Joe Rogan Experience #1730 - Cameron Hanes

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Did you ... I told you about the mountain lion that Colton and I saw in Utah?

Cameron Hanes 0:17 No, but I ... You didn't, but I heard-

Joe Rogan 0:19 I didn't?

Cameron Hanes 0:19 No. I heard you talking to Rinella.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 0:23 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:24 Dude.

Cameron Hanes 0:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:25 It was giant.

Cameron Hanes 0:26 You said it was huge, and you were in the truck.

Joe Rogan 0:28 It was huge. Oh, my God, I was scared in the truck.

Cameron Hanes 0:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 It was like a giant pumpkin head.

Cameron Hanes 0:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:31 It was huge. It was, uh, a 170-plus pound cat.

Cameron Hanes 0:35 Man.

Joe Rogan 0:35 Like big, big cat.

Cameron Hanes 0:36 I've never seen one there-

Joe Rogan 0:38 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 0:38 ... but they're there.

Joe Rogan 0:39 I've only seen a little one, like a 60, 70 pound one running across a street in-

Cameron Hanes 0:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:43 ... Santa Barbara, and then one in Colorado I saw in the woods, like a glimpse.

Cameron Hanes 0:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Quick glimpse.

Cameron Hanes 0:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:50 It might even have been a bobcat, honestly, the one in, in Colorado. It was so quick. The one in-

Cameron Hanes 0:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:55 ... Santa Barbara was definitely a mountain lion 'cause of the tail.

Cameron Hanes 0:57 Tail, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:58 But this one was unmistakable. This was 30 yards away, underneath a tree in, like, at 7:00 PM light, so it was, like, just starting to get dark, but it was... I was looking at him through the binos.

Cameron Hanes 1:11 That was this year?

Joe Rogan 1:12 Yep.

Cameron Hanes 1:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13 I was like, "Oh, my God." We were both freaking out. He was so big.

Cameron Hanes 1:17 He just crouched down there.

Joe Rogan 1:18 Ugh!

Cameron Hanes 1:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19 His head was so huge. It was a big tom, man.

Cameron Hanes 1:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Giant paws. His forearms freaked me out.

Cameron Hanes 1:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:25 The forearms were like my legs, man. It's like big, thick-ass forearms.

Cameron Hanes 1:29 You gotta kill shit.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Oh-ho-ho-ho.

Cameron Hanes 1:32 Yeah. Rough.

Joe Rogan 1:32 Oh, God. Me- meeting one of those fucking things in the woods-

Cameron Hanes 1:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:37 ... would be f- terrifying. It ... After doing that, it makes me want to carry a gun.

Cameron Hanes 1:43 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:43 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:44 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:44 Like, 'cause if you're in a situation like that ... Have you seen that video where that guy had to shoot that cat?

Cameron Hanes 1:49 Yeah, I did.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:50 That was intense.

Joe Rogan 1:51 That's intense.

Cameron Hanes 1:52 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:52 Where he's like, "No, get out of here. Get out of here," and the thing's just looking at him like-

Cameron Hanes 1:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56 "I think I'm gonna eat you."

Cameron Hanes 1:57 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:58 And if he didn't have a gun, what the fuck? I mean-

Cameron Hanes 2:01 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 2:01 ... I don't know if he was bow hunting or what kind of hunting that guy was doing.

Cameron Hanes 2:04 I'm not sure, but-

Joe Rogan 2:05 I-

Cameron Hanes 2:05 ... I saw that clip, though.

Joe Rogan 2:07 He didn't feel comfortable enough to draw his bow, if he did have a bow.

Cameron Hanes 2:10 (laughs) God.

Joe Rogan 2:11 You know?

Cameron Hanes 2:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:12 He'd be shaking and shit, holding it full draw.

Cameron Hanes 2:15 Those things are so strong. I mean ...

Joe Rogan 2:18 (sighs)

Cameron Hanes 2:18 All animals, like, e- even bear.

Joe Rogan 2:20 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 2:21 You know, you, you look at bear forearms.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Oh, they, they're massive.

Cameron Hanes 2:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:24 Well, I remember that video. There's one video of you in Alberta with, uh, that one bear that you shot and as it runs. Like, after the arrow hits it, it runs. You're like, "Whoa."

Cameron Hanes 2:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:36 "I did not know they could run that fast."

Cameron Hanes 2:38 That was seven yards, and it closed that distance in-

Joe Rogan 2:41 A second.

Cameron Hanes 2:42 ... maybe. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:43 It was crazy.

Cameron Hanes 2:44 It was intense.

Joe Rogan 2:45 You don't, you think, 'cause normally they're kind of lumbering, you know? They're like-

Cameron Hanes 2:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:49 ... they're kind of slow. Con-

Cameron Hanes 2:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:51 I guess they're conserving energy.

Cameron Hanes 2:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:54 'Cause when they wanna go-

Cameron Hanes 2:55 When they can explode, they can explode.

Joe Rogan 2:56 It's ... It's weird to watch. It's like-

Cameron Hanes 2:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:59 ... 'cause you don't think something that big can move that fast.

Cameron Hanes 3:02 No. No. They're, they're amazing. But those, those wild animals who, you know ... Especially cats. I mean, they gotta be predators, so they gotta kill with their face, you know, as, as you've talked about, but bear too.

Joe Rogan 3:14 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 3:14 You know what I mean? Incredible.

Joe Rogan 3:17 It's a wild world out there, mister.

Cameron Hanes 3:18 It is.

Joe Rogan 3:19 It is. It really is. So you're just back from Colorado?

Cameron Hanes 3:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:23 You've had a wild season, man.

Cameron Hanes 3:24 Yeah. It's been a-

Joe Rogan 3:25 Is this your best season ever? For bow hunting?

Cameron Hanes 3:28 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 3:30 You got plenty of meat, I'll tell you that.

Cameron Hanes 3:31 Yeah, I-

Joe Rogan 3:32 Giving a lot out to friends, huh?

Cameron Hanes 3:33 Yeah. No, I'd, um ... It's, it's pretty cool 'cause I take, like, uh ... I have these two coolers at work in the lunchroom, and I just take meat in there and fill up those coolers and say, you know, "Free meat." And people love it there because there's a lot of people who don't hunt, you know, have no interest in hunting, but they love eating elk and, and different things. I always ask where it's from. Um, sausage, uh-

Joe Rogan 4:01 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 4:02 ... hamburger. Ha- ... You know, anybody can use hamburger for tacos, uh-

Joe Rogan 4:06 Yep.

Cameron Hanes 4:06 ... spaghetti, so yeah, it goes quick. And I, I love giving it out.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah, hamburger in spaghetti sauce. T- the, uh, ground elk in spaghetti sauce, amazing.

Cameron Hanes 4:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:16 So good.

Cameron Hanes 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:17 I had some salami made out of, uh, the stuff-

Cameron Hanes 4:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:20 ... that I got in Utah for the first time.

Cameron Hanes 4:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:22 It's out there right now, and we have the commercial freezers at the studio.

Cameron Hanes 4:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:26 I haven't, uh, had any of it yet.

Cameron Hanes 4:27 Oh, it's so good.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 4:29 Yeah, I, I did, uh ... Oh, pepperoni sticks. Yeah, pepperoni sticks off my Oregon bowl, and Oh, my God, the best pepperoni sticks. You know, normally at the gas station you'll buy pepperoni sticks, and it's just ... They still taste good, and they're just shit meat. Who knows?

Joe Rogan 4:43 Right.

Cameron Hanes 4:43 Probably off the floor.

Joe Rogan 4:44 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 4:45 But, so you put elk meat, or pepperoni made out of elk meat? Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 4:50 Yeah, it's sensational.

Cameron Hanes 4:51 That's ... It's amazing.

Joe Rogan 4:52 It's the best food in the world, man.

Cameron Hanes 4:54 Yep.

Joe Rogan 4:55 So what, what's been happening with you other than, uh, hunting? You got any wild races you're about to do?

Cameron Hanes 5:00 (laughs) No, uh-

Joe Rogan 5:02 Are you laying off those for a while?

Cameron Hanes 5:04 No.

Joe Rogan 5:04 No?

Cameron Hanes 5:04 No, just hunting, you know? I mean, it's, that's all my ... You know, it's ... I don't know. I think what I like, or my whole thing is, and, and you know this well, but I train for one reason, for bow hunting.

Joe Rogan 5:17 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 5:17 And it's like I feel, I feel so lucky to have that purpose because I even ... I ... There's all sorts of advantages to working out and being in shape and being capable and healthy and everything else, but when you have a purpose, like, m- like, I have a purpose, and, and p- other people have different purposes. But if ... I see people in the gym, like guys in the gym, and they're just training, not ... I, I feel not bad, or I don't really know how I feel, but ... 'Cause if the goal is just to be big or ... It just is not the same if ha- as having a purpose.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Right, right.

Cameron Hanes 5:54 You know what I mean? So I'm training for one thing, and so that right now-... I'm in... This is pri- this is my Super Bowl, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 6:03 Right, right.

Cameron Hanes 6:03 This is-

Joe Rogan 6:04 Hunting season.

Cameron Hanes 6:04 All season, this is what it's for. So yeah, I'm just hunting right now.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Yeah, for a lot of fighters, they have a hard time training after they're done competing.

Cameron Hanes 6:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Like a lot of them get fat-

Cameron Hanes 6:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:15 ... because they're done, and so they don't have-

Cameron Hanes 6:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:17 ... any reason to, to train hard.

Cameron Hanes 6:19 They lost their purpose, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:21 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 6:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:21 But some of them just figure out a new way to fo- like George St-Pierre is in as good a shape as he's ever been in.

Cameron Hanes 6:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:27 Because he's essentially like a lifelong martial artist.

Cameron Hanes 6:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:30 And so his purpose is always to better himself. It's always to be better than he was before. So like when George took all those years off and then came back and fought Michael Bisping-

Cameron Hanes 6:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:39 ... everybody was like, "Is he going to be rusty?" Well, it turns out he's even better than he was before, which is crazy.

Cameron Hanes 6:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:44 That's what he had said-

Cameron Hanes 6:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:45 ... but people always say that, "I am betta than I was beforre," but he actually was better.

Cameron Hanes 6:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:50 He re- actually was.

Cameron Hanes 6:52 Yeah. Well, he looked good against Bisping.

Joe Rogan 6:53 He looked amazing against Bisping.

Cameron Hanes 6:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:56 So we're headed to the fights this weekend.

Cameron Hanes 6:57 Oh my God, I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 6:58 It's... Woo, what a card that is. Jamie, pull up that card because this, uh, UFC card this weekend is bananas. There's, uh, Rose Namajunas versus Zhang Weili, the rematch, which is going to be crazy-

Cameron Hanes 7:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:11 ... because Rose head kicked her early in the first round and KO'd her in their first fight.

Cameron Hanes 7:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:15 And, uh, that lady has the, the weight of China on her back. Like look at this fucking card.

Cameron Hanes 7:22 I know.

Joe Rogan 7:22 Like pull up the whole card so we can see it because it's crazy.

Cameron Hanes 7:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Uh, Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Vera, that's a big fight.

Cameron Hanes 7:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:30 Shane Burgos versus Gwillie, uh, Billy Quarantillo.

Cameron Hanes 7:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:36 Quarantillo? I wonder however do you say it. Quarantillo.

Cameron Hanes 7:39 I don't know. I like him though.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yes, tough dude. Good... That's a great fight, and Shane Burgos is a bad motherfucker.

Cameron Hanes 7:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:44 And Justin Gaethje versus Michael Chandler. Holy shit.

Cameron Hanes 7:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:49 And I think that fight opens up the main card.

Cameron Hanes 7:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:53 Yeah, that's the main card first fight, which is nuts.

Cameron Hanes 7:56 God.

Joe Rogan 7:56 And then the prelims-

Cameron Hanes 7:57 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Alex Pereira, Cowboy Pereira versus, uh, Andreas Michailidis. Michailidis? Michailidis. Al Iaquinta versus Bobby Green. That's a crazy fight. Chris Curtis versus Philip Hawes, uh, Edmen Shahbazyan. I don't know this dude. Listen to that name. Try saying that. Tr- help me out. You try it.

Cameron Hanes 8:19 Who, me?

Joe Rogan 8:20 Yeah, say that one.

Cameron Hanes 8:21 I have no idea. I can't do that.

Joe Rogan 8:23 I haven't done my, uh, research yet. I'll do my research tonight.

Cameron Hanes 8:26 Nast. Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 8:28 Uh, how you say it, Jamie? I go Nasurd, Nasurd... Naserddin. (laughs) Naserddin- Naserddin. ... Naserddin- Naserddin. ... Emaev. Emaev. And then, uh, Ian Garry, Jordan Williams. Is that the end? Is that all the prelims or is there, uh, early prelims? Early prelims. Jean Volante. Scroll all the way up. Chris Barnett. Dustin Jacoby, he's a bad motherfucker. He came from... He was in the UFC for a while and then he went over to Glory, um, and he had quite a few kickboxing fights.

Cameron Hanes 8:59 Hmm. I don't know these guys.

Joe Rogan 9:02 They're good. It's... They're... If you're going to be on this Madison Square Garden card...

Cameron Hanes 9:06 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 9:06 It's a wild card.

Cameron Hanes 9:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:08 They always stack that good. They stack two big cards, well, three big cards every year. One of them is this Madison Square Garden fight. Another one is always the July card.

Cameron Hanes 9:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:19 Like the one that's around, uh, July 4th.

Cameron Hanes 9:21 The fight, what do they call that? The, The Fans Week or whatever?

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah, yeah, the Fan Expo.

Cameron Hanes 9:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:27 The UFC Fan Expo. And then depending upon when they have the card in December, sometimes they have a big New Year's card as well.

Cameron Hanes 9:36 So my, my picks are Chandler, Rose.

Joe Rogan 9:40 Chandler over Gaethje. Interesting.

Cameron Hanes 9:43 Rose.

Joe Rogan 9:43 That's a good fight.

Cameron Hanes 9:44 Colby.

Joe Rogan 9:46 Well, you're friends with Colby.

Cameron Hanes 9:47 Yeah. Uh, who was the other one on the main card?

Joe Rogan 9:51 Um, let's see it again. Well, the, the first one is Chandler versus, uh, Gaethje. And then you got Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Chito Vera.

Cameron Hanes 10:00 Oh, yeah. Right. So I'll... I'm going to go Chandler, Billy, Marlon, Rose, Colby.

Joe Rogan 10:08 That main event is a tough fight.

Cameron Hanes 10:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:11 It is a tough fight to call.

Cameron Hanes 10:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Because Usman has looked even better. Since beating Colby-

Cameron Hanes 10:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:16 ... you got to realize he beat Jorge Masvidal twice and Gilbert Burns.

Cameron Hanes 10:21 Street Judas?

Joe Rogan 10:22 Yeah, twice. He beat him once by decision and then fucking flat-lined him in this last fight.

Cameron Hanes 10:28 Yeah, but Colby would say he's got 20 losses.

Joe Rogan 10:31 Street Judas?

Cameron Hanes 10:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Well, are you speaking for Colby?

Cameron Hanes 10:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:35 And then Colby just ran right through Tyron Woodley. That was a big fight for him.

Cameron Hanes 10:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:40 So that's, uh... That's... I think he's the, the, the hardest challenge for Usman.

Cameron Hanes 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:45 Because he's got the longest gas tank. His gas tank is crazy. Colby has excellent wrestling.

Cameron Hanes 10:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:51 And his, his striking volume is insane. Like both of these guys, one of the things they both have is they never fade. Both of these guys never fade.

Cameron Hanes 11:01 I was impressed with Usman the last fi- last time against Colby.

Joe Rogan 11:05 I've been impressed with him every fucking fight of his career.

Cameron Hanes 11:07 But I figured-

Joe Rogan 11:07 He's a monster.

Cameron Hanes 11:08 I figured Colby would put the pressure on and he'd, he'd get more gassed, but-

Joe Rogan 11:13 No.

Cameron Hanes 11:13 ... man.

Joe Rogan 11:13 He doesn't get gassed.

Cameron Hanes 11:14 He's right there.

Joe Rogan 11:15 He's got amazing endurance. His, his mind is bulletproof. That dude is, uh... has serious knee problems.

Cameron Hanes 11:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:21 And you never hear a thing about it. Like he can't run.

Cameron Hanes 11:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:24 His knees are destroyed.

Cameron Hanes 11:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:26 He actually had, um... They do this particular type... He talked about it on the podcast. There's a particular type of procedure they do where they, uh, fracture-

Cameron Hanes 11:34 The microblade.

Joe Rogan 11:35 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 11:35 Or microfracture.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 11:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:38 They do it in the cartilage to try to make the cartilage regrow and it didn't work.

Cameron Hanes 11:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 11:41 It had the opposite effect. It fucked his knees up worse.

Cameron Hanes 11:43 I saw him come... The... I was watching the Embedded, like everybody does, and I saw him coming down the stairs of a plane.

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 11:50 And like, he looked, like coming back gingerly.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 11:53 You know, like painful.

Joe Rogan 11:54 It hurts.

Cameron Hanes 11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 11:55 Looks like me coming downstairs in the morning.

Joe Rogan 11:57 Yeah. But the thing is, when he fights, he ignores it.

Cameron Hanes 12:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:00 He ignores all that shit. And he openly said, he said, "Listen, I know I'm going to get my knees replaced when I'm done fighting."

Cameron Hanes 12:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:06 He goes, "So for now, I just go hard."

Cameron Hanes 12:08 I think he's, like... Now he... I saw him talking about fighting Canelo.

Joe Rogan 12:13 That's interesting. That's kind... Uh, uh, uh, (sighs) I-

Cameron Hanes 12:18 That was today.

Joe Rogan 12:19 I get that he would want to do that for the money, but if, if an MMA fighter wants to fight Canelo, really they should say, "Come over to MMA, bitch."

Cameron Hanes 12:27 Yeah. (laughs) You know, that's what they should say. I mean, straight boxing against Canelo? It's tough.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Yeah. Well, Canelo's fighting at the same night.

Cameron Hanes 12:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:34 He's fighting Caleb Plant, which is one of the more interesting fights that's available for Canelo, other than the Triple G rematch, the rubber match with Triple G.

Cameron Hanes 12:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:44 I think, um, this Caleb Plant character is slick.

Cameron Hanes 12:47 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:47 He's a very good boxer.

Cameron Hanes 12:49 Does he have a chance?

Joe Rogan 12:49 He's got a chance.

Cameron Hanes 12:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:50 I mean, uh, for sure, Canelo's the favorite.

Cameron Hanes 12:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Because if you look at his resume, Canelo has a much better resume, in terms-

Cameron Hanes 12:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:57 ... of, like, the guys he's beaten. That's where it matters, right? 'Cause Caleb Plant is super skillful and he's, uh, a legit world champion. But he has not faced the level of opposition that Canelo has faced.

Cameron Hanes 13:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:13 Doesn't mean he can't win.

Cameron Hanes 13:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:14 But, you know, Billy Joe Saunders also looked like a world beater before he fought Canelo.

Cameron Hanes 13:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:19 And then Canelo crushed his face.

Cameron Hanes 13:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:22 I mean, he probably, probably retired him.

Cameron Hanes 13:25 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:26 I mean, did you ever see the pictures of Billy Joe Saunders' face?

Cameron Hanes 13:28 No.

Joe Rogan 13:29 When they... Oh my God.

Cameron Hanes 13:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:30 When they talk about-

Cameron Hanes 13:32 I bet.

Joe Rogan 13:32 They showed a- an image of his skull, or a skull-

Cameron Hanes 13:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:36 ... and all the areas that were repaired on his face. And there's this plate here, plate here.

Cameron Hanes 13:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 13:42 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 13:42 After the fight?

Joe Rogan 13:43 His orbital was shattered.

Cameron Hanes 13:44 Oh my.

Joe Rogan 13:45 His cheekbones were shattered. I think, uh, the way the cheekbone connects to the upper jaw was cracked.

Cameron Hanes 13:51 Mm-hmm. Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:52 One part... Look at that, look at that.

Cameron Hanes 13:54 God.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Look at all that shit. Isn't that crazy?

Cameron Hanes 13:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:57 So the orbital, see that stuff in the back of his eye?

Cameron Hanes 14:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:00 The bone that's, like, the shelf that holds the eyeball in got crushed.

Cameron Hanes 14:04 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 14:05 So they have to go in and they put all these plates underneath where the eyeball sits, and then on the outside, on the upper left side of the eyeball, that's cracked, the lower side's cracked.

Cameron Hanes 14:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 14:18 And then look how the cheekbone's cracked all the way down to the upper jaw.

Cameron Hanes 14:21 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 14:22 And then the upper jaw on the... where the hinge is, is cracked.

Cameron Hanes 14:26 God.

Joe Rogan 14:26 I mean, his whole face got fucking caved in.

Cameron Hanes 14:29 God, and that's what those big boxing gloves can do.

Joe Rogan 14:31 It's crazy.

Cameron Hanes 14:31 I mean, how amazing is that? That's power.

Joe Rogan 14:34 He's, uh, it was also perfect timing.

Cameron Hanes 14:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:37 'Cause Canelo has ridiculous power, but hi- his, his timing was per-

Cameron Hanes 14:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:41 He caught Billy Joe leaning down.

Cameron Hanes 14:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:43 And he, he uppercutted him as he was leaning down. So it was the force of the lean down, along with the force of the uppercut, and his face just exploded.

Cameron Hanes 14:51 Did that end the fight?

Joe Rogan 14:52 Yeah, that ended the fight.

Cameron Hanes 14:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:54 They stopped it in between rounds. He knew something was se- severely wrong with his face.

Cameron Hanes 14:59 Yeah, his skull was in tatters.

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 15:02 God.

Joe Rogan 15:03 Yeah, it's, whoa, crazy fucking sport, man. And Canelo-

Cameron Hanes 15:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:07 We... The, the thing about Canelo that's so interesting to me is that Canelo's a big puncher, but he's also really skillful defensively.

Cameron Hanes 15:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:17 That's usually not the case. Usually those big punchers, they kind of wade in and they throw bombs.

Cameron Hanes 15:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:23 And they're, they're so... They're concentrating so hard on connecting with a big shot that they don't have, like, the sort of defensive skills-

Cameron Hanes 15:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:32 ... that, like, a Floyd Mayweather has.

Cameron Hanes 15:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:33 Who was the best defensive fighter ever, in my opinion.

Cameron Hanes 15:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 But when he fought Floyd, I think he had such a hard time hitting Floyd that he realized, like, "Oh, I gotta develop these kinda skills."

Cameron Hanes 15:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:44 And then if you see Canelo, like when he fought Danny Jacobs, and he's fought... In the second fight with Triple G too, like, he developed these kinda defensive skills-

Cameron Hanes 15:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:52 ... that he never had before.

Cameron Hanes 15:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:54 And they keep getting better. So now he's like one of the best defensive fighters in the world, and also-

Cameron Hanes 15:59 Crazy power.

Joe Rogan 15:59 ... one of the best offensive fighters in the world.

Cameron Hanes 16:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:01 It's amazing.

Cameron Hanes 16:03 Yeah. The reason why I brought that up is 'cause Kamaru's definitely talking about he just wants a big f- money fights now.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 16:10 So-

Joe Rogan 16:11 I get that. Well, he's probably g- like, a year away from a knee replacement.

Cameron Hanes 16:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:16 I mean-

Cameron Hanes 16:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:16 ... if you watched him walking down the stairs like that, his-

Cameron Hanes 16:18 I know.

Joe Rogan 16:18 Michael Bisping had both his knees replaced once he retired.

Cameron Hanes 16:21 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, and, and-

Joe Rogan 16:23 The same shit.

Cameron Hanes 16:24 And his eye re- Well, his eye is not replaced, but it's fake.

Joe Rogan 16:27 Yeah, he has a... Well, he has a, like, a contact that he puts in that makes it look-

Cameron Hanes 16:31 Yeah, looks good.

Joe Rogan 16:32 Yeah, yeah.

Cameron Hanes 16:32 But I've seen him pop it out.

Joe Rogan 16:34 I have too. It's incredible, it's gnarly.

Cameron Hanes 16:37 Yeah. I mean... Yeah, so, I mean, my point was, if Kamaru starts... I was wondering if he's thinking about, like, the money. So you, you, you know that... What's the saying? Is the wolf climbing the hill is always hungrier than the wolf on top of the hill?

Joe Rogan 16:51 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 16:51 Something like that. So, I mean, you know, Colby's still trying to get up there. Kamaru's been up there. Do you lose that hunger a little bit?

Joe Rogan 17:00 I don't think so. I don't think so. Not with that guy.

Cameron Hanes 17:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:03 I think at the championship level, like, the true champions... And I think Kamaru is, like, a champion of champions.

Cameron Hanes 17:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:09 I think, I think he's in this all-time great category. Like, r- like, let's imagine this fight is not taking place right now and you're not comparing him with Colby. You just look at what he's done so far and his skill level, I think you got a real argument that he is, right now, the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport.

Cameron Hanes 17:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:28 If you look at what his accomplishments are, one loss ever in his entire mixed martial arts career, has run through everyone in his division.

Cameron Hanes 17:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:37 Including winning the title over a dominant Tyron Woodley, five-round rout, just destroyed him. Has beat, uh... Beat him pillar to post every round.

Cameron Hanes 17:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:45 And then you look at his fights with, um, Masvidal. You look at his fights with Colby, you look at his fight with Gilbert Burns. Gil Burns is a dangerous man.

Cameron Hanes 17:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:54 And he put him away. And Gilbert hurt him. He hurt him in the first round.

Cameron Hanes 17:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Kamaru recovered and smashed him. Knocked out, uh, Masvidal with one punch in his, in the second fight.

Cameron Hanes 18:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:05 He has a real argument that he's the best guy in the sport.

Cameron Hanes 18:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:08 But if you wanted to see him challenged-... you would want a guy who's got killer wrestling, that's Colby. Amazing gas tank, that's Colby. Unstoppable mentality, that's Colby.

Cameron Hanes 18:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:20 And a guy who's been in there with him and knows what adjustments to make.

Cameron Hanes 18:24 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:24 You know, I think, y- you know, when Masvidal took that first fight, he took the first fight on short notice.

Cameron Hanes 18:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 And he-

Cameron Hanes 18:32 Six days.

Joe Rogan 18:32 ... he had some good moments in the fight-

Cameron Hanes 18:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:34 ... but ultimately, he fell prey to Usman's conditioning and all. And, and Usman had said the reason why he was willing to fight me then was 'cause he had a built-in excuse.

Cameron Hanes 18:44 Yeah. I, I saw that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:44 Which is interesting-

Cameron Hanes 18:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:45 ... 'cause that would've fucked with a man's head.

Cameron Hanes 18:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:47 You can call him a journeyman and he, you know-

Cameron Hanes 18:50 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:50 Fu-... That fucks with a guy's head. Like-

Cameron Hanes 18:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:52 ... the difference in the accomplishments of the two are very different.

Cameron Hanes 18:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:54 Like, Masvidal obviously has that giant Ben Askren knockout, and he beat up Nate Diaz in that fight.

Cameron Hanes 19:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:00 And Masvidal's a bad motherfucker, and a very clever fighter. He's one of my favorite guys to watch fight-

Cameron Hanes 19:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:06 ... 'cause he's so intelligent. But Usman just demolished him in that second fight.

Cameron Hanes 19:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:11 Demolished him.

Cameron Hanes 19:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:12 That's what separates-

Cameron Hanes 19:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:13 ... like, very good fighters from all-time greats.

Cameron Hanes 19:16 And he had a full camp that time.

Joe Rogan 19:18 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 19:18 Masvidal did.

Joe Rogan 19:20 Didn't help.

Cameron Hanes 19:21 No.

Joe Rogan 19:21 It actually D- helped him less. Like, he was better in the... But I think Usman's better th- than he was before. I think he's, he continues to get better. And he's training with Trevor Whitman. Like, he, he moved camps. You know, he used to be down in South Florida-

Cameron Hanes 19:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 ... and then he made his way-

Cameron Hanes 19:38 Henry LaRue.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Yeah. He, it was w- it was originally the Blackzilians, then it was Stanford's, but he's now with Trevor Whitman, who's a, like a real striking genius.

Cameron Hanes 19:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:48 You know, Trevor Whitman is a brilliant guy.

Cameron Hanes 19:50 Yeah. I always, I- I've always loved what he's done. I mean, 'cause with Gaethje and with Rose-

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 19:54 ... it's like, man.

Joe Rogan 19:55 He's got three fighters in the main card.

Cameron Hanes 19:57 That's incredible.

Joe Rogan 19:57 That's pretty crazy. That shows you how good Trevor Whitman is.

Cameron Hanes 20:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:00 He also makes the best gloves in the business.

Cameron Hanes 20:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:03 His gloves are fucking fantastic.

Cameron Hanes 20:05 Yeah. You've been lobbying for those-

Joe Rogan 20:07 Oh my God, they're so good.

Cameron Hanes 20:08 ... for the UFC to use those.

Joe Rogan 20:08 Well, not just his glo-... His boxing gloves, I, I use his gloves to hit the bag.

Cameron Hanes 20:13 Mm.

Joe Rogan 20:13 He makes the best shin pads. He makes the best equipment. Like, i- it's crazy that you got a coach who is also designing equipment.

Cameron Hanes 20:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:21 And he was explaining to me that the foam that they use, the foam that most people use is not th- the best foam.

Cameron Hanes 20:28 Mm.

Joe Rogan 20:28 It's like the best cost-effective foam.

Cameron Hanes 20:30 Oh.

Joe Rogan 20:31 So he uses like the best, top-of-the-food-chain, space-age-

Cameron Hanes 20:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:36 ... -technology foam. And like you really feel the difference when you, like, hit things with his gloves. Like, it's better protection for your hands.

Cameron Hanes 20:43 Hmm. Oh. Yeah. I know. I've, I've seen, I've watched some stuff on him, and, uh, I'm a fan definitely.

Joe Rogan 20:49 He's a wizard.

Cameron Hanes 20:50 I'm a, I'm a fan.

Joe Rogan 20:51 He's a fun guy too.

Cameron Hanes 20:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:52 And they have a good r- he has a good relationship, a good rapport with his, uh, his students, you know, which is so important-

Cameron Hanes 20:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:59 ... 'cause he's a, he's a good guy to get along with, you know. He's a fun guy. And so like watching him coach these people and seeing, like, three top-flight fighters-

Cameron Hanes 21:09 It's incredible.

Joe Rogan 21:09 ... on the same card.

Cameron Hanes 21:10 It's incredible. I'm, I'm pretty intrigued too with the coaching changes for Usman and Colby. They both changed camps.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah. So what happened with Colby? You're friends with Colby.

Cameron Hanes 21:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:20 He... What was, uh, what led him to switch camps? 'Cause he was with ATT forever.

Cameron Hanes 21:25 It seemed like... I mean, I don't know. It seemed like there was a bunch of drama down there, you know, 'cause I think Poirier's down there. And, and, uh, I don't know. It seemed like he's... He said that, or from what I'm seeing on interviews, um, you know, there was drama going into training and-

Joe Rogan 21:41 Oh.

Cameron Hanes 21:41 ... and he just wanted to get away from that and-

Joe Rogan 21:43 Didn't want to deal with it?

Cameron Hanes 21:44 Yeah. And it, it's a, that's a big organization down there basically. It's a lot of fighters. And so then he switched to this, I think it's MMA Masters, and-

Joe Rogan 21:52 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 21:52 ... you know, small gym. They give him the full attention. So-

Joe Rogan 21:56 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 21:57 ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 21:58 Well, he brings the drama. He shouldn't be shocked-

Cameron Hanes 22:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:01 ... I mean, who the fuck causes more drama than Colby?

Cameron Hanes 22:04 I know, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:05 Still though-

Cameron Hanes 22:05 Good stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:05 ... that's how he's so popular. It's, it's both things, right?

Cameron Hanes 22:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Which is rare. Like, he has incredible skill level. He's a- as tough as they come. And he talks a lot of shit.

Cameron Hanes 22:16 Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Joe Rogan 22:18 And most people don't know that he got forced into talking shit.

Cameron Hanes 22:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Like the UFC was about to cut him. They didn't like his style, they told him.

Cameron Hanes 22:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:25 And so then he fought Demian Maia in Brazil, and then called him a bunch of filthy animals and-

Cameron Hanes 22:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:30 ... you know, and said a bunch-

Cameron Hanes 22:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... of crazy shit.

Cameron Hanes 22:31 Places that don't... Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 They went crazy.

Cameron Hanes 22:34 They took exception to that.

Joe Rogan 22:35 He went pro wrestling heel.

Cameron Hanes 22:37 Yeah. The king.

Joe Rogan 22:38 And it changed his-

Cameron Hanes 22:39 It worked.

Joe Rogan 22:39 It changed his tr- trajectory of his career. What people don't know about Colby, what you know about Colby, is when you're with him in person, super nice guy.

Cameron Hanes 22:48 Oh, he's actually soft-spoken.

Joe Rogan 22:49 He's a great guy.

Cameron Hanes 22:50 Yeah, but he's, he's had dinner at the house. We had elk, and, uh, just polite, soft-spoken.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 22:57 My wife and daughter, everybody's there, just being as nice as can be.

Joe Rogan 23:00 He's a gentleman.

Cameron Hanes 23:01 That's, that's who he is.

Joe Rogan 23:02 That's the real guy.

Cameron Hanes 23:02 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 23:03 This other thing is like a character that he does-

Cameron Hanes 23:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:06 ... which is so fascinating.

Cameron Hanes 23:08 It works. I mean, I watched an interview him and DC just did just a couple of days ago, and, uh, and I mean, DC gave him every opportunity. He's like, "Do you ever get tired? Do you ever sit at home and say, 'I w- you know, could, could give it a rest and just be?" And he's just like, "No."

Joe Rogan 23:26 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 23:26 He's like, uh, y- I'm always... He's something like, he's always on. Then he's like, you know, DC said, "Do you respect Usman, you know, um, like as, as a fighter?" He's like, "No."

Joe Rogan 23:37 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 23:37 (laughs) So he w- he wouldn't even... I mean, he's sticking to the script.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Yeah. Well, he's got that pro wrestling heel character down. And if he ever decides to leave the UFC and go to pro wrestling, he would have a giant career in pro wrestling-

Cameron Hanes 23:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:51 ... if he wanted to.

Cameron Hanes 23:53 Probably.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Oh my God, if he, if he decided, if he fought, you know, let's say, you know, whatever happens with his career, but like five years from now-

Cameron Hanes 24:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:01 ... if he decides to go to pro wrestling, my God, will that guy have a fucking career over there.

Cameron Hanes 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 He's talked so much shit.

Cameron Hanes 24:08 Oh, I know. It's good. I can't wait.

Joe Rogan 24:10 Yeah. It's gonna be an amazing fight. There's something about fights in Madison Square Garden too, because that place is the most iconic arena i- on Earth.

Cameron Hanes 24:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:20 You know?

Cameron Hanes 24:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:21 It really is. There's no place like it.

Cameron Hanes 24:23 That's...We were there in 2016, right?

Joe Rogan 24:26 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 24:26 Isn't that when Conor won his second belt?

Joe Rogan 24:28 Yup, yup, when he fought Eua Alvarez.

Cameron Hanes 24:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:30 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 24:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:31 When he became the champ champ, and he got mad. He goes, "Where the fuck's me other belt?"

Cameron Hanes 24:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:35 "Where the fuck is me belt?"

Cameron Hanes 24:36 Yeah. And we were-

Joe Rogan 24:38 Ah.

Cameron Hanes 24:38 ... we were down there for the Trump, um, protest.

Joe Rogan 24:42 That's right. (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 24:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:43 The day... We were there right after Trump got elected, and-

Cameron Hanes 24:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:47 ... uh, Cam and I went to the gym, and we were leaving the gym, and as we were leaving the gym, a- apparently a fucking protest had broken out, and we're like, "Oh, Jesus, we gotta walk through this." And so we had to walk through this protest, and, uh, I'll, I'll never forget, like, these virtue signaling people-

Cameron Hanes 25:05 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 25:05 ... screaming and chanting.

Cameron Hanes 25:07 Yeah, yeah. It was, uh, it was entertaining. We were, we were joking, we're like, "This is, I'm sure this is really making a difference."

Joe Rogan 25:14 It made no difference.

Cameron Hanes 25:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:16 It's just the, the, that people love to hate things.

Cameron Hanes 25:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:21 I mean, this really goes back to, like, the Colby thing, right? People love to hate things.

Cameron Hanes 25:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:26 And there's also people that love to hate the people that hate, and so that made them more into Trump than ever before.

Cameron Hanes 25:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:33 The thing about Trump is, like, more people hate him f- than any president, I think ever, except for Biden. I think right now Biden's coming close.

Cameron Hanes 25:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:42 He's pulling in strong, but they-

Cameron Hanes 25:43 For different reasons, though.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Yeah, they more feel bad 'cause he shits his pants and stuff, allegedly.

Cameron Hanes 25:48 (laughs) Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Allegedly. That's what I heard. But I mean-

Cameron Hanes 25:51 I know.

Joe Rogan 25:51 ... he's clearly got dementia. There's... I mean, I'm going out on a limb. People are like, "Who the fuck are you, a doctor?"

Cameron Hanes 25:56 No.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Like, they-

Cameron Hanes 25:56 Listen to him speak.

Joe Rogan 25:57 Yeah. There's something-

Cameron Hanes 25:57 It's a train wreck every time.

Joe Rogan 25:59 Something really wrong, and it's sad, and it's not fair. It's not fair to him. It's not fair to the country. It's wrong, and it's, it's causing people to lose faith in the Democratic Party, like, for sure.

Cameron Hanes 26:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:10 The, the, the Democrat Party is in real trouble with that guy at the helm. It's not, it's not right.

Cameron Hanes 26:16 But they hated Trump-

Joe Rogan 26:17 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 26:18 ... so much, they would take that over Trump.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Yeah. They took that over Trump.

Cameron Hanes 26:21 That, originally, they didn't... I don't think they thought it was gonna be this bad, though.

Joe Rogan 26:24 They tried to pretend it wasn't, and they got mad at me, because when I said that I'm not a, a Trump supporter, I said, "But I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden." People are like, "Oh, Joe Rogan's a Trumper. He's a Trumper."

Cameron Hanes 26:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:35 I go, "That's not what I said." What I said is I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden because Biden is in a process of obvious decay.

Cameron Hanes 26:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:42 And if you fucking people can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. You're all a bunch of partisan weirdos who won't, won't look at things for what they really are, because if you say it, then people will get mad at you. I'm not worried about saying things that people are gonna get mad at.

Cameron Hanes 26:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:55 So, I'm just gonna tell you what's going on. That guy's dying.

Cameron Hanes 26:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:58 He's a fading candle.

Cameron Hanes 26:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:00 And you fucking idiots are counting on him to illuminate the way, and it's not gonna work.

Cameron Hanes 27:04 God.

Joe Rogan 27:04 It's not gonna work.

Cameron Hanes 27:05 And I mean, he's representing us at, like... Where was he, just in, uh... Where was that?

Joe Rogan 27:09 Yeah, the climate summit.

Cameron Hanes 27:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:11 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 27:11 I mean-

Joe Rogan 27:11 And he fell asleep.

Cameron Hanes 27:13 He's falling asleep? I mean, so you're just like, "Wait, I thought this was important, the most important challenge we're facing as a-"

Joe Rogan 27:18 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 27:18 "... as a world, and it's so important, you're falling asleep?"

Joe Rogan 27:23 (sighs)

Cameron Hanes 27:23 As you're s- as they're speaking about it? It's like, "What is going on?"

Joe Rogan 27:27 It's not good. And then an aide had to come over and wake him up. You see that?

Cameron Hanes 27:31 No.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Somebody noticed like, "Oh, Biden's asleep." Shit. The guy runs o-... You never seen it?

Cameron Hanes 27:36 No.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Watch. The guy comes running over to him and just like, "Mr. Biden, Mr. Biden." And he waited.

Cameron Hanes 27:41 Mm-hmm. No, but it, it's every time he's featured on something, it's a train wreck.

Joe Rogan 27:47 By the way, I would fall asleep at that shit too.

Cameron Hanes 27:49 Yeah, but-

Joe Rogan 27:50 Like, what are you, what are you, what are they doing? Like, why does everybody have to meet in person to talk about climate change? Like, what is the whole purpose of that? Meanwhile, Russia and China was like, "Eh, you go ahead."

Cameron Hanes 28:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:00 "Look at them. They're out fucking cold." That would be me too, right next to him.

Cameron Hanes 28:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:05 I'd be snoring.

Cameron Hanes 28:06 Yeah, what about the, the lady right in front? She's asleep too.

Joe Rogan 28:09 Yup. She's, she's nodding now too. See the guy's going-

Cameron Hanes 28:12 Looking...

Joe Rogan 28:12 ... "What? What happened?"

Cameron Hanes 28:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 "I've got my pen. Let me hold my pen."

Cameron Hanes 28:15 (laughs) Like-

Joe Rogan 28:16 Huh? "What happened? I fell asleep? I just shit my pants."

Cameron Hanes 28:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:21 Like, "What?" Okay.

Cameron Hanes 28:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 28:22 Pay att- he's like, "Pay attention."

Cameron Hanes 28:24 Okay, yeah, clap.

Joe Rogan 28:24 "Uh, time to clap. Clap." He has no idea what he's clapping about.

Cameron Hanes 28:26 God.

Joe Rogan 28:27 He's rubbing his eyes.

Cameron Hanes 28:28 Oh, my-

Joe Rogan 28:28 I mean, it's not fair. The guy's 78 years old, and he's also had major brain surgery. He's had aneurysms.

Cameron Hanes 28:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:36 Like, serious aneurysms that would've killed a lot of people. He had a widow maker. It was, like, one of those things where most of the people that have it don't survive.

Cameron Hanes 28:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:46 They have to take the top of your skull off and then operate and then sew that bitch back on.

Cameron Hanes 28:51 (sighs) Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 28:51 What?

Cameron Hanes 28:53 But a- I wouldn't... I mean, whatever, but he's our president.

Joe Rogan 28:56 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 28:57 It's-

Joe Rogan 28:57 It's not right.

Cameron Hanes 28:57 ... terrible.

Joe Rogan 28:58 Well, it just shows you what's really going on. I mean, you need to know it's, it's wha- in one way, it's transparent, because we've all wondered, like, how much say does the president actually have?

Cameron Hanes 29:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Like, what is, how many people are really pulling the strings behind the scenes?

Cameron Hanes 29:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:11 Well, now you get to see. Like, there's... it's clear-

Cameron Hanes 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 ... there's no way this guy is on the ball, in charge of everything.

Cameron Hanes 29:19 No, but, so I, I thought you were gonna say like, "How much, uh, sway does the president have?" It seems like quite a bit, because you see the way the direct- the direction of the Democratic Party's going. It's like-

Joe Rogan 29:30 I think that's the cabinet. I think that's all the people around him. It's Kamala Harris. It's all the other people. It's Nancy Pelosi.

Cameron Hanes 29:36 Right. Well, I know.

Joe Rogan 29:37 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 29:38 But he's got a big part of that, you know.

Joe Rogan 29:40 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 29:40 But it seems like it's just a free for right now.

Joe Rogan 29:42 It's not good.

Cameron Hanes 29:43 They can't get their, their infrastructure bi-... Or what was the big trillion dollar...

Joe Rogan 29:47 The Build Back Better Bill.

Cameron Hanes 29:49 Yeah. They can't-

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah, but that shit's all bait and switch. Like, here's the thing they did with that. They were like, "We're gonna make sure the people have paid leave, paid paternity leave." And they, like, let you know. Like, this, "We're gonna put this in there."

Cameron Hanes 30:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:01 "We're gonna put all this," and then-

Cameron Hanes 30:02 So free shit for everybody.

Joe Rogan 30:03 But then it all goes away.

Cameron Hanes 30:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:04 By the time the bill gets signed, all that stuff's gone. And it's like-

Cameron Hanes 30:07 Yeah, but they can't get anything through.

Joe Rogan 30:08 Right. They can't get anything through. I don't think they wanted to get that through. I don't... I think with a lot of those things, they propose them so that all the progressive feels- feel really good.

Cameron Hanes 30:16 Oh, maybe.

Joe Rogan 30:16 And then once they get it into place, then the big corporate b- y- you know, machine behind it, like, "Hey, fuck face."

Cameron Hanes 30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:21 "You're not passing any of that, right?"

Cameron Hanes 30:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Like, "No, no, no, no, this is nonsense."

Cameron Hanes 30:25 (laughs) ... uh...

Joe Rogan 30:26 You ever see how big the bill is? It's like, this-

Cameron Hanes 30:28 Yeah. Oh.

Joe Rogan 30:28 ... it's like, there's no way anyone's reading it.

Cameron Hanes 30:29 No.

Joe Rogan 30:31 One of the Republicans, a Republican senator held it up, and he was like, saying like, "Do you think Joe Biden's read this?"

Cameron Hanes 30:36 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 30:37 "Do you, do you think Nancy Pelosi's read this?" They're not, they haven't read this.

Cameron Hanes 30:40 Don't you... I mean, politics.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Gross.

Cameron Hanes 30:42 It's just exhausting.

Joe Rogan 30:43 It's gross.

Cameron Hanes 30:44 It's, yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:44 It's the grossest thing in the world, other than murder and rape.

Cameron Hanes 30:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:48 It's the grossest thing in the world, right? Other than like... Yeah, other than those things, and war.

Cameron Hanes 30:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:55 It's the grossest thing in the world.

Cameron Hanes 30:57 Yeah. I don't know. I just, it's, uh, is so corrupt and so dirty and, and I don't even know. 'Cause I saw this headline today about... Because of all that, that happened in Virginia and all the, the results there recently. And they're saying, you know, the Democrats are, uh, I don't know, panicking or something like that, based on those results.

Joe Rogan 31:18 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 31:18 And it's like, they're panicking because they're, they... The thought of losing power. And to me that seemed... I mean, do we care about the country?

Joe Rogan 31:29 Right, exactly. We're not thinking about that.

Cameron Hanes 31:30 Or do we just c- care about power?

Joe Rogan 31:32 Right. We're thinking about parties winning. Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 We're not thinking about the country. Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 31:35 So it's like, w- why, why is that bad? If it's good for the country, it seems like, "Okay. Well, hey, we can get better, we can do this, we can do that." You know, "We lost for this reason, this, we need to step up here." It's like, no, that's not it. They're panicking 'cause they're gonna lose power and-

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 31:49 ... it just... I was thinking to myself, "God, what a mess."

Joe Rogan 31:52 It's a mess. It's a mess and there's, there's a giant division in this country where people feel like the country's lost if their side doesn't win.

Cameron Hanes 32:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:01 And if their side wins, then they feel like they've gotta hold onto this to fight off those other people on the other side, 'cause those people are bad.

Cameron Hanes 32:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:08 Here's what freaked me out, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of people. The Biden sm- administration, the Biden administration blocked the release of the JFK papers.

Cameron Hanes 32:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 JFK was shot in 1963.

Cameron Hanes 32:21 How weird is that?

Joe Rogan 32:23 They're like, "Nope, people are still alive."

Cameron Hanes 32:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:25 There'd be some people that would be fucked are still alive. What that tells me, the government killed Kennedy.

Cameron Hanes 32:31 There's some shady shit going on.

Joe Rogan 32:32 That's what that tells me.

Cameron Hanes 32:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:33 That doesn't tell me that the, the mafia killed Kennedy or the Russians-

Cameron Hanes 32:37 No.

Joe Rogan 32:37 ... killed Kennedy or the Cubans killed Kennedy. That tells me the government probably had that motherfucker waxed.

Cameron Hanes 32:43 They're hiding something.

Joe Rogan 32:44 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 32:44 They're hiding something.

Joe Rogan 32:45 100%.

Cameron Hanes 32:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:47 It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. It's 58 fucking years ago.

Cameron Hanes 32:53 Yeah, and still gotta still hide it.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Ah, that, not yet. Not yet.

Cameron Hanes 32:57 God.

Joe Rogan 32:57 Not yet. H- hold it.

Cameron Hanes 32:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Wait another 25 years.

Cameron Hanes 33:00 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 33:01 It's crazy that they could even justify that, that someone could keep historical information that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963.

Cameron Hanes 33:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:14 They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today.

Cameron Hanes 33:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:19 It must, it must have some bearing on-

Cameron Hanes 33:21 A president being killed.

Joe Rogan 33:23 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 33:23 And we can't know all there is to know about it?

Joe Rogan 33:26 Right. What do you know, you fucks?

Cameron Hanes 33:28 I, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:29 I don't even... I wanna know that more than I wanna know about UFOs.

Cameron Hanes 33:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:33 I wanna know what did you bitches do?

Cameron Hanes 33:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:35 What the fuck did you do, Alan Specter?

Cameron Hanes 33:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:37 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 33:38 I don't even know who that is.

Joe Rogan 33:39 Arlen Specter.

Cameron Hanes 33:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Um, he was one of the people-

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Both of 'em.

Joe Rogan 33:42 ... that were on-

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Fuck both of 'em.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Fuck both of 'em.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:42 He was one of the guys that was on the Warren Commission report. I think it was his idea for the, uh, I believe, s- see if this is right. I think he's the guy who came up with the idea for the single-bullet theory.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Which is the dumbest fucking theory in the... Like, you're a guy who shot a lot of rifles.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 When bullets hit bones, they get fucked up.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 That bullet was pristine. (smacks lips)

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 And they found it in the gurney. Oh, look, magic. On Connally, gov- governor of Texas. Connally's gurney, they found this, uh, magic bullet that they think did all the damage to Kennedy and to him. Went through two people, broke bones.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 And it was not mushroomed out or anything?

Joe Rogan 33:42 No.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 33:42 Not even a little.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:42 You never seen it?

Cameron Hanes 33:42 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Oh, you're in for a treat.

Narrator 33:42 They generally credit to him, is what it says. So-

Joe Rogan 33:42 What's that?

Narrator 33:42 Yeah, generally credit to him is what this says.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Hmm.

Narrator 33:42 I was trying to find out who-

Joe Rogan 33:42 Arlen Specter?

Narrator 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah, Arlen Specter is the guy. He was a creep during the Bush administration.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 I remember, like, listening to him talk on TV, and then when I found out that he was a part of the Warren Commission that actually came up with the single-bullet theory, I was like, "Oh."

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 So look at that bullet.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 That's it. Wow.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Exactly. Like, as a hunter...

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 ... as a guy who's shot bullets, when you look at that, you're like, "There is no fucking way." And I've had arguments and people say, "Actually, that's a, that's not a good photo. If you look at it from another angle, you know, you could see that it has some distortion." I'm like, "Shut the fuck up."

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Ev- every bullet I've ever seen that's been in an animal is mushroomed out.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Destroyed.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 That's, that's how they perform. They mushroom out, they d- And there's a, there's a fine line between basically coming apart-

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 ... to where the, the damage would be-

Joe Rogan 33:42 Not-

Cameron Hanes 33:42 ... dissipated.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Or, and then mushroomed perf- None of 'em look like this, though.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Zero.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 It, it... There's other photos of it where it shows that it's slightly distorted.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah, that's not even-

Joe Rogan 33:42 Right, but the re- Like there, there's a good-

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Okay.

Joe Rogan 33:42 There, somebody actually tried to say that to me, "No, no, no."

Cameron Hanes 33:42 No.

Joe Rogan 33:42 "You should look at it from this angle, like a..." I'm like, "Bitch-"

Cameron Hanes 33:42 It's still nothing.

Joe Rogan 33:42 "... you don't know anything about guns."

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Still nothing.

Joe Rogan 33:42 "You need to shut your fucking mouth," because that's something that was shot into a swimming pool.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 That's what happened there.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 See, that's what a bullet-

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 33:42 ... that wa- looks like.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Well.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Look at that.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 They're even wor- I mean, more mushroomed than that.

Joe Rogan 33:42 That was an, one of the bullets? It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. It's 58 fucking years ago.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah, and still gotta still hide it.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Ah, that, not yet. Not yet.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 God.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Not yet. H- hold it.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Wait another 25 years.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 33:42 It's crazy that they could even justify that, that someone could keep historical information that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963.

Cameron Hanes 33:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:42 They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 It must. It must have some bearing on it.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 A president being killed...

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 ... and we can't know all there is to know about it?

Joe Rogan 33:44 Right. What do you know, you fucks?

Cameron Hanes 33:44 I, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 I don't even... I wanna know that more than I wanna know about UFOs.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 I wanna know what did you bitches do?

Cameron Hanes 33:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:44 What the fuck did you do, Alan Specter?

Cameron Hanes 33:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 33:44 I don't even know who that is.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Arlen Specter.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 Yeah. Both of 'em.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Um, he was one of the people that were on the-

Cameron Hanes 33:44 Fuck both of 'em.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Fuck both of 'em.

Cameron Hanes 33:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:44 He was one of the guys that was on the Warren Commission report. I think it was his idea for the, uh, I believe, s- see if this is right. I think he's the guy who came up with the idea for the single-bullet theory.

Cameron Hanes 33:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:55 Which is the dumbest fucking theory in the... Like, you're a guy who's shot a lot of rifles.

Cameron Hanes 33:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:00 When bullets hit bones, they get fucked up.

Cameron Hanes 34:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:03 That bullet was pristine (smacks lips)

Cameron Hanes 34:05 Mm.

Joe Rogan 34:06 And they found it in the gurney. "Oh, look, magic." On Connally, gov- governor of Texas, Connally's gurney, they found this, uh, magic bullet that they think did all the damage to Kennedy and to him. Went through two people, broke bones.

Cameron Hanes 34:19 And it was not mushroomed out or anything?

Joe Rogan 34:21 No.

Cameron Hanes 34:22 Really?

Joe Rogan 34:22 Not even a little.

Narrator 34:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:22 You never seen it?

Cameron Hanes 34:23 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 34:24 Oh, you're in for a treat.

Narrator 34:25 They generally credit to him, is what it says. So-

Joe Rogan 34:28 What's that?

Narrator 34:28 Yeah, generally credit to him is what this says.

Cameron Hanes 34:30 Hmm.

Narrator 34:30 I was trying to find out who-

Joe Rogan 34:30 Arlen Specter?

Narrator 34:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Yeah, Arlen Specter is the guy. He was a creep during the Bush administration.

Cameron Hanes 34:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:35 I remember, like, listening to him talk on TV, and then when I found out that he was a part of the Warren Commission that actually came up with the single-bullet theory, I was like, "Oh."

Cameron Hanes 34:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:43 So look at that bullet.

Cameron Hanes 34:45 That's it. Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:46 Exactly. Like, as a hunter...

Cameron Hanes 34:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:49 ... as a guy who's shot bullets, when you look at that, you're like, "There is no fucking way." And I've had arguments and people say, "Actually, that's a, that's not a good photo. If you look at it from another angle, you know, you could see that it has some distortion." I'm like, "Shut the fuck up."

Cameron Hanes 35:05 Ev- every bullet I've ever seen that's been in an animal is mushroomed.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Destroyed.

Cameron Hanes 35:10 That's, that's how they perform. They mushroom out, they d- And there's a, there's a fine line between basically coming apart-

Joe Rogan 35:16 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 35:16 ... to where the, the damage would be-

Joe Rogan 35:19 Not-

Cameron Hanes 35:19 ... dissipated.

Joe Rogan 35:19 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 35:20 Or, and then mushroomed perf- None of 'em look like this, though.

Joe Rogan 35:24 Zero.

Cameron Hanes 35:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:24 It, it... There's other photos of it where it shows that it's slightly distorted.

Cameron Hanes 35:28 Yeah, that's not even...

Joe Rogan 35:29 Right, but the re- Like there, there's a good-

Cameron Hanes 35:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 35:31 There, somebody actually tried to say that to me, "No, no, no."

Cameron Hanes 35:33 No.

Joe Rogan 35:33 "You should look at it from this angle, like a..." I'm like, "Bitch-"

Cameron Hanes 35:36 It's still nothing.

Joe Rogan 35:36 "... you don't know anything about guns."

Cameron Hanes 35:38 Still nothing.

Joe Rogan 35:38 "You need to shut your fucking mouth," because that's something that was shot into a swimming pool.

Cameron Hanes 35:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:42 That's what happened there.

Cameron Hanes 35:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:44 See, that's what a bullet-

Cameron Hanes 35:45 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 35:45 ... that wa- looks like.

Cameron Hanes 35:45 Well.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Look at that.

Cameron Hanes 35:46 They're even wor- I mean, more mushroomed than that.

Joe Rogan 35:50 That was an, one of the bullets? It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. It's 58 fucking years ago.

Cameron Hanes 36:05 Yeah. And still gotta still hide it.

Joe Rogan 36:08 Ah, that, not yet. Not yet.

Cameron Hanes 36:14 God.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Not yet. H- hold it.

Cameron Hanes 36:15 Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:16 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 36:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:16 There's no fucking way. And they had to come up... Here's the thing about the, this is the thing about the theory.

Cameron Hanes 36:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:22 Like, by the way, I have lost months of my life-

Cameron Hanes 36:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:25 ... studying the JFK assassination.

Cameron Hanes 36:27 Researching? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:27 I really have. I've spent so much time reading books-

Cameron Hanes 36:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:30 ... on the JF, JFK assassination. But one of the reasons why they had to come up with this theory that this one bullet did so much damage is they had to account for three gunshots.

Cameron Hanes 36:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:42 And once they found out that a bullet had hit an underpass and it had chipped the curbstone and ricocheted up and hit this guy-

Cameron Hanes 36:50 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:51 ... so, the guy had to be treated at the hospital for a ricochet from the gunshot. So, they knew that, that, that was one bullet that did not hit Kennedy. It hit the curbstone.

Cameron Hanes 37:00 So, there's two. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:01 So, there's two.

Cameron Hanes 37:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:01 And so, one bullet blows a hole through Kennedy's head-

Cameron Hanes 37:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:05 ... and so they had to come up with another bullet that went through his, they went through his back, it went into Connally, through his wrist, and I, I believe it wound up in his thigh.

Cameron Hanes 37:14 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:15 Yeah. This is how they, they think the bullet went, which is just... And people say, "No, no, you have to take into account that Kennedy was in an elevated position." Listen, bullets do wacky things when they go into animals. And I, I was talking to a guy once that told me, in the war, that they shot a guy in the head, and the bullet came out of his eye going forward.

Cameron Hanes 37:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:39 Like, it ricocheted off the back of his skull.

Cameron Hanes 37:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 37:42 And Ken... Yeah. He goes, he goes, "Bullets do wild things when they hit bones-"

Cameron Hanes 37:47 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:47 "... and ricochet off stuff." But they don't take turns.

Cameron Hanes 37:50 No.

Joe Rogan 37:51 They don't take turns like that. There's a reason why the bullet would ricochet inside, inside someone's head-

Cameron Hanes 37:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:55 ... and then come out.

Cameron Hanes 37:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:56 Like the initial impact is slightly slowed down, it bounces off the back of the skull-

Cameron Hanes 38:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:01 ... and then comes out. Like, it probably clipped the eyebrow or something coming in. But either way, they don't come out looking like that.

Cameron Hanes 38:07 No.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Not after they did all that shit. And there was more damage, there's more, rather, fragments inside Connally's body, more bullet fragments they found in Connally, Connally's wrist that were missing from the bullet.

Cameron Hanes 38:20 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:21 They should have immediately discounted that bullet and said, "Who gave you this bullet? Who the fuck are you?"

Cameron Hanes 38:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:26 "Where did this bullet come from for real? You're under arrest."

Cameron Hanes 38:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:29 "You're under arrest 'cause I wanna know where you got this fucking bullet. And how, like, uh, you're, you're gonna start talking."

Cameron Hanes 38:35 Why can't we see that information?

Joe Rogan 38:36 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 38:37 That's in there.

Joe Rogan 38:37 Yeah. Well, also, the hole in Kennedy's neck, in, uh, in Dallas, it was, uh, it was called an exit wound. They called it... Or a, an entrance wound to their neck, it was a bullet hole. But then in Bethesda, Maryland, they said it was a tracheotomy hole. His fucking head was missing. Why are they doing a trach on him?

Cameron Hanes 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:00 Why would they do that? Bullshit.

Cameron Hanes 39:01 Doesn't make sense.

Joe Rogan 39:02 Bullshit.

Cameron Hanes 39:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:03 And then we didn't really know anything until they saw the Zapruder film. The Zapruder film which came out, we talked about this yesterday.

Cameron Hanes 39:10 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:10 Came out in '73, right? No, '75? '75. So, it was 12 years after the assassination that Geraldo Rivera and Dick Gregory played the Zapruder film on television.

Cameron Hanes 39:21 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:21 That was the first time anybody had ever seen it outside of those folks.

Cameron Hanes 39:24 You know what they need to do? They need to put you in charge of the investigation.

Joe Rogan 39:28 I'll be dead in a week.

Cameron Hanes 39:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:30 They, they've... Listen, it's amazing they keep me alive just talking shit on this podcast.

Cameron Hanes 39:33 I know. I'm sur- I'm surprised Fauci hasn't knocked you off yet.

Joe Rogan 39:37 That guy's gotta worry about his own life.

Cameron Hanes 39:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:39 The NIH is gonna take him out. Rand Paul was grilling him today.

Cameron Hanes 39:43 Today?

Joe Rogan 39:43 Grilling him today.

Cameron Hanes 39:45 Good. They should.

Joe Rogan 39:45 It was... But you could see him panicking and trying to say, "Under the definitions of what is gain-of-function," and Rand Paul-

Cameron Hanes 39:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:54 ... was just grilling him. Y- the NIH-

Cameron Hanes 39:57 Good.

Joe Rogan 39:57 ... themselves has said that, "You're lying." And you can see finally he's nervous.

Cameron Hanes 40:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:03 Finally, 'cause he's been arrogant and smug-

Cameron Hanes 40:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:05 ... 'cause he felt like he was protected.

Cameron Hanes 40:06 Making documentaries.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Yeah. Well, now he doesn't feel like that anymore. Like today was the first time he looked feeble and nervous.

Cameron Hanes 40:13 Good.

Joe Rogan 40:13 Like while, while Rand Paul... 'Cause he realizes the walls are coming in.

Cameron Hanes 40:16 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:17 They're closing in.

Cameron Hanes 40:17 I think so.

Joe Rogan 40:17 That motherfucker is probably responsible for millions of people being dead.

Cameron Hanes 40:21 God.

Joe Rogan 40:21 Or at least responsible for the kind of research that could have led-

Cameron Hanes 40:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:26 ... to that leak. And if that's where it came from-

Cameron Hanes 40:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:28 ... that's responsible for millions of people being dead.

Cameron Hanes 40:30 Yeah. That'd be-

Joe Rogan 40:31 And meanwhile, he's pretending... He lied. He lied and said that they didn't f- they didn't fund it.

Cameron Hanes 40:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:36 They did. And Rand Paul's been fucking on his ass the entire time.

Cameron Hanes 40:40 He's done it for months. This whole time, he's been on him.

Joe Rogan 40:42 And, "With all due respect, Senator, you do not know what you are talking about."

Cameron Hanes 40:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:47 But he did know.

Cameron Hanes 40:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:49 He did know. And now Fauci knows, the world knows. Once the NIA stepped out-

Cameron Hanes 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 ... when the NIH rather stepped out and they said, "No, this is gain-of-function research."

Cameron Hanes 40:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:57 "This is, you funded gain-of-function research." Then Fauci's like, "His fucking heart's beating 150 beats a minute." (knocking sound)

Cameron Hanes 41:04 Yeah. Did you watch-

Joe Rogan 41:06 Fuck.

Cameron Hanes 41:06 Did you watch his documentary?

Joe Rogan 41:08 15 times.

Cameron Hanes 41:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:10 Now I'm-

Cameron Hanes 41:11 I, I can't... I don't know who would watch it, but he had, he had one, right?

Joe Rogan 41:14 It's the most ratioed documentary that's ever been, uh, seen on Rotten Tomatoes, I think.

Cameron Hanes 41:19 What does that mean?

Joe Rogan 41:19 If you look at like what the critics say-

Cameron Hanes 41:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:21 ... versus what the people say-

Cameron Hanes 41:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:23 ... it's like, the people say, like, it's like 2% of the people liked it.

Cameron Hanes 41:27 Oh, so it's opposite of Chappelle's.

Joe Rogan 41:28 Yeah. Exactly opposite.

Cameron Hanes 41:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Yeah, exactly.

Cameron Hanes 41:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Well, fucking media today, it's so gross.

Cameron Hanes 41:35 I know. It is.

Joe Rogan 41:35 They're such fake people. Fake corporate-controlled puppets, brought to you by Pfizer.

Cameron Hanes 41:40 Oh, yeah. I know.

Joe Rogan 41:42 It's crazy.

Cameron Hanes 41:42 I've talked to so many people about that little clip. It's in, it's in, I mean, good learning-

Joe Rogan 41:48 Should be illegal.

Cameron Hanes 41:48 Good, good morning. Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 41:49 Should be illegal. If you're talking about those things-

Cameron Hanes 41:51 Who, oh.

Joe Rogan 41:52 ... you should not be sponsored by those things.

Cameron Hanes 41:53 Russell Brand actually had a good... I watched a little clip he put together on that.

Joe Rogan 41:57 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 41:57 That was, uh, on point.

Joe Rogan 41:59 Russell Brand is one of the best journalists in America. It's crazy.

Cameron Hanes 42:02 Is he in America?

Joe Rogan 42:04 Uh, he is when he gets to my fucking phone.

Cameron Hanes 42:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:08 (laughs) I should say the world. You know-

Cameron Hanes 42:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:10 ... he, he lives in the UK.

Cameron Hanes 42:11 Yeah. I know. I mean, he-

Joe Rogan 42:13 Hmm.

Cameron Hanes 42:13 ... he breaks it down.

Joe Rogan 42:14 He does.

Cameron Hanes 42:14 And he'll talk about, like, he, he talked about how they were talking about you. And so they would-... they would introduce you as controversial.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Ha.

Cameron Hanes 42:22 You know?

Joe Rogan 42:22 Well, I guess I am.

Cameron Hanes 42:23 And he's like, he goes, "How about respected or, or whatever." I mean, but they use the word controversial to get that tone-

Joe Rogan 42:29 To dismiss me.

Cameron Hanes 42:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 42:30 To get the tone started going down that path.

Joe Rogan 42:33 It used to work. All their tactics that they're saying, like dismissing people, calling them a this or that, it used to work. The problem with doing that with me is millions of people listen to the show, they know me.

Cameron Hanes 42:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:46 Y- I can't hide.

Cameron Hanes 42:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:47 If I've been, I've been doing this for so long.

Cameron Hanes 42:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:50 I have so many hours of footage. The people that listen know me.

Cameron Hanes 42:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:53 So when you try to pretend I'm something I'm not, they're like, "What? The fuck? Get the fuck out of here."

Cameron Hanes 42:58 Yeah. Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:59 We're in a weird time in this country, man, because there's so much censorship and these corporate entities that control these tech companies, right? These tech companies control a giant part of the discussion in this country-

Cameron Hanes 43:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:16 ... because if you try to say certain things on YouTube, you will get censored.

Cameron Hanes 43:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:20 They will remove your video.

Cameron Hanes 43:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:22 They will take it down.

Cameron Hanes 43:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:23 They will demonetize you. They will remove you. They will... First of all, they will try to disincentivize you. They will try to make it so that you will not make money if you talk about-

Cameron Hanes 43:33 Right. I've seen that.

Joe Rogan 43:33 ... alternative methods of treating COVID They will fucking take... Even if you're a doctor-

Cameron Hanes 43:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:39 ... even if you're an epidemiologist-

Cameron Hanes 43:40 Oh, yeah. Yeah. They, they-

Joe Rogan 43:40 ... you're a scientist.

Cameron Hanes 43:41 ... they've de-flap- de-platformed doctors.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Yes. They don't give a-

Cameron Hanes 43:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:44 They've, they've removed Senate testimony by doctors telling pe- the, the, telling congressmen-

Cameron Hanes 43:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:53 ... telling important people in government how medications work, how diseases work. They remove them.

Cameron Hanes 44:00 That's-

Joe Rogan 44:01 They're like, "We know better. We run YouTube."

Cameron Hanes 44:03 Un- unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 44:05 And it's scary. And the same thing with, uh, Facebook and, uh, these other social media platforms. There's so much power now.

Cameron Hanes 44:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:11 And then when you realize that these, these people are all in cahoots.

Cameron Hanes 44:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:16 They're all in cahoots with the Democratic Party. They all get their fucking talking points and what's, what's legal and not legal to talk about, and then it goes to mainstream media, to CNN and all. But what they don't understand is by doing this, they're just making people understand that the hustle is real.

Cameron Hanes 44:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:33 That the, the fix is in.

Cameron Hanes 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 That it is all a goddamn con game.

Cameron Hanes 44:37 Well, when they see that now and they say, you know, "ABC News, brought to you by Pfizer," now people are going, "Wait a second."

Joe Rogan 44:43 Exactly.

Cameron Hanes 44:44 "This is why..." You'll never hear a negative word about the vaccine on ABC News because w- they'd be like, "What the hell are you doing? They're paying our bills."

Joe Rogan 44:52 Right.

Cameron Hanes 44:52 "They're paying you."

Joe Rogan 44:53 And you could say a lot of good things about the vaccine. Here's the thing about the vaccine, it's not ... it's not bad, but we need to be accurate. Like, you can't not tell people about the negative response that some people have. You can't t- not tell people-

Cameron Hanes 45:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 ... about the adverse reactions.

Cameron Hanes 45:11 Just, just say, "Hey, here's-"

Joe Rogan 45:13 Say all of it.

Cameron Hanes 45:14 "... what you're dealing with. You make the decision."

Joe Rogan 45:14 Yeah. It should be, you should know all of it.

Cameron Hanes 45:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:17 They should report on the deaths.

Cameron Hanes 45:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:19 They should report on all these soccer players that are having fucking heart attacks.

Cameron Hanes 45:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:23 They should report on all these different things. Say what is going on, but also show all these people that got COVID and they were vaccinated and they survived and they're okay-

Cameron Hanes 45:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:33 ... and maybe they wouldn't have.

Cameron Hanes 45:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:35 Show all these people that are older, show all these people with compromised immune systems.

Cameron Hanes 45:39 Just show your hand.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Show everything.

Cameron Hanes 45:40 Show your hand and then the-

Joe Rogan 45:42 And, and don't f-

Cameron Hanes 45:42 ... the people make the decision.

Joe Rogan 45:43 Don't force people into taking this shit (clears throat) . That's where...

Cameron Hanes 45:47 Like, and Biden is still pushing that ma- vaccine mandate for m- with em- employees or employers with over 100 people.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 45:54 You know, and like n- now they have till January 4th. And that, that could be the way I quit my job (laughs) because-

Joe Rogan 46:00 Good. Good.

Cameron Hanes 46:00 ... there's more than-

Joe Rogan 46:01 I'm trying to get you to quit your job.

Cameron Hanes 46:02 ... more than 100 people where I work, and they've been, the general manager there has been pretty good about it. But it's like, they, they say, you know, if OSHA says this or it's a mandate, it's like, man, it's tough.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Yeah. It's wild. I never thought we'd be in a position where an experimental vaccine would be something that people are forced to take if they want to keep their job-

Cameron Hanes 46:23 I know.

Joe Rogan 46:23 ... or travel or go to-

Cameron Hanes 46:24 It's so wrong.

Joe Rogan 46:25 ... restaurants or go to bars. E- especially when you have natural immunity.

Cameron Hanes 46:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Like there are people that have survived COVID. Look at those antibodies, son. I got fat antibodies.

Cameron Hanes 46:37 Oh, so you've had... Oh yeah, no, you had it. Of course, you had it.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Yeah, I've had it. So I got-

Cameron Hanes 46:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:41 ... antibodies.

Cameron Hanes 46:42 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 46:42 Like my antibodies are better than people's antibodies if they get a vaccine.

Cameron Hanes 46:45 Yeah.

Narrator 46:46 I mean-

Joe Rogan 46:46 And I can't go places. Like we're gonna be in New York City tomorrow.

Cameron Hanes 46:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:49 I can't eat there.

Cameron Hanes 46:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:50 We have to go to Jersey.

Cameron Hanes 46:52 God.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Here's the thing, Cam. When you go to Jersey, we're gonna go to Jersey tomorrow for dinner.

Cameron Hanes 46:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:56 When we go to Jersey, we're gonna go to this nice steak house we went to last time. There's fucking no masks.

Cameron Hanes 47:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Everybody's treating it like nothing's going on.

Cameron Hanes 47:02 How... So I'm, I'm-

Joe Rogan 47:03 They're all fine.

Cameron Hanes 47:04 ... I'm in the airport and it's like these, these flight attendants, they're just like, uh, you know, "Mask over your nose, sir. Mask over..." You know, if you have it here right below your nose, no.

Joe Rogan 47:14 You're killing people if you do that.

Cameron Hanes 47:15 Dangerous. Very da- Mask over your nose. It's like, are you kidding me?

Joe Rogan 47:19 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 47:19 How, how crazy is this?

Joe Rogan 47:20 Well, and also their cloth, these paper masks, they're nothing. They're not protecting. There, like there's all these gaps in them.

Cameron Hanes 47:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 Have you ever seen when, uh, the doctor blows the vape through the, the masks?

Cameron Hanes 47:33 No. Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 47:33 I showed it to Sanjay Gupta-

Cameron Hanes 47:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:35 ... because he was talking about masks. He brought up the fact that I sell masks on my website. I, I forgot I sell them.

Cameron Hanes 47:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:40 Uh, there was, like, something, someone that works for me made these JRE masks. But that was because you have to wear masks everywhere. Like...

Cameron Hanes 47:46 Well, that... You know, Brandon Bills who makes my stuff-

Joe Rogan 47:49 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 47:49 ... they said, "Hey, do you want to do masks?" And I'm like, "No, I'm not doing a fucking mask."

Joe Rogan 47:53 Good for you. Good for you. I was a whore.

Cameron Hanes 47:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:54 I probably made $50 and I looked-

Cameron Hanes 47:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:56 ... like a piece of shit for it, but... Uh, but this, uh, doctor made this video on, he put it on YouTube where he take... You know those people that make those, those crazy vapes, like the box vapes where they take a-

Cameron Hanes 48:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:07 ... hit and it blows crazy smoke?

Cameron Hanes 48:09 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Well, this guy puts various masks on and blows through these masks with the vape so you can see. And he's like, "By the way-"

Cameron Hanes 48:18 Oh, coming through probably.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Yes. And the vapor, he's like, "The vape molecules are far larger than the molecules for COVID." So this idea that this ...... this thing in front of your mouth is stopping COVID particles from getting into the air.

Cameron Hanes 48:30 I will say this. I had, I had this mask the other day, 'cause it's like, f- whatever for the airport, and I had it on and I could barely breathe. I'm like, "What the fuck is up with this mask?" So, it was actually an N95 mask.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Oh, good one.

Cameron Hanes 48:42 Yeah, so it was one that, uh, probably does something, I guess, if it's fitted right. But that compared to, like, the normal, like you just, hey, you gotta have a mask, so you put this thing on.

Joe Rogan 48:50 Right.

Cameron Hanes 48:51 I mean, those do, I, I mean-

Joe Rogan 48:53 They do something-

Cameron Hanes 48:53 ... I can, I can breathe just fine with those.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 48:55 So, they must not be doing anything.

Joe Rogan 48:56 Well, he even shows with an N95 mask, it comes out the sides.

Cameron Hanes 48:59 Yeah, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 49:00 Like, it comes out.

Cameron Hanes 49:01 It's just, it's so ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Uh, it might help a little. I mean, it might catch some stuff.

Cameron Hanes 49:06 It's-

Joe Rogan 49:06 But this idea that it offers real protection, like if you knew that you're gonna wear one of those masks and walk into a plague house-

Cameron Hanes 49:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:13 ... where everybody's dying of the plague, you wouldn't wear that fucking cloth, paper, whatever the fuck it is-

Cameron Hanes 49:18 No.

Joe Rogan 49:18 ... thing on your face.

Cameron Hanes 49:19 It'll s-... Those will work if you were gonna cough and cough a loogie-

Joe Rogan 49:23 Watch this.

Cameron Hanes 49:23 ... into somebody's mouth.

Joe Rogan 49:25 Watch th-, g-, let 'em, show 'em what the, the paper masks. Yeah. So, here's, uh, go for, go all the way to the beginning.

Cameron Hanes 49:33 God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:33 Watch the, look at this. Is this the first one? I think the first one. Start with the first one. Do the first one. Do the part-

Cameron Hanes 49:40 The first one.

Joe Rogan 49:40 ... the first one 'cause it's got the goofy one. Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 49:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:42 Go to that one, 'cause this is the most ridiculous. Look at that.

Cameron Hanes 49:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Bro, it's coming out the sides. It's coming out everywhere.

Cameron Hanes 49:48 It's still coming out. That's why I say, you could cough a loogie and it would stop that. That's what they did.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Watch this. I mean, this is nuts.

Cameron Hanes 49:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:55 It does keep it from coming out a little bit from the front.

Cameron Hanes 49:59 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:59 But it goes sideways, so you just make the people sick that are sitting next to you. Like, look at that one.

Cameron Hanes 50:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:05 It's nuts. It's, it comes out. If you can breathe in, that means that you can breathe out-

Cameron Hanes 50:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:11 ... and the air comes out.

Cameron Hanes 50:12 It's silly.

Joe Rogan 50:12 Which means that, I mean, maybe it's stopping some of it, maybe it's filtering some of it. I would like to see, like, real data. I mean, I don't know how they would do that. I mean, I think they've done data in terms of, like, infection rates of people wearing masks or not wearing masks, but, (sighs) I don't know, it's so hard because so many of these studies are so biased.

Cameron Hanes 50:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Like, you c- you can tell that they're saying things-

Cameron Hanes 50:33 I don't believe anything.

Joe Rogan 50:33 ... because they wanna come to a conclusion.

Cameron Hanes 50:35 Yeah. I, I believe you and Russell Brand.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Mm, don't believe me all the time.

Cameron Hanes 50:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:41 I'll believe Russell before I believe me.

Cameron Hanes 50:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:43 And believe Brett Weinstein, believe the people that are sticking their neck out, that are w- risking their livelihood.

Cameron Hanes 50:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:50 You know? It's just, it just, censorship is the scariest thing.

Cameron Hanes 50:54 It is.

Joe Rogan 50:54 Because people don't understand that by censoring people, you're just making the other side seem like they have a point.

Cameron Hanes 51:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:00 Even if they talk nonsense, even if it's like, QAnon shit, they're nutty people.

Cameron Hanes 51:05 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:06 You're still making it seem like they have a point.

Cameron Hanes 51:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Did you know that there was a bunch of people that went to Dallas yesterday because they thought that JFK was returning and that he was gonna be Trump's VP? JFK Jr. JFK Jr.? Yeah. Oh, I thought it was JFK Sr. No. Oh. Remember, they think, that's part of the QAnon thing, they think that JFK Jr. is some guy and they thought he was at the Capitol Hill thing. (laughs) And they, they, in that documentary, they show who the guy is. So, this is how dumb these motherfuckers are. They went to, uh, Dealey Plaza.

Cameron Hanes 51:36 Be careful.

Joe Rogan 51:36 And-

Cameron Hanes 51:36 You're talking about me.

Joe Rogan 51:37 No, you're not-

Cameron Hanes 51:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:38 You don't believe that.

Cameron Hanes 51:39 Kidding.

Joe Rogan 51:39 How dare you?

Cameron Hanes 51:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:40 They went there and they waited for JFK Jr., I guess-

Cameron Hanes 51:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:45 ... to, to appear. And they're like, "Any minute now."

Cameron Hanes 51:48 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 51:48 "He's coming any minute now." So, these videos of these dorks.

Cameron Hanes 51:52 How...

Joe Rogan 51:52 They've, they've been without QAnon for months now, right? It's 10 months since January 6th.

Cameron Hanes 51:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 They're like, "What to do? What to do?"

Cameron Hanes 51:59 Oh, I know.

Joe Rogan 51:59 Like, once they realized that the QAnon stuff wasn't real, they're like, "Damn, what do I do?" Look at these dorks. All waiting around, "Dirt."

Cameron Hanes 52:06 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 52:07 Yeah. Oh, they got lawn chairs and shit.

Cameron Hanes 52:09 Isn't this where they'd have the undercover FBI guys too, though?

Joe Rogan 52:12 Yeah. The FBI guys are like, "We're gonna need a riot. We need a ri-" Oh, they have Q's, Q's that make America great again hats on.

Cameron Hanes 52:19 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 52:20 Fucking dummies.

Cameron Hanes 52:21 Yeah. That's brutal.

Joe Rogan 52:22 Well, this is the problem though, is like, when you-

Cameron Hanes 52:24 Oh, I saw a shirt, Trump and JFK Jr. You see that?

Joe Rogan 52:27 Oh, let me see that shirt.

Cameron Hanes 52:27 Right there.

Joe Rogan 52:29 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 52:29 (laughs) Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Oh, my God. These guys, they get together and they all share three brain cells.

Cameron Hanes 52:36 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:37 This is so silly.

Cameron Hanes 52:39 Yeah. That's br-... But, so on the opposite side of this is the liberals.

Joe Rogan 52:43 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 52:43 So, they have just extreme liberals.

Joe Rogan 52:45 Oh, yeah.

Cameron Hanes 52:46 I think-

Joe Rogan 52:46 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 52:46 ... that the squad is about, probably the polar opposite of that, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 52:49 There's a l-, yeah, there's, and, and the people that follow them, like, religiously-

Cameron Hanes 52:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:54 ... and cry when they see them.

Cameron Hanes 52:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:55 It's like, there's just groups of people that f- find a thing.

Cameron Hanes 53:01 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Whatever that thing is.

Cameron Hanes 53:03 They-

Joe Rogan 53:03 Whether it's QAnon or whether it's, like, uh, Marxism, like, whatever it is. They, they find a thing and then they find a bunch of other people that are willing to agree to that thing.

Cameron Hanes 53:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:13 And then they get in an echo chamber and they, they fucking just yell at everybody else.

Cameron Hanes 53:18 Well, that's their pur-, like I said, you know, training is, or bowhunting's my purpose for training. That's their purpose.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 53:24 It's like, that's what they've attached their whatever to, their identity essentially.

Joe Rogan 53:30 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 53:30 And so, that's just what it's all about.

Joe Rogan 53:32 They're like mind viruses, like people catch a mind virus and then they hang onto it.

Cameron Hanes 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Like, QAnon is like a mind virus.

Cameron Hanes 53:38 It's weird how you, people could be that gullible though. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 53:42 It is, but then you think about cults.

Cameron Hanes 53:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:45 They get you to-

Cameron Hanes 53:45 I know, it-

Joe Rogan 53:45 ... chop your balls off.

Cameron Hanes 53:46 But, yeah, but it's happened for, yeah, forever.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 53:48 Since as long as humans have been around, there's been people who, I don't know. It's just, isn't that strange about our specie?

Joe Rogan 53:56 It is. What people... Look, uncertainty scares a lot of folks.

Cameron Hanes 54:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:02 And they don't like it.

Cameron Hanes 54:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:03 That's why people, like, stay in the same place and they don't take any of, they don't do any adventures, they don't try anything dangerous. They just, like, stay in their lane-

Cameron Hanes 54:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:13 ... they, and they rot away like that.

Cameron Hanes 54:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:15 Because they're just afraid of the risk. And so, because uncertainty makes people scared, when they can find people that will assure them and reassure them-

Cameron Hanes 54:27 Mm-hmm, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:27 ... and provide them with a framework and they don't have to do any thinking, they cling onto that. And then they find a bunch of other people who agree with that, and then they reinforce each other. And then they attack anybody-

Cameron Hanes 54:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:37 ... who disagrees with that opinion because you're literally attacking their very existence.

Cameron Hanes 54:42 Yeah. I guess so.

Joe Rogan 54:44 ... bunch of bitches.

Cameron Hanes 54:45 It's a- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:45 Weak-ass bitches. There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there.

Cameron Hanes 54:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:48 And I'm, I'm becoming less charitable as I've gotten older.

Cameron Hanes 54:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:51 I would've thought I'd been, like... I would've thought as I got older, I would be, like, more, more compassionate to some of these people, but now I'm just like, "Where's the fucking wolves?"

Cameron Hanes 55:00 Y-

Joe Rogan 55:00 We need wolves in the streets, taking these dummies out.

Cameron Hanes 55:03 Yeah. Y- I mean, you just talked about how people, they don't like the uncertainty. They-

Joe Rogan 55:08 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 55:08 You know, they, like... Even if it's... I mean, I was... I thought something weird for a second, though. But even, like, uh, you know, they say women who have been abused, the- they stay in that relationship, 'cause maybe-

Joe Rogan 55:21 Sometimes, yeah.

Cameron Hanes 55:21 ... maybe, maybe that's... 'Cause it's, it's a known evil, I guess.

Joe Rogan 55:26 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 55:26 You know what I mean? So then I was thinking, I saw this clip the other day and, uh, it was this guy says, he says, he asked people if they would take $10 million i- if pe- you know, what you could you do, would... What could you do with $10 million, you know? And people said they could live, you know, uh, a good life for a year or 10 years or however long. And he goes, "Okay, well, what... If I gave you $10 million, but then you wouldn't wake up tomorrow?" And they said, "Well, no. I wouldn't do that." He said, "So that means your life for a day is worth more than $10 million, otherwise you would take it and, you know, you wouldn't wake up tomorrow. So if your life is worth more than $10 million for a day of living, why do you just wake up and just go through the motions? Why aren't you waking up and putting that value on and saying you n- need to make the most of i- and, and you know, appreciating every day you have if it's that valuable to you, if you put it in those terms?"

Joe Rogan 56:19 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 56:20 And it's, um... I just... It's, it's weird how people, you know, you, when you put it like that, it's an easy decision to make. But when you just say, "Well, I'm just gonna wake up and go through the motions," it's like, are you really maximizing the value of your life, the gift of life?

Joe Rogan 56:35 Yeah. It's, it, it's interesting how people, like, develop these patterns. And one of the things that they do is, like, unless something radical happens to you where you feel like it's all gonna be taken away, you just can take it for granted. Like, those near-death experiences are so profound for people, because so many people have something happen, like a cancer scare or maybe-

Cameron Hanes 56:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:58 ... a car accident or some kind of a near-death experience, where they walk o- out of it and then they realize, like, they could've lost everything.

Cameron Hanes 57:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 And then they change-

Cameron Hanes 57:07 They get another chance.

Joe Rogan 57:07 Th- yeah. But you always had that. You always had-

Cameron Hanes 57:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:12 ... this life that has endless possibilities.

Cameron Hanes 57:14 Why does it take a wake-up call?

Joe Rogan 57:16 Right. I think there's also a part of the- th- there's a problem with most people's existences. This is why I've been trying to get you to quit your job.

Cameron Hanes 57:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:23 Most people's existences, you're doing something all day that you don't want to do.

Cameron Hanes 57:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:27 And you have all this adventure that you do on top of that.

Cameron Hanes 57:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:32 But a lot of people don't. So their existence is this dull drone of doing things they don't want to do all the time.

Cameron Hanes 57:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:41 And then when they get home, they just watch TV and eat.

Cameron Hanes 57:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:46 And when they see people that are daring, that take risks, they attack them.

Cameron Hanes 57:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:51 They, they hate on them. And that's-

Cameron Hanes 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:53 ... through the comfort of their own phone and through the keyboards. They like to-

Cameron Hanes 57:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:57 ... shit on people that make them feel uncomfortable. And they'll talk shit about your ambitions and, like, "What the fuck is wrong with him? Why is he running every day?"

Cameron Hanes 58:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:07 "Why is he working out so much?" Like, the kind of stuff they do for you, like, I see it.

Cameron Hanes 58:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 I'll, I'll read your co- I don't read my comments, but I'll read yours.

Cameron Hanes 58:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:14 (laughs)

Cameron Hanes 58:14 Yeah. This-

Joe Rogan 58:14 But that's why they do it.

Cameron Hanes 58:16 I know.

Joe Rogan 58:16 They do it because they feel, they feel inadequate.

Cameron Hanes 58:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:20 Because they have not lived... They're not living a maximized life.

Cameron Hanes 58:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:25 But they could.

Cameron Hanes 58:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:26 That's the thing, they could.

Cameron Hanes 58:28 Agreed.

Joe Rogan 58:28 It's not easy.

Cameron Hanes 58:29 No.

Joe Rogan 58:29 And the wh- the longer you get into that life, the harder it is to get out. If you're 55 years old and you've been living this dull-ass, boring life your whole life-

Cameron Hanes 58:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:37 ... and you've never taken any chances-

Cameron Hanes 58:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 ... and your body looks like shit, it's fat and doughy and you're tired all the time-

Cameron Hanes 58:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:44 ... and you decide, "I wanna be a beast today." Like, boy-

Cameron Hanes 58:46 That's rough.

Joe Rogan 58:47 ... you got a long road, son.

Cameron Hanes 58:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:49 You know?

Cameron Hanes 58:50 And people do it. I mean, people... N- I w-

Joe Rogan 58:51 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 58:51 I don't know if they turn into "beasts," quote unquote, but they lose 100 pounds. They-

Joe Rogan 58:56 Hey, man, if a guy loses 100 pounds, he's a beast.

Cameron Hanes 58:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 That's a b-

Cameron Hanes 58:59 No, that, that, that's true.

Joe Rogan 59:00 That's a Herculean effort.

Cameron Hanes 59:02 Yeah. I mean, w- and I've, I've... We've talked about this before, but even where I work now, there is people who I worked with and they'd say, "Well, you keep that up, you won't be running when you're 40. You won't be doing this, you won't be doing that 'cause your knee replacements, you're gonna break your body down. You won't be able to walk," and all this. But what happens is... And, and we talked about this with Goggins the other day. But your body... His was c- pretty extreme. But your body does adapt to the load you put on it.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Yes.

Cameron Hanes 59:28 And, and they say instead of... It's not running breaks your body down, running strengthens your body. And runners actually have stronger joints-

Joe Rogan 59:38 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 59:38 ... stronger knees, stronger hips-

Joe Rogan 59:40 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 59:40 ... because they've been... Their body ha- has adapted.

Joe Rogan 59:43 Right. Yeah. It's like everything else. Like, TIE fighters. Like, if someone kicks you in the shin, that hurts like hell.

Cameron Hanes 59:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:50 But TIE fighters can kick fucking trees.

Cameron Hanes 59:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Why? Because their, their, their body's adapted.

Cameron Hanes 59:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Like, it just hurts to adapt.

Cameron Hanes 59:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:57 And to be able to do-

Cameron Hanes 59:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:59 ... things that are difficult, you, you have to harden your mind too.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 That's the most impressive thing about people like you and, um, uh, Goggins and these folks that do these endurance events. It's like, you gotta harden your mind-

Cameron Hanes 1:00:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 ... if you're gonna run for three days.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:14 Yeah. That's, that's definitely the hardest part.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Mm-hmm.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:17 Yeah. But... And they say, you know, I mean, where the change happens, it's like, b- being consecutive days of training, that's good, but it's over years. If you... Not very many people do it for years, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Right.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:31 Everybody goes. They, they get all fired up, um, energized to do something, then that drops off. They might do it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Right.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:38 ... for a week, but then they drop.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Like folks who lose weight and then gain it back.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:40 Yeah. I mean, but if you can just continue to put in the work, punch that time clock, for y- your life...... yeah, I mean, it can change dramatically.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:00:49 Your body will change. Your everything will change. Your, your, how you look at things changes, but it takes that consistent effort.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 The consistency is so hard because there's a lot of comfort in those old patterns.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 And even if the old patterns are just eating cake and watching TV, like some-

Cameron Hanes 1:01:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 ... people just fall back to them, or drugs. Like some people, you know, they, they kick the pills and their life is doing good, and then they, they, they, you know, get to a point where they made a lot of improvement and then they'll slide right back into the pills again. You're like-

Cameron Hanes 1:01:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 ... "Why? Why, you were doing so good. Why are you, why are you doing drugs again?"

Cameron Hanes 1:01:23 I know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 It's almost like that pattern is better for their brain because it's, they, it's, they know what happens when you do that-

Cameron Hanes 1:01:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 ... versus the open-ended possibilities of just going for it.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 Just trying to live a maximized life. Because if you do and you fail, the pain of that, it's difficult to deal with.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 But that's how you learn.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 And that's how you continue to go. That's how you continue to move forward.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Some people just that... The, the unknown is so scary for people. That's why people don't like to try new things.

Cameron Hanes 1:01:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 They don't like to take chances. They don't like to learn new stuff 'cause it's like, "What if I fail? What if I suck?" With a- I don't like not knowing things. I'm just gonna do what I know.

Cameron Hanes 1:02:07 Mm-hmm. Well, that's, I mean, that's what I've always admired about you, is like you've had so much success, you know, you say from podcasting to comedy, but then you're willing to try something hard like bow hunting. And people who bow hunt know how hard it is, and for you to embrace that has just been... A lot of people won't do that, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:02:28 Because it is so hard and it's like you can fail a lot and it hurts.

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Yeah, but I like it. I like, I like new things, man. I li- And bow hunting is fucking hard.

Cameron Hanes 1:02:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 And that's why I like it.

Cameron Hanes 1:02:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 I like, I like... Uh, it keeps me normal. I think the more difficult things I do, whether it's my workouts or martial arts or anything that I do, b- they keep me normal.

Cameron Hanes 1:02:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 You know, I don't think people should have an easy life. I don't believe in easy. I don't think it's good for you. Like if-

Cameron Hanes 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 ... I just was like flying around on private jets and fucking eating catered meals and like-

Cameron Hanes 1:03:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 ... d- doing nothing hard, who am I? What are you? Like what is the purpose of life? Like w- w- how does your brain work?

Cameron Hanes 1:03:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 What, where's, uh, w- where's the challenge?

Cameron Hanes 1:03:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Where's the, where's the thing that keeps you alive?

Cameron Hanes 1:03:17 What, so, uh, yeah, that's, I mean, it's that hunger.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:03:21 And so what... People lose it. We talked about fighters retiring, then they lose that-

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:03:26 ... lose that purpose, but maybe it's hunger. But, so what keeps that? Because I feel, w- just for me personally, and I don't know why, I'm trying to, I'm thinking about it right, as we are discussing this, but like when I first started hunting, I would have a beat up Toyota four-wheel drive, uh, not even four-wheel drive, two-wheel drive piece of shit. And I'd drive it hunting and, but I feel like now I have that same drive to succeed as I did then, but I, I have, I, I travel in, in comfort to get to my hunts-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:03:56 ... but I still hunt the same as I did. So I'm trying to think-

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 'Cause you, you don't have-

Cameron Hanes 1:04:02 ... why.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 ... because your, your mindset is not... You can look at it one way that like one, like the hungry people are the people that don't have anything.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:13 And so they're tr- trying hard to get to that thing.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 But what you're doing is you're trying hard, as hard as you can, to achieve excellence.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Like your focus is on excellence.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:26 If your focus is always on excellence, it doesn't matter if you get there in a fucking new Raptor-

Cameron Hanes 1:04:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:30 ... or if you get there in a, a busted down old pickup truck that barely runs.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Like your focus is the same. Like it's, uh, it's inconsequential whether or not you're, uh, struggling financially. It doesn't matter because the struggle, the physical struggle-

Cameron Hanes 1:04:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 ... is always difficult.

Cameron Hanes 1:04:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 It's always the same. So your goal is so lofty. Like your goal, being your best in the mountains, doing... One of the most difficult things I've ever done-

Cameron Hanes 1:04:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 ... bow hunting. Bow hunting in the mountains is one of the most fu- I've done a lot of wild shit.

Cameron Hanes 1:05:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 I've fought, I've done a lot of standup comedy, I do live podcasts and live UFC broadcasts, things that make people nervous.

Cameron Hanes 1:05:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Bow hunting is one of the hardest fucking things I've ever done, and one of the best things. And the thing is, it's available to everybody.

Cameron Hanes 1:05:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 It's like not everybody gets to hunt at the Desert, but-

Cameron Hanes 1:05:19 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 ... you know, and people get mad at that, but that's, you know, go make some money, bitch. But this is-

Cameron Hanes 1:05:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 ... the, the thing about-

Cameron Hanes 1:05:26 So why is it so hard?

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 It's, it's hard because these fucking animals have evolved for millions of years.

Cameron Hanes 1:05:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 ... to avoid predators.

Cameron Hanes 1:05:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 You have to play the wind. You have to be fit enough to get to the top of the mountain. You have to be able to execute a good shot under pressure, you know? And the feeling of making a good shot is beyond description. Like it's so hard for us to explain to someone what it's like-

Cameron Hanes 1:05:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 ... to like center that pin on the vitals, watch that arrow (claps hands) slam in there and know you did it, and watch that animal briefly run off and then tip over and know you gave that thing the quickest death possible. And the, uh, the reason why it has the quickest death possible is 'cause you develop your skills, you develop your accuracy and your ability to, to execute under pressure. And it's fucking hard to do.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 It's really hard to do.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 And you don't get a chance to do it again. You get one shot.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Just one shot. The animal's there.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 You, you line up the shot and you think about all those thousands and thousands of arrows you shot over the years and this is it. This is the moment.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 You get one of these.

Cameron Hanes 1:06:40 It's like, and also, well, I don't think about all those. I mean, uh, 'cause it's, it's subconscious, but here's... I mean, you know what my goal is, to, my goal is to be perfect. But even after 33 years-... who knows how many arrows, there's still that, that crunch time decision-making. So, I had a bull, a bull in Utah this year, came up 10 yards away. He's quartering to me a little bit. I got my 90-pound bow, as we know, and I'm thinking that, that distance, still I did not make the best decision because I thought, "You know what? I can just pound right through that shoulder and I'll get his chest." Didn't happen.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 You hit a bone dead on.

Cameron Hanes 1:07:24 Hit, hit the shoulder dead on. It, it broke his shoulder, and that was debilitating to him, but it wasn't through the lungs, which is what you want for a, a quick death. So, even my decision-making in that crunch time moment where you get one chance wasn't perfect. I screwed up. Luckily, he went out, I get ... got another arrow into him and I had ... did get him killed. But still, even after all this time, all these, you know, I've killed a lot of bulls now. Man, you (sighs) the decision-making, uh, has to be perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 And it has to be done on the fly-

Cameron Hanes 1:08:00 Yeah. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 ... in this brief moment, this window in time.

Cameron Hanes 1:08:03 'Cause bulls, bulls come in just screaming.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 Yeah, yeah.

Cameron Hanes 1:08:06 And-

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 And you gotta figure out what to do.

Cameron Hanes 1:08:08 Yeah. And that's, that's where I've always said you can master archery. I mean, people, they shoot perfect 300s and people who don't know, I've never even done it, I don't even know anything about target, but I know that they shoot, um, a certain amount o- of arrows and you can get a 300 score and if you hit right on the X, that's the certain amount of Xs, so I think it's 60 arrows, you can get 60 Xs if you're perfect. But anyway, you can master that 'cause people have done that before. You can't master bow hunting.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 No.

Cameron Hanes 1:08:38 You cannot master b- I don't care who you are, I don't care how long you do it, it's you and that animal and it's an imperfect ... I mean, man's imperfect, hunting's imperfect, and it's just, you'll never master it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 That's why it's so important to always be at your best, and that's the challenge of it all. The challenge of it all is that it's, first of all, the stakes couldn't be higher for the animal. It's life or death. You owe that animal a quick death.

Cameron Hanes 1:09:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:07 And you're also in this situation where there's, there's these wild instincts that