Joe Rogan Experience #1687 - Jimmy Dore

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays)

   4. NANarrator0:12

      (laughs)

   5. JDJimmy Dore0:12

      It's always some extreme shit you and these-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      I know, I know. This is the most extreme, though.

   7. JDJimmy Dore0:17

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      This is the closest I've ever come to dying, I think-

   9. JDJimmy Dore0:19

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       ... doing one of these things. I just don't know why d- I just- My friend, Jocko Willink, he sent me a video of his kid doing, uh, 20 minutes in, in the ice bath 'cause I, I, the first time I did it, I did it, I bailed at, like, a minute and a half. And I was like, "Oh my God, this is so cold." And then last night, I did it, and I got to four minutes and I was like, "I think I can go further."

   11. JDJimmy Dore0:40

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       And so today, what I decided to do is set a timer. So when I set a timer, like, I had my phone timer on so I could look at the timer. And when I did that, I could stare, and I knew exactly how much time was past. And so I got to five minutes. Uh, that was my goal to get to five minutes. I was like, "Fuck it, let's go for 10." I got to 10, I was like, "Fuck it, 15." And I got to 15, and then I was like, "We're gonna go for 20."

   13. JDJimmy Dore1:01

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       And I got to 20 minutes. It's 33 degrees, too. I'm fucking freezing in there.

   15. JDJimmy Dore1:04

       Jesus.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       And then when I got to 20 and I got out, like, I could barely walk. And then I was shivering the entire, shivering-

   17. JDJimmy Dore1:11

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Like, hardcore shivering in my house, shivering all the way over here. It's 90 degrees in Texas. I'm driving, no AC on, windows rolled up, freezing, freezing. Normally, I'd be, like, sweating like a pig in there. I was freezing, shivering the entire, like, all the way, all the way over here. I got here-

   19. JDJimmy Dore1:28

       (laughs) I know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       ... I'm wearing this sweatshirt because-

   21. JDJimmy Dore1:30

       It's a (laughs) -

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       ... I had it laying around here. I put it on 'cause I was, I was freezing.

   23. JDJimmy Dore1:33

       Yeah, I just, uh, while you were doing that, I was, uh, hitting my snooze button.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       (laughs)

   25. JDJimmy Dore1:37

       I swear to God, that's what I was doing. Joe's right now in an ice bath trying to do another five minutes. I'm gonna do another five minutes, too.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Ugh.

   27. JDJimmy Dore1:43

       (laughs) I'm gonna do another-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       I don't know who's doing the right thing. You might be doing the right thing. I may be torturing myself.

   29. JDJimmy Dore1:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       I- it's, it's probably, like, a point of diminishing returns.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   What, what do you…

   1. JDJimmy Dore15:00

      Same thing right now. Uh, the, all the leverage is in the hands of that squad. And they could use it, but they refuse to do it. And so I put it, made a push for them to do this. And it was obvious they didn't wanna do it. And, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      What, what do you think is holding them back? Is there...

   3. JDJimmy Dore15:17

      So I th- so there's a, uh, uh, I think it's w- what's going on is that, uh, you know, as Chris Hedges says, you know, uh, "Politics attracts the most mediocre people to begin with." And they're, you know, mo- they're narcissists and they're self-dealers. And so once they got power, uh, they realized, I, uh, I don't want, I don't really wanna go against the establishment 'cause I don't wanna feel the wrath of the establishment. I don't wanna feel the wrath of Wall Street, the military industrial complex, big pharma and all that, and the party coming down on me. Because if you're in Congress, you know you're gonna get speaking fees, you're gonna... right? Speaking gigs.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      Yeah. Yeah.

   5. JDJimmy Dore15:50

      You're gonna get a book deal.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:52

      Right.

   7. JDJimmy Dore15:52

      You're, you're, uh, and you're... and if you're in Congress for five years, you get a pension for the rest of your life.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JDJimmy Dore15:57

      So these people do not wanna upset the apple cart like they ran on. They ran on... literally AOC was saying that we need, cause a ruckus and they don't wanna be pushed, but we have to push them and we have to stop being polite. That's what she said.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       So you think they get into office and then all the benefits of being in office-

   11. JDJimmy Dore16:16

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       ... then start to-

   13. JDJimmy Dore16:17

       And they get-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       ... show themselves and they get a little bit tempted by that.

   15. JDJimmy Dore16:19

       And so right now, if, if you voted for people in the squad, they've been going along with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden 100%. They said they gave Joe Biden an A. That's was, that was this progressives giving Joe Biden a... (laughs) Joe Biden who's not doing anything he campaigned on. He campaigned on, uh, the public option. We're not getting the public option for healthcare. He cam, he campaigned on a $15 minimum wage. We're not getting a $15 minimum wage. We're not getting it at all. And they, and by the way, so the squad could use their leverage to make him do these things and to, uh, decriminalize marijuana. He's doing, he's going the other way. He is ramping up the drug war again.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       But doesn't Sh- isn't Schumer trying to push legalizing?

   17. JDJimmy Dore16:55

       Isn't that something?

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       Yeah.

   19. JDJimmy Dore16:56

       But Chuck Schumer is too progressive for Joe Biden. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       (laughs)

   21. JDJimmy Dore17:00

       That's it. The, the biggest tool of Wall Street, that's why Chuck Schumer is the leader, by the way. Chuck Schumer's not the leader because he's a leader that people wanna follow. Chuck Schumer's the leader because Wall Street gives him the most cash that he then divvies out to the rest of the senators. And that's why he's the leader, because they need his cash and he's the biggest puppet of Wall Street. But that's why Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are president and vice president. Wall Street first picked Kamala Harris on Martha's Vineyard. There, that was her, their first pick. They thought they had another Obama, because if you remember, Obama was the darling of Wall Street. In fact, his entire cabinet came from an email that was g- given to him from Citigroup. We now know that from WikiLeaks, right? So and everybody in that email from Citigroup ended up in Barack Obama... Barack Obama got more money from Wall Street than John McCain when he ran. People forget that. So they're the ones who are choosing who our president and vice president are. We don't have real elections. We get select-ance. We have selections, right? So they picked, uh, Kamala Harris. Turns out Kamala Harris couldn't get a goddamn vote. She couldn't get a vote or a, or a delegate. Nobody liked her. So, uh, they switched-

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:01

       Well, Tulsi Gabbard kind of put the, the screws in the back, right?

   23. JDJimmy Dore18:04

       He hurt her. She hurt her. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       Yeah. She hurt her bad in that debate.

   25. JDJimmy Dore18:07

       But I mean, it was, I, I mean, I think Kamala Harris was just transparent. I think people saw she was nothing and she... anyway...So they went to their next person, their next most reliable guy. Who's that? Joe Biden is the most reliable guy from Wall Street. He's the guy who criminalized bankruptcy. He made it f- if you get medical debt, now you can't get rid of it. I mean, he did everything he could for, for Wall Street and he's done it. He's no friend of the working man, Joe Biden, obviously. And so that's how we got Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. They're Wall Street's number one and number two. And that's what happens, and so, uh, we don't have elections, we do have selections, and this idea that voting Democrat... You know, Joe Biden, you hear... I was told that you have to, uh, vote for Joe Biden because of kids in cages. Well, the kids are still in cages, Joe. I don't know if you know that, but I guess they should be honored that they are being caged by the lesser of two evils.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       Well, you can't film them now, which is very strange. Where they try to stop people from filming them.

   27. JDJimmy Dore18:59

       So it's just censorship now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       Yeah.

   29. JDJimmy Dore19:01

       That's all they have now-

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:02

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   But this is not…

   1. JDJimmy Dore30:00

      Assad and S- and I- Iran are-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      But this is not in any way, shape, or form saying Assad's a good guy?

   3. JDJimmy Dore30:04

      N- no.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Right.

   5. JDJimmy Dore30:05

      No. N- no. It's w- name a head of a country that is. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Right. So, Assad-

   7. JDJimmy Dore30:09

      You know the United States is running a torture program right now in Guantanamo Bay-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      It's what I heard.

   9. JDJimmy Dore30:13

      ... as we're trying to put sanctions on Cuba.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       Yeah.

   11. JDJimmy Dore30:15

       So they're putting sanctions on Cuba because they don't, they don't take care of their people enough and, "We care, we care about the Cuban people!" At the ... And I'm like, they talk about sanctions, which are murderous, right? People can't get their diabetic, diabetes medicine. They can't get heart tr- uh, um, uh, operations because we have these sanctions on them and people talk about sanctions on Cuba like it's a kitchen remodel. It's like, "Yeah, just get a little white vinegar on that populous. Rub it out." It's f- unfucking believable. So, uh, w- w- j- so yeah, so Assad is not a good guy. Joe Biden, not a good ... Horrible guy. Running a torture program. The United States is the biggest penal colony in America. We imprison black and brown people at unbelievable rates. We are the terrorists in the rest of the world. We turned Libya into a failed state. We are just ramping up bombings in Afghanistan. Today's headline in USA Today, uh, we did Iraq.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       I wanna hear all this, but I wanna ... I don't wanna go too far off of Syria.

   13. JDJimmy Dore31:06

       So getting back to Syria.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Because I wanna, I wanna-

   15. JDJimmy Dore31:07

       So getting back to Syria, is, is, is they had all these terrorists, literal terrorists, uh, funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, those kind of types of people, and the CIA, uh, trying to overthrow Assad. Now Assad beat them. And so the reason why they would stage these fake gas attacks was because they wanted the United States to have a reason to join them and overthrow Assad, because the American people already told Barack Obama-

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Right.

   17. JDJimmy Dore31:31

       ... "We don't want-"

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       But when you say-

   19. JDJimmy Dore31:33

       So they would stage these-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       ... "stage fake gas attacks." What exactly was done and how do we know what was done?

   21. JDJimmy Dore31:38

       So we know what was done because of the OPCW whistle blowers. So the OPCW-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       What does, what does that stand for? OP-

   23. JDJimmy Dore31:43

       The, the, um ... For the prevention of chemical weapons, right? So the organization for the prevention of chemical weapons. I'm pretty sure that that's what that stands for. Or for the prohibition something. Prohibition of chemical weap- OPCW, right? So that's the official organization that goes and it's gonna ... And they're supposed to be independent and it turns out they've been, being influenced by NATO and western government powers and we found this out because of the OPCW. So they went in, they go in to do the initial investigation to see where the gas attack, whether it's real, who did it, all this stuff. So the, uh, engineering report, um, got suppressed. The engineering report said, "This didn't happen." It said, "This whate- this cylinder was placed there. It wasn't dropped from the sky. It didn't happen." They suppressed those reports. So anything that was in the, the fr- initial OPCW report that debunked the gas attack narrative, uh, got suppressed. And so then these whistle blowers came out and this guy, Aaron Mate, who's a great journalist, works at the Grayzone, he, uh, highlighted this and he's testified in front of the UN about this and he's caught all these people at the OPCW lying and suppressing stuff. And nobody in the American mainstream press will cover this. Nobody's writing their article on Syria. A- Aaron Mate's written at least 10 articles detailing what happened in Syria. No one's written an article to debunk one thing he's written. Not anybody. So what this is, is we're trying to overthrow another Goddamn government in the Middle East, just like we did in Iraq, just like we did in Libya, and now we're trying to do it in Syria. And if you remember General, uh, uh, W- Wesley Clark-

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       Yes.

   25. JDJimmy Dore33:12

       ... was on Democracy Now! I don't know if you've ever seen this video-

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:15

       Yeah, I've seen it. It's amazing.

   27. JDJimmy Dore33:16

       So he said after 9/11, he went into the Pentagon and his buddy called him in and he goes, "Hey look. What, what are we doing? We're going to war in Iraq." And he's like, "Why are we going to war in Iraq?" And he said, "I don't know, but we, you know, we got a big military and we can take out governments."

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       We, we should play this. I've played it before, but we should play it so that this is a standalone podcast so people can listen to this and listen to-

   29. JDJimmy Dore33:35

       General Wesley Clark say, and, and this-

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:36

       A hugely respected general-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Blow up a drone…

   1. JDJimmy Dore45:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Blow up a drone jetliner.

   3. JDJimmy Dore45:01

      And blow up a jetliner.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      They were gonna blow up a jet with no one in it. They were gonna pretend there was people in it.

   5. JDJimmy Dore45:05

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      And- and say, oh, well, in the '60s, you could just say a bunch of people died-

   7. JDJimmy Dore45:08

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      ... and there was no real way-

   9. JDJimmy Dore45:09

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:09

       ... of knowing. They were gonna arm Cuban friendlies and use them to attack Guantanamo Bay. And there was al- this was all to motivate people to be- to go to war with Cuba.

   11. JDJimmy Dore45:18

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       Uh-

   13. JDJimmy Dore45:18

       And why did they wanna go to war with Cuba? Well, because you can't have a successful socialist country 90 miles away from the United States. You can't have a successful socialist country in Central America, South America, and that's why we've done everything we've done. Uh, you can't have it, and that's why we have to make... If- if there's a... You know, in Venezuela, for instance, uh, turns out Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia. Did you know that?

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       What?

   15. JDJimmy Dore45:45

       Yeah. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia. When I found that out, I knew it was just a matter of time before we were gonna bring some democracy to their people.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       (scoffs)

   17. JDJimmy Dore45:53

       And that's what we're doing. We're gonna try and bring that Juan Guaidó, the whole thing. And so again, uh, uh, is Maduro, uh, the greatest guy in the world? Doesn't matter.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       No.

   19. JDJimmy Dore46:03

       Doesn't mat-

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Right.

   21. JDJimmy Dore46:03

       It's not up to me to decide.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:05

       Yeah.

   23. JDJimmy Dore46:05

       And they have a socialist government, and he- they have pulled, uh, peop- their government, their socialist government pulled people out of poverty and that... And so we don't want- we can't have that in the United States 'cause we're run by capitalists. We have a completely captured government. Uh, it's a rapacious oligarchy. Why do you think when COVID happened, the first thing they did, the first thing they did was they engineered an upward transfer of wealth of $5 trillion, the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history? That's how they fixed COVID. They didn't fix COVID. They just looted the Treasury and gave it to the richest thousand motherfuckers in the country and, uh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       But they did it under the guise of keeping the economy rolling.

   25. JDJimmy Dore46:43

       Yeah, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:44

       And it seemed like a good idea at the time.

   27. JDJimmy Dore46:45

       No, no, no.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       The thing that disturbed me-

   29. JDJimmy Dore46:46

       It seemed like a good idea because the media wanted to present it as a good idea. It wasn't a good idea. I knew it wasn't a good idea. I had, uh, il-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       But do you think the media was aware that it wasn't a good idea? Because I think they thought-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:05:02

   I remember that. …

   1. JDJimmy Dore1:00:00

      him.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      I remember that.

   3. JDJimmy Dore1:00:01

      I ... A- all I did was I ... And I started off the interview by saying, "I don't know anything about the Boogaloo Bois. I am not endorsing a Boogaloo Boi. I am not ... I don't know anything about it. But I saw this guy give a speech at the state capital in Michigan, and I wanna have him on just pick his brain." And so, I brought him on, and I just ... I interviewed him. And it turned out he ... That the ... Certain fractions of the Boogaloo Bois that he belongs to, they were started because they were a reaction to the Proud Boys, and they were anti-racist. And one of the things that you had to be in a Boogaloo Boi was you couldn't be racist. That ... I didn't know that. Uh, he also said he was providing security for the Black Lives Matter protestors. That's, that's been documented. They did that. Uh, he's also, uh, pro-LGBTQ.I was like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

      So wait. So what exactly ... What do they stand for?

   5. JDJimmy Dore1:00:45

      I told him, "You guys are fucking nuts." So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

      Right.

   7. JDJimmy Dore1:00:47

      But he's a gun guy. He loves guns.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      They wear Hawaiian shirts, right?

   9. JDJimmy Dore1:00:49

      They wear Hawaiian shirts and they love guns, but they're-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       You can't wear Hawaiian shirts anymore because people think you're a Boogaloo Boy.

   11. JDJimmy Dore1:00:54

       Right. They think you're a Boogaloo ... So, but, but, but the Boogaloo Boys were anti-Trump, anti-cop, per- police brutality, anti-imperialism, antiwar, pro-LGBT and pro ... That's what that guy told me. Now, is every B- there's no coalition. There's no central-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Right.

   13. JDJimmy Dore1:01:08

       But, so the faction that he was in was a part ... And so I reached out to that guy, right? And I, and I had ... The next guy came out, he goes, "What are you doing platforming that guy?" I go, "You mean I interviewed somebody?" He-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Right.

   15. JDJimmy Dore1:01:18

       I go, "What's your message to that guy?" I go, "That guy is being crushed by capitalism right now because the COVID lockdown, he didn't have a job, he didn't know what to do." And I go, "That guy, you gotta have a message for that guy." And he goes, "I don't have a message for that guy." I go, "Well, that's why nobody ever fucking heard of you."

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Well, it's also-

   17. JDJimmy Dore1:01:32

       "And you're a shitty organizer."

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       The problem with any kind of organization that anybody could join, whether it's the Boogaloo Boys or anybody, you could start off good. You could start off with a good intention and then you'll get co-opted by the government. Someone'll come in-

   19. JDJimmy Dore1:01:43

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       And they'll have fake-

   21. JDJimmy Dore1:01:44

       Infiltrators.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       ... people. Yeah, they'll have infiltrators.

   23. JDJimmy Dore1:01:45

       That's right. And have you do all kinds of-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Agent provocateurs. They'll come in-

   25. JDJimmy Dore1:01:48

       That's right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       And they'll pretend they're a part of your organization-

   27. JDJimmy Dore1:01:51

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       And they'll start lighting buildings on fire.

   29. JDJimmy Dore1:01:52

       Yes, right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       Smashing windows.

Episode duration: 2:55:51