Joe Rogan Experience #1758 - Carrot Top

1. 0:00 – 1:07

   Meeting for the first time + Carrot Top’s Instagram movie reenactments

   1. CTCarrot Top0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Cheers, sir.

   4. CTCarrot Top0:14

      Dude, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Uh, happy New Year.

   6. CTCarrot Top0:15

      Happy New Year to you, too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      And very nice to officially meet you.

   8. CTCarrot Top0:17

      Yeah, it's cool. Hmm. (glasses clink) Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I follow you on the Instagram. Watch your posts-

   10. CTCarrot Top0:22

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       ... all the time.

   12. CTCarrot Top0:23

       Okay, good. Yeah, I follow you, too.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       See what a big, silly goose, you're having a good time.

   14. CTCarrot Top0:26

       Yes. (laughs) I've been doing these, uh, these little, um, in... what do you call it? Where you kind of reenact a scene from movies, and it's been really fun. And it's hard 'cause you have to, you have to, like, know the scene really well. So I've done, like, the Planes, Trains, and All... you know, My fucking car?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CTCarrot Top0:41

       My fucking w-... Um, so it's been fun. It's, um, my new little, uh, gig. But yeah, I try to keep it fun, Instagram, for-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       No, you definitely do. And y- you're obviously... You've done a lot of radio 'cause you have one ear on-

   18. CTCarrot Top0:52

       I, you know, so... (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... and one ear off. That's... Jim Norton always does that.

   20. CTCarrot Top0:53

       Now that I'm this retarded, no, I, I do it...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       (laughs)

   22. CTCarrot Top0:55

       ... this in p-... Oh, Jim Norton does that too?

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah.

   24. CTCarrot Top0:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       A lot of people do that-

   26. CTCarrot Top0:58

       I don't know. I like, uh...

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       ... who don't do a lot of radio.

   28. CTCarrot Top0:59

       Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So I like doing it like...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Yeah, they want, like, a little amb- ambiance.

   30. CTCarrot Top1:01

       Yeah, a little bit of... Yeah, a little... Exactly, exactly.
2. 1:07 – 4:10

   Being the industry’s punching bag: peer approval, criticism, and validation

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      Yeah, we've, uh, been doing comedy for so fucking long and that we've never met. It's kind of funny.

   2. CTCarrot Top1:11

      And, and that is bizarre. I mean, you've been doing it, um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:14

      30 plus years.

   4. CTCarrot Top1:15

      Yeah, same.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      Yeah.

   6. CTCarrot Top1:15

      I started in 1985.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:17

      Yeah, I started in '88, so I had to reach out.

   8. CTCarrot Top1:19

      All right, I got my three.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Did you...

   10. CTCarrot Top1:21

       I'm the veteran here, fuck. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Um, you're a funny guy, man.

   12. CTCarrot Top1:24

       Oh, thank you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       And you take... You at least used to take a lot of shit. And I-

   14. CTCarrot Top1:28

       I, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       I never understood it.

   16. CTCarrot Top1:29

       I never under... Uh, I don't... I don't either. I never have understood that. But it's mellowed out a little bit because it's kinda like, you know, you've done it so long, you, you're-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       Yeah.

   18. CTCarrot Top1:36

       ... kinda like, okay, you can go to the barbecue now. You're a part of the club.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       (laughs)

   20. CTCarrot Top1:40

       But, um, for years and years, I mean, uh, from, from the very, very beginning, which is kind of funny, you being a comic W-... But when I started in Florida, um, one thing everybody worried about was, uh, was, you know, th- thief or, you know-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   22. CTCarrot Top1:51

       ... you don't want to steal, you know. I stole Zach's act, so I thought, "You know, not only did I do my, my thing just because I wanted to do props." But I thought, "Wow, no one's gonna hate me because I'm doing... I'm not doing anyone's..." I mean, I'm, you know, stealing Crime Watch signs and shit, so-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:05

       Right. (laughs)

   24. CTCarrot Top2:06

       ... and lugging 'em around the country. So if anything, they would say, you know, "Okay, he's not funny," or, "He's... At least he's original, but he's not funny." But they would say, "Oh, no, he's..." you know, everything. They... I just got... I would get shit for... Uh, like, I was the shit. Like, I was just filling the punchline, just-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       Yeah, you were-

   26. CTCarrot Top2:21

       ... little bit more like Carrot Top.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       ... you were a whipping boy.

   28. CTCarrot Top2:23

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       You know what it's like? You're like the... It's like Nickelback. For whatever Nickelback takes so much shit-

   30. CTCarrot Top2:29

       Yeah.
3. 4:10 – 8:19

   Owning prop comedy: influences, originality, and the Gallagher confrontation

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      Well, I think, first of all, you own the genre now. There used to be, like, when I started in '88, there used to be-

   2. CTCarrot Top4:17

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:18

      ... prop comics.

   4. CTCarrot Top4:19

      Y- yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:19

      You became so successful as a prop comic that you own the genre. Like, there's no prop comics anymore, man.

   6. CTCarrot Top4:25

      I think... I know (laughs) . I don't think anyone wants to be one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      (laughs)

   8. CTCarrot Top4:28

      That's what I think. They're like, "Fuck that, I'm not going down that path."

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:31

      (laughs)

   10. CTCarrot Top4:31

       "I gotta... I'm gonna take over all the abuse that I took." I'd tell 'em, "Don't do it."

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       (laughs)

   12. CTCarrot Top4:36

       Um, but then we had, though, like you said, though, uh, Rip Taylor or-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah.

   14. CTCarrot Top4:39

       ... um, Gallagher.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CTCarrot Top4:40

       Uh, and, and by the way, Gallagher was a b- very much of an influence, uh, on me when I was... when I started doing, uh, comedy at night, and, um, I'd, I, I, I would get, uh... Well, I, I should just tell you 'cause so, so, uh, one day, Gallagher meets me for lunch and, and I hope Gallagher's listening. So he, um, he's up my... I'm... He's yelling at me and screaming at me in front of everybody, in front of the, like, the valet. And he says I stole his act. And I was like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       What?

   18. CTCarrot Top5:05

       ... "Gallagher." Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       He meets you for lunch-

   20. CTCarrot Top5:07

       I mean, but-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       ... to yell at you?

   22. CTCarrot Top5:08

       Yeah, well, I think we've made up since, I think. He came to the show and told me how to redo it, but, uh... No, he did. He's, uh... (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       I've heard him on Stuart, dude.

   24. CTCarrot Top5:15

       He said, "Get rid of that."

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:16

       He sounds fucking crazy.

   26. CTCarrot Top5:18

       "Get rid of that." And, and, and, and, you know, stopped doing props. So, um, yeah. So, uh, I... But the thing that I thought was kinda funny because I... In my defense of Gallagher, I used to always say, um, it's not the watermelon that's... He's a really brilliant comic. I mean, you can go back and listen to his, his writing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:37

       Yeah.

   28. CTCarrot Top5:37

       It was great. But all people knew was him jumping on a big couch and hitting-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       Right.

   30. CTCarrot Top5:41

       ... hitting a watermelon. But I would always say, "No, that guy's a genius." And so then he meets me and he tells me, "You know what? You, you st- you stole my act. And you didn't steal the... You stole the stupid stuff." And I said, "We talked." I didn't... Well, first of all, I didn't steal anything. He says, "Hey, the stupid stuff. Why didn't you steal the smart stuff? The words, the stuff that's actually clever? Why would you steal..." I said, "But I didn't steal..."... it's my stupid stuff. I didn't-
4. 8:19 – 14:13

   Life in Las Vegas: residency realities, touring, and the logistics of “so much stuff”

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      What is it like having a Vegas residency? 'Cause I've always thought about that, like, there's people that I think did it where maybe they probably shouldn't have done it, and then there's people like you, that it seemed ... you seem to be having a good time doing it.

   2. CTCarrot Top8:32

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      And then you still do occasional shows in other spots?

   4. CTCarrot Top8:35

      I mean, yeah. Yeah, I love it. I mean, I was telling your guys out front there a bit ago, uh, that, uh, in the beginning I was very reluctant 'cause I was more road guy-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      Yeah.

   6. CTCarrot Top8:42

      ... and so I would do, you know, the road and live on a tour bus and that. And then they, they offered the gig, and I was like, "Uh ... " So I started doing, like, just a couple weeks, which now they call residencies. It's a ... Residencies, when, you know, you live there, it's resident-

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:57

      Right.

   8. CTCarrot Top8:57

      Right. But now you have a, a weekend, "Oh, they're doing a residency," so, uh, so I said, "Ah, I'll do two weeks at a time then." It was kinda rough. I was a you- I was, I wasn't ... The Vegas is a different beast. I just wasn't ready for a, people sitting in, you know, like, booths and eating, you know, like dinner show eating, and sli- kinda getting slouched. And I was like, "I'm used to people like," you know-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:19

      Psyched for the show.

   10. CTCarrot Top9:20

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Yeah. They're coming out to see you.

   12. CTCarrot Top9:22

       And like George Carlin would tell me-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:23

       Yeah.

   14. CTCarrot Top9:23

       ... how many times he says, "You know, y- may- we couldn't get into ... Oh, so fuck it, I'm gonna go see Carlin," kinda thing. So, as I've gotten more fans, I think I'm getting more of my audience. But back then, there was just people that were, you know, going by a buffet, going, "I'll get a Carrot Top ticket and whatever, check it out."

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:36

       How long you been doing it now in Vegas?

   16. CTCarrot Top9:38

       Uh, this is 16 at the Luxor, and then 10-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Wow.

   18. CTCarrot Top9:41

       ... 10 at the MGM. So 20 s-

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       26 years?

   20. CTCarrot Top9:44

       And then at Bally's once, one year, I mean. Sorry. So 27 years?

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       Wow. So you've been in Vegas for-

   22. CTCarrot Top9:50

       Penn & Teller have been going back and forth on who's the, been the longest. And I say, "Well, I do all the work. You have fucking Teller, right?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:57

       (laughs)

   24. CTCarrot Top9:57

       So I (laughs) , I win by default.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Well, y- you know-

   26. CTCarrot Top10:01

       I mean, Teller doesn't do shit, he just stands there.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       Penn and Teller, that's a very ... they're very unique people.

   28. CTCarrot Top10:06

       Absolu- very, very unique, yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       And, you know, Penn is a, is a super interesting guy. And he, you really wouldn't think that he would fit in in Vegas. Like-

   30. CTCarrot Top10:14

       Penn?
5. 14:13 – 19:25

   Pandemic whiplash: reopening Vegas, distanced theaters, and fear vs purpose

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:13

      A lot of fucking people moved to Vegas this year.

   2. CTCarrot Top14:17

      Oh yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:17

      I have quite a few friends that moved there that either, you know, they were either thinking about Arizona, Texas, Nashville or Vegas.

   4. CTCarrot Top14:24

      Yeah, I'd say those are the big... And Nashville's another one and, and even Austin but it's growing like crazy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:28

      Yeah. Austin's bananas right now.

   6. CTCarrot Top14:31

      I mean it's just... My niece goes here. She's at University of Texas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:35

      Yeah. I have like 10 of my friends moved here. It's... But it's, it's better you know?

   8. CTCarrot Top14:40

      Yeah, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:40

      I mean, California is just too fucked right now and so it was one of those things where...

   10. CTCarrot Top14:45

       I... Yeah. I, I, I lived there for a bit n- near Malibu and I, and I, you know, I was not... And once I got the Vegas thing I just kind of got out of it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       Well, I loved it before the shit hit the fan.

   12. CTCarrot Top14:56

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       Because the Comedy Store was there.

   14. CTCarrot Top14:58

       Yeah, sure. Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       All my friends were there. But i- when we realized that the government can stop you from working, that... And you know, not just for two weeks but for fucking almost two years.

   16. CTCarrot Top15:07

       Yeah, yeah. For a year. Yeah. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:08

       It was so long before they allowed indoor shows again. I was like, "These people are out of their fucking minds." Like, you got to let people make their own choices. Also, this is a respiratory virus. You're, you're not stopping shit, as you can see.

   18. CTCarrot Top15:19

       Yeah. Yup, it's very true. Um, we, I was talking to, uh, the girl out there, um, about when we first got back. We were, we were, very first show back in Vegas and it was, uh, one of those things where, uh, there was just, you know, "We want you back." And I said, "Well, who else is coming back?" They said, "Nobody. Just you." And I said, "What?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       You were the first show back?

   20. CTCarrot Top15:40

       First one. But I think it's because I was the only guy on stage. So at the shows with all the dancers and things... And even with, you know, other people. So I was the only one. Penn and Teller didn't want to do it and, you know, Criss Angel didn't want to do it. No one wanted to go back and, and I, I was dying to go back. I was, you know, uh, a year of sitting in... I mean, it was nice sitting in my boat in Florida but at the same time you're like, "I'm losing my sense of purpose, like what the fuck. I gotta, I gotta perform again." You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Yeah.

   22. CTCarrot Top16:06

       So, yeah, I went back and, and then, uh, but the weird part we could, they put us in this 2200 seat theater. Um, it was the old Criss Angel theater when he played there and it was only 100 people allowed. So you had 2-

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:19

       2200 theater and 100 people?

   24. CTCarrot Top16:20

       200 seats. Yeah. 100 people and sep- distanced.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       Yeah.

   26. CTCarrot Top16:24

       And a, a 40-foot moat.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       What?

   28. CTCarrot Top16:27

       Yeah. So-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       40 feet between you and them? (laughs)

   30. CTCarrot Top16:29

       For the, for the... I swear to God, right?
6. 19:25 – 23:52

   Old-school road stories: NACA college gigs and the ‘breezeway’ show refusal

   1. CTCarrot Top19:25

      You know, J- Dave, uh, and I, we, we did shows together back in, uh, doing colleges, uh, in-

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      Oh, in the NACA days?

   3. CTCarrot Top19:32

      Yeah, in NACA days.

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:33

      Oh, wow.

   5. CTCarrot Top19:34

      And, uh, this is a great... Every time I see Dave, he always says the same thing. He says, "Man, that, that..." So I'll tell you what happened. So we, we were, we played so- it was like Kansas or, uh, m- m- Iowa, some Midwest town, and we did the show. And then afterwards, you know, we were young then. He says, "Let's, let's go get a drink." So we go get a drink, and we, and, uh, we have all these college kids. And finally we were like, "We're too old for this. Let's just go back to the hotel." It was like a little La Quinta, which is Spanish, behind Denny's by the way. So we go to La Quinta, and, and this was before we had cell phones. So I said, "Hey, let's exchange numbers." And he says, "Yeah, man, let's do that." So he leans over the counter and grabs a pen out and writes his, his number down. And this guy comes out and says, "Did, did you just take money out of the cash register," and we're like, "What?" And he's like, "Did you just steal money out of the cash register?" And we're like, looked at each other. I'm like, "No, we just..." And Dave's like, "I just grabbed a pen to exchange numbers, man. Take it easy. We're..." I said, "We're the comedians, uh, you know, playing in town." He's like, "I'm calling the cops."

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:36

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

   7. CTCarrot Top20:36

      And I said to Dave, or no, Dave says, "Call the cops," and I said, "Is that camera work?" And he says, "What? The one right there?" And he goes... I said, he says, "Yep." I said, "Well, we're gonna find out then." I said, "Make sure that you got the footage of that," because, uh, we grabbed a pen. (laughs) We didn't grab cash out of that register. And sure enough, he's like, "You boys better get, get on." We're like, "We didn't, we just wanted to exchange numbers." Weird, right? Guy thought we took money out of the register. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:03

      Well, you know, some people live in a world of shit.

   9. CTCarrot Top21:06

      Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:06

       You know, and you just dipped your toes into their world.

   11. CTCarrot Top21:10

       Yeah. We're like, "Well, we didn't take money, dude."

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       That's, yeah.

   13. CTCarrot Top21:13

       We should've.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       That's pretty sad.

   15. CTCarrot Top21:15

       (clears throat) We were, you know, we were broke comics. We should've actually taken money out of the register.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:21

       Those college gigs were always weird, man.

   17. CTCarrot Top21:23

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       There, you'd travel to these strange universities that would have comics-

   19. CTCarrot Top21:27

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       ... come and-

   21. CTCarrot Top21:28

       Yep.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       You know?

   23. CTCarrot Top21:29

       I used to do all that for, for years. I did a, goodness. Like, I'd do the morning, like, in a, in a cafeteria.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       Uh-huh.

   25. CTCarrot Top21:37

       Uh, literally.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:38

       Yeah, I did those.

   27. CTCarrot Top21:38

       Some of those, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       Standing on a cafeteria table.

   29. CTCarrot Top21:41

       Yeah, yes, literally.

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:42

       Yeah.
7. 23:52 – 25:49

   Comedy, outrage, and ‘can you still do that?’—from old props to modern activism

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:52

      I know a lot of comics that refuse to do colleges now.

   2. CTCarrot Top23:55

      Well, now I wouldn't.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:56

      Yeah, they're just too, too ridiculous.

   4. CTCarrot Top23:57

      No, I wouldn't, I don't think I would do a college now. And I used to-

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:00

      No.

   6. CTCarrot Top24:00

      That's, I lived on those for so many... and it's not against the person that the college is, it's just I think, like you just said, it's probably, um-I don't know. The audiences that... What do they... We... I mean, half my act you can't do. Like, I go back and look at stuff that I did on The Tonight Show, um, Regis and Kathie Lee. I could... I, I still do it in my show because fuck it, I just, I just do what I do. I don't, I don't-

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:22

      Right.

   8. CTCarrot Top24:23

      ... I, I just, you know, and people, "Ooh," they, "Ooh." And I go, "It, it, there's worse shit coming. Take it easy." But I would have like a, you know, a m- a mousetrap to catch gay mice. It was a little mousetrap with a mirror ball on, on it and it would spin.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:34

      (laughs)

   10. CTCarrot Top24:34

       It'd fuck them kill, right? And even Garry Shandling. I would do The Tonight Show and Garry Shandling is, is watching me and he came over and he said, "That was great, the fucking gay rou- mousetrap thing." Right? And so you look at it now and you... But that was on network television, like 8:00-

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:48

       Yeah.

   12. CTCarrot Top24:48

       ... 9:00 in the morning.

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:49

       Right.

   14. CTCarrot Top24:50

       And I could do that. I had a plate for bulimics. It was a toilet seat with a plate built into it-

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:54

       (laughs)

   16. CTCarrot Top24:54

       ... so you could eat and throw up. It was all this shit but, uh, you think about it now and they'd be like, "Oh, God. You can't do that."

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       Yeah.

   18. CTCarrot Top24:59

       "What are you crazy?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:00

       Well, you can. You just have to take-

   20. CTCarrot Top25:03

       And I say, "Yes, I can." (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:03

       You just have to take some heat. But the thing is about colleges is, like, they, they will instantaneously become activists and try to shut you down.

   22. CTCarrot Top25:10

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what-

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:11

       They'll just decide-

   24. CTCarrot Top25:12

       That's what I mean. That's what I mean. It's like... It's kinda like... Kind of... And, and my show's so silly, that's what's-

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:16

       Yeah. That's a fun-

   26. CTCarrot Top25:17

       It's a silly show.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:17

       Gay mice trap is a funny thing, man.

   28. CTCarrot Top25:19

       Gay mice trap's funny. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       Why, I mean, why is it even negative? It's not negative.

   30. CTCarrot Top25:21

       No, it's not. But you know, you know what I mean though.
8. 25:49 – 30:45

   Chappelle controversy and the social media mob: Patton Oswalt’s apology debate

   1. CTCarrot Top25:49

      Well, even like with, with Dave. You know, Dave, um, when all that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:51

      Yeah.

   3. CTCarrot Top25:51

      ... went down. It... You know this probably more than I know, but they, they didn't show a lot of the people that were pro, pro for him.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      Well, here's the thing-

   5. CTCarrot Top25:58

      They kept showing the people that are against it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:59

      Here's the thing they didn't do with Dave. They didn't quote any of the material. If you notice it, they kept saying it's transphobic, it's transphobic, but it's one of the very rare times where someone's being accused of something, but there's not a specific thing that they point to-

   7. CTCarrot Top26:13

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:13

      ... where they say that this is egregious-

   9. CTCarrot Top26:15

      Right, right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:15

       ... this is, this is transphobic. It's not transphobic.

   11. CTCarrot Top26:17

       Right, right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       It's essentially like... It's a long love letter to a friend of his that killed herself. I mean, that's really what that part of it is. And he's saying that a lot of it is because this woman who he was friends with got dragged online and attacked in DMs-

   13. CTCarrot Top26:37

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:37

       ... and stuff by other people that were in the trans community that said that she shouldn't stand up for Dave Chappelle and she wound up killing herself. This was-

   15. CTCarrot Top26:45

       Yeah, that's-

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:46

       It's not a transphobic bit. It's not.

   17. CTCarrot Top26:48

       No, no.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:48

       It's, it's like him trying to ex-... You know, if, if you're gonna give it any criticism at all, I think you could say that he talks about trans people a lot.

   19. CTCarrot Top26:58

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       I mean, it's been a major subject matter for him for the last couple specials.

   21. CTCarrot Top27:02

       Yeah. I remember the last couple-

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:02

       But I think it's because-

   23. CTCarrot Top27:04

       ... specials he talked about that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:04

       But I think that's because... Look, he's the most beloved comedian of our time, he's one of the greatest comedians of all time if not the greatest, and if you look at his career, this is like really the first time he's ever been attacked-

   25. CTCarrot Top27:18

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:18

       ... about things. And so this is his response to it. It's a... You know, it's unusual for him, so I think he just wants to get his point across as clearly as possible and then he'll move on to other subject matter.

   27. CTCarrot Top27:29

       Right, right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:29

       So he's, he's devoted a lot of time to it. But when they say it's transphobic, they're, they're not being accurate. They're just looking at if he's covering the subject matter at all and he's doing it with humor, all of a sudden you can look at it as transphobic.

   29. CTCarrot Top27:43

       Yeah. It's interesting.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:45

       It's not right.
9. 30:45 – 48:33

   Whiskey, hotel mini-bars, and ‘heroic doses of fame’ (Elvis, MJ, celebrity pressure)

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      You want some f- real whiskey, get outta here with that.

   2. CTCarrot Top30:46

      Well, what do you mean real whiskey? Was that, was that Trace, uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      Buffalo Trace.

   4. CTCarrot Top30:49

      Buffalo Trace Atkins? Buffalo Trace Atkins.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:52

      (laughs) That's, that's real shit. (door creaks) It's America right there. That's America before it was America.

   6. CTCarrot Top30:56

      That is America, I like that. Right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:56

      Yeah.

   8. CTCarrot Top30:57

      Thank you. (drink slurps) You're definitely doing better than me. Look at his, look at mine. Hm. (drink glugs) (exhales)

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      Well, there's nothing wrong with Crown.

   10. CTCarrot Top31:08

       That's what I can afford, I can afford.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       You stole it from the hotel bar.

   12. CTCarrot Top31:09

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Stop lying. (laughs)

   14. CTCarrot Top31:10

       From your hotel bar. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       It's not my hotel. (laughs) He just is where you put me after you left. It's just where we put you up.

   16. CTCarrot Top31:15

       Yeah, that's right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       Well, we'll pay for that, feel free.

   18. CTCarrot Top31:17

       I stole it. I hope so.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Take 'em all.

   20. CTCarrot Top31:18

       Fuck, come on.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Fill your pillowcase up. (laughs)

   22. CTCarrot Top31:23

       (laughs) Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Yeah, hotel bars are very strange.

   24. CTCarrot Top31:25

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       It's like they just assume you're a drunk.

   26. CTCarrot Top31:27

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       They're like-

   28. CTCarrot Top31:28

       Well, they ha- there's some now on the road where, where they, where they have, they're weighted, which is kinda funny, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       Oh, right. You pick it up and you get-

   30. CTCarrot Top31:33

       And it goes whoop, and it, yeah, when, once you move it, it's-
10. 48:33 – 1:12:16

    Bill Hicks’ Carrot Top joke—and the backstage blessing near the end

    1. CTCarrot Top48:33

       So I tell you my Bill Hicks?

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:35

       Bill Hicks, yeah.

    3. CTCarrot Top48:35

       All right, only because this is, uh, it started out where another, you know, some people were ripping on me. So Bill Hick-

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:40

       You know the Bill Hicks bit?

    5. CTCarrot Top48:41

       Which one is it?

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:42

       The one about you?

    7. CTCarrot Top48:42

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:42

       Yeah.

    9. CTCarrot Top48:42

       That's what I'm gonna say first. So Bill Hicks says they're, they're draining lakes and putting in bleachers to see Carrot Top.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:48

        Yeah. (laughs)

    11. CTCarrot Top48:48

        And, uh, which is a great... (laughs) It's hilarious.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:51

        That's a great line.

    13. CTCarrot Top48:52

        It is a great line. Um, and here I am, fucking 20 people, and they're draining lakes and putting in bleachers to see fucking Carrot Top. And so I'm thinking, you know, I'm just thinking, "Oh, another hater," right? So I'm, you know, I'm, I'm playing in West Palm Beach at the Comedy Corner, which was the club when I wanted to... When I started. It was like, I w- I went there to audition, and all of a sudden, I'm, I'm headlining this club. And Colleen McGarr was dating Bill Hicks at the time.

    14. JRJoe Rogan49:18

        Yes.

    15. CTCarrot Top49:19

        And so he was sick. Uh-

    16. JRJoe Rogan49:21

        That was when he had cancer?

    17. CTCarrot Top49:22

        Yeah. And so I... All I said to her was, um, she said something about, um... I s- I, I didn't know he was even there. I just knew she was dating him. And I said... It was, like, between shows, and I said, "Could you just, um, pass on to Bill Hicks that, uh, you know, I hope I didn't, he doesn't hate me?" And, uh, 'cause she said, "You did such a great show." And I said, "Yeah. Tell Bill, pass on, if you call him later, tell him that I hope he didn't, he doesn't hate me, and I just, you know, I'm a huge fan." And, um, the year I won Best Comedian of the Year, he was in the, he was in the running. So it was like, I almost was like... You know, the fact that I won pissed everybody off 'cause you got Bill Hicks-

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:04

        What was the award?

    19. CTCarrot Top50:05

        Don-

    20. JRJoe Rogan50:06

        American Comedy Awards?

    21. CTCarrot Top50:07

        Yeah, Don Morera, Bill Hicks, me, and two others, I'm forgetting now, but I remember there was two. And, um, and the, the, what's her name from Atlanta, the tall blonde? She brings me up. She goes, "The winner is Carrot Top." And I go up, and it's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan50:21

        Whoa.

    23. CTCarrot Top50:22

        ... well-

    24. JRJoe Rogan50:22

        She said it like that?

    25. CTCarrot Top50:22

        Well, she was kind of like, you know, whatever. Brett Butler. And so I go up, and, and I accept it, and it was just, it was almost like I wish, I wish I hadn't won, because it was like, you know, I wanted Bill Hicks to win.

    26. JRJoe Rogan50:35

        Yeah.

    27. CTCarrot Top50:35

        Um, so anyway, I set up my show for the second show, and Colleen says, uh, "Come with me real quick. I wanna tell you something." So she walks me into the hallway, and who's standing in front of me? Bill Hicks. And it was like, um, maybe a couple of weeks before he had passed. And he was really sick. And I remember really thin, and he had, like, it was just, it was, it was just weird. And, and-

    28. JRJoe Rogan51:03

        He had a distended belly?

    29. CTCarrot Top51:05

        Yeah, and just, I mean, green, and it was just-

    30. JRJoe Rogan51:08

        No.

Episode duration: 2:26:36