EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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Intro
- YPYannis Pappas
(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Hey, Yannis Pappas. How are you doing, my friend?
- YPYannis Pappas
Joe. Good. How you doing?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, I'm doing good.
- YPYannis Pappas
Good. Good to see you again.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you too, brother. What's-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... what's crackalackin'?
- YPYannis Pappas
Not much, man. Just, you know, trying to dodge this delta.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, or the gamma, or whatever the fuck-
- YPYannis Pappas
The gamma, the rays.
- JRJoe Rogan
... whatever. Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. The delta, the alpha.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's wild out there.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's wild out there.
- YPYannis Pappas
It's wild,
- 0:30 – 1:35
Vaccines
- YPYannis Pappas
yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's hard to know what's- what's right and what's wrong. Some people say, "Don't worry about it. The delta's- it's less dangerous, but more contagious." And then some people say, "No, no, no. People are getting really sick."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah. No, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Vaccinated people are getting s- in Europe, in, not in Europe, but in Israel there was a- a study that was released. It was something like, you know, they're- they're like the most vaccinated country, Israel is apparently. I think they have somewhat close to, I'll read it here, I think it's close to like 90% of the people have been vaccinated, and so now they have, uh, a lot of people that are in the hospital that are vaccinated.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, 'cause I guess the more people that get vaccinated, the more people will have those breakthrough, um, infections. What I love about now is like, I- I- I have an opinion on it.
- JRJoe Rogan
80%.
- YPYannis Pappas
80%.
- JRJoe Rogan
80% of all COVID patients previously vaccinated in the hospital.
- YPYannis Pappas
Wow, I thought that was like, uh, corrected to like 40%.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know, it's just weird.
- YPYannis Pappas
It's right there.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know.
- YPYannis Pappas
If it's on the phone, it's gotta be true.
- JRJoe Rogan
Must be.
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) It must be true at this point, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is- is it Fauci approved?
- YPYannis Pappas
If it's Fauci approved-
- JRJoe Rogan
If it's got the stamp?
- YPYannis Pappas
... yeah, I don't know. I mean, hey, if this thing comes back, uh, just be podcasting.
- 1:35 – 9:00
Guns
- YPYannis Pappas
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, just lock down and have HEPA filters everywhere and-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you know? I mean, like March of 2020, I remember thinking like this could be some Mad Max, like Road Warrior type shit where the streets are empty and- and then when they started looting, that was one of the things that really freaked me out, the looting in LA, when no one was doing anything about it, when they were smashing windows, running into stores and stealing clothes and shit.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah, and, uh, who knows? That could come back. That could come back again, round two.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, for sure.
- YPYannis Pappas
Just like me coming back here, ding ding, round two. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not- it's not likely gonna happen around here.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's far too many firearms.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is- this is the good thing about over-armed places. (laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not- they're not good places to loot.
- YPYannis Pappas
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- YPYannis Pappas
I- I bet you there's a lot of people who are on the left who are rethinking the Second Amendment and their view on it just because the context has changed. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
My own friends-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... friends that were very anti-gun were asking me to borrow guns.
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
When the shit started hitting the fan in LA-
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, they were asking to borrow guns. And I was like, "You can't borrow a gun."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause if you shoot someone with the borrowed gun, I am in trouble.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And especially in LA 'cause there's weird laws, like I don't even think you're allowed to shoot someone in your home unless you're in danger, and then you have to prove that you're in danger.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, then you have to-
- JRJoe Rogan
I think.
- 9:00 – 11:15
Wilding Kids
- YPYannis Pappas
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, well, pre-pandemic, I don't know what it's like now, 'cause uh, I had, um, Hamilton Morris on, he's, um, from Hamilton's Pharmacopia, he's a drug expert. He's a really fascinating guy. But he was telling me it's very dark. He's like, "I go running," and he goes, "and there's like dog shit everywhere 'cause no one's picking up their dog shit, and stacks of garbage." And like all the, the s- public utilities have kind of lacked, so a lot of the garbage pickup is not as good as it used to be and he goes, "And it's kinda dangerous." He's like, "It's not what it used to be, just a year and a half ago."
- YPYannis Pappas
I was just telling Jaime before, it's like, uh, it's starting to feel like the Brooklyn that I grew up in. You're starting to hear crimes that are similar to the ones from the '80s, which were just like wilding kids. I remember there was just like wilding kids.
- JRJoe Rogan
I remember them.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The term wilding.
- YPYannis Pappas
They used to call them wilding kids, like feral kids, wilding kids, and it was true. There'd be just like a pack of kids. You'd turn a corner, there was kids there, you would just like, you just took your hat off and gave it to them. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
You just took your Nautica jacket off and you like folded it up for them like you were g- gift wrapping at Macy's and just handed it. And uh, it just, you were robbed and there was just packs of kids. And recently, this, this uh, off-duty firefighter was like attacked by like 40 kids who were just like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that the guy with the dog?
- YPYannis Pappas
He was with the dog, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was in a park.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
In Queens.
- JRJoe Rogan
What was the story behind that?
- YPYannis Pappas
The story was just wilding kids.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- YPYannis Pappas
They just did it to, uh, to be wilding. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- YPYannis Pappas
I think they screamed... The, the slogans they were saying were kind of like that, "It's fight night." It's just like, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
They beat the fuck out of that poor guy.
- YPYannis Pappas
They beat the fuck out of kid and just cops are like... I, I, I have a cop who lives close to me where I live and he's like, he was on the plainclothes unit that they kind of disbanded, which was stupid. And now he's like doing something else and, uh, you know, he, he's, he's like, "Look, cops, their morale is down. They don't wanna, they don't wanna do it."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
"Everyone hates them, they don't wanna risk it. Somebody starts running, they're like, 'I'm not gonna chase this guy.'"
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- YPYannis Pappas
Because like, you know, he turns around and he throws a camera or so he reaches for some... You know, it's just-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
... they don't want to deal with it and they feel like everyone hates them right now, so it's like that's scary. Like if you call 911 and they just like take their time because they're not-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 11:15 – 13:05
Perception of Society
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a lot of that going on. And I don't know how that gets fixed in any short period of time. I think that's a long-term recovery project, if at all. Like it's real weird because I've nev- I've never seen such a dip in our society before as during this pandemic. And some of it's understandable, but some of it is like, it's a, a perception, the, the perception of the police, the perception of society at large, it's just very different than it's ever been before.
- YPYannis Pappas
I, I think it has a lot to do with us adapting to the internet, like, and technology. It's fairly new and everyone's getting their information from charismatic people who wanna be on camera.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- YPYannis Pappas
Whereas like the really smart, nuanced people, like those old school mob bosses who were, you know, they, you know, you get caught if you're flaunting yourself John Gotti style.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
But like, you know, the, the people who are behind the scenes, like doctors, politicians, like those are the people who are in it-... doing it and, you know, we used to have Walter Cronkites and Edward R. Murrows, and now we got guys just going up there on internet, like, with their phone and making these categorical j- uh, like, charismatic statements. And people that are really like kind of, uh, they're simplified-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- YPYannis Pappas
... and, uh, just, just really, like, generalized and people are just following them. And now we've become, like, two full countries that hate each other. It used to be, like, you know, you, at time of war or something, you kind of, you came together a little bit to support whoever the guy is in office. Now it's like there's people who wouldn't support Biden at all no matter what. I mean, even if, like, China was storming Malibu and, like, you know, set up their captain's quarters in Reese Witherspoon's, like, beach home-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... we'd still be, like, hating each other and, like, we're so dis- disjointed and disunified. It's... And I think it's 'cause of we're online.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that's
- 13:05 – 15:03
People Being Charismatic
- JRJoe Rogan
a big part, part of it, and I also think what you're saying about, uh, people being charismatic is very true. That these charismatic, influential people that are getting attention from posting outrageous things online constantly, uh, posting things about either the left or the right, like, how pathetic they are and how foolish they are and how arrogant they are and, and just making these really polarized teams. And I don't, you know, I mean, I don't, I don't subscribe to that. I know you don't subscribe to that kind of shit. It's dumb. It's like there's, there's great people on both sides. There's, there's people that have a lot of opinions that I don't agree with at all, but then I agree with them on many things. And I like to just treat people like people and think of their ideas as individuals, uh, individual ideas. I don't want a collective group of ideas that I have to subscribe to.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, I think that's a real problem with people, whether you're on the left or the right. You know, you could predict... Like, if you can ask someone a very... real specific questions, like, "How do you feel about gun control? How do you feel about The Second Amendment? Do you think it's important?" Their answer can tell you how they feel about abortion, how they feel about immigration, how they feel about whether the election was valid. They, uh... It's just go down the line with one question.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's wild.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, and it's sad.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
It's sad 'cause you should, like you said, I mean, it's like, uh, uh, the Second Amendment was t- totally different from abortion, totally different from gay marriage.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
And, like, it's sad that you can ask one question, you can predict, uh, and with probably great deal of accuracy, what those people are gonna say based on that one answer because they've, they've drawn their lines and they're towing this line now and people are so far apart. And then you're right. When you speak to them in person and have a long conversation with them, you find out even though they may lean on this side or lean on that side, most people are pretty reasonable. You know, they care about their family, they care about their money, you know, and politics used to be about that. "Hey, it, it's, it's, it's, it's the money, stupid," or whatever that expression was like. "It's the economy, stupid."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
'Cause, like, whether you're on the right or the left, at the end of the day, you're about yourself.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I think one
- 15:03 – 19:05
The Social Dilemma
- JRJoe Rogan
big point about what you're saying about these influential people too is they v- they benefit from strife, they benefit from conflict. And so instead of uniters like Martin Luther King Jr., you have the opposite. You have people that literally benefit from people being divided. They benefit from calling people out or yelling people down or, you know, ju- getting, getting conflict going. Like, that, that gets them more views. I mean, that's what's going on with Facebook, that's what the, the algorithms that people are complaining about that, that are l- literally accelerating our path towards some sort of civil war.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see The Social Dilemma?
- YPYannis Pappas
I did see The Social Dilemma.
- JRJoe Rogan
Scary shit, right?
- YPYannis Pappas
Scary shit. And I tell you what I was watching actually on the plane was this, uh... Do you remember the Duke lacrosse players?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- YPYannis Pappas
Do you remember that story?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Tell... Expre- Explain it to people.
- YPYannis Pappas
Oh, dude. The Duke lacrosse players.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
So the whole media, uh, had kind of indicted these guys and they loaded the story with, you know, class and race and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Explain the story to people.
- YPYannis Pappas
It was a bunch of lacrosse players, they had a party, right? A b- a bunch of guys had a party at their house. Yeah, they're uppity white guys. They play lacrosse.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
So it's like nobody comes from the ghetto and plays lacrosse.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
So you know that they're arrogant white guys who probably, m- you know, their father may have like a third... They definitely have a portrait in the foyer of like-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
... "This is my uncle. His ties go back to England," or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
So they're douches. We get it. But, um, they had a party and somebody, uh, hired some strippers. And the strippers that came were like two, um, POCs. They were POs. I'm try- yeah, POC. And, uh, one of them was-
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot of people listening, like, "Ugh."
- YPYannis Pappas
POCs are people who, um, historically disenfranchised, a little darker melanin tones.
- JRJoe Rogan
People of color.
- YPYannis Pappas
People of color. People of color.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yes.
- YPYannis Pappas
Um, and so they came, they stripped, but the girl, they only stripped for like five minutes and the girl was saying weird stuff and, um, then they got mad. The, the guys got mad 'cause they felt like they were getting, uh, conned, that they didn't get their, their lap dance worth or whatever, their dancing worth. And then something went awry and then the girl called the cops and said, "I was assaulted." And then from there, it became a big story and it ended up that the prosecutor was withhel- withholding, um, exculpatory evidence that would have exonerated knowingly. I mean, he ended up getting disbarred and doing time 'cause of this and, uh, and you look back now and you're going like, "That guy was doing exactly what online personalities do now."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- YPYannis Pappas
It's like, "This is good for me."
- 19:05 – 21:40
Make Money Off The News
- JRJoe Rogan
- YPYannis Pappas
That's the problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
The problem is once the narrative gets out there, any, any ... If, if there's some sort of a correction in the newspaper a couple weeks later, it's always on, like, the fourth page-
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the lower right-hand corner, "Sorry, we ... The amendment to the story-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... turns out nobody raped anybody. Whoops."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. "Sorry the whole-"
- JRJoe Rogan
"Sorry we ruined your life forever."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. "But we sold a lot of papers with that, so..." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that is a, a real issue. The re- a real, here's a real question. Should you be able to make money off the news?
- YPYannis Pappas
It's a good question, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a good question because if you can make money off the news, then all of a sudden the news becomes a show. And the more outrageous you can get it, the more clickbaity you can get it, the more you can sort of jazz up the headlines and distort the story, the more you're gonna get people to tune in. If it bleeds, it leads.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let's go.
- YPYannis Pappas
I remember when I was working for Fusion, which was, like, a short-lived, uh, company and, uh, that was owned by Disney and, um, Univision. It lasted, like, a year. It was totally, like, they tried to build a big studio in Miami, and they were trying to target millennials. But by that time, like, everything was on the phone, people were watching you, and it was like, it was just a waste of money. But I remember one of their slogans was like, "Start a fight." And I was like, "Ah."
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, 'cause my co- two, my two cohosts were journalists and it was run by journalists, and I was like the comedic guy that, you know, they, oh, they had me in a corner and they opened it up and I came in and I was like, "Woo-ha" to make people laugh, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) But I was working with, like, a Peabody Award-winning journalist, uh, you know, Maria, Mariana Atencio and Pedro, uh, Andrade, uh, Andrade. He's, uh, they, he was, um, from Brazil and they were two serious journalists. And, uh, you know, the, the, when they, the executive producer started out, it was like, "Pick a fight. Always look to pick a fight." And I'm like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- YPYannis Pappas
... "That sucks. That sucks."
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. That should be happening in MMA with the matchmakers, not w- your news.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's hard to hear.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Pick a fight.
- YPYannis Pappas
Pick a fight because it gets ratings. People love the drama. They love it. I mean, if you turned on a real reality TV show, it would just be like a couple guys sitting around, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Picking their nose, changing channels, but then-
- 21:40 – 23:25
Theo Vaughn
- JRJoe Rogan
problem with those guys is that you make them more of a mess by shining the camera on them and then you make them famous. Didn't he, like, lose his marbles after he got off that show? 'Cause he was, like, one of the most famous guys from The Real World-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... other than Theo Von.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or was he on Road Rules?
- YPYannis Pappas
Uh, no.
- JRJoe Rogan
The- Theo was on Road Rules, right?
- YPYannis Pappas
No, Theo was i- Theo was in one of The Houses.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was in The Real World?
- YPYannis Pappas
He was, yeah.
- NANarrator
No, no. Well, yeah. He, he was on Road Rules and then he was in The Challenge, which sort of is, like, the living experience at The House.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh-
- NANarrator
But-
- JRJoe Rogan
... so it's two different-
- NANarrator
... yeah, both. He was on multiple shows for those.
- JRJoe Rogan
Theo Von.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. He's the only dude probably to make it out of there.
- JRJoe Rogan
100%.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And be legit.
- YPYannis Pappas
Be legit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I mean, he's a fucking legit comic.
- YPYannis Pappas
He's a funny dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's funny.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's fucking funny.
- YPYannis Pappas
And he's-
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that dude kills me.
- YPYannis Pappas
And he's funny solo, which is-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 23:25 – 24:53
Substack
- YPYannis Pappas
Well, there's a d- I think there's a, um, a shining l- light to that. There's like a, there's, there's a, there's a way out of this, and I think it's Substack. A lot of these, like, legitimate journalists are no longer with these papers that are interested in doing that, and they're gravitating towards Substack and they have people pay for actual journalism. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so there's like, there's, there's a new wave of legit journalists on Substack that are just, people subscribe to it and they can choose to subscribe or not subscribe. You pay or you don't pay, you know? It's like, it's your choice. But in doing so, these people have cultivated a group of people that are actually looking for real journalism.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's interesting.
- YPYannis Pappas
It is. I think, uh, that was the problem is the media probably just didn't adapt to the digital age.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
They stepped, they kept making papers and then they started giving the articles away for free.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yup.
- YPYannis Pappas
And then in order to get clicks, you had to make the, the, uh, headlines into, like, car crashes to get-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... people's attention, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
You have to.
- YPYannis Pappas
You know like from doing comedy, ir- it's the same thing in, when you're doing comedy, when you're doing like an open mic or a free show.... the audience doesn't respect it.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's true.
- YPYannis Pappas
They come in, they, you do those college shows, they, they yawn, they come in in flip-flops, they suck their teeth at you.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
You know, they don't care. They didn't pay. They didn't, they, you're, you're-
- JRJoe Rogan
They're not invested.
- YPYannis Pappas
You're not invested in it, and you're, you're attracting an audience that is apathetic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
They're not there for the show, but, uh, yeah, if you, if you pay for the journalism, you can take that money away if it's not good. You go, you know, take it away.
- 24:53 – 26:08
Free Shows
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's an interesting i- thing, isn't it, about those free shows, paper shows?
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're, the audience, the way they feel is so different.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Shorter attention span, not really that interested, and they're just not invested in the show.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. You ju- you don't respect something if you don't pay for it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Unfortunately, it's true.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. It's true. But, um, you know, that's a good, that's a, it's like Patreon. Like, comedy doesn't happen on television anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
That's not comedy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that wild?
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, it's wild. But comedy is happening on podcasts, on the internet, and Patreon is, like, the purest, it's probably the purest system, the, the subscriber model, that comedians and entertainers have ever had. It's the s- same that, model that Netflix has, same model that HBO has, and it proves that that model probably is better than the other models 'cause HBO, for a while, has been making more money than all the networks combined-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... because of their dumb pilot system where they make those pilots and spend all that money and then jettison those shows that didn't work. Whereas HBO, it's like, "Hey, we make the shows that we wanna make. You pay the money. And, uh, y- you know, if you don't like it, you leave. If you like it..." And that's why they were free to be uncensored and push the envelope and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... now that's happening online with Patreon. Patreon.com/yannilongdays.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah,
- 26:08 – 28:35
Patreon
- JRJoe Rogan
it is, um, it's a, there's a new era in, in that respect, but th- but Patreon will delete you. That's the problem. They, they can decide that you're problematic.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they've done that with people before, right?
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat) They've done that with people, you know, where it was, uh, very arguable whether or not what they did was bad or not.
- YPYannis Pappas
That's the issue.
- JRJoe Rogan
You need something where the people get to decide and not a corporation. You're not going through a filter like Patreon.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So how do you do that? I think, I think Sam Harris doesn't use Patreon. I think he does it straight through his website. I think his donations... He's an interesting cat, man. Uh, and the way he does his podcast, you, it's, he does a subscriber-based podcast, but he doesn't ever want anyone to not get the content if they can't afford it. So, all you have to do is send an email to him saying that you can't afford it, and he'll give you a free subscription. And 100% of all those requests are accepted.
- YPYannis Pappas
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. But he still does well.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's still doing really well.
- YPYannis Pappas
Because people wanna give.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, because it's really good.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
His insight is fantastic. He's a really brilliant guy. But the way he's doing it is all through hi- his... First of all, w- there's not a corporation in the world that would do that, would say, "If you can't afford it, send an email, we'll give it to you for free."
- YPYannis Pappas
Right, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he does it.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it's an, he's got a weird, uh, business model, but it works for him.
- YPYannis Pappas
In-
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm pretty sure he does it all through his website.
- YPYannis Pappas
Radiohead doesn't get enough quedit, uh, credit, quedit-
- JRJoe Rogan
Quedit?
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) Quedit. Wabbits.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wascally wabbit. (laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) .
- 28:35 – 29:42
Adam Curry
- JRJoe Rogan
Curry has a si- similar situation, right? He allows, you could pay whatever you want. Isn't it? I think Adam's is free. Is it free? Or is it you could pay whatever you want? I think you can pay whatever you want. And some people pay a dollar, and some people, he's like, some people pay you a lot of money.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They just say, "This is a great show. I wanna support it." You know?
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, uh, there's some purity to that, you know?
- YPYannis Pappas
Big time.
- JRJoe Rogan
There, there really is. It's, uh, it's, it's, it's a nice business model where you have, like, a real, like, Adam, in particular, has a real relationship with his fans.
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It's like, there, it's, there, it works out.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, everybody agrees. You know, and he's, he does not waver.
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he does not censor himsh- himself. He's, he's always telling you fucking, the straight dope, w- no matter what or how uncomfortable or how weird the conversation is.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. Yeah. And that, and that, that model's pure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Straight to the fans. No middle man, no, uh, corporate, uh, you know, ethics office or whatever. And people crave that. People want that. And that, that's why the succ- uh, the success of that model is, is the success that it is because people want it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
And, and you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they realize the opposite
- 29:42 – 31:14
Corporate censored information
- JRJoe Rogan
is dangerous. When you have corporate-censored information and you're not getting the full unbiased story, you're getting a filtered-down story that has been decided upon by a bunch of executives. They have, say, "Well, we're gonna leave th-..." And, you know, much like what you were talking about with the prosecuting attorney, who was gonna leave out some information that would make us look bad or make the story look bad, and let's, let's steer it in a certain direction.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're not gonna lie, but we're gonna eliminate some stuff that would throw into question whether or not w- our story is, is accurate.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. And people see through it now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Uh, uh, uh, a lot of the reason is podcasts like yours where you're like, "Hey, I'll let a guy talk for four hours. You know, you could tune in when you want, tune in for as long as you want. It's on you, but I'm gonna let him talk, and, um, there's, I'm not beholden to-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
"... you know, some peacock logo or..." You know, you, you're beholden to probably a few-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
... pew, few vitamins and a few weights.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- NANarrator
But they never give you advice.
- YPYannis Pappas
Which are good for you.
- JRJoe Rogan
They are good for you.
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
They never give you advice, though.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Never get advice from the vitamin companies.
- YPYannis Pappas
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- YPYannis Pappas
Should I get the oni- uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
I'll get it for you. What do you want?
- YPYannis Pappas
... when you jerk off, that, that, when you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Jerk-off stuff? What are you talking about?
- YPYannis Pappas
No, when you jerk, that, that jerk-off motion?
- JRJoe Rogan
Kettlebells? Is that what you're saying?
- YPYannis Pappas
Kettlebells. You can tell I don't really work out.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
The jerk-off motion thing.
- 31:14 – 35:04
Kettlebell cardio workout
- YPYannis Pappas
- JRJoe Rogan
No. The, the key is, like, you can get a really good workout with a 35-pound kettlebell.
- YPYannis Pappas
All right.
- JRJoe Rogan
A really good full body workout. There's a great video called, uh, Extreme Kettlebell Cardio Workout. It's, um, uh, Keith Weber, and he's a guy who's been on the podcast before, and he's, uh ... I have no affiliation with him other than he's great. He's just a great guy. In his, uh, video, you use one 35-pound kettlebell and it'll fucking crush you. It's incredible.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
In the beginning you're doing like, "This is easy. I can fucking do this all day long."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
30 seconds later, you're like, "Oh, this is gonna be a problem."
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"This is gonna be ... " And then four minutes later, you're like, "Fuck." The next day you can barely walk. It's incredible.
- YPYannis Pappas
'Cause you're using your whole body, right? Like you have to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Using your whole body.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's, it's a cardio workout.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, but it is, it's a strength-producing workout too, and it, it ... The thing about things like kettlebells are, they strengthen everything. It strengthens your stabilizing muscles, your balance, all your joints, it all, all that stuff all works together because it's all working together as one unit. You, you're not just bench-pressing or curling.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're doing something where the whole body is involved in the exercise.
- YPYannis Pappas
They could clip that-
- JRJoe Rogan
I love-
- YPYannis Pappas
... and make that the commercial right there.
- JRJoe Rogan
I love them.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I love them. It's my primary means of working out. If you could tell me I could only have two pieces of equipment, I would say, "I want a 50-pound kettlebell and a chin-up bar." That's all I want. I'll be good with that.
- YPYannis Pappas
And a nice bath maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
And a nice bath.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, you've been doing good with that. Up to 20, you did 20 minutes?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I'm not doing that again.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I had a headache all day yesterday. The day before I did it-
- 35:04 – 36:32
Challenging yourself
- JRJoe Rogan
things, challenging yourself, making yourself more resilient, mentally resilient. That's just my, my thoughts on it. Uh, CBD is good for anxiety too. That's, uh, that's proven. Some, some people think that anxiety is, uh, connected to a lack of rigorous exercise. Some people think it's connected to inflammation. Some people ... There's, I mean, there's a lot of thoughts on that. And I think the problem with anybody giving anyone a diagnosis is each human being has an individual level of anxiety that's impossible to determine. Like, I could weigh you and I know how much you weigh. I can't weigh your anxiety.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I mean? It's like, you say, "Hey, doctor, I'm, I'm fucking anxious. I have all this anxiety, I'm freaking out." Doctor doesn't know what that means. Like, what, is, is your anxiety legitimate?
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, maybe someone's trying to kill you.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, maybe, uh, maybe you should be anxious.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or maybe you're just fucking really chemically imbalanced.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe you could alleviate that with exercise or maybe you can't. Maybe you need medication. So no one really knows you other than you.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. Right. I guess the only thing they, they start to get a sense of your level ag- of anxiety if you start saying like, "The Mossad's out to get me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you start saying-
- YPYannis Pappas
"I'm Queen Elizabeth reincarnated."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, "I come from alien DNA, they visit me regularly."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine if you did. Imagine if the, you really were an alien hybrid and nobody wanted to listen and you're like, "I'm telling you guys."
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. That would be hilarr- that would be something that the aliens would do just for entertainment.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well,
- 36:32 – 38:47
Charisma
- JRJoe Rogan
it would be really hard to convince someone of anything extraordinary. Really hard to convince someone of any- that you're, you're involved in anything that's re- really off the deep end crazy.
- YPYannis Pappas
... right. It's ver- it's much easier to convince people of stupid stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
People love that. If you have a little charisma, like, charisma goes a long way, dude. It's like that, uh, Quentin Tarantino from that movie, he's like, "Personality goes a long way." Like, you look at every despot in history, not one of them was a bore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
You can't get a lot of p- They have a lot in common with standup comics. They get up there, control the crowd, bullshit, lie, like we do.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, how about Hitler?
- YPYannis Pappas
Hitler was c- he crushed.
- JRJoe Rogan
He would crush.
- YPYannis Pappas
I would watch those videos. I don't even speak German but you get goosebumps and you're just, you find yourself, y- y- you, you just like, "Whatever he's saying, I'm on, I'm on board."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the thing about Hitler-
- YPYannis Pappas
He means it.
- JRJoe Rogan
He does mean it, and he's enhanced. He's on cocaine, he's on testosterone, he's on meth. He's on a d- a gang of different things.
- YPYannis Pappas
Panzerchocolade I think they called it, right? Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that what they called it?
- YPYannis Pappas
Well, it was like, uh, chocolate. It was meth in chocolate, and they called it Panzerchocolade because they would give it to the guys in the panzer tanks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- YPYannis Pappas
And so they were, those dudes were just... Yeah, th- they were lit.
- JRJoe Rogan
They were lit.
- YPYannis Pappas
They were lit. I don't think you can go to war without being lit, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's probably not wise.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, why would you wanna be... If, if you're definitely gonna go to war, wouldn't you wanna be on meth?
- YPYannis Pappas
Absolutely.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, if, 100%. The only thing I would think is, like, maybe you would make decisions that wouldn't be intelligent.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You wouldn't make wise choices. You would just be a berserker.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. You'd be like, uh, you think, you see Bugs Bunny and you'd just be shooting... Yeah, you'd be tripping.
- 38:47 – 39:22
Chocolate
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Moses-
- NANarrator
Real, uh, before we get too far, that Panzerchocolade thing might not be real.
- YPYannis Pappas
Really?
- NANarrator
I just said this th- that the company that made it, I guess, is a fake image of supposed Panzerchocolade in combination with their trademark. It might've been just with this company's lettering, but they said it was not real.
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm. So they would put, what would, uh, so they, uh, uh, allegedly though, they put meth in chocolate, right?
- NANarrator
Yeah, there was something else I just found that had, had a different name, but then I found what you said.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- NANarrator
So, uh, it might just, might just be what you were saying, that that word might not be real, but they did-
- YPYannis Pappas
Oh.
- NANarrator
... put some, some drug in chocolate.
- YPYannis Pappas
Panzerchocolade.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It says, "However, this Panzerchocolade
- 39:22 – 39:57
The Nazi Regime
- JRJoe Rogan
never existed. Zotter distances itself with all clarity from this branded reputation damaging misrepresentation which establishes a non-existent connection between our company, founded in 1999-
- YPYannis Pappas
Oh, that's, that's different.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and the Nazi regime."
- YPYannis Pappas
This is, like, I guess a company that's saying, like, "Hey, we're y-"
- NANarrator
I, I know, that's what I was trying to say, right? Th- that the actual chocolate drug probably did exist, but the thing with-
- YPYannis Pappas
They didn't call it Panzerchocolade, just to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-l Oh, it's the company Zotter, so you're saying-
- NANarrator
Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying, yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah, Zotter-
- NANarrator
They were saying-
- JRJoe Rogan
... has been refuting it, because they're the company that started in 1999. But a lot of fucking companies
- 39:57 – 40:47
Hitlers Race Car
- JRJoe Rogan
started during Nazi Germany, right?
- YPYannis Pappas
BMW.
- JRJoe Rogan
Audi.
- YPYannis Pappas
Audi.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever see Hitler's race car?
- YPYannis Pappas
Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hitler had an Audi race car, pretty fucking dope.
- YPYannis Pappas
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Looked like a cigar.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like an old school, like a cigar with, like, wheels poking out the side.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You ever see it?
- YPYannis Pappas
I, I don't think I have, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it was, uh, I think it was, eh, either went for auction or something happened a few years back, where, uh... It's a pretty dope looking car. You gotta think, like, for 1940, like, if you saw that thing in 1940, it would be the shit.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know?
- YPYannis Pappas
Well, you'd think the Fuhrer would have the, he'd have the top model. It'd be weird if he rolled around in a Volkswagen.
- NANarrator
I think it's the s- same car with a Mercedes logo and a Audi logo.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah?
- NANarrator
Unless someone's Photoshopping stuff.
- YPYannis Pappas
I mean, that's a, that is a lit mobile right there.
- NANarrator
See, that says 12 million but it has a Audi logo.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow, look how pretty it is.
- YPYannis Pappas
Germans can make cars, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, fuck yeah
- 40:47 – 41:47
Hitlers Auto Union
- JRJoe Rogan
they can.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that thing. That's so pretty.
- YPYannis Pappas
It is.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's, uh, from what year is that? Hitler's racing car. Is, is there a good side profile of it, Jamie? So there's one... Wow, look at that thing.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Rare Nazi era race car on display. Look how fucking pretty that is.
- YPYannis Pappas
That is nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you're driving down the 405 with that bad boy-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
L- look at that right there. Wow. The most expensive car ever. Hitler's Auto Union on the auction block, and that's got the Audi logo on it.
- YPYannis Pappas
So that was his-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- YPYannis Pappas
... was that his particular, like, if you sniffed the seat you're sniffing-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
... where his ass was?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's very different.
- NANarrator
That's a little different, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Um, no, I don't think so. I think he just sponsored, you know, he sponsored race cars. You know, they, they sponsored athletes for the Olympics, they sponsored all that shit, you know.
- YPYannis Pappas
You ever see that, uh, photo of him in the, um, in the stands at the, uh, Olympics when he's tr-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... when he's, like, on meth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Tripping balls.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's video of it.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Tripping balls, like-
- YPYannis Pappas
He looks like a Orthodox Jew at the Wailing Wall.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just tweaking.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- 41:47 – 43:17
Japan
- JRJoe Rogan
that girl, that amazing gymnast who everybody's shitting on-
- YPYannis Pappas
Simone Biles.
- JRJoe Rogan
... k- yeah, 'cause she just bailed on the Olympics-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
She's like, "I can't take anymore." I was just reading that she regularly takes, um, uh, ADHD medication, and they said that she can no longer take it because in Japan you can't take this stuff. She takes Ritalin. Find out if this is true, because if that is the case, they said that d- during the last Olympics, uh, I guess 2016, she took this stuff and she won a bunch of gold medals.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And now, uh, 'cause she's regularly on this.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is her medication.
- YPYannis Pappas
And so they're saying she can't because-
- JRJoe Rogan
Japan.
- YPYannis Pappas
... Japan.
- JRJoe Rogan
Japan is ma- It's illegal to take, uh, whether it's Adderall or Ritalin. I think it's illegal to take those in Japan.
- YPYannis Pappas
So weird-
- JRJoe Rogan
This is what I was reading today.
- YPYannis Pappas
... how cultures have their different-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
I mean, you could, like, buy panties in a vending machine, but-... you can't take Ritalin? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think they're very sensitive to amphetamines because amphetamines and methamphetamines were the reason why the kamikazes were willing to fucking fly their planes-
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... right into boats like ... Nah!
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking gritting their teeth the whole way.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Boom!
- YPYannis Pappas
That's why Lexus probably does so well, 'cause if, like, you mess up at the factory, you have to, like, walk off a plank 'cause of honor. They're into honor.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- YPYannis Pappas
Well, I'm just ... I don't know if that's true, but it is-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs)
- 43:17 – 45:37
Simone Biles
- JRJoe Rogan
cars.
- NANarrator
So this is from the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- NANarrator
... last Olympics.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- YPYannis Pappas
In Brazil.
- JRJoe Rogan
Simone Biles addresses leaked medical records and ADHD misconceptions. US gymnast superstar Simone Biles was in a different kind of spotlight Tuesday after Russian hackers circulated confidential medical reports in the World Anti-Doping Agency database that showed her use of methylfendate, methylphenidate, a stimulant used to treat ADHD. Biles, 19, was forced to publicly address her ADHD and her approval of the use of medication after a leak, "I have ADHD and I have taken medicine for it since I was a kid. Please know I believe in a clean sport. I've always followed the rules and will continue to do so as far as play is critical to s- uh, is fair play is critical to sport and is very important to me." So she's been on this medication for a long time, but, uh, see if you can find that, uh, an article that says she was not allowed to take this ADHD medication in Japan, because that's what they were saying. They were saying that during this Olympics, they told her she has to get off of it. If that's the case, that would greatly contribute to her anxiety and her m- mental problems that she's having. Imagine if you're on a medication for last, at least five years, right? She's been on it since, uh, 2016. And then all of a sudden they tell you can't be on it anymore and you have to compete in the Olympics.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you're used to being on this medication.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. No, that'll-
- JRJoe Rogan
So fuck.
- YPYannis Pappas
... that'll, that'll cause you some strife. But this could be fishy. Like, they're saying they treat it for ADHD, but what if this is like a drug that makes them, like, super focused-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it does make you super focused.
- YPYannis Pappas
... super focused?
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm sure it does. I mean that's-
- YPYannis Pappas
So that's k- Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why they say pitchers can't take it.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, pitchers want to take Adderall.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
And they would ... The pi- pitchers used to take, uh, Greenies, which were-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- YPYannis Pappas
... basically like some sort of-
- JRJoe Rogan
Amphetamine.
- YPYannis Pappas
... amphetamines.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
So this could be a similar kind of scandal where the Russian hackers ... Freaking Russians ... Uh, you know, the Russians and the Chinese are just like, they're beating us on the online, dude. They're like, they're like Iago in Othello.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
And they're just kind of manipulating us.
- 45:37 – 47:02
Joe Biden
- JRJoe Rogan
the people that made sure that the laws went through that treated people very differently for crack than they did for cocaine. I mean, that has been ... If you want to talk about ... If you want to see clear evidence of racism in prosecutions-
- YPYannis Pappas
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's the difference between how they treat cocaine arrests versus how they treat crack arrests.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And crack, if you talk to Dr. Carl Hart from fucking Colombia, who's a brilliant guy, he'll tell you that crack is cocaine.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just a, a cheaper version of it. It's just about the way it's processed and the way it's made, but essentially the psychoactive chemical is the same.
- YPYannis Pappas
For sure. And I think, uh, the drug, drug crimes really you see the systematic-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... oppression of Black people in drug cri- Uh, like, it's like, yeah, white guys doing cocaine, they're like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- YPYannis Pappas
But like, yeah, I mean, yeah, Black guy's got a bag of marijuana, he goes away for 15 years or whatever. That's been th- a total injustice-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... in our country. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Meanwhile, his fucking son-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... smoked crack.
- YPYannis Pappas
Kid smokes crack. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) He's got a couple bucks.
- YPYannis Pappas
He parties, dude. Yeah, but he-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's got money and he's got-
- YPYannis Pappas
He's gotta taste, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
He's gotta ... Once you develop, it's like, you know, once you experience 100% pure grape juice, y- it's delicious. But if you were raised on grape drink, you love that grape drink.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. It's a different flavor.
- YPYannis Pappas
It's a different flavor. He loves that grape drink drug.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
'Cause that's basically like ... It's kind of like a cheaper form of the real thing.
- 47:02 – 48:47
Hunter Biden
- YPYannis Pappas
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a cheaper form of the real thing and I bet part of it is being naughty.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. Hunter Biden likes to be naughty.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a naughty boy.
- YPYannis Pappas
He's a naughty kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right? He's naughty. His dad was the vice president-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and he's just being naughty.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? He's eating hookers' assholes-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and smoking crack and getting wild.
- YPYannis Pappas
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Getting foot jobs.
- YPYannis Pappas
He's fun. I mean, he's a fun kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
I bet he's fun.
- YPYannis Pappas
I'd rather hang out with him.
- JRJoe Rogan
I tried to get him on the podcast.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I tried to get him on the podcast.
- YPYannis Pappas
Well, t- tell him you got some crack.
- JRJoe Rogan
He said no. But here's the thing, is like they, they asked for him to be on the podcast first and I think I was like, "Ah, get the fuck out of here with that." And then as time went on, I was like ... I think one day I was really high-
- YPYannis Pappas
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then I had this epiphany like, "Why wouldn't I have him on?" Like, he's just a man.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And not only that, he's ... Like, everybody's mad at him. I'm not mad at him. And I'm not a mean guy. Like, if I had him on the podcast, I would be nice to him. I don't know what it's like to be born a son of a, a, a, a wealthy famous politician who happened to be the vice president of the United States, who also drafted the 1994 sweeping crime bill. I don't know who the- what the fuck that would be like.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It'd be weird.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a weird life, man.
- 48:47 – 51:17
Johnny B
- JRJoe Rogan
He was, uh, he was, at the time, my best friend, but one of my best friends ever. If I had to make a list of, like, 20 of my all-time best friends, my friend Johnny B, he would be w- he would be right up there. He was fucking amazing. He was an amazing guy, but he was a drug addict, and he was wild.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just a wild dude. And, uh, he would, he would always have... You know, I, I've dropped him off places sometimes. I'd have him, I'd bring him to go cop where he'd pick up drugs and then I'd have to take him to a liquor store so he could buy 40 ounces to, to take the edge off because he was so, he was so fucked up on crack.
- YPYannis Pappas
That sounds very like early '90s, '80s.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- YPYannis Pappas
Just crack, '40s.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep, exactly. It was ear- early '90s.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
A little Brand Nubian playing in the background. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Kool G Rap.
- YPYannis Pappas
Kool G Rap, yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Ill Street Blues.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
You lose 'cause you got the Ill Street Blues.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
Those guys could rhyme, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck, dude, Kil G- Kool G, Kool G, excuse me, Kool G Rap is, to this day, in my opinion, one of the most underrated rappers of all time. He's one of the all-time greats.
- YPYannis Pappas
W- without a doubt.
- JRJoe Rogan
Cock blocking, that song Cock Blocking.
- YPYannis Pappas
Without a doubt. If you listen to Ill Street, but you listen to the lyrics of Ill Street Blues-
- JRJoe Rogan
Amazing.
- YPYannis Pappas
... just amazing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Amazing.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. Rakim.
- 51:17 – 53:37
Breakdancing
- JRJoe Rogan
loves break dancing.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever followed Stance Elements on, uh-
- YPYannis Pappas
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Instagram?
- YPYannis Pappas
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Stance Elements is this hip hop page, uh, it's a break dancing page on, um, on Instagram. And what they're doing right now with hip hop, with break dancing rather, is it doesn't even make sense. Like the physical feats of spectacular coordination and strength that these fucking people can do now. They're like, forget about gymnastics.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really. Break dancing should be in the fucking Olympics.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you ever see, um, what is that dude's name? Uh, Pocket... B-Boy Pocket Kim? What the fuck is his name? How do you say his name? There's this ki- dude, and he, he defies gravity. Like it doesn't make sense. B-Boy Pocket Kim? Yeah, B-Boy Pocket. And, uh, his name is, uh, Ji Joo Kim, and, uh, he is fucking wild, dude. When you see him move around, you cannot believe the kind of shit this guy can do with his body. And it's all be- it's all break dancing. It's all B-Boys.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- NANarrator
I picked something too simple here.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is very simple. He's just hanging out with these ladies.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You gotta, you gotta... Go, go to that one.
- YPYannis Pappas
That was like a-
- JRJoe Rogan
He's spinning on his fucking head. Look at this.
- YPYannis Pappas
That's why you pulled up my Maurissa clip-
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at this.
- YPYannis Pappas
... when Eliza said, you pulled up a promo.
- NANarrator
Hey, I... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at this. Look at this.
- NANarrator
It's very fast.
- YPYannis Pappas
That's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, watch that. Look at what he's doing on his head.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Watch why he brings his legs together.
- YPYannis Pappas
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's spinning like a top on the top of his head.
- 53:37 – 54:52
Breakdancing in JiuJitsu
- JRJoe Rogan
dancing.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And now there's a couple of friends that I have that are in the, uh, jujitsu world. Um, Richie Martinez and Geo Martinez, they started out as break dancers. And I remember when they first came over to ji- to jujitsu, uh, Eddie Bravo, my instructor, was like, "Dude, there's something going on." Like, "Break dancing is next level." Like the strength that these guys have, the coordination they have, and the, the ability to control their body is unprecedented. So he started literally practicing break dancing moves as a, a method of getting better at jujitsu.
- YPYannis Pappas
That's like Herschel Walker. He did ballet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, exactly.
- YPYannis Pappas
Makes a lot of sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Makes a lot of sense. And it's interesting to see it evolve where now, like, like athletes, like athletics where it's just more faster-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- YPYannis Pappas
... more powerful-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... more insane.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep.
- YPYannis Pappas
Jujitsu's evolving too, right? In like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
Like, uh, MMA, those leg kicks, that's the new thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the low leg kicks.
- YPYannis Pappas
Like, the low leg kicks-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- YPYannis Pappas
... are like... Dudes are breaking their legs now.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, it's crazy.
- YPYannis Pappas
So then maybe humans will evolve. They'll, like, start ki-... like, you know how those Thai, those Thai boxers kick trees and stuff?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- YPYannis Pappas
Maybe, like, now MMA guys are gonna start-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
... like, until their legs are like guns. Like, just like steel.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- YPYannis Pappas
Because they're just snapping. Like, guys' legs... How many times recently it's been like three, four guys have just snapped their legs?
- 54:52 – 56:27
Conor McGregors broken shin
- JRJoe Rogan
into that fight with a cracked shin already. He, uh, he had gotten a stress fracture in his shin and got it scanned, and there's even photographs of the scans, and was putting pads on it. But I think what he was trying to do was he was trying to spar during camp with no shin and instep pads. That's what I've h- been told. I don't know if it's true. Whenever anything happens, you'll get, like, a bunch of text messages from guys. You know, "I know a guy from Conor's camp," says, "Conor was sparring with no shin pads." Like, I don't know if that's true, but that's a rare thing that, for someone to spar. Like, but he was so hell-bent on destroying Dustin Poirier, he might've done something like that.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then it wound up costing him-
- YPYannis Pappas
Compromised himself.
- JRJoe Rogan
... 'cause you, you could see his leg. It's, it's clearly there's something wrong with it going in. Th- Your leg doesn't just break like that.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, like, when you see Chris Weidman's leg break, it's real clear.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
He throws it, it catches right where Uriah Hall's shin meets the top of the knee, or the bottom of the knee. It's a very rigid spot and it... Something has to give out and the sh- it was the shin. That makes sense.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Conor one didn't really make sense.
- YPYannis Pappas
'Cause it's more of an ankle, more lower.
- JRJoe Rogan
Didn't make sense, the way it broke.
- YPYannis Pappas
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look, it, it... There was something wrong with it, I would imagine, already.
- YPYannis Pappas
But that one kick where he kind of checked-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- YPYannis Pappas
... on the elbow, it was that spot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but even then.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Even then, that's v- it's very rare that's, that's gonna make your, your instep or your shin break like that.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right. You know what's interesting is, like, not only does sports evolve, but your tolerance evolves for what you can look at 'cause now I've become such a big MMA fan and now I've seen so many of those breaks. At first, you can't look at them. You're like, "Oh, my... I can't look at him." Now you get used to it. I'm like, "I can watch a replay. I can-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, dude.
- YPYannis Pappas
"I
- 56:27 – 1:05:40
Fighting in person
- YPYannis Pappas
can watch 'em now."
- JRJoe Rogan
You're telling me.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I s- I've seen it in person, right?
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I've called, like, thousands of fights in person.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
So I've seen... I've probably seen more people get fucked up than most of the people that have ever lived.
- YPYannis Pappas
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you had a, like, uh, uh... If you had a history of people that have seen people get the shit beaten out of 'em-
- YPYannis Pappas
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
... I gotta be high on that list.
- YPYannis Pappas
You're high on that list, but also, like, there's a lot... Uh, WorldStarHipHop has done a good job for all of us.
- JRJoe Rogan
It has-
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but there's a difference between watching something on a screen and seeing-
- YPYannis Pappas
And watching it live.
- JRJoe Rogan
... something in real life.
- YPYannis Pappas
You're right, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You get really accustomed to seeing, like, injuries in real life.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm very accustomed to injuries in a weird way.
- YPYannis Pappas
I love your outfit. Y- Is that the same outfit or you just got a bunch of, like, black shirts?
- JRJoe Rogan
David August.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I have, uh, t- like, tailored suits that are made by David August. They fit-
- YPYannis Pappas
It's a good look, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... my fucking chimp body.
- YPYannis Pappas
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I have to get things that (laughs) fit me right. Yeah, they make beautiful clothes.
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