Joe Rogan Experience #1720 - Tony Hinchcliffe & Brian Redban

1. 0:01 – 2:39

   Mask theater, virtue signaling, and regional COVID paranoia

   1. NANarrator0:01

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Oh, hello, boys.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe0:14

      Hey.

   5. BRBrian Redban0:14

      Hello.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs) This is gonna be one of those shows.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe0:18

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      How's it sound with that on?

   9. BRBrian Redban0:21

      It sounds perfectly normal.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       (laughs)

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe0:25

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs) Today, how many times have you, like, heard... I've heard videos on YouTube where, like, th- this guy was reviewing watches and he was wearing a mask while he was reviewing the video. So, you could, like, hear the (muffled sound) muffle thing. I'm like, this is gonna be... Like, we're gonna look back on these days with the, the masks and all the, the people that were, like, taking them off and then putting them back on to take photos. Like, all the times that politicians have been busted doing that. And we're gonna say, "This was, like, a specially stupid time."

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe0:56

       So stupid.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Specially stupid. Not saying that it's stupid to wear a mask. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying the virtue signaling of it.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:02

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       The, the theater of it all.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       I-

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:05

       People put on the mask before, like, giving a speech and then-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Yeah.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09

       ... Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Well, they have it off and they're hanging out backstage, and then there's a video of them putting it on, then getting in front of everybody, and then taking it off in front of everybody giving the speech. Like, it's just theater. Like, when Rand Paul was in front of Fauci and he said, you know, "Your, your vaccine, why are you wearing this mask?" It's theater. He's, he was right. It is, it's a theater. It's to let everybody know you're a good person. I'm a good person. Look at my mask.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:30

       Yeah.

   24. BRBrian Redban1:31

       I talked to somebody on the phone that was use- that had a mask on. I was like, "Where are you?" And they're like, "In my hotel room." I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing calling me with a mask on? Are you by yourself?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Was it Ian Edwards? Were you talking to Ian Edwards?

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:42

       (laughs)

   27. BRBrian Redban1:43

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Ian double masks backstage with us.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:45

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       We're hanging out backstage. He's double masked. I'm like, "Hey, bro, we've all been tested, like you. You know, we're all good."
2. 2:39 – 4:52

   Breathing trainers to autoerotic asphyxiation: dark humor detour

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      That can't be good for you. Right? That's like, do you rem- remember those things that people were wearing before? They were wearing, like, the altitude... It was, like, an altitude mask. What the fuck was it called?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe2:50

      It was, like, an oxygen trainer.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:51

      Right.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe2:52

      Simulate high altitude.

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:53

      What was it called?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe2:55

      They all... There's multiple of them. I don't know if there's just one, but yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:58

      There's... People have gone over, like, whether or not it actually mimics, uh, altitude training, and it doesn't.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe3:04

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:04

      But one thing that actually does work is those breath trainers. There's, like, a thing, it's like lifting weights with your lungs. Have you ever tried those? Do you know what it is?

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe3:13

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       You blow into them, and there's one of them that actually works. I have it, I haven't set up the app yet. It works on an app. And so, like, the app could read exactly, like, how much pressure you're blowing through that. So, you're actually, like, physically working out your lungs, like a muscle.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe3:30

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Just blowing into this thing. (blowing sound)

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe3:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:35

       And breathing through it and breathing out of it. It's like, it forces your lungs to work harder.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe3:41

       Yeah, I like cigarettes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       (laughs)

   18. BRBrian Redban3:42

       I just use a belt, different notches.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:45

       I don't... When was the last time someone died jerking off like that?

   20. BRBrian Redban3:49

       Uh.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       It's been a while.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe3:50

       I think it happens-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       There was a slew of famous people for a while.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe3:52

       Yeah, I think it happens more than we think 'cause, like, imagine if you found someone like that, you wouldn't, like, want to put that out there. You'd be like, "Okay, we'll keep that a secret. We'll just say that they committed suicide." Right?

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       Or you really don't like someone, and so that's how you kill them.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe4:08

       Oh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       That's the rumor that I heard about David Carradine.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe4:12

       Wow.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Yeah. He's the guy from Kung Fu.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe4:15

       Yeah.
3. 4:52 – 8:11

   Jiu-jitsu tap-outs and Tony’s wrestling concussion story

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      I would guesstimate that zero guys who do jujitsu have done that, 'cause you, you don't want to get choked ever. So, the idea of, like, being choked is like, you immediately are not... You'll probably lose your hard on, first of all.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe5:04

      Right, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:05

      Because you're like, "Someone's choking me." Like, you have to be (laughs) someone who's probably never been choked by a person before. 'Cause if you're... If you did jujitsu, like, you felt that belt on your neck. You'd, you'd immediate... You would try to tuck your chin. You'd try to get out of that. You wouldn't be like, "Yes."

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe5:22

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      (laughs) Like, there's, there's something about...

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe5:25

      Imagine if someone got into that and then they're good at jujitsu, though, and they're at, like, the championship. They start getting choked and they get hard as a rock all of a sudden in front of the audience.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      Wow. Right. It bursts right out of their cup.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe5:36

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:37

      Or pushes the cup out, so it looks preposterous.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe5:40

       What if he tapped out with his hard penis? Okay. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       No. You have to... There's rules. You can use your feet to tap out sometimes.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe5:48

       Oh, wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       It's not like you have an... Like, if you're trapped in a situation where you can't, literally can't move your arms, and that can happen. Um, like, sometimes guys will catch a mounted guillotine. And in the mounted guillotine, if they're really good, like a Brian Ortega type good, they can get their arms or their legs, rather, around your arms and pin them to your side like this while they're getting you in the guillotine. So, you lit- literally can't even defend. If they catch it perfect. And then you see guys flopping and, like, tapping with their feet.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe6:19

       Mm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       There's a couple positions like that, where you literally can't move your arms, and guys will tap with their feet and yell out, "Tap." They just try to yell out tap.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe6:30

       I once got knocked out in a, uh, high school wrestling match. For... Got... Guy got double chicken wings, you know what I'm talking about?

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       Mm-hmm. Sure.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe6:38

       And then he walked over, walked around the head, and then I bridged up when he, when he was, like, north south, and he got me in a head scissors-

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:47

       Oh, wow.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe6:48

       ... and locked the legs at figure four position, 'cause that's the only, like, leg lock you're allowed to have in Ohio high school wrestling, at least back then.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       So you can... Wait a minute. You can lock legs around a guy's head?

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe6:57

       Yep. Yep. As long as it locks behind your knee. You can't have it, like, around your calf or your ankle. You have to move it all the way up to f-

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Yeah, but if you do that, then it becomes a triangle.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe7:10

       Essentially, it is. Um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       So do they just not know?

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe7:13

       They're not using it for the choke effect. They're using it to get your shoulders against the mat, though-

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:17

       Right.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe7:17

       ... to eliminate your possibility of bridging on your neck.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       Right. But wouldn't the best way to get a guy to put his shoulders on the mat to put him to sleep?

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe7:25

       Yeah. That works too.
4. 8:11 – 11:43

   Weight cutting in MMA: dehydration, brain rehydration, and KO vulnerability

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe8:11

      High school wrestling is the worst system. You just weigh in a few hour, couple hours before the match, and then you scarf down a bunch of food 'cause you haven't eaten for days.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:20

      Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. And, uh, it doesn't totally make sense either. It's like, wouldn't it be better if everybody just weighed what they weighed? Like, the most important thing is, like, who's the better wrestler, not who's the best at starving themselves and dieting.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe8:35

      Right. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      It sh- y- you know, it's like, the thing about weight classes that have always driven me crazy in the UFC and, and, and, w- and wrestling as well, but with wes- wrestling, you're not taking into account as much head trauma 'cause the head trauma's more accidental or from throws and stuff like that. But in MMA, you're dehydrating yourself, like, literally to the point of being incapacitated. Like, some of these guys are shuffling 'cause they can't lift their leg up to walk normal, and then they go and fight. Travis Lutter, who fought Anderson Silva for the title, he didn't make weight. Um, and he tried. I was there. He did not quit. He was dying. Like, I've never seen a guy closer to death. When Travis Lutter... When he was about to weigh in for Anderson Silva, he was shuffling. That's where I come, I'm getting the talk about shuffling. His lips were all completely chapped and, like, you know, like, just sucked dry. His whole face was sucked dry. His cheeks were sucked dry. Like, the dude was dying. He was literally pulling all the water out of his body trying to make weight, and he didn't quite make it. And then 24 hours later, he fights a prime-time Anderson Silva-

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe9:44

      Mm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:44

      ... when Anderson was on, at his peak of his powers. And he got... He actually got caught in a triangle himself. He got caught in a triangle and elbowed by Anderson, and he had to tap out.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe9:55

      Yikes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:56

      But, dude, when you lose that much weight, your brain dries out. Like, everything dries out. They say it takes longer... (sighs) I don't know if this is true. But I think it's longer to dehy- like, to rehydrate your brain takes longer than it takes to just rehydrate your whole body. I think, like, your brain, it takes, like, an extra X amount of hours to completely rehydrate your brain, which is super dangerous if you're getting hit in the head.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe10:23

      Yeah. How do you rehydrate your brain?

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       That's a good question. (laughs)

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe10:26

       You just put a shot in it or IV in your head?

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:28

       I think it's, like, uh, the, the, the fluids, they automatically rise... What am I, a doctor?

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe10:34

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       I'm guessing. This is all guesswork.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe10:36

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       The fluids probably rise-

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe10:37

       I always get my advice from doctors in spacesuits. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe10:41

       Especially when they're this high.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       Um, fluids probably rise in proportion to the fluids in your whole body. So if you're fully hydrated, I, I would imagine your head is fully hydrated. But when you're really dehydrated, what they're saying is that it takes more time to rehydrate the brain. I'm not sure if that's true though. But it makes sense 'cause you see guys who have been, uh, really dried out from weight cuts. Sometimes they get knocked out and you, you, you don't even understand why that punch knocked them out when they're usually really durable.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe11:08

       Maybe when you're dehydrated, your, like, hydration level starts at the top of your head and goes down like a glass (laughs) of water.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       Right.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe11:14

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       Like a gas tank. Yeah.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe11:16

       What if that's true though?

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       It would... I mean, it kinda might be 'cause, like, j- just f- think about, like, how dumb you feel when you're dehydrated.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe11:25

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       Could you imagine if you had to take, like, a math test and you were dehydrated? Oh my God. When I'm dehydrated, I'm so... Like, I, I'm, like, working at 40% capacity.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe11:35

       Yeah. And if you, like, took the math test, like, like, hanging upside down, you would actually do better-

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       Mm-hmm.
5. 11:43 – 15:52

   Stress + puzzles: academic biathlons, The Challenge, and Squid Game viewing debates

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      (laughs) They should do some kind of a, a thing like that for s- for classes. You know how they have like... (laughs) You know how they have, like, in the Olympics, they have, like, decathlons and shit and the biathlon? You do a bunch of things. You run, you shoot a gun, you go surfing. You know they have a few of those? They should do that with academics. Like, they, they should have, like, like, a 10K mountain race, and then you have to solve a puzzle, you know? Then you have to, you know, figure-

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe12:12

      Oh, you're saying combine physical and mental stuff.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:15

      ... figure out an equation. Yeah. Yeah.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe12:16

      Oh, nice. That's the main part of that favorite, my favorite show. I mean, it... Me and Andy Letterman were talking about...

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:20

      What's it called?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe12:20

      The Challenge. It's on MTV.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      Oh, they do that?

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe12:22

      The final event where they go for, like, a million dollars, they have to run basically a marathon, and halfway through, they gotta stop and answer puzzles and fucking figure shit out. And half the reason-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:29

      Oh.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe12:30

       ... some people lose is 'cause they can't do puzzles when they're, they're stressed out.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       Right. Oh, that's... Well, there you go.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe12:35

       I mean, that's ju- that's just that event. It's just a, you know, one TV show, but...

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:39

       ... did we talk about that aspect of it?

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe12:40

       No, no, no.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       No?

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe12:41

       Not at all.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:41

       That's, uh, a great idea. They, they nailed it.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe12:45

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       I really think that should be, like, you know how, like, there's certain intelligence tests that we all respect, right? Like the IQ. Wouldn't it be great if you can got a who can keep their shit together under pressure test?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe12:58

       Like Squid Games. (laughs)

   21. I like Squid Games.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       I've done episode two.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe13:02

       Oh, yeah.

   24. I'm on, I'm on episode three.

   25. It's fun. It's great.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       It's very good.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe13:06

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       Once you get over the dubbing.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe13:08

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Some people are, like, hardcore. They don't want you to do the dubbing one. They want you to do the-
6. 15:52 – 22:33

   School boards, CRT outrage, and the brutality of history as context

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:52

      There's some thing that's going on now where they don't want parents to protest at, uh, these school board meetings. Have you s- You've seen this? There's a mo-... What I've seen about it is people complaining, so I don't know the story. But I believe the story is parents are complaining about a bunch of different things at these school board meetings and it's getting very intense. And so, there was talk of them not being able to do it and just how they were labeled. Like, someone... I, I don't know if they were using hyperbole, but they were saying they were being labeled a terrorist if they go and protest the kind of education their kid is getting.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe16:30

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:32

      It's, like, real controversial. One day when you kids shoot a live round into someone and make a person, you'll understand why this is weird to people.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe16:39

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:39

      The increasingly wild world of school board meetings.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe16:43

      (laughs)

   7. Ain't gonna happen.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      And one, and one event riled up conservatives. See, that's a problem. Like, as soon as you label them.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe16:48

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       Just say they're parents. (sighs) Got so... You know, 'cause y- you're automatically classifying them in this way. Y- you know, have you really sat down and talked to them about their politics? Maybe they just don't like a specific thing you guys are teaching.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe17:02

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       Got so out of hand that the board chair battled the proceeding's-

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe17:07

       Halted.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       Halted. Why, why do they use such fucked up font?

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe17:10

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       What weird fonts?

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe17:11

       Font, 'cause we're the New York uh... (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       But look how halted looks like a B. Tell me that doesn't look like a B.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe17:16

       It does.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Uh, while the police cleared the room. So, what does that mean? The police cleared the room 'cause they were yelling and screaming. Stop teaching racism. No critical race theory. Yep, there's, you know... (sighs)

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe17:31

       Oh, geez. Woke parents.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       Well, it's, it's woke, the w- the woke school system. It's, uh, sometimes it's woke parents, sometimes it's woke... But this is complaining about the woke school system that they're indoctrinating these ideas into kids, whether it's critical race theory or... There's a, a bunch of different theories. Like, (sighs) like, today is, uh, Columbus Day. It used to be. Now it's Indigenous Peoples' Day. And people were saying that the reason why it shouldn't be Columbus Day is 'cause Columbus was a monster. He came here and he killed a bunch of people, and it seems like if you pay attention to what... There was a priest, right, that wrote a, a thing about him. A priest who was there who documented his experience with Columbus' people and it was horrific. Like, horrific murders, killing babies and cutting people's arms off if they don't bring him enough gold. Like, wild, crazy shit. Like, they were vicious, evil people. But the fucked up thing is everyone was back then.This is like the dirty little secret of the time. If you go through the Inquisition, if you, if you listen to any of the stories, like, uh, uh, Empire of the Summer Moon where, um, Gwen talks about the, the Comanches that lived right here. Dude, the things they did to their enemies were horrific. That book will freak you out. Empire of the Summer Moon is an incredible book, about here, about Texas. The reason why they couldn't get through Texas was the Comanche. They were so fucking badass, but they were vicious.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe19:03

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       And when they captured people, everyone fought to the death because if you were captured, you were just tortured and killed. So because of that, they like, they would never give up. It wasn't like in England and, you know, in Europe, like, the, the generals would meet the other generals on the battlefield and they would concede. They would give them their sword. Like, there was like, proceed. There's none of that with the Comanches. So they would just torture each other and one of the things they would do is they'd light a giant bonfire and then they would hack a guy's dick off, stuff it in his mouth, and hack his arms off and his legs off, and then throw him on the fire while he's still alive.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe19:36

       Wow. Probably not even the middle of the fire. Probably like the halfway point, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:40

       Yeah, probably.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe19:41

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       Probably. Bro. I mean, the shit that they did to their enemies was ruthless. This is not denying that Columbus was a cunt and that, you know, for sure if that priest and his journal are accurate, it's fucking horrific shit. Uh, Bartolomé de las Casas, uh, he was a 16th century Spanish landover, landowner, a friar, a priest and a bishop and he's the guy who went with Columbus and wrote a journal about how horrific, uh, it was to be there and watch what his men did to the indigenous people. So when you hear that, you go, "Why the fuck do we have a Columbus Day?" Like, that guy was a serial killer. He's a- a- a- a sociopath, but then you find out, oh my God, everybody was.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe20:31

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       Not everybody. Not everybody, but it was like fucking way more common to be a- a ruthless murderer. The law was a little sketchy. Getting caught with things was a little more iffy. People were just a little wilder, you know? Just a different world. And if you go back before people were writing books, like holy shit, dude. It's not that long, it took... There's like this jump in information when p- you could find out what a bunch of other people had figured out, not just the people near you, but a bunch of other people had figured out and you could read their shit. As soon as that happened, then people started like less and less over time being so- so barbaric, but it took a long ass time. But you go before the books, (laughs) before the books, can you imagine what it would be like if you grew up just f- in America? Let's pretend the power's out for like a few- few decades and you're in like the mountains of Arkansas. You- you're running across some real old school no electricity having hillbillies.
7. 22:33 – 26:08

   Tribalism in COVID politics and the Southwest airline walkout

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:33

      And then we're seeing it with this COVID shit too, like people branch off into groups whether it makes sense or not. They branch off into mask or no mask, vaccinated or n- unvaccinated, natural immunity or get the damn shot. You know, there- there's so much of this going on, man. It's wild to watch. It's wild to watch people that don't handle anxiety and fear well getting thrust into an undeniable worldwide anxiety and fear conference group and they're all just like yelling at each other.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe23:05

      And the people that are scared think that the people that aren't scared are bad people because they're not like them.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:10

      Exactly. Even if you've had the disease and recovered, they- they're mad at you. They're like, "Okay." Like, I didn't make this.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe23:19

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:19

      Okay. Somebody made this and you're not even mad at that guy.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe23:22

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:23

      It doesn't make any sense.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe23:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:24

      This is what's the g- 'cause that guy's on the good team. He's on the side of max and vax and if you can, if you could say that mask and vax and you- you're a part of that group, like you get, you get protected because you're in the opposition of those crazy Trumpers, they're all gonna catch COVID. This walk off is nuts, man. The Southwest pilots, they try to lie and say, "It's bad weather. We got bad weather." They had to cancel like a thousand flights.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe23:51

       Yeah. Crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       The pilots are like, "We're not getting vaccinated."

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe23:53

       Yeah. Our drummer's stuck in, uh, wherever he is. Chicago, yeah, right now. I heard they were also saying something about the towers, the, uh, flight towers were down.

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Yeah, air traffic controllers.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe24:03

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:03

       You know, and then there's other people that are calling those people terrorists for doing this, which is like, what?

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe24:09

       I read a thing-

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       You're missing the fucking point. The like, you can, we, there's not, there's other ways to do this at this point. We're pretty far into this game, okay? We can test people. You can test people. You can test them all the time. It doesn't cost that much money. Tests are like 20 bucks. You know? I mean, if it's worth it for someone to- to decide that you- you can spend an extra 20 bucks a day-... and you could do whatever you want and we know that everybody's safe, and maybe we should even test the people that are vaccinated since there have been so many cases of vaccinated people getting it. They should be testing people. They should make better tests, and then have good treatments. But you can't, you can't tell someone that their job depends on taking a chance with this n- new medication that they might not need because they h- have already gotten COVID and recovered, and that's the case with a bunch of them. They don't want to do it. They don't wanna j- th- they don't want this blanket... It doesn't make sense, right? It's one thing if, like, it was debatable whether or not the natural immunity works, it probably doesn't work, you probably can catch it over and over again, but if you get the vaccine, uh, that won't be the case. But it's not tha- it's kinda the other way, right? They're saying it's really long-lasting and they're still saying, "No, you have to get vaccinated anyway."

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe25:24

       And-

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:24

       But that doesn't make any sense 'cause you can do a test, like, they can give you an antibodies test. You did one today, you did one today.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe25:31

       Had thick-

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:31

       You did o-

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe25:32

       Had thick-

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       Thick... He's got them vax antibodies.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe25:34

       Thick, yeah.

   25. Thick.

   26. Urgent.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       Recently vax, legit antibodies.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe25:37

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       But like, you, they can do that to people. You don't have to tell someone their job depends on you listening to me and taking something you're not comfortable with.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe25:45

       Do they make people get a chicken pox vaccine if they've already had the chicken pox?
8. 26:08 – 36:56

   Vaccine side effects, injection technique ‘aspiration,’ and Biden’s staged backdrop

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe26:08

      My maid got, uh, the vaccine and sh- three months later, she's still hurt i- in constant pain. All her nerves are just fucked up and she could barely move some days, and it s- started with the vaccine, the second shot.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:20

      Is it on the same spot where the vaccine hit?

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe26:22

      Yeah. Or no, it's like, her whole body, like, her whole back and her whole head, it's, she's like, "I don't know what to do," and she's been going to all these doctors-

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:29

      (sighs)

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe26:29

      ... and they don't know how to fix it, and...

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:32

      It's super, super rare, and you have to be clear about this because the thing is, um, if you are treating 300 million people, right? With anything, you're gonna get a lot of bad reactions, no matter what it is. Like, no matter what the medicine is. It's just a thing about measuring its scale. That's not the que- but the question is, should we be forcing people to do it? That's where it is. It's not that it's so horrendously dangerous, it's only sometimes dangerous, and I don't think they totally know why and to who. I think there's a lot of questions. Also, they, like, they don't always administer it right. Do you know that? Like, here's the thing. On fucking TV th- they don't administer right. You're supposed to aspirate apparently, and I'm just finding o- about this r- recently because of the Biden thing, when Biden was getting a shot on TV. I said, "Ah, it's probably fake."

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe27:28

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:28

      Why'd I say it's fake? Well, first of all, I'm a fucking comedian, okay? And, uh, he's 80 and he is on a fake movie set.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe27:36

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       Maybe that. Maybe the fact that it's actually not really the White House, but a fake White House set. Like, could you see it? With all the people aroun-... It's a stage.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe27:45

       It's in the White House, though.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:47

       It's across the street.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe27:47

       Oh, is it?

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:48

       Yeah.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe27:48

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:48

       It's some, apparently it's in some place that works better.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe27:51

       Yeah. They do that for a lot of news conferences and shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:53

       But, dude, they're not even trying-

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe27:55

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:55

       ... to make it look... Have you seen the photos of what it looks like?

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe27:56

       Yeah, I don't think they were hiding it, though. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:58

       No, it's not-

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe27:59

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:59

       ... that they were hiding it, but they didn't show it on TV.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe28:02

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:02

       When they showed it on TV... I mean, look, they let all the reporters there, so the reporters are gonna take pictures and that's how we know about it.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe28:07

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:07

       What we saw on television, though, was Biden at the White House.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe28:10

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       But that-
9. 36:56 – 42:48

   Ivermectin vs new antivirals, FDA distrust, and the revolving-door problem

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe36:56

      ... stuff was huge when I- a year ago, when I had, uh- when I had the 'rona. I mean, it came through clutch for me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan37:03

      Yeah, I think-

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe37:03

      It's really one of the only things that I even used for it, period. I like raw dogged it. I didn't have the kitchen sink.

   4. JRJoe Rogan37:08

      Yeah, well you were- you got sick at a time where nobody really had any treatments.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe37:12

      Right.

   6. JRJoe Rogan37:12

      There wasn't a vaccine yet, and they had- I don't even know if they had figured out like whether or not ivermectin works, 'cause a lot of people still say, "Ivermectin doesn't work," but I don't know if they were even treating people with it then, when you were.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe37:25

      You know, they announced today Merck's trying to get their antiviral drug, uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:29

      Yeah, they're trying to get a drug that w- they say that what they say about ivermectin, it mimics that.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe37:35

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:36

       It does the same thing ivermectin does. I don't know if that's true, though. Obviously. I'd have to talk to somebody who really understands the science behind, uh, what's better, the Merck one or the ivermectin one. I don't know who's telling the truth. But, you know, the- the people- the promoters of the- of this, uh, ivermectin stuff, the- like, the Dr. Pierre Korys of the world, they've actually treated people. That's what's crazy to me. It's like I- it's- it's not clear who's telling the truth and who's lying. This is part of the problem with it. Like, there are definitely some shenanigans that are going on. But are the shenan- shenanigans going on because people are overzealous and want everyone to think that ivermectin is like super effective? Or, are all these shenanigans going on because there's a dr- there's another drug and they're trying to disparage any other different kinds of treatments-

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe38:28

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:28

       ... and that they're about to launch something? You know, or, you know, who's telling the truth? Is it- are the ivermectin people exaggerating? Maybe a little. Are the other people demonizing ivermectin because they have a competitive drug that's coming out? I think maybe, possibly, too. Like there's- it's not- it's like most human things. It's not real clear. There's- there's definitely some shenanigans all over the place.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe38:51

       Are you talking about the FDA?

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:53

       I'm talking about just people accepting whether or not certain drugs work based on the profit margin they get out of them. The thing that freaks me out about things like ivermectin is that it's- it's generic. So it's anyone can make it. Like it's so (laughs) convenient that a drug that anyone can make, that they're handing out all over the world, in America, they're like, "Don't take that. Hold on. We've got our own. We've got our own version of it." But I don't know who's right. Maybe they're right. I don't- uh- I don't think Dr. Pierre Kory or those frontline critical care people are lying.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe39:31

       Uh- I thought they- like- it was- like, the FDA just pretty much said they don't see a connection with it working.

   16. JRJoe Rogan39:38

       There's- yeah. There's all sorts of problems with that, though. There's problems with the FDA, and- You know, one- one of the things that happens, it's kind of- it's kind of crazy that it's real, but people work for the FDA and then they leave and then they work for Pfizer.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe39:50

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:51

       (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe39:51

       That is weird. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:52

       Dude, could you imagine? Could you imagine? Just fucking imagine you're a guy who's working for the FDA, and you know (claps hands) if you play your cards right, you could be a motherfucking CEO at Pfizer. Dude, you could be one of the bigwigs. Dude, you could have a yacht. Dude, what about your own plane? Maybe get your own plane, Chester, if you go over to Pfizer. Like, that is real. You can be a part of the government's regulatory authority on drugs (laughs) , and then you can leave and go work for a drug company. And it's not like there's any motivation to do things for these guys. They're like, "Chester, listen. We've got a wonderful organization. We do a lot of good for people. So if a few people die here and there, you know, trying to make some money, beholden to our stakeholders." And these guys, they leave, and they go from one organization to the other, it's crazy, and make insane amounts of profit. So- are- he- That's not a perfect system. That's not a perfect system.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe40:51

       Uh-uh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:51

       There are two different kinds of people. The kind of people that are- that want to make a lot of money off of drugs should be very different kinds of people than the kind of people that want to regulate drugs and make sure that everybody's safe. They should be very different kinds of people. It's very different jobs. It's like the difference between a comedian and an executive at Comedy Central. Very different jobs.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe41:10

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan41:10

       Very different kinds of people, right? If you're a comic, then all of a sudden you're an executive at Comedy Central, I'm- I'm gonna go, "Hey, what are you doing over here?"

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe41:18

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan41:18

       Right? That's the diff- That's how I feel about someone who works for the FDA and then goes over and works for Pfizer. Like, "Hey, what are you doing?"

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe41:26

       Mm-hmm. Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed to do that, but I see why they do. I mean, what else are they gonna do? They're- they know so much about the- the business already. They're not gonna like switch and be like going to tech or something, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan41:36

       Right. The problem is-

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe41:37

       They shouldn't be allowed to.

   30. JRJoe Rogan41:38

       ... how much influence-
10. 42:48 – 51:17

    Cigars, dip, vaping, and the ‘coolness’ of cigarettes

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       The vapes are... Anybody want a cigar?

    2. NANarrator42:51

       Sure.

    3. THTony Hinchcliffe42:51

       Sure.

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:52

       Oh. (laughs)

    5. THTony Hinchcliffe42:53

       Hey. Yeah.

    6. It's cigar time, everybody. Do, do, do, do, do. I don't think we've... All the things we've done together, I don't think we've ever smoked a cigar together.

    7. Oh, yeah. That's true.

    8. We've traveled the world.

    9. Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:07

        These are JRE cigars.

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe43:09

        Oh.

    12. Oh, are you gonna sell these?

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:10

        No.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe43:11

        Why not? There's so many cigar people-

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:12

        Well, Foundation Car, uh, Cigars made them for me. Here, I'll cut them for you guys.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe43:16

        They should make a... They should sell these, though. I think a lot of... L- I saw a lot of people talking about them, wishing... They wanted to try them.

    17. JRJoe Rogan43:22

        Well, I'll have to talk to Foundation Cigars. They're the ones who put these together. But they're a really good cigar. Like, um, I'm no, by no means, a c- a cigar expert. I just know what I like. You know? It's like the same way I am about wine. I literally don't know jack-shit about wine, other than what I've learned from guys like Maynard or my friend Matt, who tried to explain it to me. You know, like, the people who are really into wine.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe43:49

        What do you look for in a good cigar? Like, I don't even... Like, it's not dry or super dry, I guess-

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        No.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe43:54

        ... or flaky.

    21. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        These have been in a humidor.

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe43:56

        Okay.

    23. JRJoe Rogan43:56

        So, uh, they gave us this humidor and you put, um, distilled water in it and you keep it at about... I think it's about 65, like the humidity, 65%.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe44:10

        Yeah, I never got into cigars, because I... Uh, like, as a smoker, you just want to inhale these, so it's kind of like a dick tease.

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:16

        Yeah. There's another one of those, oh, it's over here. Hey, Brian. Um, yeah, the head rush of the cigarette is second to none. This is like a slow trickle of taste.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe44:33

        Sort of. Cigars can really bang you up, man. They can, uh-

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:37

        Oh, they can get you. Yeah, they definitely get you high.

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe44:38

        Even as a heavy cigarette smoker that's used to a lot of nicotine, like they can really-

    29. Yeah.

    30. ... hit hard.
11. 51:17 – 54:31

    Comedy artifacts and early-money purchases: the ‘dick statue’ and spiritual collectibles

    1. THTony Hinchcliffe51:17

       I got your, I got your dick thing you gave me with bunch of guys with dicks and stuff.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       Oh, the dick thing.

    3. THTony Hinchcliffe51:21

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       Yeah. I, I bought the sculpture-

    5. BRBrian Redban51:23

       (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:23

       ... at a store. Uh, it's, uh, like, ebony wood and it's all these characters with giant dicks.

    7. BRBrian Redban51:31

       (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:31

       Like all these ... It's the weirdest thing ever.

    9. BRBrian Redban51:33

       It's so cool.

    10. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        I saw it, I was like, "Who made this? Why would you make this?" So it was these, these guys and all their dicks and I ... It was one of the things that, when I got married, I had to get rid of.

    11. BRBrian Redban51:40

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan51:41

        Ah.

    13. BRBrian Redban51:41

        I love it. (laughs) I love it. I have it right in my guest bathroom, so when you're sitting on the shitter, you're like ... 'Cause you don't really notice the dicks at first. You're like, "What is this weird-"

    14. JRJoe Rogan51:49

        Right.

    15. BRBrian Redban51:49

        "... statue thing." And then you're like, "Holy shit, there's dicks everywhere."

    16. JRJoe Rogan51:52

        Yeah.

    17. THTony Hinchcliffe51:52

        (laughs)

    18. BRBrian Redban51:52

        Wow.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        It's pretty cool. Yeah, I got a lot of stuff back then when I first started making money, like those, uh, sculptures that you see out there.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe52:00

        Mm-hmm.

    21. BRBrian Redban52:01

        Mm-hmm.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:01

        Those big dog things. What are those things called?

    23. BRBrian Redban52:04

        Uh, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan52:04

        Something dogs.

    25. BRBrian Redban52:05

        Uh, gargoyles.

    26. JRJoe Rogan52:07

        They look like gargoyles.

    27. BRBrian Redban52:09

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:09

        But there's like a name, like a type of dog. It's like a ...

    29. BRBrian Redban52:13

        Dozer the Carpathian? What's ... From, uh, Ghostbusters.

    30. THTony Hinchcliffe52:17

        Yeah, Ghostbusters. (laughs) I was thinking that too.
12. 54:31 – 1:00:18

    Accents, childhood games, and discovering sepak takraw (foot-volleyball)

    1. BRBrian Redban54:31

       Yeah.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:31

       You, you hear people talking in, like, foreign languages that you don't understand if you watch the news or something like that or watching a YouTube video. It's crazy 'cause people understand it and you have no idea what the fuck they're saying.

    3. BRBrian Redban54:41

       Yeah, we were just in Boston, same thing.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe54:43

       Ah.

    5. BRBrian Redban54:44

       It is, and you go 40 minutes down the street here, there's a whole nother dialect and all.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:49

       Yeah.

    7. BRBrian Redban54:50

       It's crazy.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:52

       Well, that's a, that's a sound, right? Like, who was the first Boston guy to fucking talk like that?

    9. THTony Hinchcliffe54:57

       Bill Burr.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:57

        Pack your cat.

    11. THTony Hinchcliffe54:58

        (laughs)

    12. BRBrian Redban54:58

        Bill Burr.

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        No, before him, there was these guys that have been around in Boston forever, the comics that have been around in Boston forever, they all had that accent. They all had strong accents. Like, no one had a neutral accent-... they all talk like they were from fucking Southie.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe55:14

        Did you ever have, like, a mild version of it?

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:16

        Yeah, I definitely did.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe55:17

        (laughs) Ew.

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:18

        I saw myself on TV and I sounded like a moron.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe55:20

        Oh, that's right. I have seen this. Really?

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:22

        Yeah. Yeah, when I was 19.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe55:23

        Wow.

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:23

        I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm so dumb. I'm such a sheep for taking on their accent."

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe55:28

        What were you... What were you on... What were you doing when you were 19?

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:30

        I won the Bay State Games, which was a... It was an Olympic festival that they had in, uh, Massachusetts.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe55:37

        Oh.

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:37

        And, uh, I won, uh, in my division for taekwondo.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe55:40

        Wow.

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:41

        Yeah.

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe55:41

        And you gave, like, an acceptance speech like, (imitating New York accent) "I want to thank everybody here." (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:45

        Yeah. They... Well, they interviewed me because I- I had a very fast knockout. I knocked this guy out and it was pretty brutal.

    30. THTony Hinchcliffe55:50

        Wow.
13. 1:00:18 – 1:08:24

    Kill Tony as Austin’s comedy hub: hosting skill, roasts, and building new comics

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       They're gonna get, um, a picture of each other's dick tattooed on the back of their arm.

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:23

       I love it.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       Bert's going to get Tom's dick. Tom's going to get Bert's dick. They took pictures of their dicks and they're going to get them tattooed on each other.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:31

       Yeah, Bert's dick got covered up on tonight's episode of Kill Tony. Yeah, they put the old Bucky logo-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Yeah.

    6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:36

       ... on top of it. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       I'm glad. I thought about that. I was like, "This could be an issue."

    8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:40

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Yeah, we showed up at that, uh, Kill Tony blasted.

    10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:44

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

        We- we came in, five drinks in.

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:47

        That's one funny thing. Every time you come on Kill Tony, you're blasted. Like... (laughs) Yeah. (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

        (laughs)

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:52

        It's a fun thing that can happen here. It's- It's like wild. If you're feeling good on a Monday, you know that there's always, like, an open door.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

        Yeah.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:59

        It was that way at the Comedy Store. There was a whole bunch of people that would just, like, walk through. Ron White would show up-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

        Yeah.

    18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:04

        ... anytime he wanted, and Bobby Lee could walk through anytime. You know what I mean? Like-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

        Yeah.

    20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:09

        Very open. For as crazy of a show as it is and as packed as it... As it is, and how much, uh, purpose there is sometimes and how serious of a show it can be, it's also like a wide open party.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        Well, it's, wh- I never feel like I should be sober. Like-

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:25

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

        ... why would I be sober? I'm not really performing.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:27

        Right.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

        Just watching.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:28

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

        You know? Just let's show up blasted. (laughs)

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:31

        Yeah. You can pull it off.

    29. (laughs) Yeah, it's hard for Tony to do it because Tony really, like watching, like early episodes and watching how Tony has evolved, like he's become this host now.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

        Yeah.
14. 1:08:24 – 1:23:39

    Opiates, morphine bliss, cadaver grafts, and the ethics of body exhibits

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:08:24

       I, uh, I met Chris Farley one day.

    2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:27

       Really?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:08:28

       Yeah. He was white like, like wet cardboard, like gray, rather, like wet cardboard. Like, uh, like he looked terrible.

    4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:08:36

       Wow.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:08:36

       We were, uh, backstage at NewsRadio, and he came, and he was hanging out with, uh, one of the cast members, I think. And I think he knew Paul Sims too. And then, um, I just see him. And he just look, and I... This is before he died, ob- obviously, but he was going hard. I mean, hard. He looked gray. I'll never forget that. I, I remember, like, seeing him just, like, really sweaty, really heavy, and like, his skin looked gray, like ash.

    6. NANarrator1:09:09

       Hm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

       I was like, "Whoa."

    8. NANarrator1:09:12

       L- yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:09:12

       Like sweaty gray.

    10. NANarrator1:09:14

        Hm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:09:16

        Like, the poor guy. He's probably in the grips of it right there. You know, like, when you think about people that get addicted to heroin, like really get addicted, those people, they, they seem like they're, they've been c- like a demon caught them in a trap, you know. "You got to get that needle in your arm, son. Got to get that needle in your arm and escape again." Whatever they doing, when they're smoking it or shooting it, it's like, that, that drug, in particular, is associated with so many people just getting lost in it. Just like it hypnotizes you and draws you in.

    12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:49

        Some of the best musicians, some of the best writers.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:09:51

        Oh, my God.

    14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:51

        Some of the... (laughs) Have you ever thought about doing it once?

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:09:54

        Think about it. Sure.

    16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:09:54

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:09:55

        Yeah, sure. You know, when I told you I d- when I got my knee operation, they gave me a morphine drip, and it's supposed to be a similar feeling. It was wonderful. It was wonderful. I kept hitting that button. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

    18. NANarrator1:10:05

        Hm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:10:06

        I was like, "Oh, I get it. Ah." It was, I mean, I was in agony. And I'm on this stupid machine that keeps bending my knee and straightening my knee-

    20. NANarrator1:10:14

        Oh.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:10:15

        ... and bending my knee and straightening my knee. It's like a perpetual motion machine they put you o- put you on right after surgery to keep your, your knee, like, circulating.

    22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:24

        Wow.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:10:25

        While I'm banging this thing. Bang, bang, bang. Just hitting that button. Every time you hit that button, you get a squirt of morphine.

    24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:32

        Did it, like, uh, do you remember anything from it, like what it was like, what you were thinking about or whatever?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:10:37

        Like, I was just sinking into the bed. Like, the bed was just filled with love. It was just love clouds, like you're just sinking in it.

    26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:45

        Wow. That sounds awesome.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:10:46

        Yeah, yeah. Just like your whole body was just getting kissed by God. (kissing sounds)

    28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:51

        Damn.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:10:52

        (laughs)

    30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10:53

        We should do a podcast on morphine sometime.

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