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(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello, Joe Rogan.
- TPTim Pool
How's it going, man?
- JRJoe Rogan
What's goin' on, buddy?
- TPTim Pool
I'm so excited. It's been like a year and a half.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's nice to see you. L- last night was fuckin' chaos.
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, you, you can't have like 10 people with microphones in a room in a trailer. (laughs)
- TPTim Pool
It was good, though, because Alex would just start screaming, "Ah!" if too many people talked at once.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
So he was acting like, you know, that buffer. Uh, thanks for coming, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was fun.
- TPTim Pool
It ended up being huge. We had like over a million people watch, and it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TPTim Pool
... it was a cacophony of crazy voices, and I don't know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... if anyone learned anything, but you know, it was, it was fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just seeing Alex sitting next to Blaire White and-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then you and me and Luke, and it was just, it was wild.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Very fun.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was very silly.
- TPTim Pool
But, but seriously, thanks for coming, dog. W- when, when, uh, uh, it, it came together accidentally because one by one everyone wanted to come on the show on the same day. I felt bad for Blaire White because we had originally booked her, and then at the last minute, some ... I can't remember who it was, probably Luke, he was like, "Have you, have you asked Joe?" And I was like, "He's got a comedy show. He's too busy, but you know if you don't ask, the answer's always no." And then Joe's like, "Yeah, I'll come by. This will be great."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I worked it in. We got in. We, I had the podcast before then, so we were with my friend Ben, and we were hammered. So we-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We had been drinking and smoking weed-
- TPTim Pool
I can explain this.
- 15:00 – 30:00
And Sanjay Gupta said,…
- JRJoe Rogan
be clear that it is not a lie, that it's a horse dewormer."
- TPTim Pool
And Sanjay Gupta said, "That's true."
- JRJoe Rogan
No, that's not what he said. He said after that, "And it's also not cleared for use by the FDA," and he said, "That's true." That's what he said.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, he tried to talk about it again and talk about the horse dewormer part of it, about ivermectin being used for humans, and then Don Lemon steamrolled him.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's, it's not true. So like, you know-
- TPTim Pool
But you, you did see that Sanjay wrote an op-ed. He was scared you were gonna jump the table.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was trying to be funny. He's not a fucking socially, uh, uh, you know, f- fluid guy. Or, you know, he's not... He's a fucking neurosurgeon, right?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, I can respect that.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's a, he's a guy that works 100 hours a week and he takes... He's, uh, actually deals with real patients. He's a really nice guy. Like, Sanjay's a very nice guy, but he's a little socially naive, I would say.
- TPTim Pool
It's just hard to give, give them the benefit of the doubt, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think of him as them. I think of him as a medical correspondent. He's a legitimate doctor. I think he can as-... Absolutely be led in a-... Astray and in a bad way, especially when you're doing those short m- clips. Like, when you call in to CNN. Like, he's somewhere remotely, looking into a camera, they're in his ear, and then Don Lemon or whoever the fuck else it is is on the other e- other line. It's-
- TPTim Pool
Well, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not the same. I-
- TPTim Pool
I, I had the privilege of being, uh... Going through that... A m- a mini saga of what you went through because you helped out when, when me and my, my crew got sick. And i- it was actually really interesting for me to experience this 'cause I knew they would lie about me. I, I even... In my, my r-... Like, my first video back after I got sick, I was like, you know, I knew the media was gonna say it was horse dewormer or whatever, but I actually wasn't. Like, I was actually fairly critical, and I have been always, of ivermectin, of the, um... I forgot what it's called. There's like a contrarian, uh, uh, it's a, it's a, it's, it's a, a reference to being contrarian where you just believe something is right because th- the establishment thinks it's, it's, it's wrong or whatever. And the media now still tries to claim that I've been gung-ho on ivermectin when I've actually been either neutral to slightly critical.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the n-... The evidence is not negative towards ivermectin, but it is muddy. And the reason why it's muddy is there's just like... There's not like real solid funded studies that make much sense. But they do know that it stops viral replication in vitro. We do know that they've treated at least 100, if not 200 congresspeople, um, who, uh, were sick pre-medica-... Or pre-vaccine. They treated them with ivermectin. We do know that, um, in... What, what is it called? Uh, Uttar Pradesh in India, they treated everyone with ivermectin. They handed out ivermectin to all these households as a preventative measure, and they essentially cured COVID in this one country.
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or it's one, uh, state rather, in India.
- TPTim Pool
Now, there's an interesting point that just came up today. I can't remember the guy's name. It might be Scott Alexander, I'm not sure. And they, they found a correlation between worms and parasites and curing COVID. So, one of the hypotheses for... Uh, it's Uttar Pradesh, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... people there have a high, uh, propensity for, for, you know, parasite infestation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
And so, if you've got worms and your, your immune system's being bogged down or strained, you get sick, you're more likely to die and have a serious reaction. You take ivermectin, you cure those worms, you have your, your immune system is more robust. I'm not saying it discredits everything-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, no, no. It stop, it stops viral replication.
- TPTim Pool
Right, so it's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it's not as simple as, like, you don't have worms anymore so your immune system is stronger. Because there's plenty of people that don't have worms that have an immune system that gets wrecked by COVID. What they're showing is that there's a direct correlation between taking ivermectin and having positive results. The problem is, so many b- th- like, m- my friend, um, who was it that went over the ... maybe it was Peter Attia? But he was saying that essentially the problem is that, that studies were so different, like some of them were taking it in prophylaxis, so they're taking it as a preventative measure, some of it were taking it in the early days of the COVID, uh, infection, some of them were taking it in the late days of the COVID infection. But here's the thing. What you took that's undeniable, what I took that's undeniable, is monoclonal antibodies.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And this was m- I, we, when I talked about the stuff that I took, I read off a laundry list of things, and all they concentrated on is ivermectin, and they said I was promoting ivermectin. This is clearly some sort of a campaign to discredit ivermectin, and if you, if you read the critical care, the frontline critical COVID care, uh, website or their, um, you could w- follow their Twitter feed as well, they talk about, and, uh, Dr. Pierre Kory has an article about how the FDA li- they, they targeted ivermectin. They actually targeted it as a drug to single out as being ineffective, while they don't say a goddamn thing about remdesivir.
- TPTim Pool
Correct.
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yes, they will. …
- TPTim Pool
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, they will.
- TPTim Pool
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
They won't ... Listen. They won't have the door open to sue the vaccine manufacturers.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But they will have the door open to sue the company.
- TPTim Pool
Do you know who Pete Parada is?... drummer of The Offspring, I believe he's h- he's their second drummer. He was kicked out of the band. He was fired because he had Guillain-Barré syndrome and could not get the vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So, they ... I, when I was a kid, The Offspring was my favorite band. I can play a b- bunch of their songs, all their big hits. And Ron Welty was their first drummer. So, I'm a fan of this band and then Pete Parada came in, I think this was in the early 2000s, and he plays with them for over a decade, almost two decades, or however long it's been. I'm not entirely sure when he joined the band. They, they fired him because he's medically unable to get a vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
And it's, like, remorseless. And I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know if you're right. Um, I think part of the problem is the d- the deal that he has with the promoters and the venues. Like, you have to be vaccinated-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for a lot of these venues. That's what it is. So, if he was non, non-vaccinated, and again, it's not logical, right? If he's non-vaccinated and he, uh, went to these places, they might kick him out-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and not allow him to perform.
- TPTim Pool
Well, New York has-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's places I can't perform. All right?
- TPTim Pool
You know, New York has an exemption for performers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I went there.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They tried to make an exemption against my exemption because I went there and I did Madison Square Garden, and then afterwards, a senator introduced a bill specifically with my name attached to it-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... saying people like Joe Rogan should not be able to come into our state and into our city and be unvaccinated and perform in New York City.
- TPTim Pool
Wow, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucking twats.
- TPTim Pool
Well, so, so, but, uh, going back to what Biden was saying with the, with the White House where he, you know, it was the deputy press secretary who said, "Yes, the, the, the courts have suspended this, but proceed anyway." Now, OSHA, I believe it was yesterday, issued an official statement on their website, "Due to the Fifth Circuit Court ruling putting a stay, we have suspended all implementation enforcement of the vaccine mandate."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they have to. I mean, it's, it's clearly unconstitutional. And then, when you take into account the fact that so many people do have natural immunity and that natural immunity is more effective, it's better for you. The CDC was actually forced to, uh, admit recently that they do not have recorded cases of some ... Now, I'll t- I'll, I'll give you the exact specifics of this. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's, uh, it's an interesting statement, like, what they said.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, it was something like, "People who have recovered from COVID have never transmitted it," or something?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, they said, but I don't know if that's true though. See, th- there's the thing. It's like, there's a big difference between something being true and something not being on record.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Here- …
- JRJoe Rogan
why they don't care if you have better protection naturally. It's a binary approach.
- TPTim Pool
Here-
- JRJoe Rogan
You must take the vaccine.
- TPTim Pool
One of my biggest pet peeves, I guess, is because, you know, we... on my show, for instance, we have this argument all the time about efficacy in vaccines and stuff. And it got to a point where I was like, "Yo, are we gonna actually debate the policy, the politics?" 'Cause I can tell you this, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, I can't tell you the nitty-gritty details of enzyme and protease and these... these are words I read in an article, but I am a, a... I think fair to say, an expert on being free. You know, I mean that somewhat facetiously. But if we're gonna talk about how we handle this, I think it's simple. The government can't mandate medical procedures. Have a nice day. We, we get into these arguments often and I, I think it's good to discuss efficacy, it's good to discuss v- vaccine injury and all this stuff. Absolutely. But I also think it's important to bring back, hey, how about I don't care if it's a flu shot, a, a, a, appenda- appendectomy or a COVID vaccine, the government should not mandate as a requirement for publ- public accommodation, you undergo an irreversible medical procedure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially when it's someone like Fauci, who's somehow or another tied into these companies. Like, it's not as simple as this guy has no... no one influencing him. That's not... it's not the case. And, you know, also with Gates, you know, like the, the fact that Bill Gates is prominently featured in the news talking constantly about vaccines.
- TPTim Pool
You wanna... you wanna flip your shit? In June of 2021, the FDA approved a drug to help treat weaponized smallpox. On November 9th of 2021, Bill Gates warned of smallpox terror attacks. And just the other day, the FBI found vials labeled smallpox at a lab in Philadelphia with another group of vials that said Vaccinia. The only smallpox that exists is at the CDC in deep freeze and in Russia. So this triggered a, a lockdown at the laboratory. No one knows, so far-
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't know what's in the vials yet. They just label-
- TPTim Pool
... is it actually smallpox?
- JRJoe Rogan
... label smallpox, yeah.
- TPTim Pool
So I don't... I, I, I, I re-... I... you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- TPTim Pool
... when, when the FDA approves a drug to treat weaponized smallpox, you have to ask yourself why they fear smallpox if it's been eradicated and only exists in, in government facilities in Russia and the US-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
... and why is Bill Gates warning about smallpox terrorism right then-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... you know, within a f-... it's been only a few days after Bill Gates said this, they find vials labeled smallpox. Look-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's real sketchy, but-
- TPTim Pool
Could be nothing, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's sketchy.
- TPTim Pool
... it's freaky.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bill, Bill Gates also invested, I believe it was $50 million in bi-... m- m-... look this up. BioNTech, September 2019. So he invested a large sum of money in the company that manufactures these vaccines literally when the pandemic broke out in Wuhan. Like, when the first cases were seen in Wuhan, they believe they'd narrowed that down to September of 2019. That is specifically when Bill Gates dumped a bunch of money in there. BioNTech announces new collaborations develop HIV and tuberculosis programs, so $100 million in total funding. The Bill & Melinda Gates, uh, Foundation invests $55 million in infectious disease collaboration that could reach up to $100 million in total funding. And they did that in September right before the, the shit hit the fan. Now, does that mean that he was... he had information that there was a breakout? No. But it do-... look, they, they did discuss this and, you know, Fauci was seen discussing these, uh, these things like... I'll, I'll send you a video.... Jamie, so I don't, uh ... 'cause I'm talking out of my ass right now. But that they were talking about, like, trying to find new ways to encourage people to take flu vaccines-
- TPTim Pool
University of-
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they need some sort of a novel, uh, approach to do that.
- TPTim Pool
... University of Denver has mandated the flu vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
University of Denver has?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah. I belie- I believe. We, you know, we, we, had a article published on my site about it. I think that's the obvious next step. It's, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
That universities mandate it? But I think they're already doing that, aren't they?
- TPTim Pool
No. No, I, I just mean that if you can mandate COVID vaccines, you can mandate all of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, that's, that's where the profit lies, right? In, in mandating vaccines. Because if you have 100 million people and you have 100 million doses of vaccine and you force these people to take that, th- that's just sheer profit.
- TPTim Pool
It's fucking crazy, man.
- 1:00:00 – 1:11:31
Mm-hmm. …
- TPTim Pool
I believe all of the people should hold in their hands the keys to the software to never be censored versus a private enterprise can make it and then sell it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
So that's more of, like ... Yeah, I had a, we had a big conver- uh, look, all, all due respect to Locals and to Rumble because I think it's absolutely phenomenal they exist. The competition is very important. But for me, I'm like, in 10 years, in 15 years, in 20 years, the same problems will exist. And I'll be completely honest with, you know, with ... I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I firmly believe Dave Rubin on Locals would absolutely ban ... There's probably 100 names I could say off. I'm not going to say. He would ban them in two seconds.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why?
- TPTim Pool
White nationalists.I don't believe Dave Rubin would allow white nationalists to, to profit off of locals. He would get an- annihilated in the press and then he'd have to intervene in some way. I- investors, he's got a, I'm assuming he has investors, I believe he got a big round of funding. You think these, these, these investors, wherever they're from, are gonna be like, "We appreciate that the white nationalists have found a new home base on this platform."
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that the slippery slope? Because when the ACLU was established, one of the things that they did, uh, uh, initially was to defend Nazis and the ability that Nazis have for s- for free speech. And that was a big controversial point because a lot of people were like, "Why would you ever defend Nazis?" And their position is that, "We are not defending Nazis' position. We are defending their ability to speak. Because if you do not defend their ability to have free speech, then you will not, it, it will not be available to everybody else as well. You'll find a way. You can find exceptions and exemptions. You'll find a way to limit free speech across the board." And we're seeing that.
- TPTim Pool
I agree 100%. And that was back when we had the American Civil Liberties Union, which unfortunately today is the Anti-Civil Liberties Union.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're weird now, right?
- TPTim Pool
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the, some of the things that they support, you know, like, like I read about it on Twitter, you're like, "What are you saying?"
- TPTim Pool
They did just defend James O'Keefe though and that is great-
- JRJoe Rogan
Great.
- TPTim Pool
... and I respect that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the James O'Keefe thing is fascinating, right? So there's a diary apparently that's missing and it's Joe Biden's daughter's diary. And in that di- diary, she has some d- depictions of abuse and she has some weird thing about, uh, her dad, right? And, uh, this diary went missing. So they've decided somehow or another that the Project Veritas people own it, they have possession of it.
- TPTim Pool
I got, I got a dark conspiracy theory on this one.
- JRJoe Rogan
But hold on. They, so they break into James O'Keefe's house early in the morning and, you know, like full-on FBI raid and they, they go through all of his in- information and take his phones and they don't find it, they don't find the diary. But since when has that been something that the FBI does?
- TPTim Pool
James O'Keefe says that he gave the diary to law enforcement, that they couldn't vet it. It was provided to them by someone who claims they had it, they sold it or it was, you know, they were looking to sell it, James got it, went through it and said, "Hmm, we're gonna give it to the police." The FBI raids the homes of several Veritas journalists, including James O'Keefe himself, and then almost immediately after the raids, The New York Times called the journalists for comment on getting raided, meaning someone who knew the raid happened slipped it to The New York Times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Then privileged communications between Veritas and their lawyers were somehow leaked to The New York Times. Most people believe, and it is alleged, that the FBI has been leaking legal communications, like the u- like this is beyond serious, to The New York Times. Veritas is in a lawsuit with The New York Times and they've been winning and doing very well against The New York Times for defamation. Now all of a sudden The New York Times has access to Veritas' lawyers' emails, emails between them and their lawyers. How do you handle a lawsuit like that now? I mean, th- this was the e-
- JRJoe Rogan
When you say they've been winning, like what, how have they been winning?
- TPTim Pool
It's very difficult to get beyond a motion to dismiss in a defamation case, especially when you're a high profile public figure. The, the, the, the, uh, judge sided with Veritas and they moved past, they denied a motion to dismiss, so it's actually moving forward, meaning they move to discovery next where they get to take New York Times journalists, sit them down under oath and have them answer questions on camera and in front of lawyers. The New York Times filed a stay to temporarily halt that process and a judge agreed, said, "Okay, we're gonna stay the, the discovery and we're gonna postpone this." Then the FBI raids Veritas and gives Veritas' legal communications to The New York Times, so it is alleged. Most people think that's the case, but, you know, for fairness, so it is alleged. This is, uh, one of the most, this is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard happen in this country for law enforcement to do, but I think it's worse than this. In October, at the end of October, an FBI whistleblower sent evidence that Merrick Garland and the, and the DOJ were targeting parents concerned about critical race theory using counterterror tactics. So this is a whistleblower at the FBI. We also know from the leaked communications that James O'Keefe was, uh, uh, was currently investigated-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you, you just glossed over that. Say, go back. Go back.
- TPTim Pool
I- at the end of October, a whistleblower within the FBI leaked communications to Republican m- members of Congress that Merrick Garland, the AG, the Department of Justice, was using counterterror tactics to target parents who are concerned about critical race theory.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why would they do that? Like what is, what's the motivation behind that?
- TPTim Pool
Well, they say it's because school board members and teachers have been intimidated and threatened because parents don't like the woke, you know, critical race theory stuff in schools. And I think those threats and any threats are bad. Using counterterror tactics, this is, this is confirmed. And, and Kevin McCarthy, by the way not a fan, issued a letter saying like, "We, we want Merrick Garland under oath back in front of Congress 'cause he lied, 'cause he said they weren't using counterterror tactics on parents."
- JRJoe Rogan
What are these tactics specifically?
- TPTim Pool
Labeling people under specific terror terms in their databases to start. There was a letter issued that basically referred, uh, first there was a letter issued that said the parents who are going to these meetings and who are, you know, protesting the stuff are committing like low-grade terrorism or something to that effect. Ameri-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but do we know that there's a, if there's something, some specific a- a- allegations or accusations outside of them just going to these board meetings? Is it possible that these parents are threatening these teachers in some sort of a...
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
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