Joe Rogan Experience #1712 - Bert Kreischer Part 2

1. 0:00 – 0:56

   Comics as motivation: admiration vs jealousy in stand-up

   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

   4. BKBert Kreischer0:14

      I don't remember the bit either, but there's a few bits that you go as a comic ... I was just talking, uh, with, uh, Jo Koy about this. Where you get inspired by the comics, where you go, "Goddamn, man, I'm not working hard enough."

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Right.

   6. BKBert Kreischer0:27

      "I'm not doing enough."

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      That's why it's good to see people that are really good, right?

   8. BKBert Kreischer0:30

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      'Cause you get that juice, just like that fuel that you get from Goggins-

   10. BKBert Kreischer0:33

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... you get that fuel from watching Chappelle.

   12. BKBert Kreischer0:35

       Oh, I get that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Or watching Bill Burr.

   14. BKBert Kreischer0:36

       Or watching you guys all touring, doing these big shows-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah.

   16. BKBert Kreischer0:39

       ... and I go-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       It's interesting.

   18. BKBert Kreischer0:40

       Oh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       It's exciting. The ... But we have to ha- we have to resist the idea of being jealous, 'cause it's so common in our world.

   20. BKBert Kreischer0:50

       Or c- or just subtly cunty, or taking shots at kings.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. BKBert Kreischer0:55

       So, like ... So, like-

2. 0:56 – 1:43

   Reappraising Chris Rock’s greatness and influence

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:56

      Yeah.

   2. BKBert Kreischer0:56

      ... I, I, you know, I've, I, we talk- m- Tom and I talk about this on 2 Bears 1 Cave that's coming up. But, like, you know, Chris Rock got so big for a while that I think people stopped paying the respect he deserved.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      100%

   4. BKBert Kreischer1:08

      And I ... And when he got COVID, I realized how, just how important Chris Rock was to me. Like, I, like, out o- just n- you know, 'cause I think Norm had just passed, and I was a- the biggest Norm fan in the world. And then Chris Rock got sick, and I w- and I wa- I did, like, a deep dive on my own head of, like, just how fucking great that guy is.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:27

      Well, if you go back to, like, Bigger and Blacker, or you go back to-

   6. BKBert Kreischer1:31

      Bring the Pain, Bring the Pain.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:32

      ... Bring the Pain-

   8. BKBert Kreischer1:33

      Bring the Pain.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:33

      ... those are two of the best specials of all time.

   10. BKBert Kreischer1:35

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       Like, if you wanna look at your top 10 comedians of all time, in my opinion, you have to have Chris Rock in there.

   12. BKBert Kreischer1:41

       Without a doubt. Without a doubt, there's no questions I woulda thought it.

3. 1:43 – 3:19

   Martin Lawrence in the ’90s: “unfair” levels of killing

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      You know who was the dark horse?

   2. BKBert Kreischer1:45

      Hold on, give me a second. Man, I have a lot of dark horses, but I don't know-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:51

      Martin Lawrence. Martin Lawrence in the 1990s.

   4. BKBert Kreischer1:54

      So?

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:54

      People forgot. You Must Be Crazy.

   6. BKBert Kreischer1:57

      Dude. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      Or You're So Crazy, rather. You're So Crazy, and then he had, like, a couple other specials that were on that same level. He, he had, like, two or three specials that were like lightning bolts. And y- it's hard, because you gotta compare them for the time. Like, comedy's, comedy's a weird thing, man. Like, even, like, comedy movies from the '80s or '90s that you thought were the shit, some of them just don't hold up for whatever reason. And standup comedy, a lot of it just seems different, because the culture's so different, 'cause the world's so ... It, like ... Everything's evolving and changing so fast. It's hard.

   8. BKBert Kreischer2:29

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      But there's a few guys from the 1990s-

   10. BKBert Kreischer2:33

       (coughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       ... that would just obliterate, like, you forgot how good comics can be. And I remember I saw Martin Lawrence at The Comedy Store many times.

   12. BKBert Kreischer2:43

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:43

       Like, seven, ten times when he was in his prime. Somewhere around then. I remember he would come by and just sell out the main room, and you would just sit there and watch him murder, I mean murder.

   14. BKBert Kreischer2:57

       I wish I'd seen that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       Like, people falling outta chairs.

   16. BKBert Kreischer3:00

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:01

       I mean, screaming in agony 'cause they're laughing so hard. And it was, you know, this was 1994. Martin Lawrence was the king, dude, I'm telling you.

   18. BKBert Kreischer3:11

       The thing, the thing that Chris Rock brought, and I, and I - once again, I'm, I'm-

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       But hold on one second to tell you something-

   20. BKBert Kreischer3:17

       Please.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       ... before we go any further.

   22. BKBert Kreischer3:18

       Yeah.

4. 3:19 – 6:32

   Following killers: how pressure forged Chris Rock (and humbled Joe)

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      One of the things that happened to Chris Rock was he had to follow Martin Lawrence.

   2. BKBert Kreischer3:25

      At the store?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      No, no. They did a show together, and Chris Rock talked about it. He talks about it how it forced him to tighten up his act, 'cause he had to follow Martin Lawrence.

   4. BKBert Kreischer3:35

      Ah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      And he realized (clears throat) , and no disrespect intended, white people, he realized that-

   6. BKBert Kreischer3:39

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:39

      ... he said that he'd been playing at too many white rooms. And he realized, like, he had, he had gotten, like, a little bit lazy or maybe a little-

   8. BKBert Kreischer3:47

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:47

      ... slower than he should be. Whatever, he had developed a style that maybe wasn't ... He saw Martin crush, and then he had a hard time after him.

   10. BKBert Kreischer3:54

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       And then after that, you get some of the greatest Chris Rock performances of all time. After that, you get Bring the Pain. After that, you get Bigger and Blacker. After that, you get some of the greatest bits ever.

   12. BKBert Kreischer4:06

       Oh.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       So, he, he, he's so- and, like, we all ... Like, every time you've bombed, how many times h- Here it goes right here. He goes, "One night in Chicago-"

   14. BKBert Kreischer4:14

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       "... as usual, I was the headliner, and on this night, my opening act was an up-and-coming comic named Martin Lawrence. Now, normally, I never used to watch the opening acts, but I was in my dressing room when I heard a roar. I got up to see what was going on. I thought it was a fight or something, so I got up and went to the side of the stage. When I got there, I realized it wasn't a fight. It was people laughing so hard that the building was shaking. People were crying, standing, stomping their feet-"

   16. BKBert Kreischer4:42

       Oh, my God.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:42

       "... screaming laughter. I was terrified. It was like watching somebody fucking your wife with a bigger dick." (slams table)

   18. BKBert Kreischer4:51

       That-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       That's how good Martin Lawrence was. I followed Martin Lawrence almost every time I worked on a night with Martin Lawrence.

   20. BKBert Kreischer4:57

       Really?

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       Mitzi always made me follow Martin Lawrence. I never bombed harder in my life. With three-quarters of the audiences walking out as you're going on stage. I mean, three-quarters. That's how good Martin Lawrence was in the 1990s. I'm telling you, dude, I'm telling you, I would watch him, and I was like, "This guy is ..." Like, he's hitting some crazy RPMs. You know if you have a, like, a v- sports car? Like, 8,000 RPMs-

   22. BKBert Kreischer5:20

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (clears throat)

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       ... is crazy. Some of them go to nine. Some of them are like (imitates engine revving) .

   24. BKBert Kreischer5:24

       (laughs) Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       And then you're like, "How long can you go at that RPM?" Like, Martin Lawrence was on this wild RPM, where he was, he was crushing so hard, but then he had a bunch of issues, and then he d- had a sh- he had a show, Martin, and then he had a bunch of issues. You know, he had, like, like a, like a breakdown, right? Remember that?

   26. BKBert Kreischer5:44

       I do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       But I think a lot of that comes-

   28. BKBert Kreischer5:46

       Was it a stroke or something?

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       No, no, no, no. I mean, maybe. I don't, I don't know about that.

   30. BKBert Kreischer5:50

       I think he had a stroke in a, in a sweatsuit or something.
5. 6:32 – 9:38

   Talent vs work ethic, and why the best obsess differently

   1. BKBert Kreischer6:32

      See, my thing with Martin Lawrence is, and, uh, is that Martin Lawrence seemed like someone who was a, is a god gift to him, right? Like, the- the guy was just meant to entertain.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      Well, he was s- he was super duper talented, but he also worked really hard, man.

   3. BKBert Kreischer6:45

      But, uh, that's, it's, the thing with Ma- a guy like Martin Lawrence or Jay-Z-

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:48

      Yeah.

   5. BKBert Kreischer6:48

      ... it doesn't seem like they work hard. It seem- or Richard Pryor, it seems like, or Eddie Griffin. It seems like it just is what they do, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:54

      Well, it's that too. You know, there's a lot of th- those just what they do guys that never get to that level. Like, what separates a guy like that, you know, from a guy who is just a funny dude that we all know, that we hang around with at the store? There's always a guy who's just, like, really good.

   7. BKBert Kreischer7:11

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      And they go on stage and they're really good but they never figure out how to, like, get to a place like those guys. Like, what's the difference?

   9. BKBert Kreischer7:17

      Well, the difference for me, I mean, I know, I know for a fact my difference is when I saw Chris Rock and he talked about how he trained for a special, I was like, "Oh yeah, that's, that's, uh..."

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Oh, he would bring in comics and pay them to watch his set-

   11. BKBert Kreischer7:29

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       ... and give him notes.

   13. BKBert Kreischer7:31

       That's, that's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       Like, he was, he was working in collaboration with other people where he was like, he had, like, a group of peers and he would throw his ideas at them and say, you know, like, "What do you think about..." and then-

   15. BKBert Kreischer7:39

       Yeah. De Palo, maybe?

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       It's a brilliant... De Palo, Rich Vos, J- Richard Jeni was a big one.

   17. BKBert Kreischer7:44

       What was the thing that happened? That sounds... yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       Oh, it says, "Lawrence ran into traffic in Los Angeles screaming and acting like a madman." That's what I remember.

   19. BKBert Kreischer7:51

       With a loaded firearm?

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:52

       Okay. According to-

   21. BKBert Kreischer7:53

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       Yes, that's right. Big Mama's House after, uh, also had a loaded firearm in his possession. Lawrence was removed from the scene by law enforcement and hospitalized. Martin was yelling, uh, "Fight you no," "Don't give up," "Fight the power," or something like that, a witness told (laughs) a witness told KCAL. He was shouting some obscenities or something. Maybe he was just doing his act. Maybe he was working on a bit.

   23. BKBert Kreischer8:16

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       Anyway.

   25. BKBert Kreischer8:17

       I'm a, I'm a Martin Lawrence fan up and down.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       Listen, dude, I'm telling you, I, I am too but I just think it's hard to be that good. I think there's something about being that good as a guitarist or something to be about good as a tennis player or what, a bike rider, whatever the fuck you are. I was, I was just talking to a friend of mine about, uh, uh, Tour de France and about, uh, Lance Armstrong, like, how crazy you have to be to be that good. Like, the, the, to be that good against other people-

   27. BKBert Kreischer8:43

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       ... who are just like you, like, do you have to be so goddamn driven that you're better than all these other insanely driven motherfuckers? Like, you're dealing with, like, insane RPMs, man.

   29. BKBert Kreischer8:54

       Fucking in-

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Insane.
6. 9:38 – 14:50

   Heroes, discipline, and learning from every perspective

   1. BKBert Kreischer9:38

      So wait, here's my question then. So like, I know my heroes. My heroes are always the flawed dudes like Pryor, Belushi-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:44

      Yeah.

   3. BKBert Kreischer9:44

      ... Farley-

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      Yeah.

   5. BKBert Kreischer9:45

      ... John Daly. Like, the guys that are, are just, uh, the... Golfer, by the way. But, like, the guys that are always flawed. I, knowing, I, I know one of the things you do are, is really important to you is being disciplined. Who are your heroes? Like, uh...

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:00

      Well, it's, it's, like, a weird word, right? 'Cause it's like, who do... It's, I, I prefer to say, like, who do I admire? You know, and I admire people all lo-... I think it's, it's one of those things, like, if you wanna try your best to be a balanced person, you gotta investigate all the different aspects of your interests and your personality.

   7. BKBert Kreischer10:23

      Okay.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:23

      So, like, you gotta... I try to, I have, like, I have a lot of heroes if you wanted to look at it as, like, people that I really admire, that I think are, that elevate me when I listen to them or pay attention to them or elevate other people or provide a much needed service to the world or are an, an unusual voice. Goggins is one of those.

   9. BKBert Kreischer10:48

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Cam Hanes is one of those. Rhonda Patrick is one of those. Graham Hancock is one of those. Randall Carlson is one of those. There's, like, a lot of people that I know that are these insanely unique voices. Sam Harris is one of those. Uh, Bret Weinstein is one of those. Eric Weinstein is one of those. There's a lot of them. I can keep going forever but they're unique people that bring a perspective that I go, "Oh, wow." Like, now I can see things in a light that I didn't see before. But I feel like-

   11. BKBert Kreischer11:15

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       ... as a person, it's important to encounter all sorts of different perspectives, like the pacifist perspective as well as the warrior's perspective. I wanna talk to a person who doesn't even wanna eat meat. They don't wanna eat plants. They wanna eat just fruit because they know that it doesn't kill the plant.

   13. BKBert Kreischer11:32

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       Like, there's people that literally live off fruit.

   15. BKBert Kreischer11:34

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       I wanna, I wanna talk to them as much as I wanna talk to the people that only eat meat.

   17. BKBert Kreischer11:38

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       But the people that only eat meat seem, like, more interesting.

   19. BKBert Kreischer11:40

       Well, it's, it's, it's an interesting, it's a fucking... (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       (laughs) They have more energy.

   21. BKBert Kreischer11:44

       They, they can get through the day.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:45

       They don't look like they're dying. I don't know if you should only eat fruit but my point is, like, I wanna talk to as many fucking humans as possible that give me an, more insight not just to them but also to me. I think the more weird people you talk to or the more things that people admit to you, the more you start to think about your own self.And that, that's when I start thinking about, like, really judgmental people and really angry people and really-

   23. BKBert Kreischer12:10

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       ... bitter and shitty people. Like, what are you trying to do? Because are you trying to, like, improve yourself or are you trying to shit on all the people around you? You know, it's one thing if you're, like-

   25. BKBert Kreischer12:20

       I don't, I don't think they have, I don't think they have an angle. I mean-

   26. JRJoe Rogan12:22

       It's not necessarily-

   27. BKBert Kreischer12:22

       I don't mean it shitty to them-

   28. JRJoe Rogan12:23

       Right.

   29. BKBert Kreischer12:23

       ... but I th- I don't think they have an angle. It's gotta be t- it's, it's... I know for a fact it's terrifying t- to create your own content. I mean, to, to create your own content is, there are a lot of times you're gonna fail. I think it's easier to shit on people because it's... I, I know I've done it. I've done it. I've definitely done it on, on Two Terps One Cave.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:42

       We've all done it. We've all done it.
7. 14:50 – 19:58

   Authenticity, “brand” talk, and a detour into barbecue obsession

   1. BKBert Kreischer14:50

      I, I... I got into a conversation with someone who was trying to explain. They were trying to tell me what my brand was, and I was like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:56

      Oh, Jesus.

   3. BKBert Kreischer14:56

      I was like, "I, I, I don't know if..." And then I, I, I correct, I didn't correct... I don't... whatever the fuck I said, but I was like, "Brand is a, is a lazy term for authenticity." If you wanna say authenticity, I'll try to be as authentic as I am. Like, I know what I like, I know what I dig. I like, I like flip-flops. I make my own flip-flops.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      (laughs)

   5. BKBert Kreischer15:13

      That's what I like, right? I make my own flip-f-... I like flip-flops, you know? I talked, I was talking to YETI. I might have been talking to YETI and they were like... I was like, "I like your shit, man. I like your shit."

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:23

      They have dope coolers.

   7. BKBert Kreischer15:24

      They're amazing coolers.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Great tumblers.

   9. BKBert Kreischer15:26

      Their growlers are fucking-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Excellent.

   11. BKBert Kreischer15:29

       ... amazing. You load them with ice before you go to the airport and fill them-

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       It's a free YETI ad. I like their coffee cups too, the little coffee cups, the little lid thing on them.

   13. BKBert Kreischer15:35

       Their coffee cups are gangster.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Very good.

   15. BKBert Kreischer15:37

       And I go-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Solid products.

   17. BKBert Kreischer15:38

       ... "Are you saying YETI is my brand?" Well, yeah, I like their shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       They're my favorite shit. When I... if... I went to buy a cooler, uh, this week-

   19. BKBert Kreischer15:45

       Oh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       ... and unfortunately they were out of YETIs.

   21. BKBert Kreischer15:48

       Really?

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Yeah, I had to buy some fucking other fake-ass cooler.

   23. BKBert Kreischer15:51

       Oh, dude.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       They had sold them out. That's the problem.

   25. BKBert Kreischer15:53

       We travel, we travel with a YETI 'cause when you, when Dave does-

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       It's like, great.

   27. BKBert Kreischer15:56

       ... barbecue, you can close it up in a YETI with some bla- uh, some pla- uh, paper more than, right? (sighs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       What are you saying? What words are these?

   29. BKBert Kreischer16:03

       I don't know, Joe. I don't know, Joe.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       What are these new words?
8. 19:58 – 23:51

   From smoked meat history to salt wars and Portuguese conquest brutality

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:58

      Origin. It is believed that smoked meat can be traced back to primitive cavemen.

   2. BKBert Kreischer20:03

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:04

      Caves or huts did not have a chimney, so they'd be very smoky once the fire was discovered. It is believed that the early cavemen would hang meat to dry in their homes and then accidentally discovered that the smoke would give the meat a different flavor. Plus, it al- it also helped to preserve the meat better. That completely makes sense, doesn't it? Later on, the process of smoking would be combined with the pre-curing the meat with a salty brine or simply salt. Do you know they used to go to war for salt?

   4. BKBert Kreischer20:36

      Isn't that crazy, that they-

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:37

      That was the thing they went to war for.

   6. BKBert Kreischer20:39

      'Cause people would drive from Portugal all the way down the African coast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:43

      To steal salt.

   8. BKBert Kreischer20:44

      To get salt-

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:45

      To go to war.

   10. BKBert Kreischer20:45

       ... or, like-

   11. NANarrator20:46

       They didn't drive.

   12. BKBert Kreischer20:46

       ... or, like, lavender.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       They drove. They had Hondas.

   14. BKBert Kreischer20:48

       Did I say drive?

   15. NANarrator20:49

       Yeah. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:50

       They had Honda Accords.

   17. NANarrator20:51

       You're tough.

   18. BKBert Kreischer20:51

       I'm pretty hammered.

   19. NANarrator20:52

       (laughs)

   20. BKBert Kreischer20:54

       And they had to deal with the back, old school Muslims. I read a book about it, I read a book about it. You got me onto that fucking moonshine in the sun or the war of the moon.

   21. NANarrator21:03

       Emperor, uh-

   22. BKBert Kreischer21:04

       You got it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:05

       (Laughs) The Emperor of the Summer Moon?

   24. NANarrator21:06

       (laughs)

   25. BKBert Kreischer21:06

       Whatever. The fucking thing about Native Americans.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       It's about the Comanches-

   27. BKBert Kreischer21:10

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       ... right here in Texas.

   29. BKBert Kreischer21:11

       And then I got into that and I'm on, we're on tour this summer and I was like, "I need more shit like that." And someone's like, "Hey, check out this, this book about the Portuguese." And it was, like, a panic attack inducing book. Like, the Portuguese basically committed hate crimes down the African coast (laughs) to get around the corner to get lavender or, or cardamom, and it's just... I mean, I wish I knew the... Oh, it's in my-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:35

       Dude.
9. 23:51 – 32:56

   Modern tribalism: cruelty, COVID shaming, and left-vs-right team thinking

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:51

      Here's what I think. I think people are capable of that-

   2. BKBert Kreischer23:56

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:56

      Right now.

   4. BKBert Kreischer23:57

      Really?

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:57

      They just need to be driven by whatever external forces, whatever ideas, whatever ideology or whatever necessity. If they have starving children at home, if they feel like they've been invaded by foreigners that have ill intention, if they feel like their-

   6. BKBert Kreischer24:16

      Jesus.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:16

      ... their life is on the line. People get darker and darker depending upon how much pressure they feel under to defend themselves. If you put people in a situation where people are just at each other's throats, people are capable of stuff that's completely out of character. And I'm not equating this with murder and killing, but I'm equating this to how many people have you seen that are calling for unvaccinated people to not even be treated in hospitals? Like, how insane is that? There's, there's a lot of people that have been doing that, and it's a similar thing where people just decide to dis- it's, it's time to be cruel. It's time to let these people die. Like, people have made jokes about it, about letting people die.

   8. BKBert Kreischer24:55

      Really?

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:56

      Yeah. It's crazy because you would never do that about anything else.

   10. BKBert Kreischer24:58

       Well, but who the fuck-

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       There's this, we-

   12. BKBert Kreischer24:59

       ... would ever say, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:00

       There's a lot of people that have done this, but I don't wanna name any names. But there's a lot of people who've either made light of this or have sought out other people that have similar opinions and tried to get them all on their side and say together, "We need to, like, deny these people medical treatment. We need to shame these people. We need to make these people feel bad." But they don't do that with anything else when it comes to health. They don't do that with people that are overweight. They don't do that with people-

   14. BKBert Kreischer25:28

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:28

       ... who smoke. They don't do that with people who take drugs. It's the one thing that they feel like they should be actively shaming people for. And it gets very confusing because when people get mean like that and they say that people should be denied treatment in hospitals only because they're not vaccinated and yous don't say that about anything else, I gotta say, I don't know how you're thinking. If you don't say that about obesity, you don't say that about-

   16. BKBert Kreischer25:58

       Smoking.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:58

       ... alcohol abuse, smoking. You, the only this decision.

   18. BKBert Kreischer26:01

       Wow, that's interesting.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       This decision to not get vaccinated is the one that... And you go, "Well, that's because they put everybody else in danger." Again, I go back to this. I think it came from a lab.

   20. BKBert Kreischer26:13

       Oh, I think it's... Or, I thought we were... I thought everyone agreed on that, right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:16

       I don't... I'm not... M- I'm a moron. I don't know if it came from a lab. It might've come from nature, but I think that most of the scientists now believe it came from a lab. So, if that's the case, shouldn't we be more upset with that? Shouldn't we be paying more attention to that?

   22. BKBert Kreischer26:30

       Uh, yeah. I, I think it's a, it's abso- like... I mean- and I mean not to... If that's the protocol of, like, people's life decisions dictate whether or not you treat them-

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:41

       It's crazy.

   24. BKBert Kreischer26:42

       ... it gets super problematic.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:44

       It's crazy.

   26. BKBert Kreischer26:44

       Especially for a guy like me.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:46

       Especially when there's a situation where people are trying to figure this out. You know, there's a lot of people that are scared of, uh, doctors, period. They're scared of dentists. They're scared of all kinds of medical treatment. There's a lot of people like that. I don't think the best advice would ever be to shame those people into doing what you want them to do.

   28. BKBert Kreischer27:07

       No. And, and I'm for-

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:08

       And some people feel like that's what you have to do, but I feel like there's... We gotta be very resistant, very hesitant, and we have to resist this idea of declaring other human beings as the other because it's a real, uh, instinct that a lot of us have. It's a re- real instinct that we have when we're dealing with, uh, d- people that root for other teams. Like, people in Philadelphia are notorious for beating the fuck out of, like-

   30. BKBert Kreischer27:33

       (laughs)
10. 32:56 – 36:13

    Vaccines aren’t binary: risk tradeoffs, kids, and institutional trust

    1. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       Yeah, it's like, it's weird because the vaccines definitely help people too. It's one of those complicated issues, man, that's, uh, one of the things about being a person is that oftentimes stuff is not black and white.

    2. BKBert Kreischer33:07

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:07

       And we wanna pretend it's black and white because if it is, it, it suits our purposes. It, it defends our opinions. It's not black or white, you know? There was a study that recently came out that showed that for teenage boys, uh, it could be more dangerous to get the vaccine than it is to get COVID.

    4. BKBert Kreischer33:25

       Really?

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       Yeah. Google that, Jamie. I'll send you a link 'cause I know I saved that 'cause it's such a crazy story. But it's, um, it's one of those ones where you're like, "Oh, Jesus."

    6. BKBert Kreischer33:39

       What's funny when I have the op-

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       Do you see it, Jamie? If you don't, I can definitely find it. Here it is. Uh, this one's from The Guardian. I, I think I read f- from a different paper, but it says... Go, go back up, please. "Boys more at risk from Pfizer jabs side effect than COVID, suggest studies." Success, suggest study, excuse me. "US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in the hospital with COVID." Now, this is in The Guardian. This is a major newspaper, so for them to say this, this is not like some fringe Geocities page where some crazy person-

    8. BKBert Kreischer34:16

       The Glaze.

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:16

       ... it's, it's not s- it's not clickbait. This is, uh, it says, "Most children who experienced a rare side effect had symptoms within days of the second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, though a similar side effect is seen in the Moderna jab. About 86% of the boys affected required some hospital care, s- the author said." So, the thing is, like, young people, for whatever reason, in this disease, it's, it seems to be a fact that young people, statistically speaking, are better at recovering from it. That seems to be true.

    10. BKBert Kreischer34:53

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:53

        And I think if we deny that, it's gonna make people super suspicious because they're gonna say like, "Okay, are we operating on information, or are we operating on an ideology?" So, if we're operating on information, we would say that these young people seem to be way better at surviving this infection. We just have to make sure they don't spread it to other people.

    12. BKBert Kreischer35:13

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:14

        So, we should be better at, like, figuring out how to test these young people regularly, and then figure out what's the best treatment for the people that are in danger that are around them, whether they're vaccinated or whether they're unvaccinated. But the idea of like jabbing all these young kids with these f- spectacular immune systems, it's like, I don't know. I, if you read that you go, "I don't know what we're doing here. What are we do- why are we doing this?" Is this, is it because we wanna protect other people? You know, I don't know if that's the best way to do it.

    14. BKBert Kreischer35:45

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:45

        Is this the best way to do it?

    16. BKBert Kreischer35:47

        It's amazing that kids ha- it's amazing to think that kids have done what they have done for their parents, you know? Like that they all are wearing masks, they all quarantined, they all... Like, that I would have-... I, you couldn't have kept me in my house.

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:02

        Right.

    18. BKBert Kreischer36:02

        I wouldn't have done it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:03

        But we, we grew up without the internet.

    20. BKBert Kreischer36:05

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:06

        Those are wilder people. Those are monkey people.

    22. BKBert Kreischer36:08

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:09

        You know? (laughs) We're, we're like one natural disaster away from cannibalism.

    24. BKBert Kreischer36:13

        Dude.

11. 36:13 – 42:48

    Early internet disbelief to MySpace marketing: Dane Cook ahead of the curve

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:13

       You know, those people back then when, where we grew up, with no internet. When was the first time you got on the internet? How old were you?

    2. BKBert Kreischer36:20

       I was, uh, in college. It was Prodigy, and I got sports lines. That was like, we get sport lines, that was it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan36:26

       Do you remember that moment where you're like-

    4. BKBert Kreischer36:28

       I do.

    5. JRJoe Rogan36:28

       ... "What the fuck is this?"

    6. BKBert Kreischer36:30

       My dad bought me a computer, and I brought a computer back to my house. And I plugged it in, and we hooked it to the internet. And, and we, you know, everyone gambled in college, and th- the sport lines came up. And that's ... I remember thinking, "So th- I got this one thing for the sport lines?" And then they were like, and then my teacher said, "So your proge- project tonight is to go home, take your article, cut and paste it, and then email it to me." And I remember being so fucking lost. I was like, "Cut and paste how? Like, how do I get it off of what I wrote it on? How do I cut that out and then mail it to you?" Like, I'm being so fucking lost, and I was like, "This email shit's not gonna last."

    7. NANarrator37:10

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan37:10

       I was like, "There's no way. There's no way that people are gonna use this for real."

    9. NANarrator37:15

       Somebody said that about the early home computers. I remember ... I forget what, what person it was, but they were mocking the idea that everyone would want a computer in their home.

    10. BKBert Kreischer37:26

        I, I remember someone telling me that there would be ... You would get ... Watch movies on your computer. And I was like, "So you're telling me ... Oh, Brian Gumball?"

    11. NANarrator37:35

        Oh, we gotta hear this.

    12. NANarrator37:36

        ... doing that little tease.

    13. NANarrator37:37

        Oh, that's right.

    14. NANarrator37:37

        That little mark-

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:38

        '94.

    16. NANarrator37:39

        ... with the A and then the ring around it.

    17. NANarrator37:40

        At.

    18. NANarrator37:41

        See, that's what I said.

    19. NANarrator37:42

        Mm-hmm.

    20. NANarrator37:43

        Um, Katie said she thought it was about. Yeah. Oh. But I'd never heard it- Or around or about.

    21. BKBert Kreischer37:47

        (laughs)

    22. NANarrator37:47

        I'd never heard it said. I'd always seen the mark-

    23. NANarrator37:49

        Yeah.

    24. NANarrator37:49

        ... but never heard it said.

    25. NANarrator37:51

        Yeah.

    26. NANarrator37:51

        And then it sounded stupid when I said it, violence at NBC.

    27. NANarrator37:54

        (coughs) Yeah, it would be around or about.

    28. NANarrator37:56

        I heard somebody pig fart. (laughs)

    29. NANarrator37:56

        In the lunchroom the other week. (laughs)

    30. NANarrator37:57

        See? There it is. Violence at NBC GE com. I mean ...
12. 42:48 – 48:18

    Luck vs grind: Kevin Hart debate, imposter syndrome, and enjoying success

    1. BKBert Kreischer42:48

       "... you get a shot." Kevin Hart, and I, and I, and I have previously jokingly talked shit about Kevin Hart, but the-

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:55

       How dare you?

    3. BKBert Kreischer42:55

       I know, I know, I know.

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:56

       Why'd you do that?

    5. BKBert Kreischer42:57

       Ah, it's... I don't know. I don't know.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:59

       Were you jealous?

    7. BKBert Kreischer43:00

       Uh, no. No.

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:01

       Were you on pills?

    9. BKBert Kreischer43:02

       No, I was drunk.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:03

        Oh.

    11. BKBert Kreischer43:03

        But I was, but I-

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:04

        What did you say, was it valid?

    13. BKBert Kreischer43:06

        Uh, no, not anymore.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:10

        (laughs)

    15. BKBert Kreischer43:11

        (laughs) But like, it was, it was, it was that I, I loved, I loved hearing his hard work ethic, but I always felt like f- hard work for the average guy d- there's a lot of guys that, that bust their ass and they don't move forward. You gotta acknowledge your luck sometimes, and I would... And I just said, "In these Instagram posts, I wanna hear about your luck. I wanna hear about the luck that you had." Right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:30

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BKBert Kreischer43:30

        Not realizing in doing what he does just how hard he works. I don't think I ever realized that. Like, and I've had a small taste of what he does, like where you do a movie and you do a tour and you do all that, and you have a TV show and you have a book or whatever, and I was like, "Oh, I didn't realize how hard he actually worked." Like, I just was like, "Everyone gets... Just give everyone the luck and they'll all get there." And I didn't, I don't think I realized just how hard he busted his ass.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        I think the problem is concentrating on any one thing, whether it's concentrating on a person's luck or concentrating on a person's discipline.

    19. BKBert Kreischer44:01

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:01

        It's like we've decided we're looking for a binary, we're looking for a one or a zero, or we're looking for were you lucky?

    21. BKBert Kreischer44:08

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        Was your dad rich or were you born in the projects and you're hustling and now you're a self-made person? Which one is it? That's like-

    23. BKBert Kreischer44:18

        But Kevin, Kevin Hart has had a f- he got an, a couple opportunities and he, and he capitalized on them. And you... And I think I misunderstood that for, like, the opportunity is the luck part.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:29

        Yeah.

    25. BKBert Kreischer44:29

        Give that to anyone and they all capitalize on it, and that's not true.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        But it's more-

    27. BKBert Kreischer44:33

        That's not accurate.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:33

        But there's many more facets to that diamond.

    29. BKBert Kreischer44:35

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:35

        I think there's also he worked really hard and that's how the opportunity presented itself in the first place. It's not just like this opportunity was just, uh, there for anybody and he happened to stumble upon it, but then worked hard. No, he worked hard-
13. 48:18 – 56:51

    Psychedelics and policy: Fantastic Fungi, microdosing, and decriminalization

    1. BKBert Kreischer48:18

       Dude, I, uh... So that P- Paul Damence guy?

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:22

       Stamets?

    3. BKBert Kreischer48:23

       Stamets guy.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:23

       Yeah, the, the guy who's, uh, mushroom-

    5. BKBert Kreischer48:26

       Right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:27

       Yeah. Specialist.

    7. BKBert Kreischer48:27

       So, I, I fucking... I g- I had a really hard time with my surgery where I thought I was gonna die. And I, I had hardcore panic attacks, get the surgery, right? I come out on the other side and I see his documentary about the magical mushroom, whatever it is.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:40

       Um-

    9. BKBert Kreischer48:42

       And I-

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:42

        What is the doc- it's the Netflix one.

    11. BKBert Kreischer48:43

        Yeah, it's really great.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:44

        Fungi? Is it Magical Fungi? What is it?

    13. BKBert Kreischer48:46

        Fantastic Fungi.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        Fant- that's it. That's it, Fantastic Fungi.

    15. BKBert Kreischer48:49

        And so, I'm like, I'm like, "This is fun." I don't-

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:52

        He's, uh, he's an awesome human. He's a fascinating person. He's a legit mycologist, right? Like, he really understands... He, he was the first guy to explain to me that mushrooms actually breathe air like we do.

    17. BKBert Kreischer49:02

        Yeah, uh, we met that guy. So, you did a podcast with him and then me, Ari, and Tom did the next podcast with that guy.

    18. JRJoe Rogan49:11

        Oh.

    19. BKBert Kreischer49:11

        And we met him and you were like, you guys were like, you were like, "You don't know who this guy is. He's like the foremost..." Like, this is before the Netflix documentary.

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:18

        You mean we met at the store?

    21. BKBert Kreischer49:19

        No, in the, you're, you did a podcast with him.

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:20

        Oh, at, that's right. That's right. You guys were at the same place.

    23. BKBert Kreischer49:24

        Yeah, we met him.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:25

        Right, right, right, right, right.

    25. BKBert Kreischer49:25

        Cool dude. So, I watch the documentary and I, and I start going like, "Oh man, this... I, maybe I gotta try mushrooms. Maybe I gotta get on mushrooms." And g- and back, I've, I've done them before, but I did them just to party. Maybe I gotta try it to open up my mind and get rid of some anxiety-

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:40

        Yeah.

    27. BKBert Kreischer49:40

        ... some of the fucking shit that keeps me up at night. And I'm thinking about this, and then my daughter Isla goes... We're at the fire pit in our backyard, she goes, "Have you seen this Fantastic Fungi v- documentary?" (laughs) She's like 15.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:53

        Whoa.

    29. BKBert Kreischer49:53

        And I go, "I have." She goes, "I mean, that stuff makes sense." (laughs) I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." I'm like-

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:00

        Jesus Christ.
14. 56:51 – 1:06:53

    Music as a time machine: Steely Dan, Robert Johnson, and progress

    1. BKBert Kreischer56:51

       And that's a, one of the things I fell in love w- with John Mulaney about. John Mulaney-

    2. JRJoe Rogan56:55

       Oh, he's into moosic?

    3. BKBert Kreischer56:56

       John Mulaney-

    4. JRJoe Rogan56:57

       Moosic? (laughs) What's wrong with this podcast?

    5. BKBert Kreischer56:59

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan56:59

       This podcast is cursed. I go to the mountains, to the woods for a week and it all falls apart.

    7. BKBert Kreischer57:05

       John Mulaney, uh, used to do coke and listen to Steely Dan by himself in college. And I go-

    8. JRJoe Rogan57:12

       Wow.

    9. BKBert Kreischer57:13

       ... "That's a fucking romantic. That's..." Steely Dan is one of the best bands and I fell in love... I, I... This is, like, a old school-

    10. JRJoe Rogan57:20

        But w- but on coke, it'd be like probably a different sound, right? It's like Grateful Dead, you only really understand them when you're on acid.

    11. BKBert Kreischer57:26

        Oh, dude, this... And by the way, I, like, obviously m- John Mulaney said that's not what I said, that's okay. But like, dude, I fell in love with... I heard him say that and I went, I went, "That's a guy that gets it. He gets it."

    12. JRJoe Rogan57:37

        Go back, Jack, do it again.

    13. BKBert Kreischer57:39

        Do, uh, uh, Dirty Work. Dirty Work. Have you ever heard of Dirty Work?

    14. JRJoe Rogan57:42

        Wheels spinning round and round.

    15. BKBert Kreischer57:43

        Do you wanna... This is so-

    16. JRJoe Rogan57:44

        We go back, Jack.

    17. BKBert Kreischer57:45

        ... when we did Red Rocks, I played this. All I played was Steely Dan.

    18. JRJoe Rogan57:49

        Yeah? Really?

    19. BKBert Kreischer57:50

        Dir- oh, all I played was Steely Dan. (music)

    20. JRJoe Rogan57:53

        You played this backstage?

    21. BKBert Kreischer57:54

        All, all we played, all weekend.

    22. JRJoe Rogan58:04

        Look at that.

    23. BKBert Kreischer58:05

        This, this is-

    24. JRJoe Rogan58:05

        The very best of Steely Dan.

    25. BKBert Kreischer58:08

        Ricky, do you remember this number?

    26. JRJoe Rogan58:08

        Is that a real car? What is that car?

    27. BKBert Kreischer58:11

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan58:11

        I don't think that's a real car.

    29. BKBert Kreischer58:12

        It's not a real...

    30. NANarrator58:13

        I'm the harm you're afraid of baby.
15. 1:06:53 – 1:12:01

    From hemp history to anxiety chemistry: weed stigma, MDMA/PTSD, and 5-HTP

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:53

       Well, he didn't, he wa- he hated losing money. Uh, this is what he hated. So, he had, and this is a controversial sort of conspiratorial theor- but there's, it's a theory, but there's a lot of, like, evidence that points in this direction, is that at one point in time, Popular Science put a cover on one of their magazine that said, "Hemp, the new billion-dollar crop."

    2. BKBert Kreischer1:07:17

       Oh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:07:17

       And it's because they had created a new machine called a decorticator. And what a decorticator was, was in the old days, they used... There it is right there, "The new billion-dollar crop." See if you can, like, get the whole, uh, cover of it. The cover of the Popular Science is really interesting-

    4. BKBert Kreischer1:07:34

       (sighs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:07:34

       ... 'cause it was on the cover.

    6. BKBert Kreischer1:07:36

       Is that closed too?

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:07:37

       Um, yeah. Well, here's the thing. Th- the- the fibers of the hemp plant are very, very, very unique, and it's something that we, uh, are, are right now just starting to adjust to. Like, you can sell hemp. You know, m- my company, Onnit, one of the things that we would sell is hemp protein.

    8. BKBert Kreischer1:07:57

       Oh, I, I took hemp protein.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:07:59

       And it was really hard because we had to get it, it had to be grown in Canada and then it had to be shipped to the United States in the early days.

    10. BKBert Kreischer1:08:05

        Really?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:08:05

        Before they allowed it to be grown in America. It was so preposterous because there was no THC in it at all, but we couldn't even get it in America.

    12. BKBert Kreischer1:08:13

        Really?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:08:14

        So, we had to get it grown in Canada, and then we'd bring it over across the border, and they had to, y- we had to make sure that it didn't have any THC. The whole idea is, is that hemp seeds have an amazing, like, nutritional profile. They're really high in amino acids. It's really easy to digest. It's a really good solid protein. It's really good for you, and it's one of the best plant-based proteins. But people are so averse to this idea of marijuana being good for you in any way, that they attach it to hemp, which is something that's like, it's like, it's in the marijuana family, but it's, it has no THC in it at all if it's processed correctly. And they still would, uh, fuck with people who were trying to use THC to treat arthritis and all kinds of d- other ailments. And it's just, it gets attached to that same thing, like it's a, it's a, it gets demonized, and this is all back to the 1930s. All of it.

    14. BKBert Kreischer1:09:09

        Really?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:09:09

        It's not... No, 100%. And it's not based on reality. It's not based on marijuana's killing people. That's nonsense. There's one real link to schizophrenic episodes, and there's a real consideration there.

    16. BKBert Kreischer1:09:22

        Oh, by the way, I feel like I was there one time in ninth grade.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:09:25

        I bet you were.

    18. BKBert Kreischer1:09:26

        I f- I ve- I feel like I lost my shit smoking weed in that grade.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:09:29

        I bet you became really close. I've been close a bunch of times. (laughs)

    20. BKBert Kreischer1:09:34

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:09:34

        I think the thing is, though, that there's a certain percentage of the population that is schizophrenic. I don't, I think it's like 1%.

    22. BKBert Kreischer1:09:43

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:09:43

        And I think that's pretty standard. I think that number's pretty standard. I don't think it gets higher or lower depending upon marijuana consumption. And I, I wanna be clear that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

    24. BKBert Kreischer1:09:56

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:09:56

        But let's find out if that's true because I think that the numbers... So, like, say if someone smokes weed and they blow their f- they, they get crazy.

    26. BKBert Kreischer1:10:03

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:10:04

        They blow their mind and they start acting nutty and they become schizo.

    28. BKBert Kreischer1:10:07

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:10:07

        Like, how sure are we they, they weren't on their way before that happened? What-

    30. BKBert Kreischer1:10:11

        That was gonna happen anyway. I think I would, I would, I would argue that, I mean, I would argue that everyone that I know that's schizophrenic, and I know a few dudes, brothers, that are schizophrenic-

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