47 And what I'm talking...

Shane Gillis 4:48 It is literally sh- it's, it is shit.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Literally shit. Yeah.

Shane Gillis 4:51 It's not real.

Joe Rogan 4:51 No, we're saying ridiculous-

Shane Gillis 4:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:53 ... things to make each other laugh.

Shane Gillis 4:56 I'm gonna get fucked up on this.

Joe Rogan 4:57 Yeah, there you go.

Shane Gillis 4:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:58 Good. So we'll-

Shane Gillis 5:00 I'll start talking shit by the end of this.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Six or seven of these-

Shane Gillis 5:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:02 ... and we'll, we'll have a good buzz going.

Shane Gillis 5:05 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 5:06 It might grow on me. It's not bad. I get the, the idea though. You know, that's... One of the things that I've been reading about, um, lately, I, I'm actually rereading this book by Brian Muraresku on, um, it's called, uh, The Immortality Key. It's all about ancient Greece and how they used to take wine and they had wine laced with all these psychedelic chemicals and that's, you know, the whole Eleusinian Mysteries.

Shane Gillis 5:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Um, but back then everybody used to drink all day. They all had like a s... The alcohol was terrible. Like the wine had like 3% alcohol. The booze had like 3%, like beer was 3%. The one, they didn't know how to make like strong shit-

Shane Gillis 5:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:44 ... like they know how to make today. And everybody was drunk all the time.

Shane Gillis 5:48 Yeah, what else are you gonna do?

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 5:50 Sitting around waiting to get fucking killed by barbarians?

Joe Rogan 5:54 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 5:54 You better get hammered.

Joe Rogan 5:55 And the barbarians are on mushrooms.

Shane Gillis 5:57 Yeah, they're c... (laughs) Yeah, they were.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Yeah. That was the thing. Like the Vikings, they were, they were all on mushrooms.

Shane Gillis 6:01 Were they?

Joe Rogan 6:01 Yeah, they would do mushrooms and go berserking.

Shane Gillis 6:04 Yeah, they would do some bad things. I can't imagine doing those things on mushrooms.

Joe Rogan 6:08 ... yeah, but if you lived back then, you could.

Shane Gillis 6:10 True.

Joe Rogan 6:11 If, like, that was a normal part of everyday life, was cutting people apart, you'd probably wanna be into mushrooms.

Shane Gillis 6:15 Yeah, I guess I'd, I'd take mushrooms and giggle.

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yeah, probably.

Shane Gillis 6:18 You guys would take it and...

Joe Rogan 6:19 But they might've giggled too.

Shane Gillis 6:20 I bet they were giggling.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Yeah, I would imagine.

Shane Gillis 6:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:24 We're lucky. But that's why people complain today, you know? It's like, the... 'cause it's pretty easy. So the things that people complain about, it... they're relatively mild in comparison to the historical record-

Shane Gillis 6:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:36 ... of how fucked up life was.

Shane Gillis 6:37 Yeah. Yeah, it was terrible.

Joe Rogan 6:39 Did you buy that shirt on purpose?

Shane Gillis 6:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:41 Really?

Shane Gillis 6:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:42 So you saw that in a store and you're like, "This is the one."

Shane Gillis 6:44 This is... I saw this shirt, I was like, "That's the drip."

Joe Rogan 6:45 That's it. (laughs)

Narrator 6:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:46 This is the, this is the drip. Gym shorts and a Walmart polo. Do you play golf?

Shane Gillis 6:53 No.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Good for you.

Shane Gillis 6:54 I go drink... I w- I watch my friends play golf. I'll go on the cart. It's fun.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Jamie, do you have a shirt like that? Do you have golf shirts that you wear?

Narrator 7:00 I do, but, uh, not like that. They're not...

Shane Gillis 7:03 They're not as fly as this?

Narrator 7:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:04 (laughs)

Narrator 7:04 Is that what you're saying? I mean... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:06 Dude, it's so funny.

Narrator 7:06 It's like a collection.

Shane Gillis 7:07 I was with Ari at the house and I was like, "I look like a dickhead, right?" He was like, "No, you look fine."

Joe Rogan 7:12 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:12 I knew that he was lying to me, dude.

Joe Rogan 7:13 Is Ari staying at Tim's too?

Shane Gillis 7:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:14 Oh, no.

Shane Gillis 7:15 It's just me and Ari.

Joe Rogan 7:16 Oh my God.

Shane Gillis 7:16 It's just me and that fucking guy.

Joe Rogan 7:18 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:18 Took his dick out already.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Of course he did.

Shane Gillis 7:20 (laughs) Which is fine. Taking your dick out with other people around is funny.

Joe Rogan 7:24 But just with one dude. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:25 But it's just me and him, and I was like, "Dude, who's this joke for, bro? It's just you and me."

Narrator 7:29 (clapping)

Shane Gillis 7:29 It was great. 'Cause we were-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Plus, I guarantee you Tim's got cameras everywhere.

Shane Gillis 7:32 Oh, definitely.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Recording everything.

Shane Gillis 7:34 He's probably watching like, "Yes."

Joe Rogan 7:36 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:36 "Take it out." Oh, it's great.

Joe Rogan 7:37 "Let's go. Let's go."

Shane Gillis 7:38 So we were out, me and Ari were swimming, and I was like, "I bet you I can swim underwater the length of the pool." And he was like, "I bet you can't." So I did it, and then when I got... I was like out of breath, got to the other side, I was like, "Puh," came out and his dick was out.

Joe Rogan 7:51 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:51 He was standing outside of the pool. I was like, "Goddamn it."

Narrator 7:54 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 7:55 I was, like, tired. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:57 (sighs) He's a, he's a wild motherfucker.

Shane Gillis 7:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:59 I mean, that dude lived most of the pandemic in South America.

Shane Gillis 8:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Just moved to South America for a while, didn't know anybody down there, got an Airbnb.

Shane Gillis 8:07 Started doing yoga up there.

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah. Okay.

Shane Gillis 8:09 Yeah, he's cra-... Well, he's all about the... Like, m- me and him don't... We don't share a lot in common. Like, he was walking around, he's like, "We should go hiking. We should do this." I was like, "Dude, shut up. Let's watch SportsCenter and drink." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:21 (laughs) Yeah, he's-

Shane Gillis 8:21 So yeah, he was trying to get me to go down there with him.

Joe Rogan 8:23 He's big on new experiences, like hiking type things-

Shane Gillis 8:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:26 ... going places and traveling.

Shane Gillis 8:28 I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Well, he got real big on travel a few years back where he took, he took, like, three solid months off where he didn't do any comedy. He left his laptop at home. He brought... I think he brought a flip phone and he just traveled, and no one can get in touch with him.

Shane Gillis 8:47 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Didn't he go to, like, China?

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah, he went all over the place. He went all through Asia, stayed in hostels. Like, okay.

Shane Gillis 8:54 Yeah, he likes that. He, he asked me to go to Bonnaroo with him this year. I was like, "Dude, I'm not going to a fucking... It's gonna be 95 degrees with just hippies in tents."

Joe Rogan 9:03 Where's Bonnaroo?

Shane Gillis 9:03 I think Tennessee, right?

Narrator 9:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:06 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 9:07 That's correct.

Joe Rogan 9:07 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 9:07 That's his vibe. I don't like th-

Joe Rogan 9:08 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 9:08 I'm not going to a fucking tent.

Joe Rogan 9:10 Yeah, he likes taking molly and hanging out with weirdos.

Shane Gillis 9:13 I like taking molly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:14 (laughs) And hanging out with weirdos?

Shane Gillis 9:15 Oh, it's great. Yeah. I don't like the weirdos.

Joe Rogan 9:17 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 9:17 In fact, I take molly, I wanna be alone.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 9:20 But yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:21 It's, uh... He's, you know... He's living the life of a free man, you know? I mean, he, like... I don't think I know anybody that values freedom-

Shane Gillis 9:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:29 ... like Va-... that... like Ari does, 'cause he values freedom above... like, freedom from everything. Freedom from the best job in the world. Like, even though standup is the best job in the world, he'll take months off of his schedule. "Not ev-... I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing any podcasts. I'm not doing anything. I'm just gonna wander around." With nobody, by himself.

Shane Gillis 9:47 Yeah. It's not... It's impressive. I don't have that.

Joe Rogan 9:50 It's a weird instinct.

Shane Gillis 9:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:52 You know?

Shane Gillis 9:52 Well, I think it... 'cause it's from, uh, when he was a kid, leaving the whole Jewish thing.

Joe Rogan 9:57 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Shane Gillis 9:57 He's probably... You know.

Joe Rogan 9:58 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 9:58 He's probably accustomed to losing-

Joe Rogan 10:01 Yeah, for-

Shane Gillis 10:01 ... his entire community.

Joe Rogan 10:03 For people who don't know, he lived, uh... What is it? It's not a kibbutz, right? Is that what it was? He lived somewhere in Israel where they, they read the Talmud, like, 12 hours a day.

Shane Gillis 10:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:14 And they, they did chores and he was in, like, a religious retreat.

Shane Gillis 10:17 They're Amish.

Joe Rogan 10:18 Yeah, basically.

Shane Gillis 10:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:19 Jewish Amish. And then, uh, they realized, or he realized, like, "Fuck this." Like, "What am I doing? This is bullshit."

Shane Gillis 10:24 Yeah, the strength that that takes to be like-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Oh my God.

Shane Gillis 10:27 ... "The fuck are we doing?"

Joe Rogan 10:28 Yeah. He... It just takes massive balls.

Shane Gillis 10:30 Yeah. He has those too.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 10:32 Just saw them.

Joe Rogan 10:33 Legitimately.

Shane Gillis 10:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:34 They're, they were like shockingly-

Shane Gillis 10:36 It's good.

Joe Rogan 10:36 ... low hanging.

Shane Gillis 10:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:38 Like, "What's going on there?" (laughs)

Shane Gillis 10:40 Yeah. The shirt's good though.

Joe Rogan 10:43 Yours?

Shane Gillis 10:44 Yeah, this is good-

Joe Rogan 10:44 Okay, I'm fine with it.

Shane Gillis 10:45 This is good stuff.

Joe Rogan 10:45 I'd wear it for a goof.

Shane Gillis 10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:48 I could wear that shirt.

Shane Gillis 10:50 You should.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 10:50 Start wearing golf stuff.

Joe Rogan 10:51 Yeah, why not?

Shane Gillis 10:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:53 People would think, "Oh, I told you he was Republican."

Shane Gillis 10:55 Oh, yeah. True, true.

Joe Rogan 10:56 But look at him.

Narrator 10:56 It matches that hat you like.

Joe Rogan 10:57 Which hat?

Narrator 10:58 The golf hat.

Joe Rogan 10:59 Which one?

Narrator 10:59 The one that Billboard made fun of you for.

Joe Rogan 11:01 Oh, my, my-

Narrator 11:02 The Little Rascals.

Joe Rogan 11:02 ... yeah, Little Rascals hat. Come on.

Narrator 11:03 It's a golf hat.

Joe Rogan 11:03 Is that what it is?

Narrator 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 It's a paper boy hat.

Narrator 11:05 Yeah. It was a golf hat Payne Stewart used to wear all the time.

Shane Gillis 11:07 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 Okay.

Shane Gillis 11:09 Yeah, a Jeff cap, right?

Narrator 11:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:11 Yeah, there you go.

Shane Gillis 11:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:13 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 11:13 My dad wears those.

Joe Rogan 11:14 I like those.

Shane Gillis 11:14 Pretty funny. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:15 Those are my favorite hats. So we all have weird-

Shane Gillis 11:18 Why?

Joe Rogan 11:18 ... tastes. I don't know. I like them. They look good on my fat, round head. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 11:22 Do they?

Joe Rogan 11:23 Yeah, if I had one here, I'd put it on so you could see. He'd be like, "Nice."

Shane Gillis 11:26 Yeah, I'd have to be like... Well, of course I would.

Joe Rogan 11:29 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 11:29 I'm not gonna be like, "You look like a fucking idiot." (laughs) I'm, I'm nervous, dude. Of course I'll be like, "Yeah, everything you do is great."

Joe Rogan 11:35 Don't be nervous. We need more of these. Cheers.

Shane Gillis 11:36 Yeah, true, true.

Narrator 11:37 Man.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Couple more of these. So, are you still living in New York?

Shane Gillis 11:43 I am.

Joe Rogan 11:43 You liking it out there?

Shane Gillis 11:45 I mean, eh, the only thing I like is doing standup, so yes.

Joe Rogan 11:48 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 11:48 That's the only thing I do.

Joe Rogan 11:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 11:50 I just hang out, Uber to the club.

Joe Rogan 11:52 You had some funny shit last night, man.

Shane Gillis 11:54 Go back home. Oh, thank you very much.

Joe Rogan 11:54 It was a lot of fun.

Shane Gillis 11:55 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 11:56 These two nights have been really fun.

Shane Gillis 11:57 Yeah, they've been awesome, man. You too.

Joe Rogan 11:58 It's good.

Shane Gillis 11:58 I've been... It's good. You're still out there swinging like that?

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah, you gotta swing.

Shane Gillis 12:02 Bro.

Joe Rogan 12:03 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 12:03 I was standing in the back with Ari and you started going, and I was looking at him like, "Ooh, (laughs) Joe's gonna get in trouble." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:09 Yeah, you get in trouble.

Shane Gillis 12:10 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 12:10 Yeah, I mean, some people are gonna get mad, but it's comedy, you know?

Shane Gillis 12:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:13 The people that aren't mad are having a great time. I mean, y-... we saw, we just did-

Shane Gillis 12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:18 ... two nights in a row. Everybody's having a great time.And these shows at Vulcan that we've been doing on, uh, Tuesday and Wednesday nights, they sell out, like, instantly.

Shane Gillis 12:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:26 And it's fun.

Shane Gillis 12:27 It's awesome there.

Joe Rogan 12:27 Everybody's enthusiastic. Great crowds.

Shane Gillis 12:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Austin's amazing. I fucking love it here.

Shane Gillis 12:32 Austin is. Austin's, Austin's cool. Uh, the area around there, I don't, I don't like it.

Joe Rogan 12:36 It's a little sketchy.

Shane Gillis 12:37 A lot of homeless people.

Joe Rogan 12:38 Yeah. Well, it's, uh, it's not well regulated.

Shane Gillis 12:41 No.

Joe Rogan 12:42 And, uh, these knuckleheads decided to defund the police, which was a super unwise move. And it, it gets, it's, it gets weird down there.

Shane Gillis 12:50 Yeah. It's like Bonnaroo out there, dude. Everyone's just intense and on drugs.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Yeah. It's, uh... But you know what? Relatively speaking, it's exciting.

Shane Gillis 12:58 Yeah. (laughs) You're excited?

Joe Rogan 12:59 Yeah, yeah.

Shane Gillis 12:59 You got a fucking driver and a bodyguard, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:02 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 13:02 And you do karate. Yeah, it's fun.

Joe Rogan 13:04 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 13:04 I'm walking around just like, "Dude, I'm gonna get fucked up here."

Joe Rogan 13:07 Don't walk around. You're supposed to-

Shane Gillis 13:08 Oh, yeah. You gotta walk around.

Joe Rogan 13:09 You, you get from the parking lot into the structure-

Shane Gillis 13:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:11 ... and then from the structure to the parking lot, and then we vacate the area. That's what you do.

Shane Gillis 13:15 That's (laughs) what you want it?

Joe Rogan 13:16 Yeah. You secure the perimeter of the area-

Shane Gillis 13:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:17 ... with security, and you have-

Shane Gillis 13:18 Yeah, I like doing-

Joe Rogan 13:19 ... a lot of st-

Shane Gillis 13:19 ... comedy in fucking Fallujah.

Joe Rogan 13:21 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 13:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:22 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 13:22 What the fuck, dude? It's part of the fun.

Joe Rogan 13:26 It is fun. It is fun, but-

Shane Gillis 13:28 It is.

Joe Rogan 13:29 ... till it's not. Till it's not, yes. But that's-

Shane Gillis 13:31 One day, somebody's not gonna have fun.

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah, yeah. But that's, like, part of what the fun is. Like-

Shane Gillis 13:35 True.

Joe Rogan 13:35 ... you cannot have light without dark. You cannot have sunshine without rain.

Shane Gillis 13:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:40 If you have sunshine all the time, you have California, and everybody's fucked up.

Shane Gillis 13:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:43 They don't know what to do, 'cause they're baffled, 'cause there's n- they're... It's like someone who stays up for five days in a row. You lose the cycle. There's no cycle.

Shane Gillis 13:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:50 So you get confused. You need a little winter. You need a little sun, you need a little cold. You need a little-

Shane Gillis 13:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:56 ... little bit of everything. You can't just only eat cake, you fuck.

Shane Gillis 14:00 What?

Joe Rogan 14:00 You can't just eat ca-... That's what, like-

Shane Gillis 14:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:01 ... California people are doing. They're just eating cake.

Shane Gillis 14:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:04 You know? Well, even California now, they're recognizing, like, Los Angeles is hitting a massive crime wave.

Shane Gillis 14:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Like, fucking crime is everywhere.

Shane Gillis 14:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:11 I know so many friends who, their apartment's been broken into, their car has been broken into. They've been robbed. So many people are getting robbed there. It's just a totally different situation. And, you know, that makes it more dangerous, but it also makes it more exciting.

Shane Gillis 14:25 Yeah, a little more fun.

Joe Rogan 14:26 A little more fun.

Shane Gillis 14:27 Yeah. Philly's doing that, too.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Like Burr was saying when he did Saturday Night Live-

Shane Gillis 14:31 Philly's is awesome. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:31 ... and, uh, when he did that sketch, or that, uh, opening monologue, rather. And he talked about, uh, what's his name that got punched? The little dude?

Shane Gillis 14:38 Yeah, yeah. The guy from, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:39 Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

Shane Gillis 14:41 ... Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

Joe Rogan 14:41 What the fuck's his name?

Narrator 14:42 Rick Moranis.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Rick Moranis.

Shane Gillis 14:43 Rick Moranis.

Joe Rogan 14:43 And then they, and then they put, he go pu-... They punk, punch Rick Moranis. He goes, "New York's back, baby." (laughs)

Shane Gillis 14:48 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:49 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 14:50 That was a rough one, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 14:51 Rick took one on the chin.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Yeah, he... Out of nowhere, for no reason. Someone just-

Shane Gillis 14:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:54 ... sucker punched him. But that's what happens when you have all those-

Shane Gillis 14:57 They shouldn't have shrunk those fucking kids.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Wah, wah, wah.

Shane Gillis 14:59 That's probably that homeless guy. He probably saw that and was like... (fingers snap)

Joe Rogan 15:00 Maybe. He got mad.

Shane Gillis 15:02 I don't like people playing with my kids.

Joe Rogan 15:03 Right. Probably. It's all this crazy rhetoric. This, uh, white people are terrible rhetoric, where you're just r- allowed to just run up to random whiteys and punch them.

Shane Gillis 15:14 Yeah. That's good, though. Keeps our head on a swivel a little.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Maybe.

Shane Gillis 15:17 It's time for the whiteys to start...

Joe Rogan 15:19 When you're 60 years old and you don't know karate-

Shane Gillis 15:21 (laughs) True.

Joe Rogan 15:22 ... and you're Rick Moranis.

Shane Gillis 15:23 (laughs) That's true.

Joe Rogan 15:23 It's probably not the best.

Shane Gillis 15:24 Just getting leveled.

Joe Rogan 15:25 Yeah. And that, like, that guy's not gonna recover from that well.

Shane Gillis 15:28 No.

Joe Rogan 15:29 You know? He's not Mark Hunt.

Shane Gillis 15:31 Yeah. Yeah. He'll be able to ba-... Rick'll, he'll bounce back. Rick's tough, dude. What do you know about Rick?

Joe Rogan 15:37 You think?

Shane Gillis 15:37 He's got a chin. That's the only thing.

Joe Rogan 15:37 I don't know anything about Rick. I'm just taking a guess. I don't think so. He went down pretty quick.

Shane Gillis 15:42 (laughs) Well, it was a sneak shot there.

Joe Rogan 15:43 It was a sneak shot. That's true. Yeah.

Shane Gillis 15:46 You could see his instincts kick in a little. He did.

Joe Rogan 15:48 Really? You think so? A little covering up?

Shane Gillis 15:50 Yeah, if you watch it close, you'll see Rick.

Joe Rogan 15:52 I thought that was, like, a seizure.

Shane Gillis 15:53 No, he definitely did not.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Oh, okay.

Shane Gillis 15:54 He did not react at all, dude. He got leveled. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:58 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 15:58 A day later-

Joe Rogan 15:59 I hope he's okay.

Shane Gillis 15:59 ... he was like, "What happened?"

Joe Rogan 16:01 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 16:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Tim told me, uh, Dylan told me that he was in, uh, Times Square and he felt like he was being hunted. He's like, "Dude." He goes, "Uh, it's so dangerous there now. It used to be, like, so easy to walk..." Now you're walking through the streets, you feel like a victim.

Shane Gillis 16:14 Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's... Yeah, it's crazy. But I'd just moved there. I moved there, like, a year before COVID started, so.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Oh, really?

Shane Gillis 16:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:22 From where?

Shane Gillis 16:23 Uh, Philly.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Oh, that's where you're from?

Shane Gillis 16:24 Yeah. No, I'm from Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, the middle.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Where'd you start doing standup?

Shane Gillis 16:28 Uh, I, the first open mics I did were at the Harrisburg Comedy Zone.

Joe Rogan 16:32 My parents used to live in Harrisburg.

Shane Gillis 16:34 What?

Joe Rogan 16:34 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 16:35 Yeah, that's where I saw them.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 16:36 Nice.

Joe Rogan 16:37 Yeah, they moved to Harrisburg for a while. They lived in Harrisburg, and they lived, uh, somewhere else out there. There was another, like, real rural area of Pennsylvania. I'm like... People think of Pennsylvania, they think of, uh, Philly. You know? You think of Pennsylvania, you think of Pittsburgh. You think Philly-

Shane Gillis 16:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:52 ... you think cities. You're out there.

Shane Gillis 16:54 No.

Joe Rogan 16:54 You just smell cow shit.

Shane Gillis 16:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:55 And you see deer everywhere.

Shane Gillis 16:56 Lancaster, PA, lot of Amish. Mechanicsburgs, it was white trash. It's getting a little more... It's getting gentrified.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Is it?

Shane Gillis 17:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Well, people were spreading out.

Shane Gillis 17:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:07 You know? I think that's one thing that happened with COVID. People are moving out of cities, you know, in l- ... a lot of places.

Shane Gillis 17:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:12 There's still plenty of people in cities, obviously, but a lot of folks are like, "Do I need to do this? I can work from home."

Shane Gillis 17:18 Yeah. Yeah, that'd be nice. I, I think that's the plan eventually.

Joe Rogan 17:22 For you?

Shane Gillis 17:22 Like, to get good enough at standup to do, like, what Nate Bargatze is doing just living in fucking Tennessee.

Joe Rogan 17:28 Nashville.

Shane Gillis 17:28 Just traveling. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:29 Or you could live out here. This is the move.

Shane Gillis 17:32 I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 17:33 You don't like it out here?

Shane Gillis 17:33 No, I like it. It's fine.

Joe Rogan 17:35 Li-

Shane Gillis 17:35 I, I like, I like the Northeast.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 17:37 I do.

Joe Rogan 17:37 I get it.

Shane Gillis 17:38 And I just got in at the Cellar and all that, so.

Joe Rogan 17:41 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 17:41 D- I wanna do that for a while.

Joe Rogan 17:42 Well, you could always just travel around, too, you know?

Shane Gillis 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 You could always just get a condo and just... I mean, when you're... Like, like, guys like Tim that have places out here they could stay at. Like, I would, I would buy a comedy condo, but I do not trust comedians.

Shane Gillis 17:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:56 Like, for the club, I would have a condo out here where comics could stay, but they will ruin it.

Shane Gillis 18:01 They will ruin it.

Joe Rogan 18:02 They'll punch a hole in the wall and piss on it, and, and then show me-

Shane Gillis 18:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:05 ... a video. I'm like, "What are you doing?" "Come on, man. You're rich."

Shane Gillis 18:09 True.

Joe Rogan 18:09 "Come on, dude."

Shane Gillis 18:10 That's what... I-

Joe Rogan 18:10 The fu- it was funny.

Shane Gillis 18:11 ... swear to God, before I came here, me and Ari were talking about this.

Joe Rogan 18:13 It was funny.

Shane Gillis 18:14 We're staying at Tim's place. We were like, "We should just fucking destroy this house."

Joe Rogan 18:17 That's what I'm saying.

Shane Gillis 18:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:18 And if it's mine, they probably will.

Shane Gillis 18:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 18:21 Yeah, for sure. I would never do that.

Joe Rogan 18:23 Yeah, I know you wouldn't.

Shane Gillis 18:23 Not to you.

Joe Rogan 18:24 But some guys would.

Shane Gillis 18:25 ... some guys might.

Joe Rogan 18:26 Yeah, some guys for sure will.

Shane Gillis 18:27 But they don't know you know fucking karate.

Joe Rogan 18:28 They know.

Shane Gillis 18:28 You could fuck them up.

Joe Rogan 18:29 They don't care.

Shane Gillis 18:30 Just a leg kick?

Joe Rogan 18:30 And then they'll be happy that you s- they'll sue you, and then they'll make even more money.

Shane Gillis 18:34 True.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Uh-

Shane Gillis 18:34 I dare you to fucking leg kick me.

Joe Rogan 18:36 Be like, "All I did was make a video of pissing in a hole in this wall."

Shane Gillis 18:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:39 Whatever.

Shane Gillis 18:40 What's this guy's problem?

Joe Rogan 18:41 Like, tell me he hasn't done that before?

Shane Gillis 18:43 You ever piss in a hole in the wall?

Joe Rogan 18:45 If I had a hole in someone's wall and I was drunk, and it was funny and somebody had a camera, I'd, I'd probably do it.

Shane Gillis 18:49 Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 18:50 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 18:51 (laughs) This is good.

Joe Rogan 18:52 You know? 'Cause you think, you're never gonna get that piss out of the wall.

Shane Gillis 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 18:56 I had a friend that did that. He was at a house party and he got in a fight, and then he went and punched a hole in the wall and threw up in it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:03 (laughs)

Narrator 19:04 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 19:04 John Nunn, what up, bro?

Joe Rogan 19:05 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 19:05 I think he's trying to have a career right now, so... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:08 What's he having a career in?

Shane Gillis 19:09 Uh, I think actually film, he's working, he does.

Joe Rogan 19:12 Oh.

Shane Gillis 19:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:13 We can only hope.

Shane Gillis 19:13 Like you said, yeah, he'll be fine.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 19:15 But that was a good story. I think he got stabbed too at this party.

Joe Rogan 19:17 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Shane Gillis 19:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:18 That's a real party.

Shane Gillis 19:19 Yeah, he had a party.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Phew.

Shane Gillis 19:20 Punching a hole in a wall after losing a fight and throwing up in it.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Have you ever been at a party where a full melee brawl breaks out?

Shane Gillis 19:28 Like, a bunch of... Yeah, yeah, in college.

Joe Rogan 19:30 I was in one in, uh, just when I graduated high school. There was a kid who was, uh, I think it wa- he was from Iran and his family had a lot of money and they had a mansion in Beacon Hill.

Shane Gillis 19:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:42 I think it was in Beacon Hill. I'm trying to remember. Uh, nah, I don't know. But it was somewhere in the Newton, Massachusetts area where they have like, a lot of money and, uh, this kid just invited everybody over to his house. So, all these people that he didn't know.

Shane Gillis 19:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:56 Hundreds of kids were at this guy's party and, uh, this girl, I still to this day can't remember what she did. She either threw a drink in the guy's face or she hit him.

Shane Gillis 20:06 Nice.

Joe Rogan 20:06 I can't remember what happened, but I was there when the first spark started the fire. I was, I, I remember exactly where I was. There was like a, a stair- s- staircase and there was like, this banister, and I was watching it from here and I saw... I don't remem- I think she threw a drink at him, and this dude just fucking uncorks a picture perfect right hand in her face.

Shane Gillis 20:28 A lady?

Joe Rogan 20:29 Bam!

Shane Gillis 20:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:30 Punched her, her head snaps back, she goes out, she falls back and then madness.

Shane Gillis 20:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:37 And then madness and then there's fucking people jumping on people and smashing things and throwing people over stairs and-

Shane Gillis 20:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:44 ... and I'm like, fucking ducking and I make my way out, there's piles of people fi- I'm looking for my friends. It was wild.

Shane Gillis 20:50 Yeah, it wa- well, it was pre-Twitter, that's how they handled things.

Joe Rogan 20:52 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was way pre. This was like, the '80s. It was wild.

Shane Gillis 20:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:57 I'll never forget it. It was just like, all of a sudden you could feel it in the air, like people were just looking to punch people. It's like something happens to people-

Shane Gillis 21:04 Yeah, madness.

Joe Rogan 21:04 ... when, yeah, when there's like a mob mentality thing. Like people were just looking to punch people, like you could tell. People didn't even know any- anybody. They were just looking at you like, "Maybe I'll punch you." Like, "Hey-"

Shane Gillis 21:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:13 "... trying to get outta here."

Shane Gillis 21:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, "Whose side are you on?"

Joe Rogan 21:15 Yeah, "No sides. Mm, get me the fuck outta here."

Shane Gillis 21:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:18 I snuck through it without getting hit and I got outside and friends of mine were like, in piles.

Shane Gillis 21:23 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:24 Just piles of people fighting, random piles of other people.

Shane Gillis 21:26 We got to, uh... The last time it was in high school we got in a group fight. I went to the Catholic high school, the public high school. We, we decided to meet to fight and I guess half their guys didn't show up to the fight, so me and... yeah, we just jumped them.

Joe Rogan 21:39 How many kids?

Shane Gillis 21:41 Uh, it was probably like, we were probably about 20 to 30 deep. They were probably like, 10.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Oh, no. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 21:46 We just beat the fuck out these kids. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:48 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 21:48 My one friend, my one friend Bison did, he was like-

Joe Rogan 21:51 You have a friend named Bison?

Shane Gillis 21:52 Yeah, that's his nickname.

Joe Rogan 21:53 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 21:53 He's gonna be very happy when he hears this. He's a big guy and he was way out of high school. He was like, 24 and he showed up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:58 Oh, no. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 21:59 And he was huge.

Joe Rogan 22:00 What an asshole. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 22:00 He started doing, he started doing wrestling moves to these kids.

Joe Rogan 22:03 Oh, no.

Shane Gillis 22:03 He had to become a lion tamer.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Oh, no.

Shane Gillis 22:04 Put him in the Walls of Jericho.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Jesus Christ.

Shane Gillis 22:08 Kid was crying.

Narrator 22:08 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 22:08 Kid was crying.

Joe Rogan 22:08 Jesus Christ.

Shane Gillis 22:09 He was wonderful, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:10 That's child abuse.

Shane Gillis 22:11 That was, yeah. He should face...

Joe Rogan 22:13 Charges.

Shane Gillis 22:13 He should face charges.

Joe Rogan 22:14 Something.

Shane Gillis 22:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:15 Someone should call his mom at least.

Shane Gillis 22:16 Yeah, but it was funny 'cause a lot of the kids who were like, afraid to fight that were with us, like my friends, were like, kinda hiding. It was at night so they're like, hiding in the dark and then once one kid from the other school went down they'd all swarm and start kicking him. Kicking him in the face and shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:30 Jesus Christ.

Shane Gillis 22:31 Yeah. It was nice.

Joe Rogan 22:32 Mob mentality is real.

Narrator 22:32 That's the Walls of Jericho.

Shane Gillis 22:33 Yes, that's what happened.

Narrator 22:34 I don't know if you knew it but that's what he meant.

Shane Gillis 22:35 Now imagine a 25-year-old man...

Joe Rogan 22:38 Jesus.

Shane Gillis 22:38 ... who is like, 350 pounds.

Joe Rogan 22:40 So Walls... A MMA fighter used the Walls of Jericho to win a match?

Narrator 22:43 It's Chris Jericho, that's his name.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Right, right, right, but-

Narrator 22:45 There you go.

Joe Rogan 22:45 ... who, what MMA fighter used that to win a match?

Narrator 22:48 Oh, no, no, in his fight.

Joe Rogan 22:49 No, no, no. Look.

Narrator 22:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 22:50 See, it says MMA fighter used-

Narrator 22:52 Oh, Jesus Christ, I didn't see. That's what you're saying. Sorry, sorry.

Shane Gillis 22:53 God damn, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Jamie's blowing.

Narrator 22:55 I wasn't looking at the screen.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Who the fuck used that in a fight? If you use that in a... Oh my god, he really did. Look at this.

Narrator 23:02 Whoa.

Shane Gillis 23:04 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 23:06 That works, man. That's tremendous pressure on your back.

Narrator 23:09 Boston Crab.

Joe Rogan 23:09 That's crazy.

Shane Gillis 23:10 Yeah, I saw it happen to a guy, he cried.

Joe Rogan 23:12 So they're calling it a Boston Crab?

Narrator 23:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:14 What is, is that a Boston Crab? Let's see. Dude, you're tagged in that.

Narrator 23:17 I know. That was a long time ago.

Joe Rogan 23:19 That's hilarious. Look, it says Jamie Vernon.

Narrator 23:22 197 weeks ago. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:24 197 weeks ago, wow. Look at that. That seems like it would hurt. Like, legit work.

Narrator 23:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:29 And once someone has your legs in that position and they've got their center of gravity over the, your lower back, you're not really getting outta that. I don't see how to get outta that. Like if you get to that position right there, you're kind of fucked.

Shane Gillis 23:41 Yo, every single younger brother on Earth has had that happen to them.

Joe Rogan 23:45 It's like, you shouldn't ever get to that spot but if someone does get you to that spot... I'm trying to think of how you would get outta that. I don't think there's a clear way outta that because you're, the way your body is bent, like you would have to figure out a way to rotate but you're not gonna rotate with full hold of your legs like that, and then someone leaning on your back and you're trying to turn, you, you're fucked.

Shane Gillis 24:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:08 That might be like, the ultimate finishing move. It's just pain though.

Shane Gillis 24:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:13 The thing about that, it's like, it's not gonna take you out.

Shane Gillis 24:15 That?

Joe Rogan 24:15 It's just gonna hurt.

Shane Gillis 24:16 That could fuck y- that could fuck your spine up, right?

Joe Rogan 24:18 No, I don't think so. I think it just puts your spine in a very bad position where it hurts a lot.

Shane Gillis 24:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Here it is. Is this the same fight or a different one?

Narrator 24:26 Yeah. I think, I think it's the same thing 'cause it just looks like a cleaner video of it.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Oh, yeah.Nope, different guy.

Shane Gillis 24:35 (laughs) Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Different guy. This is another guy doing it.

Narrator 24:37 You sure?

Joe Rogan 24:38 I think so-

Narrator 24:39 Or is he doing the same-

Joe Rogan 24:39 ... because he stuck his tongue out.

Narrator 24:40 I know, I think that guy did it too.

Joe Rogan 24:41 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, no, you're right, you're right. Look at the shorts.

Narrator 24:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:44 Same color shorts. Yep, that's him. He just... They just didn't have the full video. That's crazy that he did that, because once you get into that position, like when someone has both of your legs tucked under the arms like that, I don't know what you're going to be able to do. The... You know what this is? This is a guy who's way better, the guy in the-

Narrator 25:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 ... in the blue. He's way better and the other guy's already done and so he decides-

Shane Gillis 25:06 Yeah, he did a wrestling move to him. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:08 He just decides to have some fun.

Narrator 25:10 (laughs) Great.

Joe Rogan 25:12 He's tapping.

Narrator 25:12 That's great.

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yeah, you have to tap from that. Well, the key is to never let yourself get into that position.

Shane Gillis 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Shout out, shout out to that fella, whoever he is.

Shane Gillis 25:20 Yeah, he should've not gotten in the ring if he-

Narrator 25:23 Jono Miers.

Joe Rogan 25:24 John O'Mears?

Narrator 25:25 Jono, J-O-N-N-O is his first name, Jono.

Joe Rogan 25:28 Jono Miers, yeah. Congratulations, Jono.

Narrator 25:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:32 So that's a Boston crab, or is that the Walls of Jericho? What's the difference?

Narrator 25:35 I think both. I think it's Chris Jericho doing it makes it the Walls of Jericho-

Joe Rogan 25:38 Oh.

Narrator 25:38 ... otherwise it's a Boston crab.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Yeah. Makes sense.

Shane Gillis 25:40 Shout out to the other guy too. Congratulations on reliving the worst thing that's ever happened to you-

Narrator 25:45 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 25:45 ... on a gigantic platform.

Joe Rogan 25:46 (laughs) It's not the worst way to get tapped.

Shane Gillis 25:49 What?

Joe Rogan 25:49 Yeah. No, there's worse ways for sure. Wrist locks.

Shane Gillis 25:55 Oh, yeah, that would be- you'd just like ouch, ouch, ouch.

Joe Rogan 25:56 People get so sad when someone catches them from the wrist lock, like, "Jesus Christ."

Shane Gillis 26:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:00 A wrist lock in an MMA fight is a very embarrassing moment.

Shane Gillis 26:03 Really?

Joe Rogan 26:03 Yeah, it's embarrassing, 'cause it hurts like hell. Like you will tap, but, like-

Shane Gillis 26:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 ... in jujitsu it's like the most embarrassing way to get tapped if somebody gets you in a wrist lock.

Shane Gillis 26:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 26:12 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 26:13 I thought the wa- the most embarrassing is getting tapped by like a girl, right?

Joe Rogan 26:16 That happens. That's-

Shane Gillis 26:17 That... And that happens to everybody that does jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Yep, 100%.

Shane Gillis 26:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Yeah, yeah, if you-

Shane Gillis 26:21 They always show up early and they're like, "I'll be pretty good at this." And then they pair you up with a girl.

Joe Rogan 26:26 Then all of a sudden she's-

Shane Gillis 26:26 And you get fucking tapped.

Joe Rogan 26:27 ... fucking behind your back, just chucking the shit out of you.

Shane Gillis 26:29 Yeah, you're like, "I thought I'd be into this."

Joe Rogan 26:32 It's humiliating. When you find out a woman can kill you, it's very sad. A woman who weighs less than you, who's weaker than you, but she can kill you.

Shane Gillis 26:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Easily.

Shane Gillis 26:40 I don't wanna find out.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Multiple times.

Shane Gillis 26:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:42 Like, Duncan, I got Duncan a, uh, year of jujitsu once for Christmas and, uh, he went to classes and he was doing it with this girl and she was new. She wasn't even... She was, wasn't even an expert.

Shane Gillis 26:53 Oh, they're- they're (laughs) like starting together. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:55 (laughs) They're full starting together. And she was strangling him and I was like, "Oh, Duncan, we gotta work on this."

Shane Gillis 27:00 No. No, just get out of the sport. It's not for you.

Joe Rogan 27:03 He's like, "Dude, she just killed me."

Shane Gillis 27:07 Yeah, you gotta go home.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Yeah. He, he eventually decided it was not for him. He could've stuck with it though. He would've figured it out.

Shane Gillis 27:15 What, and then one day beat a girl?

Joe Rogan 27:17 No, beat guys. You move from girls to guys.

Shane Gillis 27:21 I guess.

Joe Rogan 27:22 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 27:22 Look, I don't, I don't do that stuff.

Joe Rogan 27:23 When I started, there was very few women doing it. Very few. It was really-

Shane Gillis 27:26 I remember-

Joe Rogan 27:27 ... really rare.

Shane Gillis 27:28 ... football when I was a kid. Every, like, when we were very young, there'd be girls.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Wow.

Shane Gillis 27:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:33 That's wild.

Shane Gillis 27:33 I remember that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Those girls are wild.

Shane Gillis 27:35 They were.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Any girl wills- willing to play tackle football with boys-

Shane Gillis 27:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:40 ... holy shit.

Shane Gillis 27:41 And then once, you know, then we all hit puberty and they couldn't.

Joe Rogan 27:43 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 27:44 They couldn't play, but there were some.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Oh.

Shane Gillis 27:45 There was some lingering around. Some giant lesbians.

Joe Rogan 27:48 Did you see... (laughs) Did you see that, uh, giant transgender woman that's playing rugby in Australia?

Shane Gillis 27:54 No, she probably rules.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah. She's, yeah, she's the king.

Shane Gillis 27:57 (laughs) She's the king.

Joe Rogan 27:58 She's the king. She's a 250 pound man.

Shane Gillis 28:01 She's chucking people? She's Simone?

Joe Rogan 28:02 (laughs) Yeah. She's, no, she's a white guy.

Shane Gillis 28:04 No? Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 28:04 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 28:04 She's a white guy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs) You never seen it? Show, show the video. It's... The video is hilarious, because-

Shane Gillis 28:11 It's... They're always so funny.

Joe Rogan 28:13 I don't even know if this person's undergone any transition, because we've gotten to this super preposterous point where you can just say you're a woman, you don't have to do anything. Like, there was a thing about, uh, a woman getting arrested for child molestation.

Shane Gillis 28:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:25 And, uh, the... I'll, I'll send the video, because... I'm gonna, I'm gonna send you this, uh-

Shane Gillis 28:29 That's what teachers should do.

Joe Rogan 28:30 ... Jamie. But no, no, no, you have to see this because this woman has a beard. Yeah, look at that.

Shane Gillis 28:37 Oh, shit, dude.

Narrator 28:37 That is ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 28:37 Look at that. Come on, look at the size of that male human being who is playing rugby against women. I mean, hilarious, right?

Shane Gillis 28:47 Great tits though.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Yeah, really good tits.

Shane Gillis 28:49 Pretty hot. They did good there.

Joe Rogan 28:50 Brand, brand new.

Shane Gillis 28:51 Ah, some nice tits you've got. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yeah, I'm gonna show you... I'm gonna send you this, Jamie. Hold on a second.

Shane Gillis 28:59 Damn, look at the mitts on that lady.

Joe Rogan 29:05 So I just sent to you, Jamie. Yeah, that's a large person to be playing rugby against women. And I w- I would say that that was probably an unfair decision, but who am I just to assist gently-

Shane Gillis 29:19 I'll tell you what-

Joe Rogan 29:20 Look at this. Woman charged after allegedly sexually assaulting Boy Six in Toronto Park. Woman with stubble, a crew cut, the most manly face, like a square jo... That's a fucking male human being. His name is Ruby, Ruby Ebbe. Okay.

Shane Gillis 29:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:41 It's a woman, but look at the co... The, the title.

Shane Gillis 29:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:44 The title says woman.

Shane Gillis 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Should- shouldn't they at least say woman with a penis who, uh, also has a stubble, also has a, a beard? They don't even say anything about the person being transgender. It's so hilarious. We've gone through the wicking, looking glass where everything's nuts. She is charged with sexual interference with a person under the age of 16 and sexual assault. Like...

Narrator 30:08 It... I- is there any small chance that that... They just, like, accidentally put the wrong picture up?

Joe Rogan 30:12 No.

Narrator 30:12 In the... In the article?

Joe Rogan 30:14 What do you think?

Narrator 30:15 Probably not, but it's happened before and they're just like, "Oops, uh, we know. We put the wrong, the wrong, uh..."

Joe Rogan 30:21 What, are you working for the Toronto government?

Narrator 30:22 No!

Joe Rogan 30:22 Look at this fuck.

Narrator 30:23 I'm just asking. I'm just asking.

Joe Rogan 30:25 Look at this fuck.

Shane Gillis 30:25 What's the matter with you?

Narrator 30:25 Just asking.

Joe Rogan 30:26 What is the matter with you?

Narrator 30:27 Just asking a question.

Shane Gillis 30:27 You don't support the six-year-old boy?

Joe Rogan 30:29 (laughs) That's what I'm saying.

Shane Gillis 30:30 What the fuck, man?

Joe Rogan 30:31 Yeah, bro, you, you are a pro molester.

Shane Gillis 30:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:35 ... it's just the fact that they-

Shane Gillis 30:35 I'm sure the teachers-

Joe Rogan 30:36 Oh.

Shane Gillis 30:36 ... the teachers should do that. The, like, the male teachers that get in trouble for hooking up with kids-

Joe Rogan 30:40 Just say they're women.

Shane Gillis 30:40 ... should be like, "I actually identify as a woman."

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah, you get a way lighter sentence.

Shane Gillis 30:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 30:44 That's-

Joe Rogan 30:45 W- Women who molest boys, like, everybody's like, "Hmm, what's happening?"

Narrator 30:48 I re- I retract. I've now Googled the name, I see it everywhere, okay.

Shane Gillis 30:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:52 It's a-

Narrator 30:52 I was just checking.

Joe Rogan 30:53 That looks, if I didn't, if I had to bet guy or girl, I mean, I'm leaning heavily-

Shane Gillis 30:59 On that-

Joe Rogan 30:59 ... towards guy.

Shane Gillis 30:59 On that woman?

Joe Rogan 31:00 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 31:00 On Ruby?

Joe Rogan 31:01 Yeah, on Ruby, the guy, or the girl, the woman.

Shane Gillis 31:03 Eh, I'm gonna take her word for it.

Joe Rogan 31:05 Wow, you're amazing.

Shane Gillis 31:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:06 You're so open-minded.

Shane Gillis 31:07 I don't care what she's-

Joe Rogan 31:08 So progressive.

Shane Gillis 31:08 ... done in the past.

Joe Rogan 31:09 Yeah, right? Like, why should we judge? Walk a mile in her shoes. That's another thing they're trying to do now. They're trying to say that that's an, a sexual orientation and that being a pedophile is actually a-

Shane Gillis 31:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:19 ... sexual orientation. Now, the le- le-

Shane Gillis 31:21 Technically, it is.

Joe Rogan 31:22 I've see- s- I guess, technically-

Shane Gillis 31:24 Technically, it is that. It's just a bad one.

Joe Rogan 31:25 It's the worst one.

Shane Gillis 31:26 It's the worst one you can do.

Joe Rogan 31:27 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 31:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:28 But I've s- I've seen, like, li- we talked about it recently, I saw a professor talking about how a woman, uh, or, uh, a man rather, could have a sexual consenting relationship with a 13-year-old. And I was like, "What in the fuck are you saying?"

Shane Gillis 31:45 Maybe he's a Viking.

Joe Rogan 31:46 Maybe it's a guy with no kids, how about that?

Shane Gillis 31:47 Yeah, yeah, probably.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Yeah, 'cause you have no kids, you think stupid shit because you think some, you think it makes you sound progressive.

Shane Gillis 31:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 31:54 I don't... Eh, that's a tough one to get to, th- through being progressive. It's a tough one.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Yeah. I don't know, man. People can make some fucking weird mental leaps in gymnastics. They, they, they d- can justify some wacky shit.

Shane Gillis 32:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:09 There's also some people that are just a real contrarian. They just want things to be okay, even if they're not okay, so they'll argue for it as an intellectual exercise.

Shane Gillis 32:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 You know?

Shane Gillis 32:18 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 32:19 They do. It's fucking strange.

Shane Gillis 32:21 It, that'd be a tough one to present, though, like, be like, "No, this is how I feel. I think pedophiles..."

Joe Rogan 32:27 You would say that, but we are-

Shane Gillis 32:28 They're all right.

Joe Rogan 32:28 ... so through the looking glass with so many things that really are preposterous, that I'm, I'm not sure if that's the case anymore. You know? Like, the idea that you can't be racist if you're a person of color. It's not possible-

Shane Gillis 32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 ... 'cause race has something to do, it has something to do with power. Like, okay. That's not true. That's-

Shane Gillis 32:46 Yeah, of course.

Joe Rogan 32:47 ... that's not true.

Shane Gillis 32:47 Of course. Yeah, we know that.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 32:49 We know it's not true.

Joe Rogan 32:50 We know-

Shane Gillis 32:50 We've literally-

Joe Rogan 32:50 They know it's not true too.

Shane Gillis 32:51 ... seen it and experienced it.

Joe Rogan 32:52 They know it's not true too.

Shane Gillis 32:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:53 But they're counting on the fact that the people that say this, first of all, they're all people of color, so they're in a protected class, or they're white people who feel extra guilty, so they want you to feel bad. And so, they wanna show you that they're on the side-

Shane Gillis 33:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:08 ... the good side. They're, they're on the side-

Shane Gillis 33:09 They're just-

Joe Rogan 33:09 ... of people that are anti-racist.

Shane Gillis 33:11 The thing about the, the white people, or the people of color can't be racist is because, like, you call a white person, you're like, "Ah, whatever, cracker." We're like, "Ah, whatever."

Joe Rogan 33:19 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 33:19 But they found a loophole, and it's to call us racist.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Oh.

Shane Gillis 33:23 That one hurts.

Joe Rogan 33:24 That does hurt.

Shane Gillis 33:24 That's like R-N word.

Joe Rogan 33:25 That is.

Shane Gillis 33:26 Someone's like, "You're racist." "What did you say about me?"

Joe Rogan 33:29 Oh. It's even worse because it makes you feel guilty.

Shane Gillis 33:31 Sure.

Joe Rogan 33:32 Because if someone calls you a bad word, like, a, a negative stereotype about your race, they're the piece of shit, not you.

Shane Gillis 33:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:38 But if someone calls you a, a racist, now you have to defend yourself-

Shane Gillis 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 ... against being a piece of shit.

Shane Gillis 33:44 Yeah, it's tough. I've been there.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 33:45 It's a tough one to defend against.

Joe Rogan 33:47 What was your experience like with the whole SNL debacle thing? What was that like?

Shane Gillis 33:52 Uh, it's, uh, it was very, very crazy. I don't know. It's tough to... There's not many people that have, you can even talk to about it.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 34:00 You know? 'Cause it, it fucks you up a little. Like, it makes you, like, uh, not trust people and shit for a while.

Joe Rogan 34:07 Like, in what way?

Shane Gillis 34:08 I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. It's, but, uh, back to the main, the experience of it was like, you just, uh, it was kinda surreal 'cause I went from, I was one of the first people to get, like, canceled or however you wanna say it, consequences. However.

Joe Rogan 34:23 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 34:24 However you wanna say it.

Joe Rogan 34:25 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 34:25 Doesn't matter what we call it, it is what it is.

Joe Rogan 34:27 Right.

Shane Gillis 34:27 But, uh, I was one of the first people to go from, I was doing, I was poor. I was not famous at all. I was poor. And then I got canceled immediately. Like, that was my th- like-

Joe Rogan 34:39 Right. You didn't get-

Shane Gillis 34:40 It was a very different experience.

Joe Rogan 34:41 ... famous and then get canceled?

Shane Gillis 34:42 Yeah, most people that get canceled are, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:44 You got canceled on the way-

Shane Gillis 34:46 I got canceled immediately.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 34:47 They, they literally were like, "How about this guy?" And everyone was like, "No."

Joe Rogan 34:51 So, you got cast on SNL?

Shane Gillis 34:53 Yes.

Joe Rogan 34:54 And then what happened?

Shane Gillis 34:55 Um, so I found out I was getting on SNL the day before they announced it. So I got a call, they're like, "Hey, we wanna put you on the cast." The whole time, I was... We'll start from the top.

Joe Rogan 35:09 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 35:09 My, my agents and all those people, they were like, "You're, do you wanna audi- or do you wanna write, do you wanna send a packet in for SNL?" And I was like, "No. I'm not gonna be a writer. I'm never gonna... I won't work on that show." And then I guess they saw me at JFL and Comedy Central thing, and they were like, "We like him, we want him to audition. He can come straight in to audition." So I went straight to the main stage for the audition. And the whole time leading up to it, I was like, "I'm never, I'm never gonna get this. I d- I don't care. I wanna do standup." I kinda hated SNL at that point.

Joe Rogan 35:40 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 35:40 'Cause every ti- every sketch was like... You know, you know what it is.

Joe Rogan 35:44 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 35:45 And then I was like, "I'll never fit in there." And then when we, when you go to audition, it's just, you just wait your turn in a green room, and they keep you there extra long for, like, two or three hours to, like, make you nervous.

Joe Rogan 35:58 Really?

Shane Gillis 35:58 But I knew, I, I was certain I was never gonna get it, and I really wasn't nervous. I was in there fucking dipping, hanging out.

Joe Rogan 36:06 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 36:06 (laughs) And then they were like, "All right, it's your turn to go." But that's when the nerves hit. Like, you walk in and you see the main stage 'cause that's what you audition on is, like, the stage.

Joe Rogan 36:14 Wow.

Shane Gillis 36:15 And it's a totally empty studio. The whole room's empty except for a table of, like, writers and producers and Lorne Michaels. And then you go on, and they're like, "Three, two, go. Do five minutes."

Joe Rogan 36:25 Wow.

Shane Gillis 36:26 In front of just a camera right in front of you.

Joe Rogan 36:27 And are you doing standup?

Shane Gillis 36:28 I did standup.

Joe Rogan 36:30 Wow.

Shane Gillis 36:30 I did five minutes of standup, that's all. And then, uh, I ran into Michael Che that night.... and I was like ... I was so nervous. Like, I was so nervous when I was auditioning that I had to, like, hold the mic against my chin 'cause my hand was-

Joe Rogan 36:42 'Cause you knew it was shaking. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 36:43 ... fucking shaking. It was crazy. There's no one in the room.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Right.

Shane Gillis 36:46 You just have to do stand up for five minutes to no one.

Joe Rogan 36:48 That's so weird.

Shane Gillis 36:49 It was so weir- ... And they ... And you're not supposed to look at or acknowledge the table of writers and producers or whatever.

Joe Rogan 36:54 Why? They have rules?

Shane Gillis 36:56 They have rule ... They have rules that your agents tell you.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Oh.

Shane Gillis 37:00 They never told you any rules.

Joe Rogan 37:01 So your agent says, "Do not look at the writers."

Shane Gillis 37:04 Yeah, they're like, "Don't even acknowledge them. Pretend the room's full. Just go." And everybody was like, "They're never gonna laugh. The table, Lorne, all them, they're not gonna laugh." First thing I said, they all started laughing. And I was like ... I was supposed to not acknowledge them, but, you know, I was doing stand up, so they-

Joe Rogan 37:17 Do you remember what you said?

Shane Gillis 37:20 No, I don't. Genuinely.

Joe Rogan 37:22 You just, just did a bit.

Shane Gillis 37:24 Yeah, I was just ... Yeah, I was ... I was nervous. Uh, but as soon as they started laughing, I was like ... (laughs) And then went back to ... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 37:30 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 37:30 I was, like, looking at them. I ca- I could see they were laughing, and you ... I was told the whole time, "No one's gonna laugh." They were laughing, and I was like, "Oh, fuck, I did pretty good." Ran into Che that night. I was like, "Ah, I sucked. I was nervous." He was like, "No, you were ... That was good." Then, a couple days later, you get a callback, and you go into the office and you meet everybody and you walk around and talk to everybody. And the people I was with that were also doing that ... Then you go into Lorne Michael's office to meet him. So the three people I was with, they all went in, slowly, met him, left. One guy didn't even get invited in. They just sent him home, which is fucked up. They invited him to the callback and then were like, "No, nevermind."

Joe Rogan 38:10 Wow.

Shane Gillis 38:10 And then they kept me there for an extra, like, hour by myself. And I was just sitting there like, "Oh, fuck, I got this." Like, "I'm gonna be on at ..." Like, "This is ... I can't believe I got this." I wasn't even excited. I was just like, "This is wild."

Joe Rogan 38:23 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 38:24 "This is fucking nuts." And then I go in to meet with Lorne, and he's, he's the man. He's a nice guy. And he was like, "I'm gonna use you, but I don't know how." And, like, all that shit. And then time passes, and I figured they were gonna ask me to be a writer, 'cause that's usually how it goes.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 38:41 Usually you work on the show to ex- experience what the show's like. But, I don't know, I didn't want to be a writer.

Joe Rogan 38:48 By all accounts, that place is a den of thieves.

Shane Gillis 38:51 Everybody. Yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 38:52 A den of thieves. You, you hear Jim Brewer's account of the-

Shane Gillis 38:56 I did.

Joe Rogan 38:56 ... the climate in that place.

Shane Gillis 38:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 And it's horrific.

Shane Gillis 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 They're all stealing from writers. They're stealing from performers. If you're a writer and you submit your packages, the, the, the higher-up writers will steal your shit, according to Brewer.

Shane Gillis 39:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:10 If you submit a package, they own that package, even if they don't hire you.

Shane Gillis 39:14 I know that.

Joe Rogan 39:15 So if you have some great premises, but they decided they're just gonna take your premises-

Shane Gillis 39:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:19 ... and not hire you, they, they own all those bits.

Shane Gillis 39:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:22 It's crazy.

Shane Gillis 39:23 I mean, yeah, I don't ... I don't, I don't, I don't care about writing. I didn't want to be a writer.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Right, of course.

Shane Gillis 39:28 So I was like, uh, if ... Even if they offer me the writing thing, I was like, "I d- I don't wanna take it." I think I would've at the time. But anyway, they, they asked me to go straight to cast, so I was like, "Yeah, I'll definitely do that." Lorne calls, says, "Hey, we wanna use you on the show. We're gonna announce it tomorrow." He was like, "Do you have anything, uh, you want us to check out?" Like, they have people that vet you.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Right.

Shane Gillis 39:53 But they, they're not used to people having podcasts.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Right. So they'd have to go through hundreds of hours of shit.

Shane Gillis 39:57 They would. They go through your Facebook, your Instagram, your Twitter.

Joe Rogan 40:00 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 40:01 I d- I was just like, "I'll just delete all that shit. I don't care."

Joe Rogan 40:03 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 40:03 "Delete it all."

Joe Rogan 40:04 Right.

Shane Gillis 40:05 But I was like, "I also have a podcast." And they're like, "Yeah, what's that?" And I was like, "I don't know. I say, like, gay and retard a lot."

Joe Rogan 40:11 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 40:11 (laughs) And they were like ... They were like, "Oh, that's fine. Don't worry about it."

Joe Rogan 40:14 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 40:15 So I was like, "All right. We'll see." And, uh ... So the day they announce it, it's a g- ... It was, it was cool. It was very cool. You hear from everybody you've ever grown up with. They're all like, "Holy shit, we're just, like ... I can't believe you're on this." And then ... So that lasted for about, like, three hours before an article came out that was like, "Here's what this guy says." And it was a clip of me saying some, you know, unsavory stuff.

Joe Rogan 40:39 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 40:39 But-

Joe Rogan 40:40 Talking shit.

Shane Gillis 40:41 It was, it was the one podcast we ever filmed. That's the one they used.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Wow.

Shane Gillis 40:48 And it just happened to ... And it was funny too, 'cause people were like, "Man, they really had to dig to find this." I was like, "Eh, it's probably, like, three minutes in." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:54 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 40:55 I was like, "We had one podcast online, and it was three minutes in."

Joe Rogan 40:58 Well-

Shane Gillis 40:59 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 It's what we were saying earlier. That's what podcasts are, and that's what comics do a lot. We talk shit. It doesn't mean you really mean those things.

Shane Gillis 41:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 But the idea today is that talking shit is not real. They want to take out-of-context phrases and sentences that you've used and put them in quotes and make you look like a monster.

Shane Gillis 41:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Cool.

Shane Gillis 41:19 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 41:20 It was only one article that came out?

Shane Gillis 41:22 No, there was a-

Joe Rogan 41:23 Quite a few?

Shane Gillis 41:24 So many articles. I was ... I think I was number one on Twitter for, like, three straight days-

Joe Rogan 41:28 Wow.

Shane Gillis 41:28 ... of just getting fucking eviscerated.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Did you read it all?

Shane Gillis 41:31 Oh, I read all of it.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Oh, no.

Shane Gillis 41:33 Yeah, everybody was like, "Stop reading co-" I still read comments.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Do you?

Shane Gillis 41:35 I read every comment.

Joe Rogan 41:36 Why?

Shane Gillis 41:37 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 41:38 Oh.

Shane Gillis 41:38 It's, it's fucked up. And it's crazy too, 'cause I'll read, like, 90 good ones and then 1 bad one, and like-

Joe Rogan 41:43 The one bad one will fuck you up.

Shane Gillis 41:45 It just depends which one it is.

Joe Rogan 41:47 Right.

Shane Gillis 41:47 You know? I g- I'll get called, like, uh, you know, fat retard constantly. (laughs) I'll be like-

Joe Rogan 41:51 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 41:52 ... "Yeah, whatever. I can, I can walk through that no problem."

Joe Rogan 41:54 Right.

Shane Gillis 41:54 But then there will be one that's like, "He's ner-" Uh, like something, something where they get you, where they, they know you.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Gillis 42:01 Like, "He laughs at his own jokes on every podcast." And it's like, "Oh, fuck."

Joe Rogan 42:05 Do I? Shit.

Shane Gillis 42:06 Shit.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Right.

Shane Gillis 42:07 Anyway. So I get ... All that stuff comes out. And it was funny. This is funny. I went into Lorne's, Lorne Michael's office, and he was talking to- And I was convinced I was getting fired. Like, I knew I was getting fired, 'cause if they didn't get me on that, there's so much more. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:24 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 42:25 So much worse. (laughs) And, uh, so he was talking to me, and he was like, "No, we think we can ..." He's like, "If we just get you to the first episode, like, people will see you're not a piece-of-shit person."

Joe Rogan 42:37 Right.

Shane Gillis 42:37 "Like, just talk." And I was like, "Whatever, I'll d- ... If I just..."... if I get fired here, whatever, I'll just go do Joe Rogan next week and I'll be fine. Anyway, I thought that was funny. No?

Joe Rogan 42:50 What?

Shane Gillis 42:51 I was like, I, I literally-

Joe Rogan 42:52 Is that what you thought?

Shane Gillis 42:53 I literally thought that.

Joe Rogan 42:54 Oh, okay.

Shane Gillis 42:55 Yeah, I thought it would be funny.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Well, it could've been funny.

Shane Gillis 42:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:58 That was booked up, though.

Shane Gillis 42:59 No, (laughs) it was fine. I, it was just funny to truly-

Joe Rogan 43:02 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 43:03 ... that was a conversation I actually had.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Really?

Shane Gillis 43:06 In Lorne Michael's office, in the middle of it.

Joe Rogan 43:08 That's hilarious.

Shane Gillis 43:09 I, it was, I was in pure fucking panic.

Joe Rogan 43:11 Terror?

Shane Gillis 43:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 43:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But-

Joe Rogan 43:15 'Cause I remember somebody contacted me, like to have you on, and I was like, "I don't have any room." Like, for a while-

Shane Gillis 43:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:21 I, I could do like an emergency podcast, but I'm like, "Let him-"

Shane Gillis 43:24 Uh, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:24 ... "let this dude ride this out."

Shane Gillis 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 And then we'll do one eventually."

Shane Gillis 43:27 Truly glad that that did not happen-

Joe Rogan 43:30 It's not-

Shane Gillis 43:30 ... 'cause I would've come in emotional.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 43:32 I would've come in, like guns blazing.

Joe Rogan 43:33 "What's happening to me isn't fair."

Shane Gillis 43:35 Right?

Joe Rogan 43:35 You know? And then, and I never felt that way. Like, the whole time, I was like, "I kinda get it. I get it." When someone gets really canceled, you need perspective.

Shane Gillis 43:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:42 You need... You know what it's like? It's like you need that venom to work its way through your system-

Shane Gillis 43:46 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 43:46 ... and then you develop a, a certain amount of immunity to the actual moment.

Shane Gillis 43:50 Yeah. Absolu-

Joe Rogan 43:53 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 43:54 Yeah. It was, it ended up being a good thing.

Joe Rogan 43:55 So when Lorne pulls you into the office and says, "We just have to get you to the stage."

Shane Gillis 43:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:59 "We just have to get you to an episode." Then what happens?

Shane Gillis 44:02 It just, it just kept, it just kept steamrolling. Like, it never, it didn't dissipate at all. Like, it kept being like, "No, you guys need to fire him."

Joe Rogan 44:09 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 44:09 And I get it, and then-

Joe Rogan 44:10 Because, well, that's where the fun is.

Shane Gillis 44:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:12 The fun in going after someone is not going after someone and then no consequences. That makes them sad.

Shane Gillis 44:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:19 What makes them happy is to then get you fired.

Shane Gillis 44:22 Yeah. And that's, yeah, they did. They did a good job.

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah, good job, everybody.

Shane Gillis 44:27 They got me. (laughs) Yeah, and it's fine. Look, the whole time-

Joe Rogan 44:29 Dude, here's why it's fine. Your sketches that you're doing, what is it, Gillian Keeves?

Shane Gillis 44:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Those are the best fucking comedy sketches that are on the internet right now.

Shane Gillis 44:38 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 44:38 I'm not, I'm not bullshitting. The only thing that's at the same level is Kyle Dunnigan's shit.

Shane Gillis 44:43 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 44:43 Kyle Dunnigan, the shit that he's doing-

Shane Gillis 44:44 Oh, my God, dude.

Joe Rogan 44:45 ... becau- he's got a, a massive advantage with that face swap, though.

Shane Gillis 44:48 And he's so good at fucking impressions.

Joe Rogan 44:50 He's, he's amazing. He's-

Shane Gillis 44:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Have you seen the new thing that Dunnigan is doing? He's do- uh, the, uh, the, the fucking, what is it? The f- he does a Fresh Prince takeoff with Biden. What is it called?

Shane Gillis 45:00 Yeah. Fresh Prince of DC.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Yes.

Shane Gillis 45:02 Or something, Fresh Prez.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Something like that. Fresh Prez.

Shane Gillis 45:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:05 Dude, it's, it's tear-jerking. It's-

Shane Gillis 45:08 Who's Bill Maher?

Joe Rogan 45:09 Oh, my God, it's incredible.

Shane Gillis 45:10 New rule.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 45:11 It just... Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 45:13 And it's, it is something about it that it's almost got like a South Park-esque quality to it.

Shane Gillis 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 Because it looks so fake, but it's obvious... Uh, it's like, it's like these things. Like, look how bad these look.

Shane Gillis 45:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:24 Look at the little tiny hand he holds up for Bill Maher. Like, the face swap thing is amazing. It really is amazing, because he's... Like, look at it, AOC, 'cause it looks so fake. Like you-

Shane Gillis 45:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:37 ... would never believe that that's the real person. So it's comedic, but it, it's also the, the material is brilliant. And you can get away with so much in someone else's voice when everybody knows it's not really that person.

Shane Gillis 45:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:51 It's really one of the most genius platforms ever created.

Shane Gillis 45:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 And he's the master. Him and, him and Kurt Metzger.

Shane Gillis 45:57 Kurt is-

Joe Rogan 45:58 They're incredible.

Shane Gillis 45:58 They're, they're both, yeah. Kurt's-

Joe Rogan 46:00 It's the best shit.

Shane Gillis 46:01 Kurt's like one of my, he's one of my favorite comedians, man.

Joe Rogan 46:03 But the shit you're doing is right up there with that.

Shane Gillis 46:05 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 46:05 It's really fucking funny-

Shane Gillis 46:07 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 46:07 ... man. It's really funny, and it's like something you would never be able to do on SNL.

Shane Gillis 46:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:11 The stuff you guys are doing. How are you financing this stuff?

Shane Gillis 46:14 Uh, I financed half, and then we had a production company that financed half. Eh, I guess.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Th- the Trump one was amazing, the Trump speed dating. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 46:25 (laughs) Yeah, it's John McKeever, he's Keeves, he's incredible.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 46:30 Writer, director, he writes all these edits, makes them, he's...

Joe Rogan 46:34 They're really good, man.

Shane Gillis 46:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:36 They're really good.

Shane Gillis 46:36 Damn, I spazzed on that SNL story.

Joe Rogan 46:39 No, you didn't at all. How do you spaz?

Shane Gillis 46:40 I felt like it came out bad.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Why'd you spaz? No, no, no. Look, it's an awkward story.

Shane Gillis 46:44 It is. And I don't-

Joe Rogan 46:45 You know?

Shane Gillis 46:45 But it's always... Here's what's uncomfortable about it, is I don't wanna sound like... 'Cause it's weird for me to rail against cancel culture, 'cause I was a, a victim of it, for lack of a better word. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 46:56 Why is it weird for you to rail against it?

Shane Gillis 46:58 I don't know. I don't know, I just, it, it makes-

Joe Rogan 47:00 'Cause it seems defensive?

Shane Gillis 47:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:02 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 47:02 Yeah. I'd rather just be like, look, if people bring up cancel culture, I'm just like... that happens.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Honestly, I really believe it's better for you in the long run. I really do. You're a brilliant comedian, and I think your sketches are incredible. And I think it's better that you not get attached to something-

Shane Gillis 47:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:15 ... that's ultimately corrupting.

Shane Gillis 47:17 And I don't wanna be on the other side of it, where it's like, "I'm a free speech guy, I'm a fucking this." It's like, dude, I don't wanna be involved in any of this.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Right.

Shane Gillis 47:25 I just wanna do comedy.

Joe Rogan 47:26 The free speech thing should be... It, it should just be uniform. Everyone who's involved in creative endeavors should understand context and nuance.

Shane Gillis 47:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:36 And when they don't, they're either being disingenuous or they're stupid. It's one of two things. Either you, you don't agree with someone talking shit, which is fine. Maybe you don't like talking shit 'cause you're a more serious person.

Shane Gillis 47:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:49 And you-

Shane Gillis 47:50 In which case, comedy is the right venue for you.

Joe Rogan 47:52 This is... But you should-

Shane Gillis 47:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... it's not the right, right? But you should also understand, you know what people are doing. And if you don't know what people are doing, you're, you're either an idiot or you're an asshole. You're either purposely trying to ignore subtlety-

Shane Gillis 48:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:08 ... and nuance, and the fact that there's context to what people are doing, and joking around. Joking around is a real thing. And how come you can joke around about all sorts of stuff-

Shane Gillis 48:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:18 ... but you can't joke around about race? Like, why not?

Shane Gillis 48:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:21 How come? Why does that make you bad? You can joke around about women, you can joke around about men, you can joke around about your dick, you can joke around about anal sex-

Shane Gillis 48:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:30 ... you can joke around about drugs. You can't joke around about race. That's nonsense.

Shane Gillis 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 We're just so oversensitive and we're so worried about being called out for stuff. That's why everybody is so scary.

Shane Gillis 48:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:41 They're like, " (gasps) "

Shane Gillis 48:42 Yeah, people get very afraid of getting called out. And-

Joe Rogan 48:44 And very afraid of not calling out someone else, because then silence is violence.

Shane Gillis 48:49 True.... true. You just gotta take a second. Like, don't get caught up in it. Like, uh, like if I see other people fuck up and say something crazy, even still my first reaction is like, "Whoa, what the fuck were they thinking?"

Joe Rogan 49:02 Right.

Shane Gillis 49:02 And then 20 minutes, 30 minutes later I'll be like, "All right, he was fucking around." I get it.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 49:06 But it's still, there's still that instinct. And then especially if you just see a clip and it's wild-

Joe Rogan 49:11 Right.

Shane Gillis 49:12 ... you're gonna be like, "What the fuck was that?"

Joe Rogan 49:14 Like the Tony Hinchcliffe thing.

Shane Gillis 49:15 Tony, Ari, all of us. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:17 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Shane Gillis 49:18 And every time you see it, the first time I... Tony's a perfect example. First time I saw it, I was like, "Whoa, what the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 49:25 Right. But then you see the whole video and you go-

Shane Gillis 49:27 See the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 49:27 ... "Oh, I see what he's doing."

Shane Gillis 49:28 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 49:28 And then you realize that guy opened for Tony, and you're like, "Oh."

Shane Gillis 49:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:32 He was... And he, he did kill Tony multiple times. You're like, "Oh, they're friends." That's just how people do it.

Shane Gillis 49:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:39 But people outside of our world don't understand. If someone, you know, if you introduce someone and they go on stage and they say, "Thank you. Give it up for Shane, that fucking loser, that fat drunk."

Shane Gillis 49:53 (laughs) Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck, dude? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:54 And you're like, "Hey, bro, what the fuck?" That's what people do. That's what we do as comics. And, e- we fuck around. It's talking shit. And that's what Tony was doing. And it was real clear if you saw his whole set-

Shane Gillis 50:06 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 50:07 ... that not only was he fucking around, but it actually worked.

Shane Gillis 50:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Like, it got laughs. And it got laughs because the guy's whole set before him was talking about white people being mean to Asians.

Shane Gillis 50:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:18 And he had this whole pandering thing. It was like, "What I would really ask is please stop being mean to us." Or s- you know, I'm paraphrasing.

Shane Gillis 50:24 Sure.

Joe Rogan 50:24 Whatever it was. And then Tony goes on right afterwards and says that horrible shit.

Shane Gillis 50:27 And says the worst things he could.

Joe Rogan 50:28 And it's funny.

Shane Gillis 50:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:30 That's why people laughed. It's not-

Shane Gillis 50:31 That's it.

Joe Rogan 50:31 It's not like a, a racist convention at Vulcan Gas Company.

Shane Gillis 50:35 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 50:36 No.

Shane Gillis 50:36 True. I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 50:37 It's comedy.

Shane Gillis 50:37 That's all it is.

Joe Rogan 50:38 It's comedy.

Shane Gillis 50:39 It was comedy.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Yeah. And maybe it's not your kind of comedy. That's okay, too. But don't pretend that's his real thoughts.

Shane Gillis 50:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:44 Like, that's, that's ridiculous. This is, uh, the thing about joking around. It's like, it can be weaponized. It can be weaponized against you.

Shane Gillis 50:52 I had people coming to shows, recording my sets, and then typing them out.

Joe Rogan 50:57 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 50:58 As if they were real.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Yeah. Well, I do that bit. I don't know if you saw.

Shane Gillis 51:00 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:01 The bit that I do about what happened when I was a- when I endorsed Bernie Sanders, where people were taking small pieces of standup bits and taking them out of context-

Shane Gillis 51:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:10 ... and using them to show what a piece of shit I am.

Shane Gillis 51:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:15 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 51:15 It's like, here's a joke.

Joe Rogan 51:16 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 51:16 Clearly. And if you, if you type out someone's standup or podcast-

Joe Rogan 51:21 Oh. Especially a segment of it.

Shane Gillis 51:23 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Just take the worst parts, you know.

Shane Gillis 51:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:25 Yeah, it's, it's, uh...

Shane Gillis 51:27 It's intentional. It's just inten-

Joe Rogan 51:29 They're all-

Shane Gillis 51:29 It's just they're trying to get clicks.

Joe Rogan 51:30 They're-

Shane Gillis 51:30 I don't even think half of them care.

Joe Rogan 51:32 They're cunts. They care. They're all cunts.

Shane Gillis 51:34 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 51:34 Anybody who's doing that is a cunt. Yeah. They know what they're doing. They're taking things out of context.

Shane Gillis 51:39 Oh, they do. They do know what they're doing, but I- but I don't think... What I meant to say is they don't care.

Joe Rogan 51:41 It's deceptive.

Shane Gillis 51:41 I meant to say they, they, they're not hurt by it.

Joe Rogan 51:43 No.

Shane Gillis 51:43 They're literally just like, "Look at this, look at this."

Joe Rogan 51:45 Oh, yeah.

Shane Gillis 51:45 Like, "Here's wild shit."

Joe Rogan 51:46 No, they're not hurt by what-

Shane Gillis 51:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:47 ... what you're saying. No, they know what they're doing.

Shane Gillis 51:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:50 What they're doing is they're intentionally taking something out of context and they're trying to make it something that it's not. There's a lot of a- r- there's a lot of range in when people are saying things. They don't, they don't necessarily... They're not trying to offend.

Shane Gillis 52:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:06 You know, when you're saying something in the context of comedy-

Shane Gillis 52:08 What, what, what type of comedian would ever try to offend?

Joe Rogan 52:10 ... try to offend.

Shane Gillis 52:10 ... really would be like, "All right, I'm gonna go out there tonight and really say the worst thing I can think of to these people, and I don't fucking like them."

Joe Rogan 52:16 A guy who's gonna fail. A failure.

Shane Gillis 52:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:18 Yeah, those, those comics that fail. Well, that... Patrice always had the very best line about all this stuff. He said, "If you think something is really funny or if you think something is offensive, it comes from the same place."

Shane Gillis 52:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 "A guy's just trying to... He's just trying to have a bit, work on stage and get laughs. That's what they're doing." And you never... For people who don't know, when we create standup, we really don't know if something is gonna be funny. There's many times where you have an idea and you're like, "Fuck, I hope this works."

Shane Gillis 52:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:43 And you go up there and you sw- And every now and then, it does.

Shane Gillis 52:46 Yeah. And when it doesn't work...

Joe Rogan 52:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 52:49 You gotta go... At the... Sometimes... If you say something fucked up and it doesn't work, you gotta be like, "All right. My bad, everybody."

Joe Rogan 52:55 Yeah. I've many times said-

Shane Gillis 52:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:56 ... "Well, that's the last time I'll, I'll ever say that one again."

Shane Gillis 52:58 Yeah, of course. And then you say it tomorrow.

Joe Rogan 52:59 Yeah, in a different way. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 53:00 Yeah, like, "All right, this crowd likes it, you motherfuckers. I knew last night it was fucking pussies."

Joe Rogan 53:04 So they don't fire you at first.

Shane Gillis 53:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:06 But then it keeps piling on.

Shane Gillis 53:09 Yeah, it just... It, it was only like four days. But the whole time, I knew I was getting fucking crushed.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 53:14 Oh, and they make you... You have to put out a statement. So they were like... And this was like within hours.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Who makes you? SNL?

Shane Gillis 53:22 NBC asked me to put out a statement, and the statement they send you is just fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 53:26 They wrote a statement for you.

Shane Gillis 53:28 They were like, "Here's what you gotta say. It was inexcusable. You gotta say all this stuff."

Joe Rogan 53:31 Wow.

Shane Gillis 53:32 And I was just like...

Joe Rogan 53:33 Did you write it? Did you, did you put it out?

Shane Gillis 53:34 No, my statement was bad, though.

Joe Rogan 53:36 What'd you say?

Shane Gillis 53:37 It's all right. Let me, let me give you some context here.

Joe Rogan 53:39 Okay. (laughs)

Shane Gillis 53:39 'Cause it was... Hold on. One more. One more. I'm gonna have four more after that said I was gonna do your podcast joke.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Oh, sorry about that. I wasn't sure-

Shane Gillis 53:51 God damn, dude.

Joe Rogan 53:51 I thought that was going somewhere else.

Shane Gillis 53:52 That thing's been in my head for fucking five minutes or however long it's been.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Really?

Shane Gillis 53:55 You know what they say with Private Ryan when he gets the ringing in his ears?

Joe Rogan 53:58 Oh, sorry. I thought there was more to it. I was just like-

Shane Gillis 54:00 (laughs) God damn.

Joe Rogan 54:00 ... letting it hang there in the air. I wasn't-

Shane Gillis 54:01 Dude, I like felt my face go flush. I was like, "Oh, fuck. I blew it."

Joe Rogan 54:05 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 54:06 Dude, go back and watch the tape on that. That's gonna be rough.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Well, I'm sorry I didn't give you enough. I was just hanging there.

Shane Gillis 54:12 No, no, no. I just thought it was... It was just funny how confident I was at the time of just like, "I don't give a fuck, man. I'll go do Joe Rogan." (laughs) And the call never came in. I was like, "Fuck, dude. I'm fucked." I was doing podcasts for a while being like, "Rogan, help." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:25 Oh, were you really?

Shane Gillis 54:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Damn. That's one thing about me not paying attention to anything.

Shane Gillis 54:29 No, it just... I mean, I was just joking, obviously.

Joe Rogan 54:31 That shit doesn't get back to me.

Shane Gillis 54:31 I never felt like I was entitled to anything like that. But it was fun to go on podcasts and be like, "Saint Rogies, help, dude."

Joe Rogan 54:37 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 54:38 We pray to Saint Rogies, dude. Descend and save me.

Joe Rogan 54:40 You gotta kind of just go through these things, you know? That's-

Shane Gillis 54:43 I agree.

Joe Rogan 54:44 And, and the, uh... In the end, one of the things that you and I have been talking about is that it made you stronger. It really did, right?

Shane Gillis 54:50 Yeah. Definitely.

Joe Rogan 54:51 ... made your stand-up stronger.

Shane Gillis 54:52 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 54:53 Like, when people hear you, and I, I heard it last night when they, they introduce you, and Tuesday night too.

Shane Gillis 54:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:59 People go shithouse. They get nuts.

Shane Gillis 55:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:01 They're happier there.

Shane Gillis 55:02 But for a while, what happens the first, like, couple weeks or d- I was in New York too, so people are very-

Joe Rogan 55:09 Very uptight.

Shane Gillis 55:10 ... very uptight. And you go on stage, and then it's just in your head. Like, you see people, like, whisper to each other, and you're like, "He's telling her who I am."

Joe Rogan 55:18 Right.

Shane Gillis 55:18 "She's gonna be m-" Like, everything you see.

Joe Rogan 55:21 And you see the girl's face change, like, "Oh, racist."

Shane Gillis 55:23 Yeah. And I, I mean, I was having dreams about fucking comments.

Joe Rogan 55:26 (sighs)

Shane Gillis 55:27 I was having, like... Dude, it was, it was crazy. I'd have a dream about comments or, like, tweets about the worst secrets of my entire life being out there.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Wow.

Shane Gillis 55:38 'Cause that's what happens. People, like, post pictures of your family house-

Joe Rogan 55:40 Right.

Shane Gillis 55:41 ... your family's li- You get people getting death threat-

Joe Rogan 55:43 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 55:43 You know? My family's getting letters from fucking dudes.

Joe Rogan 55:46 Ugh.

Shane Gillis 55:47 It's like, "We're gonna kill you." And my family has no idea, like, what this is.

Joe Rogan 55:51 Right, right, right.

Shane Gillis 55:52 They're like, "We're getting death th-" I was like, "Death threats are nothing. Don't worry, you're gonna be fine."

Joe Rogan 55:55 (sighs)

Shane Gillis 55:55 But, like, they're just in Mechanicsburg.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Right.

Shane Gillis 55:59 Chilling.

Joe Rogan 55:59 Fuck. Wow.

Shane Gillis 56:01 And this was the first thing they were, like, proud of. You know, my parents-

Joe Rogan 56:05 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 56:05 ... they don't know shit. I'm like, "I got JFL." They're like, "What the fuck is that?"

Joe Rogan 56:08 Right.

Shane Gillis 56:08 "I got this, I got this." And they're like, um... But then when you say like, "I'm on SNL," they're like, "Finally, we can be proud of this loser."

Joe Rogan 56:16 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 56:16 (laughs) And then, like, four days later, the whole world's like, "Your son's a racist piece of shit."

Joe Rogan 56:20 Oh my God.

Shane Gillis 56:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 56:23 Oh my God. So-

Shane Gillis 56:24 That's who I felt bad for.

Joe Rogan 56:25 So, it lasts for four days.

Shane Gillis 56:29 Four days.

Joe Rogan 56:30 You put out this statement. What does the statement say, roughly?

Shane Gillis 56:32 All right. So they send you, they're like, "Hey, you need to apologize right now. You need to apologize." And I was like, "Can I just not apologize, please?"

Joe Rogan 56:40 (sighs)

Shane Gillis 56:40 Like, that's how this gets passed.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 56:42 If we say nothing.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 56:44 If we start interacting with this at all, I'm fucked. I'm dead.

Joe Rogan 56:47 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 56:48 So, I didn't know an NBC producer was on this group text I was in. I just got it from, like, an agent that was like, "You need to apologize." I was like, "Fuck them. I'm not fucking apologizing." I had no idea NBC was in the group text. So it made me look like I was a baller, but-

Joe Rogan 57:04 (gasps)

Shane Gillis 57:05 ... as soon as I was like, "Oh, fuck." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:07 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 57:07 I'm looking at my phone like, "Fuck, fuck, fuck, dude, I'm fucked." (laughs) I mean, it was pure panic.

Joe Rogan 57:12 Oh my God.

Shane Gillis 57:13 It was pure panic. And this, again, I'm going from zero, like, no one knows who I am at all-

Joe Rogan 57:16 Right.

Shane Gillis 57:17 ... to, like, the whole world is... I mean, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 57:21 And then, uh, so they asked me to put out a statement. I'm like, "Fuck no, I can't do that." It was a ridiculous statement, inexcusable, growth, all that shit.

Joe Rogan 57:29 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 57:30 That's just wild.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 57:32 And, uh, I talked to some comedians, and they were like, "How are you gonna do stand-up again if you say this? Like, how are you gonna be able to go do comedy having just said, 'Everything I said was inexcusable'? From now on, everything you said is-"

Joe Rogan 57:48 Inexcusable.

Shane Gillis 57:48 You know what I mean? It's just disgusting.

Joe Rogan 57:50 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 57:50 "Everything you've done, you regret."

Joe Rogan 57:51 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 57:51 "And it's disgusting." And then I talked to Lorne. Lorne called, and he was like, "Just give me something. Give me anything." Because I told him I couldn't do that. I was like, "I can't do the sorry inexcusable thing." And he was like, "Just give me something, but I need it in the next 10 minutes."

Joe Rogan 58:08 Whoa.

Shane Gillis 58:09 So I had fucking 10 minutes to write this thing.

Joe Rogan 58:11 Oh my God.

Shane Gillis 58:12 So I'm sitting there. I mean, it's raining out. I was at the, I was at The Stand in New York. I was like, trying to do standup. So I go in, and he's like, uh, or my manager was like, "Just say you're a comedian that pushes boundaries and sometimes-..."

Joe Rogan 58:25 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 58:25 So my first thing I tweet out was like, "I'm a comedian that pushes boundaries."

Joe Rogan 58:29 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 58:30 Like, "Fuck, that's so lame, dude. Goddamn it, I blew it."

Joe Rogan 58:33 (sighs)

Shane Gillis 58:34 Uh, but yeah, I was like, "Sorry to anybody that's actually offended. That was never my thing." 'Cause I didn't think anyone was actually offended.

Joe Rogan 58:41 They probably really weren't.

Shane Gillis 58:43 Almost no one.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Well, there was a few. I-

Shane Gillis 58:44 Of course, there are people that saw it that were like, "This bums me out-"

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 58:47 "... that this word's getting thrown around."

Joe Rogan 58:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 58:49 You know?

Joe Rogan 58:50 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 58:50 And I get that. And I do, I am sorry for that.

Joe Rogan 58:52 Yeah. No, I believe you are. Yeah. Because that's not the way you meant to do it in the context.

Shane Gillis 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Again, it's a thing that people do. They're just talking shit. It's not real. It's like you're saying something inappropriate on purpose.

Shane Gillis 59:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:07 And the, the only way you can do that is if the other person knows you're not racist.

Shane Gillis 59:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:12 That's why it works. It works 'cause you're saying something that's ridiculous. I'm like, "What the fuck are you saying?"

Shane Gillis 59:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 59:17 We're doing a podcast for 500 people.

Joe Rogan 59:20 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 59:20 That's who, that's how many people are listening to this thing.

Joe Rogan 59:22 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 59:23 W- me and him, we- me and my friend Matt, Matt McCusker. What up, bro?

Joe Rogan 59:27 What up, bro?

Shane Gillis 59:27 I can't believe it took this long to shout him out. Uh, you would like Matt.

Joe Rogan 59:31 I'm sure.

Shane Gillis 59:32 You guys are the same guy.

Joe Rogan 59:34 Really?

Shane Gillis 59:34 Yes. Everything you've said to me this week, I've heard from Matt.

Joe Rogan 59:39 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 59:39 Like, dude, every single thing.

Joe Rogan 59:41 Really?

Shane Gillis 59:41 Yeah. Like, "You know humans were supposed to be like this? Like, you know we're supposed to be out gathering!" Like, all that shit.

Joe Rogan 59:47 That's funny.

Shane Gillis 59:47 Matt. Um, what the fuck was I saying?

Joe Rogan 59:52 Uh...

Shane Gillis 59:53 Who cares?

Joe Rogan 59:54 You were at your statement.

Shane Gillis 59:55 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:56 10 minutes.

Shane Gillis 59:56 Statement, I had 10 minutes. I put this thing together. It's okay, but it, it's one of those things where it's like you're caught up in this moment of like, this is huge, you're emotional. And then in a couple y- like, you know, it's, you're gonna be embarrassed. Don't ever apologize.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:00:13 That's what I'm saying. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 You can apologize for hurting people's feelings.

Shane Gillis 1:00:16 Oh, for hurting people's feelings, certainly, but-

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 You can still apologize for things you said that-

Shane Gillis 1:00:19 Don't issue a statement.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Yeah. The, the problem was those statements are so grandiose too. It's like, people... Like, when Jimmy Kimmel made a statement about doing blackface in the '90s.

Shane Gillis 1:00:28 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 I was like, "Oh, Jimmy."

Shane Gillis 1:00:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Everybody knows. They know that you were just doing Carl Malone. They know you're not racist. Like, this, you're appeasing to the worst humans.

Shane Gillis 1:00:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 That's the problem, is the people that want you to apologize for that stuff, they're all sanctimonious shitheads who are just trying to take people down. It's not, there's... They're not really thinking you're a bad person. No reasonable human being thinks Jimmy Kimmel's a bad person-

Shane Gillis 1:00:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 ... or a racist. That's ridiculous.

Shane Gillis 1:00:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 They're looking for targets. They're looking for... They got a bag of rocks, and they're looking at windows.

Shane Gillis 1:01:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 That's what it is.

Shane Gillis 1:01:07 ... and yeah, it's fun.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Yeah, it's fun.

Shane Gillis 1:01:09 It's fun to watch someone get fucking crushed.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Oh, yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:01:11 That's what people like.

Joe Rogan 1:01:12 It's, I like watching car accidents.

Shane Gillis 1:01:14 Uh, yeah. All the time. I wi- I watch, yeah, the worst things possible. I watch that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 1:01:19 And on Twitter when s- even today, even after it happened to me, I'll see it happening to someone else and be like, "Aah." It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 It is. But, you know, we were talking about Tony. When Tony goes on stage now, I'm telling you, the round of applause this fucking guy gets is, like, double what used to happen.

Shane Gillis 1:01:37 Yeah. It's your fans-

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 They cheer.

Shane Gillis 1:01:38 It's fans reassuring you-

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 Yes.

Shane Gillis 1:01:40 ... "We like you."

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 Yes.

Shane Gillis 1:01:41 "We know what you did wasn't... That wasn't you."

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Right.

Shane Gillis 1:01:44 Like, "We know that."

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 "You know, we know it's just, you're just-

Shane Gillis 1:01:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 ... doing comedy. You're fucking around."

Shane Gillis 1:01:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 And it mightn't, might've been the wrong thing to say at the time, but he probably had about five seconds to think about what he was gonna say as he was walking to the stage and said-

Shane Gillis 1:01:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 ... "I'm gonna f- light these people up."

Shane Gillis 1:01:58 Yeah, I, I like to think about, like, Tony right before he went on, like, looking at someone like, "Watch this."

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 1:02:03 (laughs) Going on and just... Just like, "What the fuck was that?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 It ruined his life, ruining his life for a full week.

Shane Gillis 1:02:10 Yeah, yeah. No, mine w- mine was for a couple months.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Hmm.

Shane Gillis 1:02:14 I got fucking drilled by that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Hmm.

Shane Gillis 1:02:16 But, yeah, it's just very, it's a very surreal thing.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 How long before you went on stage again?

Shane Gillis 1:02:23 I went on stage that night. I did shows at The Stand.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Wow.

Shane Gillis 1:02:26 Yeah. 'Cause that was the, and that was the only place that I wouldn't have been freaking out.

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Right, right.

Shane Gillis 1:02:32 Like, it was at a comedy club.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Right.

Shane Gillis 1:02:34 Like, I didn't wanna go home and sit in my apartment alone.

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 Oh, yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:02:38 It would've been crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 That's crazy.

Shane Gillis 1:02:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 What was it like the moment you went on stage? Like, knowing all this shit is happening?

Shane Gillis 1:02:43 Place, place went crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 Really?

Shane Gillis 1:02:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 Isn't that wild?

Shane Gillis 1:02:46 'Cause every, well, it was the biggest story at the time.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:02:49 So everyone in the room was like... It was my first, it was the only time I've ever experienced, like, what it must be like to be famous and do standup-

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 1:02:55 ... as, like, a drop-in. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 (laughs)

Shane Gillis 1:02:58 And then after a time... It's funny, 'cause after a time, everybody forgets that, what happened. So then-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yeah. Did you address it?

Shane Gillis 1:03:04 Yeah. That's all I talked about. I mean, it was the, it was happening-

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Yeah, yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:03:07 ... while I was on stage.

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 Fuck.

Shane Gillis 1:03:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 And it happened-

Shane Gillis 1:03:11 It was fun.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 And it lasted for months?

Shane Gillis 1:03:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 How long before they fired you? How many days was it?

Shane Gillis 1:03:15 Four, maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 And so what was the decision? Like, how did they explain it?

Shane Gillis 1:03:21 Uh, I knew, I knew it was... I was the one that was like, "You guys are gonna fire me. Like, it's okay. I get it." I'm not, I wasn't even like, "Fuck them. I should have my job." I was like, "I get it. I said something fucked up. This is a corporation." It's SNL. You can't-

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:03:37 I, I under- Now, if it wasn't me, I'd probably be defending me.

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Of course.

Shane Gillis 1:03:41 But because it was me, I was like, "I said it, whatever. Keep making your fucking show."

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:03:48 I don't know. I don't know how to d- describe it. It's weird.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 (sighs)

Shane Gillis 1:03:54 It's weird defending yourself. I don't know. Maybe I gotta improve my self-worth. (smacks lips) You know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 No. You know, I think ultimately, look, life is filled with these weird trials and moments of revelation and, and ways you understand things. And the best way to understand consequences is to really have a moment where the walls come tumbling down. And when you come out on the other end and you don't think you're ever going to, 'cause there had to be times-

Shane Gillis 1:04:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 ... where you didn't think you were gonna come out on the other end.

Shane Gillis 1:04:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 But when you do, you just, like, there's a, a feeling of levity. It's lifted off of you.

Shane Gillis 1:04:32 For sure. For sure, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 It's also the em- the embracing of the importance of stand-up comedy, like, the real, raw-

Shane Gillis 1:04:42 Oh, that was the best.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 ... nightclub stand-up.

Shane Gillis 1:04:43 Oh, that was the best. That was... There's been two times I've, like, loved stand-up comedy. One was I, I went through a breakup after a long time, and I was fucking devastated. I dated this girl for, like, six years, and then I went and did stand-up that night and, like, almost cried.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Wow.

Shane Gillis 1:04:58 Like, I, just 'cause it was the first time I was happy-

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Oh, yeah.

Shane Gillis 1:05:01 ... after going through a breakup, and I was like, "Damn, I love this." Same thing with that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Mm-hmm.

Shane Gillis 1:05:06 Like, while you're getting fucking crushed by everybody, you can go out and do stand-up, and people are like, "Aah." It's like, "You guys liked me."

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Yeah, it's-

Shane Gillis 1:05:13 "Everyone else hates me."

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 It's a wild art form, man.

Shane Gillis 1:05:15 It's fun.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 It's so, it's so fun to, just to watch still. I've been doing it for more than 30 years, and if someone goes up and kills, I have a great time. I'm loving it.

Shane Gillis 1:05:24 Yeah. There's nothing better-

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 It's the best thing to watch. They cheer.

Shane Gillis 1:05:26 There's nothing better than someone killing.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 No, there's nothing better.

Shane Gillis 1:05:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 There's nothing better when you don't know their material too.

Shane Gillis 1:05:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Never seen them before, and they're just lighting the room on fire with-

Shane Gillis 1:05:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 ... with really interesting shit.

Shane Gillis 1:05:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 T- Yeah, it's, um, it's better, man. It d- It is, 'cause like if you're contained inside that Saturday Night Live structure, no disrespect to anybody that is, but you're, you're not as free. You're, you're gonna be more reserved. You're gonna-

Shane Gillis 1:05:50 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 ... you're gonna hold back.

Shane Gillis 1:05:51 Definitely. Yeah, there's that, for sure.