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Joe Rogan Experience #1711 - Patrick Bet-David

Patrick Bet-David is an entrepreneur, author, and founder of Valuetainment: a multimedia company focusing on business and personal development. He's also the host of "The Bet-David Podcast."

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Jun 27, 20243h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:53

    Discipline vs victimhood: why drive still matters

    1. PB

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello, Patrick.

    4. PB

      How you doing?

    5. JR

      Very good. Uh, very nice to meet you. I enjoy your program.

    6. PB

      I appreciate that.

    7. JR

      I watch all the time.

    8. PB

      Thank you.

    9. JR

      Watch all the time on YouTube.

    10. PB

      Really?

    11. JR

      Yeah. Yeah. You're very good. Very good at interviewing people. I really enjoy, uh, your questions, the way you handle your interviews. So, I, I looked at a lot of your stuff and I was like, "I wanna talk to this guy."

    12. PB

      Very cool.

    13. JR

      So, here we are.

    14. PB

      Well, I, I've been following you for a while and I listen to everything you talk about, pretty much. So, I was telling yearly how necessary you are. Y- you're pissing a lot of the right people off today, which is good.

    15. JR

      I'm not trying. I'm not trying to piss anybody off. Just being me.

    16. PB

      We're glad you are.

    17. JR

      Oh, thank you.

    18. PB

      I know you're just being yourself, but we're glad you are.

    19. JR

      Well, thank you very much.

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      I'm glad you are out there too. W- the world needs, uh, strong voices, you know? People who have, uh, character and discipline and people who have carved their way through this life. It's important. It's an important thing for young people, in particular, to see coming up that you can be a person of character and discipline and you can get far in this business with drive. And you can get far in life with drive, in all businesses really.

    22. PB

      Do you think people can miss that? Like do you think people can, uh ... Maybe that was valued 50 years ago but not today because they're confused today? You think that can happen?

    23. JR

      I think people are still the same. There's still the- the same characteristics that make up a human being still exist, but there's pathways for excuses that exist today-

    24. PB

      Hmm.

    25. JR

      ... that didn't exist before. There's pathways for victimhood. There's like ... You can have, uh, there's credit in victimhood, social credit. And you know, "Well, I didn't get a break," or, "I didn't get this."

    26. PB

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Or, "These rich people have that," or, "These suc- successful people have all the breaks." And there is a lot of clout in actually being a person who has, uh, been v- either denied or, uh, uh, uh, the pathways are unavailable to them so they get to bitch about it and complain about it. There's, there's a, a sense of ... Instead of dealing with the, the hand that y- you've gotten and trying to move forward in a positive way, trying to do your best-

    28. PB

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... with what you ... 'Cause everybody has a different starting point in life. Life is not fair in terms of like-

    30. PB

      No question.

  2. 2:53 – 4:29

    Marxism in universities and the rise of AOC as a political force

    1. PB

      Hasn't that been proven that doesn't work though? Like that's been proven, experienced multiple places and we know it doesn't work.

    2. JR

      But it's still something that's being taught in universities.

    3. PB

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      It's, it's Marxism and th- like, th- that kind of leftist thinking is very common in universities. And the idea is that it hasn't been done right. And w- what you could say that would argue for that is like, well, democracy, you know what I mean, obviously the Greeks had democracy and the Romans had democracy, but it eventually fell and, and turned into a dictatorship, right? But m- America was the first legitimate democracy that actually succeeded and still exists currently, right? This ... We were the first that like sort of got it right. Maybe this could be the first socialist-

    5. PB

      Got it.

    6. JR

      ... government that works. Maybe these young people.

    7. PB

      Led by that noble leader.

    8. JR

      Yes. Yes.

    9. PB

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      AOC or whoever it is.

    11. PB

      She would be wonderful.

    12. JR

      (laughs) Who knows?

    13. PB

      By the way, here's a question for you. I'm curious on what you say to this. What are the chances that she'll be president one day?

    14. JR

      Very good. Very high.

    15. PB

      Okay. I agree.

    16. JR

      Very high.

    17. PB

      What's high? 20%? Like-

    18. JR

      Yes.

    19. PB

      Okay.

    20. JR

      At least.

    21. PB

      Okay.

    22. JR

      Yeah. At least 20%.

    23. PB

      I'm with you there. Yeah.

    24. JR

      She's very charismatic, very intelligent. People love her. Yeah.

    25. PB

      She's, uh, she's creating what ... She's got like what? 12, 13 million followers on Twitter?

    26. JR

      Something like that.

    27. PB

      And you figure in the next 10 years, that's probably gonna be at 100 million.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. PB

      150, 200 million. And that mindset's gonna be bought by the younger generation and gradually we get to a point where somebody's gonna elect her. And if an AOC gets elected, then what happens to US?

    30. JR

      We'll find out.

  3. 4:29 – 6:14

    How politicians get compromised: AOC, party machines, and the Obama example

    1. JR

      Well, I don't think it would ever get to be 80% taxes 'cause the people that would get her into the position to be pr- Like you're seeing compromises already, right?

    2. PB

      Hmm.

    3. JR

      You're seeing compromises. If you're a person who pays attention to politics, you already see that she's sort of compromising her, uh, opposition to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the people that are at the head of the party. They've already sort of started corrupting and making deals. Like this hard line leftism is tempered by this need to be a part of this very powerful political party. And that's kind of what happens it seems to every politician once they get into office. That's what happened to Obama, right? O- Obama was the guy that we all thought was gonna change the world. Like here you have this guy. He is this son of a single mother. He, you know, he is ... Comes from very humble beginnings.

    4. PB

      Relatable.

    5. JR

      Very relatable.

    6. PB

      Likable.

    7. JR

      Super likable.

    8. PB

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      Super intelligent, very articulate, and he has all this hope and change website. And i- in the website speaks very specifically about empowering whistleblowers, right? Helping whistleblowers. Meanwhile when he gets into office, one of the worst administrations ever-

    10. PB

      Yeah. Ever.

    11. JR

      ... at punishing whistleblowers. I mean, that's ... And then deletes that from the internet.

    12. PB

      What caused that though? What caused it? Did they-

    13. JR

      I think it's compromised once you get in there.

    14. PB

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      You realize, first of all, all these ideals that you have ... If he really did have a, have those ideals, if those were real-

    16. PB

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      ... and they were not just political talking points-

    18. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      ... that allowed people to, to love him. If he really did have those ideals, once you get in there and you find out, "Mr. President, have a seat. We're gonna tell you how fucked the world really is," and they read to you all the things that are going on in the world, all the different operations that are in- currently, uh-... being underway.

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      You get to see all the threats from around the globe.

  4. 6:14 – 9:50

    Deep state dynamics, intelligence agencies, and who really holds power

    1. PB

      What do you think changes people more? You think it's more a guy who grows up with, let's just say, uh, uh, not money, but he's, uh, popular and he likes power, and then eventually, he has certain values and principles he lives by. Then a guy with money comes and tries to buy him, he's willing to flip. Or a person who's left alone, they go make their money and they make their independent money, they're millionaires, decamillionaires, whatever, billionaires. And then later on, a person comes in and says, "I'm gonna give you the most powerful position out there, but I want you to change your way of thinking." Which one do you think is more likely to change? I don't know if that makes sense or not. So for example, think about Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan or a John F. Kennedy or a Lincoln, let's just say, or a Trump, right? Uh, one thing those... say the three have in common, I don't know about Lincoln, but the three have in common, Reagan, John F. Kennedy, and, and, uh, and Trump, they all had money. It's not like they were struggling with women or money. Right? Reagan, you know, married Jane Wyman. John F. Kennedy, I think at the end of the day was with what, three or four women in his lifetime, whatever the number is. He's, he's been around. He's had his fun. His father set the example. He had a great time. Uh, so to him, what party has he not been invited to? Or Trump, he did what he did. Then he gets into a position of power. Then the real power people behind closed doors that let's just say you and I don't know about-

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. PB

      ... the quiet power people. They come in and say, "Reagan, Trump, Kennedy, I want you to change your way of thinking. Don't push Federal Reserve too much. Don't push, you know, gold standard too much. Let's change." Who's more tempted to change, the power people or the money people?

    4. JR

      I think it's... uh, I, I don't think it's that-

    5. PB

      You know what I'm asking, right? Yeah.

    6. JR

      I do, I knew, I know what you're asking, but I don't think it's that clean. You know, I don't think there's like specific categories for, for human beings. I think the variables are much more extreme. I think there's, there's... the spectrum is very broad. And a guy like JFK clearly had some very strong opinions about positive changes that he could make to this country, very dangerous opinions. Like he wanted to get rid of the CIA. He wanted to get rid of the NSA. He wanted to get, he wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve. There's a lot of things-

    7. PB

      Oh, yeah.

    8. JR

      ... that JFK-

    9. PB

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      ... wanted to do that were very, very dangerous to the powers that be, what you would call, you know, the deep state. You know, every year or every four years rather, there's a new president, or at least we elect a new president, um, or they have a chance to, you know, have a second term. The people that are in power at the CIA, the FBI, all these pla-... they're in power for a long time.

    11. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      They're... that's a long time-

    13. PB

      No term limits-

    14. JR

      ... of running.

    15. PB

      ... for those guys.

    16. JR

      Long time of running things.

    17. PB

      Do we know who those guys are? Do we kinda have an idea who those guys are?

    18. JR

      I wanna know.

    19. PB

      Yeah, really? (laughs)

    20. JR

      It's like Baltimore.

    21. PB

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      You don't wanna say the name. Don't say Voldemort. Don't say it. You know, it's, I don't know, man. It's like I, I think you need intelligence agencies. Uh, I think it's a controversial opinion too. I think you need people around the world that are monitoring terrorist cells, that are paying attention to, uh, you know, rogue states, that are paying attention to dangerous places-

    23. PB

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... like China. Uh, you need, you need information. You need intelligence agencies. I'm not an anti-intelligence agency person. I think people that are are naive. I think, uh, I have friends that have worked for the CIA-

    25. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    26. JR

      ... and I've had long conversations with them-

    27. PB

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      ... about what it's like, in private. There's dark shit in the world. There's, there's, there's some terrible places in this world. And you gotta pay attention to all that, and you have to have contingency plans, and you have to have preparation.

    29. PB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      It's not my world, right? That's their world. I, I know, I know there's a need for those people.

  5. 9:50 – 13:34

    CIA tradecraft stories and the “don’t tell anyone” requirement

    1. PB

      I, I talked to, uh, uh, the former chief disguise officer. She's the one that makes all the... Jonah Mendes, and she's-

    2. JR

      Disguise officer?

    3. PB

      Disguise officer.

    4. JR

      Really?

    5. PB

      She's... literally, she goes in. Her job is to make your face identical to you. She puts it on, comes up to you, says, "Oh my gosh, you look just like me."

    6. JR

      That good?

    7. PB

      So she did this to President Bush, the first one, and she puts on the mask, goes up to him. He cannot believe. He thinks it's a human being looking just like him. And then she takes off the mask. She's the chief disguise officer.

    8. JR

      President Bush GW?

    9. PB

      No, the senior.

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. PB

      Yes, one term.

    12. JR

      They were that good back then?

    13. PB

      They were that good back then, right? And then there's a picture of it actually. Uh, if, if, if you pull it up, you'll see-

    14. JR

      Oh, I've got to-

    15. PB

      ... her holding it up.

    16. JR

      ... find that.

    17. PB

      Yeah, if you put chief-

    18. JR

      I need to see that.

    19. PB

      ... disguise officer Jonah Mendes President Bush. Uh, yeah, that right there. She's holding the mask and she was ma-... yeah, masks of the lady, and she's showing it. So they were able to make masks of anybody else. And one day, her and I are interviewing, I'm interviewing in DC, and I said, "What makes a good CIA agent?" And I'll never forget what she said. She said the craziest thing. She says, "Look," I said, "do you want the guy to be charming, charismatic? What do you want it to be?" She says, "We want him to be charming, charismatic, attractive, sense of humor, all of that. The only thing we don't want him to have is the following. If they end up saving the free world, world of another war, they don't need to brag about it to nobody else." Pretty crazy.

    20. JR

      Just keep your mouth shut.

    21. PB

      Just keep your mouth shut. And it's hard-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. PB

      ... to find people like this.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. PB

      It kinda goes back to, uh, what you were saying then. And I followed up and I asked a question. I said, "Uh, I don't know if I'm comfortable with a president..." Because typically anybody that becomes a president, what do they have in common? You have to be super competitive, right?

    26. JR

      Yes.

    27. PB

      You have to be a true believer in something, set of values, whatever those may be. Uh, and you have to be somebody that's a good salesman. I mean, if you don't know how to sell, you're not gonna be a president.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. PB

      We've only had 46 of them. 45 of them were great salespeople-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  6. 13:34 – 21:41

    Milley’s China call, Biden’s condition, and 2020 election dynamics

    1. PB

      Yeah. Uh, but, but at this point of the game, do you really want everybody to know everything? I don't know. By the way, even the one, uh, you know, only president has the ability to press the button. I mean, you know, there's, uh, there's gotta be a coup... I mean, you saw what happened with Milley recently.

    2. JR

      Yeah, he was saying that he was worried that-

    3. PB

      What you think about that?

    4. JR

      Uh, well, I think, technically, isn't... Is that treason? What is treasonous? If you're contacting a general of an opposing army-

    5. PB

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... and you're saying, "I'm worried that our leader might do something, so I'm gonna consult with you rather than consult with him," th- I think what you're kinda saying is you don't respect the commander-in-chief of the army. I mean, is... Uh, it depends. Like, I don't know Trump. I met him once. He has normal-sized hands, by the way.

    7. PB

      Really?

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. PB

      Okay.

    10. JR

      They're normal.

    11. PB

      So that conspiracy is out?

    12. JR

      Horse shit.

    13. PB

      Oh, my gosh.

    14. JR

      I have pretty big hands. I shook his hand. They were normal hands.

    15. PB

      You do have pretty big hands. I gotta tell you.

    16. JR

      They were, they were very normal.

    17. PB

      Yeah? Good.

    18. JR

      I was like, "How you doing?"

    19. PB

      Well, shout-out to Trump's hands.

    20. JR

      I was-

    21. PB

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      (laughs) I was, uh, doing the UFC, and he came over and, and touched my shoulder. I looked up, and it's fucking Trump. I'm like, "Hey, how are you? What's going on?"

    23. PB

      Have you ever invited him or no?

    24. JR

      No. No.

    25. PB

      You wouldn't wanna do it?

    26. JR

      That's a little heavy.

    27. PB

      Really?

    28. JR

      That's a little heavy. That comes with a lot.

    29. PB

      (laughs) So-

    30. JR

      Yeah. There was an opportunity during the election, and then I was like, "I'm not getting involved."

  7. 21:41 – 28:54

    Afghanistan withdrawal: sequencing, credibility of threats, and drone strike morality

    1. PB

      ... with his inner hairy legs. You know, just... he's got such a great sense of humor. I've never seen anybody tell comedy like that. But go- going back to it. So, on a serious note, if Trump was president today, talk about the Afghanistan situation, how we handled it. Talk about, you know, what happened with the Taliban. How different would things have been if he was still president?

    2. JR

      It's a good question.

    3. PB

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      It's a good question. I don't know. I mean, Trump wanted out of Afghanistan. That is- that is a very important point.

    5. PB

      No question about that.

    6. JR

      Yeah, and I f-

    7. PB

      He never wanted to go in the first place.

    8. JR

      No.

    9. PB

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      He's not a guy who is, uh... he's not interested in interventionist- interventionalist foreign policy. He doesn't want to invade these countries and be the police of the world. And I think... I think any way of pulling out of Afghanistan is going to be problematic, right? We've been there for so long. The Taliban wants control of Afghanistan again. I think it would have been a problem no matter what. But I think universally, uh, it's agreed that the way the Biden administration handled it was atrocious. I don't know what the best way to handle it would be. You would have to confer and consult to... with military experts. You'd have to... you'd have to figure out some way to ensure that you can get everybody out. You can't just pull out-

    11. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      ... and then leave people in there stranded and, you know, leave people that assisted the- the military, uh, at the mercy of the Taliban. And they're- they're... they didn't just do that. They left a list of who these people are. You know, they left their... all their- their data. You could find... they could find these people, the people that aided the United States, even translators. They're murdering them. I mean, that's happening right now as we speak. It's, uh... it's not good. I don't know what the right way to handle it is. What do you think the right way to handle it would've been?

    13. PB

      I think the biggest thing is sequencing. I think the real challenge was sequencing. So, you know game of chess or if you play backgammon or if you do anything, there's a certain sequence you go by, right? Maybe, you know, the same five moves one can make, move number five they made one. Okay? Which was supposed to be move number five but they made it first. So you can... two pe- two people can do the same exact five things but in different sequence get different results.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. PB

      So I just don't think the right sequence was used. That's number one. Um, in regards to the threat, there's a big difference, Joe. If you in like... you- you go to a bar and somebody says something to your family and you tell the guy, "Say one more thing to my family, I'm gonna destroy you." Okay? And the guy is gonna be like, "Joe, I'm just kidding. It was a joke." Right? You say that. Then another guy says, "I swear to God if you say one more thing to my family..." The guy's like, "Get the hell out of here. I don't believe you." I don't think they believed the threat today. So- so to me there's two different ways of giving threats. So when America gives a threat to say if you don't let one of our guys leave, I'm telling you-... "we're gonna hurt you." I don't think the Taliban believes it. I think the Taliban's sitting there saying, "Yeah. We don't think you're gonna do nothing." Okay? So for me, uh, I think this event the last... When- when I asked a question about Trump, what would have been different, I don't know. I think we would have probably still had some protesting going on because that protesting wouldn't have stopped.

    16. JR

      Hmm.

    17. PB

      I just don't know how different the Afghanistan would have been. That's the biggest... I think it would have been dramatic difference of Trump's handling versus Biden's handling.

    18. JR

      Well, I- I definitely think that Trump would have been more likely to follow up on a threat, right? But Biden did launch a drone strike in Kabul that wound up killing an innocent person, wound up killing someone who was delivering water to schoolchildren, and he killed this man-

    19. PB

      And I saw that.

    20. JR

      ... and it killed, uh, a bunch of kids. You know, this... And- and I say Biden did. It's not like Biden pushed the button, but he did give the orders. Um, the drone strike thing is a really scary part of military encounters because the amount of people that die that are innocent is off the fucking charts. I mean, I believe during the Obama administration, it was in the high 80%.

    21. PB

      Mm.

    22. JR

      And, uh, I think the drone strikes went up. There was m- even more drone strikes during the Trump administration. I mean, it's just... It's a scary way to do war because it's not, it's not acq... Imagine if there was a thing that we did where there was a bad guy in, um, say, uh, a market, and we walked in and just sprayed the market and killed the bad guy, but also killed 35 other people.

    23. PB

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      And if we saw a person do that-

    25. PB

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... we would be horrified.

    27. PB

      Yep.

    28. JR

      But to do something with a drone that winds up killing 35 innocent people-

    29. PB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... it gets no coverage. It's very strange because we're disconnected from it because it's a robot that shoots a missile, you know, by remote control. It's- it's sterilized in some strange way.

  8. 28:54 – 56:23

    Censorship and “virtual governments”: hashtags, bans, and narrative control

    1. PB

      enemy. It is I." I think the only thing that's gonna take this country down is not gonna be external, it's gonna be all internal. I think something's gonna happen internal here where people like yourself... We're sitting out there talking to your, your team and, uh, one of your guys brought up, uh, Rumble or Bitchute. He said, "Hey, you know, this is a place they can, you know, upload content." Because what if they censor certain people, right?

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. PB

      And a lot of people are like coming after you constantly, "I can't believe Joe did this." You know, "He may have never had COVID. That was just a publicity stunt. He didn't do that." And, "Why did he take that..." All this stuff. But if they silence you, who can't they silence next? So if they go after you and they silence... Say Joe Rogan doesn't have a voice anymore. You can't go on Spotify, you can't go on YouTube, you can't go on Facebook and talk anymore. Who's next after that?

    4. JR

      Well, it's a real problem.

    5. PB

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      I mean, look what they've done with the president, with the- with Trump rather, when he was in- when he was the president. The- a sitting president was removed from Twitter and all other social media platforms.

    7. PB

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Whether you agree with him or not, that's kind of crazy.

    9. PB

      I think so. Yeah.

    10. JR

      Because the Taliban's still on Twitter. The Taliban's on Twitter, Donald Trump's not. That's- that's fact. That's what's- what's happening right now. The ability to censor voices is unprecedented right now. I mean, we've never had anything like it. It's- it's one of the weirdest times ever where giant corporations have... They're- they're controlling the- the narrative. Like, they can decide. I showed you today on Instagram, the #naturalimmunity.

    11. PB

      Crazy.

    12. JR

      Have you seen this, Jamey?

    13. PB

      Crazy.

    14. JR

      Jamey, I'm gonna send this to you right now because it's- (clears throat)

    15. PB

      Absolutely crazy.

    16. JR

      It's really wild. The- the #naturalimmunity. I'm gonna share it to you right now, Jamey. I'm gonna send you this, uh, link.... this, uh, hashtag does not work on Instagram. When you click on natural immunity, it says, "Looking for vaccine info?" And then, it sends you to the CDC website. This is what you get when you're just trying to use a hashtag for natural immunity, which is a real thing. People that have recovered from COVID have a natural immunity that's not just as good as the vaccine, it's six to 13 times better according to this study out of Israel.

    17. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      Six to 13 times better. But if you even try to put that hashtag in on Instagram, they have decided to control the narrative.

    19. NA

      Uh, yeah. I just went to look for it, and that's what I had to-

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. NA

      But-

    22. PB

      So it's not even letting you go there.

    23. JR

      But did you get that... the, the, the, the text that I sent you?

    24. NA

      I, I was getting... Yeah. Okay.

    25. JR

      Go to the text that I sent you because it's an actual post. And so through the post, you can go to it and try it, which is, uh... I wonder if it works the same on a web browser as it does on a phone. Um, but let... Check it out. So if you go through the, the link that I sent you, try it.

    26. NA

      All right. It goes to the exact same thing I was just at.

    27. JR

      It's not working?

    28. NA

      It goes to this exact same thing I was at.

    29. PB

      This page isn't available. (laughs)

    30. JR

      So that's interesting because it's... But because it works on a phone, I'll do it here on my phone. So here it is. Can you see it? I'll click on it. Bam. Whoops, my fat fingers. Ha-... Natural immunity. Bam. It says, "Looking for vaccine info."

  9. 56:23 – 1:33:02

    Vaccine passports and the road to social credit systems

    1. JR

      They're like, "Yes, censor those people. Get rid of those voices. Deplatform people that I disagree with." And they don't understand where this goes. It's like where people are saying, the people that have, uh, that have been vaccinated that want a vaccine passport, "Yes, we should have a vaccine passport. I've been vaccinated. That's not gonna cha-... It's only gonna help me."

    2. PB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      "I did my part. I, I, I took one for the team and I went out and got vaccinated to be a good citizen. Those people who didn't, fuck them. We should have a vaccine passport."

    4. PB

      That makes zero sense.

    5. JR

      But here's the problem-

    6. PB

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... with it. The vaccine passport, it doesn't end there. It's gonna keep going and it's gonna lead to some sort of a social system. You're gonna have a social credit system similar to what they have in China.

    8. PB

      You think that's happening in our lifetime?

    9. JR

      100%.

    10. PB

      You're saying 100%?

    11. JR

      100% it can happen in our lifetime.

    12. PB

      Are you okay with that?

    13. JR

      No.

    14. PB

      Okay, so then my-

    15. JR

      It 100% can happen in our lifetime because people will step with it. They will g-... As long-

    16. PB

      Right.

    17. JR

      ... as it benefits them and as long as it aligns with their ideology-

    18. PB

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... they will ignore the dangers of a social credit system and they will embrace it.

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      If... I would never thought people would be... Look, six months ago, the White House was saying there's no way we would ever use some sort of a vaccine mandate. There's no way.

    22. PB

      Oh, no, but your... Kamala said, "I would never take the vaccine that Trump's coming..."

    23. JR

      So did, so did Biden.

    24. PB

      Yeah, both of them said that.

    25. JR

      Both, yeah. Yeah. They both did.

    26. PB

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      But then once they got into office, six months ago, they said, "We would never im- use a mandate. We would never try to force businesses or people to be vaccinated." Now, they are saying that. Now, they want you to do that. Did you see that video where they're, they're talking about, Biden's talking about the hurricane?

    28. PB

      No.

    29. JR

      Have you ever seen this?

    30. PB

      No.

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