Joe Rogan Experience #1749 - Shane Dorian

1. 0:00 – 3:43

   NFTs, Beeple’s daily art grind, and what “owning” digital art means

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music) Have you ever seen an NFT?

   4. SDShane Dorian0:14

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      In the flesh? See that one? That's a, that's a NFT.

   6. SDShane Dorian0:16

      Oh, very cool.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Did you ever know?

   8. SDShane Dorian0:19

      Sorta.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      What? Sorta?

   10. SDShane Dorian0:20

       I didn't ... I've never seen a physical one like that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Well, it's a ... That's a v- a vis- visual representation of an NFT.

   12. SDShane Dorian0:24

       Right, yeah, there's like a ... A physical digital one.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah, I mean, the actual NFT, does that come with that? Do I have to, like, scan it or something?

   14. SDShane Dorian0:30

       Is that you and Marshall?

   15. GCGuest Co-conversationalist0:31

       Nah, I was gonna have to tell you about that later.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       No, no, that's Elon.

   17. SDShane Dorian0:33

       We should, uh ...

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       That shit's called ... It says Gigachad. The ID ... I don't know why that ... what Gigachad is. It's like-

   19. SDShane Dorian0:39

       Maybe we should save this for the podcast.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       We are podcasting.

   21. SDShane Dorian0:41

       Are we?

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah, it's rolling.

   23. SDShane Dorian0:42

       (laughs)

   24. GCGuest Co-conversationalist0:44

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       That's how we roll. Um, but it's, uh, this guy Beeple. Do you know who Beeple is?

   26. SDShane Dorian0:48

       I do know who Beeple is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Yeah. Uh, Beeple was here the other day and, and he, uh-

   28. SDShane Dorian0:51

       No way.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah, he gave me that. It's the shit. He's cool as fuck. He's a fun guy.

   30. SDShane Dorian0:54

       I can't wait to hear that one. That's-
2. 3:43 – 6:14

   Art authentication, famous restorations, and why provenance drives price

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      Yeah, it's not the most expensive artwork, but it's the most expensive NFT. The most expensive artwork is well more than that.

   2. SDShane Dorian3:48

      Crazy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      The most expensive painting I believe is that really controversial, um, painting that they, they're trying to credit it with being a Leonardo da Vinci, but I think it's in dispute. And then it's also in dispute as to how many people painted it, that it might be more than one. A Sal- Salvador ...

   4. GCGuest Co-conversationalist4:10

      Yeah, it's around $450 million-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      $400 million?

   6. GCGuest Co-conversationalist4:12

      ... is supposedly the value.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      Yeah, $450 million.

   8. SDShane Dorian4:14

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:15

      But the thing is, like, someone bought it and they bought it ... You, you don't know the history of this? It's a crazy ... Salvador Monday. This, this is a crazy, uh, story. Someone bought it really cheap, and while, when they had it, it was, like, painted over. And then they hired someone to do a restoration of it, which means, like, whatever the paint that was over it, they slowly, meticulously remove. And as they did that, they discovered there's a spectacular painting underneath it. So, that's what it used to look like, like when-

   10. SDShane Dorian4:47

       Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       ... it was all fucked up and there was, like, paint all over it and shit. Well, when they restored it and they realized what was underneath it, they started calling it the Male Mona Lisa. But it's really controversial because some people don't believe that it's a Leonardo da Vinci, and some people believe that multiple people painted it, like there's a different, a different time period where the, the hand was painted versus the rest-

   12. SDShane Dorian5:11

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       ... of the painting. And they think that, like, somebody might've painted it after the fact. And so, they were gonna put it in the Louvre, in Paris, right next to the Mona Lisa. That's what the, the guy who owns it wanted them to do. And they were like, "Yeah, we don't know if this is real. We can't do that."

   14. SDShane Dorian5:27

       And that's a huge problem.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       That's a huge problem. So he's got it on his fucking giganto yacht. So, it's in some sort of, you know, climate-controlled environment on a yacht, a $450 million painting. (laughs)

   16. SDShane Dorian5:39

       (laughs) A $450 million painting that you don't even know if it's authentic or not, and it's super, like, disputable.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Well, it's real controversial. Yeah, because, like, there's a lot of people that are really good at faking-

   18. SDShane Dorian5:50

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       ... um, historical artists. Like, there was one documentary that I remember watching of this one guy who's ex- incredibly talented artist who can mimic the way Picasso painted, the way Rembrandt painted.

   20. SDShane Dorian6:03

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:03

       And he would develop these fakes, and they were so good. And they would sell them as, like, a lost Picasso-

   22. SDShane Dorian6:10

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       ... and they would be worth, like, a shitload of money.

   24. SDShane Dorian6:12

       And that's a problem.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:13

       A fucking big one.

3. 6:14 – 9:38

   NFTs beyond art: contracts, receipts, travel documents, and the Metaverse branding battle

   1. SDShane Dorian6:14

      Well, and think about it, that's, that's like, you know, that's like, that's a huge reason that's, uh-... that's kind of the power of the NFT, right, is it's like v- like, verifiable authenticity.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:24

      Yeah.

   3. SDShane Dorian6:24

      Like, that's never gonna happen again in the art world like, like that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:28

      Right.

   5. SDShane Dorian6:28

      Like, when you look up that NFT, it's gonna tell you exactly when it was created, exactly when it was sold, who it was sold from, who it was sold to.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:34

      Yeah.

   7. SDShane Dorian6:34

      It's verifiable, right? So forever, in the future, you'll know exactly, that NFT will, will explain everything when you look at it on the blockchain.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:42

      And it's got a QR code.

   9. SDShane Dorian6:44

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Which I don't know what happens if you scan it.

   11. SDShane Dorian6:45

       It's a trip.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       What do you think happens?

   13. SDShane Dorian6:47

       I like it. I like it. Did you buy that?

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       No, no, he gave it to me for free.

   15. SDShane Dorian6:51

       For free?

   16. NANarrator6:52

       (sighs)

   17. SDShane Dorian6:52

       Is that something that-

   18. GCGuest Co-conversationalist6:53

       Well, the uses, I was gonna say, the uses go beyond art. Art is the first use for-

   19. SDShane Dorian6:57

       Right.

   20. GCGuest Co-conversationalist6:57

       ... an NFT.

   21. SDShane Dorian6:58

       Right. Well-

   22. GCGuest Co-conversationalist6:59

       Contracts, receipts.

   23. SDShane Dorian7:02

       It's the most obvious one, right?

   24. GCGuest Co-conversationalist7:03

       Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   25. SDShane Dorian7:03

       But like, all like, airplane, like your, like, your boarding pass and all that stuff in the future will be NFTs.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Hmm.

   27. SDShane Dorian7:09

       I've been kind of down a rabbit hole, like a NFT rabbit hole recently.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       Have you?

   29. SDShane Dorian7:12

       Yeah, a little bit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:13

       Are you gonna start selling 'em?
4. 9:38 – 11:40

   Social media echo chambers, Twitter addiction, and impostor accounts in the COVID era

   1. SDShane Dorian9:38

      Twitter's sketchy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:39

      Yeah, I went to look at my Twitter, and I look like a crazy COVID person 'cause of the, so many of the things I'm retweeting are about COVID. (laughs)

   3. SDShane Dorian9:46

      Right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:46

      Like, I'm obsessed with COVID all the time.

   5. SDShane Dorian9:47

      And it creates b- it, it like, it like creates an echo chamber, right? That's like the whole, like, thing about Twitter.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      It definitely does. Yeah, there's a lot of people on there that are just, uh, speaking to the choir. And it's funny because, like, you can tell based on someone's, you know, who they are, how people are gonna respond to the things they write, you know? Like if someone is, uh, politically, you know, very left wing. If they get trolled a lot though, that's what's interesting. So like, they'll post something, and if they don't control who, uh, comments, you'll see, like, whenever a politician posts something, you get a bunch of the people that oppose them on the other side just attacking them and mocking them and belittling them. It's just super unhealthy way to communicate, all of it. (laughs)

   7. SDShane Dorian10:33

      It is.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:34

      And there's not that many people on it either. That's the thing. There's a lot of people because there's a lot of people in the world, but in terms of like most people in the country, Twitter's not the real world, but the people on Twitter, it's their world. It's the whole world. It's like they're so obsessed because so many people on tw- 'cause c- Twitter's so addictive. So many people who are on Twitter are on it all-

   9. SDShane Dorian10:53

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:53

       ... the fucking time, constantly checking. And so anything negative or positive that happens on Twitter, they think spills over into the real world-

   11. SDShane Dorian11:02

       For sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:02

       ... and like real, you know, real measurable ways.

   13. SDShane Dorian11:05

       And how the algorithm works, how it, like, creates an echo chamber in your feed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:09

       Yeah.

   15. SDShane Dorian11:10

       It allows you to think that the way you think is the way everybody thinks, because everybody, you know, all the stuff, like, populates into your feed. Like if you're-

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:17

       Yeah.

   17. SDShane Dorian11:17

       ... you know, whatever your, your political views are or your religious views are, you just end up having, that's all in your feed. So it's like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Uh-huh.

   19. SDShane Dorian11:24

       ... you walk out of your Twitter world, and you think everyone thinks like you, and when they don't-

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:28

       They don't.

   21. SDShane Dorian11:29

       ... you start-

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       Yeah.

   23. SDShane Dorian11:30

       ... hating those people instead of just having, like, a disagreement with their views and their ideology.

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       Well, that's what's going on clearly in the polarized parts of our country, whether it's p- polarized on the right or polarized-

5. 11:40 – 15:36

   Spotify exclusivity, “censorship” rumors, and the murky comedy-royalties dispute

   1. SDShane Dorian11:40

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:40

      ... on the left. They, they think that everybody should think their way. Oh, I should point this out while we're talking about this. Um, there's a bunch of people that have been saying that, um, Peter McCullough, the guy, the doctor that was on the other day, is complaining about being censored on the internet because the podcast has been removed from, uh, YouTube and some other places that he uploaded it. I just talked to Peter, and that's not him, so it's someone imitating him. Well now, whether or not it's someone on his team that's imitating him and he doesn't know about it, but the posts from his account that are complaining about being censored...He had no idea what I was talking about. When I talked to him, he was, like, rattling off, "Well, those things, studies on this thing, and I've got this new study and this new data." And he's just b- being like how he was in the podcast, just like super nerded out on-

   3. SDShane Dorian12:31

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      ... you know, medical statistics. And he had no idea. He said, "Yeah, um, the whole Twitter thing and social media is very confusing 'cause people are pretending to be me, and I've tried to do something about it, but I don't know what to do with it. There's multiple people pretending to be me and uploading things." He goes, "I was not aware that it has been, uh, removed or even re-uploaded, and I just, I don't have time for that. I'm in the middle of a conference right now, and I'm doing a conference right now, I'm p- speaking to 100 doctors. We're going..." And he's, like, rattling off data to me, and the dude's just a fucking freight train of information, just... (imitates train sounding)

   5. SDShane Dorian13:00

      I can't wait to listen to that one. I had about-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:02

      It's a good one.

   7. SDShane Dorian13:02

      ... I had about, I don't know, like six or eight people send me, send me the link to it already, so.

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:07

      It's a good one.

   9. SDShane Dorian13:07

      Gonna check it out.

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       But I just want everybody to know, it is not Dr. Peter McCullough that is complaining about censorship. And if the podcast gets uploaded anywhere else, whether it's YouTube or Rumble, and it gets taken down, it's not being taken down because of censorship. It's being taken down because Spotify owns the podcast. Spotify licensed the podcast for the years that I'm on Spotify, so you can't upload it anywhere else. Doesn't mean it's being censored. It means you gotta go to Spotify to watch it. It's available for free for everybody, but, you know, Spotify's paying for it. That's why you can't just fucking upload it places.

   11. SDShane Dorian13:38

       I feel like everybody has Spotify.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:41

       It's not hard to get, you know? It's fucking... It's very simple.

   13. SDShane Dorian13:44

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:45

       There's another thing that people need to know. Here's another thing. There's a bunch of people that are saying that Spotify is, uh, they're, they're in dispute with comedians, and they're not paying comedians, so they're removing comedians off of their platform instead of paying them royalties. It's quite a bit more complicated than that, and here's what I know. There's a company that is... They're claiming they represent all these comedians, but they don't, and they're reaching out to Spotify as representatives of these comedians. How do I know this? Because they're claiming they represent me, and they don't. They have no business with me, and yet they're, they were claiming to represent me. So, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but because of the complaints, I've reached out to Spotify to go, "Hey, this... What is this? What's g- What's happening here? Give me the real story." And then I got it from my managers, "Thi- these people are actually claiming they represent you, which is 100% not true." So there's some fuckery going on, and most likely it's someone who's trying to, like, do something and make it look like they're in business with all of these high-profile people, and then do something with the royalties and try to get money for these people, maybe take a piece of it or something. I don't know what the deal is. But I do know whoever these people are, they're pretending that they represent me when they fucking for sure don't. So there's that.

   15. SDShane Dorian15:07

       There's a lot of misinformation out there these days.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:10

       (sighs) Thee- there is. There is.

   17. SDShane Dorian15:11

       And cutting through the bullshit is-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       So hard.

   19. SDShane Dorian15:14

       ... it's difficult. It's more complicated than ever.

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       It is.

   21. SDShane Dorian15:16

       I think it's by design.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       Well, I don't know if it's by design. It's just, it's conf- the world is fucking confusing.

   23. SDShane Dorian15:24

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       You know, this digital world that we live in is like, goddamn it, there's so much going on. There's so many platforms, and there's so much fucking material floating around, and NFTs, and...

   25. SDShane Dorian15:34

       (laughs) NFTs.

6. 15:36 – 18:43

   The podcast boom and Shane’s rule: “I’ll do your 100th episode”

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      Everybody has a podcast. Do you know there's two million goddamn podcasts now?

   2. SDShane Dorian15:40

      What?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      Two million. Two million. And w- Jamie, wasn't there like one million at the start of the pandemic?

   4. GCGuest Co-conversationalist15:45

      I'll check now. It's probably two and a half million or something by now.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      It grows like a fucking weed.

   6. SDShane Dorian15:50

      Everybody has a podcast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:51

      Everybody's got a podcast. Yeah, everybody's got one.

   8. SDShane Dorian15:56

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:56

      (sighs) I have people coming on my shows, uh, to my comedy shows, yelling out, "Will you be on my podcast?" I'm like, "N- What?"

   10. SDShane Dorian16:01

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       "Who are you? What is, what is happening?"

   12. GCGuest Co-conversationalist16:04

       Yeah, that was just, like, April there was two million, so.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Yeah, probably by now there's, like, way more.

   14. SDShane Dorian16:09

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:09

       May, June, July, August, September, October, November, oh my God, December, oh my God. It's probably like another hu- another million.

   16. SDShane Dorian16:16

       Yeah. The same website, it didn't really update the s- the sites. I think it's kinda done by AI. It said the same thing.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       But a year before that, it was only one million, or a year and a half before that.

   18. SDShane Dorian16:24

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       W- whenever the, when the pandemic started, I remember we were having a conversation, I was like, "How many podcasts are there?" And then we Googled it, and it was like 900 something thousand, so it was like close to a million.

   20. SDShane Dorian16:34

       That's crazy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       And (whooshes) next thing you know.

   22. SDShane Dorian16:35

       That's al- that's already so many. That's crazy.

   23. GCGuest Co-conversationalist16:37

       It says 4.5 million-

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       Jesus.

   25. GCGuest Co-conversationalist16:39

       ... total podcasts registered-

   26. SDShane Dorian16:40

       What?

   27. GCGuest Co-conversationalist16:40

       ... around the world according to-

   28. SDShane Dorian16:42

       Jesus.

   29. GCGuest Co-conversationalist16:42

       ... podcastindex.org.

   30. SDShane Dorian16:43

       (gasps) And Joe Rogan's number one.
7. 18:43 – 24:05

   Shane’s Mammoth snowboarding accident: ACL/MCL tears and the brutal recovery curve

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:43

      Well, you fucked your knee up-

   2. SDShane Dorian18:45

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:45

      ... uh, pretty bad snowboarding. Um, why don't you explain what happened?

   4. SDShane Dorian18:49

      That's a good, that's a good way to say it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:51

      Yeah. You, you really mangled that fucker, huh?

   6. SDShane Dorian18:54

      I fucked up my knee bad. I was, uh, I was snowboarding in Mammoth, California, with my son Jackson last winter. And, um, they had 10 feet of snow in three days.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:04

      Whoa.

   8. SDShane Dorian19:04

      10 feet of snow in three days. Like, we, like, we parked our car, went to sleep, woke up in the morning, and our car was, like, a mound of snow. It was like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:12

      (laughs)

   10. SDShane Dorian19:12

       It was like, it was (laughs) , it was, like, a 12-foot mound of snow and my car was in there. Anyway, I was following him down the hill, and he didn't realize how close I was behind him. And we were flying, going super, super fast. And then he just stopped on a dime-

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       (yawns)

   12. SDShane Dorian19:26

       ... to stop to wait for me. He thought I was, like, 100 yards behind him or whatever.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:29

       Oh, no.

   14. SDShane Dorian19:30

       I was right behind him, which is my fault. You should never do that. But I didn't really know that, so... I was right on top of him instantly, and a snowboard's deadly, right? Like, super sharp edges. And I just went... Like, I was on my, my toe edge, so I just couldn't, like, stop instantaneously, and I was gonna run right into him, so I literally just tried to jump over him-

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:47

       (gasps)

   16. SDShane Dorian19:48

       ... 'cause I didn't want my board to hit him and, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       Oh, my God.

   18. SDShane Dorian19:50

       ... kill him. And, uh, it all, I had to, like, make this choice super fast in split second. And so literally, he just stopped, and I was right on top of him, and I jumped to get over him, and he was standing next to a tree, and my-

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:00

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   20. SDShane Dorian20:01

       ... legs went (imitates tree breaking) right around, right around the tree.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       Oh, my God.

   22. SDShane Dorian20:05

       It was one, one of those, like, instantaneous, like, it all happened so quick, but it was, like-

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       Hmm.

   24. SDShane Dorian20:09

       ... almost in slow motion as I, like, fell into the snow and just went... The, the, like, the next year flashed before my eyes, like, "Holy shit." All this fun shit that I really, really wanted to do just evaporated into the thin air.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:23

       Oh. And what was the damage?

   26. SDShane Dorian20:28

       Uh, I had full tears on my ACL and MCL. So, it was proper fucked. Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       Meniscus as well?

   28. SDShane Dorian20:35

       My meniscus was fine.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:36

       Oh, that's lucky.

   30. SDShane Dorian20:37

       My, my cartilage is fine.
8. 24:05 – 36:33

   Stem cells and biologics: knee relief, rotator cuff healing, and the FDA bottleneck

   1. SDShane Dorian24:05

      Yeah. Well, and a couple months ago, I was expecting it to already be pretty good by that point. You know, say, like, eight months in or seven months in, it, but it didn't feel right. It felt s- like, it just did not feel right. I could never imagine it ever being back to 100%. And that's when I talked to you, and you were like, "Hey, get to Austin." Um, and I was coming here anyway, you know, with my son to go surfing in the wave pool. And, um, and you said, "Let's, let's get some stem cells in that thing." And, um, it was, like-... night and day. In about a week, it was a whole lot better.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      Yeah. We got you into Ways to Well, um, and, um, my boy, Brigham, he's awesome.

   3. SDShane Dorian24:38

      He's awesome.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:39

      And, uh, Denise. Uh, and they got you a, a gang of sten- stem cells and shot 'em in there. I knew it was gonna help. It just, it just helps, you know? It's ... The, the technology and the wh- where, where medicine is at now, with biologics like stem cell, uh, recovery, it's all been ... Like, people that are skeptical about it, this guy named Dr. Neil Riordan, he's written many books on it, and there's many papers written on the effects of it. It's not nonsense. It's real. I had a full-length rotator cuff tear in my ri- my right shoulder. It's completely gone. No, no surgery. It just completely disappeared.

   5. SDShane Dorian25:16

      That's wild.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:16

      Completely healed back up because of stem cells.

   7. SDShane Dorian25:19

      I feel like there's some injuries where stem cells would be super effective, but it's not like ... You know, like, Robitussin has that, like, "Put Robitussin on it."

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:27

      (laughs) That's an old Eddie Murphy bit.

   9. SDShane Dorian25:29

      Like ... Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       Yeah.

   11. SDShane Dorian25:29

       So like, so like, I think there's some injuries that, like, stem cells may not do that much, but for, like, my knee or your rotator cuff, I mean, if, for ... I'm, like, a true believer now.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       Oh, I'm a true believer.

   13. SDShane Dorian25:39

       There was so much friction in my knee before-

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       Mm-hmm.

   15. SDShane Dorian25:41

       ... before we, we did that that day. Um, it just felt so, like ... I don't know, like, clicky and stiff, and, like, lots of friction, like I said, and then all of a sudden, it just felt, like, lubricated, like it was being supported from the inside. It was pretty awesome. For, for those who don't have- have never tried stem cells for, for anything, it's ... I'm, I'm baffled by it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:00

       No, it's amazing. My wife had a, a labrum, um, like a worn labrum. It was like, um ... I forgot what it's called. A frayed labrum, that's what it was, in her hip. And she was really worried that she was gonna have to have surgery because a friend of ours, uh, his wife had a very similar issue. She was a dancer. And she was all set up for surgery. They were all set up for surgery, and they said, "Let's just try stem cells before the surgery." So, they gave h- not my wife, my friend's wife - they gave her stem cells when she was, like, scheduled for surgery. They gave her stem cells, and then when they went in for surgery to look at it, like, there's no injury here anymore. So, they did an evasive, uh, non-invasive with, you know, they do, like, a little scope to go in there.

   17. SDShane Dorian26:42

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       Like, the injury's gone. And she was already saying that the pain had stopped happening. So, all of the fray, uh, all of the, the tear in the labrum had healed itself from stem cells. And the same thing happened to my wife. Like, she had this frayed labrum, and it was, like, really fucking with her. She had one shot of stem cells in there, and then, like a couple months later, just no more pain. It would just- it healed itself. It's amazing what they can do. I mean, it's not everything. You can't fix everything with it, but you can most certainly fix things that you were fucked just five years ago or 10 years ago. And I think 10 years from now, they'll probably have it even better. And if you go to other countries, they can do wild shit. Like, I have friends that go down to Colombia and to Peru and Panama, and they get stem cells down there, and holy jeebeesus, they can just do all kinds of crazy shit. They just have you down there for three or four days and just keep shooting you up.

   19. SDShane Dorian27:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       And I don't know if it's dangerous. I mean, I don't know why they can't do it in America. I, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, like, what the rub is, but the-

   21. SDShane Dorian27:42

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:42

       ... FDA gets in the way and cock-blocks the stem cells.

   23. SDShane Dorian27:45

       Well, there's some fishy stuff out there that people are hawking, and, and there are some doctors that are, you know, like... The stem cells thing, like I was saying this morning, is like a side hustle for some of these guys. And so, I was, like, pretty- kind of skeptical. And, and honestly, thank you for in- inviting me out here to do it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:00

       Oh, my pleasure, man.

   25. SDShane Dorian28:01

       'Cause I probably wouldn't have done it if, if you hadn't. And, um, I, I actually went and met with a couple doctors about my back years ago, um, about stem cells, and the guys were f- sketch, and the-

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:11

       (laughs)

   27. SDShane Dorian28:11

       ... and you could tell it was like a lucrative side hustle for them. And so, I was so, so, so psyched to, you know, m- like, meet the Ways to Well guys. They're so legit and so super professional, and, and just like talking to them, and I just ... Like, my personal experience has been insane. So, thank you.

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       M- my pleasure.

   29. SDShane Dorian28:27

       I'm psyched.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:27

       My buddy, John Wolfe, who's the head trainer over at the Ana Gym, he went down to Colombia for his back. He went to the, uh, uh, is it BioXcellerator? Yeah, BioXcellerator people. And they shot stem cells into his disks, in his spine, into all the disks that he was having issues with, and he's like, "My God." He's like, "They told me it was gonna get worse before it got better because it'll be inflamed because of the treatment." And he goes, "But honestly, it really didn't hurt that bad, but within a couple of weeks, I started noticing I have more range of motion." More range of motion-
9. 36:33 – 40:46

   Head trauma reality check: sparring damage, CTE risk, and Joe’s decision to step back

   1. SDShane Dorian36:33

      I was listening to a podcast with you and Sanjay Gupta this morning when I was in the gym. And you guys started... I didn't get to that part, but you guys started talking about how you did, uh, TaeKwonDo. Is that right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan36:43

      Yes.

   3. SDShane Dorian36:43

      And then you, you stopped doing it because of your br- your, you were fearful about your brain being injured?

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:47

      That was... Yeah. There was w- there was, uh, definitely a lot of, uh, head trauma from that. But it was really more when I started kickboxing. That's when I really started thinking about it. Because in, um, kickboxing, we're sparring a lot and you're getting hit in the head a lot. And gym fights, there's something that I just pulled up. Um, Jamie, see if you can find this. I think I saved it, but it's they're essentially saying that, uh, gym trauma, like trauma from getting punched... Oh, go to the UG on Instagram. Th- there was an article, and I think they link to the article. But they're saying that as much as 10 times the damage you get from fights, guys are getting from the gym.

   5. SDShane Dorian37:36

      Wow.

   6. JRJoe Rogan37:36

      So the amount of... Yeah, yeah.

   7. SDShane Dorian37:38

      From the gym?

   8. JRJoe Rogan37:39

      'Cause they spar so hard in the gym.

   9. SDShane Dorian37:41

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan37:41

       And you're doing it all the time. Like, it's, there's a lot of guys... And I grew up at a time where people were not aware of CTE-

   11. SDShane Dorian37:48

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan37:48

       ... like they are now. They, they thought people had brain damage if they were punched drunk, but they really thought it was after you got knocked out too many times. They didn't realize that it's just from accumulation of subconcussive blows. So there it is. This is the study. "A new study finding MMA fighters take 10 times more head trauma in training compared to fights." 10 times. So think about all these-

   13. SDShane Dorian38:10

       That's crazy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:11

       ... fights that you see-

   15. SDShane Dorian38:12

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:12

       ... where people are in these crazy wild wars. And now imagine that they get 10 times more of that trauma in the gym. There's Cub Swanson just fucking winding up.

   17. SDShane Dorian38:22

       Wow.

   18. JRJoe Rogan38:22

       Yeah.

   19. SDShane Dorian38:23

       So did you have like some brain injuries that you were spooked by? And that's, that's why... Or, or you just were like, "Hey, this is, this is like sketchy going forward. I need to like mellow out on this stuff"?

   20. JRJoe Rogan38:31

       I had a lot of headaches.

   21. SDShane Dorian38:32

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan38:32

       Bad headaches after sparring. Like I w- I remember one time I was lying in bed. There's this guy that I used to spar with all the time who, uh... He, it's kind of a crazy, it's a crazy story. He went... I knew him when he was younger and we were both like the same age, and then he went to jail. And then, um, four, five years later, he got out of jail and, uh, he was like a totally different person. He, he got outta jail, he was like really jacked and then just super wild.

   23. SDShane Dorian38:58

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan38:58

       Like, like crazy. And he was telling me stories of jail, like having to fight guys and, and fight g- Like, he got a mop stick and took on three guys-

   25. SDShane Dorian39:06

       Wow.

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:06

       ... with like a br- like a mop handle. And like, it's, like, he was-

   27. SDShane Dorian39:09

       You need to get him on the podcast.

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:10

       He's dead.

   29. SDShane Dorian39:11

       Oh, geez.

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:12

       Yeah. He's like, "Dude, I was fighting for my fucking life. It was, it was crazy." And, but he had become like feral-
10. 40:46 – 52:41

    Surfing concussions and magnetic brain treatment: EEG-guided “alignment” and fatigue relief

    1. SDShane Dorian40:46

       The reason I was asking you about that is 'cause when I was listening about it this morning, I was thinking about, um, I've had a lot of n- radical concussions from surfing and, and I had about five of them within like a four-year period.

    2. JRJoe Rogan40:59

       Really?

    3. SDShane Dorian40:59

       And they'd become successively easier to get. Like I became more fragile and more prone to concussions as time went on. I was surfing big waves.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:09

       So is, is it-

    5. SDShane Dorian41:09

       I was eating shit off like 50-foot waves falling-

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:12

       (gasps)

    7. SDShane Dorian41:12

       ... falling, you know, 30, 40 feet, 50 feet, onto moving water, waters that mov- water that's moving super fast. It feels like you're falling onto concrete. Um, and I was getting really horrible, horrible concussions where I was throwing up and like nauseous for 48 hours and like just really bad situations. And I never really equated it to brain injury. I don't know, I just didn't really know that that's r- that, that like... I, I didn't really know that concussions were bad for you. I just figured they were bad, they were like sore and they're painful and they're horribly, you know, they sucked when you're going through it, but then it was no big deal. And then about two years ago, I was on a boat trip and I met this guy Fred, who's from California, and we started chatting about what we do. And, um, he owns the Brain Treatment Center in California. And he's like, "This is what I do. I have this Brain Treatment Center." And, um, and he's like, "Next time you're in California, you should come by and get an EEG, like get a reading of your brain, and then you can just see what it looks like after all these concussions you were telling me about." And so next time I was in California, I did that. I got a, I got a EEG and then it was really cool. Like one, one of the scientists from the company, we did a rad Zoom call. And so he, he took me through my whole, like my scan report with all the data and level of charts and what it meant.... and it was so surreal. He was telling me... I'd never met this guy in my life, this guy named Spencer. And he goes... He, he was, he was telling me specifically about myself, about stuff that was so detailed and so nuanced about my personality type and, and who I was, that it was stuff my wife probably wouldn't even know. It was that-

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:46

       He could read that from your brain scan?

    9. SDShane Dorian42:47

       Yes. He goes-

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:48

        Like what? Give me an example.

    11. SDShane Dorian42:48

        ... "You're like this." Like, like, your thought processes, like your, like your, like, your strengths and how your brain works. And, and here's where... Like, you, you for sure have all these, like, really detailed things about, like, um... Like, if I study a lot or read a lot, I get super exhausted. At the time, I was getting, like, crazy exhausted, like, brain fatigue, and like, um, you know, like, I love to read. When I read, I get, like, horribly tired and fall asleep right away. I couldn't read. Um, and I had a lot of, like, ADHD-style, like, uh, symptoms, like, you know, brain fog, um, like, mental clarity issues, uh, forgetfulness, like leaving things... Just being a space case, but, like, kind of really extreme. And it... I felt like it was getting worse as I got older. And so, and, and so the next time I was in San Diego, I went to the clinic and I got this, this, uh, like a week's worth of trea- of, of brain treatments. Have, have you ever done brain treatment?

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        No.

    13. SDShane Dorian43:40

        It, it was a trip. It was cool.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:42

        So the, the San Diego, is that the place where they use magnets?

    15. SDShane Dorian43:45

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:45

        Yeah. So-

    17. SDShane Dorian43:46

        They do.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:46

        My friend Kat Zingano went there. She's a fighter for the UFC.

    19. SDShane Dorian43:50

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        She, um, had this wild fight with Amanda Nunes, and, uh, she won the fight. She stopped Amanda, but in the first round, she took so much trauma that it fucked up the cortisol levels-

    21. SDShane Dorian44:02

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:02

        ... of her brain. Her hormones were all out of whack. She was gaining weight, she was depressed.

    23. SDShane Dorian44:06

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        And her body wouldn't move right. Like, her, her coordination was all fucked up, and she got all of her movement back from this, these, this magnetic training.

    25. SDShane Dorian44:14

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        I know they do it with a lot of soldiers as well.

    27. SDShane Dorian44:16

        Yeah. So, so I guess the reason I was telling you about mine is 'cause my experience has been, been super good.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:22

        Yeah?

    29. SDShane Dorian44:22

        It's helped me out a ton, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:24

        What was the effect of it?
11. 52:41 – 1:03:23

    Big-wave survival mechanics: breath training, underwater “washing machine” drills, and confidence

    1. SDShane Dorian52:41

       It's something that you have to train for and be, and expect, you know.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:44

       When it hits you, what is the protocol of, what's, what are you supposed to do when you get hit?

    3. SDShane Dorian52:48

       Well, I mean, it's more like before. It's, like, wh- when you get hit-

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:53

       When you know you, when you know it's, it's h- happening. When you know, like, the wave is about to collapse on you, like, what do you do?

    5. SDShane Dorian53:02

       I mean, you just, you just, uh, you execute your plan that you, that you, that you have. Um, like, for me, it was more... And I don't do as much big wave stuff as I once did. I'm 49 now and trying to mellow out. I still love big waves, but, but it was my life for a while, and, and at the time, I was training like a madman, like, super physically fit, working out six days a week, super hype, like, crazy intense. Um, and I was working with, like, breath coaches to do, like, breath work and stuff. So as soon as I would paddle into the lineup when I was surfing big waves, I was breathing to where I was oxygenating my, oxygenating my lungs. Did I say that right? And so, um, you basically try to get as much air into your lungs as possible when you know you're about to eat shit or go under a really huge wave. And then you're, it's just a matter of, like, holding your breath.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:54

       So you just take a giant deep breath right before you go under?

    7. SDShane Dorian53:57

       Yeah, I just go (inhales deeply) like crazy and you stuff your lungs and everywhere else as much as you can. You pack your lungs with as much air as you can.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:04

       Is that you?

    9. SDShane Dorian54:04

       As much oxygen as you can, yeah, so-

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:05

        Oh my God, Shane Dorian. What the fuck?

    11. SDShane Dorian54:08

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:09

        Jesus Christ, that's scary.

    13. SDShane Dorian54:11

        And that's me eating shit.

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:12

        Wow. But look at this.

    15. SDShane Dorian54:15

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:15

        Oh my God. That is so wild, dude. And when you eat shit that hard and it comes down on you that hard, like, wh- how much time does it take before you can get up to the surface?

    17. SDShane Dorian54:28

        It really depends. I mean, in a really bad situation, I had one, I had, I had one wipeout, um, off the coast of Northern California in Half Moon Bay at this wave called Mavericks where this chick was on a boat filming and she filmed me eating shit much like that. Uh, and I was underwater. She was filming my board and it was tombstoning, meaning she could only see the top half of my surfboard. The bottom half was underwater and I was at the, I was the, at the end of, like, a 15-foot leash to my surfboard. So-... my board is about 10 and a half feet long. My leash was 15 feet long, and then I was at the very bottom of that leash.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:04

        Oh, boy.

    19. SDShane Dorian55:04

        And I was underwater for a minute and about eight seconds.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:08

        Whew.

    21. SDShane Dorian55:08

        A long time. That doesn't sound like that long, right?

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:10

        Fucking sounds like a long-ass time.

    23. SDShane Dorian55:12

        But I did a lot of breath training, or I didn't do a lot of breath training, but I did some breath training, and, and, like, basically your static breath hold, like, whatever you can do in a pool with a calm heart rate, like, you can basically, under pressure, like, if, if your heart rate's going crazy, you can, you can hold your breath for a quarter of your static breath hold.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:30

        Oh, my God.

    25. SDShane Dorian55:32

        So, like, when I did my static, but when I... Yeah, isn't that scary?

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:35

        It's terrifying.

    27. SDShane Dorian55:36

        But it's powerful because if you know that you have, say, hypothetically, you have a four-minute breath hold static, then that means under pressure, like in a situation like that where your heart rate's really high and you're getting the shit kicked out of you, you should be able to hold your breath for one minute-

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:51

        You should. I'm kidding.

    29. SDShane Dorian55:51

        ... and s- and survive.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        Yeah, but I don't, I can't hold my breath for four minutes. I think, when we did that thing with, uh, David Blaine-
12. 1:03:23 – 1:11:30

    Shark attack at Shane’s home break: the Banyan’s footage and life-saving tourniquet improvisation

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:23

       Have you known anybody that got bit by a shark?

    2. SDShane Dorian1:03:25

       Yes, I have.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       How many guys?

    4. SDShane Dorian1:03:27

       One of my friends got bit by a shark li- less than a week ago.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

       (gasps)

    6. SDShane Dorian1:03:30

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

       How is he?

    8. SDShane Dorian1:03:32

       He was almost positive it was a great white shark.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:34

       Oh, Jesus.

    10. SDShane Dorian1:03:36

        Uh-huh. And how is this? It was in Hawaii.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:39

        Really?

    12. SDShane Dorian1:03:39

        It was at my home break.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:40

        That's crazy.

    14. SDShane Dorian1:03:41

        Bann- Banyan's in Kona on the Big Island.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:43

        Isn't that rare?

    16. SDShane Dorian1:03:44

        They had been seeing a great white for three weeks in that area. A lot of like the- a lot of like- they have like manta ray boats, and dolphin boats, and like whale- whale-watching boats go out. And I'm buddies with some of these guys, and they've been seeing a great white. They've been filming it on the surface, this big- big, like a 12-foot great white. And this guy, his- his name is Jared Williford, and he was- he- he's a crazy fisherman. He catches like full-sized, massive, uh, blue marlin off the coast of Kona in his kayak. He's like a dude with dreads. He's like real Stoney Baloney.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:04:16

        What? How does he catch them-

    18. SDShane Dorian1:04:18

        Super chill dude.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

        ... off a kayak?

    20. SDShane Dorian1:04:19

        He catches them with his fishing pole, with a kayak. Like he's on a boat, but he just goes with his kayak. And he'll get, um- he'll- he'll- he'll hook up with a marlin or a big tuna, and it'll pull him miles out to sea on his kayak.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

        (laughs)

    22. SDShane Dorian1:04:30

        I've had multiple friends who fish for a living, are like, "Dude, I saw Jared with a marlin-"

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

        (laughs)

    24. SDShane Dorian1:04:34

        "... on his kayak." I'm dead serious. He's crazy.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:38

        That's so wild.

    26. SDShane Dorian1:04:38

        Anyway, so he had a run-in with a great white, like a couple weeks before, and he was like- he was like- he- he, um, he was like telling guys at the beach, "I had a run-in with a great white when I was on my kayak." And everyone, you know, just figured he was full of shit. Like, "There's no way." And then next thing you know, and it's on- on the- I- I should pull it up on my phone, but it's- so there's webcams at a lot of these surf breaks now. And at my home break at Banyan's, there's a webcam now. It's a SurfLine webcam. So, 20- 24 hours a day, there's a camera. And so his attack is on camera. Yeah. Yeah, this is it.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Whoa, "Video of surfer being attacked and dragged underwater by shark at Banyan's on Hawaii's Big Island. Wham, nails him right there. He's down. Now he's gonna pop up and swim to that guy."

    28. SDShane Dorian1:05:23

        Yeah. So, here's a video. This is the video right here.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:05:25

        Oh, play this. Sweet baby Jesus.

    30. SDShane Dorian1:05:29

        This is where I grew up surfing. I don't know, where-

Episode duration: 3:06:51