Joe Rogan Experience #1699 - Meghan Murphy

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello.

   3. MMMeghan Murphy0:13

      Hi.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Welcome.

   5. MMMeghan Murphy0:15

      Thank you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.

   7. MMMeghan Murphy0:17

      I'm ... Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Very nice to meet you.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy0:18

      It's great to meet you. I'm really excited to be here.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       We've talked about you, uh, eight or 10 times.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy0:23

       I know, it drives-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Yeh-

   13. MMMeghan Murphy0:23

       ... me crazy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Does it?

   15. MMMeghan Murphy0:24

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs)

   17. MMMeghan Murphy0:26

       I'm like, "I want to talk too." (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       W- what, what is your impression of the way people are interpreting what happened to you?

   19. MMMeghan Murphy0:34

       Uh, well, I was really frustrated when Jack, and ... I don't know how to say her name properly, and I'm gonna muck it up. Jack and, um, the head of safety-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Vidya? Is that how you say it?

   21. MMMeghan Murphy0:43

       Vidya?

   22. NANarrator0:44

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Vidya. Yes. Let's, let's tell, tell people the story what happened.

   24. MMMeghan Murphy0:48

       Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       You want some of this?

   26. MMMeghan Murphy0:49

       Yes. Okay. So let me-

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I brought this from Mexico. Yeah, go ahead.

   28. MMMeghan Murphy0:50

       This is my favorite booze, and not just my favorite Mexican booze, my all-time favorite booze. And (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Whoosh.

   30. MMMeghan Murphy0:58

       And nobody likes it except for me.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MMMeghan Murphy15:00

      And he would accuse them of transphobia and essentially try to extort money out of them. And when that didn't work, I guess he decided he wanted to, I mean, again, he's a crazy person, so we can't take this as representative of very much other than the fact that he's like a grifter and a crazy person, but you know, to take them all to the Human Rights Tribunal-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      Yeah.

   3. MMMeghan Murphy15:18

      ... um, to say he's being discriminated against. But this is exactly, exactly the perfect example of what happens if you just say anybody's a woman, and you just have to accept it. He has a penis, he has balls, he obviously looks like a man. At that time, he was still using his male name, um, in various places, like on Facebook, some other places. I think on Twitter at that time he was, um, maybe using both names. Um, but it, there was, there was nothing to show me that he was a woman. So I said, "Yeah, it's him." I figured out that it was him. Um, and then-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      That was it.

   5. MMMeghan Murphy15:57

      ... I was permanently banned. Yeah. And that was in November. And that was it. I appealed, they were like, "Nope, sorry, hateful conduct." Again, didn't tell me what rule I broke. 20 minutes after I was banned, I was banned on Friday night, I was at the bar. I was like, "What the fuck?" (laughs) I'm trying to have fun. Um, 20 minutes after I was banned, Pink News, which is like a, like LGBT queer news site, um, they post an article saying (laughs) , "Twitter has a new rule against misgendering and deadnaming." And I was like, "Oh, this is a really funny coincidence that this went out 20 minutes after I was banned for some rule that they didn't specify, but I can only assume was misgendering."

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:42

      Yeah. Misgendering.

   7. MMMeghan Murphy16:43

      Misgendering a man who's a predator and who was still going by his male name in various places on the internet.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:50

      Whoops.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy16:50

      So I mean, he should have been banned too for misgendering himself.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       Good point.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy16:54

       Thank you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       It's, it's just so weird, because it's the one area that there's no room for o- there's no room for interpretation. There's no room for debate or nuance. It's just like you cannot misgender, you cannot deadname, you cannot like...

   13. MMMeghan Murphy17:13

       And you're cruel and horrible if you do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah, they're cruel and horrible to you.

   15. MMMeghan Murphy17:18

       Well, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       Yeah.

   17. MMMeghan Murphy17:19

       I mean, the things that people aren't banned for on Twitter, I mean, I have been like subject to countless death threats. Like, "You should die. You get the wall. You should go to the gulag." (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       Yeah.

   19. MMMeghan Murphy17:29

       Like people sho- you know, like people-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Imagine.

   21. MMMeghan Murphy17:31

       ... say horrible things to me online.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       Yeah.

   23. MMMeghan Murphy17:33

       I honestly don't care. Like I'm like, it's the internet, people say horrible things. I'm not gonna crumble or feel hurt or offended because somebody says some bullshit to me on Twitter. But you can't even say he to somebody who's declared-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       Right.

   25. MMMeghan Murphy17:48

       ... themself a woman, or you're essentially guilty of hate speech.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       But they can call you a stupid bitch.

   27. MMMeghan Murphy17:53

       And worse.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Yeah, and worse.

   29. MMMeghan Murphy17:55

       Believe it or not.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:56

       What's worse?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   How dare you. …

   1. MMMeghan Murphy30:00

      of their own. I don't think that it's healthy for sex to be treated as just a physical thing. And I'm not saying, like, sex can't just be fun and just a physical thing. Like, I've had lots of casual sex in my life-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      How dare you.

   3. MMMeghan Murphy30:12

      ... with everybody. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      How dare you. (laughs)

   5. MMMeghan Murphy30:14

      Hundreds and thousands of people.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      (laughs)

   7. MMMeghan Murphy30:16

      Um, but, uh, you know, I don't think it has to be like this romantic exchange every time.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:21

      Right.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy30:21

      It's not like you have to be married, like you have to be, like, staring-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       Right.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy30:25

       ... into each other's eyes and like, "I love you, I love you, I love you." But I think that it's a really unhealthy thing for society to normalize sex as being something transactional, um, and I think these women probably are gonna have problems down the line. Like, it's like, yeah, right now, this might be fine. Same thing with women who do porn, are like, "Oh, yeah, this is fine, great," and it's like, "Okay, talk to me in 10 years and tell me how you feel when you reflect back." Like, the decisions that we make, we can make all sorts of bad decisions when we're 20.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       Mm-hmm.

   13. MMMeghan Murphy30:52

       And this can be applicable to probably casual sex too, but, um, I think that there are kinda mental and emotional repercussions from engaging in those kinds of relationships that people pretend don't exist, um. I don't think that it could make you feel really good about yourself when a man is like paying for access to your body and not considering you as a human and how you feel and what you actually want.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       But how do you-

   15. MMMeghan Murphy31:19

       And you're having sex that you don't enjoy. Why would you wanna have sex that you don't enjoy?

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       But are they mutually exclusive? How do you know they don't enjoy it? What if you do have sex with people-

   17. MMMeghan Murphy31:25

       Why would they be getting paid if they were into it?

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       Because the- they have an arrangement.

   19. MMMeghan Murphy31:29

       Like, if I wanted to have sex with somebody, I wouldn't be like, "Okay, well, give me some money." I'd wanna have sex with them, like...

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Well, you're not a ho.

   21. MMMeghan Murphy31:36

       (laughs) Thank you. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       (laughs)

   23. MMMeghan Murphy31:39

       That's true. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       I mean, I- I think we're making it- we're narrowly defining these exchanges, uh, uh, you know, and I'm not sup- in support of prostitution. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate and be open-minded here.

   25. MMMeghan Murphy31:51

       No, I appreciate it. And to be honest, like, I- (sighs) I'm totally changing the subject again. I'm sorry, I'm very bad at staying on track, but like, I started to question feminism and the work that I was doing because I started to feel like there were questions that I couldn't answer, and I wasn't being challenged enough. So, I- I appreciate you challenging me on this stuff, but I've sort of started to move away from feminism a bit in the past few years, partly 'cause I just felt like I was repeating myself over and over and over again, and like preaching to the choir, and none of these people were asking me any questions, and I was like, if I was having an argument with somebody who, like, didn't believe in patriarchy and they were like, "What's- what's a patriarchy?" (laughs) I was like, would I be able to answer that question? I don't actually think I can, so maybe I should stop saying this word over and over and over again.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       It's a word that sort of, uh, it's supposed to put the brakes in any argument, you know? Like, it's one of those words like-

   27. MMMeghan Murphy32:50

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       ... because of the patriarchy.

   29. MMMeghan Murphy32:51

       Yeah, oh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:51

       Like, I had a-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. NANarrator45:00

   2. MMMeghan Murphy45:00

      (laughs)

   3. NANarrator45:00

      The fact is, uh, the Conservatives don't talk about that in their lengthy platform. It is-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      What?

   5. MMMeghan Murphy45:08

      Like, is it that the recession is sexist, so he's call- what the fuck is a shecession? Like, sec-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      What does that mean?

   7. MMMeghan Murphy45:14

      I don't know. I think-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Shecession and shecovery?

   9. MMMeghan Murphy45:18

      I think he's probably, I'm assuming-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       He's such a try hard.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy45:21

       He's such a loser. He's trying to say, like, maybe that women... Is he trying to say that women suffered more during COVID financially?

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       Uh, he's not saying shit. He's not saying shit.

   13. MMMeghan Murphy45:31

       That's true.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       He's just making up words. But-

   15. MMMeghan Murphy45:32

       I should stop giving him so much credit to think that he's actually doing-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       How many terms has he done?

   17. MMMeghan Murphy45:37

       ... saying something. So this is two.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       This is his second term, so he won the second term?

   19. MMMeghan Murphy45:42

       Right. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       When did that happen?

   21. MMMeghan Murphy45:45

       Please don't ask me questions like this. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       Oh, sorry. But you're a Canadian.

   23. MMMeghan Murphy45:48

       No, I know. I have a terrible memory though. It's like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       But that's hilariously bad.

   25. MMMeghan Murphy45:52

       Um-

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       'Cause I could tell you when Biden got elected.

   27. MMMeghan Murphy45:53

       He just called a new election, so there's gonna be an- another election in October, so he- he's been in for a while now.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       He called an election?

   29. MMMeghan Murphy46:02

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       So he gets to say, "Let's have a new election."
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:00

      that's hard for you, and that you're doing it even if you don't wanna go. Like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      Yeah.

   3. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:03

      ... even if you're feeling lazy and you're like, "Uh, I don't wanna go," and then you go, and you're like, "I did it." Like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Yes.

   5. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:08

      ... I can do things that I don't wanna do. Like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      And they're beneficial.

   7. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:11

      It's so, it's just so good for, like, how you feel about yourself.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      Yeah. I think what you're doing too, like boxing is so good because there's something about, like, hitting a thing, like a punching bag, that is so stress-relieving.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:23

      Oh, yeah. It's, I love it-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Like, the best.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:25

       ... so much.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Yeah.

   13. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:26

       It's awesome. I'm really not good, so I don't wanna pretend. (laughs) I don't wanna be like, "Yeah, I know what I'm doing." I mean, I am getting better, but I'm just really slow is what it's frustrating me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Well, you don't have to be good just to, to hit things. Here it is. Ma- oh, Rhonda Patrick, there you go.

   15. NANarrator1:00:40

       Mm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       "Moderate aerobic exercise improved depressive symptoms by 55% in adults with major depressions. Individuals with more severe symptoms and better reward processing seemed to benefit from exercise the most."

   17. NANarrator1:00:53

       I couldn't find the part of being better than SSRIs, but that's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       That's pretty fucking good.

   19. NANarrator1:00:57

       ... just dependent on who, how-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       55% is pretty fucking impressive.

   21. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:00

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

       And this is a Rutgers study. Yeah, it's-

   23. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:03

       These are good stats. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       ... like, you know, I, I've never had a problem with depression, but I've never not exercised. So I've been very fortunate that since I was a teenager, I've always exercised. I, I got involved in martial arts very early in life, and so I, I was involved with, like, very rigorous exercise from the time I was really young.

   25. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:24

       I regret, I, I ju- I, I don't have very many regrets in my life, I don't think that regrets are very useful, but I genuinely regret not having started boxing way, way, way earlier, just because, you know, when you start doing something like that in your 40s, you're just never gonna be that good. Like, you're always gonna be a bit slow. And I really wish-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       Do you feel like you're physically slow?

   27. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:45

       I feel like... (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:46

       Like fast-twitch fibers, that kind of stuff?

   29. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:48

       I mean, I have bad knees, so I just can't move very quickly.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       What's wrong with your knees?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:30

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      of people that misrepresent my stance on things too, by the way. They characterized me in a very, uh, it's, it's a, it's a caricature of who I am versus the actual words that I say and why I say them. And take, you take things out of context and try to pretend that, uh, I'm an anti-trans person or homophobic or... When none of those things are true. So, like, their, even their motivation for doing it was just they don't want any gray area. My own only, uh, dispute about trans people came because of a trans woman who was competing as a, a female in MMA fights without telling these women that she's fighting that she was a man for 30 fucking years, and just recently became a trans woman-

   2. MMMeghan Murphy1:15:52

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:52

      And was beating the shit out of 'em. And I was like, "This is fucked."

   4. MMMeghan Murphy1:15:57

      And it's gross because that guy knows he's a guy. Like, it's... You know, these people... You know, like that, that weightlifter, Laurel Hubbard, you know, you, you know you're a man. Like, you know you're cheating, you know this isn't fair and you're doing it anyway.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:16:15

      Did you see-

   6. MMMeghan Murphy1:16:15

      I have no respect for that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:16

      Did you see the actual competition? She dropped the weights. It was like... I almost, like, feel like she just quit because she didn't want the heat of possibly winning.

   8. MMMeghan Murphy1:16:25

      Really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:26

      Yeah.

   10. MMMeghan Murphy1:16:27

       I didn't actually watch, I just read about it after the fact.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:16:28

       Yeah, it was a whack attempt.

Episode duration: 2:47:19