Joe Rogan Experience #1694 - Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hello, Ms. Pat.

   4. PAMs. Pat0:14

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you again. Please introduce-

   6. PAMs. Pat0:16

      This is-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      ... your friend.

   8. PAMs. Pat0:17

      ... this is Jordan E. Cooper, the co-creator of The Ms. Pat Show.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Which, by the way, is a fucking hilarious show. I was nervous when peop- when f- when friends say, "I got a, a new show." You're like, "Oh, I gotta watch this shit." 'Cause so many times you watch your friend's show and it's not good. Your show is fucking good. It's a real solid sitcom, so-

   10. JCJordan E. Cooper0:34

       Thank you. (clapping)

   11. PAMs. Pat0:35

       (clapping)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Bravo.

   13. JCJordan E. Cooper0:36

       Thank you. (laughs) And right out of the gate it's solid. You know, sitcoms take years to get their legs, at least a few episodes. But right out of the gate, your show is very solid.

   14. PAMs. Pat0:45

       I wish you knew how hard it was for me to text you to ask you to watch it. I text-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       (laughs)

   16. PAMs. Pat0:49

       ... I s- I typed the text and I was like, "Oh, I can't." 'Cause I know how honest you are. And, and then when I was like... I, I, it took me months and I was like, "But I gotta ask him." 'Cause I was like, "If Joe like it, then I feel like you, you..." It was, it was, it was a seal, a solid foundation.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Mm-hmm.

   18. PAMs. Pat1:04

       And I was like, "If I could just..." 'Cause I got Ari to watch it and he was like, "It's really good." And I was like, "I just wanna see if Joe will watch it." And I know how fucking busy you are. And I kept... When I sent the text and I was like, "Oh my god. Oh my god. He's not gonna watch it." And when I hit you back, A, and you was like, "I'm in the Mediterranean." Whatever the fuck that word you use. You somewhere where the, what, for, where birds don't have wings, but they still fly. You was on vacation.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Where was I?

   20. PAMs. Pat1:25

       Somewhere rich people go. (laughs)

   21. JCJordan E. Cooper1:26

       Birds don't have wings-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       (laughs)

   23. PAMs. Pat1:27

       (laughs)

   24. JCJordan E. Cooper1:27

       ... but they still fly?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:29

       What kind of riddle is this?

   26. JCJordan E. Cooper1:30

       (laughs)

   27. PAMs. Pat1:31

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       (laughing) What the fuck?

   29. JCJordan E. Cooper1:32

       It's called a crackhead.

   30. PAMs. Pat1:33

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. PAMs. Pat15:00

      sucking dick.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      (laughs)

   3. PAMs. Pat15:01

      So who, what are you hiding? That-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      What are you hiding, yeah.

   5. JCJordan E. Cooper15:04

      Yeah.

   6. PAMs. Pat15:04

      Yeah, Elsa, and I didn't even know Elsa was sucking dick on the internet. And it's true, she really is.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Elsa from Frozen?

   8. JCJordan E. Cooper15:09

      Yeah.

   9. PAMs. Pat15:09

      Yeah, she gang banging. And I was like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       (laughs)

   11. PAMs. Pat15:12

       (laughs) I don't know why my-

   12. JCJordan E. Cooper15:13

       Does she give a fuck about a snowman?

   13. PAMs. Pat15:15

       Uh, no. So, so-

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       She's getting gang banged, she's not gang banging, right?

   15. PAMs. Pat15:19

       Well, it's just dicks all around her.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Okay, yeah, that's-

   17. PAMs. Pat15:21

       She's letting it go.

   18. JCJordan E. Cooper15:21

       Oh, so she was getting-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Gang banged.

   20. JCJordan E. Cooper15:22

       Got you, got you. Yeah.

   21. PAMs. Pat15:23

       Yeah, and I was actually blown away. And I was like, "Why did you Google this?" "Well, they Google it at school." And it's the second grade. I was like, "What?"

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Yeah.

   23. PAMs. Pat15:30

       And that, I said, "You will never get a phone until you have a job to pay for a phone."

   24. JCJordan E. Cooper15:34

       Yeah.

   25. PAMs. Pat15:34

       So-

   26. JCJordan E. Cooper15:34

       I mean, when I was in, when I was in third grade, everybody was talking about, uh, Two Girls and One Cup.

   27. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       That's right.

   28. JCJordan E. Cooper15:39

       You remember that?

   29. PAMs. Pat15:40

       What is that?

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:41

       Yeah, I remember that.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. PAMs. Pat30:00

      pilot and what it is. We got wonderful notes from them.

   2. JCJordan E. Cooper30:03

      Yeah.

   3. PAMs. Pat30:03

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      They-

   5. PAMs. Pat30:04

      They didn't teach me how to read. I didn't know how to read.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      We thought we had some shit. When Hulu started putting they little... And we came in-

   7. JCJordan E. Cooper30:08

      Smart. So smart.

   8. PAMs. Pat30:08

      We thought we had some shit.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      They, they made that pilot a fucking home run.

   10. JCJordan E. Cooper30:12

       They know what they're doing at Hulu.

   11. PAMs. Pat30:13

       Yeah.

   12. JCJordan E. Cooper30:13

       They got some great shows.

   13. PAMs. Pat30:14

       Yeah, they... But this wasn't premium, though. But I just knew that spirit.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       That's so stupid. What the fuck does that mean?

   15. PAMs. Pat30:20

       I don't-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       It wasn't premium content?

   17. PAMs. Pat30:22

       I don't know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       That's so dumb.

   19. JCJordan E. Cooper30:22

       And they also don't have any original multicams. They have, like, traditional sitcoms, like old stuff, like My Wife and Kids and I Love Lucy and...

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JCJordan E. Cooper30:29

       But they don't have original sitcoms.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Right.

   23. JCJordan E. Cooper30:32

       And I think that there... I think there was also... It was like... Because that hadn't happened before we did that pilot. Like, nobody had, like, said, "Fucking motherfucker" and all this stuff, and talked about... Literally, our pilot is about a school shooting, and somehow we made it funny.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       Do you think it's the language?

   25. JCJordan E. Cooper30:45

       Like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       You think the language was why they, they said it wasn't premium content?

   27. PAMs. Pat30:48

       Uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:49

       That's just such a fucking vague statement.

   29. PAMs. Pat30:51

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       It's not premium content, like-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      this out."

   2. JCJordan E. Cooper45:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      They hadn't really had... They had, like, The Honeymooners and a couple other sitcoms. They had just figured out motion pictures.

   4. JCJordan E. Cooper45:06

      But that's what made it dynamic is because th- that had never happ- multicam sitcom had never happened before Desi Arnaz.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      Right.

   6. JCJordan E. Cooper45:11

      And what happened was, is that Lucy was pregnant. So basically they had been married for, like, five years, right? And then Lucy was like, "Oh, I'm losing my husband. He out cheating with other bitches. I need to do something to get him, get him back home." And so she was like, "Oh, we can, we could do a show together. Let's do a show together." And so she went to CBS and she was like, "Hey, I wanna do a show with my husband." And they were like, "Are you kidding me? Like, nobody's gonna believe you're married to a Cuban, like a Latino man. Like, what are you talking..." She was like, "What the fuck are you talking about? I am married to a Cuban." And so they were like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      "Are you sure about this?"

   8. JCJordan E. Cooper45:37

      "Yes, yes, absolutely."

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      Oh, wait a minute, they didn't believe-

   10. JCJordan E. Cooper45:39

       They did not, they, CBS executives did not believe. So what they did was, she said, "I am married to a Cuban." Like, why, they were like, "We don't, we don't, we don't trust it. We don't wanna do it." So they created a vaudeville show that was the first, basically the first season of I Love Lucy. They toured around the country doing this vaudeville show, and on the final stop they invited CBS executives and the audience loved it. And they were like, "Oh, okay, cool. This is good. All right, we're gonna do it."

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       Wow.

   12. JCJordan E. Cooper46:03

       "But if you do it, we're gonna do it in New York and we're gonna do it live." He was, Desi was like, "Absolutely not. Desi, I mean, uh, Lucy is pregnant. We're not going back and forth. Like, we have to do this in LA." And they were like, "We're not doing a show in LA. Are you crazy?" And he was like, "Yeah, we're gonna do it in LA and we're gonna shoot it on film." They were like, "Absolutely not, but if you wanna do it, you can pay for it." And he was like, "All right, bet we'll pay for it and we'll just deliver it to you." And so they paid for everything-

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Wow.

   14. JCJordan E. Cooper46:26

       ... and built Desilu Studios. And they owned the rights until, like, 1974 and Lucy sold it back to CBS, which was not smart. But, but they owned... All of that was there's, all of that was there. So basically, Desi was the one who created this, like, three camera, audience setup.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:44

       Really?

   16. JCJordan E. Cooper46:44

       That was all him.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       (clears throat)

   18. JCJordan E. Cooper46:45

       And the smart shit about shooting on film is, like, all in the fil- all the Norman Lear shows, if you watch, like, all those '70s shows, the quality is not good when you watch it visually, because they shot on videotape. If you watch I Love Lucy, which was made, like, what, 25 years earlier, that shit is so... That looks like HD. It looks like it was shot, like, last week. And that's because he shot it on film. And so that was the, like, forethought, uh, that, that... Desi Arnaz gets no credit for that because he was a Cuban back then.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Wow.

   20. JCJordan E. Cooper47:12

       But, like, he created all of that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       That's incredible.

   22. PAMs. Pat47:15

       This motherfucker loved TV.

   23. JCJordan E. Cooper47:16

       Like, obviously.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Yeah.

   25. JCJordan E. Cooper47:17

       That's incredible. I did not, did not know that. I was trying to explain to my daughter that this was before Castro took over Cuba. I was like, "You gotta understand, like, what Cuba was like back then." 'Cause Cuba was, like, a place where people from the United States would go to gamble and it was all run by the mob. Like, the, the whole thing in, like, in, you know, the, the corrupt government that was there before Castro overtook it, and I was explaining this whole thing to her. And she was, it was fascinating to watch this little 11-year-old- Wow.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:43

       ... try to figure out what... First of all, why everything's black and white.

   27. PAMs. Pat47:46

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       Like, what, "Where's the colors? There's no color in this-"

   29. JCJordan E. Cooper47:49

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:49

       "... stupid fucking show you're making me watch."
5. 1:00:00 – 1:01:05

   And then they calculate…

   1. NANarrator1:00:00

      the number. I don't see anything.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      And then they calculate based on, you know, the actual number of humans there are in this country and how many people really watch TV, and then they get an estimate, a rough estimate of the amount of people that are watching your show. But it's very rough, as opposed to streaming. Streaming, they know exactly how many people are watching your show.

   3. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:17

      Yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      It's a different animal.

   5. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:19

      Yeah, it's wild.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      So, um, how much is BET+? Is it a monthly thing?

   7. PAMs. Pat1:00:23

      9.99.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      A month?

   9. PAMs. Pat1:00:24

      Yes.

   10. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:24

       9.99 a month. Seven-day free trial, they have, I believe.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       And what other shows they got on there?

   12. PAMs. Pat1:00:28

       They have, uh, The First Wife Club.

   13. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:30

       Yeah.

   14. PAMs. Pat1:00:30

       They get, they just, they only 18 month old, so it's a new streaming platform. So, they, they do have a lot of the black old sitcoms like-

   15. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:37

       Martin.

   16. PAMs. Pat1:00:37

       ... Martin and Roc and, uh, Fresh Prince, but, uh, they have a few, um, they have quite a few, probably 10 originals-

   17. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:46

       Yeah.

   18. PAMs. Pat1:00:46

       ... along with all

   19. JCJordan E. Cooper1:00:47

       A lot of people forgot how fucking good Martin was. Yeah. That guy played, like, 15 different characters- Yeah. ... in that show. Yeah. It was like, it was so interesting. It was like literally a fusion of sketch comedy and sitcom, and that's kinda what I'm- Yes. ... trying to do with Pat. I'm trying to do like a comedy show meets a sitcom. Mm-hmm. And kinda meld the two together. Like standup meets sit- Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Episode duration: 2:49:12