Joe Rogan Experience #1685 - Shane Gillis

1. 0:00 – 1:02

   Back from a recording hiccup: Bud Light debates and living with Doug Stanhope

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) All right, we're back after a brief hiatus. We had a little fuck-up here.

   4. SGShane Gillis0:16

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      But we're back. Cheers again.

   6. SGShane Gillis0:17

      Yeah, cheers.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      So we were saying that, uh, I was saying that this is Stanhope's move, drinking Bud Light, and you were saying that you like drinking Bud Light because, uh, you could drink more. And then I said Stanhope switched to cocktails. This, all this happened, we had a fuck-up-

   8. SGShane Gillis0:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      ... with the recording. But you said you lived with Stanhope.

   10. SGShane Gillis0:34

       I did.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       At the fucking Neverland Ranch?

   12. SGShane Gillis0:36

       Yes. It was crazy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah, what's he doing out there?

   14. SGShane Gillis0:39

       Uh, what do you think?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah. (laughs)

   16. SGShane Gillis0:41

       (laughs) Just guess.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Just being bombed and having-

   18. SGShane Gillis0:43

       He's nuts.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       ... random strangers show up at his house?

   20. SGShane Gillis0:45

       Yeah. He doesn't care. I mean, he's, he's still, he's so funny, but yeah, every once in a while, he'd get, he'd get a little nasty.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah?

   22. SGShane Gillis0:52

       He'd turn on me.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       He'd turn on you?

   24. SGShane Gillis0:54

       Yeah, I'd say every, because we, I mean, it was, it was like a month and I, I can drink, but I can't-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       So, you lived with him for a whole month?

   26. SGShane Gillis1:00

       Yeah, I lived, I stayed in the guest house.

2. 1:02 – 3:36

   Bisbee, Arizona as an artsy mining-town refuge

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:02

      What is that place like, that Bisbee, Arizona?

   2. SGShane Gillis1:04

      It's a cool town.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      Yeah?

   4. SGShane Gillis1:06

      It's really cool, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's like an old mining town, so every house is like an old mine shack. It's crazy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:13

      And most of the people there, what do they do?

   6. SGShane Gillis1:15

      Uh, I think when the mines closed, because it was an old copper mine, uh, they all, like hippies from California moved in there, so it's like a real artsy, artsy town.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:25

      Is he like the mayor of the town?

   8. SGShane Gillis1:27

      Yeah, pretty much.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:28

      Yeah.

   10. SGShane Gillis1:29

       Although I think all he does is... I could be wrong. Maybe his routine changed during COVID. I, in fact, I know it did. Uh, but they...

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       Look at your nose.

   12. SGShane Gillis1:39

       (laughs) Yeah, that was it. Uh, he would just go to the grocery store and come back. That was his...

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       That's it?

   14. SGShane Gillis1:46

       That was it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       That's it?

   16. SGShane Gillis1:49

       That's it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Just make sure he's got enough money in the bank?

   18. SGShane Gillis1:51

       Yeah, talk shit, do podcasts, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Wow.

   20. SGShane Gillis1:54

       Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. But yeah, like I said, every once in a while, he'd get a couple drinks and be like, "Look at you."

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       (laughs)

   22. SGShane Gillis2:01

       (laughs) Like, we'd be hanging out and out of nowhere he'd be like, "You're fat." I'd be like, "All right man, what the fuck, dude?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Oh my God. (laughs)

   24. SGShane Gillis2:07

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       That's the hard booze.

   26. SGShane Gillis2:08

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       That's hard booze thinking.

   28. SGShane Gillis2:10

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       People that just drink, like, Bud Lights, they probably don't get that nasty.

   30. SGShane Gillis2:14

       No.
3. 3:36 – 5:06

   Comedians ‘talking shit’ vs virtue-signaling inside comedy spaces

   1. SGShane Gillis3:36

      Definitely. And at the Cellar now, it's like we're all having, like, conversations about, like, race and shit like that, and it's like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      And you might get hammered?

   3. SGShane Gillis3:43

      I might get hammered and be like, "Would you guys shut up?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      (laughs)

   5. SGShane Gillis3:46

      (laughs) Just wake up the next day like, "Oh, fuck."

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      Uh, there is nothing worse than comedi- comedians that are virtue signaling.

   7. SGShane Gillis3:53

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      Like around other comedians and trying to establish, like, a way that we should all communicate. And you're like...

   9. SGShane Gillis3:59

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       What the fuck are you saying?

   11. SGShane Gillis4:01

       Yeah, it's like, "Why, what are you doing here?"

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Are you pretending this is real?

   13. SGShane Gillis4:02

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Are you pretending this is real?

   15. SGShane Gillis4:03

       No, we were all in on this.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       We're all-

   17. SGShane Gillis4:05

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       Yeah, we're all in on this. We're all-

   19. SGShane Gillis4:06

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       We're all good people talking mad shit.

   21. SGShane Gillis4:08

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       There's no bad people here. Just because someone says something ridiculous to make other people laugh, like, yeah, that's what they're doing.

   23. SGShane Gillis4:15

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       We know the game.

   25. SGShane Gillis4:16

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       It's sh- it's like, it, it, it's... They're opportunists. They're opportunists. They've, they find a little, a way to, to claim the moral high ground to be upset at everybody else. But if you're a comedian and you do that, you're a traitor. You know what's going on. You know that these guys are just talking shit. And talking shit is a real thing.

   27. SGShane Gillis4:37

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       It's a thing. It's like, here's my real statement, here's how I really feel about things, here's honesty, here's me, uh, you know, just being vulnerable and truthful, and then here's me talking shit.

   29. SGShane Gillis4:47

       Yeah. It's shit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       And what I'm talking...
4. 5:06 – 7:07

   Ancient all-day drinking, psychedelics, and why modern life feels easy

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      It might grow on me. It's not bad. I get the, the idea though. You know, that's... One of the things that I've been reading about, um, lately, I, I'm actually rereading this book by Brian Muraresku on, um, it's called, uh, The Immortality Key. It's all about ancient Greece and how they used to take wine and they had wine laced with all these psychedelic chemicals and that's, you know, the whole Eleusinian Mysteries.

   2. SGShane Gillis5:30

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      Um, but back then everybody used to drink all day. They all had like a s... The alcohol was terrible. Like the wine had like 3% alcohol. The booze had like 3%, like beer was 3%. The one, they didn't know how to make like strong shit-

   4. SGShane Gillis5:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:44

      ... like they know how to make today. And everybody was drunk all the time.

   6. SGShane Gillis5:48

      Yeah, what else are you gonna do?

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      Yeah.

   8. SGShane Gillis5:50

      Sitting around waiting to get fucking killed by barbarians?

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      (laughs)

   10. SGShane Gillis5:54

       You better get hammered.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       And the barbarians are on mushrooms.

   12. SGShane Gillis5:57

       Yeah, they're c... (laughs) Yeah, they were.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Yeah. That was the thing. Like the Vikings, they were, they were all on mushrooms.

   14. SGShane Gillis6:01

       Were they?

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       Yeah, they would do mushrooms and go berserking.

   16. SGShane Gillis6:04

       Yeah, they would do some bad things. I can't imagine doing those things on mushrooms.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       ... yeah, but if you lived back then, you could.

   18. SGShane Gillis6:10

       True.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       If, like, that was a normal part of everyday life, was cutting people apart, you'd probably wanna be into mushrooms.

   20. SGShane Gillis6:15

       Yeah, I guess I'd, I'd take mushrooms and giggle.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       Yeah, probably.

   22. SGShane Gillis6:18

       You guys would take it and...

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       But they might've giggled too.

   24. SGShane Gillis6:20

       I bet they were giggling.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Yeah, I would imagine.

   26. SGShane Gillis6:24

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       We're lucky. But that's why people complain today, you know? It's like, the... 'cause it's pretty easy. So the things that people complain about, it... they're relatively mild in comparison to the historical record-

   28. SGShane Gillis6:36

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       ... of how fucked up life was.

   30. SGShane Gillis6:37

       Yeah. Yeah, it was terrible.
5. 7:07 – 11:37

   Shane’s ‘drip’ outfit, Ari Shaffir’s chaos, and the freedom-to-wander mindset

   1. SGShane Gillis7:07

      I was with Ari at the house and I was like, "I look like a dickhead, right?" He was like, "No, you look fine."

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:12

      (laughs)

   3. SGShane Gillis7:12

      I knew that he was lying to me, dude.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:13

      Is Ari staying at Tim's too?

   5. SGShane Gillis7:14

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:14

      Oh, no.

   7. SGShane Gillis7:15

      It's just me and Ari.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:16

      Oh my God.

   9. SGShane Gillis7:16

      It's just me and that fucking guy.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       (laughs)

   11. SGShane Gillis7:18

       Took his dick out already.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Of course he did.

   13. SGShane Gillis7:20

       (laughs) Which is fine. Taking your dick out with other people around is funny.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       But just with one dude. (laughs)

   15. SGShane Gillis7:25

       But it's just me and him, and I was like, "Dude, who's this joke for, bro? It's just you and me."

   16. NANarrator7:29

       (clapping)

   17. SGShane Gillis7:29

       It was great. 'Cause we were-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Plus, I guarantee you Tim's got cameras everywhere.

   19. SGShane Gillis7:32

       Oh, definitely.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       Recording everything.

   21. SGShane Gillis7:34

       He's probably watching like, "Yes."

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       (laughs)

   23. SGShane Gillis7:36

       "Take it out." Oh, it's great.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       "Let's go. Let's go."

   25. SGShane Gillis7:38

       So we were out, me and Ari were swimming, and I was like, "I bet you I can swim underwater the length of the pool." And he was like, "I bet you can't." So I did it, and then when I got... I was like out of breath, got to the other side, I was like, "Puh," came out and his dick was out.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       (laughs)

   27. SGShane Gillis7:51

       He was standing outside of the pool. I was like, "Goddamn it."

   28. NANarrator7:54

       (laughs)

   29. SGShane Gillis7:55

       I was, like, tired. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       (sighs) He's a, he's a wild motherfucker.
6. 11:37 – 12:32

   Living for standup: New York routine, Austin hangs, and comedy-community logistics

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:37

      Couple more of these. So, are you still living in New York?

   2. SGShane Gillis11:43

      I am.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      You liking it out there?

   4. SGShane Gillis11:45

      I mean, eh, the only thing I like is doing standup, so yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:48

      Yeah.

   6. SGShane Gillis11:48

      That's the only thing I do.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:49

      Yeah.

   8. SGShane Gillis11:50

      I just hang out, Uber to the club.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:52

      You had some funny shit last night, man.

   10. SGShane Gillis11:54

       Go back home. Oh, thank you very much.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       It was a lot of fun.

   12. SGShane Gillis11:55

       Thank you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:56

       These two nights have been really fun.

   14. SGShane Gillis11:57

       Yeah, they've been awesome, man. You too.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       It's good.

   16. SGShane Gillis11:58

       I've been... It's good. You're still out there swinging like that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:01

       Yeah, you gotta swing.

   18. SGShane Gillis12:02

       Bro.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:03

       (laughs)

   20. SGShane Gillis12:03

       I was standing in the back with Ari and you started going, and I was looking at him like, "Ooh, (laughs) Joe's gonna get in trouble." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       Yeah, you get in trouble.

   22. SGShane Gillis12:10

       Yeah, of course.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Yeah, I mean, some people are gonna get mad, but it's comedy, you know?

   24. SGShane Gillis12:13

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       The people that aren't mad are having a great time. I mean, y-... we saw, we just did-

   26. SGShane Gillis12:18

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:18

       ... two nights in a row. Everybody's having a great time.And these shows at Vulcan that we've been doing on, uh, Tuesday and Wednesday nights, they sell out, like, instantly.

   28. SGShane Gillis12:26

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:26

       And it's fun.

   30. SGShane Gillis12:27

       It's awesome there.
7. 12:32 – 19:24

   City disorder, crime waves, and why ‘danger’ feels exciting on some level

   1. SGShane Gillis12:32

      Austin is. Austin's, Austin's cool. Uh, the area around there, I don't, I don't like it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      It's a little sketchy.

   3. SGShane Gillis12:37

      A lot of homeless people.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      Yeah. Well, it's, uh, it's not well regulated.

   5. SGShane Gillis12:41

      No.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      And, uh, these knuckleheads decided to defund the police, which was a super unwise move. And it, it gets, it's, it gets weird down there.

   7. SGShane Gillis12:50

      Yeah. It's like Bonnaroo out there, dude. Everyone's just intense and on drugs.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Yeah. It's, uh... But you know what? Relatively speaking, it's exciting.

   9. SGShane Gillis12:58

      Yeah. (laughs) You're excited?

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. SGShane Gillis12:59

       You got a fucking driver and a bodyguard, dude.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:02

       (laughs)

   13. SGShane Gillis13:02

       And you do karate. Yeah, it's fun.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:04

       (laughs)

   15. SGShane Gillis13:04

       I'm walking around just like, "Dude, I'm gonna get fucked up here."

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       Don't walk around. You're supposed to-

   17. SGShane Gillis13:08

       Oh, yeah. You gotta walk around.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:09

       You, you get from the parking lot into the structure-

   19. SGShane Gillis13:11

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:11

       ... and then from the structure to the parking lot, and then we vacate the area. That's what you do.

   21. SGShane Gillis13:15

       That's (laughs) what you want it?

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Yeah. You secure the perimeter of the area-

   23. SGShane Gillis13:17

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:17

       ... with security, and you have-

   25. SGShane Gillis13:18

       Yeah, I like doing-

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       ... a lot of st-

   27. SGShane Gillis13:19

       ... comedy in fucking Fallujah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       (laughs)

   29. SGShane Gillis13:22

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       (laughs)
8. 19:24 – 27:48

   From house-party riots to arranged school brawls: mob mentality in real life

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:24

      Have you ever been at a party where a full melee brawl breaks out?

   2. SGShane Gillis19:28

      Like, a bunch of... Yeah, yeah, in college.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:30

      I was in one in, uh, just when I graduated high school. There was a kid who was, uh, I think it wa- he was from Iran and his family had a lot of money and they had a mansion in Beacon Hill.

   4. SGShane Gillis19:42

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:42

      I think it was in Beacon Hill. I'm trying to remember. Uh, nah, I don't know. But it was somewhere in the Newton, Massachusetts area where they have like, a lot of money and, uh, this kid just invited everybody over to his house. So, all these people that he didn't know.

   6. SGShane Gillis19:56

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:56

      Hundreds of kids were at this guy's party and, uh, this girl, I still to this day can't remember what she did. She either threw a drink in the guy's face or she hit him.

   8. SGShane Gillis20:06

      Nice.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:06

      I can't remember what happened, but I was there when the first spark started the fire. I was, I, I remember exactly where I was. There was like a, a stair- s- staircase and there was like, this banister, and I was watching it from here and I saw... I don't remem- I think she threw a drink at him, and this dude just fucking uncorks a picture perfect right hand in her face.

   10. SGShane Gillis20:28

       A lady?

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:29

       Bam!

   12. SGShane Gillis20:30

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Punched her, her head snaps back, she goes out, she falls back and then madness.

   14. SGShane Gillis20:36

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:37

       And then madness and then there's fucking people jumping on people and smashing things and throwing people over stairs and-

   16. SGShane Gillis20:44

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       ... and I'm like, fucking ducking and I make my way out, there's piles of people fi- I'm looking for my friends. It was wild.

   18. SGShane Gillis20:50

       Yeah, it wa- well, it was pre-Twitter, that's how they handled things.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:52

       Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was way pre. This was like, the '80s. It was wild.

   20. SGShane Gillis20:56

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       I'll never forget it. It was just like, all of a sudden you could feel it in the air, like people were just looking to punch people. It's like something happens to people-

   22. SGShane Gillis21:04

       Yeah, madness.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       ... when, yeah, when there's like a mob mentality thing. Like people were just looking to punch people, like you could tell. People didn't even know any- anybody. They were just looking at you like, "Maybe I'll punch you." Like, "Hey-"

   24. SGShane Gillis21:13

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       "... trying to get outta here."

   26. SGShane Gillis21:14

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, "Whose side are you on?"

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:15

       Yeah, "No sides. Mm, get me the fuck outta here."

   28. SGShane Gillis21:18

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:18

       I snuck through it without getting hit and I got outside and friends of mine were like, in piles.

   30. SGShane Gillis21:23

       (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
9. 27:48 – 33:47

   Trans sports controversy, media framing, and the ‘through the looking glass’ moment

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:48

      Did you see... (laughs) Did you see that, uh, giant transgender woman that's playing rugby in Australia?

   2. SGShane Gillis27:54

      No, she probably rules.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:55

      Yeah. She's, yeah, she's the king.

   4. SGShane Gillis27:57

      (laughs) She's the king.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:58

      She's the king. She's a 250 pound man.

   6. SGShane Gillis28:01

      She's chucking people? She's Simone?

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:02

      (laughs) Yeah. She's, no, she's a white guy.

   8. SGShane Gillis28:04

      No? Oh, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan28:04

      (laughs)

   10. SGShane Gillis28:04

       She's a white guy. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan28:05

       (laughs) You never seen it? Show, show the video. It's... The video is hilarious, because-

   12. SGShane Gillis28:11

       It's... They're always so funny.

   13. JRJoe Rogan28:13

       I don't even know if this person's undergone any transition, because we've gotten to this super preposterous point where you can just say you're a woman, you don't have to do anything. Like, there was a thing about, uh, a woman getting arrested for child molestation.

   14. SGShane Gillis28:25

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:25

       And, uh, the... I'll, I'll send the video, because... I'm gonna, I'm gonna send you this, uh-

   16. SGShane Gillis28:29

       That's what teachers should do.

   17. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       ... Jamie. But no, no, no, you have to see this because this woman has a beard. Yeah, look at that.

   18. SGShane Gillis28:37

       Oh, shit, dude.

   19. NANarrator28:37

       That is ridiculous.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:37

       Look at that. Come on, look at the size of that male human being who is playing rugby against women. I mean, hilarious, right?

   21. SGShane Gillis28:47

       Great tits though.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:48

       Yeah, really good tits.

   23. SGShane Gillis28:49

       Pretty hot. They did good there.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:50

       Brand, brand new.

   25. SGShane Gillis28:51

       Ah, some nice tits you've got. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:54

       Yeah, I'm gonna show you... I'm gonna send you this, Jamie. Hold on a second.

   27. SGShane Gillis28:59

       Damn, look at the mitts on that lady.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       So I just sent to you, Jamie. Yeah, that's a large person to be playing rugby against women. And I w- I would say that that was probably an unfair decision, but who am I just to assist gently-

   29. SGShane Gillis29:19

       I'll tell you what-

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       Look at this. Woman charged after allegedly sexually assaulting Boy Six in Toronto Park. Woman with stubble, a crew cut, the most manly face, like a square jo... That's a fucking male human being. His name is Ruby, Ruby Ebbe. Okay.
10. 33:47 – 41:24

    Shane Gillis’ SNL arc: audition rules, Lorne Michaels, and the surreal callback process

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:47

       What was your experience like with the whole SNL debacle thing? What was that like?

    2. SGShane Gillis33:52

       Uh, it's, uh, it was very, very crazy. I don't know. It's tough to... There's not many people that have, you can even talk to about it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan34:00

       Yeah.

    4. SGShane Gillis34:00

       You know? 'Cause it, it fucks you up a little. Like, it makes you, like, uh, not trust people and shit for a while.

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       Like, in what way?

    6. SGShane Gillis34:08

       I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. It's, but, uh, back to the main, the experience of it was like, you just, uh, it was kinda surreal 'cause I went from, I was one of the first people to get, like, canceled or however you wanna say it, consequences. However.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:23

       Yeah.

    8. SGShane Gillis34:24

       However you wanna say it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:25

       (laughs)

    10. SGShane Gillis34:25

        Doesn't matter what we call it, it is what it is.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:27

        Right.

    12. SGShane Gillis34:27

        But, uh, I was one of the first people to go from, I was doing, I was poor. I was not famous at all. I was poor. And then I got canceled immediately. Like, that was my th- like-

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:39

        Right. You didn't get-

    14. SGShane Gillis34:40

        It was a very different experience.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:41

        ... famous and then get canceled?

    16. SGShane Gillis34:42

        Yeah, most people that get canceled are, yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:44

        You got canceled on the way-

    18. SGShane Gillis34:46

        I got canceled immediately.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:47

        Yeah.

    20. SGShane Gillis34:47

        They, they literally were like, "How about this guy?" And everyone was like, "No."

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:51

        So, you got cast on SNL?

    22. SGShane Gillis34:53

        Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:54

        And then what happened?

    24. SGShane Gillis34:55

        Um, so I found out I was getting on SNL the day before they announced it. So I got a call, they're like, "Hey, we wanna put you on the cast." The whole time, I was... We'll start from the top.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:09

        (laughs)

    26. SGShane Gillis35:09

        My, my agents and all those people, they were like, "You're, do you wanna audi- or do you wanna write, do you wanna send a packet in for SNL?" And I was like, "No. I'm not gonna be a writer. I'm never gonna... I won't work on that show." And then I guess they saw me at JFL and Comedy Central thing, and they were like, "We like him, we want him to audition. He can come straight in to audition." So I went straight to the main stage for the audition. And the whole time leading up to it, I was like, "I'm never, I'm never gonna get this. I d- I don't care. I wanna do standup." I kinda hated SNL at that point.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:40

        (laughs)

    28. SGShane Gillis35:40

        'Cause every ti- every sketch was like... You know, you know what it is.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:44

        Yeah.

    30. SGShane Gillis35:45

        And then I was like, "I'll never fit in there." And then when we, when you go to audition, it's just, you just wait your turn in a green room, and they keep you there extra long for, like, two or three hours to, like, make you nervous.
11. 41:24 – 44:29

    Cancellation hits immediately: vetting blind spots, viral clips, and reading every comment

    1. SGShane Gillis41:24

       So many articles. I was ... I think I was number one on Twitter for, like, three straight days-

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:28

       Wow.

    3. SGShane Gillis41:28

       ... of just getting fucking eviscerated.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:30

       Did you read it all?

    5. SGShane Gillis41:31

       Oh, I read all of it.

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:32

       Oh, no.

    7. SGShane Gillis41:33

       Yeah, everybody was like, "Stop reading co-" I still read comments.

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:35

       Do you?

    9. SGShane Gillis41:35

       I read every comment.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:36

        Why?

    11. SGShane Gillis41:37

        I don't know.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:38

        Oh.

    13. SGShane Gillis41:38

        It's, it's fucked up. And it's crazy too, 'cause I'll read, like, 90 good ones and then 1 bad one, and like-

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:43

        The one bad one will fuck you up.

    15. SGShane Gillis41:45

        It just depends which one it is.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:47

        Right.

    17. SGShane Gillis41:47

        You know? I g- I'll get called, like, uh, you know, fat retard constantly. (laughs) I'll be like-

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:51

        (laughs)

    19. SGShane Gillis41:52

        ... "Yeah, whatever. I can, I can walk through that no problem."

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        Right.

    21. SGShane Gillis41:54

        But then there will be one that's like, "He's ner-" Uh, like something, something where they get you, where they, they know you.

    22. JRJoe Rogan42:00

        Yeah. Yeah.

    23. SGShane Gillis42:01

        Like, "He laughs at his own jokes on every podcast." And it's like, "Oh, fuck."

    24. JRJoe Rogan42:05

        Do I? Shit.

    25. SGShane Gillis42:06

        Shit.

    26. JRJoe Rogan42:07

        Right.

    27. SGShane Gillis42:07

        Anyway. So I get ... All that stuff comes out. And it was funny. This is funny. I went into Lorne's, Lorne Michael's office, and he was talking to- And I was convinced I was getting fired. Like, I knew I was getting fired, 'cause if they didn't get me on that, there's so much more. (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan42:24

        (laughs)

    29. SGShane Gillis42:25

        So much worse. (laughs) And, uh, so he was talking to me, and he was like, "No, we think we can ..." He's like, "If we just get you to the first episode, like, people will see you're not a piece-of-shit person."

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:37

        Right.
12. 44:29 – 1:06:55

    Statements, corporate panic, and getting fired: the mechanics of a public takedown

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:29

       Dude, here's why it's fine. Your sketches that you're doing, what is it, Gillian Keeves?

    2. SGShane Gillis44:34

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:34

       Those are the best fucking comedy sketches that are on the internet right now.

    4. SGShane Gillis44:38

       Thank you.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:38

       I'm not, I'm not bullshitting. The only thing that's at the same level is Kyle Dunnigan's shit.

    6. SGShane Gillis44:43

       Oh, man.

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:43

       Kyle Dunnigan, the shit that he's doing-

    8. SGShane Gillis44:44

       Oh, my God, dude.

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:45

       ... becau- he's got a, a massive advantage with that face swap, though.

    10. SGShane Gillis44:48

        And he's so good at fucking impressions.

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:50

        He's, he's amazing. He's-

    12. SGShane Gillis44:52

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:52

        Have you seen the new thing that Dunnigan is doing? He's do- uh, the, uh, the, the fucking, what is it? The f- he does a Fresh Prince takeoff with Biden. What is it called?

    14. SGShane Gillis45:00

        Yeah. Fresh Prince of DC.

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:02

        Yes.

    16. SGShane Gillis45:02

        Or something, Fresh Prez.

    17. JRJoe Rogan45:03

        Something like that. Fresh Prez.

    18. SGShane Gillis45:04

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        Dude, it's, it's tear-jerking. It's-

    20. SGShane Gillis45:08

        Who's Bill Maher?

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Oh, my God, it's incredible.

    22. SGShane Gillis45:10

        New rule.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:11

        Yeah.

    24. SGShane Gillis45:11

        It just... Oh, my God.

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:13

        And it's, it is something about it that it's almost got like a South Park-esque quality to it.

    26. SGShane Gillis45:17

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:17

        Because it looks so fake, but it's obvious... Uh, it's like, it's like these things. Like, look how bad these look.

    28. SGShane Gillis45:24

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:24

        Look at the little tiny hand he holds up for Bill Maher. Like, the face swap thing is amazing. It really is amazing, because he's... Like, look at it, AOC, 'cause it looks so fake. Like you-

    30. SGShane Gillis45:37

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:13:14