Joe Rogan Experience #1760 - Adam Curry

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Do, do, do, do, do, do.

Adam Curry 0:15 Da, da, da, dum, bum, bum, bum, ba, da, da.

Joe Rogan 0:19 An audience with the pod father, ladies and gentlemen.

Adam Curry 0:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:21 The original, the OG. Without him, we would not be here. Adam Curry, ladies and gentlemen.

Adam Curry 0:27 Joe Rogan, I l- I have much man love for you, my brother.

Joe Rogan 0:29 I have much man love for you, buddy.

Adam Curry 0:31 I have much man love for you.

Joe Rogan 0:32 If it wasn't for you, this business would not exist.

Adam Curry 0:35 Well ...

Joe Rogan 0:35 You are the, you're the fucking patient zero, my brother.

Adam Curry 0:37 ... I appreciate you saying that.

Joe Rogan 0:39 It's true.

Adam Curry 0:39 Without you ...

Joe Rogan 0:40 Everybody needs to know it.

Adam Curry 0:41 Without you, holy shit, I wouldn't have been recertified.

Joe Rogan 0:44 (laughs)

Adam Curry 0:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:45 Someone needed to know. You know, it's like you gotta-

Adam Curry 0:48 Fucking, highly appreciated, man.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Go through the archives. Without you. This is, you are the one.

Adam Curry 0:52 How, how's Texas treating you? It's been what, now, is it two years?

Joe Rogan 0:54 Fan-fucking-tastic.

Adam Curry 0:55 Two years you've been here, about?

Joe Rogan 0:55 No, no, no, it's-

Adam Curry 0:56 Year and a half?

Joe Rogan 0:57 A year and a half.

Adam Curry 0:58 Year and a half, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Yeah, year and a half.

Adam Curry 0:58 You like it?

Joe Rogan 0:59 Fucking love it.

Adam Curry 1:00 Good.

Joe Rogan 1:00 Love it.

Adam Curry 1:00 Your kids? That, that-

Joe Rogan 1:01 Everybody loves it.

Adam Curry 1:02 Yeah? Good. Good.

Joe Rogan 1:03 Love the people here. I love everything. I love the fact that it gets cold. It's cold out today. I love the-

Adam Curry 1:07 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:08 ... changing of the weather. I love the fucking animals everyone has.

Adam Curry 1:11 You, you have actual seasons. People don't know that.

Joe Rogan 1:13 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:13 We've got seasons here, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Oh, Texas gets cold as fuck.

Adam Curry 1:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15 It was in the 20s last night.

Adam Curry 1:17 Uh, when I left hill country this morning? 18.

Joe Rogan 1:19 Yeah, it's, woo, really? 18.

Adam Curry 1:20 Yeah, with, with some wind factor.

Joe Rogan 1:22 Woo.

Adam Curry 1:22 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Wow. When it snowed-

Adam Curry 1:24 I was cursing that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:25 ... out here last year, I was like, "Okay."

Adam Curry 1:27 Now, you didn't lose power, right?

Joe Rogan 1:28 No, we got lucky. We got lucky we didn't lose power.

Adam Curry 1:29 No, you're on the rich side. I was on the east side. They turned that shit off-

Joe Rogan 1:31 Oh, no, my rich friends-

Adam Curry 1:32 ... right away.

Joe Rogan 1:33 ... lost their fucking power. But my friend's way richer than me, he lost his power.

Adam Curry 1:35 (laughs) Oh, really? What, where was he?

Joe Rogan 1:37 He's on, uh, in, uh, Westlake, I guess? Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:40 Oh, yeah. Oh, okay, Westlake. But I'm, um, we were southeast before. Man, that shit, where the-

Joe Rogan 1:45 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:45 ... where the Section 8 apartments are?

Joe Rogan 1:47 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:47 That shit got turned off right away. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:48 Yeah, we got a generator now because of that.

Adam Curry 1:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:50 It was a little sketchy.

Adam Curry 1:51 We, yeah, ours is getting installed next week.

Joe Rogan 1:53 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:53 A whole house generator.

Joe Rogan 1:54 I just, you know, it's, it's nice to have food too. You know, I always have food stockpiled 'cause I'm a hunter, you know, so it's ...

Adam Curry 2:00 (sighs) I gotta tell, I gotta tell you, man. Food intelligence is, is, has got to be the buzzword for the next couple of years.

Joe Rogan 2:06 Food intelligence is a good buzzword.

Adam Curry 2:08 Because people ... Well, first of all, just look at us, you know, post-COVID or Omicron now, whatever.

Joe Rogan 2:14 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 2:15 We're pretty sick people. Americans are pretty unhealthy.

Joe Rogan 2:18 Yeah, overall.

Adam Curry 2:18 In general.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Yeah, for sure. It's a, it's a real problem.

Adam Curry 2:21 And it's-

Joe Rogan 2:22 And we've, we let it slide.

Adam Curry 2:23 We don't know what we're eating anymore. We just don't. And you know, (sighs) there's a lot of things happening with food that the, and you'll appreciate this, the meat processors, they have no intention of really continuing actual beef and other real meat. They are all moving towards processing soy, et cetera, creating I Can't Believe It's Not Burger, the fake meat, the fake pork.

Joe Rogan 2:48 Really? All of them are doing that?

Adam Curry 2:49 All of them.

Joe Rogan 2:50 But isn't that stocked down in that Beyond Burger stuff or Beyond Meat stuff?

Adam Curry 2:56 You gotta, it's much ... So, those are just the brands, but go look at, really, the food processors. There's only a couple of them. Uh-

Joe Rogan 3:01 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 3:02 ... we have, um, JB's, I think. The biggest one is Cargill. I love talking about Cargill 'cause they're like a secretive family.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Oh.

Adam Curry 3:09 They're kind of like Succession.

Joe Rogan 3:10 Oh, that's a great-

Adam Curry 3:11 Or, or actually like-

Joe Rogan 3:12 ... fucking show, by the way.

Adam Curry 3:12 Or like the, or like the Sacklers. The same thing. You know, the-

Joe Rogan 3:15 Which one's the Sacklers?

Adam Curry 3:16 Purdue Pharma.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Okay.

Adam Curry 3:17 Who, you know-

Joe Rogan 3:18 Right, right, right, right, right.

Adam Curry 3:18 ... have, have helped kill 100,000 people.

Joe Rogan 3:20 At least.

Adam Curry 3:21 This year. This year.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Yeah, this year. Right?

Adam Curry 3:22 By the way, isn't it interesting that ... Did you ... Uh, on Hulu, there's a fantastic, uh, series.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Dopesick?

Adam Curry 3:29 Dopesick.

Joe Rogan 3:29 I've heard about it. I have not watched it yet. I've heard it's amazing.

Adam Curry 3:30 What's great about it, Michael Keaton produced it, so kudos to him.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Oh.

Adam Curry 3:34 What's great about it is it shows how corrupt the FDA is, how all the systems work, how evil this family was. Unfortunately, it feels a lot like, "Okay, we've dealt with it. The Sacklers are done." You know-

Joe Rogan 3:46 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 3:46 ... they paid five, $6 billion, no one's in jail. If you look at the actual fines, Johnson & Johnson, they paid $25 billion in fines.

Joe Rogan 3:56 They did?

Adam Curry 3:57 Because they were four times as worse. The Sacklers are just being pushed aside as, "Okay, those are the assholes, they did it." But meanwhile, 100,000 people ODed on, from opioids this past year.

Joe Rogan 4:07 I was under the impression, I guess I'm wrong, that the biggest, uh, one was Pfizer. Wasn't the biggest one, the biggest fine Pfizer for a while? For that, uh, antiinflammatory drug?

Adam Curry 4:19 Uh, that's different. But we're talking about opioids specifically.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Oh, so there's not, like, just pharmaceutical company fines? There's fines for specific drugs?

Adam Curry 4:26 No, this is, this is just, this is just opioids, yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 Okay, so they fine people for lying about pharmaceutical drugs and then fine peop- ... It's a different thing to, like, a different categorization? 'Cause they were saying that that was the biggest fine for, like, medical stuff.

Adam Curry 4:40 What are we looking at?

Joe Rogan 4:41 Five billion landmark.

Adam Curry 4:42 There you go.

Joe Rogan 4:43 26 billion opioid settlement.

Adam Curry 4:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:46 Whoa. So, but it sounds like more people were involved then? If Johnson & Johnson's paying five billion, who's the other ... The, what's the, where's the rest of the $11 million coming from?

Adam Curry 4:55 Well, I don't know-

Joe Rogan 4:56 Or, or-

Adam Curry 4:56 I don't know what this article is, but ...

Joe Rogan 4:57 $21 million coming from.

Adam Curry 4:58 But, uh, I believe Johnson & Johnson paid much more. So, so there's two, there's two parts to it. One is the pharmaceutical companies that were developing it and then, um ...

Joe Rogan 5:08 Oh, it says, it says it right here.

Adam Curry 5:09 'Cause rem- ... Uh, remember, they said it was non-addictive.

Joe Rogan 5:12 Right, right, right.

Adam Curry 5:13 That, that was the problem.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Yeah.

Adam Curry 5:14 And so when you continue to push that and they were saying, "Oh, it's not working? Up the dose." All of that was a problem. But also Walmart, CVS, and Walgreens, they were all- ... They're now being fined for basically over, overselling.

Joe Rogan 5:30 Yeah.

Adam Curry 5:30 Just being pill mills. Just sell- ... It, it ... Legal drugs, Joe. Just legal heroin being distributed to unwilling people. Or un- unwitting people.

Joe Rogan 5:38 So, (clears throat) it's saying that, um, this was, this was the whole fine. So, it looks like Johnson & Johnson-

Adam Curry 5:44 (vocalizes)

Joe Rogan 5:44 ... paid five and then there was another 21-

Adam Curry 5:47 When, when's this article from, Jamie? Because-

Narrator 5:49 July. I'm not saying this is the whole thing either, but this is just from July.

Adam Curry 5:52 No. But I'm pretty sure Johnson & Johnson wound up paying-

Narrator 5:54 There could be more, yeah.

Adam Curry 5:55 ... $25 billion.

Narrator 5:56 When I looked it up.

Adam Curry 5:56 In total, in total.

Joe Rogan 5:57 Okay, but let's just read this just, just for the heck of it and then we'll figure it out. It just says, "Under the settlement proposal, the three largest US drug distributors-

Narrator 6:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:04 ... McKesson Corp,-... Cardinal Health and AmericasourceBergen. It's - that's all one word, for some strange reason. AmericasourceBergen, one word, Corp., are expected to pay a combined 21 billion, while drugmaker Johnson & Johnson-

Adam Curry 6:18 Hm.

Joe Rogan 6:18 ... which manufactures opioids, would pay five billion.

Adam Curry 6:21 Hm.

Joe Rogan 6:22 So that was the-

Adam Curry 6:22 Well, the Sacklers aren't even in here, so something is missing from this.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Hm.

Adam Curry 6:25 And, uh, and that's Purdue Pharma. They took the fall, for sure. They got the ser- they got the Hulu series, everything. They took the fall. And now, it's just like, it's over. No one's talking about it anymore, but the problem still exists.

Joe Rogan 6:38 It's - there's a, there's this term that everybody uses today, right? And it's, uh, influencer.

Adam Curry 6:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:44 You know, it's a term that they use for, like, social media people that sell sneakers.

Adam Curry 6:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:48 And, you know, people that are doing certain things.

Adam Curry 6:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 6:50 They become influencers.

Adam Curry 6:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 6:52 And, uh, but the biggest influencer is what is, what's in the news and what's accepted. Like, what we tolerate is the big influencer. And the people that get to control, like, what seems normal, like if your doctor's like, "Hey, Adam, you've got a bad back. Let's just accept it, and let's deal with the pain."

Adam Curry 7:12 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:12 And then, he's got you hooked on this stuff.

Adam Curry 7:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:15 And you can't get off, and you're literally sick.

Adam Curry 7:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:17 And your body's shaking.

Adam Curry 7:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Like, who's responsible for that? Is it the company that talked the doctor into doing that? Is it doctor for not looking into it enough-

Adam Curry 7:27 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 7:27 ... and just accepting that people are fine just going out and getting whacked out on, on pill-form heroin?

Adam Curry 7:34 I think you have to go back much further. You have to go back towards when, uh, modern medicine got funding. So this is when we had the homeopaths and then we had the allopaths. And the allopaths got all the money, mainly from, uh, the Rockefellers and a couple of other, the big, the big rich families of the day. Um, and that all kind of came to a head very quickly. There's a, there's a couple of great documentaries about the cure for cancer and how many entrepreneurial doctors, even, uh, one rancher in, in Texas had really figured it out. They, they, I think, uh, his clinic still operates in Mexico. People go there, and it's an ex- exactly the opposite, uh, treatment of what the, the allo- uh, the allopath medicine is, which is, you know, basically try and kill all the cells and hope you survive it, you know-

Joe Rogan 8:21 Hm.

Adam Curry 8:22 ... with, or, you know, with radiation or chemotherapy. So once we went down that route, it was very easy for the big families to say, "Okay, we're going to, uh, establish universities where we teach this," which is not necessarily the look at the whole person, what's the, what is the person eating, et cetera. It's like diagnose the problem, prescribe the medication.

Joe Rogan 8:43 Hm.

Adam Curry 8:44 So this is a problem that has been here, um, it's throughout the system. There's no education. It's, it's all, it's all just, that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 8:51 Don't you think, uh, the, no education is a big one? And don't you think it also is a function of doctors having these ridiculous student loan bills, and they get out of, of school and they're in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes?

Adam Curry 9:03 It's capture.

Joe Rogan 9:03 And then, they're in this system-

Adam Curry 9:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:06 ... where they're trying to get people in and out of their office as quick as possible.

Adam Curry 9:08 It's capture.

Joe Rogan 9:09 Yeah.

Adam Curry 9:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:09 A really good doctor should be sitting down with you and talking to you for a long time. You're, we're, we're, you're trying to figure out what's wrong with your body.

Adam Curry 9:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:17 The idea that he could s- do that in 15, 20 minutes and just write a thing. "So you're suicidal now because of that one?"

Adam Curry 9:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 9:22 "Okay, let's, psht, throw that one away. We're gonna give you this one, Adam. I think this might do the trick." And next thing you know, you're on this new thing, and-

Adam Curry 9:29 We're, we're, we're in a good, in a good place now, I think, in, in the United States. The rest of the world, I don't, I'm not so sure. But, um, we're, we're very entrepreneurial.

Joe Rogan 9:39 Yes.

Adam Curry 9:39 And, uh, I mean, the French had to make up a word for us, you know? It's like, (laughs) we're so entrepreneurial. And we're in a, I think, a big decentralization moment, where, um, people are leaving, uh, big tech platforms, and that's going off towards more decentralized smaller things that interconnect in some way. Um, travel is actually starting to unravel. You know, we're getting new technology, new, new aircraft will be much cheaper for smaller groups to, and more effective to fly in, but also medicine. We're seeing, uh, a lot of healthcare workers, nurses, doctors leaving the systems to, and off-the-shelf technology, doing their own tele- telemedicine, um, concierge healthcare, where they only take 500 patients from the community, charge them 150 b- 100 bucks a month, um, and, and as much time as you need or as often as you need, you know, and really they build up a profile. Like, like doctors should do.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yeah.

Adam Curry 10:35 Functional medicine is a part of this, so this is, this is happening across the- schooling. Parents are taking their kids out of school. They're creating their own school. They're doing homeschooling. Um, that's been going on for a while with charter schools. But I think we'll see even more smaller community schooling. Everything is decentralizing. We're moving away, the smart people, I think, we're moving away from every, the big box stores, you know? It's like, people are getting s- l- people are literally getting sick-

Joe Rogan 11:01 Yeah.

Adam Curry 11:01 ... from the shit in there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:03 Literally. Yeah.

Adam Curry 11:03 Literally (laughs) getting sick from the shit that's being sold there. So people are, are going back. And I think that, you know, coming back to food, food intelligence, uh, China right now is hoarding grain. They, they supply 60% of the world's grain. They've been hoarding it for a while, actually, maybe a year and a half, two years. So we're gonna have a shortage, uh, a global shortage. The, the meat processors, they're not interested in really using livestock anymore. It's just a lot more profitable, and we're training people, you know, oh, now it's an amazing thing. And you know, um, uh, is it Burger King or, um, someone just came out with, you know, new soy mcnugget, nuggets. Um, you know, we're, we're being kind of pushed into this. And all we know is we put it in our face, it has the same texture, it tastes the right way. And, um, and the, the profits are much better. So we're, that's where people are starting to reach out and say, "Well, you know, why don't I go f- go meet a rancher one day and, you know, and, uh, and a local processor?" It's not USDA. They can't get that. But in Texas, you're allowed to sell, you know, your meat directly, uh, without USDA stamp, one of the few states. Um, vegetables, all this stuff, we're gonna have to figure it out 'cause we're gonna have shortages. I think we're gonna have some serious food shortages. It'll be weird. Like bread might not show up or...... something else will happen. But we're gonna have shortages.

Joe Rogan 12:28 Well, we have a bunch of problems, right? M- one of the big ones is large population centers aren't self-sustainable.

Adam Curry 12:35 Entirely not, no.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Yeah. They, they need food shipped into them.

Adam Curry 12:38 They need, uh, Whole Foods and H-E-B.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Which is really wei- it's really weird.

Adam Curry 12:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:41 If you think about the size of, like, a New York City, it's enormous, right?

Adam Curry 12:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:44 There's so many people. There's a building ... It's a perfect place because the buildings are stacked on top of each other and everything is like ... Like, when you're there you're like, "Wah! There's so much fucking-"

Adam Curry 12:52 (laughs) Pretty much. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 "So much fucking energy in this place."

Adam Curry 12:54 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:55 But, like, nothing's ... I mean, very little is getting grown in terms of food.

Adam Curry 12:58 Mm-hmm. Nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Just m- very little.

Adam Curry 13:00 Nothing. Nothing.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Definitely not enough to sustain it.

Adam Curry 13:02 No.

Joe Rogan 13:02 So you gotta keep shipping things in. So you gotta keep the roads good, 'cause you're always just bringing things in on boats and bringing things in on trucks. Everything has to come in. I mean, uh, when you ... The, the, one of the cool things about, like, watching a video about a really good restaurant is seeing them going to meet the fish as the fish are coming in off the boats.

Adam Curry 13:19 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:19 And, like, everything has to get there.

Adam Curry 13:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Someone's gotta deliver something. They gotta go to a farmer's market and get these big crates from someone way the fuck away who grew the food and brought 'em in.

Adam Curry 13:25 Well, we used to have a fish market, uh, you know, which became very popular to live, uh, you know, in, uh, in New York. It literally was the, the fish market, and the shit came in and the guys were slicing shit up-

Joe Rogan 13:36 Yep.

Adam Curry 13:36 ... and moving it out in the middle of the night.

Joe Rogan 13:38 Yep.

Adam Curry 13:38 It was a dangerous place to be. Lots of hookers in that neighborhood.

Joe Rogan 13:41 Yeah.

Adam Curry 13:41 It was cool as shit. And now it's like, you know, $3 million, uh, one, uh, one-bedroom apartments there.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Those are hard men that filet fish all day.

Adam Curry 13:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Those are hard fucking men.

Adam Curry 13:52 (laughs) It- it- it is, yeah. It's very hardcore. Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:53 That is a hard job. That's a real fucking job. You think-

Adam Curry 13:56 And you're seeing that too, you know, kids are looking around and their parents are saying, "You know, maybe not go to college. Maybe go to vocational school. Learn s- learn, learn a trade. There's plenty of ... Be entrepreneurial."

Joe Rogan 14:07 Yeah.

Adam Curry 14:08 Seeing a lot of that.

Joe Rogan 14:08 So you're a, you're an optimist.

Adam Curry 14:11 Always.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Always. That's good. Because there's a lot of people that share your perspective that there's some serious fucking things that are wrong and I, I wanted to talk to them about ... Like, the grain thing, first of all.

Adam Curry 14:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:20 I did not ... I've never heard the China grain thing. What's that about?

Adam Curry 14:22 I only learned it recently myself. Yeah. It's, uh-

Joe Rogan 14:25 What is it? It says according to data from the US Department of Agriculture, China's expected to have 69% of the globe's maize reserves. I like how they use the Native American term.

Adam Curry 14:34 Maize. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:36 It's so-

Adam Curry 14:36 It's like cinema. It's maize. It's not corn.

Joe Rogan 14:39 It's so open-minded.

Adam Curry 14:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:41 Uh, in the first half of crop year 2022, 60% of it's rice-

Adam Curry 14:46 There you go.

Joe Rogan 14:47 ... and 51% of it's wheat.

Adam Curry 14:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:49 Here's my thing. You can keep all that shit 'cause it's not good for you anyway. How about that?

Adam Curry 14:54 Well, this is another thing.

Joe Rogan 14:55 (laughs)

Adam Curry 14:56 Can we stop with the rapeseed oil and canola oil already?

Joe Rogan 14:59 That shit's not good for you, right?

Adam Curry 15:00 That is industrial sludge, brother. And everyone's cooking with it. It's in everything.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah.

Adam Curry 15:05 The market ... 'Cause it's rapeseed oil, but now we call it canola oil. The marketing has been fantastic.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Mm-hmm. Rapeseed is a rough word to sell.

Adam Curry 15:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:11 To health-conscious folk.

Adam Curry 15:13 But is there-

Joe Rogan 15:13 Have you had any rapeseed?

Adam Curry 15:14 (laughs) Well, the ... I feel like it when I've had it, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:17 (laughs) It's, um ... There's a, a well-known fact that, um, there's too much, uh, grain in a lot of people's diets.

Adam Curry 15:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:28 In terms of, like, people that eat bread all day and pasta and, like ... Come on. Like, that's not something you should have all day like that. It's delicious-

Adam Curry 15:34 Do you, do you use animal fat for cooking?

Joe Rogan 15:36 Yes.

Adam Curry 15:36 What do you use for cooking? Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:37 I use beef tallow.

Adam Curry 15:38 Okay. 'Cause most-

Joe Rogan 15:39 Yeah.

Adam Curry 15:39 You know, there was a, I think a PSYOP basically on the American people. Like, "Oh, that's gonna kill you. You can't have, uh, you can't use, uh, uh, protein, uh, uh, beef protein for your fat, for cooking."

Joe Rogan 15:52 Why?

Adam Curry 15:52 Because they wanted ... You just have to accept-

Joe Rogan 15:55 What, what was the, uh, argument?

Adam Curry 15:55 People are ass money. Money.

Joe Rogan 15:56 I use avocado oil too sometimes.

Adam Curry 15:59 Money.

Joe Rogan 15:59 It's got a s- high smoke point.

Adam Curry 15:59 The answer is mon- it's always money. Because it's-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Yeah.

Adam Curry 16:02 I mean, look at ... It's great stuff. Rapeseed oil ... And, and more and more farmers are being incentivized in the United States to grow the last harvest because-

Joe Rogan 16:11 What is, what exactly does those processed seed oils do that's bad to you?

Adam Curry 16:16 I, this I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:16 Because there's a lot of people that are, like, hardcore on it, like Paul Saladino's very hardcore on it. Rob Wolf's very hardcore on it, I believe. I hope I'm not misrepresenting his position.

Adam Curry 16:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:26 But I think a lot of those guys think you should avoid those kind of fats. Like, those kind of, the, those processed seed oils.

Adam Curry 16:33 Well, here's what I know. Uh, the process is number one.

Joe Rogan 16:36 Right.

Adam Curry 16:36 I've learned this from my buddy, Texas Slim. And he-

Joe Rogan 16:39 That's a great name.

Adam Curry 16:40 He ... Yes. Well, and he kinda came out of semi-retirement. He's a little bit young ... He's about our age, a little younger. Um, to start the Beef Initiative. And so he's setting it up so people are getting connected with, you know, just basically with, directly with farmers and food and, you know, using Bitcoin as kind of the common network. But more importantly, he's writing and educating people, um, uh, about food. And one of the most compelling arguments for me, he said, "Look at pictures of my ..." 'Cause he's a twelfth generation Texan or something. He said, "Look at pictures of my great-great-grandparents. How do they look?" He said, "Uh, you know, they, they got some shitty-ass clothes on, but they look pretty good." "Yeah." "Now, now go to Houston. How do people look now? So what's the difference?" Every ... People used to live off of beef in Texas. Um, you know, it's not a great place to, to grow, you know, seeds. But we have the original seeds, the ones that aren't, you know, genetically modified. The, the, the beat- you know, the, the cattle manure that fertilize the ground not using artificial stuff. You know, in, you know, whatever you need to, to hyper-grow stuff. And we looked much better. And now I go to Houston, everyone's obese. So, you know, it's gotta be at the intake. It's gotta be at the input. It's not just-

Joe Rogan 17:54 It's also a lifestyle too, well I think-

Adam Curry 17:56 ... the sedentary- Maybe. Maybe.

Joe Rogan 17:56 There's a lot of people around here in particular are very active. A lot of people exercise, a lot of young people.

Adam Curry 18:00 But people aren't that healthy-looking. Even in Austin, it's not all that great.

Joe Rogan 18:04 No?

Adam Curry 18:04 No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 18:07 There's certain places that everybody looks pretty fit. Like Boulder, Colorado's one of them. You walk around, like, everybody looks like they hikes.

Adam Curry 18:13 (laughs) Well, they do.

Joe Rogan 18:14 They hike.

Adam Curry 18:15 (laughs) They do.

Joe Rogan 18:15 They hike. They actually do.

Adam Curry 18:16 They mountain bike, they hike.

Joe Rogan 18:17 They seem, like-

Adam Curry 18:18 Yeah, they actually do. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:18 ... like, like a active family that has-

Adam Curry 18:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:20 ... one of them things on the roof. You know those things on the roof where people-

Adam Curry 18:22 If you got one of those, you're active. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:23 You know they store their shit-

Adam Curry 18:25 And it's-

Joe Rogan 18:25 ... in that little-

Adam Curry 18:26 It's all, like, aerodynamic and stuff.

Joe Rogan 18:28 ... strap down. Yes.

Adam Curry 18:28 Yeah, like the fshoo, swoop.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Yeah. Like, just in case they wanna bust out the tent.

Adam Curry 18:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:32 It's out there.

Adam Curry 18:32 It's up there, just-

Joe Rogan 18:33 Yeah.

Adam Curry 18:33 Yeah. If we get trapped in the woods.

Joe Rogan 18:34 That's Boulder, man. That's Boul- ... That's a big thing with Boulder.

Adam Curry 18:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:37 Like, everybody looks pretty fit. Not everybody, obviously.

Adam Curry 18:39 Buddy of mine is-

Joe Rogan 18:40 More.

Adam Curry 18:41 ... EMT, uh, in Boulder. And, uh, you know, they were ... Where they live in Erie is right near where that, uh, the fire happened.... the recent fire.

Joe Rogan 18:49 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 18:49 Uh, you know-

Joe Rogan 18:50 Yeah.

Adam Curry 18:50 ... that was massive.

Joe Rogan 18:51 Huge fire.

Adam Curry 18:52 And so he went off to work. He was off, you know, saving shit, and then his wife was packing up the car because he figured they might have to go. And of course, they're in Boulder, so she packs everything and throws the skis in, just in case.

Joe Rogan 19:03 Just in case.

Adam Curry 19:04 (laughs) Just in case.

Joe Rogan 19:04 Might want to go skiing-

Adam Curry 19:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:05 ... when you're running from a fire.

Adam Curry 19:08 Dude, "Hold on, hold on. Gotta get the skis in. You got your boots?" Yeah. It's fantastic.

Joe Rogan 19:12 Yeah.

Adam Curry 19:12 I love that.

Joe Rogan 19:12 Super active folk.

Adam Curry 19:13 I love that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:14 So people in Europe are... They walk around more, right? Isn't that the idea of like, why Europeans are a little healthier? They walk around more than us. And then, there's also the original wheat, which has not been up- apparently, this is from Maynard. I'm not, I'm not sure if this is accurate, but Maynard, uh, Keenan from Tool. You know, he-

Adam Curry 19:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:30 ... actually runs a f-... He has restaurants and he also has his own vineyard.

Adam Curry 19:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:35 And he knows a lot about growing things. And, and his osterias serve pasta. And he was telling me that what the difference is, is the original wheat was like a lower yield, was a smaller plant. And so they eventually manipulated it until it's what we have today, which is like... has much more, what he said, complex glutens in it. That's where our bodies have harder times digesting them.

Adam Curry 19:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:55 And then on top of the fact that corn syrup is so prevalent.

Adam Curry 19:58 Oh, that's a real problem.

Joe Rogan 19:59 And sugar is so prevalent.

Adam Curry 20:00 Yeah. That's a problem.

Joe Rogan 20:01 We're putting processed sugar and corn syrup and all that stuff-

Adam Curry 20:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:04 ... into everything. And, and people are drinking sugary sodas all day. They taste delicious.

Adam Curry 20:08 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:09 But the amount of calories in those things is fucking crazy.

Adam Curry 20:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:11 And it's crazy calories where your body doesn't understand it. Like, where are you getting all this sugar?

Adam Curry 20:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:16 It's like, all of a sudden, something comes in-

Adam Curry 20:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:18 ... in a rush, in a drink.

Adam Curry 20:18 And then, "Give me more, give me more, give me more."

Joe Rogan 20:20 Like, someone's explaining this to me-

Adam Curry 20:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:22 ... that sugar in a drink form is so wild because it's not like anything you would ever experience in nature. And they were thinking about like... They were saying, think about it, like, if you ate like a bunch of fruit, like all that sugar that's in that fruit, it's gonna take a while-

Adam Curry 20:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:36 ... to chew it.

Adam Curry 20:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:37 It's attached to fiber.

Adam Curry 20:39 Now, you're mainlining the sugar right down your system.

Joe Rogan 20:41 Yeah. You're throwing it down and it's a stupid-

Adam Curry 20:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:43 ... amount. Like, what is the amount? Let's guess. Let's take a guess. What is the amount of sugar that's in a 7-Eleven Big Gulp?

Adam Curry 20:50 In a Big Gulp?

Joe Rogan 20:51 A Big Gulp.

Adam Curry 20:52 50 grams.

Joe Rogan 20:53 Yeah, I'm gonna say 65.

Adam Curry 20:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:55 65 grams. Let's say.

Adam Curry 20:57 Now, now... Now, of course, the problem is, and the reason why it's in grams, no one in America can fucking understand how much that is.

Joe Rogan 21:03 (laughs)

Adam Curry 21:03 How many ounces? I mean is that-

Joe Rogan 21:05 Exactly.

Adam Curry 21:05 How many tablespoons is that, Joe?

Joe Rogan 21:07 Why are you giving me metrics, bro?

Adam Curry 21:08 Jamie, Jamie, what is it?

Joe Rogan 21:10 I don't even understand.

Adam Curry 21:10 How many is... 65 grams.

Narrator 21:12 91.

Adam Curry 21:13 91 ounces?

Narrator 21:14 Grams.

Joe Rogan 21:14 Oh, my God.

Adam Curry 21:15 91 grams. And how m- how many ounce... In am- in American weight.

Joe Rogan 21:19 91?

Adam Curry 21:20 (laughs)

Narrator 21:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:21 Oh, my God.

Adam Curry 21:22 Give me the mega mass of that shit.

Narrator 21:23 Uh...

Adam Curry 21:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:24 Oh, my God, dude. That's so much.

Adam Curry 21:25 91? How could we be so off?

Joe Rogan 21:27 That is so much.

Adam Curry 21:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:30 You're not supposed to have-

Adam Curry 21:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:31 ... that much in a week. (laughs)

Narrator 21:32 A Big Gulp is 32 ounces.

Adam Curry 21:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 What are you supposed to... What is like a-

Narrator 21:36 I love this. This is nuts.

Joe Rogan 21:36 ... reasonable... Obviously, it changes dependent upon your, your body's-

Adam Curry 21:39 I've pa- I have almost no sugar.

Joe Rogan 21:41 But I mean, just... You get some in fruits and some in milk and some in some different things.

Adam Curry 21:46 I'm trying, but gain weight is really hard for me. I have to drink protein shakes and shit as well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Are you... You're an ectomorph? Is... If that's real. You know what that means? There's, uh-

Adam Curry 21:55 Sounds like... Sounds like something from outer space, so I kind of like it.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Mesomorphs. There's mesomorphs-

Adam Curry 21:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:58 ... endomorphs and ectomorphs.

Adam Curry 22:00 Okay, what does an ectomorph mean?

Joe Rogan 22:01 An ectomorph is a, a long, thinner person that att- usually has, uh, a harder time putting weight on.

Adam Curry 22:08 Oh, that's me. That's me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:09 Okay. I don't know if this has been... I better be real clear about this.

Adam Curry 22:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:11 I remember reading this, but I don't know if this has been-

Adam Curry 22:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:14 ... disproven.

Adam Curry 22:14 All right.

Joe Rogan 22:15 And like, uh, a mesomorph is, uh, some- like a Evander Holyfield. Like someone with like perfect proportions.

Adam Curry 22:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Like a narrow waist, big shoulders. Like Evander Holyfield is a mesomorph. And I'm more like more endomorph. I'm like wide and short.

Adam Curry 22:31 Whoa. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:31 Here we go. Endomorph. See? I'm more like endomorph.

Adam Curry 22:34 Okay. Where... Can you show me where on the body you were touched, Joe? Could you-

Joe Rogan 22:38 Uh...

Adam Curry 22:38 Could you point to the spot? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:39 You look better than the guy on the far left, but that's, that's you're an ectomorph. You're long, tall.

Adam Curry 22:44 I'm the guy on the left.

Joe Rogan 22:45 Yes.

Adam Curry 22:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:46 It's not r- really you, though, dude.

Adam Curry 22:48 No, no.

Joe Rogan 22:48 You're much better looking.

Adam Curry 22:49 I...

Joe Rogan 22:50 You're, uh, you-

Adam Curry 22:50 Yeah, I look more like that. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:51 You're beautifully proportioned.

Adam Curry 22:52 With... Well, no. I, I need to gain weight.

Joe Rogan 22:53 Yeah, the guy up there in the middle one.

Adam Curry 22:55 I need... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:55 No, no, the o-... Yeah, that one. That one.

Adam Curry 22:56 That's...

Joe Rogan 22:56 You're more like that.

Adam Curry 22:57 No, I'm not that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:58 More like that. Tall, tall and long.

Adam Curry 23:01 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 23:01 But listen, it's not... It's just, um... What was, what was my point about... Oh, you can't, you can't gain weight. But sugar is not... You don't want to do it that way anyway. If you want to gain weight, you got to hire a trainer.

Adam Curry 23:11 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Adam Curry 23:12 A, a food trainer?

Joe Rogan 23:13 No, a lifting trainer.

Adam Curry 23:14 Really?

Joe Rogan 23:14 Yeah. You want to gain weight? You want to get jacked?

Adam Curry 23:18 Not really.

Joe Rogan 23:19 You should.

Adam Curry 23:20 But, but I... I know I... I know I'll look better if I, if I weigh more.

Joe Rogan 23:22 Yeah. I don't think you should get jacked, honestly. I'm joking around.

Adam Curry 23:25 I also-

Joe Rogan 23:25 But I think you should-

Adam Curry 23:25 I also got a dog, so I'm walking two miles a day now.

Joe Rogan 23:27 Oh, that's nice.

Adam Curry 23:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Do it with a weight, weight vest on. Try that.

Adam Curry 23:31 A weight vest?

Joe Rogan 23:32 Yeah.

Adam Curry 23:32 Walking the dog?

Joe Rogan 23:33 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Adam Curry 23:33 Okay.

Narrator 23:34 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Walk your dog with like a... You start it-

Adam Curry 23:35 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 23:35 You just start light, like 10 pound, 10-pound weight vest.

Adam Curry 23:38 Is a bulletproof vest okay too?

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah, sure.

Adam Curry 23:39 I got one of those.

Joe Rogan 23:40 Those are heavy.

Adam Curry 23:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:41 Weigh it.

Adam Curry 23:41 It's more than 10 pounds.

Joe Rogan 23:43 Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry 23:43 Yeah. Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:44 The, the idea is, uh, you know, you're putting more load on your system.

Adam Curry 23:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 23:47 And so walking is really good for you, but walking with-

Adam Curry 23:49 That's what I-

Joe Rogan 23:50 ... a weight vest on is really good for you.

Adam Curry 23:51 There was a guy in New York, Jack the Wack. He was a DJ, uh, at Z100 when I was working there on weekend.

Joe Rogan 23:56 Jack the Wack.

Adam Curry 23:56 Jackin' the Wack, Jack the Wack, everybody. Come. W-A-C-Z Z100.

Joe Rogan 23:59 Remember that? They had radio personalities.

Adam Curry 24:02 Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Back when we had radio, and Jack was 350 pounds. And I was at the station for six months or so, and I came in. It's like 7:00 at night. I'm like, "Where the fuck is Jack? That's me." And he'd just gone, just completely deflated. I said, "How did you do that?" He says, "Walking." I said, "What do you mean?" "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 24:19 Wow.

Adam Curry 24:19 "Every single time I put the set of songs on, which runs about eight minutes, I just walk around the office building."

Joe Rogan 24:25 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 24:25 And then he'd come back, he'd do a break, walk around the office building. And he did that for six months and he lost, you know, 2- 250 pounds. A fucking crate, well, 200 pounds.

Joe Rogan 24:33 That's insane.

Adam Curry 24:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:34 Good for him.

Adam Curry 24:35 I believe, I believe-

Joe Rogan 24:36 I love that.

Adam Curry 24:37 ... in walking. I believe-

Joe Rogan 24:37 I fucking love that.

Adam Curry 24:38 ... in walking. Yeah.... I love that. I love when someone does something like that.

Joe Rogan 24:41 And I see in myself-

Adam Curry 24:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 ... I'm walking like, "Shit, I'm losing weight, I gotta eat more." I, I definitely need to eat more. I forget to eat.

Adam Curry 24:46 Yeah, but you don't need to eat more if you're losing weight from walking. It's, you're probably burning off stuff-

Joe Rogan 24:51 No.

Adam Curry 24:51 ... that you don't need. You're probably burning off fat.

Joe Rogan 24:53 I for- I forget to eat. I forget to eat.

Adam Curry 24:54 Do you really?

Joe Rogan 24:55 Sometimes. (laughs)

Adam Curry 24:55 How is that possible? I'm the opposite.

Joe Rogan 24:57 Weed.

Adam Curry 24:57 I wish I could give you- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:57 Weed helps me forget to eat, Joe.

Adam Curry 24:59 Ah, not for a lot of people, but it gives them the munchies.

Joe Rogan 25:01 I get, yeah, I get the munchie thing and then, like, "Ugh." Dude, I eat so much.

Adam Curry 25:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:06 I eat so much food. Sometimes I just, I am such a glutton. I'm, sometimes I just keep eating. I just stuff my face.

Adam Curry 25:13 I can't, see, I can't imagine that.

Joe Rogan 25:14 Oh, my God.

Adam Curry 25:14 I can't, I can't imagine that. That just make, I give up, I, I just stop. I go, "I can't, I can't."

Joe Rogan 25:18 Oh, my God. I love food.

Adam Curry 25:20 I love food too, but-

Joe Rogan 25:21 I can't stuff enough of it into my fat fucking face. (laughs)

Adam Curry 25:23 This is an interesting admission.

Joe Rogan 25:25 (laughs) No, it's fucking-

Adam Curry 25:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:26 ... I've talked about it many, many, many times on the podcast.

Adam Curry 25:29 Hm.

Joe Rogan 25:29 It's when I start eating, I consume enormous amounts of food. Like, I almost feel like I'm starving. Like, sometimes when I go to eat, I'm, I feel so hungry that I just want, I wanna order three or four meals and eat them all. And I've eaten two meals before, many times.

Adam Curry 25:45 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:45 Especially after shows. If I work, like if I lift weights that day and then we do two shows and then we go to dinner, I'm ordering two steaks. I eat so much food.

Adam Curry 25:54 Wow.

Joe Rogan 25:54 I just can't stop eating. (laughs)

Adam Curry 25:55 We have... You and I have a very different relationship with food. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:59 My, my number one problem is pasta, man. If I, I start eating pasta, I get bloated-

Adam Curry 26:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:04 ... and my stomach sticks out, and I grow love handles. Like, if I get on a steady pasta diet of, like, uh, four or five weeks in a row where I'm just-

Adam Curry 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:13 ... fucking up, I will-

Adam Curry 26:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:15 It, it goes straight Italian on me. It's all those, those dago genes of mine.

Adam Curry 26:19 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 26:20 They fuck, it'll go right to you. It's always, like, the, the gut and the love handles first. It's like, "Oh, boy." And it's also just feeling like shit. I just never feel good when I eat a lot of pasta.

Adam Curry 26:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:32 I always feel good when I'm eating, like, lean meat, some, you know, with some fat, some healthy fat, like, grass-fed fat. Like, grass-fed, um-

Adam Curry 26:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:40 Ribeyes are probably the best example of that.

Adam Curry 26:41 Ah, I love those.

Joe Rogan 26:42 They're so good.

Adam Curry 26:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:43 So good for you, 'cause it's got such a different texture than the grain-fed too. There's more chew to it, but it's still, there's a, there's a taste. You're eating a healthier animal. It just tastes like an animal is supposed to taste.

Adam Curry 26:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:57 You know, I love a gr- like, a corn-fed steak too. They, they still taste great. But they're, they're not-

Adam Curry 27:03 No.

Joe Rogan 27:03 ... the same.

Adam Curry 27:03 It's not the same.

Joe Rogan 27:03 It's not the same.

Adam Curry 27:04 No. No, at all. No. No.

Joe Rogan 27:06 Tha- that grass-fed is a healthier animal. It's the way the animal is supposed to live.

Adam Curry 27:09 And you have to be careful, you know, I learned from Texas League, you gotta be careful with just, like, there'll be words on it like grass-fed and it could-

Joe Rogan 27:15 Right.

Adam Curry 27:15 ... literally be, you know, like three blades of grass in a pen, you know. There's all kinds of technicalities on labeling that is such bullshit.

Joe Rogan 27:22 Well, what's bullshit is when they, you know, they don't tell you that they finish them with grain. That's, some-

Adam Curry 27:27 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:27 Some places do that.

Adam Curry 27:28 Yeah, they do that too. Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 27:29 They feed them grass until-

Adam Curry 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:30 ... like a couple of months before they're gonna whack them-

Adam Curry 27:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:32 ... and then they just give them corn and fatten them up.

Adam Curry 27:34 And th- and they're really going so far with the technology of this shit, you know, where they're, they're putting sensors on the cattle and, you know, and monitoring direct input of grain into their system-

Joe Rogan 27:44 Mm.

Adam Curry 27:44 ... based up, but it's also based upon supply and demand. Um, where we're going, I truly think, is that, you know, people are so obsessed with their, with their watches, their smartwatches, their caloric intake, their heart rate, all of these things, all of these sensor type, it, and we're also happy to give it up. We give up a lot of information, just your phone itself tells a lot about how you walk. Your gait can be determined from your phone. All kinds of stuff, data about us. Um, it's very possible that in a future, uh, which could, you know, could be closer than you think, food is produced at the, at the processors, which literally will be making processed food that'll be tailored to you just to kinda keep you functional enough (laughs) and keep you going-

Joe Rogan 28:29 Yeah.

Adam Curry 28:30 ... with the nutrients that you need and kind of keep you in a, uh, uh, in a Matrix-like world. Just kind of a state of, "Mm-hmm, I'm just existing. I'm just kind of doing my thing, whatever I'm told to do."

Joe Rogan 28:40 Yeah.

Adam Curry 28:40 I thi- I think that would be, you know, I think there's, there's some, some actual thought about that.

Joe Rogan 28:45 No, I think so too.

Adam Curry 28:46 It's sa- it's sad-

Joe Rogan 28:47 (laughs)

Adam Curry 28:47 ... but w- that's all our fault, because we can decide just to not do it.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Well-

Adam Curry 28:53 Opt out.

Joe Rogan 28:53 ... uh, b- uh, you know, whenever we say it's our fault, like, what is that? You know, that's silly TV for- You, it's Adam Curry, Joe Rogan. If we don't convert the world, it's our fault. Dude. (laughs) Look, we fucked up, we let all the idiots get on the school boards and in city councils. I wasn't paying attention.

Adam Curry 29:08 A lot of people weren't paying attention.

Joe Rogan 29:10 No.

Adam Curry 29:10 And I think-

Joe Rogan 29:10 I, I feel bad about that.

Adam Curry 29:11 They get scared now when you see all these TikToks-

Joe Rogan 29:14 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 29:14 ... and these crazy people-

Joe Rogan 29:15 (laughs)

Adam Curry 29:15 ... that are teachers. You're like, "Oh, my God."

Joe Rogan 29:16 But crazy people, they're just parents, Joe.

Adam Curry 29:19 Well, some of them are.

Joe Rogan 29:20 I think a lot of them are.

Adam Curry 29:21 Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 29:21 A lot of them are.

Adam Curry 29:22 Uh, we're talking about different things.

Joe Rogan 29:23 Oh.

Adam Curry 29:23 The TikTok thing is a different thing.

Joe Rogan 29:24 Oh, I don't know about the-

Adam Curry 29:25 It's actual-

Joe Rogan 29:26 Oh, I don't know about the-

Adam Curry 29:26 It's actual teachers.

Joe Rogan 29:26 ... TikTok. I don't, oh.

Adam Curry 29:27 It's insane teachers telling the class-

Joe Rogan 29:30 Oh, them, "I'm coming out as lesbian."

Adam Curry 29:31 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:31 And all that stuff, yeah.

Adam Curry 29:32 It's always like-

Joe Rogan 29:33 Yeah.

Adam Curry 29:33 ... "Y- these children need to respect my, my non-binary status."

Joe Rogan 29:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that shit. Yeah, I've seen that.

Adam Curry 29:37 "If I, and if, if I get misgendered, what I, the way I correct them," and they're like, "You divi-" usually, like, a lot of them, like, Libs of TikTok has a whole series of them.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 29:44 Some of them are just insane people that are now teaching your kids. And not saying it's insane to be non-binary, I'm saying it's insane to have this level of narcissism where you're declaring to the internet how you deal with a seven-year-old-

Joe Rogan 29:55 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 29:55 ... that's misgendering you. Like, this is-

Joe Rogan 29:58 W- well, look at what the mechanisms are.

Adam Curry 30:00 If they don't say "they/them", the seven-year-old has to learn "they/them"?

Joe Rogan 30:02 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 30:02 Is that real?

Joe Rogan 30:03 Yeah. No, look at the mechanisms. It's wh- what's controlling this? It's the TikTok. It's the algorithm.

Adam Curry 30:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:08 It's the, it's the f- it's the phone we put in our, we put in our kids' hands.

Adam Curry 30:12 Did you, are you aware of, uh, I was having a conversation with a couple of friends of mine about this the other day, the, uh, the Shanna Swan book. The Shanna, Dr. Shanna Swan, she's a, um-

Joe Rogan 30:22 Who's Bill?

Adam Curry 30:23 She's an environmental epidemiologist, I believe. Is that what, uh, her actual title is? She wrote this book that I always forget the name of it.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Countdown.

Adam Curry 30:32 Countdown. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 30:32 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 30:32 And it's all about chemicals-

Joe Rogan 30:34 Did you ha- did you have her on the show?

Adam Curry 30:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Yeah, I think so. I don't remember this.

Adam Curry 30:36 She's... Blew me away.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Uh-huh.

Adam Curry 30:38 Blew me away. It's all about chemicals-

Joe Rogan 30:40 Atri- atrazine?... yep, that's one of them-

Adam Curry 30:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:42 ... for sure. Um, phthalates. Phthalates are a big one.

Adam Curry 30:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:45 And what she was essentially saying was-

Adam Curry 30:48 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 30:48 ... what we're dealing with is, uh, a, like a biological crisis. What-

Adam Curry 30:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:53 ... like, from the introduction of petrochemicals into the, the human diet, these phthalates have caused some weird alterations of our reproductive systems. People are way less fertile. Women are, uh, more prone to having miscarriages, men have lower sperm count.

Adam Curry 31:11 (inhales deeply)

Joe Rogan 31:11 And men have-

Adam Curry 31:12 All demonstrably true.

Joe Rogan 31:13 Yes, and men have smaller taints. Now, this is where the conversation went, people started laughing (claps) at me. I'm like, "I know it sounds crazy." But this-

Adam Curry 31:19 Well, I'm, I'm, I thought it was doing pretty well until you brought it up like that.

Joe Rogan 31:22 (laughs) Taints.

Adam Curry 31:22 (laughs) And now it's hard not to.

Joe Rogan 31:23 She, she says taint.

Adam Curry 31:25 Fuckin' taints. All right.

Joe Rogan 31:25 She calls it taints, and she says look-

Adam Curry 31:27 With an S, plural, taints?

Joe Rogan 31:28 Yeah. Yeah, like, your, like, uh, a bunch of mens-

Adam Curry 31:30 I have a taint, and you, we have taints.

Joe Rogan 31:32 ... mens taints. Uh, you know, we, individual have a taint.

Adam Curry 31:34 Taint, no, taint, no big thing.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Two of us have... There's three taints in this room.

Adam Curry 31:36 We are-

Joe Rogan 31:37 I'm assuming-

Adam Curry 31:37 We're tainted up.

Joe Rogan 31:38 J- uh, (laughs) Jamie doesn't have one of them things birds have. What are those things called?

Adam Curry 31:42 Like a piercing down there?

Joe Rogan 31:43 Birds have, like, one hole-

Adam Curry 31:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:45 ... where everything comes out of it-

Adam Curry 31:46 Uh...

Joe Rogan 31:46 ... shit, piss. I mean-

Adam Curry 31:47 Uh, a clavicle?

Joe Rogan 31:48 Something.

Adam Curry 31:48 Clava- clavicle?

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah, something...

Adam Curry 31:50 Clavica. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:51 Yeah.

Adam Curry 31:51 Eh, clave. Cluck, cluck. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:53 (laughs) There's a, it's-

Adam Curry 31:53 Clavicle, clavicle.

Joe Rogan 31:54 It's close to that word.

Adam Curry 31:54 I think it's clavicle. Uh...

Joe Rogan 31:56 Co- coaequal? Is that it?

Adam Curry 31:57 Oh, maybe-

Joe Rogan 31:57 Oh, maybe that's... What is it? (sighs)

Narrator 31:58 Well, anogenital distance is the proper term for these.

Adam Curry 32:01 Oh, please.

Joe Rogan 32:01 Oh, for taint?

Narrator 32:02 For taint.

Adam Curry 32:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:03 (laughs)

Narrator 32:04 For taint measurement.

Joe Rogan 32:04 That sounds so much grosser.

Adam Curry 32:06 It's w- we say AGD-

Joe Rogan 32:07 Chemical.

Adam Curry 32:07 ... uh, Joe and, and-

Joe Rogan 32:09 So what-

Adam Curry 32:09 ... Nick's company, AGD-

Joe Rogan 32:10 ... what Dr. Shanna Swan said was that this is observable in mammals. That when they introduce phthalates into these mammals' bodies, the children, the offstrang- offspring of these animals that were contaminated with these plastics have these weird, uh, anomalies in the children, in that they start to have less sperm count.

Adam Curry 32:29 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:29 They start to have smaller taints. And she said that in-

Adam Curry 32:32 Is... What, what is the function of the taint?

Joe Rogan 32:34 Let me explain that.

Adam Curry 32:34 Okay.

Joe Rogan 32:35 She said that in mammals, the size of the taint is, uh, a great indicator of whether it's a male or a female. And that when they look at, like, a little puppy. Like, a puppy, you know, when you get him-

Adam Curry 32:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:44 ... it's hard to tell is it a boy or girl?

Adam Curry 32:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:46 You gotta look or-

Adam Curry 32:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:47 ... something like that. Well, when, uh, the taints of the males are between 50% and 100% larger than the taints of the females.

Adam Curry 32:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:55 So if you see an animal with a long taint, you go, "Oh, that's a boy." But because of the introduction of phthalates into the mother, the taints on the baby boys are smaller.

Adam Curry 33:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:04 And they're seeing the exact same thing with humans, they believe. And it's this is in a lot of plastics-

Adam Curry 33:09 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 33:09 ... that leach into our system.

Adam Curry 33:10 I want to, uh, uh, maybe next week, you and I can both compare taints.

Joe Rogan 33:17 (laughs)

Adam Curry 33:18 Not of ours- (laughs) ... but our wives. Let's just see if, if, I mean-

Joe Rogan 33:20 If they're smaller?

Adam Curry 33:21 ... if they're smaller.

Joe Rogan 33:21 We'll come back with more data.

Adam Curry 33:23 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:23 It's a science project, baby.

Adam Curry 33:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:25 Yeah.

Adam Curry 33:26 It's, it's for show.

Joe Rogan 33:26 It's just for science.

Adam Curry 33:27 It's just for the show. It's just for the... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:28 It's for science.

Adam Curry 33:29 Fucking omelet, baby. It's for the show is what I'm saying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:31 Yeah. Um, it's, i- i- it's apparently, um, like, a bad, in terms of, like, what the, uh, the op- the outlook is for the future-

Adam Curry 33:40 Well, we're de- we're depopulizing.

Joe Rogan 33:42 Yeah.

Adam Curry 33:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:43 It's, it's-

Adam Curry 33:43 We're depopulizing.

Joe Rogan 33:43 ... it's, I'm trying to say that without saying that.

Adam Curry 33:44 Well, no. Th- that's exactly what it sounds like. We're depopulizing.

Joe Rogan 33:46 Men whose AGD-

Adam Curry 33:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:48 ... that's the taint, is shorter than the median length, around two inches, 52 millimeters-

Adam Curry 33:53 Oh.

Joe Rogan 33:53 ... have seven times the chance of being subfertile-

Adam Curry 33:56 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 33:56 ... as those with a longer AGD, according to a study, study published on Friday in the Journal of Environmental Health Perspectives. The distance measured from the anus to the underside of the scrotum is linked to male ferturn- fertility, including semen volume and sperm count, the study found. The shorter the AGD, the more likely a man was to have low sperm count. And this sperm count is being lowered by plastics in the water.

Adam Curry 34:19 This is interesting. Um, so it's the measure from the distance from the anus to under the, the underside of the scrotum.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Yeah.

Adam Curry 34:26 Is there anything on this page that tells you if you measure your actual dick length from the scrotum or from the top or the side?

Joe Rogan 34:33 Hmm.

Adam Curry 34:33 (laughs) Just something I've always wondered.

Joe Rogan 34:36 Good question. Good question.

Adam Curry 34:37 (laughs) So...

Joe Rogan 34:37 Right? How do you get an accurate read? I mean, are guys measuring their dick by going around their balls and then adding all those extra inches? (laughs)

Adam Curry 34:42 Oh, yeah. It starts in the back of my neck here. Yeah, yes. (laughs) Of course.

Joe Rogan 34:45 (laughs)

Adam Curry 34:46 It's one of those things.

Joe Rogan 34:47 But what, what she said freaked me the fuck out. And it's-

Adam Curry 34:50 Yeah, that's... Well, we're depopulizing.

Joe Rogan 34:51 ... fairly, it's fairly new science-

Adam Curry 34:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:54 ... in terms of understanding the role of phthalates in the reproductive systems of mammals.

Adam Curry 34:58 (sighs) But see, I, I grew up in the Netherlands. And when I grew up in the Netherlands, it was a s- it's still a socialist country, but it was real... I mean, you, you got gray telephones. You couldn't touch the phone, you couldn't unplug it yourself. That was all illegal. You know, everything was socialized. The whole... Taxes were 90%.

Joe Rogan 35:12 You couldn't unplug it?

Adam Curry 35:13 No, that was illegal.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Really?

Adam Curry 35:14 And they would know.

Joe Rogan 35:16 Oh my God. Really?

Adam Curry 35:17 Yeah, like... Oh, yeah, it was weird.

Joe Rogan 35:18 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 35:18 Especially coming from the US, even as a seven or eight-year-old. Um, but the typical, uh, meal was very simple in the Netherlands at the time. Uh, in the morning, you may eat, um, it's all bread, butter, cheese, um, maybe bread, butter, some speck, which is kind of, um, uh, a salted smoked bacon. Um, you could have something sweet if you wanted. Nutella, maybe. But then, it was always meat, potatoes, vegetables. Meat, potatoes, vegetables, then a, you know... Or maybe with a piece of fish on, uh, on Friday. And that was it. And people were the tallest fuckers in the universe.

Joe Rogan 35:56 (laughs)

Adam Curry 35:56 They were healthy.

Joe Rogan 35:57 True.

Adam Curry 35:57 Skating all over the canals.

Joe Rogan 35:59 Yeah.

Adam Curry 35:59 Winning at Olympics and all the tall people shit. Just fucking ama- swimming, uh, speed skating, just badass-

Joe Rogan 36:06 And you think that has a lot to do with the diet?

Adam Curry 36:07 And now, uh, 'cause I've observed it. I've been back and forth. I've lived there, I've come back to the States. And people are so much unhealthier, so much. And of course, now they're getting processed food. They're getting that from the Albert Heijn, which is the, you know, the, from the supermarket. They're getting, you know, ready-made meals. It just... And because there's no incentive to educate people anyone from s- anymore.

Joe Rogan 36:27 Right.

Adam Curry 36:27 From the same people who are, who own the processing companies and who own, you know-

Joe Rogan 36:31 But there's people trying.

Adam Curry 36:31 ... or endow the universities. What?

Joe Rogan 36:33 There's people trying to educate people online.

Adam Curry 36:35 Of course, of course.

Joe Rogan 36:35 There's a lot of, like, odd-

Adam Curry 36:36 Of course. Well, people are looking for it. They're not...

Joe Rogan 36:38 Yeah.

Adam Curry 36:38 The human being, the human spirit is going, "This can't be right."

Joe Rogan 36:41 Right.

Adam Curry 36:41 For most people.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Yeah, I think so. I think you're right. I think for most people, they're like-... if most people, if you got to look at the, the whole food system-

Adam Curry 36:49 Hm.

Joe Rogan 36:49 ... and looked at what people are eating, what, what kind of results we're getting, we're, what was it? 40-something percent obese, something like that.

Adam Curry 36:55 I think it's more than that.

Joe Rogan 36:56 What was it, Jamie? Do you remember?

Adam Curry 36:58 This is like the Jamie fact check show. He-

Joe Rogan 37:00 He's always on it.

Adam Curry 37:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:01 Kid's on the ball.

Adam Curry 37:02 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 37:02 But when, uh, we looked at it last, it's, it's a s- a stunning number of obese people.

Adam Curry 37:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:07 And it, a lot of it has to do with the diet. A lot of it has to do with the diet.

Adam Curry 37:10 It's also noticeable if you travel from Europe coming back to the United States.

Joe Rogan 37:14 42.

Adam Curry 37:15 42.

Joe Rogan 37:15 42.4% in 2017 to 2018, that's probably-

Adam Curry 37:19 And what does ob-

Joe Rogan 37:19 Oh. Oh.

Adam Curry 37:19 What does obese mean?

Joe Rogan 37:21 Oh, look at this.

Adam Curry 37:21 What does it definitely mean?

Joe Rogan 37:22 During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7%-

Adam Curry 37:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:27 ... to 9.2%.

Adam Curry 37:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Wow.

Adam Curry 37:28 Yeah. Well, it's the CDC, so you gotta trust those numbers right away.

Joe Rogan 37:33 Yeah, fuck.

Adam Curry 37:33 Couldn't be much worse. (laughs) Who knows?

Joe Rogan 37:36 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 37:36 Who knows?

Joe Rogan 37:37 That's crazy.

Adam Curry 37:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:39 That was, uh, that's from... Put that back up. So that's, that is much more recent. That's from '99 to 2000. I didn't read the whole thing. It said, uh, from 2007, '99, uh, to, uh, 2000. And then from... Okay. So, it was-

Adam Curry 37:52 And, and how many people-

Joe Rogan 37:53 Here-

Adam Curry 37:53 ... got tipped over the edge during the pandemic and lockdowns?

Joe Rogan 37:57 I'm reading this wrong. It was '99 to 2000 through 2017 to 2018. I don't know why they're saying it that way. Anyway, it says, "Obesity prevalence increased from 30% to 42%, 30"-

Adam Curry 38:11 Damn.

Joe Rogan 38:11 ... "30.5 to 42.4."

Adam Curry 38:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:13 "During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%." That's what it is. So that's a big trend from 2000-

Adam Curry 38:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:24 ... on. I don't know why they put it that way. It was 42% from 2017 to 2018. Oh, and that's, uh, now I get it. I'm reading them separately. So, that's not good. 42%'s terrible. What, you know, there needs to be, you know, some sort of, of, of, uh, messages gets out to people that goes, just put the fucking sugar down. Put the sugar down. Like, have it every now and then-

Adam Curry 38:51 What's-

Joe Rogan 38:51 Every now and then on, like, a Sunday-

Adam Curry 38:52 You're doing it right now.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Have a little dessert.

Adam Curry 38:53 You are, I saw the Nielsen ratings. You are the number one show in the fucking universe.

Joe Rogan 38:59 That, I think that, that's propaganda. I think it's the government.

Adam Curry 39:02 It doesn't matter if it's propaganda.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Making that, making that up.

Adam Curry 39:03 Doesn't matter. It's, it's just what it is.

Joe Rogan 39:06 It's not real. Fake numbers.

Adam Curry 39:08 No. It's, and it's beautiful. It really is.

Joe Rogan 39:11 It's fake news.

Adam Curry 39:11 And what's so great is, you basically have an open mic.

Joe Rogan 39:16 Basically.

Adam Curry 39:17 You know, so people come here and all k- all kinds of messages are getting through.

Joe Rogan 39:21 That's a problem.

Adam Curry 39:22 So I'm... Yeah, it is.

Joe Rogan 39:23 (laughs)

Adam Curry 39:23 Of course, it is. And you get, you know, you get shit for it. But I was like, "Man, there's so many reasons to take Joe down. Why don't they take Joe down?" Well, of course, because i- as long as you can get the right people in...

Joe Rogan 39:33 But why, what kind of a world are we living in, where people would even think that it's a good idea to take people down for talking about stuff?

Adam Curry 39:40 I, I-

Joe Rogan 39:41 That, that is a crazy world.

Adam Curry 39:42 Oh, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:42 Like, I, I'm not telling people what to do.

Adam Curry 39:44 Nah.

Joe Rogan 39:45 I'm not, I'm not trying to establish new laws.

Adam Curry 39:47 Mm, no.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Not trying to overthrow the government. The idea of taking people down-

Adam Curry 39:50 It's a political mechanism.

Joe Rogan 39:51 But we all think about it that way. We all think-

Adam Curry 39:53 I don't.

Joe Rogan 39:53 ... "Oh, I'm trying..."

Adam Curry 39:54 I don't.

Joe Rogan 39:54 I, I don't mean, I don't think you agree with it.

Adam Curry 39:56 Okay.

Joe Rogan 39:56 But I'm saying we all think that that's common, that that's-

Adam Curry 39:58 It's worse than that. It's now gamified. And people are online, especially Twitter. I, I'm not, I... That's the only thing I ever look at if I look at something on social media. And they're like, "Oh, oh, look what he posted. Oh, he's probably gonna get deplatformed for that. Oh, oh, man. Oh, they, oh, they shut down his account, deactivated. Oh, this is an outrage." This is a game now.

Joe Rogan 40:20 It's, it's definitely a game in that respect.

Adam Curry 40:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:22 Especially, in the idea that, for a lot of people, they're, they see windows and then they have a bag of rocks that's handed-

Adam Curry 40:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... to them and they wanna throw these rocks through the windows. It's natural.

Adam Curry 40:32 But the thing is, what are people trying to achieve? I mean, the game-

Joe Rogan 40:35 They're bored at work. (laughs)

Adam Curry 40:36 Okay. Well, that's true.

Joe Rogan 40:38 (laughs) That, but then they're trying to get you canceled. "Fuck Adam Curry." And then they-

Adam Curry 40:40 But the game... Well, there you go.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Adam Curry 40:42 So, the, the object is no longer communicating something that could make a difference to people's lives, not in that game. That's now moving... Ultra podcast is still a big part of that, podcast... And they're coming for us. They're coming for podcasts. Although I've shored it up with podcasting 2.0. You know, w- you just-

Joe Rogan 40:59 Is this a pitch for podcasting 2.0?

Adam Curry 41:01 Fuck, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 (laughs)

Adam Curry 41:02 Get a modern podcast app at newpodcastapps.com.

Joe Rogan 41:07 I think there's always going to be-

Adam Curry 41:08 Uncancellable.

Joe Rogan 41:09 ... a way that they... There's always gonna be... Like, the tech people are too fucking smart. The people like yourself and the people that are deeply involved in, like, all the sneaky web shit, they're too smart to just let someone have full complete control over-

Adam Curry 41:25 Correct.

Joe Rogan 41:25 ... everyone's ability to broadcast.

Adam Curry 41:27 Correct. Correct.

Joe Rogan 41:27 Even though Twitter and a lot of these places have done a pretty fucking good job of silencing a lot of people, you're starting to see these new platforms emerge-

Adam Curry 41:37 All over the place.

Joe Rogan 41:38 And I think there's gonna be more of them in the future. We have to realize that YouTube's only like, how many years old?

Adam Curry 41:42 But, but-

Joe Rogan 41:42 13 years old or something?

Adam Curry 41:43 But also, here, here's what's changed. It doesn't mat-... Being the biggest audience, having the biggest outside of what you're doing really doesn't matter anymore, because you have an audience that wa-... You built this organically. This is not some algo fucking view when you're doing, you know, four se- four-minute clips or some shit like that. And, you know, your, your cover art is one of those things.

Joe Rogan 42:05 One of those things. (laughs)

Adam Curry 42:06 That's, that's what all... (laughs) You could look at all the YouTube videos to get attention to make you click on it.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Yeah.

Adam Curry 42:10 You know, "Aah, a shocking thing happened." So, um, what's imp- what is important now is people are able to assemble themselves in their own, own platforms, kind of back to what the internet was when it was completely decentralized. This is a part of the same movement.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah.

Adam Curry 42:26 "Hey, we're gonna talk about healthy living and we don't need to be the loudest voice on Twitter. People who are interested, they can come over here and they can hang out with us. And ev- everyone's welcome to come in. And if we decide you're a piece of shit, we're gonna kick you out." That's what, that... I- and then those tribes, they start to intersect, you know, and then now the technology exists for them to share between each other. That's what Jack Dorsey's doing with Black sk- uh, Blue Sky. I think it's Blue Sky.

Joe Rogan 42:50 What is, what is Blue Sky?

Adam Curry 42:52 It'll be basically that. You can have your own Twitter for your own community and it, it will be able to-... federate, so interact with other communities, but you have control over what community comes in-

Joe Rogan 43:03 I-

Adam Curry 43:03 ... and can communicate with you.

Joe Rogan 43:04 I did not know Dorsey was gonna start a new social media app. Is that... is a new social media app? It has nothing to do with Twitter?

Adam Curry 43:10 That's be- yeah, that's been-

Joe Rogan 43:11 'Cause he's free.

Adam Curry 43:12 That's been going for a while. I think that's something he's been building on the side. I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Right. But it's, it's not Twitter. It's something-

Adam Curry 43:18 It's, it's not, not part of... I don't think it's a part-

Joe Rogan 43:19 Yeah.

Adam Curry 43:19 It may use protocols similar to Twitter. I hope it's more protocols of Mastodon and ActivityPub, but... which would be open source.

Joe Rogan 43:27 Th- this is gonna be a controversial thing to say, but I'm gonna say it.

Adam Curry 43:29 Go ahead.

Joe Rogan 43:29 I think, uh, you could not ask for a better guy.

Adam Curry 43:31 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:32 If you could keep him at the... and, and people say, "Well, that's crazy. Look what they did at Twitter." I'm telling you, that guy wants it to be a free speech platform.

Adam Curry 43:41 Oh.

Joe Rogan 43:42 But the, the, these, those things are insanely complicated, and when you're dealing with, like, a corporation, like, he wanted to have too... uh, there's, there's too many people that are telling you what to do. There's too man- too many minds that are coming together on these things. When you... something that's as big as Twitter, I don't know how much say he had, but I guarantee you, there was a lot of other people who had a say as well. Whereas if he can start something and do what he initially wanted it to do... what he initially wanted to do with Twitter is to literally create a separate wing, like, to, to create a wild west wing-

Adam Curry 44:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:11 ... where there would be, like, regular Twitter that's like, you know, you get this sort of curated, corporate-controlled-

Adam Curry 44:17 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:17 ... message, because anything that gets outta line, they'll ban your account, right? Or wild west Twitter-

Adam Curry 44:22 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... and so you can do everything but dox people-

Adam Curry 44:24 Okay.

Joe Rogan 44:24 ... and threaten violence.

Adam Curry 44:26 So, I like Jack Dorsey. I li- I like the moves he's made. Uh, uh, uh, the, the context is that he was really running 100 million, 100 billion-dollar company, Square, you know, 90% of his time and working on decentralizing payment systems, thinking about Bitcoin, how that fits into, you know, what is the bridge between-

Joe Rogan 44:45 Uh-huh.

Adam Curry 44:45 ... the current world and, uh, and a bi- a Bitcoin-ized world. Um, (smacks lips) uh, I think he, he clearly saw decentralization a long time ago. I mean, Twitter started as a podcast platform, so he understood decentralization by default.

Joe Rogan 45:01 How did it start as a podcast platform?

Adam Curry 45:02 It was called Odeo initially, and they would do... it was really cool. I wa- I had Podshow at the time, and they, uh, were coming out with... it was... you know, you could manage your podcasts, you know, the ones you were listening to. You could also create it. It was done in Flash at the time, which was kind of-

Joe Rogan 45:18 Oh, I remember that.

Adam Curry 45:18 ... the hot technology. It's called Odeo. And then they-

Joe Rogan 45:21 I did not know-

Adam Curry 45:21 ... they-

Joe Rogan 45:21 ... that was Twitter.

Adam Curry 45:22 And then they pivoted and they took the, I think, the basic RSS concept. You know, Twitter had a whole, uh, technical progression, if you remember the fail whale, so they had to really re-architect the whole platform to manage the growth they had 'cause they kinda went off of... uh, it was just no way to do it in the RSS fashion-

Joe Rogan 45:40 Hmm.

Adam Curry 45:40 ... to make it fast enough, and that's what exploded. I mean, that... so Odeo just pivoted into, um, into Twitter, and it was phenomenal to watch. So, but that was... when he came back to run Twitter, that was really 10% of his time. And, you know, you think that people in America are bitching about, you know, kicking off, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene? How about the president of fucking Zimbabwe who's on the phone screaming at you because, you know, he won't censor this asshole or that? There's, there's, there's no winning to that job.

Joe Rogan 46:13 Right.

Adam Curry 46:13 No winning at all. And I think he also knows that it's over, that the social media, that people are gonna start moving away from it. He sees the decentralization, so he wa- he was ready to jettison out. I mean, I've just... I don't... I've had, like, one DM with him. That's it. And I'm just observe from, from a distance. I think he, he'll be a very important player, uh, in the de- in the true decentralized world that we're moving into, which we've been moving into for probably 15, 20 years.

Joe Rogan 46:44 It seems like for, uh, social media apps, that's the only way you're ever gonna achieve any kinda balance, but my concern is that they never get a chance. Like, when a new social media app starts, one of the things that first happens is immediately people start labeling it a right-wing alternative. That's, like, the immediate... th- v- that's the, the slam they, that it gets hit with as quickly as possible. And then when you observe some of those places, I don't wanna name names, but some of these new ones that start up and you see that there's, like, all this right-wing activity, you get a bunch of stuff. You get, like, your basic patriot stuff, the people that have the American flag. They, they don't say anything too outrageous. Sometimes they're shocked by certain political decisions. But then you see, like, outrageous people, over-the-top people, people that are, uh, uh, just com- they, they sound like they're fucking insane. They're, they're saying all these different people are criminals, and they should be court-martialed, and they, they get real aggressive. And you, you go, "How many of those are real folks?"

Adam Curry 47:42 Here's my question.

Joe Rogan 47:43 Right?

Adam Curry 47:43 What the fuck are you doing there in the first place? Who cares?

Joe Rogan 47:47 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Adam Curry 47:47 Who the fuck... now, but you... are you looking-

Joe Rogan 47:49 Yes, I'm looking at it for work.

Adam Curry 47:49 What are you looking for? But-

Joe Rogan 47:50 I'm a social-

Adam Curry 47:51 But-

Joe Rogan 47:51 ... studies-

Adam Curry 47:52 ... not, not just you.

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... professor. (laughs)

Adam Curry 47:53 Not just you. Of course.

Joe Rogan 47:54 I teach at a community college.

Adam Curry 47:54 I am also, I'm also a conspiracy therapist-

Joe Rogan 47:57 (laughs)

Adam Curry 47:57 ... Joe Rogan, so I... we are in, in good company. I, um, (smacks lips) what is the point? It used to be-

Joe Rogan 48:06 I'm trying not to get pissed off.

Adam Curry 48:06 It used... okay.

Joe Rogan 48:07 I'm a comedian.

Adam Curry 48:08 Right. So that's fine. And, and so people are wasting their fucking life away. You know, if you're interested in, in some shit about food, go find that community. It's gonna be a forum. It may be a Mastodon server. You'll find it. You know, go participate in that. People have to break free of... the dopamine hits. That's what's-

Joe Rogan 48:26 Yes.

Adam Curry 48:26 ... going on. It's the drug. It's the outrage. It's all that shit that go bing, bing, bing, "Ah, fuck." And I get it, and I love it sometimes, but I'm a responsible drug user.

Joe Rogan 48:36 It's also important-

Adam Curry 48:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:37 It's, uh, important to understand because it's a real factor. And this is how I'm looking at it. When I'm looking at these people arguing on these new social media platforms about, like, uh, which of, uh, the congressmen that are sitting in, you know, in this video is the bigger traitor and which one should spend the most time in jail, and like the, the way you're looking at though just the way they talk about stuff, you gotta... I just always go, okay, there... might be, like, a real hardcore person who's a right-winger or it might be a Russian troll. And that's what's fascinating-

Adam Curry 49:05 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 49:05 ... because I know that there's hundreds of thousands of them out there.... they, they have troll farms. They set these things up and they just purposely try to fuck with our perceptions and our arguments about things. They purposely try and I'm not saying that this is responsible for all of it, but I'm saying that they recognize how goofy we are, and they attack, and they're doing this all the time.

Adam Curry 49:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:26 And they're getting us to fight and they're getting us to be, uh, argumentative and-

Adam Curry 49:29 And here's what we're missing. So, while all this is going on, (smacks lips) the United States, in my opinion, put us very close on the brink of some kind of war, with a, with a move that has not been reported, poorly reported, no one really understands it, and that's Kazakhstan. Have you heard about Kazakhstan?

Joe Rogan 49:51 I don't know what's going on in Kazakhstan.

Adam Curry 49:52 There was a re- uh, a revolution overnight, and the government resigned, and the people took over, and the reason was, well, we're not really sure. We think it's because the, the price of gas doubled overnight, maybe because people were tired of QR codes and mandates, but this was really a color revolution. This was a, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:10 When did this happen?

Adam Curry 50:12 A week ago, maybe.

Joe Rogan 50:14 What?

Adam Curry 50:14 This has been building. So, but here's what's important. And, uh, s- huh, I think we both can agree that President Biden ain't running shit. Someone in, probably more State Department, uh, (Joe snorts) level is... has done... What are you looking at? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:32 Look at this title, "Kazakhstan President gives 'shoot to kill' order-"

Adam Curry 50:35 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 50:35 "... against protesters."

Adam Curry 50:36 All right. So let me explain. This is what I think is happening. For months now, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Putin, come on into Ukraine. You... And you know what the deal is there, is that we wanna put our anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine, and the Russians wanna put their S-400 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine. They don't want NATO or the US or anybody fucking with it. And this administration in particular, they're a bunch of Russiphobes, and they, you know, they... It may go back from the '60s, you know, there's a lot of people with a big hard-on towards Putin and Russia, and it has to be war with this guy, want come hell or high water, even if by proxy. So, this attention has been on Ukraine, and then unbelievably, all of a sudden we have, almost to the T, the playbook that they did in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, "Fuck the EU," I don't know from... If you know any of this stuff. That was basically... We led that, that whole change. That's pretty well-documented. John McCain was a big part of it, uh, uh, John Kerry, uh, just it was crazy. Uh, Biden as well, big part of that. So, this now happened in Kazakhstan, which is on the exact opposite side of Russia. So now, Putin, who has 100,000 troops, he has to haul ass, 'cause now he's got a real hot situation on his hand. And why is this important? Uh, Jamie, can you bring up a map of, uh, Kazakhstan? And this is... Someone is playing really brilliant but very dangerous moves in the Biden administration. Okay. So, if you look at Kazakhstan, it is in between Russia and China. And there's a... Down below, uh, there's, uh, above Kazakhstan there's... On the right, on the border, somewhere around there, Jamie, there's a town, it's called... I forget what it's called. And, and this is not helping these-

Narrator 52:25 Sorry.

Adam Curry 52:26 Yeah. Anyway, there's a, there's a to- the point is, this is where China is connecting their railroad system to Russia to go further into Europe. This is the Belt and Road, this is-

Joe Rogan 52:42 Oh.

Adam Curry 52:42 This is China's whole thing. This is also where pipelines are gonna be for Russia to send their natural resources to China. And the Biden administration, or someone running the show, just stopped that shit. They just stopped that dead in their tracks. And this is a huge problem for China, for Russia, but also, don't look at Ukraine, who knows, we may be sneaking in the rockets as we speak. Someone's, someone's doing something really nasty. And so, we've been (laughs) distracted by a lot of stuff, and this is happening.

Joe Rogan 53:11 Jesus Christ.

Adam Curry 53:12 Yeah. I, no, it's... It'll be okay, Joe. I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:15 I don't know.

Adam Curry 53:16 You're shocked you ever sh-

Joe Rogan 53:16 It might be sh- No, no, no, it might not be. You know, when I was talking to Oliver Stone the other day-

Adam Curry 53:21 Mm-hmm. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:21 ... and we were talking about his, uh-

Adam Curry 53:22 Whoa, I wanted to pick that up. I love that.

Joe Rogan 53:25 It was on the podcast.

Adam Curry 53:26 I, but it's lovely you said it.

Joe Rogan 53:27 Oh. It's casual.

Adam Curry 53:28 You know, when I was talking to O- Oliver Stone the other day.

Joe Rogan 53:30 I was trying to give him-

Adam Curry 53:30 What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 53:31 ... credit for what we're saying.

Adam Curry 53:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:32 Um... Fuck.

Adam Curry 53:34 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 53:34 Made me forget what I was gonna say.

Adam Curry 53:35 I fucked you on that, didn't I?

Joe Rogan 53:36 What we w- we were just talking about.

Adam Curry 53:38 Kazakhstan.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Kazakhstan.

Narrator 53:39 China, Russia, railway, pipelines.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Well, I lost it.

Adam Curry 53:42 Gosh, I'm so sorry.

Joe Rogan 53:43 That's okay.

Adam Curry 53:44 My s- poor attempt at humor-

Narrator 53:45 American leaders.

Adam Curry 53:45 ... fucked up your train of thought.

Joe Rogan 53:46 God dammit.

Adam Curry 53:48 Well, he was probably talking about how the American, uh, government does all kinds of, uh, crazy shit and is responsible for a lot of murder and destruction.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Oh, this is what it was.

Adam Curry 53:55 See, I knew I hit it.

Narrator 53:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:56 He said we were really close to nuclear war during the Kennedy administration.

Adam Curry 54:01 Sure. Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:01 And that there was multiple plays on both Cuba and there was ideas about going to nuclear war with Russia, losing possibly 30 to 40 million people. It... And we were talking about Dr. Strangelove, that's what it was.

Adam Curry 54:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:14 So in Dr. Strangelove, there's a general that sounds completely absurd. He's out of his fucking mind.

Adam Curry 54:18 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:18 He's a lunatic. Get him outta there.

Adam Curry 54:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:20 He's trying... Talking about surviving a first strike nuclear attack, like that we could do a first strike and we would probably survive, might lose Chicago, that kinda shit. That was a real person. There was... The, the real people that were actually considering us going to war with China-

Adam Curry 54:34 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:34 ... and Russia, and just getting it over with.

Adam Curry 54:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Because we're eventually gonna have to do it later. And so, they wanted to do that, and they wanted to do it with Cuba as well. And when you, you think about what, what's happening in this country right now, where... You know, this was... There was Kennedy back then, and Kennedy was the guy who was vetoing things and saying, "No, we're not gonna do that. We're gonna send, uh... We'll, we'll, we'll send envoys to Vietnam. We're not sending any more troops." Like, he had some ideas that a lot of the people in the military industrial complex weren't happy with. There's no one like that now.Like, uh, uh, what do you think, do you think Biden has real s- like, what, what kind of relationship do you think Biden has with control as the president?

Adam Curry 55:14 Oh, okay. Well, zero, and I'll tell you why. I think m- most if not all of what we're living through right now is a financial issue. It's not a health issue, uh, of course it is, but the real issue is a financial issue. And, um, what's come to bear, in my opinion, and this is kind of recent information, is that, you know, the 2008, 2009 housing crisis, that was fixed by printing a shitload of money, trillions of dollars, and pushing it off into s- ... Very difficult to explain how the financial system works, I'm not qualified, but I do understand in general lines what's happened. That's now come to bear, that someone has to pay the piper, and it kind of happens, uh, in central bank controlled economies, which is what we have with the Federal Reserve. So, that's a bunch of banks that really manage our money. They create it, they, they spend it, they do all kinds of stuff with it. We borrow from them. It's a very convoluted system. Um, uh, uh, now I, now I lost my train of thought.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Aah!

Adam Curry 56:17 (laughs) That's not fair.

Joe Rogan 56:18 It's that LA weed, bitch.

Adam Curry 56:20 Come on, Jamie, where was I?

Narrator 56:21 Convoluted system.

Adam Curry 56:23 Right, the convolute ... Ah, okay. So that, so that's-

Joe Rogan 56:27 (snorts)

Adam Curry 56:27 The balance sheet is outta whack and it's, it can jeopardize everything. We could have a crash of epic proportions.

Joe Rogan 56:32 Right.

Adam Curry 56:33 This stuff ... And it happens about every 10 years. If you think about all the crises we have, so we had-

Joe Rogan 56:39 2008.

Adam Curry 56:40 2008, but then before that we had 2001, 9/11, we had '87 before that. There's been all these crashes, around 10 years, kind of, the system has to reset, but it's compounding. You know, our, our national debt, which is all just kind of fictional shit, is probably, you know, quadrillions really, but doesn't, doesn't matter.

Joe Rogan 56:58 Why do you think that i-

Adam Curry 56:59 But wait, but wait for it. 2019, just before the, the outbreak of, of the Wuhan flu at the time, as we jokingly called it, the, uh, there was a huge problem with, uh, inter-bank lending. And how that works is irrelevant, but, um, as we now know, because that information just came out two weeks ago, uh, JP Morgan, uh, Chase, Morgan Stanley, Citibank, and Goldman Sachs collectively borrowed $11.7 trillion just before the pandemic started. When the Wall Street shit happened in 2008, 2009, it was about eight trillion, and something was fucked up in the system, then it melted down. Here, they melted down the economy by shutting everybody down. Shut that shit down. And now we've got all this money coming into the system, Cares Act, two trillion, just trillions and trillions of dollars that are just being created. They need it to keep the whole system alive, and that's why-

Joe Rogan 58:02 But here's, I'm getting confused here though. D- are you thinking this is engineered?

Adam Curry 58:06 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 58:07 The whole thing, the shutdown of the economy?

Adam Curry 58:09 Yes, that, tha-

Joe Rogan 58:09 That it wasn't done to protect people, that it was done ...

Adam Curry 58:12 In my opinion, that part was done, that was needed one way or the other. They could've done climate change, asteroids from space, I don't give a fuck. They needed to shut it down. They needed to stop the money flow to fix it and get more permission to print money to flood into the system. There's too much on the banking side and not enough on the people side. Go figure, they've been stealing it. So (laughs) they had to give people money, and that's what they did. They printed stimulus checks. In Texas today, if you and I start a consulting company, we, to, which is to, uh, motivate people to get vaccinated, we can get a grant of up to $1 million.

Joe Rogan 58:50 What?

Adam Curry 58:50 Yes. This is how much money there is for this shit, and that goes into the system, and that's what they needed to balance out this complete piece of crap. Now, is that gonna work? I mean, I'm ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:02 But here's the me- here's the question. Uh, do you think that it was engineered up until the point of releasing a virus? How far do you go with this?

Adam Curry 59:08 That's hard to say. I mean, maybe it was just a virus and it was made worse. I mean, they, they had d-

Joe Rogan 59:13 But they-

Adam Curry 59:13 They had drilled, they had practice for this, so they could trigger, trigger, um, m- muscle memory with the people who were in the vent 201 drills and everything. It, that's not that hard to do. Um, you know, and then, well, interestingly, uh, I feel Dr. Malone didn't do a good job of explaining mass formation.

Joe Rogan 59:34 He didn't?

Adam Curry 59:34 No. No, he didn't.

Joe Rogan 59:36 I thought it was awesome.

Adam Curry 59:38 No, he, he missed an important, a very important part of it, because it went kind of straight to Hitler, and that's not what mass formation is.

Joe Rogan 59:45 Well, he was just trying to give the worst case example in recent memory, I think.

Adam Curry 59:49 But we have an example right now.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Okay.

Adam Curry 59:51 And that's what makes it interesting. He, uh, the ... It's not actually called mass formi- formation psychosis, it's just mass formation. Um, the psychosis part is really not what the thesis is, and this is from Professor DeSmet, who was from Belgium. I lived in Belgium, I speak fluent Flemish and Dutch.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Who was this person again?

Adam Curry 1:00:09 Matias.

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Matias.

Adam Curry 1:00:10 Uh, Matt, Matias.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Right.

Adam Curry 1:00:12 So, I, I've had personal contact with him, but I have studied his, his, his pitch, so I understand what it is. The four, if you have four elements in society, which is dissatisfaction, uh, with your, your, like, meaning, just in general, what, uh, what piece of shit job do I have? If there's depression, a lot of people depressed, a lot of people on SSRIs. Um, if there's, um, a, uh, oh, a, uh, uh, a free-floating anxiety, which is, "Oh, oh my god, we've got this virus, what the fuck is it?" And then you add isolation to it, which even though w- we're online and everything, someone not going to the office sitting at home with two kids in a two-bedroom apartment trying to work remotely can feel very isolated. At that moment, mass formation can occur when a solution is delivered, and then everyone goes into a hypnotic state, and the solution was social distancing, the solution was masking, the solution was wash your hands, the solution is vaccine. And this hypnotic state, this is where it gets important-... is as powerful, m- Dr. Malone said that correctly, as what they do in, in operating rooms when someone is allergic to anesthesia. They can hypnotize you with the same mechanism, so you can get cut while you're-

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Really?

Adam Curry 1:01:26 ... not anesthetized. Oh, yeah. But most importantly, the leaders, the politicians, they are also in the same hypnotic state, and they get myopic, and like Australia, they get completely irrational and nuts. So, it doesn't lead to a dictatorship like Hitler. It leads to totalitarianism, and it's fucking lawless, and it's just gonna be... And look at what's happening.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:01:51 We've got people doing smash-and-grabs in Gucci.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 1:01:54 We've got the cr- We've got a lot of stuff going on. So, what I'm loving right now is that there's a, there's a mechanism in place that is waking people up from this. And, uh, many people may have heard this. People who have been double vaccinated, boosted, have followed all the rules, wear the mask, you know, whatever, they get Omicron, they feel shame. Have you heard of any of this?

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 No.

Adam Curry 1:02:19 Any of this? People feel ashamed, and like, "Oh my God, I can't believe it. I did, I did everything I was told to do. Everything, and I still got it. I'm so ashamed." And some people wake up and go, "Hey wait a minute, what the fuck am I ashamed for? I did everything right. And by the way, here I am." They're waking up from it, and they're now looking around, and now they're seeing all the other stuff that's happening. Collectively, this is... We're in a very bad state right now, and that's mass formation, and we're in it. We, we... And we can be in it for all kinds of reasons. But when the lockdown happened, that opened up opportunity and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 Look at it right there, Washington Post, "Thousands who followed the rules are about to get COVID. They shouldn't be ashamed."

Adam Curry 1:03:03 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Uh.

Adam Curry 1:03:05 They shouldn't. They shouldn't.

Joe Rogan 1:03:07 Of course not. But-

Adam Curry 1:03:07 They shouldn't.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 ... we, we should, we should stop thinking about fault and start looking at the raw facts. When you've got that woman, what is her name? That W- Voice of Doom on CNN, medical lady.

Adam Curry 1:03:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Wen? What was her name?

Adam Curry 1:03:20 Oh, Lena Wen.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yes.

Adam Curry 1:03:21 Lena Wen.

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:03:22 Is the Voice of Doom- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 She was saying... She's the Voice of Doom. She was saying that cloth masks are little more than facial decorations.

Adam Curry 1:03:28 Yeah. She's saying that they don't work- Yeah. ... on respiratory viruses. Well, she- she blew the mar- You know, she blew the marketing. She blew- she blew the marketing.

Joe Rogan 1:03:34 But she said it more than once, like-

Adam Curry 1:03:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 But they let her.

Adam Curry 1:03:37 Eh, possibly.

Joe Rogan 1:03:38 But, w- do you think that that's possibly just setting up the narrative that we're getting in new science?

Adam Curry 1:03:44 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 And we're starting to understand, to try to realize that people are not gonna take masks forever, so that you're gonna try to detox us slowly from masks. Slowly but surely, get the message out there that they're not necessary, they don't really do anything anymore. Just get vaccinated.

Adam Curry 1:03:58 Everybody, myself included, at this very moment, is trying to create a narrative.

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:04:04 I'm gonna be very open about it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Of course.

Adam Curry 1:04:06 This is very important, and this is a good place to do it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Mm-hmm.

Adam Curry 1:04:10 And it's great because it's a podcast, it's independent. Um, when someone needs to go do sh- this shit on mainstream television, you always have to be introduced as former FBI, former CIA, intelligence worker. You know, whatever the shit, and you, you do your spiel in a minute and 30 seconds, and you hope that that sticks. That doesn't work anymore. So now, there's long form. People can listen. People aren't stupid.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 They're not stupid.

Adam Curry 1:04:34 They can... Look, I'm a disc jockey. I can figure stuff out. I can recite a, a, a psychological thesis.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:04:42 (laughs) You know? So this, this is the, this is the kind of stuff we have to move to.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Th- this is what's scary to me about the way things are going. Like, every decision seems to compound the problem further, as if it's on purpose. Like when you-

Adam Curry 1:04:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 ... when you hear that people that are in government, and even some folks that have at least some control over law enforcement don't think that crime is a problem-

Adam Curry 1:05:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 ... it's, it's... There's a fucking, uh, letter-

Adam Curry 1:05:12 Disconnect. There's a disconnect there.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 There's a letter-

Adam Curry 1:05:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 ... that a friend of mine, I won't say where, lives, and one of his friends is a cop. And they sent him a letter of all the new guidelines, and these guys are passing it around 'cause they can't fucking believe it. Like what you're allowed to arrest people for, what you're not allowed to arrest people for-

Adam Curry 1:05:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 ... what you have to let people go for. And it's, they've, they've eliminated a lot of fucking crime. And this whole idea of having to add $1,000, anything more than $1,000 you can get prosecuted for-

Adam Curry 1:05:37 950.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 ... up to 1,000. Yeah.

Adam Curry 1:05:39 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 But that's nuts.

Adam Curry 1:05:39 ... here's, here's the problem, and my buddy Moe predicted this, and I think unfortunately he's right. Um, so this recent trial of, uh, ex-Officer Potter who, uh, uh, killed a guy. She thought she was reaching for her taser-

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 That's right.

Adam Curry 1:05:56 ... and yelled, "Taser," shot him. Um, so in hill country, there's a lot of, you know, service people up there. And my buddy, uh, Mike, he was considering going back into the police department and... You know, 'cause he was a l- he was there for a long time, and he, he, you know, quit for a little bit, and he was like, "I wanna go back, I wanna serve again." And after that trial happened, he said, "I'm not gonna do it because no one's got your back, and there's no way for you to police effectively because you..." If you have to have in the back of your mind in- That's what, that's what training is. And we always had kind of this secret agreement like, hey if it happens, like with military accidentally killing civilians... You know, I'm not trying to make it right, but I'm just saying, the thinking is no one wants to be a cop anymore. No one wants to serve the community. And you know what's gonna happen? He's gonna go into a wealthy neighborhood who have a private police force, and the people in poor neighborhoods are gonna get drones and robots and shit like that, and you're never gonna go to jail because we have the mechanism to lock you down now. We know where you are. You should be quarantining. You're quarantining for 15 years now in your house. There you go. That's, that's an... And why, and is that one single entity, or does m- do multiple things work in concert, or am I just hallucinating? Is it a simulation? I don't know, but that's what I see.

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 There's... Well, first of all, that one situation where that lady pulled out the gun instead of the taser-

Adam Curry 1:07:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 ... and shot that, that guy.... people think that that can't happen, you have never been in a situation-

Adam Curry 1:07:33 Oh-

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 ... where you're... Hold on. You've never been in a situation where it's life or death, first of all, because people freak the fuck out, and they go reptile, and they don't, have no idea what they're doing. And they don't realize until uh, after it's over, and then they try to piece it together in their memory. When you're in a violent situation with a person, when you think you gotta tase them, and you're a woman, here's another thing-

Adam Curry 1:07:49 Well, this is-

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 ... but, but hold on a second.

Adam Curry 1:07:50 This is what my buddy said.

Joe Rogan 1:07:51 This is the thing about-

Adam Curry 1:07:52 Same thing.

Joe Rogan 1:07:52 ... cops.

Adam Curry 1:07:52 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 I don't... And, and this is not just about women, 'cause there's a lot of women who can do it-

Adam Curry 1:07:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 ... and handle themselves. But you should be able to fucking handle yourself if you're gonna be a cop, period.

Adam Curry 1:08:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 When you see a lot of these cops that are s- like small people with no physical ability to restrain someone-

Adam Curry 1:08:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:08 ... and no martial arts background, whether it's a small man or-

Adam Curry 1:08:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 ... small woman, that's crazy.

Adam Curry 1:08:12 That's what my buddy said. He said, he says, "Forgive me for saying this, but women shouldn't be on the street."

Joe Rogan 1:08:17 I don't think that's all women. There's some women w-

Adam Curry 1:08:18 No, no, I'm just telling you the general feeling.

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Yes.

Adam Curry 1:08:21 And he has, he... Of course, he says that-

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 There's some beasts out there.

Adam Curry 1:08:23 ... there's some kick-ass, kick-ass women he works with. He says, "But in general, you get someone who's on, on meth or some crazy shit-

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Right.

Adam Curry 1:08:29 ... like that, you have no idea what comes out of a dude."

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 Right.

Adam Curry 1:08:32 That's insane.

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 You should be strong as fuck, and you should be really well-trained. And I think, you know, ideally, you would want it to be like an elite soldier. That's what you would want out of a cop. And the, uh, and through that, you would get more discipline too. You get people that are more disciplined 'cause there's a lot of these people that they get these jobs... Like, who had a bit about that? Someone had a bit about it, about growing up with cops. Fucking who was that? I don't... Whoever it was, um, they had a good bit about it, about guys who were cops when they grew up. I think it's Tim Dillon. It's Tim Dillon.

Adam Curry 1:09:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 That's what it is, about guys who were cops when he was growing up, like the, the kind of guys you grew up with-

Adam Curry 1:09:10 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:09:10 ... who then became cops.

Adam Curry 1:09:11 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 It shouldn't be that way.