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Joe’s 20-minute ice bath ordeal and flirting with hypothermia
- JRJoe Rogan
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays)
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
It's always some extreme shit you and these-
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, I know. This is the most extreme, though.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
This is the closest I've ever come to dying, I think-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... doing one of these things. I just don't know why d- I just- My friend, Jocko Willink, he sent me a video of his kid doing, uh, 20 minutes in, in the ice bath 'cause I, I, the first time I did it, I did it, I bailed at, like, a minute and a half. And I was like, "Oh my God, this is so cold." And then last night, I did it, and I got to four minutes and I was like, "I think I can go further."
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And so today, what I decided to do is set a timer. So when I set a timer, like, I had my phone timer on so I could look at the timer. And when I did that, I could stare, and I knew exactly how much time was past. And so I got to five minutes. Uh, that was my goal to get to five minutes. I was like, "Fuck it, let's go for 10." I got to 10, I was like, "Fuck it, 15." And I got to 15, and then I was like, "We're gonna go for 20."
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And I got to 20 minutes. It's 33 degrees, too. I'm fucking freezing in there.
- JDJimmy Dore
Jesus.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then when I got to 20 and I got out, like, I could barely walk. And then I was shivering the entire, shivering-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, hardcore shivering in my house, shivering all the way over here. It's 90 degrees in Texas. I'm driving, no AC on, windows rolled up, freezing, freezing. Normally, I'd be, like, sweating like a pig in there. I was freezing, shivering the entire, like, all the way, all the way over here. I got here-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
... I'm wearing this sweatshirt because-
- JDJimmy Dore
It's a (laughs) -
- JRJoe Rogan
... I had it laying around here. I put it on 'cause I was, I was freezing.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, I just, uh, while you were doing that, I was, uh, hitting my snooze button.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
I swear to God, that's what I was doing. Joe's right now in an ice bath trying to do another five minutes. I'm gonna do another five minutes, too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) I'm gonna do another-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know who's doing the right thing. You might be doing the right thing. I may be torturing myself.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I- it's, it's probably, like, a point of diminishing returns.
- 2:24 – 4:24
Breathwork, “mewing,” and why helpful practices don’t get adopted
- JRJoe Rogan
The thing is the breathing exercises. If you deep breathe, I deep breathed through it. Like, uh, in the beginning, I was just kinda breathing normal, and then once it got real rough, I started doing these deep breathing exercises, like six seconds in and six seconds out, and then it was more tolerable.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, it's amazing what people will do to... (laughs) You know, I was just, I was hanging by my thumbs for six hours. I'm like, "I can do it. Let's just do it. Let's see if I can do it." Uh, 'cause I s- my friend sent me a video of his kid hanging by his thumbs, and I was like, "I bet I can do it longer." Like, what is that? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know. I don't know.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) I don't know what-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know what I do. I don't, I just...
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) All this stuff, you guys, it's always like, "You can't, you can't eat but once every 36 hours."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
"You gotta breathe through your nose, and then your, uh, your mouth will expand, and you'll have the right bite." And I'm like, "What is this?" All this crazy shit I never knew about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I've gotten this, like, uh, accidental education on this show, just wanting to talk, like James Nestor, the breathe guy who wrote that book.
- JDJimmy Dore
The guy who makes, makes the palate bigger?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
Literally makes it... Did you do that?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I didn't do that.
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, didn't do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I didn't do that. I do do the breathing exercises, but that's like a type of breathing. I think you're supposed to, mm, you're supposed to do something as you do it. What is that called, the mewing? Isn't it called mewing? There's like a thing that they say that people do to sort of expand your palate. It ch- it changes the inside of your mouth-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... somehow or another. Well, apparently our mouths, "Mewing is the placement of the tongue on the roof of the mouth, which proponents say can reshape the face and help correct orthodontic breathing and facial structural issues."
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
"It was developed by an orthodontist named John Mew in the 1970s."
- JDJimmy Dore
So no- why don't more people do that? Why don't they teach that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Why don't more people do a lot of things? There's a l- like, breathe- deep breathing exercises are phenomenal for your immune system. They're phenomenal for relaxation, for, uh, alleviate anxiety. There's a lot of different things that you can do that people don't do because they're hard.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It's like, we have to overcome the- I mean, that's the thing. It's like overcoming the, the, this sort of hesitancy to do things that are difficult.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, that's the short term, long term, right? So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 4:24 – 8:37
Mask frustration, COVID travel gear, and fear of show cancellations
- JDJimmy Dore
... you got- if you want a long-term gain or a short-term gain, and that's the whole, that's the whole point. That's the whole point of life, right? Like, you've, you've gotta be able to take pain, but I'll still... You know, I, I start, every time I put a mask on, I think of that episode where you talk about sniff- breathing through your nose.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
'Cause if I breathe through my mouth with a mask on, I- it just sounds, it smells horrible.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. (laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
My breath, I never knew I had such bad breath. I'm like, "Wow." It's like, holy shit. Like, I'm farting out of my mouth.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
This is hor- I cannot, I don't know how people wear masks all goddamn day. So even when I-
- JRJoe Rogan
You really got to change masks, you know, like wash it.
- JDJimmy Dore
Even when I'm on the plane, I'll, like, I'll take the, like, a little, uh, blanket, and I'll put it over, and then I'll take my mask off 'cause I can't sit there like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
I, I don't, I act like I'm like this-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
I can't do it. I can't. I don't know how people wear masks all- people who have to go to work and wear masks all day and they don't get paid double, that's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
It, it is crazy. And it's not healthy for you, I don't think.
- JDJimmy Dore
How could that be?
- JRJoe Rogan
It can't be. I've, I've read or listened, rather, to this doctor describing masks, and he said there is a certain amount of viral load that the mask will filter out. He goes, "But essentially," he goes, "I wear a mask so that people don't think I'm an asshole."
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He said, "When you use a mask, it's essentially like a chain-link fence trying to stop a handful of sand." He goes, "Some of it will get stopped." He goes, but-
- JDJimmy Dore
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he goes, "But why do you wear a mask?" He goes, "You wear a mask so that people don't think you're an asshole and then people realize you care." Unless you're wearing a very tight-fitting N95 mask-
- JDJimmy Dore
Like what... Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you know, it's really sealed off. And then, like, how are you getting air in? You know, like, what, it's... You know, these things that, um-... um-
- JDJimmy Dore
Reggie Watts told us about. They're these, like, headgear things-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Eh-
- JDJimmy Dore
... that have a filter.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've seen those.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, we have those out there. They're like spaces-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJimmy Dore
... suit helmets.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 8:37 – 13:49
Open debate vs taboo: lab-leak discourse, late-night comedy, and self-censorship
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. I get it, yeah. Yeah, it's a w- it's a weird time when you talk about things openly, right? Because there's certain things that if you just discuss them honestly, people are gonna get furious at you.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's certain opinions that if you hold these opinions, people are gonna get furious at you.
- JDJimmy Dore
So to me, that's the worst, uh, byproduct of a Trump presidency, was that, uh, questions, aren't ... You're not allowed to question things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
You're not allowed to have certain thoughts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
And if you have certain thoughts, like, y- you're, you're considered deplorable. You're the c- You're, you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJimmy Dore
And it's like, it's real. That's a real thing-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
... happening. And just like, for instance, like, remember when, um, if you th- if you gave the theory that, uh, the virus started in a, in a lab-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JDJimmy Dore
... that you were canceled, and that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
... was misinformation. And then, uh, Jon Stewart goes on Stephen Colbert (laughs) and does the funniest bit in the world about it. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Even though Colbert was trying to, like, hamstring-
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, he was trying to ... Oh, he was trying ... He was doing the opposite of what com- comedians are supposed to do.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
He wasn't doing yes/and.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- JDJimmy Dore
So when Jon Stewart was being hilarious, he kept trying to take the legs out from underneath the bit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hi, I'd like to see some evidence, if you have any evidence I'd like to see it.
- JDJimmy Dore
How long have you, how long have you worked for Ron Johnson? It's like, what-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
... in the F are you doing? This guy's doing a brilliant comedy bit.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know.
- JDJimmy Dore
And he is so shitlibbed, Stephen Colbert, his brain is so shitlibbed that he can't even go along with the bit. He has to break comedy rules to save his shitlib, uh, uh, reputation. And Jon Stewart at one point just walked away from him and went, uh, to- ... right towards the camera. You saw it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
He's like, "I'm done with you."
- 13:49 – 17:00
Force the Vote: leverage, the Squad, and why progressives won’t confront leadership
- JDJimmy Dore
On me. They've done that, right? So like when I was pushing Force the Vote, I don't know if you know what that was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Sure. But explain it to people maybe who don't.
- JDJimmy Dore
So Force the Vote was, um- I'll let you do that. I'll bring it back up at some point. Okay. So Force the Vote was when, um, the, uh, uh, the pr- the Democrats got a majority in the House, but it was a very slim majority. It was like somewhere around 8, 9, 10 votes, something like that. It wasn't that many votes. And we realized that the, the squad, the Justice Democrats now had enough members that they couldn't elect the speaker without their votes. So if they s- withheld their votes, Nancy Pelosi could not become speaker. And so, uh, everybody had always thought that getting a vote on the floor of the House for Medicare for All was a big goal of the left just to get a vote. Nancy Pelosi's been called, said in 1994, "We should have a vote for single payer." And of course, uh, AOC said, uh, famously that, "We can't even get a vote." She was lamenting. She's saying the Democratic Party is a center right party and we can't even get a vote on Medicare for All. Well, here's a way you can get it. You can withhold your vote from Nancy's... You use leverage just like the Tea Party did. They're called the Freedom Caucus. They drove John Boehner crazy to the point where he stepped down because they couldn't pass anything without their votes, the Freedom Caucus. Same thing right now. Uh, the, all the leverage is in the hands of that squad. And they could use it, but they refuse to do it. And so I put it, made a push for them to do this. And it was obvious they didn't wanna do it. And, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what do you think is holding them back? Is there...
- JDJimmy Dore
So I th- so there's a, uh, uh, I think it's w- what's going on is that, uh, you know, as Chris Hedges says, you know, uh, "Politics attracts the most mediocre people to begin with." And they're, you know, mo- they're narcissists and they're self-dealers. And so once they got power, uh, they realized, I, uh, I don't want, I don't really wanna go against the establishment 'cause I don't wanna feel the wrath of the establishment. I don't wanna feel the wrath of Wall Street, the military industrial complex, big pharma and all that, and the party coming down on me. Because if you're in Congress, you know you're gonna get speaking fees, you're gonna... right? Speaking gigs.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
You're gonna get a book deal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
You're, you're, uh, and you're... and if you're in Congress for five years, you get a pension for the rest of your life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JDJimmy Dore
So these people do not wanna upset the apple cart like they ran on. They ran on... literally AOC was saying that we need, cause a ruckus and they don't wanna be pushed, but we have to push them and we have to stop being polite. That's what she said.
- JRJoe Rogan
So you think they get into office and then all the benefits of being in office-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... then start to-
- JDJimmy Dore
And they get-
- JRJoe Rogan
... show themselves and they get a little bit tempted by that.
- JDJimmy Dore
And so right now, if, if you voted for people in the squad, they've been going along with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden 100%. They said they gave Joe Biden an A. That's was, that was this progressives giving Joe Biden a... (laughs) Joe Biden who's not doing anything he campaigned on. He campaigned on, uh, the public option. We're not getting the public option for healthcare. He cam, he campaigned on a $15 minimum wage. We're not getting a $15 minimum wage. We're not getting it at all. And they, and by the way, so the squad could use their leverage to make him do these things and to, uh, decriminalize marijuana. He's doing, he's going the other way. He is ramping up the drug war again.
- JRJoe Rogan
But doesn't Sh- isn't Schumer trying to push legalizing?
- JDJimmy Dore
Isn't that something?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
But Chuck Schumer is too progressive for Joe Biden. (laughs)
- 17:00 – 19:33
Wall Street ‘selections,’ kids in cages, and the rise of censorship as a political tool
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
That's it. The, the biggest tool of Wall Street, that's why Chuck Schumer is the leader, by the way. Chuck Schumer's not the leader because he's a leader that people wanna follow. Chuck Schumer's the leader because Wall Street gives him the most cash that he then divvies out to the rest of the senators. And that's why he's the leader, because they need his cash and he's the biggest puppet of Wall Street. But that's why Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are president and vice president. Wall Street first picked Kamala Harris on Martha's Vineyard. There, that was her, their first pick. They thought they had another Obama, because if you remember, Obama was the darling of Wall Street. In fact, his entire cabinet came from an email that was g- given to him from Citigroup. We now know that from WikiLeaks, right? So and everybody in that email from Citigroup ended up in Barack Obama... Barack Obama got more money from Wall Street than John McCain when he ran. People forget that. So they're the ones who are choosing who our president and vice president are. We don't have real elections. We get select-ance. We have selections, right? So they picked, uh, Kamala Harris. Turns out Kamala Harris couldn't get a goddamn vote. She couldn't get a vote or a, or a delegate. Nobody liked her. So, uh, they switched-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Tulsi Gabbard kind of put the, the screws in the back, right?
- JDJimmy Dore
He hurt her. She hurt her. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. She hurt her bad in that debate.
- JDJimmy Dore
But I mean, it was, I, I mean, I think Kamala Harris was just transparent. I think people saw she was nothing and she... anyway...So they went to their next person, their next most reliable guy. Who's that? Joe Biden is the most reliable guy from Wall Street. He's the guy who criminalized bankruptcy. He made it f- if you get medical debt, now you can't get rid of it. I mean, he did everything he could for, for Wall Street and he's done it. He's no friend of the working man, Joe Biden, obviously. And so that's how we got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. They're Wall Street's number one and number two. And that's what happens, and so, uh, we don't have elections, we do have selections, and this idea that voting Democrat... You know, Joe Biden, you hear... I was told that you have to, uh, vote for Joe Biden because of kids in cages. Well, the kids are still in cages, Joe. I don't know if you know that, but I guess they should be honored that they are being caged by the lesser of two evils.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you can't film them now, which is very strange. Where they try to stop people from filming them.
- JDJimmy Dore
So it's just censorship now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's all they have now-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
... left is censorship.
- JRJoe Rogan
This just... It's so disheartening to see the left advocating for censorship-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... instead of pushing the correct ideas.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Instead of, i- instead of, like, having open debates about these ideas to prove their point or to argue their point, they wanna silence the opposing point of view. And where, where we're seeing the problem with this-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... clearly what you just described earlier with the lab leak theory. The lab leak theory under Trump was something that they wanted to suppress, so if you pushed that lab leak theory, if you even discussed it on Facebook, they yanked it.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- 19:33 – 23:19
Fauci, Rand Paul, and narrative warfare over gain-of-function
- JRJoe Rogan
They took it down. But now, they're saying it's the most likely scenario and even Fauci is forced to admit that this is a possibility, you know? And that, that weird conversation that he had with Rand Paul where he's saying that it's molecularly impossible according to the data from China. Like, hey, when, when, when did we start listening to the data from China as being w- 100% accurate? That's... This is crazy talk.
- JDJimmy Dore
Fau- Fauci. He sounds like a used car salesman. He's like, "That's not gain-of-func-... This is the definition," right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
"That's not what I have people qualified up and down-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
"... the line." What? You mean people qualified that you handpicked?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's the problem.
- JDJimmy Dore
He just goes, "People qualified up and down the... At, at... Uh, yeah, up... That you picked that rely on you to get a jo-" And, of course, he... The sound bite out of that was, "You don't know what you're talking about."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
That was the soundbite that all the pe- that got played. Play the whole thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, that's the weird thing is that, uh, there's two narratives and there was the narrative from the right is that Rand Paul called him out and proved that he was not telling the truth about gain-of-function research. And then this, the narrative on the left was Fauci owns Rand Paul.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) Yes. Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And just, like, Jesus Christ, you guys are like little kids.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
He owned him? Like, is that what it is? He, he s- he scolded him? He told him?
- JDJimmy Dore
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
He told him what not? Is that what happened?
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it's-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... so strange.
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, the first time, not this last time, but the first time I saw Rand Paul giving it to, uh, Fauci about gain of function, he mentioned the doctor's name. He said, "So, y-... T- t- Bla-... Dr. Joe Bla-
- JRJoe Rogan
Peter Datzak?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah, whatever the name was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
He said, "That's not gain of function."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
And Fauci goes, "No, that's not gain of function and if it is, it's being done under the right regula-" Like, you can't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
... have it both ways.
- 23:19 – 26:52
Deplatforming creep: PayPal/ADL, extremism labels, and who gets to define ‘bad speech’
- JDJimmy Dore
And right now, I just saw a thing where they're... Uh, PayPal is hooking up with the ADL and, to suppress people who are doing bad speech. So if they... The ADL, that's the, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Anti-Defamation League.
- JDJimmy Dore
... Anti-Defamation League.
- JRJoe Rogan
So PayPal is hooking up with them so that if you-
- JDJimmy Dore
So I just saw this today. I-
- JRJoe Rogan
So you can't use PayPal if you say something that they don't agree with? Like, what is bad speech?
- JDJimmy Dore
You tell me, but you know how they're doing that. If they don't like what you say-
- JRJoe Rogan
Here it is.
- JDJimmy Dore
What's this? PayPal to research-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hate groups and extremists.
- JDJimmy Dore
... transactions that fund hate groups.
- JRJoe Rogan
But didn't they label Sam Harris as a extremist?
- JDJimmy Dore
So that's the problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
So then once you start letting some jagoffs, uh, decide who's an extremist and who isn't... You know, I... Who I think is an extremist? I think Joe Biden is an extremist. Right now Joe Biden, while he's denying people healthcare in America and a living wage, is bombing the poorest people in Africa right now, Somalia. Do you know 50% of Somalia are nomads?... and we're bombing that goddamn country.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what's going on in Somalia? I'm not aware of this at all.
- JDJimmy Dore
You tell me why we're bomb ... I don't know. There must be some oil there or maybe batteries, lithium. Who knows? There's something there.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm not even aware of this.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah. He just started bombing, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this today?
- JDJimmy Dore
No. It was last week. I did a story on it already. It's up on my channel.
- JRJoe Rogan
Your fucking show is fantastic, by the way.
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, please keep saying that. Please say that again (laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
I love it.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's very sweet.
- JRJoe Rogan
I watch it, I watch it all the time. You're, you're a true independent, you know? You're, you're really allowed to say your full opinion on your show and the way you do it is, uh, it's very brave. And I, I love the fact that there's a platform ... Like, you know, as much shit as people talk about YouTube, and I don't agree with their censorship at all, but I think what's ... One, part of the problem with YouTube is they're managing it scale, right? There's fucking-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... millions and millions-
- JDJimmy Dore
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of videos coming in. And who's doing it?
- 26:52 – 38:30
Syria deep dive: OPCW whistleblowers, propaganda incentives, and Wesley Clark’s ‘7 countries’
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you explain that to people? 'Cause people, if people are, are not, like, really balls deep into politics, they might not understand, especially international politics, this whole Syria false flags thing.
- JDJimmy Dore
So they've been trying to get rid of S- ... They've been trying to overthrow Syria for decades, right? So this is not a new thing. But they're pretending like it all started with the Arab Spring, and it didn't. Uh, what ... How it started was the CIA funded a program called Timber Sycamore. Look it up. And what we did was we funded terrorists, right? Uh, Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda. And, uh, and we funneled a lot of arms from Libya, which we had just turned into a failed state, through Turkey into Syria. And so, uh, we created a war, uh, do- what they call a dirty war, in Syria and ... because we wanna overthrow Assad. And how do you make him out to be ... "Oh, he's gassing his people. He's doing these things." So you gotta make him propaganda to get people on board. And they said ... The first thing they did was a gas attack, right? Remember Bar- ... They wanted Barack Obama to bomb him in, like, 2014, 2013.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
And this ... That was when Barack Obama had a news, a press conference and the public-
- JDJimmy Dore
Said no.
- JRJoe Rogan
... said no. Like, u- ... Almost unanimously.
- JDJimmy Dore
Unanimously said, "We don't want you to bomb."
- JRJoe Rogan
People were furious about this, this idea that we're gonna go to war-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... with another country.
- JDJimmy Dore
Turns out he fucking did it anyway, right? So he just didn't do it officially. They dropped more bombs in Sta- ... So many bombs in Syria. They ran out of bombs when Barack Obama was president. The Air Force ... That's also a real news story. Look it up. The Air Force-
- JRJoe Rogan
They ran out of bombs?
- JDJimmy Dore
... ran b- runs out of bombs. I think they dropped 26,000 bom- ... They know that-
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- JDJimmy Dore
... Barack Obama and Joe Biden dropped more bombs than Dick Cheney and George Bush. Did you know that?
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes. See, this is the thing, Joe. This is why I have my show. And this is why it's so easy to out ... So here it is. US-
- JRJoe Rogan
"US is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS." Holy shit (laughs) .
- JDJimmy Dore
2015. Look at that.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JDJimmy Dore
They ran out of bombs. "The US Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the US bombing campaign-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. But if you talk to people that are in the military, the, the idea that I'm getting from them was that they wanted to get rid of ISIS, that ISIS is bad. So when you read this and you say they're dropping bombs on ISIS, what's the actual story?
- JDJimmy Dore
So they're, they're doing both. They're fighting ISIS and funding and, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
And funding?
- JDJimmy Dore
The same people, right? So, uh, the, the military might be fighting ISIS in one moment and the CIA might be funding them in the next.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Behind the sudden death of a $1 billion secret CIA war in Syria." What is this, Jamie?
- NANarrator
That's, uh, 2017. It's, like, lo- it's explaining everything he was talking about-
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- NANarrator
... like, two minutes ago.
- 38:30 – 41:41
Manufacturing consent and media consolidation: why institutions self-censor
- JDJimmy Dore
I think Jeff Bezos hires the most progressive people (laughs) . Dr. Evil is running a newspaper that, uh ... By the way, he ha- he has- he had the contract with the CIA which was worth like two or three times what he fucking paid for the paper. So you're not getting the truth from the ... E- every time. So if you read-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think he actively is involved in The Washington Post stories, though?
- JDJimmy Dore
But if you read Manufacturing Consent, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, yeah, I've read it.
- JDJimmy Dore
So you see how that's th- th- th- how censorship happens.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
Right? So it, it happens by who funds it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
Right? It happens by who- then who they hire. Like I was on a panel one time in San Francisco and it was being hosted by this Emmy award-winning news guy from NBC, and I was talking about how bad the establishment news is and how they all have group think and they all go ... He goes, "Jimmy, you know, when, uh, when we're, we're in editorial meetings, we don't all talk like that. I don't think you know what we talk about when we're in editorial meetings." And I go, "You know, I don't, because I'll never be invited into one of those editorial meetings, because I've been coloring outside the lines my whole life, whereas you have been groomed to be in that editorial meeting since you were in fucking kindergarten and you don't even know it."
- JRJoe Rogan
How important is a guy like Chomsky when you think about Manufacturing Consent and y- you think about what he exposed. Like, when was that book written?
- JDJimmy Dore
I don't know. Was it in the late '80s or ... I think?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it was somewhere around then. But that guy-
- JDJimmy Dore
And that was before the consolidation of media.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
So that was when there were still 50 giant media companies and now there's only five or six thanks to Bill Clinton, no friend of the working man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hey.
- JDJimmy Dore
Bill Clinton did the Telecommunications Act in 1996, which took us from 50 giant media companies and took us down to six. Right? And the answer was, "Oh, we can do that because the internet exists now. So the internet, that's gonna open up everything. We're gonna have lots of different voices." Except we don't, because now we have censorship. And where is the censorship coming from? The authoritarian left. They would rather s- shut people up. It's so weird, Joe, because I'm a natural, you know, anti-establishment guy. I'm a fricking comedian, right? I'm an outsider. Whatever the thing is, I want to go against it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
I'm a contrarian. So whatever the fucking thing is, and now you can't do that on social media and people on the left cheer it on. They cheer on, "We gotta get rid of that bad information," like they cheered on with Alex Jones. And how stupid. It's like you guys don't know they start with the guy who's easiest to censor first and then it's gonna come down to you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JDJimmy Dore
And exactly what happened. I mean, I remember watching, um, Jacobin, right? Uh, uh, I used to have these ar- arguments at The Young Turks. They were for censorship. Still are. They're very pro-censorship. And so I remember, uh, Ana Kasparian, who was the co-host of that, she had one of her videos that had Jacobin magazine that got Facebook censored. And they were making a big deal out of it. Like, "Yeah, stop advocating for censorship and you won't be censored."
- JRJoe Rogan
So-
- JDJimmy Dore
And she's like, "Well I was ..." She goes, "I ... When have I ever been for censorship?" "Like when you censored, uh, at ... We were for censoring Alex Jones." She goes, "Yeah, besides that." "What do you mean besides that? That's how it starts." Free speech is an absolute. If Alex Jones was doing something illegal, there's a government body or there's a law enforcement agency that's supposed to take care of that. And if he's not doing something illegal, then he deserves a printing press because that's what Facebook, Twitter and YouTube is. It's a printing press. And it's like, you can't take away someone's printing press 'cause you don't agree with what they're saying. They have to break a law and you have to go to court. And that's
- 41:41 – 1:03:59
Free speech as an absolute: utilities, cross-ideological dialogue, and organizing across class lines
- JDJimmy Dore
how it should be. And all these goddamn social media platforms should be, uh, uh, considered utilities.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
You know that and I know that.
- JRJoe Rogan
I agree. I agree 100% on that.
- JDJimmy Dore
Do you ... Like for instance, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, you couldn't start a business, Joe, without a telephone. How could you compete? If, if AT&T took away your telephone 'cause they didn't like the shit you were saying on your telephone, you couldn't run a business. Right? That was unfair. But today, you can't run a business without a Facebook page or a Twitter account or a YouTube. And they can censor you over that. They can take that away from your business, and that's not right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which brings me to something that's really disturbing. The, the recent decisions to-... tried to censor SMS messages.
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs) Ch-
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's standard text messages that may co- include erroneous information or misinformation. This is, this is something that they talked about-
- JDJimmy Dore
That's not chilling? Is that not chilling?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's terrifying because here's what people need to understand. If you think that this misinformation could possibly cost lives and that you wanna censor it because you wanna preserve life and you wanna preserve the truth, the problem is now they have a tool to decide what you say or don't say through private communication, which is what a text message is. And the way they're doing this is by saying someone could send out a mass text to a bunch of people, and in that, there could be misinformation-
- JDJimmy Dore
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they wanna be able to stop that from happening. But-
- JDJimmy Dore
That's what every dictator says.
- JRJoe Rogan
But if it's a ma- Right. But if it's a mass text, how do you stop single t- Well, you'd use the same tools. And once those tools become available for this, don't think they're gonna put it away once this problem is over. They're not.
- JDJimmy Dore
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're gonna make sure the problem is never over.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're gonna make sure the pr- The- Which is what you're talking about with the CIA bombing in Syria, where they, they're playing on both sides.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
They will do that with everything. You've seen this thing recently with the Governor Whitmer.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
With the-
- JDJimmy Dore
Well, that was the FBI. The- So there's-
- JRJoe Rogan
12... Yeah, 12 different informants were involved in this. Six defendants, 12 informants. Have you seen that, um, that meme, Jamie? The fucking, the Spider-Man meme? Let's see it. Here. I sent it to you. Put- Put it up, 'cause it's one of my favorite memes ever. It's hilarious. There's a meme of all these Spider-Man, like that they're all feds-
- JDJimmy Dore
Ah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they're all pointing at each other.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah (laughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's one- And it says, "One poor autistic guy is standing there, like not knowing," 'cause he's the guy they've talked into this.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at this. Some autistic fuck.
- 1:03:59 – 1:17:34
Homelessness, housing markets, and COVID-era wealth transfer
- JRJoe Rogan
How could you do ... Wait a minute. How could you do that? Doesn't LA's ... Isn't LA's homeless budget like $2 billion?
- JDJimmy Dore
I don't know w- how they're spending-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or California's?
- JDJimmy Dore
... that money, what they're doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JDJimmy Dore
California. I mean, California's run by democrats. Super majority Democrats and a Democratic governor. And there's people sleeping under every bridge and no one gives a shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I hadColion Noir on the podcast-
- JDJimmy Dore
Who's that?
- JRJoe Rogan
And he, he's a, a Second Amendment advocate. He's a lawyer, and he's a very interesting and intelligent guy. And one of the things that he pointed out was that it was pointed out to him that there's no incentive to really end homelessness 'cause there's a shit ton of people that are working to end homelessness and they're making six figures.
- JDJimmy Dore
Ah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he put up the numbers.
- JDJimmy Dore
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
He put up the income of all the different people that are working in California that ... And some of them were $250,000 a year.
- JDJimmy Dore
That's amazing.
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's no progress made, and every year the budget goes up.
- JDJimmy Dore
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And we were watching it and the revelation hit me. I was like, "Holy shit." He's like, "They're banking." He goes, "They're farming homeless people." And I was like, "This is insanity." He goes like, "It doesn't get any better. If it doesn't get any better and they, they keep spending more money every year ..." He goes, "Don't you think there's a problem?"
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