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Joe Rogan Experience #1711 - Patrick Bet-David

Patrick Bet-David is an entrepreneur, author, and founder of Valuetainment: a multimedia company focusing on business and personal development. He's also the host of "The Bet-David Podcast."

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Jun 27, 20243h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 3:00

    Meeting Patrick Bet-David + character, discipline, and modern “victimhood” incentives

    1. PB

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. NA

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello, Patrick.

    4. PB

      How you doing?

    5. JR

      Very good. Uh, very nice to meet you. I enjoy your program.

    6. PB

      I appreciate that.

    7. JR

      I watch all the time.

    8. PB

      Thank you.

    9. JR

      Watch all the time on YouTube.

    10. PB

      Really?

    11. JR

      Yeah. Yeah. You're very good. Very good at interviewing people. I really enjoy, uh, your questions, the way you handle your interviews. So, I, I looked at a lot of your stuff and I was like, "I wanna talk to this guy."

    12. PB

      Very cool.

    13. JR

      So, here we are.

    14. PB

      Well, I, I've been following you for a while and I listen to everything you talk about, pretty much. So, I was telling yearly how necessary you are. Y- you're pissing a lot of the right people off today, which is good.

    15. JR

      I'm not trying. I'm not trying to piss anybody off. Just being me.

    16. PB

      We're glad you are.

    17. JR

      Oh, thank you.

    18. PB

      I know you're just being yourself, but we're glad you are.

    19. JR

      Well, thank you very much.

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      I'm glad you are out there too. W- the world needs, uh, strong voices, you know? People who have, uh, character and discipline and people who have carved their way through this life. It's important. It's an important thing for young people, in particular, to see coming up that you can be a person of character and discipline and you can get far in this business with drive. And you can get far in life with drive, in all businesses really.

    22. PB

      Do you think people can miss that? Like do you think people can, uh ... Maybe that was valued 50 years ago but not today because they're confused today? You think that can happen?

    23. JR

      I think people are still the same. There's still the- the same characteristics that make up a human being still exist, but there's pathways for excuses that exist today-

    24. PB

      Hmm.

    25. JR

      ... that didn't exist before. There's pathways for victimhood. There's like ... You can have, uh, there's credit in victimhood, social credit. And you know, "Well, I didn't get a break," or, "I didn't get this."

    26. PB

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      Or, "These rich people have that," or, "These suc- successful people have all the breaks." And there is a lot of clout in actually being a person who has, uh, been v- either denied or, uh, uh, uh, the pathways are unavailable to them so they get to bitch about it and complain about it. There's, there's a, a sense of ... Instead of dealing with the, the hand that y- you've gotten and trying to move forward in a positive way, trying to do your best-

    28. PB

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... with what you ... 'Cause everybody has a different starting point in life. Life is not fair in terms of like-

    30. PB

      No question.

  2. 3:00 – 3:50

    Marxism in universities and the appeal of egalitarian promises

    1. JR

      But it's still something that's being taught in universities.

    2. PB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      It's, it's Marxism and th- like, th- that kind of leftist thinking is very common in universities. And the idea is that it hasn't been done right. And w- what you could say that would argue for that is like, well, democracy, you know what I mean, obviously the Greeks had democracy and the Romans had democracy, but it eventually fell and, and turned into a dictatorship, right? But m- America was the first legitimate democracy that actually succeeded and still exists currently, right? This ... We were the first that like sort of got it right. Maybe this could be the first socialist-

    4. PB

      Got it.

    5. JR

      ... government that works. Maybe these young people.

    6. PB

      Led by that noble leader.

    7. JR

      Yes. Yes.

    8. PB

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      AOC or whoever it is.

    10. PB

      She would be wonderful.

    11. JR

      (laughs) Who knows?

  3. 3:50 – 4:39

    AOC’s political trajectory and what happens if she reaches the White House

    1. PB

      By the way, here's a question for you. I'm curious on what you say to this. What are the chances that she'll be president one day?

    2. JR

      Very good. Very high.

    3. PB

      Okay. I agree.

    4. JR

      Very high.

    5. PB

      What's high? 20%? Like-

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. PB

      Okay.

    8. JR

      At least.

    9. PB

      Okay.

    10. JR

      Yeah. At least 20%.

    11. PB

      I'm with you there. Yeah.

    12. JR

      She's very charismatic, very intelligent. People love her. Yeah.

    13. PB

      She's, uh, she's creating what ... She's got like what? 12, 13 million followers on Twitter?

    14. JR

      Something like that.

    15. PB

      And you figure in the next 10 years, that's probably gonna be at 100 million.

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. PB

      150, 200 million. And that mindset's gonna be bought by the younger generation and gradually we get to a point where somebody's gonna elect her. And if an AOC gets elected, then what happens to US?

    18. JR

      We'll find out.

    19. PB

      Would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Because we would actually be able to say maybe 80% taxes are not good.

    20. JR

      Well, I don't think it would ever get to be 80% taxes 'cause the people that would get her into the position to be pr- Like you're seeing compromises already, right?

    21. PB

      Hmm.

  4. 4:39 – 7:52

    How presidents get “compromised”: Obama, whistleblowers, and the reality briefings

    1. JR

      You're seeing compromises. If you're a person who pays attention to politics, you already see that she's sort of compromising her, uh, opposition to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and the people that are at the head of the party. They've already sort of started corrupting and making deals. Like this hard line leftism is tempered by this need to be a part of this very powerful political party. And that's kind of what happens it seems to every politician once they get into office. That's what happened to Obama, right? O- Obama was the guy that we all thought was gonna change the world. Like here you have this guy. He is this son of a single mother. He, you know, he is ... Comes from very humble beginnings.

    2. PB

      Relatable.

    3. JR

      Very relatable.

    4. PB

      Likable.

    5. JR

      Super likable.

    6. PB

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Super intelligent, very articulate, and he has all this hope and change website. And i- in the website speaks very specifically about empowering whistleblowers, right? Helping whistleblowers. Meanwhile when he gets into office, one of the worst administrations ever-

    8. PB

      Yeah. Ever.

    9. JR

      ... at punishing whistleblowers. I mean, that's ... And then deletes that from the internet.

    10. PB

      What caused that though? What caused it? Did they-

    11. JR

      I think it's compromised once you get in there.

    12. PB

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      You realize, first of all, all these ideals that you have ... If he really did have a, have those ideals, if those were real-

    14. PB

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      ... and they were not just political talking points-

    16. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      ... that allowed people to, to love him. If he really did have those ideals, once you get in there and you find out, "Mr. President, have a seat. We're gonna tell you how fucked the world really is," and they read to you all the things that are going on in the world, all the different operations that are in- currently, uh-... being underway.

    18. PB

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      You get to see all the threats from around the globe.

    20. PB

      What do you think changes people more? You think it's more a guy who grows up with, let's just say, uh, uh, not money, but he's, uh, popular and he likes power, and then eventually, he has certain values and principles he lives by. Then a guy with money comes and tries to buy him, he's willing to flip. Or a person who's left alone, they go make their money and they make their independent money, they're millionaires, decamillionaires, whatever, billionaires. And then later on, a person comes in and says, "I'm gonna give you the most powerful position out there, but I want you to change your way of thinking." Which one do you think is more likely to change? I don't know if that makes sense or not. So for example, think about Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan or a John F. Kennedy or a Lincoln, let's just say, or a Trump, right? Uh, one thing those... say the three have in common, I don't know about Lincoln, but the three have in common, Reagan, John F. Kennedy, and, and, uh, and Trump, they all had money. It's not like they were struggling with women or money. Right? Reagan, you know, married Jane Wyman. John F. Kennedy, I think at the end of the day was with what, three or four women in his lifetime, whatever the number is. He's, he's been around. He's had his fun. His father set the example. He had a great time. Uh, so to him, what party has he not been invited to? Or Trump, he did what he did. Then he gets into a position of power. Then the real power people behind closed doors that let's just say you and I don't know about-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. PB

      ... the quiet power people. They come in and say, "Reagan, Trump, Kennedy, I want you to change your way of thinking. Don't push Federal Reserve too much. Don't push, you know, gold standard too much. Let's change." Who's more tempted to change, the power people or the money people?

    23. JR

      I think it's... uh, I, I don't think it's that-

    24. PB

      You know what I'm asking, right? Yeah.

  5. 7:52 – 9:50

    Deep state, intelligence agencies, and the case for (and risks of) secrecy

    1. JR

      I do, I knew, I know what you're asking, but I don't think it's that clean. You know, I don't think there's like specific categories for, for human beings. I think the variables are much more extreme. I think there's, there's... the spectrum is very broad. And a guy like JFK clearly had some very strong opinions about positive changes that he could make to this country, very dangerous opinions. Like he wanted to get rid of the CIA. He wanted to get rid of the NSA. He wanted to get, he wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve. There's a lot of things-

    2. PB

      Oh, yeah.

    3. JR

      ... that JFK-

    4. PB

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... wanted to do that were very, very dangerous to the powers that be, what you would call, you know, the deep state. You know, every year or every four years rather, there's a new president, or at least we elect a new president, um, or they have a chance to, you know, have a second term. The people that are in power at the CIA, the FBI, all these pla-... they're in power for a long time.

    6. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      They're... that's a long time-

    8. PB

      No term limits-

    9. JR

      ... of running.

    10. PB

      ... for those guys.

    11. JR

      Long time of running things.

    12. PB

      Do we know who those guys are? Do we kinda have an idea who those guys are?

    13. JR

      I wanna know.

    14. PB

      Yeah, really? (laughs)

    15. JR

      It's like Baltimore.

    16. PB

      (laughs)

    17. JR

      You don't wanna say the name. Don't say Voldemort. Don't say it. You know, it's, I don't know, man. It's like I, I think you need intelligence agencies. Uh, I think it's a controversial opinion too. I think you need people around the world that are monitoring terrorist cells, that are paying attention to, uh, you know, rogue states, that are paying attention to dangerous places-

    18. PB

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... like China. Uh, you need, you need information. You need intelligence agencies. I'm not an anti-intelligence agency person. I think people that are are naive. I think, uh, I have friends that have worked for the CIA-

    20. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      ... and I've had long conversations with them-

    22. PB

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... about what it's like, in private. There's dark shit in the world. There's, there's, there's some terrible places in this world. And you gotta pay attention to all that, and you have to have contingency plans, and you have to have preparation.

    24. PB

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      It's not my world, right? That's their world. I, I know, I know there's a need for those people.

  6. 9:50 – 13:34

    CIA disguises, secret-keeping, and whether presidents should know “everything” (including aliens)

    1. PB

      I, I talked to, uh, uh, the former chief disguise officer. She's the one that makes all the... Jonah Mendes, and she's-

    2. JR

      Disguise officer?

    3. PB

      Disguise officer.

    4. JR

      Really?

    5. PB

      She's... literally, she goes in. Her job is to make your face identical to you. She puts it on, comes up to you, says, "Oh my gosh, you look just like me."

    6. JR

      That good?

    7. PB

      So she did this to President Bush, the first one, and she puts on the mask, goes up to him. He cannot believe. He thinks it's a human being looking just like him. And then she takes off the mask. She's the chief disguise officer.

    8. JR

      President Bush GW?

    9. PB

      No, the senior.

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. PB

      Yes, one term.

    12. JR

      They were that good back then?

    13. PB

      They were that good back then, right? And then there's a picture of it actually. Uh, if, if, if you pull it up, you'll see-

    14. JR

      Oh, I've got to-

    15. PB

      ... her holding it up.

    16. JR

      ... find that.

    17. PB

      Yeah, if you put chief-

    18. JR

      I need to see that.

    19. PB

      ... disguise officer Jonah Mendes President Bush. Uh, yeah, that right there. She's holding the mask and she was ma-... yeah, masks of the lady, and she's showing it. So they were able to make masks of anybody else. And one day, her and I are interviewing, I'm interviewing in DC, and I said, "What makes a good CIA agent?" And I'll never forget what she said. She said the craziest thing. She says, "Look," I said, "do you want the guy to be charming, charismatic? What do you want it to be?" She says, "We want him to be charming, charismatic, attractive, sense of humor, all of that. The only thing we don't want him to have is the following. If they end up saving the free world, world of another war, they don't need to brag about it to nobody else." Pretty crazy.

    20. JR

      Just keep your mouth shut.

    21. PB

      Just keep your mouth shut. And it's hard-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. PB

      ... to find people like this.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. PB

      It kinda goes back to, uh, what you were saying then. And I followed up and I asked a question. I said, "Uh, I don't know if I'm comfortable with a president..." Because typically anybody that becomes a president, what do they have in common? You have to be super competitive, right?

    26. JR

      Yes.

    27. PB

      You have to be a true believer in something, set of values, whatever those may be. Uh, and you have to be somebody that's a good salesman. I mean, if you don't know how to sell, you're not gonna be a president.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. PB

      We've only had 46 of them. 45 of them were great salespeople-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  7. 13:34 – 15:12

    Milley’s China calls, treason framing, and Rogan’s reluctance to host Trump

    1. PB

      Yeah. Uh, but, but at this point of the game, do you really want everybody to know everything? I don't know. By the way, even the one, uh, you know, only president has the ability to press the button. I mean, you know, there's, uh, there's gotta be a coup... I mean, you saw what happened with Milley recently.

    2. JR

      Yeah, he was saying that he was worried that-

    3. PB

      What you think about that?

    4. JR

      Uh, well, I think, technically, isn't... Is that treason? What is treasonous? If you're contacting a general of an opposing army-

    5. PB

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      ... and you're saying, "I'm worried that our leader might do something, so I'm gonna consult with you rather than consult with him," th- I think what you're kinda saying is you don't respect the commander-in-chief of the army. I mean, is... Uh, it depends. Like, I don't know Trump. I met him once. He has normal-sized hands, by the way.

    7. PB

      Really?

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. PB

      Okay.

    10. JR

      They're normal.

    11. PB

      So that conspiracy is out?

    12. JR

      Horse shit.

    13. PB

      Oh, my gosh.

    14. JR

      I have pretty big hands. I shook his hand. They were normal hands.

    15. PB

      You do have pretty big hands. I gotta tell you.

    16. JR

      They were, they were very normal.

    17. PB

      Yeah? Good.

    18. JR

      I was like, "How you doing?"

    19. PB

      Well, shout-out to Trump's hands.

    20. JR

      I was-

    21. PB

      (laughs)

    22. JR

      (laughs) I was, uh, doing the UFC, and he came over and, and touched my shoulder. I looked up, and it's fucking Trump. I'm like, "Hey, how are you? What's going on?"

    23. PB

      Have you ever invited him or no?

    24. JR

      No. No.

    25. PB

      You wouldn't wanna do it?

    26. JR

      That's a little heavy.

    27. PB

      Really?

    28. JR

      That's a little heavy. That comes with a lot.

    29. PB

      (laughs) So-

    30. JR

      Yeah. There was an opportunity during the election, and then I was like, "I'm not getting involved."

  8. 15:12 – 21:41

    2020 election choices: Biden’s fitness, protest-voting Libertarian, and the DNC vs Bernie

    1. JR

      The Biden thing was nonsense. We all knew it was nonsense.

    2. PB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      What's happening now is exactly what I thought was gonna happen. And w- this is what I said. I said, leading up to this, I said, "The, the, he's compromised. Like, d- he's got mental issues."

    4. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      I mean, we know that he had, uh, two aneurysms before. He had massive brain surgery, like very, very dangerous brain surgery.

    6. PB

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      He's got... Y- you know, he's old. 78 years old, and he's, he's not doing well. They have control of him.

    8. PB

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      They tell him questions to answer. He's been pretty open about it, unfortunately.

    10. PB

      81 million people disagree with you. He was the most popular president of all time. I mean, you have to realize. Like, bigger than Kennedy, bigger than Reagan. Reagan won 49 out of 50 states. That's a-

    11. JR

      I think 81 million people didn't want Trump to be president anymore.

    12. PB

      Got it.

    13. JR

      I think that's what it was.

    14. PB

      You think, you think that's what-

    15. JR

      Yes.

    16. PB

      So they're voting against.

    17. JR

      Yeah. Yeah, I think, uh, a lot of people would've won if they were in that position. I don't think it was Joe Biden that won. I think Tulsi Gabbard would've probably won. I think, uh, I don't think we-

    18. PB

      Against him?

    19. JR

      Bernie Sanders would've been a tough sell because too many people equate him with communism. You know? Even though he's a, what, what he would call a Democratic Socialist, and his plan to implement taxes, where it's, it's really... What his big plan was, was a very small percentage of trades, like, uh, you know, these, uh, speculations that, uh, stock market-

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      ... stock brokers do. Th- this, this very small percentage, less than a, a penny per trade, and that it was all gonna, you know, equate to a large amount of money. I don't know if that's... You would be the guy that I would talk to-

    22. PB

      Hmm. Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... about whether or not any of that shit makes any sense at all. But he would've had a hard time winning, I think. And I think that's one of the reasons why the Democratic Party didn't want him to be the candidate. That's why they sabotaged him in 2016, or-

    24. PB

      Two times.

    25. JR

      Yeah, twice they did.

    26. PB

      And he had a sh-

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. PB

      By the way, I think he, uh, whether you like, uh, Bernie or not or agree with his philosophies, I don't agree with his philosophies, but if there is a person that I believe that believes in what he's talking about, for the last 50 years that's been consistent, it's gotta be Bernie.

    29. JR

      I believe that too.

    30. PB

      Doesn't mean you have to agree with the guy.

  9. 21:41 – 28:54

    Trump vs Biden on Afghanistan: withdrawal execution, Taliban reprisals, and drone strike ethics

    1. PB

      ... with his inner hairy legs. You know, just... he's got such a great sense of humor. I've never seen anybody tell comedy like that. But go- going back to it. So, on a serious note, if Trump was president today, talk about the Afghanistan situation, how we handled it. Talk about, you know, what happened with the Taliban. How different would things have been if he was still president?

    2. JR

      It's a good question.

    3. PB

      Yeah.

    4. JR

      It's a good question. I don't know. I mean, Trump wanted out of Afghanistan. That is- that is a very important point.

    5. PB

      No question about that.

    6. JR

      Yeah, and I f-

    7. PB

      He never wanted to go in the first place.

    8. JR

      No.

    9. PB

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      He's not a guy who is, uh... he's not interested in interventionist- interventionalist foreign policy. He doesn't want to invade these countries and be the police of the world. And I think... I think any way of pulling out of Afghanistan is going to be problematic, right? We've been there for so long. The Taliban wants control of Afghanistan again. I think it would have been a problem no matter what. But I think universally, uh, it's agreed that the way the Biden administration handled it was atrocious. I don't know what the best way to handle it would be. You would have to confer and consult to... with military experts. You'd have to... you'd have to figure out some way to ensure that you can get everybody out. You can't just pull out-

    11. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      ... and then leave people in there stranded and, you know, leave people that assisted the- the military, uh, at the mercy of the Taliban. And they're- they're... they didn't just do that. They left a list of who these people are. You know, they left their... all their- their data. You could find... they could find these people, the people that aided the United States, even translators. They're murdering them. I mean, that's happening right now as we speak. It's, uh... it's not good. I don't know what the right way to handle it is. What do you think the right way to handle it would've been?

    13. PB

      I think the biggest thing is sequencing. I think the real challenge was sequencing. So, you know game of chess or if you play backgammon or if you do anything, there's a certain sequence you go by, right? Maybe, you know, the same five moves one can make, move number five they made one. Okay? Which was supposed to be move number five but they made it first. So you can... two pe- two people can do the same exact five things but in different sequence get different results.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. PB

      So I just don't think the right sequence was used. That's number one. Um, in regards to the threat, there's a big difference, Joe. If you in like... you- you go to a bar and somebody says something to your family and you tell the guy, "Say one more thing to my family, I'm gonna destroy you." Okay? And the guy is gonna be like, "Joe, I'm just kidding. It was a joke." Right? You say that. Then another guy says, "I swear to God if you say one more thing to my family..." The guy's like, "Get the hell out of here. I don't believe you." I don't think they believed the threat today. So- so to me there's two different ways of giving threats. So when America gives a threat to say if you don't let one of our guys leave, I'm telling you-... "we're gonna hurt you." I don't think the Taliban believes it. I think the Taliban's sitting there saying, "Yeah. We don't think you're gonna do nothing." Okay? So for me, uh, I think this event the last... When- when I asked a question about Trump, what would have been different, I don't know. I think we would have probably still had some protesting going on because that protesting wouldn't have stopped.

    16. JR

      Hmm.

    17. PB

      I just don't know how different the Afghanistan would have been. That's the biggest... I think it would have been dramatic difference of Trump's handling versus Biden's handling.

    18. JR

      Well, I- I definitely think that Trump would have been more likely to follow up on a threat, right? But Biden did launch a drone strike in Kabul that wound up killing an innocent person, wound up killing someone who was delivering water to schoolchildren, and he killed this man-

    19. PB

      And I saw that.

    20. JR

      ... and it killed, uh, a bunch of kids. You know, this... And- and I say Biden did. It's not like Biden pushed the button, but he did give the orders. Um, the drone strike thing is a really scary part of military encounters because the amount of people that die that are innocent is off the fucking charts. I mean, I believe during the Obama administration, it was in the high 80%.

    21. PB

      Mm.

    22. JR

      And, uh, I think the drone strikes went up. There was m- even more drone strikes during the Trump administration. I mean, it's just... It's a scary way to do war because it's not, it's not acq... Imagine if there was a thing that we did where there was a bad guy in, um, say, uh, a market, and we walked in and just sprayed the market and killed the bad guy, but also killed 35 other people.

    23. PB

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      And if we saw a person do that-

    25. PB

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... we would be horrified.

    27. PB

      Yep.

    28. JR

      But to do something with a drone that winds up killing 35 innocent people-

    29. PB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      ... it gets no coverage. It's very strange because we're disconnected from it because it's a robot that shoots a missile, you know, by remote control. It's- it's sterilized in some strange way.

  10. 28:54 – 33:42

    Censorship and “virtual governments”: deplatforming, Instagram hashtag limits, and narrative control

    1. PB

      enemy. It is I." I think the only thing that's gonna take this country down is not gonna be external, it's gonna be all internal. I think something's gonna happen internal here where people like yourself... We're sitting out there talking to your, your team and, uh, one of your guys brought up, uh, Rumble or Bitchute. He said, "Hey, you know, this is a place they can, you know, upload content." Because what if they censor certain people, right?

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. PB

      And a lot of people are like coming after you constantly, "I can't believe Joe did this." You know, "He may have never had COVID. That was just a publicity stunt. He didn't do that." And, "Why did he take that..." All this stuff. But if they silence you, who can't they silence next? So if they go after you and they silence... Say Joe Rogan doesn't have a voice anymore. You can't go on Spotify, you can't go on YouTube, you can't go on Facebook and talk anymore. Who's next after that?

    4. JR

      Well, it's a real problem.

    5. PB

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      I mean, look what they've done with the president, with the- with Trump rather, when he was in- when he was the president. The- a sitting president was removed from Twitter and all other social media platforms.

    7. PB

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      Whether you agree with him or not, that's kind of crazy.

    9. PB

      I think so. Yeah.

    10. JR

      Because the Taliban's still on Twitter. The Taliban's on Twitter, Donald Trump's not. That's- that's fact. That's what's- what's happening right now. The ability to censor voices is unprecedented right now. I mean, we've never had anything like it. It's- it's one of the weirdest times ever where giant corporations have... They're- they're controlling the- the narrative. Like, they can decide. I showed you today on Instagram, the #naturalimmunity.

    11. PB

      Crazy.

    12. JR

      Have you seen this, Jamey?

    13. PB

      Crazy.

    14. JR

      Jamey, I'm gonna send this to you right now because it's- (clears throat)

    15. PB

      Absolutely crazy.

    16. JR

      It's really wild. The- the #naturalimmunity. I'm gonna share it to you right now, Jamey. I'm gonna send you this, uh, link.... this, uh, hashtag does not work on Instagram. When you click on natural immunity, it says, "Looking for vaccine info?" And then, it sends you to the CDC website. This is what you get when you're just trying to use a hashtag for natural immunity, which is a real thing. People that have recovered from COVID have a natural immunity that's not just as good as the vaccine, it's six to 13 times better according to this study out of Israel.

    17. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    18. JR

      Six to 13 times better. But if you even try to put that hashtag in on Instagram, they have decided to control the narrative.

    19. NA

      Uh, yeah. I just went to look for it, and that's what I had to-

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. NA

      But-

    22. PB

      So it's not even letting you go there.

    23. JR

      But did you get that... the, the, the, the text that I sent you?

    24. NA

      I, I was getting... Yeah. Okay.

    25. JR

      Go to the text that I sent you because it's an actual post. And so through the post, you can go to it and try it, which is, uh... I wonder if it works the same on a web browser as it does on a phone. Um, but let... Check it out. So if you go through the, the link that I sent you, try it.

    26. NA

      All right. It goes to the exact same thing I was just at.

    27. JR

      It's not working?

    28. NA

      It goes to this exact same thing I was at.

    29. PB

      This page isn't available. (laughs)

    30. JR

      So that's interesting because it's... But because it works on a phone, I'll do it here on my phone. So here it is. Can you see it? I'll click on it. Bam. Whoops, my fat fingers. Ha-... Natural immunity. Bam. It says, "Looking for vaccine info."

  11. 33:42 – 56:23

    Who has real power now—and can competition realistically challenge Big Tech?

    1. PB

      Joe, que-... question for you. You got, um... There used to be a time being a billionaire was a big deal. Okay? It was a long time ago, that if you were a billionaire-

    2. JR

      It's not a big deal anymore?

    3. PB

      Nah, not right now. Power, specifically power.

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. PB

      So if I were to ask you right now, in order, I'm curious to know what you'll say, in order, who has the m-... most power, okay? So we got billionaires. Put the... anybody that's a billionaire, the richest people in the world, number one. Number two, uh, any of the major virtual governments that we have. I'm talking Twitter, YouTube, Google, Facebook.

    6. JR

      Virtual governments, I like that.

    7. PB

      Virtual governments. Okay. Any of those, so any of the major social media sites. You got the President of the United States. You got the universities, educational program, or mainstream media. In order, okay, who has the most power? So number one was billionaires, richest, like you got Bezos, you got Musk, you got guys like that. Then it's the virtual governments, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Google. Then you got our educational system, universities. Then you got the President of the United States. Then you have mainstream media. Who has the most power today in your opinion?

    8. JR

      I think right now, the most power to control the narrative is wa-... without doubt, these virtual governments.

    9. PB

      I agree.

    10. JR

      Yeah. I think that's, uh, insanely unusual that, uh, something like this exists. It, it's unprecedented. There's never been anything like a YouTube before or a Twitter before or a Facebook before or a Instagram that can completely control the narrative and d- decide, for whatever reason, decide whether or not you can use a hashtag, decide whether or not certain subjects can be discussed, decide whether or not accounts can be banned.

    11. PB

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      I mean-

    13. PB

      Who'd be number two? Who would you put after? Like who's, who's most powerful, least powerful?

    14. JR

      Uh, those... The government's... The government clearly is powerful, in- incredibly powerful. But I don't think the president himself has very much power. I think he's basically led around by the government around the president.

    15. PB

      Do you put him last?

    16. JR

      This president. No. I don't know.

    17. PB

      Okay.

    18. JR

      I don't know. I don't, I don't... I wouldn't... I'd have to sit down and think this through.

    19. PB

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      I don't think this is something you could...

    21. PB

      It's something to think about though, right?

    22. JR

      Yeah. It's definitely something to think about.

    23. PB

      When you... Because, because to me, i- if you start th-... start there and look at all of them... Okay, I don't think presidents have as much power as they did before, although they have power.

    24. JR

      I think Trump had a lot of power.

    25. PB

      I don't disagree. I don't think this one does. I think Obama also had a lot of power.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. PB

      I think both of those guys had a lot of power. Uh, universities, right now, 13 liberal professors per one conservative. That number, on some sites, is 11, some is 13, so 13 professors to one conservative. So a liberal's not gonna build up a capitalist, hard worker person that's a self-made guy. And then, you have the one conservative that's like, "Hey, all you care about is rich people," type of a situation. Okay. So universities, if you send your kid to UC Berkeley, he's gonna come out different if he goes to Berkeley.

    28. JR

      (laughs) Probably.

    29. PB

      Unless if he already thinks the way you thinks at Berkeley, right?

    30. JR

      Right, right.

  12. 56:23 – 59:14

    Vaccine passports and the slippery slope to social credit systems

    1. JR

      They're like, "Yes, censor those people. Get rid of those voices. Deplatform people that I disagree with." And they don't understand where this goes. It's like where people are saying, the people that have, uh, that have been vaccinated that want a vaccine passport, "Yes, we should have a vaccine passport. I've been vaccinated. That's not gonna cha-... It's only gonna help me."

    2. PB

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      "I did my part. I, I, I took one for the team and I went out and got vaccinated to be a good citizen. Those people who didn't, fuck them. We should have a vaccine passport."

    4. PB

      That makes zero sense.

    5. JR

      But here's the problem-

    6. PB

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... with it. The vaccine passport, it doesn't end there. It's gonna keep going and it's gonna lead to some sort of a social system. You're gonna have a social credit system similar to what they have in China.

    8. PB

      You think that's happening in our lifetime?

    9. JR

      100%.

    10. PB

      You're saying 100%?

    11. JR

      100% it can happen in our lifetime.

    12. PB

      Are you okay with that?

    13. JR

      No.

    14. PB

      Okay, so then my-

    15. JR

      It 100% can happen in our lifetime because people will step with it. They will g-... As long-

    16. PB

      Right.

    17. JR

      ... as it benefits them and as long as it aligns with their ideology-

    18. PB

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      ... they will ignore the dangers of a social credit system and they will embrace it.

    20. PB

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      If... I would never thought people would be... Look, six months ago, the White House was saying there's no way we would ever use some sort of a vaccine mandate. There's no way.

    22. PB

      Oh, no, but your... Kamala said, "I would never take the vaccine that Trump's coming..."

    23. JR

      So did, so did Biden.

    24. PB

      Yeah, both of them said that.

    25. JR

      Both, yeah. Yeah. They both did.

    26. PB

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      But then once they got into office, six months ago, they said, "We would never im- use a mandate. We would never try to force businesses or people to be vaccinated." Now, they are saying that. Now, they want you to do that. Did you see that video where they're, they're talking about, Biden's talking about the hurricane?

    28. PB

      No.

    29. JR

      Have you ever seen this?

    30. PB

      No.

  13. 59:14 – 1:28:39

    Vaccine debate in practice: mandates, Nicki Minaj, and ignoring natural immunity

    1. PB

      Okay. So, I got a story for you here from, from my personal end. My dad is 79 years old. Okay? Uh, conversation came about the vaccine. He said, "Are you taking it?" I said, "I'm not taking it." I was in the Army as... In the Army, the first day of going into the Army, they give you 11 air shots when you go in. (mimicking shooting sounds) And you just go through it. Literally, you walk-

    2. JR

      Eleven shots in one day?

    3. PB

      Eleven shots in one day back to back to back. And they say, "Don't move." If you move a little, you get a scar. I mean, I'll never forget this. I was 18 years old. So, I've had plenty of vaccine in myself. It's probably why I'm a little bit off. But... So, my dad, okay? He says, "Should I get the vaccine?" I said, "Dad, it's up to you. What do you want to do?" He says, "Pat, you know, I'm 70 some years old." I said, "Dad, if you're 79, do what you want to do." He said, "I want to get the vaccine." He said, "Go on and get the vaccine." Great. I didn't get the vaccine. I got COVID. So, he ends up getting the vaccine and two weeks ago, he just got his negative back from COVID. He got positive and he got pneumonia, my dad at 79. And he is okay. He's done. He's squared away. He has nothing to worry about today. Would it have been different if he didn't have the vaccine? I don't know. Okay?

    4. JR

      Most likely it would've been.

    5. PB

      Most likely would've been. So, I think-

    6. JR

      It would've been worse.

    7. PB

      ... it made sense-

    8. JR

      Yes.

    9. PB

      ... that he took the vaccine and it benefited him. A friend of mine, younger than am I 20 years, in great shape, didn't have the shot, didn't take the shot. He got vaccine, he got COVID and had pneumonia, was in a hospital for four weeks. Literally, he was hospitalized, right? Uh, for myself, I didn't take the vaccine. There's a few reasons why I haven't taken a vaccine yet. That's my only reason why I haven't taken a vaccine yet. But the biggest challenge for me is-... the conversation of being forced to take the vaccine. So Nicki Minaj, I'm sure you're kind of following this story with what's going on with Nicki Minaj-

    10. JR

      Yes. Uh, her cousin's testicles.

    11. PB

      (laughs) Her cousin's testicles, yeah-

    12. JR

      (laughs)

    13. PB

      ... in Trinidad and, and people are saying, "Are you kidding me about these testicles?" So, whether these testicles are just massive or something happened to them, or it was because of, uh, the vaccine, let's set that aside with the testicles.

    14. JR

      I've never heard of testicles swelling as a side effect.

    15. PB

      I haven't either. I've heard of other things-

    16. JR

      Yes.

    17. PB

      ... but not because the vaccine. So-

    18. JR

      Yes.

    19. PB

      So, okay. So that's that part. All right. So she goes up there and she says, "I don't wanna take it." On her live... Well, uh, y- Joe, you gotta listen to her live. It's so funny because she puts the camera and the (laughs) camera's at the ceiling.

    20. JR

      And she's just talking. Right.

    21. PB

      You never see her face. You're just talking, it's a live, right? And she says, "Let me get this straight," because, uh, she put it out there on Twitter that, "I got a call from the White House to go and have a meeting at the White House with," uh, the, the health secretary and, uh, what do you call it? With Fauci, right?

    22. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    23. PB

      Meeting with Fauci. And she said, "I would like to come, but I would like it to be live. Uh, instead of me traveling, I'd much rather not travel. Let's do a live." And they say, "Yeah, we don't mind doing it live, we just don't want it to be recorded." She says, "No, I want it to be recorded because I want my audience to see whether this is... You know, so I'm honest with the audience." They said, "Well, let us think about it." She has her PR rep on it and her agent on the call, so it's not like she's by herself. Then the White House comes back and says, "No, we never told you that you're gonna be doing this live," right? 'Cause she tweeted us and, "I got a call from White House." And she says, "Why can't I have the choice to not do it? Why can't I not have the choice?" The, the biggest contradiction for me-

    24. JR

      To not do the vaccine?

    25. PB

      I don't wanna take the vaccine.

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. PB

      And sh- they're, they're forcing her to do it and, you know, you heard a couple of the folks from, uh, I, I don't know what it was when they came out and they said... Who was the lady that we were talking about? She says, "I got two million followers, girl. I'm not at your level with, you know, s- 22 million followers on Twitter. You know, you, you can do better, girl. You oughta be ashamed of yourself for doing this because now people are not taking the vaccine."

    28. JR

      Who said that to her?

    29. PB

      Who's, uh, Joy, uh, uh, what's her name? Um...

    30. JR

      Oh, Joy-Ann Reid.

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