Joe Rogan Experience #1751 - Brian Simpson

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) We're up, Ryan.

Brian Simpson 0:13 We're up. We're here, man.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's going on, brother? Good to see you.

Brian Simpson 0:15 It's happening.

Joe Rogan 0:16 It is?

Brian Simpson 0:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:16 It is indeed. Cheer, sir.

Brian Simpson 0:18 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. All that good stuff. (bottles clinking) Yay. (drink slurping)

Brian Simpson 0:23 You know why people-

Joe Rogan 0:25 Ah.

Brian Simpson 0:25 ... you know why people started doing that?

Joe Rogan 0:26 Why? I don't know.

Brian Simpson 0:28 Because during Prohibition, to n- to, it was a way to try to tell if you had bullshit alcohol 'cause if you banged it and it bubbled, then you knew it wasn't... It wasn't-

Joe Rogan 0:37 Oh, really?

Brian Simpson 0:37 Yeah, because people will sell bullshit alcohol.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Isn't that funny? 'Cause that's exactly what's going on with the fentanyl overdoses. The reason why fentanyl is like rampant through this country is because people are getting the shit from Mexico, because heroin's illegal.

Brian Simpson 0:51 Oh.

Joe Rogan 0:51 So they're getting it from Mexico. They're getting the coke from Mexico and it's laced with fentanyl, and all that stuff is, is laced, and all that's... The reason why they do it, they cut it to make it stronger so they can have less cocaine, 'cause fentanyl's cheap. And that's why all these people are dying.

Brian Simpson 1:04 Oh, so they can transport more?

Joe Rogan 1:06 Yes.

Brian Simpson 1:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Do you know the number one cause of death between people 18 to 49 right now is fentanyl?

Brian Simpson 1:12 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:13 100,000 people died last year from fentanyl.

Brian Simpson 1:17 Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:17 That's a real epidemic. That is a real epidemic.

Brian Simpson 1:20 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Yes, it's crazy. Way more than died from COVID with the same age class.

Brian Simpson 1:25 Yeah, I, um, we, we recently had a bunch of comics pass 'cause from, from fentanyl.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Yeah, that whole thing with Quigley and those-

Brian Simpson 1:32 Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 1:33 ... three dudes he was hanging with.

Brian Simpson 1:34 Right. Um, and then I remember seeing, you know, so I'm checking on my people that I know, you know, do a little bit of the powder. And I'm like, "Hey, man," you know? You... And, and, and a lot of people were like all like, "Ah, I'm, I've got to leave this shit alone. I got to leave this shit alone." I was like, "Why doesn't everybody just test?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:48 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 1:48 And he goes, "You can test it?" I was like, "Yeah, you can test it." He was like, "I could throw a party tonight." (laughs) You know? It's like he could just go get... I was like, man, you haven't learned shit.

Joe Rogan 1:56 Dude, if heroin was legal, if cocaine was legal, you'd get it straight from the source. You'd get real cocaine that's not cut at all. It would be probably... I've, I've never done coke, but the way they describe it, it's like a much better experience, and then you don't have to worry about it, and then you know what you're doing.

Brian Simpson 2:12 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in the legalize everything camp, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yes.

Brian Simpson 2:15 But I, but I... We talked about it the last time I was here.

Joe Rogan 2:17 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 2:17 I was like just legalize it all. Have it come... Have, have, have the FDA... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 2:21 Exactly. The re- the, the s- it's scalable, right? It's like what would you do if it was just the three of us? Imagine if just the three of us were on an island and Jamie's like, uh, "Marijuana should be legal." And we were like, "What the fuck, Jamie?"

Brian Simpson 2:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:34 And Jamie wants to lock us up for marijuana. Like that would be crazy. We'd have to kill Jamie.

Brian Simpson 2:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:38 Right?

Brian Simpson 2:38 We'd just be like, well, there's two of us. There's one of you.

Joe Rogan 2:39 Yeah, we're like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? But that's exactly what it's like with the government. With the government, it's like one person versus three or four, whatever it is. It's like, it's like a small group of people that are deciding that things should be illegal. And then it's a bunch of parents that don't want their children to get addicted. And I understand that. I'm a parent. I don't want my children to get addicted. But that's what is happening. That's what's happening. It's...

Brian Simpson 3:03 But here's al- here's always my pushback on that, right, is all of the horrible things that have happened with drugs have happened during the Prohibition era.

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yes.

Brian Simpson 3:16 So, you know, making it legal isn't gonna make it more likely that your kids are gonna get addicted.

Joe Rogan 3:21 No.

Brian Simpson 3:21 In fact they know... What, what, wasn't it the, um, where they, where they studied the people coming back from Vietnam and they were like-

Joe Rogan 3:27 Yes.

Brian Simpson 3:27 ... the people that did heroin over there would come back and the ones that had like loving, supportive environments and family, they stopped doing heroin.

Joe Rogan 3:33 Yes. Yes.

Brian Simpson 3:34 So it was like, I think that, you know... But it's hard to say that to somebody that like lost someone.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Right.

Brian Simpson 3:39 You know, but...

Joe Rogan 3:40 Yeah, I've lost very good friends. One of my best friends in life died of a drug overdose. He died from pills. Uh, I think it... We... When... I'm not exactly sure, but I think he was on oxys. And this was, uh, in the early 2000s. It's, um, it's an epidemic. I mean, it's, it's terrible. But I feel like you should be able to make your own choices. Look, we're here drinking scotch. If, if I drank this bottle and you drank that bottle, we might both be dead. You know?

Brian Simpson 4:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:06 We drank a whole bottle of this stuff, we-

Brian Simpson 4:07 Let's go to the hospital.

Joe Rogan 4:09 ... well, you're gonna get fucked up. Or if we drank all the wood- liquor on that table, we just decided in an hour to drink all the liquor on the table, we'd be dead. 100%. But we're not gonna do that, right?

Brian Simpson 4:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:17 We're adults. And I think the same would be the case if people had access to real cocaine and real heroin. I'm not saying you should do cocaine and heroin. Look, I'm a fucking exercise fiend. I'm not thinking that you should just go and do drugs all the time. You shouldn't. But you're an adult. You should be able to make up-

Brian Simpson 4:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:33 ... your own choices. And no one... No other adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. All the things that you do that are illegal that people blame drugs on, like driving under the influence or like going crazy and murdering people, all that... We have laws already for those things.

Brian Simpson 4:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:50 You, you already can't do those things.

Brian Simpson 4:52 Yup.

Joe Rogan 4:53 The drug is not the problem. The problem is... Have you ever heard Gabor Mate talk about, uh, drugs and, and, and addiction?

Brian Simpson 5:01 No, I don't know who that is.

Joe Rogan 5:01 A very interesting guy. He's, uh, an expert on drugs and addiction and, and, uh, and the, the, all the, the real fallacies and dangers-

Brian Simpson 5:09 What's his name? Gabor Mate?

Joe Rogan 5:10 Gabor Mate. M-A-T-E. Um, but he say it all comes from trauma. I mean, all these people that are like severely addicted, all those people that you see that are homeless and that are just shooting up and smoking crack, those people were all sexually abused, physically abused, beaten. They've come from traumatic backgrounds.

Brian Simpson 5:28 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 5:28 That's the problem. The problem is not the drugs.

Brian Simpson 5:31 Yeah. Oh, they lost everything 'cause of... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Yes.

Brian Simpson 5:32 It's the environment.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Yes.

Brian Simpson 5:34 I remember, remember the old, remember the Katt Williams joke where he's like, uh, he's like, "Aspirin is perfectly legal. You take 15 of the motherfuckers, that'll be your last headache."

Joe Rogan 5:43 (laughs) That's true.

Brian Simpson 5:43 You know?

Joe Rogan 5:44 That's a good way to put it.

Brian Simpson 5:45 Yeah, it's like-

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 5:46 ... th- th- it... We... But nobody wants to really address the environment thing because that's a bigger... That's not a simple-

Joe Rogan 5:52 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 5:53 ... fix.

Joe Rogan 5:53 Bro, eat a pound of salt, you're dead as fuck. Take one pound of salt, eat it, you're dead.

Brian Simpson 5:58 Yeah, I think you eat a pound of anything, you're pretty much gone, right?

Joe Rogan 6:01 Well, not... No. You'd probably get away with a pound of sugar.

Brian Simpson 6:04 Unless you're a professional-

Joe Rogan 6:06 ... there's a lot of people out there who eat a pound of sugar a day.

Brian Simpson 6:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:09 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 6:09 You know, it, for, for the longest time in my life, I never thought about it, like, when you go to a restaurant over, and they, and they go, "This is a quarter pound of beef," or, "This is," you know, "This is a half-pound burger." And it's like, I never really put that together, like, oh, I'm putting, I'm putting a ha- I'm putting a half a pound of meat in my stomach.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 6:27 That's not good for you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:28 Yeah, it is.

Brian Simpson 6:28 Is it?

Joe Rogan 6:29 Yeah, yeah.

Brian Simpson 6:30 It doesn't matter how it's cooked?

Joe Rogan 6:31 Bro, people have been eating meat since the dawn of time. There is nothing wrong with meat. What's-

Brian Simpson 6:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:37 ... wrong with people's diets is all the shit they eat with meat. That's why those-

Brian Simpson 6:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 6:41 ... epidemiology studies are so flawed, because those, those studies are never done, they say, like, what, you know, an epidemiology study is like, they, they, they quiz a bunch of people. They give them a f- uh, a form to fill out, and they say, "How many times a week do you eat meat?" And then, they look for instances of cancer, instances of, uh, heart attacks, high blood pressure, and then they make a correlation. The problem with that is, they're not asking, "What are you doing with the meat? Are you eating cheeseburgers on a sugary bun with a bunch of fries dipped in fat? I- are you drinking it with a, a large Coca-Cola that's all sugar?" Like-

Brian Simpson 7:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:19 ... what is, what is your diet like? Are you smoking cigarettes? Are you doing this? Are you doing that? And then, you'd get a better baseline. If you saw- said to a person, "What are you eating?" And they say, "Well, I eat a 16-ounce grass-fed rib eye, and then I'll have some steamed broccoli or some sauteed spinach," look at those fucking people. They're healthy as shit.

Brian Simpson 7:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:37 If you're exercising and your body's not overweight and you're taking care of yourself, there's nothing wrong with meat.

Brian Simpson 7:43 I, oh, I don't do any of those things.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Ha!

Brian Simpson 7:46 Damn it.

Joe Rogan 7:47 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 7:47 No, I gotta start, I got, I told, I was telling her, I was like, "I need to spend, like, a month at David Goggin's house." But-

Joe Rogan 7:53 You don't wanna do that.

Brian Simpson 7:53 No. (laughs) Yeah, he might fucking kill me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:55 You don't wanna do that. "Get up, son!

Narrator 7:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:58 There's no tomorrow!"

Brian Simpson 7:59 Have you ever, have you ever k- kicked it with, like, chilled with that dude in his-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 8:02 ... in his environment?

Joe Rogan 8:04 Well, I never worked out with him, but I've hung out with him multiple... I just hung out with him a couple days ago in Vegas.

Brian Simpson 8:08 Oh, okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:08 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 8:09 I saw he was on, he was on the other day.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 8:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Yeah. Oh, that's right. I did go to Vegas, Jimmy, but I only went for a, an, about four hours.

Narrator 8:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:16 This is what happened. Went to Andrew Schulz's wedding, and then-

Brian Simpson 8:19 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 8:19 ... Whitney Cummings said, "I gotta leave at 6:45. I'm gonna do a set in Vegas, and then I'm gonna fly back tonight at 10 o'clock." And I go, "Really?" And so, uh, it was me, Lex Fridman, my wife, and Whitney, and we said, "Fuck it, let's go." So we went, and, uh, Whitney did a, uh, private party at this lady's house with Dana Carvey.

Narrator 8:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:40 Yeah, some rich lady. And, uh, so we do this, we do the gig, and then, uh, we go back. She had, she had g- they had gotten her a private jet. We go back, and the private jet was broken.

Brian Simpson 8:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:51 No pilot, no one to get back. So we wound up taking a fucking car.

Narrator 8:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:55 We had to get a car service to drive us back.

Brian Simpson 8:57 To LA?

Joe Rogan 8:58 Yeah, from Vegas to LA. We got back at 5:30 in the morning.

Narrator 9:01 Oh.

Joe Rogan 9:01 But in the meantime, we hung out at the, uh, we hung out at the m- the, um, what's the, the Wynn for a little bit and, uh, hung out with David.

Brian Simpson 9:09 I'm surprised David Goggins was like, "Let's run back."

Joe Rogan 9:11 (laughs) He was doing push-up contests with Lex.

Brian Simpson 9:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:13 I got a video of them doing push-ups on the floor of, uh, The Mirage, or of, uh, the Wynn.

Brian Simpson 9:18 Was it close?

Joe Rogan 9:19 No.

Brian Simpson 9:19 Of course not.

Joe Rogan 9:20 No. Well, Lex was drunk.

Narrator 9:22 Uh, David moved so fast when he was doing push-ups, I saw that.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Did you see that video?

Narrator 9:25 Yeah, he just does 'em so fast.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah. Bro, he does push-ups all day. There's n- not, there's no more disciplined human that's ever walked the face of the Earth.

Brian Simpson 9:32 It's, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 9:33 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 9:34 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 9:34 I wish I could tell you about his knee injury, but he asked me not to, to explain exactly what they had done. But you find out, like, how fucked up his knee was and how he's running thousands of miles on that knee. You're like, "What the hell?"

Brian Simpson 9:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:47 It's-

Brian Simpson 9:47 I had, I had a Warrant officer-

Joe Rogan 9:48 Yeah, like, that's, (laughs) Lex, by the way, was 30 hours of, uh, no food and just, just drinking.

Brian Simpson 9:55 Why was he, why was he not eating?

Joe Rogan 9:57 I don't know. He's out of his fucking mind.

Brian Simpson 9:58 Oh, that guy's not even doing them correctly. Who was that?

Joe Rogan 10:00 That guy? Some just dude who just showed up. Look, there was a whole bunch of people in the lobby just filming these guys doing push-ups. But look at Goggins. He could do that all day, all day. He'll do thousands of push-ups. Yeah, he's-

Brian Simpson 10:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:13 You don't wanna work out. You don't wanna go to his house and work out. That's, he'll wake you up at 4:00 in the morning. "Who's gonna carry the boats?" You'd be like, "What? What are boats? What are you talking about?"

Brian Simpson 10:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:22 "We're in Nevada." (laughs)

Brian Simpson 10:26 Yeah, he's a, he's a interesting dude. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm following him on Instagram every morning. He's like, "You're a pussy. Don't be a pussy today."

Joe Rogan 10:32 Yeah, "Stay hard."

Brian Simpson 10:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Yeah. Well, he's, you know, that's what he did to himself. The beautiful thing about that guy is that he was 300 pounds. He was overweight. He was drinking milkshakes and couldn't even run around the block and then decided to turn himself into what we see today.

Brian Simpson 10:48 Yeah, I had a Warrant officer like him when I was in-

Joe Rogan 10:50 Yeah?

Brian Simpson 10:50 ... the service. Yeah, man. He was, like, older than all of us and just smoking us every 10... Like, you couldn't give him an excuse.

Joe Rogan 10:58 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 10:58 You know? 'Cause he was better than you at everything and older than you. So it was like, you, you, it was no, there was no, "My, my, my, my, my, my, my back hurts. I got a cramp." So what? You know? 'Cause his attitude was like, "Oh, so you gonna let, y- y- so you gonna fail the mission 'cause you got a cramp?"

Joe Rogan 11:12 Right.

Brian Simpson 11:13 You know?

Joe Rogan 11:13 Yeah, in the military, that's, uh, exactly how they have to look at it. You can't just wait for a day where you feel perfect.

Brian Simpson 11:19 Yeah, but w- but with these people, when you got a leader like that in charge of you, though, when they're-

Joe Rogan 11:23 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 11:23 ... when they're not just talking.

Joe Rogan 11:24 Right, they're doing it.

Brian Simpson 11:25 When they're, when they're doing it, yeah, you'll run through a wall for that motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 11:28 That's the difference between someone who's a leader who is not walking the walk.

Brian Simpson 11:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:32 Those people get resented. You fucking hate them.

Brian Simpson 11:34 Yep, the moment-

Joe Rogan 11:35 You know?

Brian Simpson 11:35 ... you see them be, be a hypocrite-

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 11:37 ... it's like, it's over.

Joe Rogan 11:38 But that's the k- that's the, the key in, I think in companies and businesses and everything. It's like, a person has to lead by example. Like, that person, like, the people that are putting in the extra hours and the extra work, you want to do work for them. But when they wanna go home, and they, they tell you, you know, "You gotta stay till 2:00 in the morning to get this project done." And you're like, "Hey, man, fuck you. You're gonna go home? And you're gonna leave me here? You get paid more money than me, and this is your company."

Brian Simpson 12:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:05 "And it benefits you that I do this work, and, and you're leaving?"

Brian Simpson 12:08 I was just reading about, um, the p- The Peter Principle. Have you heard of this?

Joe Rogan 12:11 No.

Brian Simpson 12:12 Where it's like, the, the people at companies...... that do the best work get stuck with more work. And so the-

Joe Rogan 12:21 Hmm.

Brian Simpson 12:21 ... the people, the people that are left g- get promoted.

Joe Rogan 12:25 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 12:26 And so you, so you, it, you end up with, like, this-

Joe Rogan 12:28 Oh.

Brian Simpson 12:28 ... diluted middle management that's ... It's like, that's why p- people are miserable at their jobs. It's because your boss is almost always going to be someone that isn't better than you.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 12:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:38 I think it's also su- it's probably super hard to find a company to work for where everybody's friendly and everybody's just having a good time-

Brian Simpson 12:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 12:46 ... enjoying life.

Brian Simpson 12:47 I interviewed this guy the other day that, uh, that he ... So, so I wa- I was doing this thing for, for Netflix, the, their, um, it's called My Favorite Things. So they, they, they let you take over the thing and then they find you people. So my favorite thing was gaming, right? And they, they found me. I did it with Eric Griffin and all this. And, but then-

Joe Rogan 13:06 Oh, no. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 13:07 ... but then, but then they went and found me two, um, like, professors of gaming. So one, one of them, one of them, I fucking can't remember her name right now. But, but, but the guy, he was the professor of, um, he was a psychiatric, a psychologist, and he, he specialized in, like, g- the, the mentality of gamers online. And his whole thing is that, is how workplaces should be set up more like, like games. Like, the way they develop games, the way they, they market them towards the people.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Hmm.

Brian Simpson 13:38 The, the reward pattern and all that should be-

Joe Rogan 13:41 Oh, I see.

Brian Simpson 13:41 ... to avoid the Peter Principle, right? So it's like ... And, and, and the, the lady, she was the professor of, like, informatics that focused on gamers. And her whole family games. She games with her kids, she games with her husband. And she, and we were just talking about how, like, it, it changes the bond. Like, it, it ma- it, it's a bonding thing with your kids.

Joe Rogan 14:02 Hmm.

Brian Simpson 14:02 It's, it's a trust-building thing with your husband, you know what I'm saying? When it's like-

Joe Rogan 14:06 Right. So you have a team effort to go accomplish missions and shit.

Brian Simpson 14:09 Yeah, like they were fucking playing Diablo on nightmare.

Joe Rogan 14:12 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 14:12 They're family. You know what I'm saying? Like, you get one life.

Joe Rogan 14:16 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 14:17 (laughs) You, you, you imagine that?

Joe Rogan 14:18 That's hard.

Brian Simpson 14:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:19 It's hardcore.

Brian Simpson 14:20 Okay, I got, I can't trust my mom to heal me.

Joe Rogan 14:22 Ah!

Brian Simpson 14:22 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:24 Yeah, man. I can't fuck with games. I'm too addicted. I, I've, uh, too much of an addictive personality.

Brian Simpson 14:29 Bam.

Joe Rogan 14:29 I would, I would try to do ... I would just try to play it all day.

Brian Simpson 14:32 Well, yeah, man, I don't have a family so it's, it-

Joe Rogan 14:35 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 14:35 I can get sucked in, man. I mean, especially since, you know, you, now they, now games are like, they're shameless. Games are $100.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 14:42 Or $120, and it's like, you're like, "I'm gonna put my time into this motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 14:45 Right.

Brian Simpson 14:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:46 Do you play, um, the game by itself or do you only play online?

Brian Simpson 14:50 It depends on what it is.

Joe Rogan 14:52 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 14:52 Yeah, it's, um, if it's like a competitive shooter or something like that, I play that online.

Joe Rogan 14:57 The problem with those things is there's so many people that are doing them all day long and you get sucked into that and then you want to compete at the level that they're at, and the only way you can do that is if you play all day long.

Brian Simpson 15:07 It's impossible.

Joe Rogan 15:08 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 15:09 It's ... This is, this is another thing. I was, um, I was telling fucking Santino this, the, but I remember being at the Comedy Store and I was in the back watching the Overwatch playoffs on my, on my phone. And p- and then com- you know, comics catch you doing something nerdy, they start giving you shit like they haven't been nerds-

Joe Rogan 15:26 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 15:26 ... their whole life. And people were giving me shit about it, like, "What are you doing?" I'm like, "This is the playoffs." They're like, "What?"

Joe Rogan 15:30 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 15:32 And it, and it's, it's like they, they look down on it because, you know, how, how amazed you are by something is about how far away you see yourself from being able to do it.

Joe Rogan 15:42 What's interesting too is if you were watching, like, the World Chess Championship, they'd be like, "Oh, Bryan's smart as fuck."

Brian Simpson 15:46 Oh, right. Well, I watch that too.

Joe Rogan 15:47 Right, but you know what I mean? Like, there's games-

Brian Simpson 15:49 Yep.

Joe Rogan 15:49 ... that are acceptable.

Brian Simpson 15:50 Right, but not that. Not-

Joe Rogan 15:51 Yeah, you could even watch, like, tennis, right?

Brian Simpson 15:54 Tennis.

Joe Rogan 15:54 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 15:54 Anything, anything that people don't think they could do, right?

Joe Rogan 15:58 Right.

Brian Simpson 15:58 But, but people see you, people see people playing a game and go, "Well, I play games." But it's like, no, that, this motherfucker is so much better than you at ... He is as, he is as much better than you at games as Michael Jordan is better than you at basketball.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 16:13 Yeah, and you, and you ... It's hard for you to accept 'cause he's 13 years old.

Joe Rogan 16:17 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 16:17 You know what I'm saying? And you can't-

Joe Rogan 16:18 Right.

Brian Simpson 16:18 ... wrap your head around the fact that he'll whoop your ass at every game you on.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Yeah, that's true.

Brian Simpson 16:23 Yeah, these kids ain't ... They, they, like, the, the high level ... 'Cause a lotta times the, the kids, the people that are winning these tournaments and stuff, they're good at everything. They, they'll, they'll win a tournament in another game too. Or they'll get-

Joe Rogan 16:33 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 16:34 They get recruited, they get bought from other people, from other teams. It's, it's serious business. They're making millions of dollars.

Joe Rogan 16:40 There's real money in it now. But we were kids, you were told that playing video games was a waste of time. That mentality's still stuck in our head.

Brian Simpson 16:46 Right. You cost me millions, grandma.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Ah! But it still, for a lot of people, it is a waste of time.

Brian Simpson 16:54 Yeah, because you're never gonna ... Because even still, it's, it's even, it's, it's just like athletes. It's like the top 1%, the top less than that 1% of people ma- go pro and, like, actually make a living from it.

Joe Rogan 17:08 But isn't that argument ... Couldn't you make that same argument about comics? Like, you, you just had, uh, you have a new Netflix special that's out right now.

Brian Simpson 17:15 Yep, out right now.

Joe Rogan 17:16 And, and, um, uh, how many fucking comics start out and never have a Netflix special? From open mic to Netflix special, 99.9%.

Brian Simpson 17:24 Oh yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Same thing, right?

Brian Simpson 17:25 And it's ... You're right, you're right. And so I, I think it, it w- it rolls back to ... It's two things. It's, it's accurate self-assessment, which a lot of people lack the ability to do that. And then it's also having people around you that love you enough to be like, "This ain't it for you."

Joe Rogan 17:44 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 17:44 You know what I mean? 'Cause, 'cause, 'cause it's like-

Joe Rogan 17:46 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 17:46 ... 'cause it's like, your, your, your friends will ... Like, like, like, say your breath smells like shit at the party.

Joe Rogan 17:53 Right.

Brian Simpson 17:53 Your friends that-

Joe Rogan 17:54 Will tell you.

Brian Simpson 17:55 ... love you will be like-

Joe Rogan 17:55 They'll tell you.

Brian Simpson 17:55 "Hey, man." You know.

Joe Rogan 17:57 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 17:57 "E- eat this mint. Yeah, your breath smell like shit." But the, but people that are just acquaintances or whatever, they'll just wait til you walk away and go-

Joe Rogan 18:03 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 18:03 "Joe's breath smells like shit. Did you smell that?" You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 18:05 Yes. Yes.

Brian Simpson 18:05 And so it's like, if somebody around you gotta love you enough to be like, "Bro, you got to stop this."

Joe Rogan 18:10 But some people, if they keep going, they will make it. Like, you ... It's so hard. It's ... Especially in the early days of comedy, man, it's hard to tell.

Brian Simpson 18:18 Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 18:18 It's, it's hard to tell.

Brian Simpson 18:19 'Cause I've been wrong. I've been wrong.

Joe Rogan 18:20 I've been wrong too. I have.

Brian Simpson 18:20 I've been like, "Oh, that ..." I said, "He doesn't got it, man."

Joe Rogan 18:22 Right.

Brian Simpson 18:22 "I'm sorry." And I feel bad for some people too. It, and, and, and it's delusional. 'Cause here's the other thing too. You don't know ... You have to believe that you can.

Joe Rogan 18:30 Right.

Brian Simpson 18:31 But ...

Joe Rogan 18:32 But you gotta know.

Brian Simpson 18:33 You gotta know, and, but you don't know if you're one of those people that's right or one of those people that's delusional.

Joe Rogan 18:38 And you, it, sometimes the difference between someone who's right and delusional is just effort. It's just willpower-

Brian Simpson 18:44 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 18:44 ... effort, time. Sometimes not, though.

Brian Simpson 18:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:46 Sometimes they're just lacking the gene.

Brian Simpson 18:48 Yeah, some people don't got the, they don't... They're... 'Cause, 'cause, 'c- 'cause the only time I'm, I'm 100% certain that somebody isn't gonna make it is if they're not funny.

Joe Rogan 18:56 Yeah, they have to j- just-

Brian Simpson 18:57 You have to be funny to, to be able to do the work to get... You know?

Joe Rogan 19:01 Without saying any names, there's people that have made a career in comedy that are not funny at all.

Brian Simpson 19:06 Marc Norman for... No, I'm just kidding. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:08 Hey. How-

Brian Simpson 19:08 I'm just kidding. (laughs) I'm like-

Joe Rogan 19:09 Marc, he said it.

Brian Simpson 19:10 (laughs) No.

Joe Rogan 19:10 Not me.

Brian Simpson 19:11 Marc is also on season three of The Standups with, uh, me.

Joe Rogan 19:14 No. No, but there are... Like, Marc Norman's brilliant, but there are legitimately hil- like, non-hilarious people. They just... It's not gonna happen.

Brian Simpson 19:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:21 But yet they make a living doing comedy and you always see them.

Brian Simpson 19:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 They're always trying to get on spots, and they'll d- ask you to be on your podcast, and you're like, "Yikes."

Brian Simpson 19:29 Because, well, see, that's the thing. I b- d- I don't know if I, if I mentioned this last time, but I, but I r- I, I realized something about the business is that th- you can have talent or a lack of shame, or some mix-

Joe Rogan 19:45 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 19:45 ... some mix of the two. You, you got-

Joe Rogan 19:47 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 19:47 If you're... 'Cause if you... 'Cause those people you're talking about, they have no shame. They don't care if it's the 50th time they've asked you to be on your podcast. They don't care-

Joe Rogan 19:54 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 19:54 ... if it's at your wedding.

Joe Rogan 19:56 Right.

Brian Simpson 19:56 They don't care if they saw you run in the bathroom and you're taking a shit.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Right.

Brian Simpson 19:59 And they knock on the stall and go, "Hey, Joe, just wanted to bother you real quick."

Joe Rogan 20:02 Oh.

Brian Simpson 20:02 They don't, they don't feel bad at all because they know, and they've learned from experience, that eventually they'll wear you down to where you give it to them just so they'll leave you the fuck alone.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 20:13 You know? And, and if you, if you got no shame, you good.

Joe Rogan 20:16 There's a lot of people like that too, right?

Brian Simpson 20:18 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:19 There's a lot of no-shame people, but there's a lot of people that just... It seems like their version of reality is different than what you and I see. It's like, they, they think they're doing well when they're not. Like, they'll go on stage and they think they're, they're getting laughs, but they're not.

Brian Simpson 20:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:35 Like, they'll get a little sympathy laugh here and there and they think it was good.

Brian Simpson 20:39 I don't get it. I don't know how that is. It's like somebody being tone-deaf.

Joe Rogan 20:42 It's crazy people. I don't know, man. You know, it's like, like what makes a p- I mean, it's... You, you know, you know the concept of an NPC? You know, non-player character? There's a lot of people out there that literally are that. They're real.

Brian Simpson 20:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:57 Like, it's a horrible thing to say-

Brian Simpson 20:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:59 ... that they're inconsequential humans, but there are people that for whatever reason, they never connect with people. Then all the friendships they have are very surface level. They never have real love. They never-

Brian Simpson 21:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:10 They really care about people. They're always just weird fucks.

Brian Simpson 21:13 Well, 'cause they're psychopaths. I, I was-

Joe Rogan 21:15 Right.

Brian Simpson 21:15 I was just listening to something the other day about how we... You know, there, there's a list that came out maybe five, six years ago, and it was like the top 10 professions that psychopaths go to and like... One of them was like CEO, surgeon, and the... And then, and people always forget about the other seven. You know, it's like there are psychopaths all around you. There's a bus driver that's, that, that he doesn't feel or-

Joe Rogan 21:37 Right.

Brian Simpson 21:37 ... pro- the same-

Joe Rogan 21:37 Is that a sociopath or psychopath?

Brian Simpson 21:38 Oh, that's, that's what I meant. Sociopath.

Joe Rogan 21:40 Are they... They're real similar though. It's, uh, it's, uh, the distinction between sociopath and psychopa- What is the distinction? Because someone was explaining it to me once that there's not much difference between a sociopath and a psychopath.

Brian Simpson 21:50 Can, can you help us with that?

Joe Rogan 21:51 Maybe a psychopath acts maliciously against people, whereas a sociopath doesn't feel anything.

Brian Simpson 21:57 I, I think that they, I think that they've slowly started to conflate the two.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 22:01 You know, and maybe in the, in the... What the, what is that book of... That has all the mental health shit in it? The MS... You know what I'm talking about?

Joe Rogan 22:09 No.

Brian Simpson 22:10 But, but, but there's a book that had, like, defines everything. Maybe it's called the DSR.

Joe Rogan 22:15 Okay. Okay, how sociopaths are different from psychopaths. Both are a form of antisocial, antisocial personality disorder. Sociopath is a term people use often arbitrarily to describe someone who's apparently without conscience. In most cases, a description blithely tossed about to label a person as being either hateful or hate-worthy. The same applies to the term psychopath, to which many people suggest a sociopath who is simply more dangerous, like a mass murderer. While the characteristics of sociopathy and psychoopathy may overlap, sociopathy is an unofficial term for an antisocial personality disorder. Psycho- psychopathy is not an official diagnosis and it's not considered APD.

Brian Simpson 22:57 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:57 Antisocial personality disorder. Uh, term sociopath and psychopath are often used interchangeably. Each has its own clear lines of distinction that could be broadly described. And what are the, what is the clear lines of distinction?

Brian Simpson 23:08 Yeah, that didn't help. (laughs) Oh, okay, here we go.

Joe Rogan 23:09 The difference. Okay, sociopath makes it clear, uh, they do not care how others feel. Psychopaths pretend to care. Oh. Psychopaths display cold-hearted behavior. Sociopaths behave in hot-headed and impulsive ways. Uh, sociopath prone to fits of anger and rage. Psychopaths fail to recognize other people's distress. Psychopaths have relationships that are shallow and fake. Sociopaths recognize they are doing, but rationalize their behavior. Psychopaths maintain a normal life as a cover for criminal activity.So, ps- psychopath sounds like a serial killer-

Brian Simpson 23:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:45 ... a sociopath sounds like a comic. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 23:46 Am I the only one, am I the only one that was just thinking, "I think I fucked a few psychopaths."

Joe Rogan 23:50 (laughs) For sure. Or sociopaths.

Brian Simpson 23:52 Just straight cold-hearted behavior, yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:53 Well, there's a lot of people that are broken from whatever trauma they experienced when they were young, and they carry that into adulthood but they, like, mask it with, like, fake caring and fake empathy and, you know, and they use the right word. There's a lot of sociopaths that are woke-

Brian Simpson 24:11 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:11 ... because they use that, they use that to attack people. They use this, the, there's like a, a list of things they can attack you for and they use that as an excuse to be a horrible person.

Brian Simpson 24:23 Oh, yeah. That's the, that's the new trend. It's like e- well, everyone is looking for permission to be their worst self.

Joe Rogan 24:29 Right.

Brian Simpson 24:29 You know? So it's like-

Joe Rogan 24:30 Right.

Brian Simpson 24:30 It's like, I wouldn't normally burn down your house-

Joe Rogan 24:33 Right.

Brian Simpson 24:33 ... with your kids inside, but you know, you voted for-

Joe Rogan 24:36 You voted for Trump.

Brian Simpson 24:37 (laughs) Yeah. So fuck you.

Joe Rogan 24:37 You know? Yeah.

Brian Simpson 24:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:38 That, that's it. That's it.

Brian Simpson 24:39 I face that a, a lot where it's like a ... I remember back during all the, uh, during all the social uproar and, and I'd text ... and I posted that like people are, a lot of people are narcissists disguised as activists. Like they're-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yes.

Brian Simpson 24:52 They are ... It's really about them and the c- and the cause is their cover for being a piece of shit.

Joe Rogan 24:58 Right. Yes.

Brian Simpson 24:59 You know?

Joe Rogan 24:59 And then their activism is something that gets them brownie points.

Brian Simpson 25:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:03 Gets them social brownie points.

Brian Simpson 25:05 But there's people out there that's really about their life, though.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 25:07 Yeah, that'll fucking throw hands or shoot something, you know?

Joe Rogan 25:10 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 25:11 Then I'm ... Then I believe you. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 25:14 Yeah. You know?

Joe Rogan 25:14 There's people that are really good people that are ... that dedicate their life to charity. And then there's people that are dedicating their life to charity so that other people know they're a good person.

Brian Simpson 25:23 Yeah. It's the same-

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 25:24 It's the same kind of people that used to be like, "Do it for the children!" You know?

Joe Rogan 25:28 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 25:28 But they ... It's really their way of being an ad- like controlling what you can watch and what you can listen to.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Right. Right.

Brian Simpson 25:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:33 You get... That's a natural inclination to human beings, to force people to do things and to make people behave a certain way or speak a certain way or do certain things that they want you to do. You see, you're seeing that a lot in today's culture with this vaccinated versus unvaccinated argument, that there's a lot of people that, you know, want unvaccinated people to be refused medical care and that... be ostracized from society. And even though as time's going on we're realizing that even vaccinated people are catching COVID and spreading it, particularly with this new version of it, which I keep hearing is a good thing. I keep hearing this Omicron. I've talked to a doctor and he was explaining that this is essentially like a live vaccine. He goes, "This is ... It's not good to catch." He goes, "But," he goes, "It's way better than any strain of COVID we've ever seen before." There's no deaths so far registered in America except one guy that's in Texas that had a, a bunch of health conditions and they're not even saying now that it was COVID that killed him.

Brian Simpson 26:32 They're saying he had it when he died.

Joe Rogan 26:34 They're now, they're now saying he had it when he died.

Brian Simpson 26:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:34 Which is, this guy was fucked up. They're not, they're not personally ... But when they say that publicly, that, that's a clear indication that there's something really wrong with this guy. They're not saying what it was, but I'm assuming if it's the only guy that's died in this whole fucking month and a half period that this shit's been spreading through this country.

Brian Simpson 26:52 Yeah. Well, y- you know, I think that all of that is just a symptom. The problem is people don't trust the government. They don't trust the media because they always fucking lying.

Joe Rogan 27:02 Yeah, you shouldn't trust the government-

Brian Simpson 27:04 Because I-

Joe Rogan 27:04 ... or the media.

Brian Simpson 27:04 Because I remember ... I don't know if it was the, you know, when I was a, when I was a kid but it was, but it would be like, "Oh, if the president came on TV and said some shit, you believed the shit."

Joe Rogan 27:13 Right. 100%.

Brian Simpson 27:14 But, but it's like once we started finding out, oh, these motherfuckers lie about everything. Now-

Joe Rogan 27:18 Once, once Clinton started lying about blow jobs-

Brian Simpson 27:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:20 ... everybody was like, "What?"

Brian Simpson 27:21 Well, that, yeah, that did. I mean, well-

Joe Rogan 27:23 That started it.

Brian Simpson 27:23 Nixon was the chip.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 27:25 In the, in the ... Well, actually Kennedy, Kennedy was the, was the first crack because people started, you know, they ... when they covered up all the paperwork and they st- ... This is what's so funny. They still keep pushing that shit down the line.

Joe Rogan 27:37 I know. Wow.

Brian Simpson 27:38 Every president, no, no matter which side you on, every Republican president, every Democratic president since, every time the- those papers supposed to come out, they fucking cover the shit up.

Joe Rogan 27:48 It's wild, isn't it? Like what is in those-

Brian Simpson 27:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:49 ... papers?

Brian Simpson 27:50 Because there was a time where I thought that the James Webb Telescope ... I thought the Kennedy shit would come out before the depth- telescope was ready.

Joe Rogan 27:58 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 27:58 Because they've been ... I, I'm a, I'm a nerd with that kind of shit and it was like I've been waiting on this telescope for a minute.

Joe Rogan 28:03 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 28:03 And every time I was like, "Well, I'll find out who killed Kennedy before that." I don't think that's true. That-

Joe Rogan 28:08 No.

Brian Simpson 28:08 That scope's going to be launched before we know who killed Kennedy.

Joe Rogan 28:11 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 28:11 Or fo- or before those papers are released. And, and, and the only reason they could still be secret is because the ... I think it would, it would probably cause mass hysteria if people found out that like the CIA was involved or something like that.

Joe Rogan 28:27 There had to be. That's the only reason why they would keep it under wraps. That's the only reason. There's n- there's no other reason. There's no logical reason why they wouldn't release those papers.

Brian Simpson 28:39 Yeah, it's insane.

Joe Rogan 28:39 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 28:39 Because even if people involved are still alive ... Can I smoke a cigarette in here?

Joe Rogan 28:43 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 28:44 The p- the people that, uh ... I'm quitting when the special come out, ma.

Joe Rogan 28:48 Do you want a, um, cigar?

Brian Simpson 28:50 No. No.

Joe Rogan 28:51 No?

Brian Simpson 28:51 Last time I did that shit it fucked me up.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Cigars fucked you up? How c- how so?

Brian Simpson 28:55 It just made my shit all dry.

Joe Rogan 28:57 You let-

Brian Simpson 28:57 I mean, this, this ain't healthy but I'm, I'm an addict.

Joe Rogan 28:59 It's definitely not healthy.

Brian Simpson 29:00 I'm just making excuses I'm an addict.

Joe Rogan 29:01 How often do you smoke them?

Brian Simpson 29:03 Cigarettes?

Joe Rogan 29:03 Yeah. Goddamn.

Brian Simpson 29:08 Uh, well probably ... You know it's, it, it changes when I'm doing comedy.

Joe Rogan 29:12 Really?

Brian Simpson 29:12 Or when I'm, when I'm performing.

Joe Rogan 29:13 You per- you smoke more?

Brian Simpson 29:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 Interesting.

Brian Simpson 29:16 I smoke more when I'm at The Comedy Store and shit.

Joe Rogan 29:18 Mm-hmm. 'Cause other- everybody else is doing it? It's social?

Brian Simpson 29:20 No, no one else does it.

Joe Rogan 29:22 No one?

Brian Simpson 29:23 Very few.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Kind of bullshit ass community.

Brian Simpson 29:24 Like most people ... Like, man it was... It's just the era of the healthy comic.

Joe Rogan 29:28 Ah, those motherfuckers.

Brian Simpson 29:29 Mm-hmm. They're judging you.

Joe Rogan 29:31 Judgers. Goddamn judgy fucks.

Brian Simpson 29:34 Ma, special comes out today I'm done.

Joe Rogan 29:36 That's it? You're done?

Brian Simpson 29:37 I told her, I told her when it comes out I'm, I'm done.

Joe Rogan 29:39 And what are you gonna do to replace it? Are you gonna do gum? Are you gonna do-... the, the shit that you put in your mouth.

Brian Simpson 29:45 Oh, shit. I know.

Joe Rogan 29:46 You know, those pou- I was hanging out with Shaub at Schultz's wedding, and he takes those little dip pouches, shoves 'em in his mouth.

Brian Simpson 29:52 Nah, fuck that.

Joe Rogan 29:53 He grabbed three of those motherfuckers and stuck them inside his cheek like a squirrel. And I go, "What are you doing?" He goes, "I'm an addict."

Brian Simpson 30:00 I c-

Joe Rogan 30:00 He goes, "I'm a straight addict."

Brian Simpson 30:01 I can't do it, man. The dip shit-

Joe Rogan 30:02 Really?

Brian Simpson 30:02 So this, so one time I, when I was, uh, when I was deployed, we, we had our little... This was my second deployment. So by this time, we had like more comforts and shit, and we had our little six, our little 12x6 can or whatever.

Joe Rogan 30:17 Right.

Brian Simpson 30:17 But my can... So there's pr- and there's, there's six marines sleeping in one of these things.

Joe Rogan 30:21 Fun.

Brian Simpson 30:21 But my can had... We, we had negotiated with the locals and we had a TV.

Joe Rogan 30:26 Ooh.

Brian Simpson 30:26 We had a Xbox, and we had a little makeshift couch that we had built and, like, made comfortable. So everybody would come in our room and, like, watch the Sopranos or play... Or come in our can and, and all that shit. And this one motherfucker, I can't remember his name. Anyway, this son of a bitch had this weird habit of leaving his dip bottles every-fucking-where, right?

Joe Rogan 30:47 Oh, no.

Brian Simpson 30:48 Yeah, and one day, and you know, one day, I'm sitting there, I'm drinking my shit, and I put it down by my feet.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Oh, no.

Brian Simpson 30:52 And I reach back down and I grab it not looking. Ugh. Mouthful of dip spit.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Ugh.

Brian Simpson 30:58 Yeah, it took three people to pull me off that motherfucker. It wasn't fair to be mad at him for real, for not paying attention. But, but I'm, I can't... It's... You know you have those events where you-

Joe Rogan 31:08 You can't control yourself.

Brian Simpson 31:08 ... you relive them. Like, every time I think about it, I can taste it.

Joe Rogan 31:11 Ugh.

Brian Simpson 31:12 And I just... I could never dip. I could never dip. And I s- I'm still mad about it.

Joe Rogan 31:17 I've done it. I've dipped. It g- it, um, it definitely gives you a nice little head rush, but not as good as cigarettes. Cigarettes give you the best head rush.

Brian Simpson 31:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:25 It's like a, "Whoo." But, um-

Brian Simpson 31:27 I love a cigarette before I go on stage. I don't know how I'm gonna replace that. Like right before-

Joe Rogan 31:32 You gonna try to use a JUUL or something like that?

Brian Simpson 31:34 God, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 31:35 That doesn't work good enough.

Brian Simpson 31:37 No, I think you just have to stop, like-

Joe Rogan 31:39 You just have to stop.

Brian Simpson 31:39 I, I started, um... I had this book called The Easy Way to Stop Smoking, and everybody that I've got to read the book, they've stopped. (laughs) And then... But I've never finished it.

Joe Rogan 31:50 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 31:51 You know, so...

Joe Rogan 31:51 What does it tell you to do?

Brian Simpson 31:52 It's, it's... So the premise of it is basically, like, they... Instead of telling you the reasons you shouldn't smoke, they attack the reasons why you say you smoke. Like all the reasons people give, and they show you that they're just excuses, that you're just as much of an addict as a crackhead or...

Joe Rogan 32:08 Hm. That doesn't help you.

Brian Simpson 32:10 No?

Joe Rogan 32:10 I think what helps people is, uh, things like ibogaine. Ibogaine, um, mushroom trips-

Brian Simpson 32:16 Which-

Joe Rogan 32:16 Things like that.

Brian Simpson 32:17 Yeah, m- Oh yeah, and I know a lot of people that, uh... My, my buddy that, um... Actually, he just left. He m- he moved down here actually. Um, Mitch. I can't remember Mitch's last name, goddamn it. Anyway, he quit after a mushroom trip. He was like... He did 'shrooms and was like, "Nah, I was just done."

Joe Rogan 32:34 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 32:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:35 Well, you start thinking about what you could be doing to your body. You know, like what, what could be happening inside of your body.

Brian Simpson 32:41 Yeah. So maybe, maybe I just need a picture of a tumor-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 32:44 ... to just hang over my-

Joe Rogan 32:45 Or a health scare.

Brian Simpson 32:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:46 A little bit of a health scare.

Brian Simpson 32:47 Well, I've had enough of those. That, that doesn't stop people, really.

Joe Rogan 32:50 No? From cigarettes?

Brian Simpson 32:51 No, there's people that's d- There's people that's dying in the hospital now that's still sneaking out to smoke cigarettes.

Joe Rogan 32:55 Yeah, but that's just 'cause they know they're dying.

Brian Simpson 32:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:57 And they're like, "I'd rather just take the cigarette now," other than, like, die and not enjoy a cigarette, because you're already dying.

Brian Simpson 33:03 So you need... So you saying the type of health scare where they like, "Look-"

Joe Rogan 33:05 "Stop now."

Brian Simpson 33:06 ... "if you stop now-"

Joe Rogan 33:07 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 33:07 ... "you'll be okay. But if you don't stop now..." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 33:09 Maybe one of those.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Something's gotta like... They gotta show you your lungs, where you see the blackness, like the tar and all the fucking decay and the...

Brian Simpson 33:16 Oh yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 33:17 Have you seen like a smoker's lung when they pull it out and then they put it next to a healthy person's lung on an autopsy table?

Brian Simpson 33:22 Yeah, and it looks-

Joe Rogan 33:23 It's wild.

Brian Simpson 33:24 It's... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:25 Go... See if you can find a video. They... Or a photo. There's... They do autopsies of these people who die of lung cancer and, you know, lifetime cigarette smokers, and their fucking s- Their, their lungs, they, they look like they're just covered... Look at that.

Brian Simpson 33:40 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 33:40 Look at that fucking lung. Look at the-

Brian Simpson 33:42 It's like, it's like lung jerky.

Joe Rogan 33:43 Look at that one. The, the black lungs of a chain smoker. The one, the upper left. Click on that. Look at that. That is insane, man. That's so insane. That looks like someone... Oh my God, look at that next to a regular lung. That is so wild. One lung is like a orangey-reddish-pink and the other one is literally black and white.

Brian Simpson 34:08 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Like white tissue and black tissue. Fucking wild, man. That is wild. (gags) Terrible, as I-

Brian Simpson 34:18 Goddamn it.

Joe Rogan 34:19 ... smoke my cigarette.

Brian Simpson 34:20 This is like-

Joe Rogan 34:20 Look at that one up there. That one, the se- second down right below that. Look at that. Oh, Jesus Christ. Look at, they're all shriveled and like-

Brian Simpson 34:28 This is like showing me stool samples while I'm eating.

Joe Rogan 34:30 Yeah, but that's... If I'm still hungry, I'll still eat.

Brian Simpson 34:33 (laughs) Really? You can just p- power through it?

Narrator 34:35 That one's not real.

Joe Rogan 34:35 No, I don't... I was on Fear Factor. It's not real?

Narrator 34:37 This is a computer.

Joe Rogan 34:38 Oh, it's computer generated?

Brian Simpson 34:39 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 34:40 Oh.

Brian Simpson 34:41 But still pretty accurate.

Joe Rogan 34:42 Probably accurate, but the one next to it is real. That's real.

Brian Simpson 34:45 Damn, what's wrong with that one down there?

Narrator 34:47 That's like a lie.

Brian Simpson 34:47 The one that looks like, like it has, like it has cheese on it.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Which one's that?

Brian Simpson 34:51 The one in the middle bottom.

Joe Rogan 34:52 Ugh. It's pussy.

Brian Simpson 34:52 What is that?

Joe Rogan 34:54 Ugh.

Brian Simpson 34:54 Pulmonary pathology.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Ugh.

Brian Simpson 34:57 Good God.

Joe Rogan 34:59 It's fucked up because, like, the thing that scares people the most is not being able to breathe, you know? That's what's interesting. It's like that feeling that you can't breathe is terrifying to people. That's why drowning is so terrifying to people. But they say that the last days of a person's life when they're dying of lung cancer is like drowning. It's like you, you can't breathe and you're, you're gasping for air, and it's like your lungs are filling up with fluid and you can't get any oxygen in there.

Brian Simpson 35:26 Oh, 'cause all the sores are, like, popping.

Joe Rogan 35:29 Yeah. Ugh.

Brian Simpson 35:29 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 35:30 As you tap-

Brian Simpson 35:31 It's like, it's like it's-

Joe Rogan 35:31 ... and take another hit. (laughs)

Brian Simpson 35:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:33 You went through that cigarette quick, too. Ugh. How many do you smoke a day?

Brian Simpson 35:39 Uh, it varies. But a pack at the most.

Joe Rogan 35:44 A pack?

Brian Simpson 35:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:45 That's a lot. What is a pack? 16? How many's in there?

Brian Simpson 35:48 20.

Joe Rogan 35:49 20?

Brian Simpson 35:49 And it, and it, it's actually perfectly formulated for you to smoke all day.

Joe Rogan 35:53 Oh, so if you start early and keep going?

Brian Simpson 35:55 It's, well, it's, like, the, the rate that, like, the nicotine gets out of your system.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 35:59 And it's supposed to be, like, every 40 minutes or something like that. And so the cig-, you have just enough cigarettes to smoke all day long.

Joe Rogan 36:06 You know what's interesting? Like, nicotine is actually a medicine. Nicotine itself, um, I think it's got heart, uh, applications. See, like, nicotine for heart. Nicotine, it's also-

Brian Simpson 36:18 Like, they, they use it to treat shit?

Joe Rogan 36:19 Nicotine by itself is not bad, which sounds so crazy. And it's also, um, a nootropic, meaning, like, uh, it stimulates cognitive function. Like, nicotine does stimulate. It's one of the things Stephen King said in his book, uh, On Writing, is that quitting cigarettes w- was very hard for him because it was like his writing suffered a little bit.

Brian Simpson 36:40 Wow.

Joe Rogan 36:40 It was harder for him to write.

Brian Simpson 36:42 Oh, dude. Hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:45 Because it's something about the cigarette that, like, it fires up the synapses, it fires up the brain, and then th- the writing would come smoother.

Brian Simpson 36:54 Yeah, I don't know, I don't know because I've, I've smoked all the time I've been doing comedy and writing.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Hmm, yeah.

Brian Simpson 37:02 So, I mean, that would be, that would be like torture. Like, if I couldn't... if the ideas came to me less.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Yeah, I think that's what, what he was saying. But I think you can, you could probably get around that with other stuff that's good for you, like Alpha Brain and, you know, there's a bunch of different nootropics. You can take that gum that you were chewing on earlier. That's-

Brian Simpson 37:19 You got some Alpha Brain in here?

Joe Rogan 37:21 Yeah, it's right here. I got... This is the new shit. This is the Alpha Brain Black Label. It's the strongest version of Alpha Brain we've ever made. That shit's the bomb diggity.

Brian Simpson 37:29 Can you get me some of this shit?

Joe Rogan 37:30 Fuck yeah. I'll give you a bottle. You can take that.

Brian Simpson 37:32 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:32 I'll get you a fresh one.

Brian Simpson 37:33 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:34 That, that one's-

Brian Simpson 37:35 On it.

Joe Rogan 37:35 ... half empty. Um-

Brian Simpson 37:36 (laughs) Hey, don't wanna be, I wanna be the guinea pig. I wanna come back 'cause this is, um, this is my last day.

Joe Rogan 37:40 Okay. Well, this stuff is very good. That stuff I take before any UFC, anytime, like if I'm doing a podcast with a scientist, I take those. Like, sometimes you'll see in the beginning of a podcast, I'm like, "Oh, Jesus."

Brian Simpson 37:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:52 I'll throw six pills down throat, and I would think they're probably like, "What, what the fuck is he doing?"

Brian Simpson 37:56 What if y- or you do a podcast with like, with like, a liar, you know? Like, when you had that Gupta guy on here?

Joe Rogan 38:01 (sighs) He, I don't think he's a liar. He's just-

Brian Simpson 38:03 He's not a liar. He's the, he's the face of ...

Joe Rogan 38:07 He's the face of medicine in his eyes, you know? He's, uh, he's a neurosurgeon is what he is, you know? He's, he's a good guy. I like Sanjay a lot. I really do. He's just... He's in the system, you know? And the system doesn't tolerate any dissent or it doesn't, it doesn't tolerate anybody crossing lines and looking at things objectively or even taking a chance and, like, looking at something that may or may not be-

Brian Simpson 38:33 But why?

Joe Rogan 38:34 ... the way. Because, because you have to get hired and you have to keep working and you have to be accepted by your peers, and all these other people are all squares. All those people he's working with are squares. But meanwhile, what the fuck is happening at CNN? They keep catching pedophiles. You see the, the, this-

Brian Simpson 38:48 What? (laughs) Hold on, let me-

Joe Rogan 38:49 Two different per- pedophiles have been busted at CNN.

Brian Simpson 38:53 Wait a minute.

Joe Rogan 38:53 One guy wa- one guy was, uh, Chris Cuomo's producer, and another guy was, uh, I think he worked with Jake Tapper, who I respect very much. I, I like Jake Tapper a lot. I think he's probably the best journalist I ever met.

Brian Simpson 39:06 How did they catch him?

Joe Rogan 39:07 I don't know, man. There's, uh, all these stories online about it. Like, there's creeps out there. There's, there are creeps out there. They're real. And they get regular jobs sometimes, you know? And it's-

Brian Simpson 39:20 And oftentimes, they have jobs where they're like, "I'm exposing the-"

Joe Rogan 39:25 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 39:25 ... you know, the criminal underbelly of," you know-

Joe Rogan 39:28 Oh, right, right, right.

Brian Simpson 39:28 ... those kind of jobs.

Joe Rogan 39:29 Yeah. Right. It's like, who is the biggest ho is the girls who are always calling everybody else a ho.

Brian Simpson 39:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:35 Right?

Brian Simpson 39:36 Right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah. There's always, there's people-

Brian Simpson 39:39 Like-

Joe Rogan 39:39 ... like that out there.

Brian Simpson 39:40 Who you least expect.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Yeah, there's like, there's cops that are also criminals. That's a, that's a n- real normal thing. Like, cops that become drug dealers and criminals-

Brian Simpson 39:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:49 ... and then they, and they commit crime and they've, they've got, like, a way to understand, like, how people get caught because they, they catch people.

Brian Simpson 39:56 Yeah, wasn't one of those serial killers, uh, was he ended up being a cop?

Joe Rogan 39:59 Oh, for sure.

Brian Simpson 40:00 One of the famous ones?

Joe Rogan 40:01 Guaranteed.

Brian Simpson 40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 I mean, I don't know about famous ones, but guaranteed.

Brian Simpson 40:05 Or like, or priests, like, touching little kids.

Joe Rogan 40:07 Oh, yeah. Well, that's the darkest shit because the priests, uh, they're in this weird cult where you're not allowed to have any sex. Like, that is the strangest fucking thing ever.

Brian Simpson 40:19 Well-

Joe Rogan 40:19 And you know the reason why they came up with that? 'Cause the priests were fucking everybody. The priests back in the day were like rock stars.

Brian Simpson 40:26 Oh, right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 40:26 They were rock stars. They were banging everybody because they were literally the mouth of God.

Brian Simpson 40:30 Well, it's like that in all of the non, like, all the Judeo-Christian faiths where you don't ha- have that restriction. The ca- the, the, the pastors are rock stars.

Joe Rogan 40:41 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 40:42 You know?

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah, yeah.

Brian Simpson 40:42 Like all the churches I, I came up in-

Joe Rogan 40:44 Oh, yeah.

Brian Simpson 40:44 ... the pastors were fucking everybody.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Everybody, yeah.

Brian Simpson 40:47 "Hey, Pastor Jacob." Like, oh, everybody's flirting with the pastor.

Joe Rogan 40:50 That's wild.

Brian Simpson 40:51 Yeah, or the deacon.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Isn't that wild?

Brian Simpson 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 Yeah, those pastors are banging everybody. That's always been the case. Remember Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye Bakker? He was banging Jessica Hahn.

Brian Simpson 41:01 Oh, I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 41:01 That was a big scandal.

Brian Simpson 41:02 That, I've r- those names sound familiar, but I don't remember the scandal.

Joe Rogan 41:04 Well, the reason why I remember is 'cause, like, I'm older than you and it was a big deal on TV because Jim Bakker was one of those b-... He's still on TV now. Now he sells, like, he sells, like, disaster food and, uh, it's, it's kind of hilarious. He sells disaster food and he sells it in these, like, red bins, like, these buckets of, like, freeze-dried disaster gruel. And like, he, he's like, "But if you don't have anywhere to put it, you can use it as a table." And like, so they have these, these things stacked up and they have like a tablecloth over it, and they, they, they use it as, like, stools and stuff, and it's like where you store your disaster food.

Brian Simpson 41:42 So people... Ah, geez. People will fall, people will fall for anything nowadays, man. Th- that's the thing. When people don't trust the government and they don't trust the news-

Joe Rogan 41:49 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 41:50 ... it's so easy to, to, to get... Dude, dude, I've, I, I read some shit the other day about, um...... uh, this company called Black Oxygen Organics. Have you heard of these?

Joe Rogan 42:00 No.

Brian Simpson 42:00 Boo.

Joe Rogan 42:01 (laughs)

Brian Simpson 42:01 Hashtag boo. If you search... These motherfuckers, get this, Joe, they're selling dirt. They're selling people dirt and they're telling me that it's a miracle cure. You can drink it, you can bathe in it.

Joe Rogan 42:14 What?

Brian Simpson 42:15 You can put it in your hair. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Dirt?

Brian Simpson 42:18 It's dirt.

Joe Rogan 42:18 But is there something in the dirt?

Brian Simpson 42:20 Nope.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Nothing?

Brian Simpson 42:21 There's nothing special about the dirt. It's just m- it's just dirt.

Joe Rogan 42:24 And you're supposed to drink this dirt?

Brian Simpson 42:25 You can drink, you can drink it, you can, you can make, you can put it in your, in your, in your bath water. People are washing their babies in the shit.

Joe Rogan 42:31 With dirt? What the fuck?

Brian Simpson 42:32 Yeah. It's a, it's a multilevel marketing thing.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Oh my God. Magic dirt. How do I not know this? There's too many things to know. How the internet fueled and defeated the pandemic's worst MLM. What's an MLM?

Brian Simpson 42:43 Multilevel mar- It's a pyramid scheme.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Oh, a pyramid scheme. Okay. Black Oxygen Organics became a sudden hit (laughs) in the fringe world of alternative medicines and supplements, where even dirt can go for 110 bucks a bag.

Brian Simpson 42:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:55 What the fuck, man? How did I not know this? When is this? S- when does that say? March of 20... Wait, scroll up a little bit. December. Oh, recent. Okay. Social media posts started in May. Photos (laughs) and videos of smiling people, mostly women, drinking Mason jars of black liquid.

Brian Simpson 43:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:14 Oh my God. What the fuck? Slathering black paste on their faces and feet.

Brian Simpson 43:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:19 Dipping babies and dogs in tubs of black water. They tagged the posts #boo and linked to a website that sold a product called Black Oxygen Organics. Difficult to classify its market as fulvic acid. Fulvic acid I've heard about. I think that's like a, a real supplement, right? Oh, that was dug up from an Ontario peat bog. The website of the Canadian company that sold it is billed it as, "The end product in the smallest particle of the decomposed... decomposition of ancient organic matter." Huh. Okay. Wow. Uh.

Brian Simpson 43:53 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Well, there's always... There's a bunch of scammers out like we were talking about earlier. Sociopaths.

Brian Simpson 43:58 A gift from the ground, they called it.

Joe Rogan 44:00 (sighs) Ugh.

Brian Simpson 44:01 It's like, yeah, and it's, it's like, you can... And it, the reason stuff like that thrives is because people don't trust the official...

Joe Rogan 44:08 Yeah, there's a little bit of that. And there's also a little bit of the, they know that they're getting fucked over by pharmaceutical companies. You know, we played this ad the other day of this, uh, what was it? Uh, anti-sleep. It was a sleeping thing that helps you go to sleep. But they listed off all the things that could possibly be side effects, including suicidal thoughts, not being able to move your legs. All these different things like, Jesus Christ. Like, how about just stay up?

Brian Simpson 44:32 Suicidal thoughts?

Joe Rogan 44:33 Yeah. Oh my God. It's a big, it's a big problem. Yeah. It's a big problem with a lot of, uh, anything that fucks with the mind. Like, all these different things that fuck with your mind. All these different, even SSRIs, some of them c- have suicidal thoughts attached to them.

Brian Simpson 44:46 Yo, it was that, it was that, that skin shit did that too, right? The um...

Joe Rogan 44:50 Oh, yeah. Yes.

Brian Simpson 44:51 A- and Accu-

Joe Rogan 44:51 Yes, Accutane.

Brian Simpson 44:51 Accutane, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:52 Yeah. Fucking talked to, uh, Santino about that.

Brian Simpson 44:55 Yeah, I did. I talked to him about that the other day.

Joe Rogan 44:55 Oh my God.

Brian Simpson 44:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:56 He said it was great because he, it, it stopped his zits, but he goes, he almost fucking killed himself. Like it was rough.

Brian Simpson 45:02 That's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 45:03 Yes. I have several friends that had suicidal tendencies because of some sort of a pharmaceutical drug.

Brian Simpson 45:09 And sometimes it's the shit that's supposed to treat, treat depression.

Joe Rogan 45:13 (exhales) Yeah.

Brian Simpson 45:13 'Cause like, I, some of the stuff that I was on before... 'Cause what, 'cause, 'cause a lot of times what happens is when you're depressed, you don't have the motivation to do anything.

Joe Rogan 45:24 Right.

Brian Simpson 45:24 So, even if you want to die, you don't want to do. But when you start taking antidepressants, you, you're... There's a point where you're still depressed enough to want to kill yourself and you, then you have just enough motivation to fucking do it. So, when you... The most-

Joe Rogan 45:37 Oh.

Brian Simpson 45:37 ... dangerous time is when you first start taking them.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Oh my gosh. So, you got energy?

Brian Simpson 45:41 Yeah. You get just enough energy, just enough motivation where you're like, "I think I could pull this off." You know?

Joe Rogan 45:47 (inhales) Have some of that.

Brian Simpson 45:48 All right. Is this weed?

Joe Rogan 45:50 Shh.

Brian Simpson 45:51 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 45:52 Of course, it is.

Narrator 45:54 What... I was looking, uh, into the lung thing. This is... Do... I don't even know if I believe it, but it's in the article, so we'll go with what it says.

Joe Rogan 46:01 (laughs) What? Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

Brian Simpson 46:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:05 Study funded by?

Narrator 46:06 I know, that's where I started to get into it, but like...

Joe Rogan 46:08 RJ Reynolds.

Narrator 46:09 It said they looked into... It said like, 13% of double lung transplant P- people were "heavy smokers", which means at least a pack a day for 20 years, maybe two packs a day for 10 years.

Brian Simpson 46:19 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 46:19 Oh my God.

Narrator 46:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:22 Typically, these men smoked at least a pack of cigarettes a day for more than 20 years, or two packs a day for 10 years. Two packs a day is wild.

Narrator 46:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:28 In the end, after all variables were accounted for, people who got lungs from heavy smokers lived as long and as well as those who got lungs from tobacco-free. Yeah, but you know what they're saying though? The thing is, people that get transplanted organs, they don't live that long. That's... Look, I have a good friend and he got a transplanted heart and he's a w- wonderful person, and he's on all cor- sorts of crazy medication because of this.

Brian Simpson 46:52 Oh, wait a minute. You're talking about Superman?

Joe Rogan 46:54 CT Fletcher.

Brian Simpson 46:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:55 Yes. Love him to death.

Brian Simpson 46:57 Yeah, he's...

Joe Rogan 46:57 He's amazing.

Brian Simpson 46:58 He was my, he was my David Goggins before I knew who David Goggins was.

Joe Rogan 47:01 Yeah. He, well, he's, uh, super, super motivational and, you know-

Brian Simpson 47:04 He's so motherfucking set.

Joe Rogan 47:05 And he's d- become a different person, uh, post-heart attack and post uh, h- transplant. He's like, like is really... Is, he still doesn't take any bullshit nor excuses, but he's much more like loving and open, and he realizes he has this new gift of life and this new take on life. And also, he thinks he's got a woman's heart when... He knows it's a woman, but he thinks it's an Asian woman, and he's not-

Brian Simpson 47:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:28 I don't think they tell you that, but like, he's like got feelings that he... 'Cause the, the, the heart has neurons in it, you know? And they think-

Brian Simpson 47:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 47:36 They don't know where memories are exactly stored. You know?

Brian Simpson 47:40 Oh, there's some leftover, um... What are the cells that recover everything? Um...

Joe Rogan 47:44 I don't know. I think it's neurons. I think-

Brian Simpson 47:45 No, the shit, the shit they use... They take from like fetus, from, uh, stem cells.

Joe Rogan 47:50 Stem cells?

Brian Simpson 47:50 Yeah, it could be like some, some r- some residual stem cells, like shooting through your body or something.

Joe Rogan 47:55 I don't... Yeah, I don't know if your, your m- body contains memories in other things. Like...

Brian Simpson 48:01 It does.

Joe Rogan 48:02 I don't know.

Brian Simpson 48:02 It's called...

Joe Rogan 48:03 Yeah?

Brian Simpson 48:03 No, th- no, they know it does.

Joe Rogan 48:04 They do?

Brian Simpson 48:04 It's called, um-

Narrator 48:07 God damn. I didn't see, I y- I didn't take my Onnit.

Joe Rogan 48:10 Ah.

Narrator 48:10 Um, it's a, but it's called, it's, it, there, it, because they, they've, they've figured out that there's something left in your DNA from the trauma of your grandparents and your parents.

Joe Rogan 48:21 I believe that.

Narrator 48:21 The- there's s- there's ... And I ... What the fuck is the name of it?

Joe Rogan 48:24 I believe that for sure. Um, I don't know.

Narrator 48:28 Yeah. Well, somebody'll scream ... Put it in the comments, man.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Some people are screaming right now.

Narrator 48:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 "Are you fucking idiots? If I was on that show ..."

Narrator 48:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:35 Um-

Narrator 48:35 But it is something, it's, there's something to that. But e- but if you get somebody else's heart, is their DNA in the heart still? Obviously it has to be.

Joe Rogan 48:41 Well, there has to be something, right? 'Cause the heart is still beating. They keep it-

Narrator 48:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:45 They get in, in your body. They make it beat, so it's the same tissue.

Narrator 48:48 Yeah. There are genetic memories though.

Joe Rogan 48:50 I would, I would imagine that ... You know, that's ... I think there was a study that showed, and I think this was, like, a recent discovery over the last few decades, that there's as many neurons in the heart as there are in the brain. So, see if that's true. Um, or maybe the second-highest source of neurons in the body. And the idea was that, like, that whole idea of, like, trust your heart. Like, trust your hea- like, trust your heart being that it was, uh, actually not no- not just a saying, but there's probably something to that. There's probably, like, instinctive, some, maybe even some kinda thinking that's done with, with that part of your body which doesn't make any sense. 'Cause, uh, we think of thinking, we think of the mind. We think of, you know, the, the, the, n- All right.

Narrator 49:36 What's up?

Joe Rogan 49:37 So, I, I, I Googled the thing about the heart.

Narrator 49:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:40 But I was thinking something different than what you said, and I got the same answer for both things.

Narrator 49:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:44 So-

Narrator 49:45 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:45 ... very strange that ... There's two different things called the second brain or little brain, and I don't know which we wanna go with. I don't know.

Narrator 49:50 It says the heart has-

Joe Rogan 49:51 Pull one up. Let's see what's up.

Narrator 49:52 It says the heart has approximately 40,000 neurons.

Joe Rogan 49:55 That are like neurons in the brain, meaning the heart has its own nervous system. Jesus Christ.

Narrator 50:00 All right. So, check this.

Joe Rogan 50:00 So, yeah. So, this is '91 they discovered this.

Narrator 50:02 Check this one though.

Joe Rogan 50:03 Okay. Ooh.

Narrator 50:04 Stomach.

Joe Rogan 50:05 Enti- ... Oh, my God. Well, that's the other thing: your gut instinct. "Sometimes referred to as the second brain, it's the nervous system of the gut. It contains some 500 million neurons." Is that the same amount? With the h- let's say for the heart?

Narrator 50:16 40,000.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Oh, my God. That's a lot more.

Narrator 50:18 How many in the brain though?

Joe Rogan 50:20 That's a good question.

Narrator 50:21 Billions.

Joe Rogan 50:21 Billions. So, there's way more in the brain. And then the second is not the heart. It seems like the second is the gut according to this.

Narrator 50:28 'Cause I've heard of things, uh ... What's the thing that, uh ... Not se- I think it's serotonin.

Joe Rogan 50:36 Hmm.

Narrator 50:36 Um, that can ... I know that's like a, it's like the happy thing and dopamine or whatever. But there's something ... 'cause there's a pill you can take that makes you not throw up. And it, and what it's doing is it's stopping that, that chemical from going from your stomach to your brain. It just sorta, like, kills that.

Joe Rogan 50:50 Well, you gotta-

Narrator 50:50 I forget what it is.

Joe Rogan 50:51 You know, there's a thing that vegans always say that, like ... And I think there's probably some validity to it.

Narrator 50:56 Ouch.

Joe Rogan 50:58 The, this is (laughs) , this is the thing that a lotta vegans say is that, like, the diet promotes kindness.

Narrator 51:05 Mm.

Joe Rogan 51:05 And I don't think it's just that it's kindness in that you're not killing an animal. I think there's probably also kindness in that you're eating only plants, so your brain doesn't think it needs to think in a more vicious way. I think there's probably something to eating meat. Like, Rickson Gracie used to say that a lot.

Narrator 51:25 Who are they?

Joe Rogan 51:25 The, Rickson Gracie is, uh, the greatest jujitsu fighter of all time. He's, like, the legendary patriarch of the, the Gracie clan. He's the, he was the head dog. He was the-

Narrator 51:34 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 51:34 He was the guy, like, back in the day-

Narrator 51:36 But he's not the most famous 'cause that's not the name I always-

Joe Rogan 51:38 But Royce, Royce is his brother.

Narrator 51:39 ... saw him fight, right.

Joe Rogan 51:39 And Royce was the, the guy who won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship and a bunch of other ones. Um, Royce will tell you, he tells everybody that Rickson's 100 times better than him. Rickson was w- widely regarded as the man. I mean, it ... Like, there's not a lot of agreement in jujitsu because you're dealing with psh- thousands of black belts, right? Thousands-

Narrator 52:00 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 ... of killers. And there's guys at the elite, elite level and it's, they're kinda interchangeable. You know, if you say, like, "Who would win if it was Saul Ribeiro, or this guy, or if it was R- Rafael Lovato or that guy?" Like, these, there's this level of jujitsu where everybody's an assassin.

Narrator 52:15 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 52:15 But Rickson was the assassin of the assassins.

Narrator 52:18 Okay, I like that.

Joe Rogan 52:18 They, Rickson used to, they used to do these seminars. So, Rickson would teach these seminars and they would line up black belts, line 'em up, like, ten world-class black belts, and Rickson would tap 'em one after the other with no break. Tap 'em one after the other. And he wasn't doing anything that, like, was physically overpowering them. He wasn't, like, bigger than them. He wasn't unbelievably fast. It wasn't ... He was all those things. I mean, he was, like, an elite athlete like they all were, but it wasn't that. It was his mind and his understanding of jujitsu was superior to everyone else's. His, he had, like, innate talent, but he also had crazy dedication and discipline. And he had an understanding of jujitsu that was off the charts.

Narrator 52:57 That's crazy. You know who I've been following recently?

Joe Rogan 52:59 Who?

Narrator 53:00 Have you heard of this kid? Um, Mikey Musumeci?

Joe Rogan 53:03 Musumeci, yeah. Oh, my God. He's an assassin.

Narrator 53:05 This f- this fucking kid, man.

Joe Rogan 53:06 He's an assassin.

Narrator 53:07 He's as- and he's li- he's likable.

Joe Rogan 53:09 Yes.

Narrator 53:09 Like a, like a Nunez almost, but, like-

Joe Rogan 53:10 He's a sweetheart, yeah.

Narrator 53:11 But this bo- this k- this ... I just wa- I watch everything he does.

Joe Rogan 53:14 Yeah. I think M- Musumeci is how you say it.

Narrator 53:17 Musumeci.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah. He's, uh, I've seen him, uh, live a couple of times. Uh, they do this thing in Austin. They were doing it once a month. It's called Who's Number One. It's these professional jujitsu matches that they'd have in Austin that they'd stream on FloCombat or FloGrappling. FloGrappling.com.

Narrator 53:33 Yeah, that's do- that's what I watching on FloGrappling, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:35 Pff. Dude, it's, it's wild to see him live, you know?

Narrator 53:38 I'm gonna come back down. I'm gonna come back down next time that that's alive.

Joe Rogan 53:39 I will let you know.

Narrator 53:40 All right.

Joe Rogan 53:40 And we'll, we'll schedule a podcast around it, like, afterwards.

Narrator 53:43 Okay, cool. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:43 So that we can go to it and then you can see it, and-

Narrator 53:45 Hell, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:45 That'll be a good way if you getting in shape. You're a strong person. You could, you'd probably do great at jujitsu.

Narrator 53:50 You think so?

Joe Rogan 53:50 Yes. Lookit, you're a fucking house, man.

Narrator 53:52 Yeah, maybe. I mean, you know.

Joe Rogan 53:53 'Cause-

Narrator 53:54 I gotta do something.

Joe Rogan 53:55 You, you, uh, you're obviously, like, not just overweight. You're very strong. Like, there's a lotta muscle there. So, if you just trim away at the fat and do it slowly where you don't hurt yourself. Like, don't try to get crazy in the beginning. Just, you just gotta check your ego.

Narrator 54:09 You're right.

Joe Rogan 54:09 And just learn and ro- it's exhausting. And the, the beautiful thing about that is you walk outta there, like, you don't want any trouble about anything. Like, everything is no big deal. Someone's just trying s- to kill you. People are just trying to kill you.

Narrator 54:19 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:19 And-

Narrator 54:19 Well, there is, there is, there is something to-

Brian Simpson 54:23 There's something to being in shape and knowing that you can fuck most people up.

Joe Rogan 54:28 It definitely helps.

Brian Simpson 54:29 That, that makes you... It calms you-

Joe Rogan 54:30 Yes.

Brian Simpson 54:31 ... in a way that, like, you don't start shit because it's like... Because the, the, the stakes are high. It's like walking around with a grenade in your pocket.

Joe Rogan 54:37 Exactly.

Brian Simpson 54:38 It's like, you know, "Listen, either this is nothing or I'm gonna kill somebody."

Joe Rogan 54:41 Exactly.

Brian Simpson 54:42 Right? And like, there's something about like... That's why you never see... You don't see very many UFC fighters, you don't hear about them getting in bar fights. I mean, you, you know.

Joe Rogan 54:49 It's not th- not the best ones, that's for sure.

Brian Simpson 54:51 Yeah. Except J- Jones.

Joe Rogan 54:51 If you go to like the top of the heap... Well, Jon is a... He's a w- look, to... (sighs) This is the thing. It's like, I'm not making excuses for anybody's behavior, but I am saying that the best of the best are wild. They're, they're risk-takers. They-

Brian Simpson 55:07 No, I agree, like Lawrence Taylor.

Joe Rogan 55:08 Yes.

Brian Simpson 55:09 Like, like, they're just, they're crazy.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Yes.

Brian Simpson 55:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:10 I think you have to be, like Mike Tyson. I think you have to be, to be that goddamn good. There's al- there's like a level of good, you know. Like, so, like, Hixon was never, like, an out of control guy in that regard, you know. And there's a lot of jiu-jitsu guys that are not out of control guys, but they're the best of the best. But there's some fighters that, like, the thing that propels them is this, like, wildness that they have this ability to like, in the moment, take gr- great risks and also be very creative in the moment and do wild things. And sometimes that is the difference between the very best and the elite. Like, Jon Jones has had some fucking close fights, man. This Alexander Gustafsson fight, that shit went to the wire.

Brian Simpson 55:51 Well, the first one.

Joe Rogan 55:52 Yes.

Brian Simpson 55:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:52 The second one he destroyed.

Brian Simpson 55:53 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:53 But the first one, he we- literally wasn't training. Literally was not training.

Brian Simpson 55:56 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 55:57 Was not training!

Brian Simpson 55:58 Imagine, (laughs) imagine being that confident where you're like, "I'm not even gonna train this motherfucker."

Joe Rogan 56:02 It's, there's a lot of psychology behind it and he was actually telling m- I mean, he was admitting it, that there was fights that where he would got, get, go out and party hard, like get really fucked up the week before the fight. And he said, "I think I did it because I had a built-in excuse. So that if I, I beat them or, you know, uh, beat them, I can beat these motherfuckers even if I'm partying." But if he loses, he goes, "Yeah, but I was partying." So he kind of proved that with the Gustafsson fight, right? He won the fight.

Brian Simpson 56:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:27 And he won the fight in the fifth round too, by the way. The fifth round, he poured it on Gustafsson when he wasn't even in shape and he wasn't even training. That's how good Jon Jones is.

Brian Simpson 56:35 Yeah, I love watching him fight.

Joe Rogan 56:36 Bro, this, that division, you gotta realize, that division is super ultra com- uh, competitive, right? Unless Jon Jones is in the mix, then it's not competitive.

Brian Simpson 56:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Jon Jones dominates everybody.

Brian Simpson 56:48 Well, that's wh- that's what I, that's why I was so... Like, when Nunez lost, like, I almost couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was like-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 56:55 Yeah, 'cause I'm sitting there watching it with other people and I'm like... And I, and I, and I bet money on the, on the Poirier fight.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Who'd you bet on?

Brian Simpson 57:01 Poirier.

Joe Rogan 57:02 You bet on Poirier?

Brian Simpson 57:03 Yeah, 'cause I was like, "There's no way he just came off that..." Well, against-

Joe Rogan 57:06 The fights with Conor?

Brian Simpson 57:06 ... Conor. It was like, "There's no way he's gonna loo-" But, but, but, uh, you know, m- I'm not as big a fan as m- So, my homie is the one, he's the Joe Rogan in our group where he knows so much that if, if it's anything I don't understand, he just explains it, you know?

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 57:19 Uh, th- uh, he was trying to tell me, "No, man, Oliveira is a fucking monster." And I'm like...

Joe Rogan 57:23 Oliveira is a monster. People think of Oliveira as not being a monster 'cause there's times when people have beaten him. Like Paul Felder smashed him and there's... A lot of guys have beat him. Cub Swanson KO'd him. Guys have beaten him, but he got better.

Brian Simpson 57:36 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 57:36 And you gotta, you gotta, you gotta accept that and not think of, like, when he lost. Don't-

Brian Simpson 57:40 'Cause how many people... Well, who gets better at 35? I, I, like, I'm not-

Joe Rogan 57:43 He's not, I don't believe he's 35.

Brian Simpson 57:44 No?

Joe Rogan 57:45 No, I think he's younger than that and he's, uh, I think he's 33. And I also think that he got into the UFC when he was 20.

Brian Simpson 57:51 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:51 And so part of the problem was, like, he was learning and developing and growing as an elite, in an elite organization. How old is he? 32.

Brian Simpson 57:58 Oh, okay, wow.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Excuse me, 32. So, you see, he's been around a long-ass time, but he came into his own over the last few years, which kind of makes sense. Like, he figured it out somewhere around 27, 28. But he comes... Look, these guys are elite, right? They come close to beating him, but he finds a way to beat them. And the way he does it is so final. The way he beat Poirier, man, that choke was so fucking good. It was so good.

Brian Simpson 58:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:23 And that's the, the same way... The world found out about him was Efrain Escudero who won The Ultimate Fighter, so, who was a very good fighter himself. He fought Oliveira and Oliveira took his back same way, standing up, and choked him out. And, uh, that's when we first saw him, and that was the first time I real- uh, I recognized. I'm like, "Man, this kid is talented." But then it was like, his jiu-jitsu was really good, but maybe his striking wasn't as good as his jiu-jitsu. And then slowly, his jiu-jitsu and striking merged where they're... He's like equal.

Brian Simpson 58:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:53 In bo- both of them, he's lethal in. He's lethal in his striking and lethal in his jiu-jitsu. But the difference is, his level of jiu-jitsu is a b- a leap higher than most of the people he's competing against.

Brian Simpson 59:05 I didn't realize that.

Joe Rogan 59:06 He has the most submissions in the history of the UFC. Make sure that's true.

Brian Simpson 59:10 Yeah, the-

Joe Rogan 59:10 I'm pretty sure that's true.

Brian Simpson 59:11 That al- that also blew my... 'Cause they were saying that during the broadcast.

Joe Rogan 59:13 Yeah.

Brian Simpson 59:13 That blows my mind, but it's also like, everybody... I'm always like... I'm always in my mind going, "I wanna see this guy fight Khabib."

Joe Rogan 59:22 Oh yes, that would've been the fight.

Brian Simpson 59:23 God! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:23 And maybe it could be, maybe it could be still.

Brian Simpson 59:25 I'd do anything to see that fight.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Look, maybe it could be still. Khabib might decide at one point in time, you know... Okay, Charles Oliveira holds the record for the most submission wins with a mind-boggling 14 wins. Click on that 'cause I think it's 15 now, because I think that might be a, uh, article that was written-

Brian Simpson 59:41 Yeah, the-

Joe Rogan 59:42 ... the pre- before-

Brian Simpson 59:42 ... before the fight.

Joe Rogan 59:42 ... the Poirier fight, I think. I think. Ah, doesn't matter. Um, either way, Oliveira holds the record and it, the wa- it's the way he does it, man. There's... It's... Jiu-jitsu is a wild thing. Like, there's guys that are smaller than me and I'll, I'll grapple with them, and I'm in deep danger from the moment it starts, w- the moment you start sparring 'cause they're just so much better than me.

Brian Simpson 1:00:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 They're just h- better. And that's the difference between Oliveira and these guys. It's like, they're all really good standing up. He's really good standing up. So there's kind of like an even playing field. But when that motherfucker gets ahold of you, you're in deep danger.

Brian Simpson 1:00:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Terrifying danger where you can't make any mistakes.

Brian Simpson 1:00:22 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Oh yeah, 15. See? Damn, this brain is like a steel trap.

Brian Simpson 1:00:25 That was in the article from 2020.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Occasionally...

Brian Simpson 1:00:27 Yeah, and he's like... Yeah, it's like, the, the, it's him and Khabib are scary that way where it's like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Yes.

Brian Simpson 1:00:31 'Cause after that fight, I went back and watched like all hi- all his highlights and all-

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 Yes.

Brian Simpson 1:00:35 ... 'cause, you know, you hear that. And it's like, yeah, it, it's a... There's a precision to... There's a predator-like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Mm-hmm.

Brian Simpson 1:00:41 ... like precision where he pounces on the... Like, as soon as you give him an opening-

Joe Rogan 1:00:45 Yes.

Brian Simpson 1:00:45 ... it's, it's a wrap.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Well see, the thing is, Khabib can do that too, but Khabib chooses to smash you.... or what, like he, the way he says it, "Smash."

Narrator 1:00:54 Smash. Smash.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Smash. He smashes people. Khabib smashes people. But if you look at the Justin Gaethje fight, Khabib submitted Gaethje. He almost submitted him in the b- the end of the first round, and they submitted him in the second round. And the, one of the reasons why he did that, now this is supposedly, I don't know if this is true, but what they said is that, and I know this was true, that they do like each other. And that, uh, Justin actually helped Khabib cut weight, sat in with him, 'cause one of the things about cutting weight is if there's someone there talking to you, it helps you through it, especially someone ... They're, they're also managed by the same guy. So they have the same manager and they got together and w- so when they had that fight, Khabib liked him so he says, "I'm just going to submit this dude." So he got ahold of him, did his normal shit, g- g- gets his wrestling going, but then almost ... So this is the beginning of the first round. He chose to beat him in a way that he wouldn't have chosen to beat Conor. When he was on top of Conor, he's smashing his face.

Narrator 1:01:44 Yeah, he was, he was trying to hurt that motherf-

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 And he's going, "Let's talk now. Let's talk now." Bam! Bam! "Let's talk." Bam! Just beating the fuck out of him. See, in this, he chooses to go straight to an armbar. This is very unusual for him. But this is Khabib's respect for Gaethje as a, as a person, as a fighter, and also he can do this. He can do this. So this is the end of the first round. So he almost c- catches him at the end of the first round with an armbar, very close, but the end of the second round-

Narrator 1:02:11 Now he's just, now he's just ragdolling.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Yeah. He gets ahold of him, dumps him-

Narrator 1:02:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 ... takes his back. I mean, it's just the precision, and then he decided to go for a mounted triangle. And so when you watch him do this, he does this with such amazing control. He's, he's doing it very quickly. Look how quickly he sets this up, just, he's just deciding he's gonna do it period from the jump. Then he locks in the triangle and that's a wrap, son. That is a death triangle. Look at it. G- Justin has to tap. There is no question at all, he's going out. And the referee lets him go and, and Justin's out cold.

Narrator 1:02:41 Yeah, and like he didn't, he didn't struggle at all.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Yeah. He tapped and then he went out. Uh, but the way he did it, he went through him. He went right through him. I think Khabib could do that to almost anybody, e- except maybe Oliveira. I think Khabib, the guys that Khabib beat that he smashed, I think a lot of those guys he could have submitted too. I think Khabib is that elite of, especially like at the later stages of his career when he was just the GOAT. And he's, uh, arguably one of the absolute best submission artists, even though he smashes so many people.

Narrator 1:03:15 Are you talking about Khabib?

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Yeah.

Narrator 1:03:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 He's arguably one of the very best submission artists as well as being one of the greatest fighters of all time. You watch the way he goes through Gaethje like that, that is elite high-level precision submission. Oliveira does that too. Oliveira does it, man, it's, that's what makes you think like, "Wow, that would, that would make the fight with Khabib so interesting." And I know Khabib has a lot of respect for him too, because Khabib said to Gaethje, there was an article that I was reading where he was saying, "Hey, you got to be aware of this guy. This guy is fucking for real. This guy's really dangerous." Like people look-

Narrator 1:03:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 ... at some of the losses that Oliveira had. You can't look at those. You got to look at the wins. You got to look at who he is now. Don't look at who he is five years ago or six years ago. Look who he is right now.

Narrator 1:03:54 So was that when the last, is that the last time he lost?

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 I think if, no, I don't think it's that long ago. He, he, uh, had a fight with Felder and he caught Felder, I believe, in a guillotine, and then Felder got out of it and smashed him and stopped him. But Felder's the fucking man. You know, people forget how goddamn good Paul Felder is. You know, Paul Felder may have retired and may have never won the title, but y- push the top back, push the top back. The other way. There you go. Now do it. Um, but Felder is an elite fighter. He's an absolutely elite fighter. There's, there's a thing when you get to the top level of, uh, a division where it's on any given Saturday night. Any given Saturday night, one guy could be going through camp with a back problem and, you know, he's trying-

Narrator 1:04:41 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 ... to nurse a fucked up knee and he's trying to do his best and he keeps the fight anyway. So this is Felder. So Oliveira's got his leg here. He came really close to a leg lock, but Felder can grapple, and he's also very strong and very big for the weight class. So Felder eventually wound up on top, and Felder, uh, beat the fuck out of him on top. Look at these nasty smashing elbows from the guard. The, I think this is the last time that Oliveira lost, and if I wanna, I wanna guess this is 2018. I'm taking a guess.

Narrator 1:05:12 Well, the video was... that I have here was posted '21, so it's not that-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Yeah, it's not from then. I think, I want to say that fight was 2018. But again, Felder's a fucking monster. So, but I think he was the last guy to beat Oliveira. I'm not sure about-

Narrator 1:05:26 For sure.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 ... that though. But, but w- who he is right now, though? That, right now, that guy is the fucking man. That's who he is. I'm super excited-

Narrator 1:05:34 Oh, Oliveira?

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 ... to see him against Gaethje. Yeah.

Narrator 1:05:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 Him against Gaethje, that's the, that's a real fucking te- not that Dustin wasn't a real test too, but Gaethje is another kind of real test.

Narrator 1:05:44 I'm, I'm waiting to see, I want to see-

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Yeah, Felder's his last loss, so that was 2017. Okay.

Narrator 1:05:49 I want to see the Nunez rematch.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 Yeah, that's gonna be interesting then.

Narrator 1:05:53 Like if there, if there, if there was anything that was sure, if there was anything that felt like a sure bet-

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 (exhales) It's-

Narrator 1:05:58 It was, it was betting on her, man. I wa- I was, I was completely in disbelief.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 One of the biggest upsets ever, if not the biggest upset. I said it was the greatest upset in the history of combat sports, and in the moment, I thought that, and in time I've thought about it, I said, "Well, all combat sports, you got to go to Buster Douglas versus Mike Tyson."

Narrator 1:06:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 I think that's the biggest upset-

Narrator 1:06:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 ... in the history of combat sports.

Narrator 1:06:19 Or maybe all of sports.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Yeah, but it, when it comes to MMA, Holly Holm against r- um, a- against, um, Rhonda Rousey-

Narrator 1:06:27 Rhonda Rousey.

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 ... was very close too. That was close too. A lot of people thought Rhonda was unstoppable.

Narrator 1:06:31 Yeah, I think-

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 It-

Narrator 1:06:32 In the, in the moment, people felt that way.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 Yeah.

Narrator 1:06:35 But afterwards, but like looking back on it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 But they didn't think that Holly was incompetent, like, and they didn't think that Juliana was either. But Holly was an eight-time world boxing champion, she was a kickboxing champion, like everybody knew she was a nasty threat on the feet. Juliana did not have the same sort of credentials in terms of like the things that she's won, you know, so everybody knew she was really tough, everybody knew she wanted that fight, she was calling for that fight, when nobody wants to fight Amanda Nunes. She beats the fuck out of people. She knocked-

Narrator 1:07:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 ... out Cyborg in one round.

Narrator 1:07:04 She didn't look the same.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Dude, there's a lot in fights, a lot happens in fights.

Brian Simpson 1:07:08 She, she looked thinner. She looked... 'Cause m- She didn't always have that, uh, that definition, you know what I mean? She-

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 Well, you gotta realize, the last two fights, she's been fighting at 45, 'cause she's the champ at 45-

Brian Simpson 1:07:17 Oh, right, and 35.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 ... and 35.

Brian Simpson 1:07:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 So this is a fight at 35. And you know what, man? She, she might be experiencing some