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Back from Timcast IRL: chaotic multi-mic night and catching up
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello, Joe Rogan.
- TPTim Pool
How's it going, man?
- JRJoe Rogan
What's goin' on, buddy?
- TPTim Pool
I'm so excited. It's been like a year and a half.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's nice to see you. L- last night was fuckin' chaos.
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, you, you can't have like 10 people with microphones in a room in a trailer. (laughs)
- TPTim Pool
It was good, though, because Alex would just start screaming, "Ah!" if too many people talked at once.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
So he was acting like, you know, that buffer. Uh, thanks for coming, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was fun.
- TPTim Pool
It ended up being huge. We had like over a million people watch, and it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- TPTim Pool
... it was a cacophony of crazy voices, and I don't know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... if anyone learned anything, but you know, it was, it was fun.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just seeing Alex sitting next to Blaire White and-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then you and me and Luke, and it was just, it was wild.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Very fun.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was very silly.
- TPTim Pool
But, but seriously, thanks for coming, dog. W- when, when, uh, uh, it, it came together accidentally because one by one everyone wanted to come on the show on the same day. I felt bad for Blaire White because we had originally booked her, and then at the last minute, some ... I can't remember who it was, probably Luke, he was like, "Have you, have you asked Joe?" And I was like, "He's got a comedy show. He's too busy, but you know if you don't ask, the answer's always no." And then Joe's like, "Yeah, I'll come by. This will be great."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I worked it in. We got in. We, I had the podcast before then, so we were with my friend Ben, and we were hammered. So we-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
We had been drinking and smoking weed-
- TPTim Pool
I can explain this.
- 1:28 – 2:12
Rittenhouse verdict watch: why the case was framed as racial
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, we're s- we're sitting here waiting for this, uh, Rittenhouse, um, verdict, right, which is, uh, apparently gonna happen today maybe. And, uh, it, what's, what's interesting to me is that people are framing this as a race thing.
- TPTim Pool
From the beginning.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, and then m- many people are realizing now because they're paying attention to the trial that he actually shot white people. (laughs)
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, there's many people that thought that this Kyle Rittenhouse kid had shot Black protesters when in fact it was white Antifa rioters, and then if you look at their record, they were all criminals, like the people he shot.
- 2:12 – 6:06
Walking through the shootings: Rosenbaum, Huber, Grosskreutz and the timeline
- TPTim Pool
They were. Yeah, it, it ... That's a tough point. You know, Joseph Rosenbaum, and I don't know how, how graphic you want to get 'cause I ... Do you know this guy's history? The first guy who attacked Kyle who died, do you know his history?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, I do, but go ahead. Get graphic. Tell me.
- TPTim Pool
Graphic? He anally raped children.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
I believe he anally raped one little boy, and he performed oral on some- several little boys. Apparently, he would try and date single mothers to, uh, to, uh, sexually abuse their children. He- that was when he was a teenager, and then he went to prison, I believe it was for 15 years. Now, the details here get murky. I don't know exactly the ... They say he got out of a mental hospital that morning. This guy was not Antifa. He was not Black Lives Matter, at least in my opinion. I think this is a guy who was suicidal. He was screaming, "Shoot me, N-word. Shoot me, N-word," over and over again. He attacked a kid with a gun who was screaming, "Friendly, friendly, friendly," and running away and then tried grabbing it. And then within .739 of a second, Rittenhouse let off four shots a- as, as, uh, um, as Rosenbaum was reaching for his gun, as testified by Richie McGinnis, and he crumpled to the ground. And that's when these other guys, the whole mob ... You know, Kyle runs for the police, and then the rest of the mob starts running after him, like, "Get him. Cranium that boy. Get him, get him, get him." Anthony Huber is, is an interesting one 'cause he's the dude who hit him with a skateboard twice. People don't know this 'cause you'll hear from the conservatives like, "Oh, he was hitting him with a skateboard." And you see that photo of Rittenhouse on the ground. Apparently, he hit Rittenhouse from behind with a skateboard before Rittenhouse fell. He grabbed the gun. Rittenhouse fired one shot right into his heart, killed him instantly. Gaige Grosskreutz, the next guy, charged at Rittenhouse with a gun in his hand, and you want to know where it gets really crazy? Grosskreutz testified on the stand that he told police and he believed Kyle Rittenhouse said, "I'm working with the police," as he was running down the street 'cause Gaige Grosskreutz was running alongside him. Grosskreutz runs, runs back, turns around, and runs towards him, pulling his Glock 27 out from his waistband. That means Gaige Grosskreutz, if he's telling the truth and he's probably not, believed Kyle Rittenhouse was a police informant or in some way working with cops, so he should draw his Glock 27 on this kid and run up to him gun drawn. I mean, that's a crazy prospect. That's not someone sp-
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and this is the guy who got shot in the bicep?
- TPTim Pool
Shot in the bicep, yeah. This is not a guy who was, uh, uh, trying to stop a mass shooter. It's a guy who testified, "I was trying to," what? Attack a police informant or a cop or something like that. That's in the trial.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why do you think this has become a race thing? Is it because it was a Black Lives Matter protest?
- TPTim Pool
Man, this is crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, but was it ... Let, let's call it what it is. Is it a protest, or is it a riot?
- TPTim Pool
It's a riot.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a riot, right?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it seemed like ... But, but I mean, what was the scene? Were they lighting things on fire? Like, what was, what was the scene?
- TPTim Pool
Well, so I watched a lot of videos about it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... you know, same as many people, but I also interviewed seven different witnesses. We've had them on our show throughout, uh, right afterwards and throughout the year, and, uh, we have a collection of all this footage from all these guys. I mean, this was a pretty serious riot. What ... You know, when people say, like, "Why did Kyle Rittenhouse come out? Why did he have to have that gun," well, buildings had been burned down. But there was a viral video of a guy who looks ... I think he's in his 70s. I think he ... I, I could be getting, getting the details wrong, so you guys can fact-check me on this one. But he had like a mattress store that was on fire, and so he rushes to it as people are just running through the store and causing havoc. And he tries to stop them and grab them, and someone goes up behind him with a rock and bashes him over the back of the head, leaving him laying on the ground bleeding out.
- JRJoe Rogan
(gasps)
- TPTim Pool
I remember seeing that video and just being like, "Holy shit, dude." So you have to imagine, I mean, you're a kid. This is Kyle Rittenhouse. He wants to be a cop. He wants to be an EMT. And you hear the police aren't doing anything about it. The ... Literally, the police were just staying far away as things burned. Then you hear that h- he, his friend, Nick Smith, was offered money to protect the businesses, so they said, "We need to get a crew together to defend these businesses." And Kyle's 17. He had a legal gun.... the gun was legal. The judge ruled this and everybody-
- 6:06 – 7:55
Gun legality and ‘crossed state lines’: what Wisconsin law actually allowed
- JRJoe Rogan
So, so explain that, because I thought he wasn't old enough to carry.
- TPTim Pool
He... So, in Wisconsin, there's an exemption for rifles and shotguns if you're 16 or 17. It is believed the exemption is f- so that you can hunt-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... but it's not specifically about hunting.
- JRJoe Rogan
So open carry, um, is i- w- in Wisconsin if you're above 18, is that what it is?
- TPTim Pool
I don't know about open carry or-
- JRJoe Rogan
Concealed carry.
- TPTim Pool
... yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But, but be a... the ability to carry a weapon publicly, 'cause this is publicly, right?
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so, even though he's 17, there's an exemption that he's allowed to carry that weapon because of the fact that it's a rifle.
- TPTim Pool
It's a rifle greater than, I think, 26 inches.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if he was carrying a pistol, what he was doing was illegal.
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
But since he was carrying a rifle, it's legal. So 'cause-
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because people kept saying that he was carrying it illegally because he was 17, so that's not, in fact, true.
- TPTim Pool
Not true. And all the legal experts who are being honest about this from, from, from the fir- uh, the first day this happened immediately came out and said he was legally carrying that rifle. But I guess for the same reason people claimed Kyle Rittenhouse shot Black people, they claimed the gun was illegal.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I never heard anybody say that he shot Black people, but I think people just assumed that he shot Black people.
- TPTim Pool
There were, there-
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't think it was-
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't think most people are even aware of the details of this case, especially the people that... which is really disturbing, the people that are commenting on it in the media. Like Joe Scarborough got a bunch of shit wrong.
- TPTim Pool
Fired off 60 rounds.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, he just got a bunch of shit wrong.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like so many of the details wrong. Like he's a professional news guy. That's what he does. He's on... What is he, MSNBC?
- TPTim Pool
MSNBC Morning Joe. But-
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, how the fuck does his... I mean, he must have fact checkers and...
- 7:55 – 13:19
Trial coverage vs headlines: NPR/MSNBC reporting disputes and narrative incentives
- TPTim Pool
You wanna, you wanna hear some shit? I've- I've- I've been watching the trial livestream nonstop from start to finish.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
I've been reporting mostly on... covering mostly this and reading legal analysis from a variety of lawyers. There was a moment where it was really, really bad for the prosecution. One of their star witnesses, one of the, uh, uh, the men who... Gaige Grosskreutz, he's the guy who ran up with the Glock on, on Kyle Rittenhouse-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
... testified that it wasn't until he advanced on Kyle with his gun pointed at him-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... that Kyle shot him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
What did MSNBC report? What did NPR report? That he testified he raised his hands-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
... and with his hands up, Kyle shot him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, what the fuck are they doing? Are they just lying or are they doing it because... Uh, are they doing it for ratings? Are they doing it because they're misinformed? Like, what are they doing?
- TPTim Pool
I'll play... Uh, I'll, I'll try and be as fair as possible. Some have suggested that maybe Gaige Grosskreutz said, "My hands were up." He did say this, "My hands were up," and then they write, "Gaige Grosskreutz says his hands were up as he was being shot," and they sort of just did a bad job. But I don't give these people the benefit of the doubt when, you know, I'm watching this trial same as everybody else and when, the span of five, 10 minutes, he says it was... you know, the, the defense asked him, "You pointed your gun and then he shot you," and Gaige goes, "Correct." If i- if it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
... it was a mistake, they could have issued a correction and said, "Oh, he actually testified he advanced on him with a gun pointed towards him."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So I, I have to wonder if it's, uh, it's a cult, it's ideological, it's the refusal to accept you were wrong, and to perpetuate the, the, the narrative of your groupthink.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't even know if it's that or if they're just doing that because that's the way they, they get people to watch and pay attention, to, uh, reinforce this narrative that would be the most inflammatory and the most, uh, outrageous narrative, which is that this guy is just on a rampage and we're gonna let him off 'cause he's white. Like this is-
- TPTim Pool
You know, you know what I think? I think over the past several years these media organizations, they found they made a lot of money hating on, you know, quote unquote "the far right and Donald Trump," and so they embraced that narrative.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
What ends up happening is your core audience who actually wants news eventually grows wise to the fact that you're just spewing out a narrative and they leave. If you have a... if you have a viewership that's 80%, you know, moderate news-interested people and the only thing you say is, you know, "Trump is bad and the far right is bad," eventually you'll lose most of those moderates and retain a very left ideological group. Now NPR, CNN, MSNBC, that's their core audience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
If they come out now and say something honest like, "You know, it looks like Kyle Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense," they're gonna start losing even them and they're not gonna get back the people they lied to.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting.
- TPTim Pool
So it's almost like they dug themselves into a hole they can't get out of. But to be fair, Chris Hayes did say it's starting to look like an acquittal in all honesty.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But is he saying that because the judge is biased and it's w-... Or is he saying it because we're looking at the actual evidence?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because the actual evidence itself... Look, you know, I'm not exactly sure that this is a good thing that, you know, the news lies about all this sh-... I mean, I'm, I, I think it's terrible, right? I think it's, it's terrible that we can't trust them. But I wanna know like where is it coming from? Are they doing it... Are they being deceptive on purpose or are they misinformed? Are they... Like wh- where's it coming? Is it the, the, the producers not understanding what the fuck is going on? Do they wanna flavor the narrative that they think that their core audience, what you were talking about, the hardcore lefties, are gonna wanna hear and that's how they need to capture them? I mean, what are they doing exactly?
- 13:19 – 16:20
CNN, ‘horse dewormer,’ and Rogan’s media trust breaking point
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I, I never had that opinion of CNN until this whole horse dewormer thing with me.
- TPTim Pool
That crazy, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
I was like, "You guys are out of your fucking mind." But they-
- TPTim Pool
Yo, they-
- JRJoe Rogan
But not only that, it's, it, it's... It was so obviously a lie and repeated over and over and over and over again, and they kept using the horse term. Where it's like, you know, I, my... I have, uh, heartworm medication for my dog that I got. It's, uh, you know, just standard heartworm medication. Uh, I don't even know why we got it. He didn't have heartworms. I think it was, like, something we have, the preventative that we have just laying around. And I looked at it after all this bullshit was over, and I was like, "What's in here?" It was ivermectin.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ivermectin's in there. I'm like, "This is crazy." Like, I had no idea that this was laying around. Like, I never even purchased it. Someone else in my family purchased it.
- TPTim Pool
Did you know that... This is, this is true. Um, there is, uh, actually witnesses who have said Brian Stelter was drinking, um, a, a, a ba-... A corrosive battery chemical, a, a, a chemical used for cleaning corrosion off batteries. He was actually seen later cleaning a, an en-... Uh, drinking engine coolant.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, Coca-Cola-
- TPTim Pool
I'm talking about water, by the way.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the water?
- TPTim Pool
Exactly, exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
That's the game they play.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's not even the game. It's just lying. But-
- TPTim Pool
(laughs) Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
... the thing, the thing about it, what was weird is how coordinated it was, and how dumb it was that they were doing it to me. Like, it's like, do you not know that I can say that that's a lie? Do you not know that I have more people listening to me than you do?
- TPTim Pool
That-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what are you doing? They're not-
- TPTim Pool
They're just scared of getting sued.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's not even just they're not scared of getting sued. They're not scared of being publicly shamed for being full of shit. Like, it doesn't have any effect on them. But Don Lemon is the only dummy that actually commented on it. You know, when, uh, Sanjay Gupta went, "Actually, we should be clear that it is not a lie, that it's a horse dewormer."
- TPTim Pool
And Sanjay Gupta said, "That's true."
- JRJoe Rogan
No, that's not what he said. He said after that, "And it's also not cleared for use by the FDA," and he said, "That's true." That's what he said.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, he tried to talk about it again and talk about the horse dewormer part of it, about ivermectin being used for humans, and then Don Lemon steamrolled him.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's, it's not true. So like, you know-
- TPTim Pool
But you, you did see that Sanjay wrote an op-ed. He was scared you were gonna jump the table.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was trying to be funny. He's not a fucking socially, uh, uh, you know, f- fluid guy. Or, you know, he's not... He's a fucking neurosurgeon, right?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, I can respect that.
- 16:20 – 21:13
What helped when they got COVID: monoclonal antibodies, NAD+, and messy evidence debates
- TPTim Pool
I, I had the privilege of being, uh... Going through that... A m- a mini saga of what you went through because you helped out when, when me and my, my crew got sick. And i- it was actually really interesting for me to experience this 'cause I knew they would lie about me. I, I even... In my, my r-... Like, my first video back after I got sick, I was like, you know, I knew the media was gonna say it was horse dewormer or whatever, but I actually wasn't. Like, I was actually fairly critical, and I have been always, of ivermectin, of the, um... I forgot what it's called. There's like a contrarian, uh, uh, it's a, it's a, it's, it's a, a reference to being contrarian where you just believe something is right because th- the establishment thinks it's, it's, it's wrong or whatever. And the media now still tries to claim that I've been gung-ho on ivermectin when I've actually been either neutral to slightly critical.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the n-... The evidence is not negative towards ivermectin, but it is muddy. And the reason why it's muddy is there's just like... There's not like real solid funded studies that make much sense. But they do know that it stops viral replication in vitro. We do know that they've treated at least 100, if not 200 congresspeople, um, who, uh, were sick pre-medica-... Or pre-vaccine. They treated them with ivermectin. We do know that, um, in... What, what is it called? Uh, Uttar Pradesh in India, they treated everyone with ivermectin. They handed out ivermectin to all these households as a preventative measure, and they essentially cured COVID in this one country.
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or it's one, uh, state rather, in India.
- TPTim Pool
Now, there's an interesting point that just came up today. I can't remember the guy's name. It might be Scott Alexander, I'm not sure. And they, they found a correlation between worms and parasites and curing COVID. So, one of the hypotheses for... Uh, it's Uttar Pradesh, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... people there have a high, uh, propensity for, for, you know, parasite infestation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
And so, if you've got worms and your, your immune system's being bogged down or strained, you get sick, you're more likely to die and have a serious reaction. You take ivermectin, you cure those worms, you have your, your immune system is more robust. I'm not saying it discredits everything-
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, no, no. It stop, it stops viral replication.
- TPTim Pool
Right, so it's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it's not as simple as, like, you don't have worms anymore so your immune system is stronger. Because there's plenty of people that don't have worms that have an immune system that gets wrecked by COVID. What they're showing is that there's a direct correlation between taking ivermectin and having positive results. The problem is, so many b- th- like, m- my friend, um, who was it that went over the ... maybe it was Peter Attia? But he was saying that essentially the problem is that, that studies were so different, like some of them were taking it in prophylaxis, so they're taking it as a preventative measure, some of it were taking it in the early days of the COVID, uh, infection, some of them were taking it in the late days of the COVID infection. But here's the thing. What you took that's undeniable, what I took that's undeniable, is monoclonal antibodies.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And this was m- I, we, when I talked about the stuff that I took, I read off a laundry list of things, and all they concentrated on is ivermectin, and they said I was promoting ivermectin. This is clearly some sort of a campaign to discredit ivermectin, and if you, if you read the critical care, the frontline critical COVID care, uh, website or their, um, you could w- follow their Twitter feed as well, they talk about, and, uh, Dr. Pierre Kory has an article about how the FDA li- they, they targeted ivermectin. They actually targeted it as a drug to single out as being ineffective, while they don't say a goddamn thing about remdesivir.
- TPTim Pool
Correct.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remdesivir is something that they prescribed for COVID early on that causes kidney failure. Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
You know, I, I, I don't like to believe in coordinated campaigns, grand, you know, schemes or anything like that. But I, this is, this is why I was, like, basically bringing it up as, 'cause I, like, even right here, I'm like, "Well, there's a possibility, you know, worms." I'm even somewhat, I'm kind of a, you know, middle of the road guy. I tweeted, "Monoclonal antibodies saved me, in my opinion." This is the, and the-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... and the NAD+ was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Huge.
- TPTim Pool
That, that popped me back up. And what are they writing about? Th- there's a new article where they're like, "Far right Tim Pool is the poster boy of ivermectin."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- TPTim Pool
But this is what I think-
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's, they only do that to get people to click on things. And by the way, you're not, how the fuck are you far right?
- TPTim Pool
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You're, you're so not, it's such a lie.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Make sure that what I'm saying about remdesivir is true, because I'm, I'm 90% sure that they stopped prescribing remdesivir for COVID, and I believe the problem was people were having kidney problems.
- TPTim Pool
I feel like when I s- when I see articles making those claims, it's about discrediting ivermectin.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Exactly.
- 21:13 – 29:22
Remdesivir, VAERS, and the difficulty of verifying ‘what’s true’ in real time
- TPTim Pool
Oh. Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- TPTim Pool
Oh, there it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Lung and kidney damage caused by COVID-9, -19 not antiviral drug. Lungs filling up with fluid and kidney failure are actually side effects of remdesivir.
- NANarrator
That's the claim.
- TPTim Pool
The facts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, claim. Whose is, where is this from?
- NANarrator
The AP.
- JRJoe Rogan
AP, yeah. Uh, AP's assessment, "False. Critical COVID-19, not the drug remdesivir, is known to cause fluid in the lungs and re-" Okay.
- TPTim Pool
But I don't think that's true.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I've read something about remdesivir specifically causing kidney problems. The problem with all these fucking things is you never know who's full of shit and who's not.
- TPTim Pool
But wait, wait, wait. I, I, I've never s-
- NANarrator
This says renal failure.
- TPTim Pool
... I've never heard that, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, go to that. That's a PubMed. There it is. "Remdesivir and Acute Renal Failure: A Potential Study, uh, Safety Signal from Disproportionately Analysis of the WHO Safety Database." Okay, so now, now we're talking.
- TPTim Pool
So what's the, you wanna scroll down to the conclusion?
- JRJoe Rogan
So this is, this is a PubMed study. So this is, this is what, what I'm gonna buy into.
- TPTim Pool
No conclusion? Just the abstract, so.
- NANarrator
That's a lot.
- TPTim Pool
Well, so, it, it, I don't know, I don't, we don't know what it says.
- JRJoe Rogan
See if you can find something else, Jimmy.
- TPTim Pool
But I will say, I've never heard of renal failure from COVID. That's insane. I mean, if we, if we were talking about COVID-19 could kill your kidneys, I think people would be freaking out a little bit more.
- JRJoe Rogan
Maybe it kills kidneys in some people.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it's, it has different reactions in different people. Some people lose their sense of smell. Some people don't feel anything from that. It's, it's, it's a fucking weird disease, man.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's weird.
- TPTim Pool
Oh, uh, I'll just, I, I won't get too personal on the details. But it, w- the symptoms that I had, like my veins felt like they were being stabbed. Like, every vein in my body was i- like, I just, it's, it's hard to explain.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really? Your veins felt like they were being stabbed?
- TPTim Pool
Oh yeah. This is the worst. So look, I've had, I, when I had the flu, I used to describe it, the flu is the worst thing I've ever experienced in terms of an illness. I was, uh, you know, 18. I'm sitting on my couch, shaking, shivering pale. I lost 10 pounds, like in three days, just like, I w- I was, it was bad, the flu. So when I got COVID, it was a Wednesday. I felt fine. And I didn't know I had it, 'cause, you know, we had a scare, but we had four negative tests, so we were like, "It's probably a cold going around. It's not COVID."
- 29:22 – 46:25
Mandates, natural immunity, and global coercion: what counts as ‘vaccinated’
- TPTim Pool
Yeah, well, there's, there's actually, I guess, big news on that. The, the vaccine mandate was just suspended, uh, right by OSHA.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's not legal.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's unconstitutional.
- TPTim Pool
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
So to, to be able to say ... Now, here's the problem. Joe Biden and his fucking infinite dementia has decided to tell people to ignore that and you should still, um, enforce the mandate. Now, the problem with that is if these companies do that and people get vaccine injured, and they will. Some people will, you know.
- TPTim Pool
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not a large percentage, but some people are gonna suffer, uh, some sort of a vaccine injury. Those people now will have the door open to sue the company.
- TPTim Pool
Will they, though?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, they will.
- TPTim Pool
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
They won't ... Listen. They won't have the door open to sue the vaccine manufacturers.
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But they will have the door open to sue the company.
- TPTim Pool
Do you know who Pete Parada is?... drummer of The Offspring, I believe he's h- he's their second drummer. He was kicked out of the band. He was fired because he had Guillain-Barré syndrome and could not get the vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
So, they ... I, when I was a kid, The Offspring was my favorite band. I can play a b- bunch of their songs, all their big hits. And Ron Welty was their first drummer. So, I'm a fan of this band and then Pete Parada came in, I think this was in the early 2000s, and he plays with them for over a decade, almost two decades, or however long it's been. I'm not entirely sure when he joined the band. They, they fired him because he's medically unable to get a vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
And it's, like, remorseless. And I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't know if you're right. Um, I think part of the problem is the d- the deal that he has with the promoters and the venues. Like, you have to be vaccinated-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... for a lot of these venues. That's what it is. So, if he was non, non-vaccinated, and again, it's not logical, right? If he's non-vaccinated and he, uh, went to these places, they might kick him out-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and not allow him to perform.
- TPTim Pool
Well, New York has-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's places I can't perform. All right?
- TPTim Pool
You know, New York has an exemption for performers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I went there.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They tried to make an exemption against my exemption because I went there and I did Madison Square Garden, and then afterwards, a senator introduced a bill specifically with my name attached to it-
- 46:25 – 49:41
Smallpox fears, Gates investments, and ‘disruptive’ vaccine talk
- TPTim Pool
You wanna... you wanna flip your shit? In June of 2021, the FDA approved a drug to help treat weaponized smallpox. On November 9th of 2021, Bill Gates warned of smallpox terror attacks. And just the other day, the FBI found vials labeled smallpox at a lab in Philadelphia with another group of vials that said Vaccinia. The only smallpox that exists is at the CDC in deep freeze and in Russia. So this triggered a, a lockdown at the laboratory. No one knows, so far-
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't know what's in the vials yet. They just label-
- TPTim Pool
... is it actually smallpox?
- JRJoe Rogan
... label smallpox, yeah.
- TPTim Pool
So I don't... I, I, I, I re-... I... you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well-
- TPTim Pool
... when, when the FDA approves a drug to treat weaponized smallpox, you have to ask yourself why they fear smallpox if it's been eradicated and only exists in, in government facilities in Russia and the US-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TPTim Pool
... and why is Bill Gates warning about smallpox terrorism right then-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... you know, within a f-... it's been only a few days after Bill Gates said this, they find vials labeled smallpox. Look-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's real sketchy, but-
- TPTim Pool
Could be nothing, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's sketchy.
- TPTim Pool
... it's freaky.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bill, Bill Gates also invested, I believe it was $50 million in bi-... m- m-... look this up. BioNTech, September 2019. So he invested a large sum of money in the company that manufactures these vaccines literally when the pandemic broke out in Wuhan. Like, when the first cases were seen in Wuhan, they believe they'd narrowed that down to September of 2019. That is specifically when Bill Gates dumped a bunch of money in there. BioNTech announces new collaborations develop HIV and tuberculosis programs, so $100 million in total funding. The Bill & Melinda Gates, uh, Foundation invests $55 million in infectious disease collaboration that could reach up to $100 million in total funding. And they did that in September right before the, the shit hit the fan. Now, does that mean that he was... he had information that there was a breakout? No. But it do-... look, they, they did discuss this and, you know, Fauci was seen discussing these, uh, these things like... I'll, I'll send you a video.... Jamie, so I don't, uh ... 'cause I'm talking out of my ass right now. But that they were talking about, like, trying to find new ways to encourage people to take flu vaccines-
- TPTim Pool
University of-
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they need some sort of a novel, uh, approach to do that.
- TPTim Pool
... University of Denver has mandated the flu vaccine.
- JRJoe Rogan
University of Denver has?
- TPTim Pool
Yeah. I belie- I believe. We, you know, we, we, had a article published on my site about it. I think that's the obvious next step. It's, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
That universities mandate it? But I think they're already doing that, aren't they?
- TPTim Pool
No. No, I, I just mean that if you can mandate COVID vaccines, you can mandate all of them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think that's, that's, that's where the profit lies, right? In, in mandating vaccines. Because if you have 100 million people and you have 100 million doses of vaccine and you force these people to take that, th- that's just sheer profit.
- TPTim Pool
It's fucking crazy, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's a lot ... It's pretty wild, man. I mean, it really is.
- TPTim Pool
Do you-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's w- It's weird to watch it all happen.
- 49:41 – 56:16
Animal experimentation ethics: beagle research, primates, and lack of public oversight
- TPTim Pool
Do you hear about that, the, the research, the NID, uh, NIAID was funding on the beagles?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, I did.
- TPTim Pool
What do you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Horrible.
- TPTim Pool
What do ... So, uh, actually, you know, self-promotion, we just published an exclusive on timkast.com. Fauci had been funding ... Oh, I should say, the NIAID has been funding maximum pain research on primates in, I believe it's an island off South Carolina, where they basically induce as much pain as possible to see how these animals react. And we, we, we're getting these stories. You know, we published this. You have the beagle story. But there is a, a very serious question about the limitations of science, like the ethics of it. The, the thing is, we, we, we have, we have greatly benefited from animal experimentation to a horrifying degree in like, as what we do to these animals. And a lot of people are happy to just live their lives and not knowing anything about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
I, I wonder what it's, what impact it will have now that we're discovering, you know, pain research and botfly research on beagles or whatever. Is that gonna result in people actually saying, you know, "We, we would rather have less scientific progress on these things if it means we're not torturing animals to this degree."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the thing is, there's not a lot of oversight. So, people don't hear about it. You know, that's, that's the, the pro- ... Here, I'm gonna f- ... I found it. Let me go send this to you, Jamie. The, the problem is, it's like, who is, uh, who is informing people of all these, uh, experiments while they're happening? Very f- ... You know, very few people are actually getting informed of them while it's h- ... You find out later. You know, someone has to be a whistleblower, and then they ... But meanwhile, the, the st- studies are ongoing. So, it's not like there's clear oversight and it's not like the public, the public gets to vote on what they think is ethical or what-
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they don't think is ethical. When they think that studies need to be done in order to prevent some sort of an outbreak or save people from something, and then they do these studies, whether it's on primates or beagles or whatever, you really don't hear about it until after it's happened.
- TPTim Pool
Right. Or, I mean, to be honest, you never hear about it. You just benefit from the research.
- JRJoe Rogan
Watch this video, 'cause this is kinda crazy.
- NANarrator
Why don't we blow the system up? I mean, obviously we can't just turn off the spigot on the system we have and then say, "Hey, everyone in the world should get this new vaccine we haven't given to anyone else."
- JRJoe Rogan
This is universal flu vaccine they're talking about.
- NANarrator
But there must be some way that ... We grow vaccines mostly in eggs, the way we did in 1947.
In order to make the transition from getting out of the tried and true egg-growing, which we know gives us results that can be, you know, beneficial, I mean, we've done well with that, to something that has to be much better. Uh, you have to prove that this works and then you've got to go through all of the clinical trials, phase ones, phase twos, phase three, and then show that this particular product is gonna be good over a period of years. That alone, if it works perfectly, is gonna take a decade.
There might be a need or even an urgent call for, uh, an entity-
Right.
... of excitement out there that's completely disruptive, that's not beholden to bureaucratic strings and, and, and processes.
So, we really do have a problem of how the world perceives influenza and it's gonna be very difficult to change that unless you do it from within and say, "I don't care what your perception is, we're gonna address the problem in a disruptive way and in an iterative way," because you do need both.
But it is not too crazy to think that an outbreak of a novel avian virus could occur in, in China somewhere. We could get the RNA sequence from that, beam it to a number of regional centers, if not local, if not even in your home at some point, and print those vaccines on a patch and self-admin-
- TPTim Pool
You wanna hear some shit? The second guy speaking, Rick Bright, he was the, uh ... I think he's the director of BARDA. BARDA is who made the weaponized smallpox drug.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ.
- TPTim Pool
(laughs) So, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
The way that guy's talking-
- TPTim Pool
You know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, the way these guys talk about trying to trick people into, or convince people into taking these things and to, to be disruptive and to say, you know, "We're gonna ..." I mean, it's, it ... Just the admission that to do it correctly takes 10 years.
- TPTim Pool
Yup.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's why the emergency use authorization was required to get this vaccine promoted so quickly. In any other circumstance-
- TPTim Pool
Oh, yeah.
- 56:16 – 1:01:56
‘Far right’ labels and Tim’s politics: free speech markets vs decentralization
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what are you? What do you consider yourself?
- TPTim Pool
You know, you wanna know my real politics? I took a-
- JRJoe Rogan
No. I wanna know your fake politics.
- TPTim Pool
My fake politics are, uh, um, I'm an astronaut, I'm a ... No, uh, like my actual core ideals when it ... When I s- when I say real politics, like when it comes to policy, which we don't discuss that often, I'm decently far left. And that, and that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's what's ridiculous about them calling you far right.
- TPTim Pool
But far right and left, like what do they even mean? I guess it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just talking points so that people can get people to click on things, 'cause it makes you look like an asshole. So if they say far right podcaster Tim Pool is the new poster boy for ivermectin, that's like, "Oh, what an asshole. Let me click on this guy."
- TPTim Pool
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Shit."
- TPTim Pool
I can actually break down my politics. Uh, I believe in the truth. I think the establishment is trash. I think the Republican Party is trash as much as Democrats, but populists got their foot in the door more so than the left populists got in the Democratic Party. But, um, I, I can give you a really good example of how, like, my, my sort of like more lefty view of things in terms of economics. Uh, Dave Rubin, he had Locals, and they sold to Rumble recently. Did you hear about this?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- TPTim Pool
So Locals was started by Dave Rubin and, uh, and I'll probably get some of the details wrong, so, um, but, you know, 'cause I'm not trying to get it wrong to disparage Dave or anything. But Patreon bans a bunch of people, and abruptly, and it scares people because Patreon is where, um, podcasters and personalities get subscription revenue to live their lives. So Dave announces he's starting his own version which will, you know, you'll control your data and you'll control your rules.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, Bridget Phetasy's on it.
- TPTim Pool
Right, Michael Malice-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... and Tulsi Gabbard. A lot of people sign up for this and use this service same as they would Patreon. Dave Rubin sold the company to Rumble, which is the video platform. I like Rumble. I like, uh, uh, uh, Locals. However, that made me angry. And I had a con- we, we, we did, we did a segment on this on my show where we discussed the politics of what Dave Rubin did, and I-
- JRJoe Rogan
W- why'd it make you angry?
- TPTim Pool
I fully respect enterprise free market capitalism and that Dave's perspective was, "If people need a service, I will provide it and make myself some money and sell it." I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
So what's the problem?
- TPTim Pool
I'm a lefty. I believe that the, the immediate approach should've been, when this problem occurred and people were getting censored, a decentralized technology that is uncensorable that we give to the people for free. I understand it's not easy just to make free things, but my immediate reaction was to start a nonprofit, which we have, called the ON Foundation, where we have been building out a, a decentralized, open-source networking technology. We will give you the program to install on your own server or a hosted server, whatever you wanna do, you press Enter, and boom, you have your own subscription website instantly. We are streamlining it for free, because I look at it like, if the powers that be in the elites can control our thoughts and control what we have to say, uh, pr- creating a new Patreon won't solve that problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but isn't Rumble committed to free speech? Like, that is, like, basically-
- TPTim Pool
And then-
- JRJoe Rogan
... the premise of their platform, right?
- TPTim Pool
And then they sell to whatever company or the leadership-
- JRJoe Rogan
If they do.
- TPTim Pool
... changes.
- JRJoe Rogan
If they do that, then-
- TPTim Pool
I like Rumble. I use Rumble. But the issue I see here is there is a weakness that can strip away the rights of the people through private centralization of these platforms.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
And so my view, as someone who leans more towards decentralized authority and i- it's, it's more of a lefty position is, I'm not going to profit off of the fact that people are having their ideas and they're, and they're, you know, censored.
- 1:01:56 – 1:19:50
Project Veritas, FBI raids, and press protections: diary case or pretext?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the James O'Keefe thing is fascinating, right? So there's a diary apparently that's missing and it's Joe Biden's daughter's diary. And in that di- diary, she has some d- depictions of abuse and she has some weird thing about, uh, her dad, right? And, uh, this diary went missing. So they've decided somehow or another that the Project Veritas people own it, they have possession of it.
- TPTim Pool
I got, I got a dark conspiracy theory on this one.
- JRJoe Rogan
But hold on. They, so they break into James O'Keefe's house early in the morning and, you know, like full-on FBI raid and they, they go through all of his in- information and take his phones and they don't find it, they don't find the diary. But since when has that been something that the FBI does?
- TPTim Pool
James O'Keefe says that he gave the diary to law enforcement, that they couldn't vet it. It was provided to them by someone who claims they had it, they sold it or it was, you know, they were looking to sell it, James got it, went through it and said, "Hmm, we're gonna give it to the police." The FBI raids the homes of several Veritas journalists, including James O'Keefe himself, and then almost immediately after the raids, The New York Times called the journalists for comment on getting raided, meaning someone who knew the raid happened slipped it to The New York Times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Then privileged communications between Veritas and their lawyers were somehow leaked to The New York Times. Most people believe, and it is alleged, that the FBI has been leaking legal communications, like the u- like this is beyond serious, to The New York Times. Veritas is in a lawsuit with The New York Times and they've been winning and doing very well against The New York Times for defamation. Now all of a sudden The New York Times has access to Veritas' lawyers' emails, emails between them and their lawyers. How do you handle a lawsuit like that now? I mean, th- this was the e-
- JRJoe Rogan
When you say they've been winning, like what, how have they been winning?
- TPTim Pool
It's very difficult to get beyond a motion to dismiss in a defamation case, especially when you're a high profile public figure. The, the, the, the, uh, judge sided with Veritas and they moved past, they denied a motion to dismiss, so it's actually moving forward, meaning they move to discovery next where they get to take New York Times journalists, sit them down under oath and have them answer questions on camera and in front of lawyers. The New York Times filed a stay to temporarily halt that process and a judge agreed, said, "Okay, we're gonna stay the, the discovery and we're gonna postpone this." Then the FBI raids Veritas and gives Veritas' legal communications to The New York Times, so it is alleged. Most people think that's the case, but, you know, for fairness, so it is alleged. This is, uh, one of the most, this is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard happen in this country for law enforcement to do, but I think it's worse than this. In October, at the end of October, an FBI whistleblower sent evidence that Merrick Garland and the, and the DOJ were targeting parents concerned about critical race theory using counterterror tactics. So this is a whistleblower at the FBI. We also know from the leaked communications that James O'Keefe was, uh, uh, was currently investigated-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you, you just glossed over that. Say, go back. Go back.
- TPTim Pool
I- at the end of October, a whistleblower within the FBI leaked communications to Republican m- members of Congress that Merrick Garland, the AG, the Department of Justice, was using counterterror tactics to target parents who are concerned about critical race theory.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why would they do that? Like what is, what's the motivation behind that?
- TPTim Pool
Well, they say it's because school board members and teachers have been intimidated and threatened because parents don't like the woke, you know, critical race theory stuff in schools. And I think those threats and any threats are bad. Using counterterror tactics, this is, this is confirmed. And, and Kevin McCarthy, by the way not a fan, issued a letter saying like, "We, we want Merrick Garland under oath back in front of Congress 'cause he lied, 'cause he said they weren't using counterterror tactics on parents."
- JRJoe Rogan
What are these tactics specifically?
- TPTim Pool
Labeling people under specific terror terms in their databases to start. There was a letter issued that basically referred, uh, first there was a letter issued that said the parents who are going to these meetings and who are, you know, protesting the stuff are committing like low-grade terrorism or something to that effect. Ameri-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but do we know that there's a, if there's something, some specific a- a- allegations or accusations outside of them just going to these board meetings? Is it possible that these parents are threatening these teachers in some sort of a...
- TPTim Pool
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
Yeah. There, there have been videos of parents walking up to cars and screaming, "You MFer," you know, all that stuff. So like I said, look, threats are bad, don't intimidate, don't threaten people, but the use of counterterror tactics on American citizens is alarming. Now I'm not, I'm not trying to hash that whole debate. This is about James O'Keefe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TPTim Pool
... the New York Times made reference to the fact that James O'Keefe was conducting investigations into the FBI. And the legal communications in question they got access to was James O'Keefe's, uh, uh, uh, h- his, h- his team asking the lawyers, "To what extent are we allowed to secretly record federal law enforcement?" And they said, "Woof, dangerous territory." So I'm just speculating, but if you have an FBI whistleblower leaking to the Republicans, is it possible that when James O'Keefe and Veritas said, "We, we want federal law enforcement whistleblowers and are investigating," that the FBI's true reason for raiding Veritas was because they knew a whistleblower was leaking key details that the pr- that they didn't want the public to have. But they didn't know what Veritas had on them.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- TPTim Pool
So they used the Ashley Biden diary as a pretext, because it makes no sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- TPTim Pool
The fact that the ACLU, these other free pres- Trevor Timm of, of Free Press, that they're gonna come out and say, "What is the FBI doing-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TPTim Pool
"... to raid a journalist over a journalistic activity." I'm not saying I know for sure. Not a big fan-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. And-
- TPTim Pool
... of drawing conclusions, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
That does make more sense, right? That that would be a, a way they could find out what they had on them w- when, so a false premise for investigation.
- TPTim Pool
And-
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