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Joe Rogan Experience #1760 - Adam Curry

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast.

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Jun 27, 20243h 8mWatch on YouTube ↗

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    (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. NA

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Do, do, do, do, do, do.

    2. AC

      Da, da, da, dum, bum, bum, bum, ba, da, da.

    3. JR

      An audience with the pod father, ladies and gentlemen.

    4. AC

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      The original, the OG. Without him, we would not be here. Adam Curry, ladies and gentlemen.

    6. AC

      Joe Rogan, I l- I have much man love for you, my brother.

    7. JR

      I have much man love for you, buddy.

    8. AC

      I have much man love for you.

    9. JR

      If it wasn't for you, this business would not exist.

    10. AC

      Well ...

    11. JR

      You are the, you're the fucking patient zero, my brother.

    12. AC

      ... I appreciate you saying that.

    13. JR

      It's true.

    14. AC

      Without you ...

    15. JR

      Everybody needs to know it.

    16. AC

      Without you, holy shit, I wouldn't have been recertified.

    17. JR

      (laughs)

    18. AC

      (laughs)

    19. JR

      Someone needed to know. You know, it's like you gotta-

    20. AC

      Fucking, highly appreciated, man.

    21. JR

      Go through the archives. Without you. This is, you are the one.

    22. AC

      How, how's Texas treating you? It's been what, now, is it two years?

    23. JR

      Fan-fucking-tastic.

    24. AC

      Two years you've been here, about?

    25. JR

      No, no, no, it's-

    26. AC

      Year and a half?

    27. JR

      A year and a half.

    28. AC

      Year and a half, yeah.

    29. JR

      Yeah, year and a half.

    30. AC

      You like it?

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    That is industrial sludge,…

    1. JR

      good for you, right?

    2. AC

      That is industrial sludge, brother. And everyone's cooking with it. It's in everything.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. AC

      The market ... 'Cause it's rapeseed oil, but now we call it canola oil. The marketing has been fantastic.

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm. Rapeseed is a rough word to sell.

    6. AC

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      To health-conscious folk.

    8. AC

      But is there-

    9. JR

      Have you had any rapeseed?

    10. AC

      (laughs) Well, the ... I feel like it when I've had it, yeah. (laughs)

    11. JR

      (laughs) It's, um ... There's a, a well-known fact that, um, there's too much, uh, grain in a lot of people's diets.

    12. AC

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      In terms of, like, people that eat bread all day and pasta and, like ... Come on. Like, that's not something you should have all day like that. It's delicious-

    14. AC

      Do you, do you use animal fat for cooking?

    15. JR

      Yes.

    16. AC

      What do you use for cooking? Yeah.

    17. JR

      I use beef tallow.

    18. AC

      Okay. 'Cause most-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. AC

      You know, there was a, I think a PSYOP basically on the American people. Like, "Oh, that's gonna kill you. You can't have, uh, you can't use, uh, uh, protein, uh, uh, beef protein for your fat, for cooking."

    21. JR

      Why?

    22. AC

      Because they wanted ... You just have to accept-

    23. JR

      What, what was the, uh, argument?

    24. AC

      People are ass money. Money.

    25. JR

      I use avocado oil too sometimes.

    26. AC

      Money.

    27. JR

      It's got a s- high smoke point.

    28. AC

      The answer is mon- it's always money. Because it's-

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. AC

      I mean, look at ... It's great stuff. Rapeseed oil ... And, and more and more farmers are being incentivized in the United States to grow the last harvest because-

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    If they don't say…

    1. JR

      are.

    2. AC

      If they don't say "they/them", the seven-year-old has to learn "they/them"?

    3. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. AC

      Is that real?

    5. JR

      Yeah. No, look at the mechanisms. It's wh- what's controlling this? It's the TikTok. It's the algorithm.

    6. AC

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      It's the, it's the f- it's the phone we put in our, we put in our kids' hands.

    8. AC

      Did you, are you aware of, uh, I was having a conversation with a couple of friends of mine about this the other day, the, uh, the Shanna Swan book. The Shanna, Dr. Shanna Swan, she's a, um-

    9. JR

      Who's Bill?

    10. AC

      She's an environmental epidemiologist, I believe. Is that what, uh, her actual title is? She wrote this book that I always forget the name of it.

    11. JR

      Countdown.

    12. AC

      Countdown. Thank you.

    13. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    14. AC

      And it's all about chemicals-

    15. JR

      Did you ha- did you have her on the show?

    16. AC

      Yes.

    17. JR

      Yeah, I think so. I don't remember this.

    18. AC

      She's... Blew me away.

    19. JR

      Uh-huh.

    20. AC

      Blew me away. It's all about chemicals-

    21. JR

      Atri- atrazine?... yep, that's one of them-

    22. AC

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      ... for sure. Um, phthalates. Phthalates are a big one.

    24. AC

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      And what she was essentially saying was-

    26. AC

      (sighs)

    27. JR

      ... what we're dealing with is, uh, a, like a biological crisis. What-

    28. AC

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... like, from the introduction of petrochemicals into the, the human diet, these phthalates have caused some weird alterations of our reproductive systems. People are way less fertile. Women are, uh, more prone to having miscarriages, men have lower sperm count.

    30. AC

      (inhales deeply)

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    How did it start…

    1. AC

      by default.

    2. JR

      How did it start as a podcast platform?

    3. AC

      It was called Odeo initially, and they would do... it was really cool. I wa- I had Podshow at the time, and they, uh, were coming out with... it was... you know, you could manage your podcasts, you know, the ones you were listening to. You could also create it. It was done in Flash at the time, which was kind of-

    4. JR

      Oh, I remember that.

    5. AC

      ... the hot technology. It's called Odeo. And then they-

    6. JR

      I did not know-

    7. AC

      ... they-

    8. JR

      ... that was Twitter.

    9. AC

      And then they pivoted and they took the, I think, the basic RSS concept. You know, Twitter had a whole, uh, technical progression, if you remember the fail whale, so they had to really re-architect the whole platform to manage the growth they had 'cause they kinda went off of... uh, it was just no way to do it in the RSS fashion-

    10. JR

      Hmm.

    11. AC

      ... to make it fast enough, and that's what exploded. I mean, that... so Odeo just pivoted into, um, into Twitter, and it was phenomenal to watch. So, but that was... when he came back to run Twitter, that was really 10% of his time. And, you know, you think that people in America are bitching about, you know, kicking off, uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene? How about the president of fucking Zimbabwe who's on the phone screaming at you because, you know, he won't censor this asshole or that? There's, there's, there's no winning to that job.

    12. JR

      Right.

    13. AC

      No winning at all. And I think he also knows that it's over, that the social media, that people are gonna start moving away from it. He sees the decentralization, so he wa- he was ready to jettison out. I mean, I've just... I don't... I've had, like, one DM with him. That's it. And I'm just observe from, from a distance. I think he, he'll be a very important player, uh, in the de- in the true decentralized world that we're moving into, which we've been moving into for probably 15, 20 years.

    14. JR

      It seems like for, uh, social media apps, that's the only way you're ever gonna achieve any kinda balance, but my concern is that they never get a chance. Like, when a new social media app starts, one of the things that first happens is immediately people start labeling it a right-wing alternative. That's, like, the immediate... th- v- that's the, the slam they, that it gets hit with as quickly as possible. And then when you observe some of those places, I don't wanna name names, but some of these new ones that start up and you see that there's, like, all this right-wing activity, you get a bunch of stuff. You get, like, your basic patriot stuff, the people that have the American flag. They, they don't say anything too outrageous. Sometimes they're shocked by certain political decisions. But then you see, like, outrageous people, over-the-top people, people that are, uh, uh, just com- they, they sound like they're fucking insane. They're, they're saying all these different people are criminals, and they should be court-martialed, and they, they get real aggressive. And you, you go, "How many of those are real folks?"

    15. AC

      Here's my question.

    16. JR

      Right?

    17. AC

      What the fuck are you doing there in the first place? Who cares?

    18. JR

      No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    19. AC

      Who the fuck... now, but you... are you looking-

    20. JR

      Yes, I'm looking at it for work.

    21. AC

      What are you looking for? But-

    22. JR

      I'm a social-

    23. AC

      But-

    24. JR

      ... studies-

    25. AC

      ... not, not just you.

    26. JR

      ... professor. (laughs)

    27. AC

      Not just you. Of course.

    28. JR

      I teach at a community college.

    29. AC

      I am also, I'm also a conspiracy therapist-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

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    Who was this person…

    1. AC

      part is really not what the thesis is, and this is from Professor DeSmet, who was from Belgium. I lived in Belgium, I speak fluent Flemish and Dutch.

    2. JR

      Who was this person again?

    3. AC

      Matias.

    4. JR

      Matias.

    5. AC

      Uh, Matt, Matias.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. AC

      So, I, I've had personal contact with him, but I have studied his, his, his pitch, so I understand what it is. The four, if you have four elements in society, which is dissatisfaction, uh, with your, your, like, meaning, just in general, what, uh, what piece of shit job do I have? If there's depression, a lot of people depressed, a lot of people on SSRIs. Um, if there's, um, a, uh, oh, a, uh, uh, a free-floating anxiety, which is, "Oh, oh my god, we've got this virus, what the fuck is it?" And then you add isolation to it, which even though w- we're online and everything, someone not going to the office sitting at home with two kids in a two-bedroom apartment trying to work remotely can feel very isolated. At that moment, mass formation can occur when a solution is delivered, and then everyone goes into a hypnotic state, and the solution was social distancing, the solution was masking, the solution was wash your hands, the solution is vaccine. And this hypnotic state, this is where it gets important-... is as powerful, m- Dr. Malone said that correctly, as what they do in, in operating rooms when someone is allergic to anesthesia. They can hypnotize you with the same mechanism, so you can get cut while you're-

    8. JR

      Really?

    9. AC

      ... not anesthetized. Oh, yeah. But most importantly, the leaders, the politicians, they are also in the same hypnotic state, and they get myopic, and like Australia, they get completely irrational and nuts. So, it doesn't lead to a dictatorship like Hitler. It leads to totalitarianism, and it's fucking lawless, and it's just gonna be... And look at what's happening.

    10. JR

      Yeah.

    11. AC

      We've got people doing smash-and-grabs in Gucci.

    12. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    13. AC

      We've got the cr- We've got a lot of stuff going on. So, what I'm loving right now is that there's a, there's a mechanism in place that is waking people up from this. And, uh, many people may have heard this. People who have been double vaccinated, boosted, have followed all the rules, wear the mask, you know, whatever, they get Omicron, they feel shame. Have you heard of any of this?

    14. JR

      No.

    15. AC

      Any of this? People feel ashamed, and like, "Oh my God, I can't believe it. I did, I did everything I was told to do. Everything, and I still got it. I'm so ashamed." And some people wake up and go, "Hey wait a minute, what the fuck am I ashamed for? I did everything right. And by the way, here I am." They're waking up from it, and they're now looking around, and now they're seeing all the other stuff that's happening. Collectively, this is... We're in a very bad state right now, and that's mass formation, and we're in it. We, we... And we can be in it for all kinds of reasons. But when the lockdown happened, that opened up opportunity and-

    16. JR

      Look at it right there, Washington Post, "Thousands who followed the rules are about to get COVID. They shouldn't be ashamed."

    17. AC

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    18. JR

      Uh.

    19. AC

      They shouldn't. They shouldn't.

    20. JR

      Of course not. But-

    21. AC

      They shouldn't.

    22. JR

      ... we, we should, we should stop thinking about fault and start looking at the raw facts. When you've got that woman, what is her name? That W- Voice of Doom on CNN, medical lady.

    23. AC

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      Wen? What was her name?

    25. AC

      Oh, Lena Wen.

    26. JR

      Yes.

    27. AC

      Lena Wen.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. AC

      Is the Voice of Doom- (laughs)

    30. JR

      She was saying... She's the Voice of Doom. She was saying that cloth masks are little more than facial decorations.

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