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Joe Rogan Experience #1694 - Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper

Ms. Pat is a standup comedian, a host of "The Patdown" podcast, and star of the BET+ series "The Ms. Pat Show." Jordan E. Cooper is a playwright, writer and co-creator & executive producer of "The Ms. Pat Show."

Joe RoganhostMs. PatguestJordan E. CooperguestGuestguest
Jun 26, 20242h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ms. Pat and Jordan Cooper Rebuild the Sitcom With Raw Honesty

  1. Joe Rogan talks with comedian Ms. Pat and writer‑creator Jordan E. Cooper about building *The Ms. Pat Show*, a raw, multi‑cam sitcom based on her life, now on BET+.
  2. They detail a four‑year battle through multiple studios, skeptical executives, and writer-room clashes to preserve Pat’s unfiltered voice, language, and painful backstory inside a traditional sitcom format.
  3. The conversation ranges from Hollywood’s fear of risk and notes culture to specific episodes on school shootings, gender pronouns, slurs, and family trauma, and how comedy can transform deep pain into empowerment.
  4. They also digress into stand‑up war stories, parenting, STD anecdotes, hunting, nature, and the oddities of culture and history, all orbiting around authenticity and creative control.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Protecting your authentic voice is non‑negotiable, even if it delays success.

Ms. Pat repeatedly walked away from earlier, safer versions of the show and refused to do softened, network‑friendly takes; she’d rather the project die than succeed as something she doesn’t believe in.

Backdoor solutions and initiative can override gatekeepers.

Pat and Jordan quietly wrote their own pilot behind the studio’s back, removed his name so he wouldn’t be disqualified if it failed, and only revealed the truth once executives loved the script.

The right collaborator can translate a raw life into a working format.

Jordan, a 26‑year‑old playwright obsessed with old sitcoms, catalogued Pat’s off‑the‑cuff lines, studied her book and stand‑up, and built a multi‑cam structure that lets her be herself instead of a network‑approved caricature.

Live audiences keep comedy honest and sharper than laugh tracks.

They insisted on a live studio audience—even during COVID—shooting two shows per episode so jokes are tested in real time instead of relying on canned laughs or writers laughing at their own material.

Comedy can carry very heavy subjects if the intent and execution are clear.

Episodes tackle a school shooting, the N‑word and other slurs, gender‑nonconforming pronouns, porn, and Pat’s abusive ex; they use humor as a ‘Trojan horse’ to open hard conversations without preaching.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you gonna go down, go down for what you believe in. I almost went down twice for what I did not believe in.

— Ms. Pat

I wanted to make Pat the Black female Archie Bunker—funnier, though.

— Jordan E. Cooper

Hollywood don’t want you until somebody else done fucked you and bust your booty hole.

— Ms. Pat

We’re doing a new kind of sitcom. It’s like a comedy show meets a sitcom—a Trojan horse so we can talk about real shit but laugh on the way.

— Jordan E. Cooper

Out of all the shit… the voices I still hear in my head from the way my mama treat me, that night I actually felt like I won.

— Ms. Pat

Development journey of *The Ms. Pat Show* (Fox → Hulu → BET+)Maintaining an unfiltered Black comedic voice in a traditional sitcomHollywood notes, writers’ rooms, and fights over creative controlComedy as a way to process trauma (abuse, poverty, relationships)Specific episode themes: school shooting, pronouns, slurs, porn, exesRepresentation, risk‑taking, and the influence of classic sitcomsGenerational clashes over language, identity, and political correctness

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