Joe Rogan Experience #1725 - Bridget Phetasy

Joe Rogan 0:01 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Bridget Phetasy 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

Bridget Phetasy 0:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:12 Are we rolling? (clears throat) What's good, catch up?

Bridget Phetasy 0:14 I said, we're just gonna catch up.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 0:16 It's been a year.

Joe Rogan 0:16 It's been a year, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 0:18 And you've been trending on Twitter for that entire year.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Oh. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 0:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:22 It's not my fault, those fucking dorks. Get out of the house, losers.

Bridget Phetasy 0:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:26 Go pay attention to real life shit-

Bridget Phetasy 0:28 (laughs) Every time I go on-

Joe Rogan 0:29 ... while Fauci's out there torturing puppies.

Bridget Phetasy 0:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:31 You see that shit?

Bridget Phetasy 0:32 I, yeah, I saw. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 0:34 Did you watch, did you read that article?

Bridget Phetasy 0:34 I didn't read the article. I shut off... I can't look at puppy torture.

Joe Rogan 0:37 What are they learning from torturing... Po- pull up the article, Jamie-

Bridget Phetasy 0:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:40 ... 'cause people need to know this because I put it up on Twitter, but this is sick shit. Glen, Glen Greenwald, uh, texted me about this and he was kind of explaining that it doesn't help anything. There, there's no bene- there's no benefit to this.

Bridget Phetasy 0:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:56 He's like, "This is not something that's saving lives." Like, if, if you could prove that this was saving lives, he goes, "Maybe you could make some sort of ethical argument for doing this," but it doesn't save lives. It's just not.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09 And it... It's twisted, and I don't understand it.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12 I just saw a shady side.

Joe Rogan 1:12 "Bipartisan legislators demand answers from Fauci on cruel puppy experiments. Our investigators show that Fauci's NIH division shipped part of its... Part of a $375,800 grant to a lab in Tunisia to drug beagles and lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the-"

Bridget Phetasy 1:34 What?

Joe Rogan 1:34 "... insects could eat them alive."

Bridget Phetasy 1:37 I feel like in a normal society, this guy would just be completely retreated from the public by now.

Joe Rogan 1:43 How is this possible? How is it possible, first of all, that now it's been proven, the NIH has now come out and said-

Bridget Phetasy 1:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:49 ... he lied.

Bridget Phetasy 1:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:51 He lied in front of Congress about gain-of-function research. They funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab that worked on coronaviruses in the very fucking area where a coronavirus-

Bridget Phetasy 2:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:04 ... got out and killed four million people, with cleavage sites that were inserted into it that seemed to indicate that it's been manipulated. Like all these indications when the-

Bridget Phetasy 2:12 Yeah, that were, by the way, all conspiracies. These were all just conspiracies if you even suggested any of this.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:18 That it came from a lab, that it was funded.

Joe Rogan 2:20 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:21 All of it is now true, and no one says sorry.

Joe Rogan 2:24 It's how I got trended on Twitter.

Bridget Phetasy 2:25 (laughs) For-

Joe Rogan 2:26 It's one of the, one of the ways I get trended on Twitter-

Bridget Phetasy 2:28 ... one of the reasons. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:28 ... from when Bret Weinstein was on-

Bridget Phetasy 2:30 Oh, right, right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:30 ... and Bret was saying this, that it, it seems to indicate... This was in April of 2020, Bret was saying, "It seems to indicate that this is a, a virus that's been manipulated." And everyone was like, "That is a dangerous conspiracy theory."

Bridget Phetasy 2:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 "And it's racist."

Bridget Phetasy 2:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:47 "Racist, racist conspiracy theory." Meanwhile, it's actually accurate and it's, it's our own government was involved-

Bridget Phetasy 2:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 ... which is the most fucked up thing because as things have been uncovered, as Josh Rogan uncovered it... Josh Rogan played a, a very big part in this 'cause Josh Rogan recognized that... He was one of the first people, and he, and he actually broke it on this podcast, that Fauci was the one who restarted the gain-of-function research, that O- Obama-

Bridget Phetasy 3:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:13 ... had rightly and smartly had said, "Hey, stop doing that shit."

Bridget Phetasy 3:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:17 "The fuck are you doing?" And so then Trump came along to Fauci like, "This is important research we need to do. We need to try to kill the world."

Bridget Phetasy 3:25 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Fuck.

Bridget Phetasy 3:27 It's-

Joe Rogan 3:27 This is so crazy that this is not... Like, if you go to all these mainstream news places, they're not saying this.

Bridget Phetasy 3:34 Yeah, they can't.

Joe Rogan 3:34 How are you, how are you not saying this?

Bridget Phetasy 3:36 I, I, they don't understand why they've lost all their credibility, and yet, it, they behave as if the internet doesn't exist. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:44 Right. Well, how is CNN not covering this? Go, go to the Fa- the Fauci story 'cause it is so crazy 'cause when you watch Rand Paul grill him-

Bridget Phetasy 3:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:52 ... and he's like, "With all due respect, Senator-"

Bridget Phetasy 3:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:55 "... you do not know what you are talking about."

Bridget Phetasy 3:58 You do a good impression of him.

Joe Rogan 3:59 I could do a better one if I listened to him. If I listen to him for, like, 10 minutes, I can really get him.

Bridget Phetasy 4:03 I, I remember that Rand Paul recently was like, "Someone owes me an apology." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:08 Just... What are you doing?

Jamie Vernon 4:09 I don't know what you said about the Fauci story.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There was another one, um, uh, in my, um, it, it's in my Twitter that, uh, in a shocking turn of events, the NIH has now admitted... Which is interesting because if they're admitting that they funded gain-of-function research, that means they're turning on that little monster. So if they're turning on him-

Bridget Phetasy 4:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:27 ... that, that means, like, we might actually see some progress here and some, a, a real objective understanding of what's happening. "In major shift, NIH admits funding risky virus research in Wuhan." Now, this is Vanity Fair, okay? Super liberal publication.

Bridget Phetasy 4:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:42 So if they're doing this, that means the tide has turned. "A spokesperson for Dr. Fauci says he has been entirely truthful, but a new letter belatedly acknowledging that the National Institute of Health support for virus-enhancing research adds more heat to the ongoing debate over whether a lab leak could have sparked the pandemic." I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes, it did.

Bridget Phetasy 5:06 (laughs) It seems like-

Joe Rogan 5:09 This fucking-

Bridget Phetasy 5:09 ... that would be the obvious conclusion.

Joe Rogan 5:11 ... this natural spillover shit, like, that you don't have an example. You, there's d- like-

Bridget Phetasy 5:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:15 ... there's no science that points to that. All the science points to a manipulated virus that came out of the very area where they manipulate viruses. Like, when, when Jon Stewart went on that rant on Colbert show-

Bridget Phetasy 5:28 Right, and he got canceled for a minute. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:30 I... He didn't get canceled. It didn't even work, but I was like, "Yes, Jon Stewart!" Jon Stewart is the fucking man.

Bridget Phetasy 5:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:35 He's honest. He's brave. He, he, he's not, uh, you know, he's not that guy that's gonna bullshit just for the party-

Bridget Phetasy 5:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:42 ... and just toe the line. He's not gonna do it. Thank God. Thank God there's guys like him out there.

Bridget Phetasy 5:47 I mean, yeah, I think his, I think he's always been pretty good about that, but-

Joe Rogan 5:51 About everything.

Bridget Phetasy 5:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:52 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 5:53 And his new show, I think, is... I haven't watched it, but I hear that it's pretty serious.

Joe Rogan 5:58 If he's involved, it's good.

Bridget Phetasy 5:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:00 If he's involved, I'm in.

Bridget Phetasy 6:01 I just love what he did for all the guys down at-... ground zero.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Yes, yes, yes.

Bridget Phetasy 6:05 Like that's when I re- I always liked him but I really just respected him a hundred times more when he fought so hard for them.

Joe Rogan 6:13 He's a national hero.

Bridget Phetasy 6:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:14 Jon Jon Stewart really is and you know, when he's not on the air and then you see him again, you appreciate him like, "Goddamn it, I wish he was back." Because when he was hosting The Daily Show, The Daily Show was fucking (smacks lips) muah. It was perfect. I don't even watch it now.

Bridget Phetasy 6:28 No.

Joe Rogan 6:28 I watch it now, like this is nonsense, like this is-

Bridget Phetasy 6:30 A lot of people kind of blame him for the, the state of news today though. You know, he, he did pioneer the form of making jokes out of the news. Making-

Joe Rogan 6:42 Who else is doing that now though?

Bridget Phetasy 6:43 Everybody, even the news. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:45 But they're doing it accidentally.

Bridget Phetasy 6:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:48 They do it and then the joke's on them.

Bridget Phetasy 6:50 They don't realize they're doing it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:50 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 6:51 No, it's, it's crazy times. I feel, I thought... I don't know what I thought. When we last sat down, it was a year ago, you had just moved here and had things started opening up? What, w- I don't even remember.

Joe Rogan 7:03 Here, they were open. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 7:04 Yeah, they were pretty much open.

Joe Rogan 7:06 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 7:06 But not where I was.

Joe Rogan 7:06 But everybody's, everybody thought it was really reckless.

Bridget Phetasy 7:08 It's still closed in L.A. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:09 Yeah, L.A.'s still closed. L well it's, if it's not closed, everyone's terrified.

Bridget Phetasy 7:12 It, it's a, it is a, it's a suicide pact, I'm convinced.

Joe Rogan 7:16 When I was back there a few weeks ago, I was like, "Oh my god." The like, the f- the general feeling in the air, the tone, everyone's scared.

Bridget Phetasy 7:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:23 And crime is off the fucking charts.

Bridget Phetasy 7:26 I mean yeah, my neighborhood just this last weekend, we were opening our door to go film Dumpster Fire and there's always police helicopters around so we're used to it. We often have to like pause because we live, we're in such a high class, like filming environment. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:43 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 7:44 And then, so there's always like some shit going down and we had to, we were alw- we're used to having to pause for like the helicopters and we walk out and this, over the PA it's like, "Get inside your house. (laughs) Close your doors and lock them." We were like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 7:59 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 7:59 And then we hear, "Put your hands, put your hands up where you, we can see them and come out of the building." So it's apparently some guy had started on a, a local business and then guys chase this one guy out and he was trying to attack people with I don't even know what, and then he was jumping from, um, like yard to yard like Ferris Bueller (laughs) only trying to break in and, and attack people.

Joe Rogan 8:24 Oh my God.

Bridget Phetasy 8:24 And so, it was like this whole insane... I was like, "What are we doing here? This is nuts." And that's just my, my friend who's on the show, she was like, "Oh, somebody exposed themself." I'm like, "I don't, it's not like a walk with my dog if somebody doesn't expose themself. That's just normal."

Joe Rogan 8:40 They don't, they don't arrest people in L.A. anymore.

Bridget Phetasy 8:43 No! So, apparently with this guy, we got even f- more details. He had done the same thing a couple weeks ago and attacked somebody, I think with a knife, and Gascon let him out in six hours.

Joe Rogan 8:55 Yeah, that's what they're doing.

Bridget Phetasy 8:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:56 You know about the guy who got macheted on the beach with his family?

Bridget Phetasy 8:59 No.

Joe Rogan 9:00 A homeless guy who's a fucking psychopath who pulled a, a knife on a sheriff. They arrested him, Gascon let him back on the street, and then he macheted some poor guy with his family on the beach. The guy lost his eye-

Bridget Phetasy 9:14 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Cut his face, his hand, his tongue. This guy was swinging a fucking machete at a father in front of his children on the beach.

Bridget Phetasy 9:21 Yeah, it's scary. I mean-

Joe Rogan 9:23 Th- Gascon is a scary guy.

Bridget Phetasy 9:24 Yeah, it's, it, it's-

Joe Rogan 9:25 Like he, he like embodies all of the fears of like the George Soros conspiracy theory.

Bridget Phetasy 9:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:31 That George Soros is trying to destroy the country-

Bridget Phetasy 9:34 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 9:34 ... and do so with like b- putting in more and more liberal people. Like the more, uh, progressive, like a- anti- uh, a- anti law enforcement, completely anti.

Bridget Phetasy 9:44 Completely.

Joe Rogan 9:44 And then when they gets, when he gets them into office, then he funds someone who's even more to the left and runs them against him.

Bridget Phetasy 9:51 Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's the quality of life is drastically gone down. I don't see it improving. You know, it's, it's not like there's any... There doesn't seem to be anything stopping... And even, I, you saw when you left and it's, it's even worse. I mean, we go drive and there are just full tent communities under pretty much every freeway and it's hard because I'm a compassionate person who has empathy and you, you're seeing this every day. You have to s- start to like turn your heart off a little and I'm also just disgusted at how gross the city looks.

Joe Rogan 10:29 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 10:29 It looks like shit.

Joe Rogan 10:30 It looks like shit. I have a, a good friend who's very progressive, very liberal and he lives in Brentwood. He's also wealthy.

Bridget Phetasy 10:37 Oh, Brentwood's nuts.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Brentwood is so far fucked right now with tents-

Bridget Phetasy 10:42 Oh, it's nuts. But-

Joe Rogan 10:42 And he's like, "I can't bel-" He's turning, he's like red pilling. He's like, "I can't believe this." And they see incredible expensive neighborhood with this insane real estate, uh like this, the, like some of the most expensive real estate in L.A., and we've got fucking tents everywhere and he's like-

Bridget Phetasy 10:56 Someone died at that encampment. There was a, like some homeless person ran into another homeless person at that, at that, like right along the veteran place in Brentwood.

Joe Rogan 11:07 You mean headbutted 'em?

Bridget Phetasy 11:08 No, with a car.

Joe Rogan 11:10 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 11:10 Took a car and like ran into someone and killed them recently. What happened a couple-

Joe Rogan 11:13 If you're homeless but you have a car, are you still homeless?

Bridget Phetasy 11:16 (laughs) They're, it's, they're still considered-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Like if you, if you have a van. If you have a van, are you still homeless?

Bridget Phetasy 11:21 I think they are included in that population.

Joe Rogan 11:24 What if you have like a camper van? Are you still homeless?

Bridget Phetasy 11:27 I mean, I feel like there's still maybe. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 11:31 What if you have one of them mobile ones-

Bridget Phetasy 11:32 I wou- I wanna know because-

Joe Rogan 11:33 ... that park everywhere?

Bridget Phetasy 11:34 Well, 'cause they used to have those strict laws about how you couldn't park and then there were al- now there are like fires all the time 'cause people in Venice are like cooking meth in their-

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 11:43 It's crazy. My friend had to leave Venice.

Joe Rogan 11:45 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 11:45 She was like, "I couldn't..." I, she was like, "I didn't realize how just desensitized to the smell of urine and meth I had become." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:52 (laughs) Venice is so bad. I p- I went to Venice the other day. Went to Felix, the restaurant in Venice.

Bridget Phetasy 11:57 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 11:57 My favorite restaurant on earth and, uh, as we were driving there, we passed like literally a hundred of those camper trucks in a row.

Bridget Phetasy 12:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:05 They just, they just, they, that's where they live now. They just pull on the side of road and stop their, their camper truck.

Bridget Phetasy 12:10 Yep. I went with Shellenberger, who you recently had on.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 12:13 We went down to see the big encampment down in Venice and go watch while they were actually, they just happened to be cleaning up some of the beaches and then we went down to Skid Row that day and it was, it was, I, Skid Row is...... eye-opening because it's always been there, but it's huge now.

Joe Rogan 12:33 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 12:33 It's many, many, many, many blocks. And even, they were saying that there are now 47 families. There aren't supposed to be kids on skid row, and the guy was saying they- that as- as of the last count, there were 47 families down there. And that was, like, real cis- you could- that felt like a real- that was interesting because it was all Black people down in skid row, pretty much 99%, and then out on the west side, like, crazy white people. And it felt-

Joe Rogan 13:05 So we have segregated homeless encampments?

Bridget Phetasy 13:07 It's weird. It's weird because it felt really like systemic poverty in skid row. You know, it felt very much like, um, s- the system had failed these people and- and drastically, and no one really fricking cared. And in LA, like out on the west side, it felt like a lot of mental illness clearly, but a lot of it's just kind of, oh God, this is gonna sound horrible, but it felt like LARPing. You know, like, "I'm gonna go be, like, a homeless person on the beach and do drugs." There just is a vibe of-

Joe Rogan 13:43 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 13:44 Yeah, it's weird because there- you can come to LA and they'll give you money and you can just do drugs and never get (laughs) arrested. You can go- California just has very- same in San Francisco. It's not like you're gonna get arrested. If you do, they'll put you back on the street. There's, like, a vibe of, um, I don't know, it felt- it was like a- a lifestyle. You know, it felt more like a- a lifestyle choice. Like, people- because they say, "Why are all these people homeless?" Well, a lot of people, they don't take the offer to get off of the street. They don't want shelter. They don't- they don't wanna give up their drugs.

Joe Rogan 14:21 That's the big one-

Bridget Phetasy 14:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:22 ... is that if you go into a lot of these shelters, they require you to be clean.

Bridget Phetasy 14:26 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 14:27 ... there's a lot of people trying to get clean in those shelters, so it would be very hard if you're surrounded by people who are doing drugs.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Yeah, it's one of the dumbest things about Austin is that, I think they're moving it now, but there's a homeless shelter that's right next to 6th Street-

Bridget Phetasy 14:41 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 14:41 ... where everybody's drunk.

Bridget Phetasy 14:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:43 So, you're literally one block away from the biggest party street in all of Austin-

Bridget Phetasy 14:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:47 ... and you're like, "Hey, time to clean up, everybody. Let's clean up right here where you can hear the fucking music blaring."

Bridget Phetasy 14:52 That's like that rehab that's right on Venice Boulevard, the one, the Phoenix or whatever. It's, like, right on the strip.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Really?

Bridget Phetasy 14:58 I'm like, "Who the fuck's getting sober in this place?"

Joe Rogan 15:01 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 15:01 (laughs) You walk out the door and it's like, "Here, get whatever you want."

Joe Rogan 15:04 Well, that's a good place if you're really- if your intentions are really just to make money, and your intentions are not to- to make people clean. You will have a never-ending supply of people that need rehab if you just go right to them, and they don't have to travel.

Bridget Phetasy 15:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:16 They can just literally shuffle over barefoot and stumble into your rehab.

Bridget Phetasy 15:21 That's such an unregulated industry too, the, you know, the, like, halfway houses or the, what are they called now? Like, the sober livings.

Joe Rogan 15:29 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 15:29 You- I could start a sober living if I wanted. It- there's no regulation on this, and they're super expensive and people get sent to them. Obviously, parents are worried about their kids. They get sent out to LA for these fancy rehabs, and then they all end up homeless on (laughs) -

Joe Rogan 15:45 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 15:45 ... in Venice. You know. No, they- a lot of- there's just so much churn, and it- they all- there's so many people that go out to get sober and clearly don't.

Joe Rogan 15:53 Well, the ones that are in Malibu are the real fancy schmancy ones, right?

Bridget Phetasy 15:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:57 They're the ones where you do yoga and you drink-

Bridget Phetasy 15:58 Yeah, you get, like, massages.

Joe Rogan 16:00 ... wheatgrass juice. (laughs) And they- how often do they work?

Bridget Phetasy 16:02 When-

Joe Rogan 16:02 That's what I wanna know.

Bridget Phetasy 16:03 ... when I got sober, it was- I was 19 the first time I got sober. My- I remember calling the woman, and she wa- sh- I had been in a rehab for a week, and then my insurance ran out, so I put myself on general assistance. This was in Minnesota. And, um, went and called this place, and this woman answered, and sh- I was like, "Hey." And I needed to go to an all-female one because, uh, like, some dude tried to do something with me in the last one, so I wanted all women. Women! And... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:34 (laughs) People can't see it.

Bridget Phetasy 16:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:35 Is- is that- that something you yell on your podcast all the time?

Bridget Phetasy 16:37 Women! I always yell it on Dumpster Fire just 'cause it- because-

Joe Rogan 16:40 What's- what's the context?

Bridget Phetasy 16:41 ... because they're always saying, like, birthing people-

Joe Rogan 16:44 Yeah, right?

Bridget Phetasy 16:44 ... or people with vaginas.

Joe Rogan 16:45 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 16:45 And I'm like, "Women!" And like-

Joe Rogan 16:47 Isn't that crazy?

Bridget Phetasy 16:47 Can we just say the word?

Joe Rogan 16:48 Lactating people.

Bridget Phetasy 16:49 So, it was all women, and I called, and this woman, um, she's like, "You ever heard of boot camp?" And that's what- that's what it was like. It was 40 women, and I had to do dish- we had dish duty. We had- it was very regimented, and they kicked our asses. It was run pretty much all by lesbians. They just kicked our butts. They saw- they had seen. It was mostly women who were avoiding prison, and I was, like, the youngest one there. And they had seen every lying, shady maneuver, and they just saw through all of our shit. And I- those women saved my life.

Joe Rogan 17:22 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 17:23 I never did heroin again. I mean, I- I continued to do a lot of other things, but-

Joe Rogan 17:27 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 17:27 ... never did heroin again. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:28 So, incu- it's- it's incremental steps of- of sobriety?

Bridget Phetasy 17:32 Yeah, it's harm reduction. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:33 Get out- get out of the heroin. But what did you do after you d- stopped doing heroin? What did you do?

Bridget Phetasy 17:37 Oh, man. I mean, I just celebrated eight years of sobriety last Monday, actually.

Joe Rogan 17:42 High five.

Bridget Phetasy 17:42 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 17:42 (clicks tongue)

Bridget Phetasy 17:43 It's a big deal for me.

Joe Rogan 17:44 It's a huge deal.

Bridget Phetasy 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Listen, that's awesome.

Bridget Phetasy 17:46 Yeah, it was, um... Uh...

Joe Rogan 17:50 What year did I meet you?

Bridget Phetasy 17:51 We met... I remember you were working out your Kim Kardashian stuff.

Joe Rogan 17:58 Okay, so that was 2015 probably. Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 18:00 Yeah, around- maybe earlier.

Joe Rogan 18:02 Wait a minute, Kim Kardashian stuff was, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 18:04 I feel like it was earlier.

Joe Rogan 18:05 ... the one about if the aliens came down, we would have to explain Kim Kardashian- that would be the most difficult thing to explain.

Bridget Phetasy 18:09 No, it was the one where you got on the stool.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Oh, that's- no, that's the Bruce Jenner one.

Bridget Phetasy 18:12 Yeah, the Bruce Jenner one.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was 2000... I started writing in, I think, '14, '15.

Bridget Phetasy 18:18 Yeah, that was- that's about right.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Whenever the Vanity Fair cover came out-

Bridget Phetasy 18:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 ... that's when I was like, "Okay."

Bridget Phetasy 18:22 'Cause I had seen you do stuff before, but then I saw that bit, and I was like, "Whoa, your shit's take- gotten to another level sometime in the past couple of years." And then you told me to start a podcast. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:34 Yes, I did. I remember that.

Bridget Phetasy 18:36 And it was early in the podca- you know, there hadn't, like-

Joe Rogan 18:38 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 18:39 Not everyone had a podcast, and I'm glad I- I listened to you.

Joe Rogan 18:42 Well, you're born for it. You really are a born podca- 'cause you always have a well-thought-out but...... a-a controversial opinion.

Bridget Phetasy 18:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:50 You know, like that's podcast-

Bridget Phetasy 18:51 It's not controversial though.

Joe Rogan 18:52 It's not to me, but it is to-

Bridget Phetasy 18:54 It's not to most-

Joe Rogan 18:55 ... the lemmings.

Bridget Phetasy 18:56 ... average like Americans, uh, or average not even Americans, I don't think. I really don't think what you and I talk about is controversial. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:05 It's controversial to people that only watch CNN-

Bridget Phetasy 19:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:07 ... and controversial to people that don't read, and controversial to people that don't question narratives. They don't go, "Hey, why are they trying to vaccinate all the fucking kids-"

Bridget Phetasy 19:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:16 "... when we know that it's not bad for kids? Like, what is going on here?"

Bridget Phetasy 19:19 Yeah, I don't like that one.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Like, "Do you, what is the, what are the long-term safety studies on this? Like, what's the negative side of it? What's the con..." Like, when you say things like that, there's so many people that are like, (gasps) "What is he saying? This is a conspiracy theory in the..." No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not. What you, what you... All these years, we've been skeptical of pharmaceutical companies.

Bridget Phetasy 19:38 That's what's crazy to me.

Joe Rogan 19:39 All these years. All these years.

Bridget Phetasy 19:39 Especially on the left-

Joe Rogan 19:40 Yes. Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:41 ... which is where we come from.

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yes. All these years, yes.

Bridget Phetasy 19:43 I mean, I had to dial it back on my big pharma skepticism because I was such a hippie for so many years, and I ended up being really down that rabbit hole of, like, big pharma.

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:55 And I worked on weed farms and there was a lot of talk about that kind of thing up, up in those environments. And then people were saying, you know, they would point out, like, "Well, they also develop a lot of other things that help people." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:09 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 20:10 And because we have, we... there is competition and it is... there, there is life-saving vaccines and-

Joe Rogan 20:18 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 20:19 ... medicine.

Joe Rogan 20:19 When I say, yeah, when I say vaccinate kids, I mean for COVID-19.

Bridget Phetasy 20:23 No, I know. I know.

Joe Rogan 20:24 Clearly. But I wanna be clear on that-

Bridget Phetasy 20:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:25 ... so that people don't take this outta context.

Bridget Phetasy 20:27 (laughs) They're gonna be like-

Joe Rogan 20:27 I'm not talking...

Bridget Phetasy 20:27 ... "Joe Rogan's an anti-vaxxer."

Joe Rogan 20:29 Yeah. My children are fully vaccinated for-

Bridget Phetasy 20:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:30 ... everything other than COVID, and they've both had COVID, so ...

Bridget Phetasy 20:33 Yeah. I wrote a piece, um, making fun of all of the, like, anti-vaxxers because there was a measles outbreak in LA.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 20:42 So, I wrote a satirical piece about anti-vaxxers, and people call me an anti-vaxxer for being against the mandates and the vax ports and things like that. I'm like, "Not an anti-vaxxer." They're, they basically c- compare you to, like, Jenny McCarthy now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:55 The crazy thing... I know, it's really funny, but the crazy thing about the vaccine thing is that the mandate ev- in the beginning was dismissed by the White House, was dismissed by Jen Psaki, the press secretaries, dismissed by everyone.

Bridget Phetasy 21:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:08 "That is not going to happen. That's not possible. It's, we're not gonna do this." And then (snaps fingers) they start implementing it.

Bridget Phetasy 21:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:14 It just t- it's a slow, slippery slope, and that's why you gotta be very careful of every little piece of ground you give up. And when people think I'm hyperbolic when I'm talking about that this is a slow slide into dictatorship, it really is. What the fuck is happening right now in Australia?

Bridget Phetasy 21:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:30 That is essentially-

Bridget Phetasy 21:31 Anti-vaccines.

Joe Rogan 21:31 ... a police state. How did it happen so quickly?

Bridget Phetasy 21:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 Because this is how it goes. This is how it goes when you have this slow slide into authoritarianism. I am reluctant to give new power to politicians. I think it's fucking dangerous-

Bridget Phetasy 21:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:45 ... because they're s- they're weasels, and they're lazy, and they don't think things through, and they don't think about the greater good of mankind. They think about what's easier for them. What's the easiest way for them to impose their mandates, make their-"

Bridget Phetasy 21:56 And keep their jobs.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Right, right, right. Make the, the special interest groups that they, you know, are really beholden to, make those people happy.

Bridget Phetasy 22:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:03 What's the best way?

Bridget Phetasy 22:05 Yeah, there's, there's a lot there. The Australia thing is interesting because I remember being in Australia when I was on that cult, which we've talked about in past epis- episodes. There, there were...

Joe Rogan 22:16 When you were in the cult? Is that what you're saying?

Bridget Phetasy 22:17 (laughs) When I got, like, s- stuck on the sex cult. We talked about it, I think.

Joe Rogan 22:20 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 22:20 I- I don't wanna bore your listeners.

Joe Rogan 22:21 What episode, which one was that? The last one?

Bridget Phetasy 22:23 I don't remember. It might've been or two ago. Um, w- yeah, so I was there, but we were driving around, and I remember there were, like, all these police cameras that just took pictures if you were speeding. And it was-

Joe Rogan 22:36 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 22:36 There was already a little bit of a, like, police state vibe in parts of Australia that I was like, "Huh, I didn't expect this coming from Australia." And when I was going off about Australia, somebody pushed back, and they said, you know, the, the overwhelming population will get in queues and line up, and they're actually very, uh, uh, a people who will actually listen to rules and follow these orders. And they have had low counts and whatever, but I still think, um, it's terrifying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:10 It's fucking terrifying. It's not, it's not-

Bridget Phetasy 23:12 Like-

Joe Rogan 23:12 ... just terrifying. It, they don't have any recourse.

Bridget Phetasy 23:15 Well, someone said, "Don't forget..." Because I was like, "Aren't you guys all criminals?" And it's like, yeah, but it's also a population of, of people who were, you know, police, essentially.

Joe Rogan 23:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 23:26 And so, there, there's that population down there.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Prison, prison colony, and police.

Bridget Phetasy 23:30 Yeah, it's just-

Joe Rogan 23:31 All interbreeding. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 23:32 Yeah, ju- I- I don't know. It's, uh, it's, uh, everything feels a little bit out of control. And this, so to go back to when you, wh- when we met, I think I was sober already. I think I had, was, like, newly sober.

Joe Rogan 23:46 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 23:46 Just to circle back to that. And to anyone wondering when I actually did get sober, sober-sober, was in, when I was eh, 35, so like eight years ago. And, but it was, like, a long time coming. I wa- from the, I, when I was first in rehab, I was 19, and then from 20 to 35, it was, like, coke, and molly, and-

Joe Rogan 24:09 Whoa.

Bridget Phetasy 24:09 ... weed, and-

Joe Rogan 24:10 Whoa.

Bridget Phetasy 24:10 ... yeah, (laughs) drinking.

Joe Rogan 24:11 Whoa.

Bridget Phetasy 24:12 It was li- eh, I, I l- I lived my life to the fullest. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 24:16 But I should, probably should've died. I mean-

Joe Rogan 24:19 Did it?

Bridget Phetasy 24:19 It, it's a miracle I didn't die.

Joe Rogan 24:20 Did you ever OD?

Bridget Phetasy 24:22 So, right before I got sober, I was doing lots of molly at, um, Coachella, which sounds as disgusting as you just heard it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:31 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 24:31 But wait, it gets grosser. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:34 (Laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 24:35 And, um, the, I was probably dehydrated because I don't think I'd had any water in like two days. (laughs) And I was, like, doing molly during the day and doing blow at night, and drinking through the whole thing. And I was really obsessed with this, like, blueberry Red Bull that they had. I fucking hate Red Bull, but I was just drinking it with, and it was, like, laced with molly or whatever. So, that was like... And then we were in VIP. This is why I'm saying it's gonna get grosser, guys, so bear with me. And we're walking-... and I went down like I just blacked out. I was like... I looked at my friend and I was like, "I am fucking rolling."

Joe Rogan 25:13 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 25:13 And that's the last thing I remember. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:16 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 25:16 And I just went down like a, like just a, a bowling pin, and apparently into some Australian chicks of all things. And I wake up, come to, and there's, like, four cops standing around me and they're like, "What day is it?" And I somehow knew it was Sunday. And, I mean, you've been to festivals, you have no idea what day it is even if you're sober, like-

Joe Rogan 25:37 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 25:37 ... or what time it is.

Joe Rogan 25:38 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 25:39 And I knew what time... It was like my brain got a hard reset.

Joe Rogan 25:42 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 25:42 I really, I really think my brain was like, "We're shutting it down." (laughs) Like-

Joe Rogan 25:47 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 25:47 "... we need to reset this system."

Joe Rogan 25:49 "Let's delete some files."

Bridget Phetasy 25:50 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:51 (laughs) Reboot.

Bridget Phetasy 25:52 Reboot. I came to, I was, like, freezing cold and, and the Australians were like, "You have the worst friends. You have the worst friends."

Joe Rogan 25:59 The worst friends?

Bridget Phetasy 26:00 Because they weren't too... They were like, "Ah, she'll be fine." And one-

Joe Rogan 26:04 Oh, they're tripping.

Bridget Phetasy 26:05 ... one of my friends is one of my best friends from high school, and she and I, she was around during the heroin days and we used to go to raves together and do, like, speed, and so we had been through a lot, and she was like, "Ah, she's taking a disco nap." And they were like, "They called it a disco nap?"

Joe Rogan 26:20 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 26:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:21 A disco nap?

Bridget Phetasy 26:22 Your, your friend called it a disco nap?

Joe Rogan 26:24 Oh my God.

Bridget Phetasy 26:25 You have horrible friends. I was like, "Well..."

Joe Rogan 26:27 That, that is a very funny statement.

Bridget Phetasy 26:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 A disco nap.

Bridget Phetasy 26:30 "Yeah, she's taking a disco nap."

Joe Rogan 26:32 That's a f- good phrase.

Bridget Phetasy 26:33 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 I like that phrase.

Bridget Phetasy 26:35 So I came, I came to, luckily, but it was, like, a bit of a wake-up call. And I wasn't young. I was, like, about to be 35, or maybe I already was 35. Like...

Joe Rogan 26:46 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 26:46 It was a little bit old to be...

Joe Rogan 26:48 Blacking out.

Bridget Phetasy 26:49 Co- going down in VIP.

Joe Rogan 26:51 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 26:51 Like, ugh, just so gross. It was so gross. I mean, pitiful demoralization.

Joe Rogan 26:57 But the fact that your friends said, "She- you're taking a disco nap."

Bridget Phetasy 27:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 Like, they don't... They're like, "Ah, she's fine, let's keep partying." (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 27:03 And I found a Yankees hat and I put it on, and that's when I knew-

Joe Rogan 27:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 27:06 ... it's time to get sober. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:08 (laughs) So where did you go to get... Did you go to get sober on... Did you do it on your own?

Bridget Phetasy 27:13 No. Yeah, I just... So I had tried everything. Like, every... I mean, I was, I was the classic, like, only drink, only drink booze, only drink alone, only drink with friends, only sm-... I did the whole, like, marijuana maintenance, only smoke weed. I got certified in yoga, become a yoga instructor.

Joe Rogan 27:30 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 27:30 I e- went to therapy. Literally anything other than 12-step, because I had been in 12-step when I was 19, 20 that first time, and I hated it (laughs) 'cause I couldn't drink-

Joe Rogan 27:43 Hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 27:44 ... at all and I couldn't do anything. And I just... I came up with a big, you know, I, I, I came up with a big case against 12-step. I was like, "It's fear-based." And blah, blah, blah and all the God stuff, and I was off and running. And I was out... My first husband and I were raging alcoholics. We were in the restaurant indus-... I was in the restaurant industry for a long time in my life. That industry is riddled with alcoholism and drugs and partying, and so I was just around it too all the time. And then, um, around 35, after that Coachella that summer w-... I had just gotten back from traveling around the world for, like, two years. I was very lost. I was in LA and I didn't know what I was doing anymore. I felt confused. I went back east. Worked in a restaurant where I had been and it was like this whole... I fell immediately into the rut. I was, like, sleeping with the same douchebags I slept with when I had been there, like, seven years before, having/doing tons of drugs, burning bridges with my family, and I was coming back to LA after just... My sister wouldn't let me stay with her and rightfully, and I was a mess, and I was coming back and I was like, "I'm gonna cop heroin and kill myself," basically. I was just so-

Joe Rogan 29:01 Whoa.

Bridget Phetasy 29:01 ... internally... It was not s- necessarily, like, many of my rock bottoms were actually physical, or my first one I lost everything. This was more emotional. And, um, yeah, I was, uh, I went for a hike. I went up to, like, Temescal because I was like, "Well, before I cop heroin I should maybe pause and go for a hike." And sometime on that hike I decided to go to a meeting that night, 'cause I'd done an experimental year of sobriety in, like, 2010.

Joe Rogan 29:30 What was it about the hike that-

Bridget Phetasy 29:32 I was sweating and my... I was, like, sweating out dr-... I was just toxic. I could feel how toxic I was. I could smell how toxic I was. And-

Joe Rogan 29:40 Which s- what did it smell like?

Bridget Phetasy 29:41 Ugh, like-

Joe Rogan 29:41 Chemicals?

Bridget Phetasy 29:42 Chemicals and blow and probably, like, baby powder. (laughs) I mean, you know, like, everything just booze and then... And I had been smoking a lot of weed to try and chemically balance all of it, and I ended up getting to the top and something... It was like, they call it, like, it was like a window of grace. I don't know. It was, like, one small window of willingness. I don't, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 30:05 Window of grace? Is that what you're saying?

Bridget Phetasy 30:07 Yeah, it was like, there... They say there are these kind of, like, opportunities where you can walk through a, like, door of willingness if you're, you're really at rock bottom and trying to get... And I made... I've joked about this before. I made alcoholism look amazing. Like, I, I had a lot of fun. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:26 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 30:26 I was, I was kill-... I was like... O- from the outside it looked okay. It was just internally I felt like I was rotting to the core.

Joe Rogan 30:33 Hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 30:33 And I also couldn't really get out of my own way. And so I went to a meeting and I didn't even... I wasn't like, "I'm getting sober." I just didn't know what else to do. And I was miserable. I mean, I was fucking miserable the first two years of my sobriety. But it was better than feeling like I wanted to kill myself.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 30:53 And so I just kept walking through it.... and doing what they told me to do. They were like, "Get a stupid job," so I was waiting tables, and like-

Joe Rogan 31:01 Why, why did they say to get a stupid job?

Bridget Phetasy 31:03 They're just, you're, you know, a lot of times you have this kind of idea of being a big shot, or, not that I did at all, I was still waiting tables and, like, broke all the time. But it's really just this idea of, like, being a worker among workers. Like, put yourself in a, get a day job so you can pay your bills and not be dependent and struggling. And put yourself in, uh... 'cause sometimes it's like people who come from, you know, finance or whatever, they'll, they were big shots and then they kind of lose everything.

Joe Rogan 31:31 And so then they tell them to get a job-

Bridget Phetasy 31:33 Everybody needs-

Joe Rogan 31:33 ... to humble themselves?

Bridget Phetasy 31:34 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 Is that the idea?

Bridget Phetasy 31:34 And just for, just for consistency.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 31:37 And to be responsible and to have to show up and, I mean, I really realized... I started drinking when I was 12, and pretty-

Joe Rogan 31:46 Holy shit.

Bridget Phetasy 31:46 ... alcoholically by the time I was 15. (clears throat) And I-

Joe Rogan 31:51 You were fucking 12?

Bridget Phetasy 31:52 Yeah, I was young.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Oh my God.

Bridget Phetasy 31:53 I mean-

Joe Rogan 31:53 Nobody was paying attention to you?

Bridget Phetasy 31:54 No. And my parents got divorced right around that age, and, um, yeah, I started, I s- was off to the races and then I was just, by the time I was 19, I was in, it w- it made a lot of sense. And I was in rehab for heroin, and then got off that but that kind of not being, I used that as an excuse to be like, "Oh, I'm not an addict, 'cause I'm not doing heroin anymore." So, I used that to stay out for a long time as an excuse of like-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 32:25 ... "Well, as long as I'm not doing heroin," because anyone would get addicted to that.

Joe Rogan 32:29 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 32:30 And so, (sighs) yeah, I, I mean, it was a long, long journey to sobriety and then I, I was very miserable and somehow... And then around two years, like, the rubber just started meeting the road. I got my first column at Playboy, I sold my first, um, freelance writing piece. I started doing... You have so much energy when you get sober, for somebody like me who was wasting a lot of it just drinking and partying, that I just had to do a lot of different things and al- I couldn't really deny that my quality of life improving drastically and starting to do things that I had always wanted to do, like be a paid writer. It didn't seem like an accident that it was y- a couple of years after I had been sober that these things started happening.

Joe Rogan 33:16 And so while it was happening, did you follow any protocol? Did you, like, or did, well, did you follow any advice from books?

Bridget Phetasy 33:23 I was in 12 Step, like full-on in, in ...

Joe Rogan 33:27 But what, what di- what didn't you like about that? What didn't you like about the 12 Step?

Bridget Phetasy 33:31 When I first left the 12 Steps or just when I was in them?

Joe Rogan 33:34 Just in general.

Bridget Phetasy 33:35 Um, well, I have, you know, I had a lot of reason to think that abstinence isn't the only way, which they've found isn't for everybody. Uh, it is for me because there's no middle ground with subs- I, I started smoking cigarettes in sobriety. This is a perfect example of how there's (laughs) like no mid-ground. And I was so mad 'cause I had quit everything and I started smoking cigarettes in 2015. And I was, I had one cigarette at a meeting and I was like, "All right. I'll have a cigarette." And then I was off to the fucking races smoking a pack a day within, like, weeks. I'm like, "If this is any example of what I'll be like with booze or anything, I just know there's n- I do not..." Some people can be moderate, they have that ability, and I envy the fuck out of it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:24 So, there's a difference between people who are alcoholics, like they have a genetic propensity to alcoholism, and then people who just get in these bad ruts?

Bridget Phetasy 34:35 Right. I think I have... My grandfather was an alcoholic. I come from a long line of very high-functioning alcoholics, or maybe not even high functioning.

Joe Rogan 34:45 (clears throat) What is your nationality?

Bridget Phetasy 34:47 Um, I am French, Italian, and Irish, but I'm mostly Irish.

Joe Rogan 34:51 It's the fucking Irish.

Bridget Phetasy 34:52 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:53 The hard part.

Bridget Phetasy 34:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:54 That's a problem.

Bridget Phetasy 34:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:56 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 34:56 Yeah. And my family made it look, it was like a, uh, the, our culture. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:01 I have one alcoholic in my family.

Bridget Phetasy 35:02 Don't take my culture.

Joe Rogan 35:03 My grandfather on my father's side who was the Irishman.

Bridget Phetasy 35:06 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:06 That's where I, I'm one-quarter Irish. My grandfather on my father's side came from Ireland, he was a drunk.

Bridget Phetasy 35:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:12 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 35:13 Yeah, I just, I, I tried everything. I tried everything too. It wasn't like I was 20 anymore, I was 35 and I tried everything. So I, and it was just easier at that point. It's, it was, the, when I was trying to be moderate, like, "I'm just gonna have a glass of wine. I'm just gonna have two glasses of wine," the amount (laughs) of energy that it takes me to do that, it's just a waste of energy. I actually am glad that I have an addiction that I can just remove because so many people with, like, behavioral addictions, that shit's hard.

Joe Rogan 35:43 So, explain to me, like, what it's like. So you ha- you say, "I'm just gonna have a glass of wine." And then when you have that glass of wine, like, what happens?

Bridget Phetasy 35:52 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Shark eyes?

Bridget Phetasy 35:53 It's like, it's like, I'm like a gremlin. I don't... (laughs) It's like...

Joe Rogan 35:57 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 35:58 Too, you pour, it's like pouring water on a gremlin.

Joe Rogan 36:01 I think it's when you feed 'em after midnight.

Bridget Phetasy 36:02 Or it's, whatever it is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:04 Right? When you pour water on 'em, they multiply.

Bridget Phetasy 36:06 They multiply.

Joe Rogan 36:06 But when you-

Bridget Phetasy 36:06 It's also true. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:10 ... feed 'em (laughs) when you feed 'em after midnight.

Bridget Phetasy 36:12 I mean, I, I don't know how I lived through all those years, truly. I, I do feel like sl- serial killers were sleeping on the job through most of the, like, early aughts. I don't know how I, I was so reckless and it's dangerous as a woman. I don't, I don't really know how I, I made it through.

Joe Rogan 36:27 I think there's a lot of people out there living like that, though.

Bridget Phetasy 36:30 Oh, fuck. I mean-

Joe Rogan 36:31 Because there's so many people that lack structure and discipline and guidance, and then you add in the propensity to alcoholism that many people have. And then you add in the fact that w- I mean, come on, what percentage of people go out and have a few drinks?

Bridget Phetasy 36:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:46 A huge percentage. Like, what percentage of people that work all day long, and then the weekend rolls around and they get together with friends from the office, they go, "Let's go have a few drinks."

Bridget Phetasy 36:56 That's fun-

Joe Rogan 36:57 ... that it's fucking 65, 75%.

Bridget Phetasy 36:59 That's fine though, but did you see the numbers during COVID of, like, alcoholism?

Joe Rogan 37:03 Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 37:03 It, it's crazy. People were just day-drinking all day long.

Joe Rogan 37:06 Yeah. We played a video of this guy who was jogging through his neighborhood, he was pointing out the recyclables-

Bridget Phetasy 37:11 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Like, how many people... Did you ever see that video?

Bridget Phetasy 37:13 I did see that.

Joe Rogan 37:13 It's like, "What the fuck is going on?" This guy's like, "Everybody's getting drunk."

Bridget Phetasy 37:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 They're all hiding.

Bridget Phetasy 37:18 I ju- I, I mean, I think that... Yeah. (laughs) I would have one drink or say I was gonna... I mean, here's a perfect example. One time I went out to my local, this was when I was living in LA, and I was like, "I'm just gonna have one margarita." And we went to this local place, my friends and I, and the next thing I remember, I woke up and had, like, permanent marker written on my face and there was some dude sleeping in my place and, I mean, it was... And, like, my friend was there passed out too. But I was like, "What happened?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:49 (laughs) What was the marker on your face? What did it say?

Bridget Phetasy 37:51 I don't even remember what it said. It said something. I can't remember even what it said. It wasn't, like, slut or anything. It w- I, that happened when I was much younger. That happened to me when I was in high school and my mom had to pick me up and it was Mother's Day, and someone had written slut on my forehead-

Joe Rogan 38:07 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 38:07 ... in permanent marker. (laughs) Yeah. I mean, that should've been a sign-

Joe Rogan 38:12 On Mother's Day.

Bridget Phetasy 38:13 ... to my mom-

Joe Rogan 38:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 38:13 ... that maybe things were going off the rails, but...

Joe Rogan 38:15 Hey, mom, maybe you don't deserve an award.

Bridget Phetasy 38:16 Mm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:17 (laughs) Maybe you don't get a card this year.

Bridget Phetasy 38:20 It should've just said, "Do better, mom."

Joe Rogan 38:22 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 38:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:23 You fucked up, mom.

Bridget Phetasy 38:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:24 Yeah, should've been there.

Bridget Phetasy 38:25 Yeah. No, the, it just, I think that there's, there's so much to all of it. This, my story is not original. There's a lot, I think, there's an, uh, there's a piece that I've been wanting to write for, like, years about how, um, I regret being a slut. Like, there, and I don't wanna, th- slut-shame myself or anyone, but I really was, like, hypersexual for many of my years, and I thought that I could kind of sleep my way to empowerment, and it was such a lie that I told myself. And I see young women struggling with a lot of this stuff now.

Joe Rogan 39:04 But what do you mean by sleeping your way to empowerment? What do you mean by that?

Bridget Phetasy 39:07 Like, there's this whole message of like, "You can kinda fuck whoever you want." And like, it's, uh, you know, having sex, like, uh, men get to do it and women can do it too. And I just, I, I think that the, the shame that I came into sobriety with, so much of it was around my sexual history and sexual life. And I think about how little self-esteem and s- self-worth, I mean, that was really what it got down to when I really started drilling down. And what I still wrestle with, to a certain extent, is just a feeling of it's way better, but wi- at the core of it is worthlessness. And, um...

Joe Rogan 39:47 D- that, but that has to come from childhood, right?

Bridget Phetasy 39:50 Um, I th-

Joe Rogan 39:51 Well, I shouldn't say has to, but, but...

Bridget Phetasy 39:52 I mean, I think it's, maybe starts there? But I don't, I don't know. It, a lot of it became choices that I was making that reinforced that idea. So, maybe there's some stuff from childhood that you feel worthless for whatever reason, and I think-

Joe Rogan 40:09 Well, it's e-

Bridget Phetasy 40:09 ... being raised Catholic doesn't help always.

Joe Rogan 40:12 No. But, I mean, if you're being ignored to the extent that you're drinking at 12, and you're becoming a full-blown alcoholic at 15, clearly you're not getting any of the attention you need.

Bridget Phetasy 40:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:22 Kids need a certain amount of mentorship. They need a certain amount of independence and freedom, but they need a certain amount of love and attention.

Bridget Phetasy 40:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:29 They just, they just need it.

Bridget Phetasy 40:30 I think we just had, we, uh, had, uh, my dad traveled a lot, they got divorced, so there wasn't a real strong male figure in my life. And I think women do get a lot of that, kind of self-esteem and, from their father, or their, or the ma- a good male figure in their life kind of telling them that they're, they're... And wom- and from their mothers too, but real- I don't know, it seems like it does come from the male role model in their life. And then, my mom married my stepdad, and that was a shit show. It was just like, um, he was mentally ill and... Oh, god, I never talk about any of this. It was, um, yeah, it, it was, uh, it was a lot. It was like in and out of mental institutions and we never knew what we were coming home to, and a lot of-

Joe Rogan 41:17 Oh, geez.

Bridget Phetasy 41:17 ... craziness and, um, she was caught up with h- him, you know, trying to deal with him and his, uh, he took on a lot, he took on five kids. I'm the oldest of five. He was young when they got married. I don't know, which should've been the first sign that he was crazy, um. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:36 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 41:38 Truly. Um, but, yeah, that was, and I think that everyone in the family suffered. You know, everyone, no one really came out of that environment unscathed. Um, but we all, I, my siblings and I are all super close, and we have supported one another, and I'm, like, amazed at the lives they've built. We always joke, we're like, "We did a horrible job raising our parents." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:05 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 42:06 We did a really bad job raising them. But we did. I mean, I think it, yeah, probably raising yourself isn't a great thing for a teenage girl, and then I w- I was, I was such a good kid. I was, like, straight A student, I was, like, a chi- I was serious-

Joe Rogan 42:21 While you were an alcoholic?

Bridget Phetasy 42:22 No. I mean, up to a certain point, it started falling apart. But we moved every year and a half, I managed to keep straight As, and I was, I was, like, on that fast track to Harvard. I wanted to go to an Ivy League school. And sh- it, shit gets hard when you're g- that's what I feel like people sometimes don't understand, and a lot of people, kind of, in, in the, like, elite media don't seem to understand this. If you're worried about your food or your parents or some shit going on at home, it gets hard to, like, pay attention to your homework and care about these things.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 42:56 If your family system is out of control and you're not...And there's a lot of children in these kinds of environments and-

Joe Rogan 43:04 Well, I'm, I'm concerned about the state of these institutions across the board anyway.

Bridget Phetasy 43:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:10 And, but for sure, it's really hard for people to sustain that sort of a, a, uh, any kind of an education schedule when you're dealing with-

Bridget Phetasy 43:18 Yeah, and it starts to seem petty.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:20 Like, you're like, "Oh-"

Joe Rogan 43:22 Like something important, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:22 "... my stepdad threatened to, like, kill himself and is in a mental ward and, like, I'm supposed to give a shit about my math homework?"

Joe Rogan 43:28 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 43:28 It just seems stupid and my mom is, like, falling apart, so.

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:32 It just wasn't, um... It became less of a priority, and then I didn't have anybody on me. But then because of that, I, I felt like it was my fault, and in some ways it was, and I started using drugs and alcohol to cope with just that environment. And I gave up on myself at, like, a very young age. And this is one of the things that I... I talk to a lot of teenagers and young 20-year-olds, and they have had challenges or been derailed from what they thought they were gonna do, and they're like, "Well, I'm 23, so I guess my life is over." I'm like, "It's... You're so young." (laughs) I want to shake you and tell you all, if you are in your 20s-

Joe Rogan 44:14 I'm 23.

Bridget Phetasy 44:14 But I know that feeling. I felt that way when I was 19 and in rehab, like I had just fucked up my whole life. And even though I was 19 and could have easily gone back to college and got a degree and had plenty of time, I was so disappointed in myself and I could not forgive myself for that or get over that disappointment. And then you just start burying yourself in more, uh, shame. Shame is strong, man.

Joe Rogan 44:38 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 44:38 Shame is... Shame will keep you in a cycle forever.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Yeah. Yeah, and not having anything to boost your self-esteem, right? You didn't have anything that you were really particularly good at that you could go to and, uh, invest all your time and energy into that, that would give you-

Bridget Phetasy 44:53 I mean, uh, eh, I might've, but it was... And that's, like, a kind of-

Joe Rogan 44:57 What was it? When you say you might've.

Bridget Phetasy 44:58 I, I think that I was really into the arts and... Yeah, it's a f-... It's a, like-

Joe Rogan 45:02 Right, but you weren't getting feedback, right? You weren't doing something-

Bridget Phetasy 45:05 No, I was.

Joe Rogan 45:06 ... where you were being successful at a, on a regular basis.

Bridget Phetasy 45:08 Right. The one person who was supportive was my stepdad and he wa-... Uh, it was, like, it was not good.

Joe Rogan 45:13 Right. You always say-

Bridget Phetasy 45:15 Shit got weird. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:16 Yeah, the arts. Like, what do you mean by the arts?

Bridget Phetasy 45:18 I mean, I was acting and I was, like, b-... Wanted to be a writer and was very into all that stuff, and I was going to film school for a minute after I got outta rehab and I really loved all of that. And I think had I had some support even when I got out of rehab that I could have continued that. But, um, yeah, I think if you don't have the... You need support from people and you need encouragement, like you said. And then I... That's one of the reasons, though, that I do value my self-esteem so much because it, it's been built, like, brick by brick from scratch-

Joe Rogan 45:52 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 45:53 ... on my own. And you're such a good friend. I mean, you really, you do notice when I'm, like, not in a good place (laughs) and you'll reach out and be like, "Are you okay?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:02 (laughs) Well, I know-

Bridget Phetasy 46:03 "Like, I saw you tweeting some weird things." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:05 I know your waves, you know? And I love you, so when things are weird with you...

Bridget Phetasy 46:10 Uh. There are t- I mean, there are times where it gets... It's definitely... It's, it's... I'm competing against people who had what I wanted.

Joe Rogan 46:20 What do you mean?

Bridget Phetasy 46:21 Eh, even in, like, the, the Thinx piece. In, even in the space of, like, the writers and the people who are writing these columns and Substacks and all these things. Not so much in comedy, but in, in the writing world, it's, like, all academics and people who generally went to colleges and they seem like they had loving parents (laughs) and support.

Joe Rogan 46:44 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 46:45 And I sometimes feel like I don't belong in that world.

Joe Rogan 46:49 Oh, that's okay. Listen, let me stop you.

Bridget Phetasy 46:49 You know? I have, I have, like, imposter syndrome.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Let me s-... That's crazy. Y-... You can't think like that. You, uh, you're a brilliant writer and you write really interesting shit, and it's funny and it's, it's-

Bridget Phetasy 46:58 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 46:58 ... insightful.

Bridget Phetasy 47:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:00 And I don't think you can think about what other people are doing.

Bridget Phetasy 47:03 No, it's not-

Joe Rogan 47:03 I don't think you should compare yourself to them people. I don't think you should ever say, you know, "I'm competing with them." I think-

Bridget Phetasy 47:09 Well, it's, like, I feel like I, I don't have the, like, pedigree to be in the-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Nonsense.

Bridget Phetasy 47:13 ... in the space.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Not l-... Neither did Bukowski.

Bridget Phetasy 47:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:16 Like, m- some of the best writers ever were just interesting people, like, you don't-

Bridget Phetasy 47:19 I'm just being honest.

Joe Rogan 47:20 I understand what you're saying, but I think-

Bridget Phetasy 47:22 It's uncomfortable.

Joe Rogan 47:22 ... that's a bad pattern.

Bridget Phetasy 47:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:24 It's a bad pattern to, uh, to, to nurse in your head.

Bridget Phetasy 47:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Don't, don't keep it.

Bridget Phetasy 47:28 I, I don't nurse it.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Okay.

Bridget Phetasy 47:29 I'm just being honest about when you sense those moments-

Joe Rogan 47:32 That's what it is?

Bridget Phetasy 47:33 ... those cycles, it's me feeling, like, imposter syndrome. Like, "What am I doing?"

Joe Rogan 47:38 Ugh. See, imposter syndrome never goes away, kid. I have it still.

Bridget Phetasy 47:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:43 For what? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:44 Everything. Everything. Everything I've done.

Bridget Phetasy 47:47 I do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:47 Everything. I used to have it when I fought. I used to have it when, uh, uh, you know, like, I have it with comedy, I have it with podcasting, I have it with UFC. I have it with everything.

Bridget Phetasy 47:56 That's fascinating to me.

Joe Rogan 47:57 It's, it's part of being a person who is ruthlessly introspective.

Bridget Phetasy 48:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:02 And is constantly analyzing the work that you do and constantly trying to fix it and make it better and, and doing a lot of self-auditing. Like, I'm all-

Bridget Phetasy 48:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:12 ... uh, with everything, with everything I do. I'm, I'm, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 48:14 I mean, that's part of it, too, is I'm just very hard on myself.

Joe Rogan 48:17 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 48:17 And not even... I'm competing mostly with myself.

Joe Rogan 48:20 That's why you're good.

Bridget Phetasy 48:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:21 That's just, that's part of the, the thing. Uh, the, the sooner you realize that, that we all do that, the better off you'll be.

Bridget Phetasy 48:27 (laughs) I was laughing so hard, though. You were checking on me once when I was (laughs) tweeting about... I was like, "I just Googled how to get rid of my jowls." And you're like, "Are you okay?" And I'm like, "Well, now I really feel like a loser." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:42 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 48:42 Like, nothing will make you feel like a loser than even, like, uh... I'm not okay, clearly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:48 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 48:48 I'm Googling how to get rid of my jowls. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:51 Ssh.

Bridget Phetasy 48:52 But it, it... I, I'm also honest about... I'm... I try to be very honest about those struggles because I know I'm not alone.

Joe Rogan 49:00 No.

Bridget Phetasy 49:00 I know so many people.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Yeah, we're not alone.

Bridget Phetasy 49:03 No, I meant-

Joe Rogan 49:03 But no one's alone.

Bridget Phetasy 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:04 That's the hope of this.

Bridget Phetasy 49:05 I, I can't project, like, the... I just don't have... I s-... I sometimes look at the confidence that you have people... I'm like, "H-... Where do you get this?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:13 I, I... Uh, it's a different thing. It's not necessarily, like, ju-... Like, people think of confidence as being, like...... there's no... (exhales) it's almost like if you have a pie chart, right? And how much of you believes you can do it? I- if it's ever 100%, you're a psychopath.

Bridget Phetasy 49:30 (laughs) Sure.

Joe Rogan 49:30 It's not 100. (clears throat) It's... There's a lot going on on that pie chart.

Bridget Phetasy 49:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:35 The thing is, like, what do you concentrate on?

Bridget Phetasy 49:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:37 You know, I, I concentrate on the process-

Bridget Phetasy 49:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:40 ... and how much work I've done. Like, the thing that gives me confidence (clears throat) before I do a standup show or anything is that I put in the work.

Bridget Phetasy 49:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:49 That's the thing that gives me confidence.

Bridget Phetasy 49:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:50 That I've done a lot of practice shows, you know, that I, I constantly work in town. Before I do these arena shows, I constantly go over my notes.

Bridget Phetasy 49:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:57 I don't just wing it.

Bridget Phetasy 49:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:59 Like, I... And if I don't do that, then I will, then I will really f- feel like a piece of shit.

Bridget Phetasy 50:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:05 'Cause I'm like, "You have all these opportunities, and then you're not putting in the work."

Bridget Phetasy 50:09 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Like, you, you're half-assing this. You can't half-ass. So as long as I don't half-ass it, then I know I can do it. But I... It still feels crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 50:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Everything feels crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 50:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Oh, everything, from the success of the podcast to going on stage in front of fucking 16,000 people, all that. It feels fucking insane. It doesn't feel real.

Bridget Phetasy 50:27 That's amazing, though. I-

Joe Rogan 50:28 Right before I do it, I'm like, "This can't be real."

Bridget Phetasy 50:29 I love seeing those videos. I love them.

Joe Rogan 50:31 They're so bizarre.

Bridget Phetasy 50:33 I know, but it's, it's so exciting, because you're... I actually think you're a good person, and you deserve your success. And I know you work very hard for it. You're one of the hardest working people I know, and you're dedicated to your process, and you're not just full of shit. You know, there, there's, there's like this... The... One of the jokes I used to always tell is about how in The Secret, the guy is like, "You know, and I just had this idea for a book, and then I envisioned the checks coming in the mail-"

Joe Rogan 50:59 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 50:59 "... and the checks just showed up." And I'm like, "Yeah, you wrote the fucking book."

Joe Rogan 51:03 (mouths word) Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 51:03 In between that, that's like where most people-

Joe Rogan 51:06 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 51:06 ... get tripped up, is doing that work and setting those habits and-

Joe Rogan 51:10 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 51:10 ... being hard on yourself and working out and being diligent and-

Joe Rogan 51:13 And having some talent, too. You know, there's a lot of people out there that are just, whatever it is, their brain just doesn't f- fit the square peg into the square hole. It's just like, "Earth, earth."

Bridget Phetasy 51:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:24 They just... (laughs) You know? There's some people that just don't get... You have to have some kinda talent, but that Secret thing used to drive me fucking crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 51:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:34 It used to drive me so mental. This is a sad story. It's not sad, but it's kinda sad. There was a girl who used to come to The Comedy Store. She was very nice. I think she was a friend of Kelly Kirsten's. And so, she, uh, she came around. We were all hanging out, and, uh, it was like a normal night. Everything was normal. You know, it wasn't anything crazy. I don't even think she was drunk.

Bridget Phetasy 51:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:54 And then she goes, "I'm so happy."

Bridget Phetasy 51:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:57 And I go, "Okay, why are you happy?" And she goes, "Because I know that I am going to have the perfect career. I know that, uh, I'm going to be in the perfect relationship, and I know that everything's gonna work out." And I said, "How do you know that?" And she goes, "I know because I've been reading The Secret."

Bridget Phetasy 52:13 Oh, God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:14 And I, and I just like... It was like the, the record skipped.

Bridget Phetasy 52:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:17 Like, "Oh, you poor kid."

Bridget Phetasy 52:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 She was so nice, though. Like, I didn't have the heart to tell her. You know, I didn't, I didn't want to dash her dreams. It was one of the rare moments where I didn't feel like dashing someone's dreams.

Bridget Phetasy 52:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:27 So, I remember saying, "Well, good luck." And... 'Cause I had a friend of mine who was into that, too. He was like... He was a musician, and he's, he was envisioning himself in front of 25,000 people, rocking. Like, he had all these, these ideas-

Bridget Phetasy 52:37 Did it work?

Joe Rogan 52:37 No, it didn't work.

Bridget Phetasy 52:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:38 It doesn't work. Like, I... This is what I...

Bridget Phetasy 52:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:42 So, this is the story. So this... But I'm telling you, this girl was like locked in.

Bridget Phetasy 52:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:46 She believed. And so I didn't see her for a good, solid year and a half, maybe more. And then the next time I saw her was at the UCB, uh, and, uh, I was outside, and I was about to go in, and I ran into her. She's coming to the show. I go, "Hey, what's up? How you doing? How's it been?" And she's like, "It's just not going like I thought it was going to go."

Bridget Phetasy 53:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:08 Like, "I'm not... Everything's not going..." I go, "The last time I talked to you, you were telling me about The Secret and all that stuff." And she goes, "Yeah. I don't know why, but it's just not working."

Bridget Phetasy 53:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:19 "I mean, my father's an asshole, and I can't... You know, the... My job is not working. I can't get the career I wanted." And I d- still didn't have the heart to tell her, 'cause she was nice and so was I. But my perspective on these things is always, you can't listen to someone who's succeeded and say that the reason why they did it is because they believed, and then they had a vision, and they manifested through the, the power of attraction, the law of attraction. That's not real.

Bridget Phetasy 53:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:52 When... You're only talking to winners. If you could talk to everyone-

Bridget Phetasy 53:56 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 53:57 ... who had a dream... Like, acting is the best example, right? Because acting is probably the number one most failed at-

Bridget Phetasy 54:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:03 ... attempt in careers, especially in Hollywood, which is one of the weirder things about living in Los Angeles is that, whether you know it or not, you're around failed actors. Like, there's a lot of my wife's former friends, like, that, you know, you would dig below the surface, and then you'd find, oh, they came out here to be an actor.

Bridget Phetasy 54:22 Right, and I think there's this false sense that you can make it, because the v- r-... Like, the opposite of that is that you're always surrounded by people who have made it.

Joe Rogan 54:31 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 54:32 So there's... Uh, you're always surrounded by failed actors, but as these actors who are trying to make it, they know someone who knows someone who did, or they're s- they're friends with someone who's making it. And so there's this false idea that, you know, everybody can.

Joe Rogan 54:45 And then, what fucked it up even worse is reality shows, because then you didn't even have to have talent.

Bridget Phetasy 54:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:50 Then there was this injection-

Bridget Phetasy 54:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 ... of new possibility, just that you could make it for no fucking reason whatsoever.

Bridget Phetasy 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:57 It was almost like a magic trick. Like, all of a sudden, like, we found a hack to the system, and you got the cheat code. You got the God code.

Bridget Phetasy 55:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 55:04 And now, now you can run through the video game without getting shot. Like, what? You don't even have to have talent?

Bridget Phetasy 55:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:08 No auditions at all. No auditions at all.

Bridget Phetasy 55:10 I mean, you audition, I think.

Joe Rogan 55:11 You just-

Bridget Phetasy 55:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:11 ... smack people in the face on TV and spill wine over someone's head. And next thing you know, you're a fucking-

Bridget Phetasy 55:16 No.

Joe Rogan 55:16 ... star, baby.

Bridget Phetasy 55:17 They, they not only audition you, they psychologically profile you.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Oh, yeah, they want you to be crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 55:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 55:23 I've gone through these. I have.

Joe Rogan 55:24 Yeah, I'm sure you have.

Bridget Phetasy 55:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:26 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 55:26 I was gonna be on The Real World when I was like 23. I made it all the way-

Joe Rogan 55:30 Oh, my God.

Bridget Phetasy 55:30 ... to the final round. Thank God I didn't-

Joe Rogan 55:32 Thank God you didn't.

Bridget Phetasy 55:33 ... 'cause, man, I would be dead.

Joe Rogan 55:34 You'd be fine. Theo Von made it through.

Bridget Phetasy 55:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:36 So my, my point about it was that, like, these people that think that just because someone is successful, and they'll tell you, "What I did was I put a photograph on the..." I sound like The Rock.

Bridget Phetasy 55:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:48 "I put a photograph on the wall of me walking the red carpet."

Bridget Phetasy 55:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:52 "I took a photo of a house. That's gonna be my home on the top-

Bridget Phetasy 55:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:56 ... of a hill." Like, they have all these ideas.

Bridget Phetasy 55:57 It's like vision boards.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Yeah, vision boards.

Bridget Phetasy 55:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:59 But what's going on is, these are people that did all the right things and also...... had a vision.

Bridget Phetasy 56:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:07 But they did all the right things.

Bridget Phetasy 56:08 And luck.

Joe Rogan 56:09 And luck.

Bridget Phetasy 56:10 Luck is a big-

Joe Rogan 56:11 Luck. It's a big factor.

Bridget Phetasy 56:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:13 And not having bad luck, even if you don't have good luck, not even, not getting hit by a car while you're jogging.

Bridget Phetasy 56:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:18 You know, there's, there's a lot of shit that goes wrong with people that's just bad luck.

Bridget Phetasy 56:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:22 So, it's not just good luck has to happen, bad luck has to not happen.

Bridget Phetasy 56:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:27 So, if you're talking to these fucking assholes that are like, "I've got my own jet and the reason why is 'cause I used the power of-"

Bridget Phetasy 56:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:33 "... positive attraction. The law of attraction led me to victory and I can help you."

Bridget Phetasy 56:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:39 You know, like, those people are assholes.

Bridget Phetasy 56:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Because you're, you're telling people that there's a simple solution to one of the most complex, nuanced problems, trying to be successful in this open-ended world of possibilities.

Bridget Phetasy 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Especially in something that is re- like, has a very small percentage of people that are actually successful at.

Bridget Phetasy 57:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. A, a, a, a very small. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 Very small. It's almost like, you know, there's this narrative that standup comedy is one of the most difficult jobs in all of show business, but I almost wanna say it's not. And this is why. Because at least you get a chance to try and practice. It's one of the rare art forms where you, you may not make any money at it for a long time, but there's opportunities at open mic nights where you can practice.

Bridget Phetasy 57:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:34 And you get to communicate with other comics, like, one, one of the things about comics, I find, is that generally, the, the nice ones, the good ones, are willing to talk to people that are on the way up-

Bridget Phetasy 57:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:46 ... and give them advice 'cause it's so hard.

Bridget Phetasy 57:48 You're-

Joe Rogan 57:49 But there's-

Bridget Phetasy 57:49 ... one of the few.

Joe Rogan 57:50 I don't think, you think so?

Bridget Phetasy 57:52 Joe, you have the benefit of everyone treating you like (laughs) Joe Rogan. (laughs) So, I'm not sure you always see, like, how people treat other people. I don't know that everybody is like that, you know? I, I, I think you're one of the few. I don't, I don't... There are, are many, there are, are some, but I don't, I don't know that that's common.

Joe Rogan 58:14 I think it's re-... I think for sure I do it a lot, and I do it on purpose, but I think it's rubbed off on a lot of people too. And I know a lot of other comics that I'm friends with that do it as well.

Bridget Phetasy 58:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:22 So, I'm speaking out of my circle.

Bridget Phetasy 58:25 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Like my, my, my, my circle of friends are very good at it.

Bridget Phetasy 58:28 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:28 Like Ari Shaffir is amazing at it.

Bridget Phetasy 58:29 Ari's amazing.

Joe Rogan 58:30 He's amazing at it.

Bridget Phetasy 58:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:31 He was just posting this incredible bit of Shane Gillis's, it's on his Instagram right now.

Bridget Phetasy 58:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Ari, Ari's great.

Bridget Phetasy 58:36 And he's so supportive of my favorite comedian, Adrienne Apaluchi-

Joe Rogan 58:39 Yes. He is, he is.

Bridget Phetasy 58:40 ... in the entire world, and he's a huge fan of hers and has... She always talks about just how great he is and how great he's been, and she is truly, truly one of the funniest people out there right now.

Joe Rogan 58:51 Yes, she's really, really funny.

Bridget Phetasy 58:53 Just v- I mean, she does, there's no, hits every third rail.

Joe Rogan 58:56 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 58:56 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 58:57 No, she's wild.

Bridget Phetasy 58:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:58 And Ari is a, a giant supporter of her. Um, Marc Normand, he's a giant supporter.

Bridget Phetasy 59:03 I love Marc.

Joe Rogan 59:03 He's a, he's a... Ari, he, he took the torch. He really did.

Bridget Phetasy 59:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:08 He, he followed that example-

Bridget Phetasy 59:09 I agree, yep.

Joe Rogan 59:10 ... and, and he has great instincts as far as, like, supporting the art. Um, but you can be an amateur and make it.

Bridget Phetasy 59:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:17 Like, you can do it. Like, I think it's probably the path is clearer for that than it is for acting.

Bridget Phetasy 59:24 Oh, God. Acting's, acting's so hard.

Joe Rogan 59:26 It's, but it's so crazy because you get chosen.

Bridget Phetasy 59:30 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 59:30 You have to... That's why they all have no opinions.

Bridget Phetasy 59:32 That's what I love about standup-

Joe Rogan 59:35 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 59:35 ... is no one can stop you.

Joe Rogan 59:36 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 59:36 You, no one's stopping you from getting up and trying things out, and there's no gatekeepers really at all.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 59:42 And with acting, there's still a lot of gatekeeping that goes on.

Joe Rogan 59:46 If you're funny, like I was having this conversation with Ali Wong, and she agreed. We were like, "I think it's a meritocracy." Like, it's one of the rare meritocracies. Like if you're a killer, if you go out there and just fucking murder, people are like, "Holy shit." And they, they wanna use you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 And they want you to do more shows because the audience loves you, and they want a, "When are you gonna be here again?" And they wanna bring their friends. That's a meritocracy.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:07 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 It, it really, it, in, in some ways. But it's not pure, right? There's clearly, people get ahead when they shouldn't because they're friends with people or they schmooze, or...

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:16 Yeah. I mean, I also do (laughs) being that, um... I mean, speaking of Ali Wong, I love her so much because especially with like her specials fully pregnant-

Joe Rogan 1:00:29 Hilarious.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:29 ... I'm like, "Oh, my God."

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Two of 'em.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:30 Two of 'em.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 She must fuck a lot.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:32 (laughs) Just two of 'em up there. Just... I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 It's like, how do you time that? I wonder if she did the second one on purpose after the, the first one was so successful being pregnant.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:43 But I do, being that I'm pregnant (laughs) I was, like, in that first, um, I'm announcing this right now.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Nobody knows.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:52 Nobody knows.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Now you've just told the world.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Being that, you said, "Being that I'm pregnant."

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:55 Instead of a gender reveal party, I'm gonna, I'm burning down California.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:59 I'm gonna do a gender reveal podcast. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Yeah, just, just spray pink flammable fluid everywhere.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:06 Yeah. (laughs) It's a girl. Um, yeah. Being in that, in that first trimester, I was like, "Oh, this is why there aren't women in everything." (laughs) Not as many women, you know, when you talk about it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:16 And I was thinking about just doing comedy. I'm like, "Oh, my God, how did Ali and all these other women who have done this..."

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:22 And when you're feeling sick and hormonal and you wanna, you wanna get on stage and cry, and you're actually just like, you're... I, I was like that, I don't know how women do it ever, anything, and have other kids that they have to deal with-

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Right, and you're working-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:36 ... when they're feeling sick.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 ... carrying a baby around.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:38 And working.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:40 Yeah, it's, I mean, women are badasses.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 Well, if men just had to-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 If men, if men just had to work carrying a fucking 45-pound backpack.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 You know? I mean, if every, if you had a regular job, right? And now you have to do a regular job with a 45-pound backpack.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:57 Then you would realize, like, "Oh, my God. This is crazy."

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:59 Yeah, it, it makes me realize why, uh, there, it's, in particular just like comedy, that it still is predominantly male, I think still.

Joe Rogan 1:02:09 Well, I think women have a really good shot at it if they're funny because there's not that many of 'em, but...... if they do decide to have a family, then it gets much more complicated.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 Much, much more complicated.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Because you have-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:23 How are you gonna tour? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:24 How are you gonna tour and taking care of the babies? The only, I've, uh, one thing that I've seen people do that's kinda interesting is, like, m- male and female comics get together, and they have a baby, and then they decide, like, "Okay, you go out this weekend."

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:38 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 "I'll go out that week." Like, Tom and Christina do that.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:40 Yeah, that, I remember seeing-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:41 ... Christina up at The Comedy Store right after she had a baby, and she was fricking hilarious. She had, she's like, "I haven't left my house. I'm losing my fucking mind." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:50 I was like... She was like, "I'm fucking losing it."

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Dershow, Derzhovman, she's fucking funny.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:55 I know. I love her. I, I love them both.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Christina Pazsitzky. I love them both, too. I worked with Tom last night.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:59 Uh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 He was on the show with Dave and I.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:00 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 And Donnell and, uh, Jeff Ross. It was, it was amazing. But Christina's one of the best comics alive.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 She-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:06 She's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 And she's so insightful.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:08 She's hilarious on her podcast, too.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Oh, yeah, yeah. No.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:11 I just love them.

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 She's awesome. She's got a, she's got insight. Like, she sees things.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Like, and she points things out. And also, like, she doesn't tolerate any nonsense.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:19 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 She's a no-nonsense person, like, you know, like, people, like, she sends me some hilarious sh- shit, like memes and stuff-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:27 ... or stories in the news. Like, "What the fuck is this?" You know?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 She's, you know, she comes fr- from these old school European parents.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:35 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 You know? It's like-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:35 They're the best. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:36 Yeah, like, hardworking people that just, they raise you like that, and she doesn't, there's no nonsense in her.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:42 I think it makes you a good parent though, too. (laughs) It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 Um, 'cause you're not tolerating as much.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 You know? But...

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:48 I do wanna shout out the very small business that made this sweatshirt for me, Squid Print DGT. They're direct-to-garment printing. I love small businesses, as you know, and I should give them credit because they are amazing.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 Well, I'm on the side of the government, and I'd like all small businesses to fold-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 ... and Target to take over everything.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:05 They're getting crushed by inflation-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:07 ... and the supply. She was talking the other day, it cost her-

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Okay.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:10 ... $10,000 in two months between inflation and the supply stuff and the pandemic and the shutdowns.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Let me ask you, 'cause you probably are aware of this, what the fuck is going on? Like, what is this supply chain problem? Why are there so many boats off the coast of California? 'Cause someone told me it's a half a million cargo ships-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 ... off the coast of California. A friend of mine said-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:29 I'm not sure what the numbers are in the... I know that there was a great thread that I retweeted the other day. A guy went in and was like, "Here's what's actually going on." And I know a lot of it-

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 What did he say?

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:40 Well, one of the biggest problems is the bottleneck is zoning. It's, uh, has something to do with containers, and they can't stack the containers. And, um, I do think-

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 And this is in California.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:50 ... there's a trucking problem as well, part of it being that they did that, you know, the whole PRO Act thi- not PRO Act, I guess it was the AB5, which we've talked about before, when they, that affected truckers as independent contractors.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 Explain AB5 to people, please.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:06 So, it, it was about categorizing independent contractors as workers, basically. So, if you worked a certain number of hours, you needed to be considered, brought on as an employee, and it made it very hard for people to hire anybody, if you are a corporation, because you couldn't hire independent contractors. There, it was such a bad law bill, they had to do carve-outs for basically everyone. They should've just repealed it. It was horrible. It's the one that woman, Lorena González, who was like, "Fuck Elon Musk" on Twitter, and then he left. (laughs) But she's the o- woman-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 What? What are you saying?

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:42 ... sh- uh, this, she's the, like, an assemblywoman in California, and she's behind this bill, AB5.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 She said, "Fuck Elon Musk"?

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:50 Yeah, on Twitter.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 And then she left? What do you mean?

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:52 And then he left. (laughs) I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 He left what?

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:53 ... he's left California with all-

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:55 ... of his business. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Okay, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:57 And so, I mean, I, I guess we know how that worked out. Um, but sh- so she-

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 I doubt he left because of her.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:02 No, I'm kidding.

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 I was confused.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:04 Um, uh, I was just, it was, like, one of those, uh, how, how it w- wh- you know, like, how it's, how it was, uh, how it's been, how it's going.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:11 It's, like, her-

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 How it started, how it's going.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:12 ... and now he's like, "I'm outta here." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:15 And she's-

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 Well, you were, it affected you because of, of writing.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:17 Well, then they did, I think they did another carve-out, but yeah, you, people couldn't hire me because I couldn't 1099. Then they would've had to put me, if you write a certain number of articles. It affected everybody, and hairdressers, people who really needed to be independent contractors. The problem I have with this push against independent contractors, and now PRO Act, which is the federal version of this, which they keep trying to push through, is that people like to be independent contractors. (laughs) They act like they're being forced into this-

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:51 ... this agreement, when many people like to be able to choose when they wanna work or when they wanna drive. So, this was really brought about because of Uber and Lyft, and they were saying that they were abusing them, and they needed to put, bring them on, and Postmates. And obviously, many of these companies do take advantage of the situation. And they do, you know, you will hear from an Uber driver how much they're, they're getting screwed.

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 Yeah. Well, th- th-

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:16 So, I think there needs to be something, but I don't think that me- the whole concept of Uber is that you aren't an employee. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Right. Like, there's, there's certainly room for independent operators in, in, in a host of different jobs. And when you overregulate like that, when you think you're helping people out and you wind up hurting people, they have to change the law.... like, why don't they repeal it?

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:39 I don't know. It, it was the... It started a lot of people. A lot of people I knew left California before the pandemic because of AB5. Single mothers, many people who were affected by it. It affected people who were working, people with disabilities who were able to be independent contractors. I mean, a lot of people have side gigs for that reason, and now, because they can save money for college for their kids or whatever, and they don't, they don't wanna go work for eight hours on... And have to clock in-

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 Yeah, obviously.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:08 ... and it just... It's something-

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 So-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:09 ... that's very infuriating to me.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 So, that is why... So, that, that... Isn't there something that also that has to do with the age of the trucks? Like, didn't they pass a regulation saying that trucks can only be a certain age?

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:19 Oh, I don't know anything about that. I mean, I know it seems to be, like, a confluence of fuckery-

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:24 ... that's causing this. And-

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 But mostly in California.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:27 Mostly in California.

Joe Rogan 1:08:28 'Cause in Florida, they just opened up their ports, and Ron DeSantis was on TV basically saying, "Come on over."

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 "Come on over and open up your ships."

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:36 But, like, what, you're gonna go through the Panama Canal? I mean, I don't even know what that would cost.

Joe Rogan 1:08:39 Well, he wants to change the way people ship, to ship through Florida instead-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:43 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 ... and saying, "Listen, it's, it's available." And then, also, he's also giving $5,000 to every police officer that relocates to Florida.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:53 Yeah, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Isn't that wild? Because they're fu-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:55 I mean, good.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 They're firing all these fucking cops. And he's saying, "Not only will I hire you, but I'll give you $5,000 to relocate to Florida."

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:03 Yeah, signing bonus. And I think he was being misrepresented because they were saying he was like, "Only the unvaccinated," but he was making the offer to anybody in law enforcement, uh, a police officer, not just the unvaccinated ones.

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 Who said that?

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:15 Just on Twitter, they were saying, oh, like, he... There was... He was being misrepresented, obviously, by, like, news organizations. Like, DeSantis, you know, says he will give, like, $5,000 to the unvaccinated police officers, but it's like th-... He'll give it to anybody who wants to come.

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 Right. Well, the... Well, the, the conceit is that most of these people that are getting fired are unvaccinated.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:35 So, the... Back to the shipping. I'm not an expert in this. There's, there's many people who... I... It's shocking, actually, how little, um, information that you can get, but this one guy who just, like, has a business when... Went and rented a boat and, like, talked to people for hours about what the problem was. And within hours of him doing this thread that went viral, um, they had relaxed the zoning laws in Long Beach to help with this bottleneck, which is part of the problem. And... Oh, yes. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 "Yesterday, I rented a boat-

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:10 It's a long thread.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 "... and took the leader of Flex Ports Partners in Long Beach for a three-hour" of the... I guess, a tour, "three-hour tour of the port complex."

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:21 (laughs) A three-hour tour.

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 "Here's a thread about what I learned."

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:25 So, everyone should read that, and it's really fascinating to me.

Joe Rogan 1:10:27 Give me a little bit of it. It says, uh, "First off, the boat captain said we were the first company to ever rent his boat to tour the port to see how everything was working up close. As usual, business as doing the memorial services at sea." He said, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, "The ports of LA and Long Beach are at a standstill. In a full three-hour loop through the port complex, passing every single terminal, we saw less than a dozen containers get unloaded. There are hundreds of cranes. I counted only seven that were, uh, were even operating, and those that were seem to be going pretty slow. It seemed that everyone now agrees the bottleneck yard is yard space at the container terminals. The terminals are simply overflowing with containers, which means they no longer have space to take in new containers, either from ships or land. It's a true traffic jam. Right now, if you have a chassis with no empty container on it, you can..." Uh, by the way, this guy's name is TypesFast on Twitter. His name is Ryan Petersen, and his handle is TypesFast. Uh, "You can go pick up containers at any port terminal. However, if you have an empty container on that chassis, they are not allowing you to return it except on highly... on a highly restricted basis. Uh, if you can't get the empty off the chassis, you don't have a chassis to go pick up the next container, and if nobody goes to pick up the next container, the port remains jammed."

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:50 I mean, it's crazy. He, he goes on and on. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:11:54 What's crazy is that Pete Buttigieg, during this whole time, is on paternity leave.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 And you just wanna go, "Listen, man. I understand it's hard to raise a child, but, um, isn't that supposed to be for the person who gave birth?"

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:06 It's crazy. Yeah, you're right.

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Can men take paternity leave?

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:07 "Now, over 70 ships containing 500,000 containers are waiting offsh-... Shore."

Joe Rogan 1:12:13 500,000.

Jamie Vernon 1:12:13 Yeah, this is a visualization of something.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:13 But he was saying this, like, this negative feedback loop that is rapidly cycling out of control, that if it continues unabated will destroy the global economy. I'm like, "That's a nice one to just slide in there."

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 Okay.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:25 Got it. Fuck. Fuck.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:25 Um, so it's complicated, but I do know s-... The trucking stuff has something to