Joe Rogan Experience #1746 - Blaire White

1. 0:00 – 1:23

   UFO abduction lore: Travis Walton and why these stories persist

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. BWBlaire White0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) So this dude right here is Travis Walton, and he is one of the most famous UFO abduction, I don't know if you wanna say victim, guys with the story.

   4. BWBlaire White0:23

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      And he gave me a bobble head.

   6. BWBlaire White0:26

      That's awesome.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      You ever see that movie ... What was the movie called?

   8. NANarrator0:28

      Fire in the Sky.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Fire in the Sky.

   10. BWBlaire White0:29

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Yeah. That's about him. In the 19-

   12. BWBlaire White0:32

       Oh, it's about him.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yes. In the 1970s, he was a logger in Arizona, and they saw this light in the sky. It came down, they went to see what is was. It was this craft, and he was a young, you know, according to him, just kind of a knucklehead, and he got a little close to it. That's the movie. And he got close to it, and when he got close to it, uh, supposedly, according to him, some burst of energy came from the thing and knocked him back and knocked him unconscious. All his friends took off. They, they panicked, including one guy who hated him, one guy who actually got into a fistfight with him that day. So it's not like these are his friends that he like, had this coordinated-

   14. BWBlaire White1:11

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       ... story with. Um, they s- they took off, they were freaking out, and then they came to their senses like, "We gotta go back. We can't leave him there." They went back. He was gone.

   16. BWBlaire White1:20

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       And he was gone for five days. I believe it was five days.

2. 1:23 – 2:54

   Psychics, mediums, and the business of belief

   1. BWBlaire White1:23

      I have always been fascinated with UFO shit, but I feel like so many people lie and it makes it so hard. Like I literally lied about it when I was a kid.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:30

      Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

   3. BWBlaire White1:30

      I remember like being in the car and like I was probably eight or nine and I was like, "I should just tell people I saw a UFO."

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      Yeah.

   5. BWBlaire White1:35

      So I said to my mom, "I saw a UFO," as we're driving, and then that was my story for years, until I was like 13.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:40

      Yeah. It's ... it gets you extra attention. That's the problem with fantastical tales, whether it's ghosts or psychics or any of that stuff.

   7. BWBlaire White1:48

      I was gonna say psychics, same as psychics.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      Yeah.

   9. BWBlaire White1:49

      It makes you special, makes you-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Yeah.

   11. BWBlaire White1:51

       ... a guru.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       I have a buddy of mine who fucking full on believes in psychics. He's like, "Bro, the psychic knew all about my grandmother."

   13. BWBlaire White1:57

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       And I go, "Don't you know-

   15. BWBlaire White1:58

       That's my mom.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       ... about your grandmother?"

   17. BWBlaire White1:58

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       I go, "You know about your grandmother, right?"

   19. BWBlaire White2:00

       "Don't you know her?"

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       I go, "So what the fuck?"

   21. BWBlaire White2:03

       Exactly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       "Tell this person to tell you some shit you don't know."

   23. BWBlaire White2:05

       Right. So that's my mom. So my mom, as long as I've been alive, has been super into mediums, psychics-

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       Hm.

   25. BWBlaire White2:13

       ... had them around. And like I've always just felt like that shit was bullshit because they would tell her things that I just knew weren't true. So like when my dad died, she sought out this medium who claimed to connect with him, and the medium wrote her a letter that was things from my dad that he was saying to her from beyond, right? And like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Like what kind of stuff?

   27. BWBlaire White2:29

       That's the thing. It was nothing he would've ever said. It was like ... I don't even remember. It was just some fluffy bullshit. My dad was not a fluffy person.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:36

       (laughs)

   29. BWBlaire White2:36

       And it was like, "This bitch is lying to you," but it's disrespectful. It's crazy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:40

       Maybe he got fluffy once he died.
3. 2:54 – 5:45

   Are “the grays” just future humans? Evolution, breeding, and CRISPR

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:54

      (laughs) Do you, uh, think that one of these things ... This is, uh, Travis Walton's aliens. Do you think that this ... This is the thing, the problem that I have with these little aliens, is that they make sense. It's like this is w- this is what we're gonna look like one day.

   2. BWBlaire White3:10

      You actually see humanity slowly morphing into this.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      Yeah.

   4. BWBlaire White3:13

      Everyone's becoming a little more feminized.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      Yeah.

   6. BWBlaire White3:15

      Everyone's becoming a little smaller.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:16

      Yeah. And I think our heads are getting bigger. They definitely are from the time when we were lower primates.

   8. BWBlaire White3:21

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      And I think that if they can figure out a way to replace breeding, right? Like part of the problem that people have is the instinct to breed. And like we have the same, the same biological impulses that animals that can't talk have, right? The, the, the idea is to protect your young, to make sure that you can pass on your genes, to defend your territory against intruders.

   10. BWBlaire White3:48

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       That's the same, the same instincts that chimps have, but yet we have nuclear weapons and cell phones.

   12. BWBlaire White3:53

       Yeah. When, when you look at, you know, little aliens like that, it's like you just have this almost like inner feeling like, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       I think it does. I think-

   14. BWBlaire White4:01

       And then you see ancient like archeological drawings and art and it's like, "Why have they just kinda always been around?" I don't know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       Yeah.

   16. BWBlaire White4:07

       But ...

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:08

       That image has always been around.

   18. BWBlaire White4:09

       Yeah. I b- I believe in them more than I believe in psychics, I'll say that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       I don't necessarily not believe in psychics, but I don't believe the ones that are getting paid that have like a neon sign outside their house.

   20. BWBlaire White4:19

       Oh yeah, for sure.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       (laughs)

   22. BWBlaire White4:20

       And, and ... But that's what's like even more unbelievable is that people would believe it. Like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Well, the, the crazy thing is imagine if it was true, if like that was the best psychic, if it was actually just a person who had a house.

   24. BWBlaire White4:32

       If they just literally- (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       And they didn't care if you believe them or not believe them.

   26. BWBlaire White4:34

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       But you go in there ... I mean, that would be like a Stephen King movie, right? You go in there and they really do know some things. They touch your hand and they really can see your past and see your future and see where you're going.

   28. BWBlaire White4:42

       Palm reading, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:43

       Yeah.

   30. BWBlaire White4:43

       I don't know. I've always avoided that shit 'cause I actually talked to a psychic on my YouTube channel and she told me I was gonna get pregnant, so-
4. 5:45 – 14:14

   Nature as the real alien world: sharks, deep-sea monsters, and octopus intelligence

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      Like a shark. Do you know like sharks-

   2. BWBlaire White5:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      Sharks will eat their siblings-

   4. BWBlaire White5:49

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:49

      ... inside the womb.... there's like, I don't know if it's true. I've never even found out if it was true.

   6. BWBlaire White5:52

      Well, I've heard it. So, if it's, if it's not true-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:54

      Right.

   8. BWBlaire White5:54

      ... people just say it, which is most things.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:55

      Yeah. But I mean, what I meant was, there's like, an X-ray of sharks in the womb, and they're all like, ah, mouth open, like a bunch of them swimming around together. I'm like, "I wonder if that's real or that's horse shit." I never looked it-

   10. BWBlaire White6:05

       I don't know.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Jamie will find out.

   12. BWBlaire White6:07

       I don't know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       Whenever I have questions, I don't even bother Googling them. I just wait till I come to work.

   14. BWBlaire White6:11

       Exactly.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       Then I ask Jamie.

   16. BWBlaire White6:12

       Exactly.

   17. NANarrator6:13

       Seems accurate.

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Does it really?

   19. NANarrator6:14

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Is there an image of it that's real?

   21. NANarrator6:16

       Oh, well...

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:17

       That's what I'm talking about.

   23. NANarrator6:18

       I- You gotta get it on tape. That's a different thing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       There was an X-ray image of like, looked like a womb-

   25. NANarrator6:23

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       ... filled with a bunch of sharks floating around in there.

   27. NANarrator6:26

       Uh.

   28. BWBlaire White6:26

       Really?

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Yeah.

   30. NANarrator6:27

       I think that X-ray image was not real.
5. 14:14 – 16:38

   Space, nearby worlds, and China’s strategy: from the Moon ‘cube’ to TikTok

   1. BWBlaire White14:14

      Where would you say is probably the nearest? Like, some people say Europa. I've also heard the upper hemisphere of Venus is the closest to Earth-like conditions, which I don't know how that is, but I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:24

      Is that real?

   3. BWBlaire White14:25

      Yeah, I've heard that. Um...

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:26

      What's the closest to Earth-like conditions?

   5. BWBlaire White14:29

      Like, the temperature.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:30

      Really?

   7. BWBlaire White14:30

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:31

      They think Venus at one point in time wasn't that hot.

   9. BWBlaire White14:33

      'Cause the surf- uh, the surface is extremely hot. Like, they've sent down rovers that got melted within seconds-

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       Hm.

   11. BWBlaire White14:38

       ... just being on... Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       I think at one point in time, it wasn't though. I think all of it has changed over time.

   13. BWBlaire White14:43

       Oh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:43

       Like Mars at one point in time used to be ho- hospitable, like, to life. They think that...

   15. BWBlaire White14:47

       People think we came here from Mars, some people.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:49

       There's a lot of people that think.

   17. BWBlaire White14:50

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       There's the Dogon tribe in Africa, that their whole lore is about that we came from, uh, from Mars.

   19. BWBlaire White14:57

       And they just found, or there's like pictures people are speculating, there's like a cube object structure that they found on Mars, like on the moon surface.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       No, that's on the moon.

   21. BWBlaire White15:04

       Oh, the moon. Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       Yeah.

   23. BWBlaire White15:05

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       That's, uh, China is actually investigating that right now.

   25. BWBlaire White15:08

       Really?

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       They have a rover. Yeah, they're beating us at everything.

   27. BWBlaire White15:10

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       You gonna learn Mandarin, or are you just gonna give in?

   29. BWBlaire White15:12

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:12

       What are you gonna do?
6. 16:38 – 21:12

   Gen Z, education, and ideology in schools—then a turn to lived experience

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:38

      What do you think is causing all of the, the issues that people in Gen Z or whatever you would say are having that maybe generations before them didn't have to deal with? What do you think is the cause of it?

   2. BWBlaire White16:49

      Well, I think one of the main differences between how I grew up, and I'm only 28, it's not like I was in school that long ago. Um, but it seems as if there's a lot of, just based on what you see online, like activists that become teachers. And they go into these classroom settings with the intention of teaching kids about LGBT shit, about critical race theory. Um, it, it seems as if people specifically have gone into it to indoctrinate people. Whereas like I remember all my teachers, it's like they avoided being political at all costs because they knew it would upset parents. And I think that's kind of the way to go. Not entirely, but I think that's healthier.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:23

      Yeah, it's weird when people don't have their own shit together, but they wanna teach kids.

   4. BWBlaire White17:29

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:29

      It's, it's like, it's... Like, I'm not against people talking about anything in school.

   6. BWBlaire White17:36

      Same.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:36

      But I think that the problem is when they're indoctrinating children into an idea and they're saying that this is right and this is the way to do it. Like, there's really clear right or wrong, like, hey, don't steal, don't rob, don't kill people, don't rape. There's l- don't, don't start arson. There's a lot of like real clear yes and nos. But then when it gets to certain issues, it's like some people have different religious beliefs, some people have different social beliefs, some... And like-... it's good to talk about 'em, but you should be able to have someone from both sides discuss it. Like, I've talked about this before, but when I was a kid, when I was in high school, there was, there was a guy named Barney Frank, who was a congressman in, uh, Massachusetts. And back then, he was in the closet, but since then he's come out. Um, but he was the left-wing representative, and there was a guy from this group that was called the Moral Majority. And the Moral Majority at the time was like, they were like a right-wing, they were kinda goofy. They, they were right-wing, but they were sloppy. Like, the, the, the ideology wasn't well-formulated, and the people that bought it, they were like sort of like QAnon people without the conspiracy theory.

   8. BWBlaire White18:45

      Uh-huh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:45

      They're goo- they're goofy.

   10. BWBlaire White18:46

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:46

       You know what I mean?

   12. BWBlaire White18:47

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:47

       They're goofy. So this guy and, uh, Barney Frank debated in an auditorium in our high school when I was like 14, 15 years old. And it was really interesting because we got to see-

   14. BWBlaire White18:58

       Good point.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       ... one guy who had this like very staunch right-wing perspective, and then Barney Frank, who was much more articulate and m- much more at least, at least seemingly intelligent, picked his ideas apart and had a, a much better presentation. And we got to walk outta there and talk about it and have our own opinions about things.

   16. BWBlaire White19:18

       That doesn't exist anymore.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Doesn't exist anymore.

   18. BWBlaire White19:20

       At least not in public schools.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:20

       Now, kids are getting in- instead of getting educated as to the pros and cons of different perspectives, a lot of kids, you know, obviously depending upon the school, they're getting indoctrinated-

   20. BWBlaire White19:31

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:31

       ... into these ideas.

   22. BWBlaire White19:33

       And it depends what city. It depends, are you in a blue city in a blue state, red city in a red state, red in a blue? You know what I mean?

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:39

       Yeah.

   24. BWBlaire White19:39

       But also, like, I guess it's just the fact that there's not both sides shown to a lot of this shit. Like for me, I don't think there's any reason why preschoolers need to learn about LGBT and be shown all these flags. It's like you see pictures of teachers in classrooms with like every possible variation of like LGBT flag, non-binary flag, all this shit with like five-year-olds. And it's like to them, it just looks like really cool, colorful shit that kids are naturally gonna be attracted to.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       Yeah.

   26. BWBlaire White20:03

       And it d- so it's not a shock to me that you have like little kids now identifying as LGBT when you can make the argument that like, that's just society progressing, so naturally more people will identify. But like, five-year-olds and the same massive leap it's been used to be like 0.01%. Now it's like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       What about, but when it was 0.01%, how many of 'em just hid it?

   28. BWBlaire White20:27

       Well, that's for trans though. I don't know about like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:28

       But it's not just for trans. I mean for whether it's gay, lesbian, trans, anything. Like how many people hid their sexuality or their sexual preference or, or what their-

   30. BWBlaire White20:38

       A lot.
7. 21:12 – 28:07

   Blaire’s early dysphoria, transition decision-making, and small-town realities

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:12

      When did you feel, if you can remember, when d'you feel like something was off?

   2. BWBlaire White21:17

      Um.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:17

      That you were supposed to be a girl?

   4. BWBlaire White21:20

      Mm, like five.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:21

      At five?

   6. BWBlaire White21:22

      Yeah. I remember being in preschool. Like my, my earliest memories in life were feeling like the only way I can describe it was like a very intense misalignment between the way I was perceived and the way I had my self-concept. Um, so I would say five. Uh, but obviously I didn't have the words to articulate it at five.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:38

      Was that when you first started going, did you go to preschool?

   8. BWBlaire White21:40

      Mm-hmm. It was public preschool.

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:41

      So was that when you were around other kids?

   10. BWBlaire White21:43

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       Is that when you started feeling it?

   12. BWBlaire White21:45

       Yeah. Um, first of all, I mean, preschool's kinda like the earliest time people even have memories. But also like that's when you start being socially separated by gender.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:54

       Mm-hmm.

   14. BWBlaire White21:54

       It's like, you know, I have a very vivid memory of like the boys' cubby area where you put your backpack and your schoolwork, and the girls'. And it was like the girls' was pink, the boys' was blue. And that's superficial, but you start to see the division really early. And I just had this inherent sense that I would never be able to fit into like a maleness ever. I don't know why. And the feelings only got more intense as I got older. Then I hit pu- I hit puberty and it was like, "Oh shit. Something's really off." Like, "Holy fuck." Like, um, and then eventually at 18 I started making the steps.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       So there was never a moment where you were confused as to whether or not this was the right thing to do. There was, it was always confused as to why am I a boy?

   16. BWBlaire White22:37

       Um, there was definitely confusion and, and trepidation about like is it the right thing for me to transition? That's like a huge decision.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:44

       Right.

   18. BWBlaire White22:44

       That I think is taken like way too lightly now. Um, and things have changed really quickly with how that decision is treated in society. Uh, but I guess I just had, it was just a, a progression of like understanding it more and more. Understanding like why am I uncomfortable with being called him by people when I'm literally a him? Like why is that something that would make me feel uncomfortable? Why is that something that would cause me stress or anxiety? Um, and it just got worse and worse and worse. And I considered living with it. I thought, "Maybe I'll just live with it." But it got to a little bit of a breaking point where I was like, "Goddammit, I need to deal with this."

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:18

       Do you remember the first person you reached out to about this?

   20. BWBlaire White23:21

       Mm, I think my mom. But I've, I've always been the kind of person that like once I decide something, I just decide it and I just go. So it was, it was almost like a very non-casual call. I was like, "Hey mom, so, um, (laughs) I think I'm gonna transition and see you at Christmas." And she's like-

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       So this was a phone call when you were not at home? You weren't living at home anymore?

   22. BWBlaire White23:41

       Yeah. I had moved very briefly to Michigan for a boyfriend. It was a horrible relationship. But, um, yeah, it was almost like casual. And I think people weren't necessarily shocked 'cause I was always naturally very feminine. My voice never dropped. I'd, uh, I was called a faggot when I was four. Everyone saw it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:55

       Four?

   24. BWBlaire White23:56

       Yeah, everyone saw it before me. I didn't know what a faggot was.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       (laughs)

   26. BWBlaire White23:58

       Everyone did. Like I didn't know what a faggot was, but I knew I was one.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       So a little four-year-old called you that?

   28. BWBlaire White24:03

       Oh yeah, all the kids. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:05

       Jesus.

   30. BWBlaire White24:05

       I grew up in a very, um, like small sheltered town, which has its perks.
8. 28:07 – 43:32

   Being labeled “transphobic”: protests, ideology vs. individuals, and sports fairness

   1. BWBlaire White28:07

      It's like, okay, so what you don't understand is I'm by no means this group of people's favorite person, being antifa, Black Lives Matter. I've literally had antifa show up to my speaking events before. Um, so I'm-

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:19

      Why have they showed up at your speaking events?

   3. BWBlaire White28:21

      They say I'm transphobic.

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:23

      What?

   5. BWBlaire White28:24

      You didn't know-

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:24

      WT. (laughs)

   7. BWBlaire White28:28

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:28

      That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

   9. BWBlaire White28:30

      Isn't it fucking stupid?

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       That's like me being anti-male. That's so stupid.

   11. BWBlaire White28:34

       Right. And you'll get called transphobic for having me on and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:36

       I'll get called... Well, I'll get called transphobic for everything.

   13. BWBlaire White28:39

       Yeah. Well, exactly. Me, me too.

   14. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       Yeah.

   15. BWBlaire White28:40

       That's what's so fucking stupid about it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       I got first called transphobic because of the Fallon Fox thing, 'cause of that fighter that was beating the shit out of, um, biological women without telling them that she was a man for 30-plus years.

   17. BWBlaire White28:51

       Cracked one of their skulls-

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:53

       Yeah.

   19. BWBlaire White28:53

       ... within, like, 30 seconds.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:54

       He was bragging about it. And I was like, "That's fucking crazy." And people were like, "You're out of line. You're cr- you're a bigot." I'm like, "What are you saying?" And granted, I used, uh, very inappropriate language and very colorful language to describe this, 'cause I was furious. I was like-

   21. BWBlaire White29:10

       As you should be.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       But I wouldn't be. And here's an... There's another recent case that people brought before me, like, "This is outrageous. This is bullshit." Of a guy who, I think he was a Ranger or a SEAL. Like, super fucking jacked, like, ripped dude who transitioned-

   23. BWBlaire White29:25

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:25

       ... and became a woman and fought this woman. I don't have a problem with that. I have zero problem with that, because it was her decision. Just like I don't have a problem-

   25. BWBlaire White29:33

       Sure.

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       ... with people riding bulls. I don't have a problem with people free diving with sharks. Do whatever the fuck you wanna do.

   27. BWBlaire White29:38

       But the Fallon Fox thing is she, they, opponents didn't know, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:41

       Exactly.

   29. BWBlaire White29:42

       Exactly.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:42

       The first two fighters didn't know that she was a biological male for 30 years.
9. 43:32 – 49:21

   Platform power: TikTok surveillance, bans, and the broken ecosystem of alternatives

   1. JRJoe Rogan43:32

      The TikToks, the Libs of TikTok channel, have you ever-

   2. BWBlaire White43:35

      I love it.

   3. JRJoe Rogan43:36

      ... the Twitter?

   4. BWBlaire White43:36

      It's where I got all my TikToks I reacted to, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan43:38

      It's incredible.

   6. BWBlaire White43:39

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan43:39

      Libs of TikTok on Twitter is the best follow. It's o- well, Tim Dillon's the best follow. Libs of TikTok is number two.

   8. BWBlaire White43:45

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan43:45

      But Libs of TikTok is so fucking crazy. Like, I, it's almost like China is fucking with us, because-

   10. BWBlaire White43:52

       The algorithm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan43:53

       But it's not just the algorithm. It's like they created TikTok, and TikTok is, I- if, you know, when you've talked to software engineers that have back engineered the TikTok platform and gone over, like, all this different stuff that it does to violate privacy, they said, "We've never seen an app like this before." It's like the most violating app ever.

   12. BWBlaire White44:12

       Oh, yeah. It's intense. I've literally, um, this one time, I met this girl at a gym, and we became friends, and we were just talking. But I didn't, we didn't, like, give each other, uh, like our numbers or, like, contact info or anything, right? Like, we, there was no digital attachment. We didn't follow each other, nothing.

   13. JRJoe Rogan44:26

       Right.

   14. BWBlaire White44:26

       And then an hour later, I'm on my phone on TikTok, I'm banned now, but when I had TikTok, and I'm scrolling through, and she pops up on my TikTok, a woman I just met in person. And it's not like she was, like, an influencer or had a following to where maybe statistically I would run into this person. It's like she had like 12 followers. And I was like, "That's scary."

   15. JRJoe Rogan44:44

       Yeah, it's, I bet it's probably just your phone being next to her phone.

   16. BWBlaire White44:48

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan44:48

       Like the phones are talking to each other.

   18. BWBlaire White44:50

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan44:50

       Like what?

   20. BWBlaire White44:52

       It's like, I don't like that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan44:53

       No.

   22. BWBlaire White44:53

       I mean, granted, I followed her. I was like, "Oh, cool, she has a TikTok." But-

   23. JRJoe Rogan44:55

       How did you get banned from TikTok?

   24. BWBlaire White44:57

       I posted that I didn't think it was transphobic for people to not date trans people if they don't have that preference.

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:03

       That's it?

   26. BWBlaire White45:05

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:06

       Whoa! They banned you for that?

   28. BWBlaire White45:09

       That was the, that was the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:10

       (sighs)

   30. BWBlaire White45:11

       ... yeah, infraction. It was-
10. 49:21 – 1:04:14

    Media narratives and COVID politics: Rittenhouse, Maxwell, ivermectin, and vaccines

    1. BWBlaire White49:21

       And that's what's like ... Okay, so there's all this media attention for the Rittenhouse thing. You can't turn on the TV without seeing it. Which, it was a big deal and it, it, you know ... I think a lot of American issues were kind of going head to head over that trial. But, like, the Ghislaine Maxwell thing, I feel like is so much more to the public interest, or it should be.

    2. JRJoe Rogan49:42

       Yeah.

    3. BWBlaire White49:42

       Because it's like, you have Hollywood and the elites and people collected, p- connected to politics preying on young girls, and the fact that that's not of higher priority in people's attention span is really sad, I think.

    4. JRJoe Rogan49:53

       There's a lot of, like, Black celebrities and Black people that I follow that still have, uh, like, a take on Kyle Rittenhouse because he went to-

    5. BWBlaire White50:05

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan50:05

       ... a Black Lives Matter protest.

    7. BWBlaire White50:07

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan50:07

       Like, even though, like ... I have Black friends that thought he shot Black guys until, like, the trial started.

    9. BWBlaire White50:13

       That was a lot of my progressive friends.

    10. JRJoe Rogan50:14

        Yeah.

    11. BWBlaire White50:14

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:14

        They thought, they thought it was ... 'Cause nobody knew. They knew he shot three people, but they didn't know.

    13. BWBlaire White50:19

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:19

        And then they realized, like, "Oh."

    15. BWBlaire White50:20

        'Cause-

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:20

        "Oh, he fought a bunch of ... He, he shot, rather, a couple fucking crazy people."

    17. BWBlaire White50:24

        A white pedophile.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:25

        Yeah.

    19. BWBlaire White50:26

        A white what was he?

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:26

        M- multiple ac- like, multiple offender. Like, a guy who had-

    21. BWBlaire White50:30

        Raped-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:30

        ... raped many kids.

    23. BWBlaire White50:31

        Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's when ... When I think about that kinda shit, I think, like, there are really just two separate realities that people live in, in this country. It's like ... And to me, it's split up between people who either have faith in the corporate press and people who don't.

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:45

        Well, I think th- when ... In this case, it's a little different, because I think there's a narrative that got put out, and that a lot of people didn't read into the story. They just bought the narrative. The narrative was-

    25. BWBlaire White50:55

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:55

        ... "This kid's a white supremacist who crossed state lines with an illegal gun, and he goes to a Black Lives Matter protest looking for trouble and shoots three people."

    27. BWBlaire White51:04

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:04

        That was the narrative.

    29. BWBlaire White51:05

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:05

        But the reality was, he didn't cross state lines with a gun. He lived 20 minutes away. He drove over there. Someone gave him a gun. He was working. He was kinda playing cop, for sure. And he was ki- ... But he did administer aid to people, and he did, like, work to clean up graffiti.
11. 1:04:14 – 1:12:30

    Alex Jones, forgiveness, and conspiracies that sometimes become headlines

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

       Yeah.

    2. BWBlaire White1:04:15

       But, uh, the thing about Alex Jones is, like, I see him as sort of, like, the internet's collective crazy uncle. It's like, he's the g- he's the uncle who, like, he's gonna be rambling, he's gonna be saying crazy shit, and you're gonna be tuning him out half the time. Then every once in a while, he just drops a nugget and you're like, "Oh."

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

       Yeah.

    4. BWBlaire White1:04:32

       "Yeah, that's totally right, but chill."

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

       I wish that whole Sandy Hook thing had never happened.

    6. BWBlaire White1:04:36

       I know.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:37

       'Cause if that, if he had never had that crazy m- perspective-

    8. BWBlaire White1:04:41

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

       ... he would've... People would have a different take on him, 'cause now that's all they bring up. Um, and what he said was very unfortunate.

    10. BWBlaire White1:04:48

        Mm-hmm. It was a mistake, for sure.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        He, he hates that he did it. But Alex was going through an episode. He was having... I've known Alex for 23 years. He's a great guy. I was out with him the other night. He's a lot of fun.

    12. BWBlaire White1:05:00

        He's sweet.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:05:00

        He came to the comedy show at Vulcan.

    14. BWBlaire White1:05:02

        We got married.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:03

        I know you got married.

    16. BWBlaire White1:05:03

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:03

        He is a sweet guy. Like, people get the wrong impression of him, but it's because of that whole thing. But he had gone through an, an episode where he was drinking, like, multiple bottles of alcohol a day and he, he was having these psychotic breaks. He legitimately was. He'll talk about it.

    18. BWBlaire White1:05:20

        That was during this Sandy Hook time?

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:21

        Yeah.

    20. BWBlaire White1:05:22

        Mm-hmm.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:05:23

        And w- And I think a lot of it, like, he was going... I mean, and this is not an excuse, but this is just the, the reality. He pays so much attention to these conspiracies. And for the longest time, people were saying that he's just crazy. But one of the things that's come up over this pandemic and, you know, and leading up to w- the, the current state that we're at now is that people are realizing that a lot of the things he called-

    22. BWBlaire White1:05:49

        Are just true.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        ... are happening. He c- He said they were gonna institute some sort of a vaccine passport, you wouldn't be allowed to travel. People are like, "That's crazy." They were gonna move us towards some sort of social credit system. They're absolutely trying to do that.

    24. BWBlaire White1:06:02

        That's exactly what's happening.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

        Yeah. He was talking about human monkey chimeras. Here's another meme 'cause I fucking love memes. I'll pull this one up.

    26. BWBlaire White1:06:09

        (laughs) He talked about the water turning the frogs gay, and, like, it was.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:06:12

        Well, it was actually making them hermaphrodites.

    28. BWBlaire White1:06:14

        Change, change genders, yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:15

        Yes. And there's a, there's an Alex Jones was right tip jar meme that I love, and it's just filled up.

    30. BWBlaire White1:06:21

        Yeah, I love that.

Episode duration: 2:55:11