Joe Rogan Experience #1730 - Cameron Hanes

1. 0:00 – 3:19

   Close encounters with predators: mountain lions, bears, and why the wild feels different

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Did you ... I told you about the mountain lion that Colton and I saw in Utah?

   3. CHCameron Hanes0:17

      No, but I ... You didn't, but I heard-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I didn't?

   5. CHCameron Hanes0:19

      No. I heard you talking to Rinella.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah.

   7. CHCameron Hanes0:23

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Dude.

   9. CHCameron Hanes0:24

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       It was giant.

   11. CHCameron Hanes0:26

       You said it was huge, and you were in the truck.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       It was huge. Oh, my God, I was scared in the truck.

   13. CHCameron Hanes0:30

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It was like a giant pumpkin head.

   15. CHCameron Hanes0:31

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       It was huge. It was, uh, a 170-plus pound cat.

   17. CHCameron Hanes0:35

       Man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Like big, big cat.

   19. CHCameron Hanes0:36

       I've never seen one there-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       (laughs)

   21. CHCameron Hanes0:38

       ... but they're there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       I've only seen a little one, like a 60, 70 pound one running across a street in-

   23. CHCameron Hanes0:43

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       ... Santa Barbara, and then one in Colorado I saw in the woods, like a glimpse.

   25. CHCameron Hanes0:48

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Quick glimpse.

   27. CHCameron Hanes0:49

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       It might even have been a bobcat, honestly, the one in, in Colorado. It was so quick. The one in-

   29. CHCameron Hanes0:55

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... Santa Barbara was definitely a mountain lion 'cause of the tail.
2. 3:19 – 4:55

   A season of elk, meat-sharing culture, and why wild game tastes unbeatable

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      It is. It really is. So you're just back from Colorado?

   2. CHCameron Hanes3:23

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:23

      You've had a wild season, man.

   4. CHCameron Hanes3:24

      Yeah. It's been a-

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:25

      Is this your best season ever? For bow hunting?

   6. CHCameron Hanes3:28

      I don't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:30

      You got plenty of meat, I'll tell you that.

   8. CHCameron Hanes3:31

      Yeah, I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      Giving a lot out to friends, huh?

   10. CHCameron Hanes3:33

       Yeah. No, I'd, um ... It's, it's pretty cool 'cause I take, like, uh ... I have these two coolers at work in the lunchroom, and I just take meat in there and fill up those coolers and say, you know, "Free meat." And people love it there because there's a lot of people who don't hunt, you know, have no interest in hunting, but they love eating elk and, and different things. I always ask where it's from. Um, sausage, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Yeah.

   12. CHCameron Hanes4:02

       ... hamburger. Ha- ... You know, anybody can use hamburger for tacos, uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Yep.

   14. CHCameron Hanes4:06

       ... spaghetti, so yeah, it goes quick. And I, I love giving it out.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       Yeah, hamburger in spaghetti sauce. T- the, uh, ground elk in spaghetti sauce, amazing.

   16. CHCameron Hanes4:16

       Oh, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       So good.

   18. CHCameron Hanes4:17

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       I had some salami made out of, uh, the stuff-

   20. CHCameron Hanes4:20

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       ... that I got in Utah for the first time.

   22. CHCameron Hanes4:22

       Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       It's out there right now, and we have the commercial freezers at the studio.

   24. CHCameron Hanes4:25

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       I haven't, uh, had any of it yet.

   26. CHCameron Hanes4:27

       Oh, it's so good.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       Yeah.

   28. CHCameron Hanes4:29

       Yeah, I, I did, uh ... Oh, pepperoni sticks. Yeah, pepperoni sticks off my Oregon bowl, and Oh, my God, the best pepperoni sticks. You know, normally at the gas station you'll buy pepperoni sticks, and it's just ... They still taste good, and they're just shit meat. Who knows?

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Right.

   30. CHCameron Hanes4:43

       Probably off the floor.
3. 4:55 – 6:56

   Training with a purpose: hunting season as the 'Super Bowl' and the problem of motivation

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:55

      So what, what's been happening with you other than, uh, hunting? You got any wild races you're about to do?

   2. CHCameron Hanes5:00

      (laughs) No, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      Are you laying off those for a while?

   4. CHCameron Hanes5:04

      No.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      No?

   6. CHCameron Hanes5:04

      No, just hunting, you know? I mean, it's, that's all my ... You know, it's ... I don't know. I think what I like, or my whole thing is, and, and you know this well, but I train for one reason, for bow hunting.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:17

      Yeah.

   8. CHCameron Hanes5:17

      And it's like I feel, I feel so lucky to have that purpose because I even ... I ... There's all sorts of advantages to working out and being in shape and being capable and healthy and everything else, but when you have a purpose, like, m- like, I have a purpose, and, and p- other people have different purposes. But if ... I see people in the gym, like guys in the gym, and they're just training, not ... I, I feel not bad, or I don't really know how I feel, but ... 'Cause if the goal is just to be big or ... It just is not the same if ha- as having a purpose.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      Right, right.

   10. CHCameron Hanes5:54

       You know what I mean? So I'm training for one thing, and so that right now-... I'm in... This is pri- this is my Super Bowl, you know what I mean?

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       Right, right.

   12. CHCameron Hanes6:03

       This is-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       Hunting season.

   14. CHCameron Hanes6:04

       All season, this is what it's for. So yeah, I'm just hunting right now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:09

       Yeah, for a lot of fighters, they have a hard time training after they're done competing.

   16. CHCameron Hanes6:13

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       Like a lot of them get fat-

   18. CHCameron Hanes6:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:15

       ... because they're done, and so they don't have-

   20. CHCameron Hanes6:17

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       ... any reason to, to train hard.

   22. CHCameron Hanes6:19

       They lost their purpose, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       Yeah.

   24. CHCameron Hanes6:21

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       But some of them just figure out a new way to fo- like George St-Pierre is in as good a shape as he's ever been in.

   26. CHCameron Hanes6:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Because he's essentially like a lifelong martial artist.

   28. CHCameron Hanes6:30

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       And so his purpose is always to better himself. It's always to be better than he was before. So like when George took all those years off and then came back and fought Michael Bisping-

   30. CHCameron Hanes6:39

       Mm-hmm.
4. 6:56 – 10:08

   UFC 268 preview: a stacked Madison Square Garden card and early predictions

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:56

      So we're headed to the fights this weekend.

   2. CHCameron Hanes6:57

      Oh my God, I can't wait.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      It's... Woo, what a card that is. Jamie, pull up that card because this, uh, UFC card this weekend is bananas. There's, uh, Rose Namajunas versus Zhang Weili, the rematch, which is going to be crazy-

   4. CHCameron Hanes7:11

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:11

      ... because Rose head kicked her early in the first round and KO'd her in their first fight.

   6. CHCameron Hanes7:15

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:15

      And, uh, that lady has the, the weight of China on her back. Like look at this fucking card.

   8. CHCameron Hanes7:22

      I know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:22

      Like pull up the whole card so we can see it because it's crazy.

   10. CHCameron Hanes7:25

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Uh, Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Vera, that's a big fight.

   12. CHCameron Hanes7:30

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Shane Burgos versus Gwillie, uh, Billy Quarantillo.

   14. CHCameron Hanes7:35

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:36

       Quarantillo? I wonder however do you say it. Quarantillo.

   16. CHCameron Hanes7:39

       I don't know. I like him though.

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Yes, tough dude. Good... That's a great fight, and Shane Burgos is a bad motherfucker.

   18. CHCameron Hanes7:44

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:44

       And Justin Gaethje versus Michael Chandler. Holy shit.

   20. CHCameron Hanes7:48

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:49

       And I think that fight opens up the main card.

   22. CHCameron Hanes7:53

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       Yeah, that's the main card first fight, which is nuts.

   24. CHCameron Hanes7:56

       God.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:56

       And then the prelims-

   26. CHCameron Hanes7:57

       That's amazing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Alex Pereira, Cowboy Pereira versus, uh, Andreas Michailidis. Michailidis? Michailidis. Al Iaquinta versus Bobby Green. That's a crazy fight. Chris Curtis versus Philip Hawes, uh, Edmen Shahbazyan. I don't know this dude. Listen to that name. Try saying that. Tr- help me out. You try it.

   28. CHCameron Hanes8:19

       Who, me?

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:20

       Yeah, say that one.

   30. CHCameron Hanes8:21

       I have no idea. I can't do that.
5. 10:08 – 24:23

   Usman vs. Covington deep dive: gas tanks, injuries, coaching changes, and fight psychology

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:08

      That main event is a tough fight.

   2. CHCameron Hanes10:11

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:11

      It is a tough fight to call.

   4. CHCameron Hanes10:12

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Because Usman has looked even better. Since beating Colby-

   6. CHCameron Hanes10:16

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:16

      ... you got to realize he beat Jorge Masvidal twice and Gilbert Burns.

   8. CHCameron Hanes10:21

      Street Judas?

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      Yeah, twice. He beat him once by decision and then fucking flat-lined him in this last fight.

   10. CHCameron Hanes10:28

       Yeah, but Colby would say he's got 20 losses.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Street Judas?

   12. CHCameron Hanes10:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Well, are you speaking for Colby?

   14. CHCameron Hanes10:34

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       And then Colby just ran right through Tyron Woodley. That was a big fight for him.

   16. CHCameron Hanes10:39

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       So that's, uh... That's... I think he's the, the, the hardest challenge for Usman.

   18. CHCameron Hanes10:45

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:45

       Because he's got the longest gas tank. His gas tank is crazy. Colby has excellent wrestling.

   20. CHCameron Hanes10:51

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       And his, his striking volume is insane. Like both of these guys, one of the things they both have is they never fade. Both of these guys never fade.

   22. CHCameron Hanes11:01

       I was impressed with Usman the last fi- last time against Colby.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       I've been impressed with him every fucking fight of his career.

   24. CHCameron Hanes11:07

       But I figured-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       He's a monster.

   26. CHCameron Hanes11:08

       I figured Colby would put the pressure on and he'd, he'd get more gassed, but-

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       No.

   28. CHCameron Hanes11:13

       ... man.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       He doesn't get gassed.

   30. CHCameron Hanes11:14

       He's right there.
6. 24:23 – 32:08

   From fight hype to politics: Trump-era protests, Biden’s decline, and distrust in institutions

   1. CHCameron Hanes24:23

      That's...We were there in 2016, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:26

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CHCameron Hanes24:26

      Isn't that when Conor won his second belt?

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:28

      Yup, yup, when he fought Eua Alvarez.

   5. CHCameron Hanes24:30

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:30

      Yeah.

   7. CHCameron Hanes24:31

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:31

      When he became the champ champ, and he got mad. He goes, "Where the fuck's me other belt?"

   9. CHCameron Hanes24:35

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       "Where the fuck is me belt?"

   11. CHCameron Hanes24:36

       Yeah. And we were-

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:38

       Ah.

   13. CHCameron Hanes24:38

       ... we were down there for the Trump, um, protest.

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       That's right. (laughs)

   15. CHCameron Hanes24:42

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       The day... We were there right after Trump got elected, and-

   17. CHCameron Hanes24:47

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:47

       ... uh, Cam and I went to the gym, and we were leaving the gym, and as we were leaving the gym, a- apparently a fucking protest had broken out, and we're like, "Oh, Jesus, we gotta walk through this." And so we had to walk through this protest, and, uh, I'll, I'll never forget, like, these virtue signaling people-

   19. CHCameron Hanes25:05

       Oh, God.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:05

       ... screaming and chanting.

   21. CHCameron Hanes25:07

       Yeah, yeah. It was, uh, it was entertaining. We were, we were joking, we're like, "This is, I'm sure this is really making a difference."

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       It made no difference.

   23. CHCameron Hanes25:15

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       It's just the, the, that people love to hate things.

   25. CHCameron Hanes25:20

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       I mean, this really goes back to, like, the Colby thing, right? People love to hate things.

   27. CHCameron Hanes25:26

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       And there's also people that love to hate the people that hate, and so that made them more into Trump than ever before.

   29. CHCameron Hanes25:33

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan25:33

       The thing about Trump is, like, more people hate him f- than any president, I think ever, except for Biden. I think right now Biden's coming close.
7. 32:08 – 39:33

   JFK files, the 'magic bullet,' and why secrecy fuels conspiracy thinking

   1. JRJoe Rogan32:08

      Here's what freaked me out, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of people. The Biden sm- administration, the Biden administration blocked the release of the JFK papers.

   2. CHCameron Hanes32:18

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan32:19

      JFK was shot in 1963.

   4. CHCameron Hanes32:21

      How weird is that?

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:23

      They're like, "Nope, people are still alive."

   6. CHCameron Hanes32:25

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:25

      There'd be some people that would be fucked are still alive. What that tells me, the government killed Kennedy.

   8. CHCameron Hanes32:31

      There's some shady shit going on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:32

      That's what that tells me.

   10. CHCameron Hanes32:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:33

       That doesn't tell me that the, the mafia killed Kennedy or the Russians-

   12. CHCameron Hanes32:37

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       ... killed Kennedy or the Cubans killed Kennedy. That tells me the government probably had that motherfucker waxed.

   14. CHCameron Hanes32:43

       They're hiding something.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       Yeah.

   16. CHCameron Hanes32:44

       They're hiding something.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:45

       100%.

   18. CHCameron Hanes32:46

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. It's 58 fucking years ago.

   20. CHCameron Hanes32:53

       Yeah, and still gotta still hide it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:55

       Ah, that, not yet. Not yet.

   22. CHCameron Hanes32:57

       God.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:57

       Not yet. H- hold it.

   24. CHCameron Hanes32:58

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       Wait another 25 years.

   26. CHCameron Hanes33:00

       Unbelievable.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       It's crazy that they could even justify that, that someone could keep historical information that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963.

   28. CHCameron Hanes33:14

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:14

       They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today.

   30. CHCameron Hanes33:19

       Yeah.
8. 39:33 – 45:47

   Fauci, media sponsorship, and censorship: who controls the COVID narrative?

   1. CHCameron Hanes39:33

      I know. I'm sur- I'm surprised Fauci hasn't knocked you off yet.

   2. JRJoe Rogan39:37

      That guy's gotta worry about his own life.

   3. CHCameron Hanes39:38

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan39:39

      The NIH is gonna take him out. Rand Paul was grilling him today.

   5. CHCameron Hanes39:43

      Today?

   6. JRJoe Rogan39:43

      Grilling him today.

   7. CHCameron Hanes39:45

      Good. They should.

   8. JRJoe Rogan39:45

      It was... But you could see him panicking and trying to say, "Under the definitions of what is gain-of-function," and Rand Paul-

   9. CHCameron Hanes39:54

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan39:54

       ... was just grilling him. Y- the NIH-

   11. CHCameron Hanes39:57

       Good.

   12. JRJoe Rogan39:57

       ... themselves has said that, "You're lying." And you can see finally he's nervous.

   13. CHCameron Hanes40:03

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan40:03

       Finally, 'cause he's been arrogant and smug-

   15. CHCameron Hanes40:05

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan40:05

       ... 'cause he felt like he was protected.

   17. CHCameron Hanes40:06

       Making documentaries.

   18. JRJoe Rogan40:07

       Yeah. Well, now he doesn't feel like that anymore. Like today was the first time he looked feeble and nervous.

   19. CHCameron Hanes40:13

       Good.

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:13

       Like while, while Rand Paul... 'Cause he realizes the walls are coming in.

   21. CHCameron Hanes40:16

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:17

       They're closing in.

   23. CHCameron Hanes40:17

       I think so.

   24. JRJoe Rogan40:17

       That motherfucker is probably responsible for millions of people being dead.

   25. CHCameron Hanes40:21

       God.

   26. JRJoe Rogan40:21

       Or at least responsible for the kind of research that could have led-

   27. CHCameron Hanes40:25

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan40:26

       ... to that leak. And if that's where it came from-

   29. CHCameron Hanes40:28

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan40:28

       ... that's responsible for millions of people being dead.
9. 45:47 – 53:56

   Mandates, natural immunity, masks, and the airport reality check

   1. CHCameron Hanes45:47

      Like, and Biden is still pushing that ma- vaccine mandate for m- with em- employees or employers with over 100 people.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:54

      Yeah.

   3. CHCameron Hanes45:54

      You know, and like n- now they have till January 4th. And that, that could be the way I quit my job (laughs) because-

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:00

      Good. Good.

   5. CHCameron Hanes46:00

      ... there's more than-

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:01

      I'm trying to get you to quit your job.

   7. CHCameron Hanes46:02

      ... more than 100 people where I work, and they've been, the general manager there has been pretty good about it. But it's like, they, they say, you know, if OSHA says this or it's a mandate, it's like, man, it's tough.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:15

      Yeah. It's wild. I never thought we'd be in a position where an experimental vaccine would be something that people are forced to take if they want to keep their job-

   9. CHCameron Hanes46:23

      I know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       ... or travel or go to-

   11. CHCameron Hanes46:24

       It's so wrong.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       ... restaurants or go to bars. E- especially when you have natural immunity.

   13. CHCameron Hanes46:30

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       Like there are people that have survived COVID. Look at those antibodies, son. I got fat antibodies.

   15. CHCameron Hanes46:37

       Oh, so you've had... Oh yeah, no, you had it. Of course, you had it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       Yeah, I've had it. So I got-

   17. CHCameron Hanes46:40

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       ... antibodies.

   19. CHCameron Hanes46:42

       I haven't.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       Like my antibodies are better than people's antibodies if they get a vaccine.

   21. CHCameron Hanes46:45

       Yeah.

   22. NANarrator46:46

       I mean-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       And I can't go places. Like we're gonna be in New York City tomorrow.

   24. CHCameron Hanes46:49

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       I can't eat there.

   26. CHCameron Hanes46:50

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:50

       We have to go to Jersey.

   28. CHCameron Hanes46:52

       God.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       Here's the thing, Cam. When you go to Jersey, we're gonna go to Jersey tomorrow for dinner.

   30. CHCameron Hanes46:56

       Yeah.
10. 53:56 – 1:05:26

    Maximizing life: fear of failure, consistency over years, and why people hate the ambitious

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:56

       It is. What people... Look, uncertainty scares a lot of folks.

    2. CHCameron Hanes54:01

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:02

       And they don't like it.

    4. CHCameron Hanes54:03

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:03

       That's why people, like, stay in the same place and they don't take any of, they don't do any adventures, they don't try anything dangerous. They just, like, stay in their lane-

    6. CHCameron Hanes54:13

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:13

       ... they, and they rot away like that.

    8. CHCameron Hanes54:15

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:15

       Because they're just afraid of the risk. And so, because uncertainty makes people scared, when they can find people that will assure them and reassure them-

    10. CHCameron Hanes54:27

        Mm-hmm, yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan54:27

        ... and provide them with a framework and they don't have to do any thinking, they cling onto that. And then they find a bunch of other people who agree with that, and then they reinforce each other. And then they attack anybody-

    12. CHCameron Hanes54:37

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan54:37

        ... who disagrees with that opinion because you're literally attacking their very existence.

    14. CHCameron Hanes54:42

        Yeah. I guess so.

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:44

        ... bunch of bitches.

    16. CHCameron Hanes54:45

        It's a- (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan54:45

        Weak-ass bitches. There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there.

    18. CHCameron Hanes54:48

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:48

        And I'm, I'm becoming less charitable as I've gotten older.

    20. CHCameron Hanes54:51

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:51

        I would've thought I'd been, like... I would've thought as I got older, I would be, like, more, more compassionate to some of these people, but now I'm just like, "Where's the fucking wolves?"

    22. CHCameron Hanes55:00

        Y-

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        We need wolves in the streets, taking these dummies out.

    24. CHCameron Hanes55:03

        Yeah. Y- I mean, you just talked about how people, they don't like the uncertainty. They-

    25. JRJoe Rogan55:08

        Mm-hmm.

    26. CHCameron Hanes55:08

        You know, they, like... Even if it's... I mean, I was... I thought something weird for a second, though. But even, like, uh, you know, they say women who have been abused, the- they stay in that relationship, 'cause maybe-

    27. JRJoe Rogan55:21

        Sometimes, yeah.

    28. CHCameron Hanes55:21

        ... maybe, maybe that's... 'Cause it's, it's a known evil, I guess.

    29. JRJoe Rogan55:26

        Yeah.

    30. CHCameron Hanes55:26

        You know what I mean? So then I was thinking, I saw this clip the other day and, uh, it was this guy says, he says, he asked people if they would take $10 million i- if pe- you know, what you could you do, would... What could you do with $10 million, you know? And people said they could live, you know, uh, a good life for a year or 10 years or however long. And he goes, "Okay, well, what... If I gave you $10 million, but then you wouldn't wake up tomorrow?" And they said, "Well, no. I wouldn't do that." He said, "So that means your life for a day is worth more than $10 million, otherwise you would take it and, you know, you wouldn't wake up tomorrow. So if your life is worth more than $10 million for a day of living, why do you just wake up and just go through the motions? Why aren't you waking up and putting that value on and saying you n- need to make the most of i- and, and you know, appreciating every day you have if it's that valuable to you, if you put it in those terms?"
11. 1:05:26 – 1:18:30

    Bowhunting reality: you can master archery, but not hunting (and the ethics of a quick kill)

    1. CHCameron Hanes1:05:26

       So why is it so hard?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:05:26

       It's, it's hard because these fucking animals have evolved for millions of years.

    3. CHCameron Hanes1:05:32

       Mm-hmm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

       ... to avoid predators.

    5. CHCameron Hanes1:05:33

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:05:34

       You have to play the wind. You have to be fit enough to get to the top of the mountain. You have to be able to execute a good shot under pressure, you know? And the feeling of making a good shot is beyond description. Like it's so hard for us to explain to someone what it's like-

    7. CHCameron Hanes1:05:54

       Mm-hmm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:54

       ... to like center that pin on the vitals, watch that arrow (claps hands) slam in there and know you did it, and watch that animal briefly run off and then tip over and know you gave that thing the quickest death possible. And the, uh, the reason why it has the quickest death possible is 'cause you develop your skills, you develop your accuracy and your ability to, to execute under pressure. And it's fucking hard to do.

    9. CHCameron Hanes1:06:21

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:06:21

        It's really hard to do.

    11. CHCameron Hanes1:06:23

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:06:23

        And you don't get a chance to do it again. You get one shot.

    13. CHCameron Hanes1:06:26

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:06:27

        Just one shot. The animal's there.

    15. CHCameron Hanes1:06:29

        Right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:06:29

        You, you line up the shot and you think about all those thousands and thousands of arrows you shot over the years and this is it. This is the moment.

    17. CHCameron Hanes1:06:38

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:38

        You get one of these.

    19. CHCameron Hanes1:06:40

        It's like, and also, well, I don't think about all those. I mean, uh, 'cause it's, it's subconscious, but here's... I mean, you know what my goal is, to, my goal is to be perfect. But even after 33 years-... who knows how many arrows, there's still that, that crunch time decision-making. So, I had a bull, a bull in Utah this year, came up 10 yards away. He's quartering to me a little bit. I got my 90-pound bow, as we know, and I'm thinking that, that distance, still I did not make the best decision because I thought, "You know what? I can just pound right through that shoulder and I'll get his chest." Didn't happen.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:07:22

        You hit a bone dead on.

    21. CHCameron Hanes1:07:24

        Hit, hit the shoulder dead on. It, it broke his shoulder, and that was debilitating to him, but it wasn't through the lungs, which is what you want for a, a quick death. So, even my decision-making in that crunch time moment where you get one chance wasn't perfect. I screwed up. Luckily, he went out, I get ... got another arrow into him and I had ... did get him killed. But still, even after all this time, all these, you know, I've killed a lot of bulls now. Man, you (sighs) the decision-making, uh, has to be perfect.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:07:58

        And it has to be done on the fly-

    23. CHCameron Hanes1:08:00

        Yeah. Right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:08:01

        ... in this brief moment, this window in time.

    25. CHCameron Hanes1:08:03

        'Cause bulls, bulls come in just screaming.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:08:06

        Yeah, yeah.

    27. CHCameron Hanes1:08:06

        And-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:08:06

        And you gotta figure out what to do.

    29. CHCameron Hanes1:08:08

        Yeah. And that's, that's where I've always said you can master archery. I mean, people, they shoot perfect 300s and people who don't know, I've never even done it, I don't even know anything about target, but I know that they shoot, um, a certain amount o- of arrows and you can get a 300 score and if you hit right on the X, that's the certain amount of Xs, so I think it's 60 arrows, you can get 60 Xs if you're perfect. But anyway, you can master that 'cause people have done that before. You can't master bow hunting.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:08:38

        No.

Episode duration: 3:02:52