Joe Rogan Experience #1766 - Ben Patrick

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Welcome. What's happening, man?

   2. BPBen Patrick0:14

      Hey, man.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      We should thank Jamie, because inadvertently, Jamie's the reason why this podcast got started.

   4. BPBen Patrick0:19

      You're welcome.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (laughs)

   6. BPBen Patrick0:19

      Thank you, guys. Thank you, Jamie.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Jamie t- What... Jamie told me about you, like-

   8. BPBen Patrick0:23

      It's probably three years ago-ish?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      A couple.

   10. BPBen Patrick0:27

       Yeah, at least.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Yeah, for sure, at least a couple. And I've always had, like, weird issues with my knees, for years. You know, I've had-

   12. BPBen Patrick0:33

       Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       ... both knees reconstructed. As... You've had a bunch of knee surgeries as well, right?

   14. BPBen Patrick0:37

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       How many knee surgeries have you had?

   16. BPBen Patrick0:39

       Well, I had, with my left knee, partially artificial kneecap. It was a strange-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Artificial kneecap?

   18. BPBen Patrick0:45

       Really strange thing. Yeah. Um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       What's an artificial kneecap? What's it made out of?

   20. BPBen Patrick0:51

       Some kind of, like, rubber plastic kind of shit. I was super depressed. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Wow.

   22. BPBen Patrick0:56

       I was, I was...

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       So, like, when you feel it-

   24. BPBen Patrick0:58

       I had missed my senior year of basketball, so I was getting... They said, basically, that my kneecap had fractured off, like the upper left side was just fractured, so they had to take it out and put something else in there.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       I've never even heard of that before.

   26. BPBen Patrick1:09

       You can... Yeah, you can still see kind of where it juts out.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Ooh.

   28. BPBen Patrick1:13

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       And can you sit on your... Well, obviously he can't. I've seen you. Be on your knees, no, no issues at all with that?

   30. BPBen Patrick1:17

       Yeah, yeah, no issues.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   One-handed hang while he's…

   1. BPBen Patrick15:00

      five years.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      One-handed hang while he's extending his legs, contracting his abs, and holding a 45-pound plate.

   3. BPBen Patrick15:07

      Okay. He ra- he rarely does that. That's... (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      But that's fucking wild. That's wild.

   5. BPBen Patrick15:13

      For me.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      What does this guy do?

   7. BPBen Patrick15:15

      He's a trainer.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      Pff. Man.

   9. BPBen Patrick15:18

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Fucking sign me up. (laughs)

   11. BPBen Patrick15:20

       Yeah, he, he, he wrote the, um, he wrote the gym book with me. It's a, it's intended to be like our gentlest starting tips for longevity.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       So that wheeled, uh, sled, what is the difference? Is that, does that have resistance on it? Like can you...

   13. BPBen Patrick15:35

       We can break it down.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       Yeah.

   15. BPBen Patrick15:36

       That's actually the third slide. So anyone-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       Oh.

   17. BPBen Patrick15:38

       I tr- I basically put in 100 plus hours of work just to prepare every commonly asked question from the podcast, so that anyone can go see. So I love a real sled. Like I heard you're putting a gym in here.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're putting a gym next door.

   19. BPBen Patrick15:53

       Turf and-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Yeah.

   21. BPBen Patrick15:54

       ... a real sled, you're gonna be hooked. But think about out of your driveway, a real sled is tough, uh, to find a good surface for traction. And you need friction, but if it's like choppy, that's no good.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       Yeah.

   23. BPBen Patrick16:08

       It has to be a smooth friction.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Oh, okay.

   25. BPBen Patrick16:10

       That's the cool thing about the sled, is being able to get a smooth friction. So it's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       But, uh, but it's kind of smooth on grass, right?

   27. BPBen Patrick16:15

       Kind of, but it depends on the grass.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah.

   29. BPBen Patrick16:17

       Also it would depend, you'd have to have a s- you know, certain degree of weather.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:22

       Hmm. Yeah, that's true.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   How do you have…

   1. BPBen Patrick30:00

      so...

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      How do you have the time for that?

   3. BPBen Patrick30:03

      Um, I-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Do you give yourself like a, a, an, a, like an allocation?

   5. BPBen Patrick30:08

      I, I'm very organized. I also have gone multiple years of my life without any entertainment sources whatsoever. So like this past year, 2021, I did no TV, no Netflix, no video games, not a single sports game of any kind.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Oh my God.

   7. BPBen Patrick30:21

      Yeah. So...

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      That sounds monastic.

   9. BPBen Patrick30:24

      Well, I can-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       (laughs)

   11. BPBen Patrick30:25

       ... I don't consider myself a lucky person.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       (laughs)

   13. BPBen Patrick30:28

       So I had to go, "Okay, (laughs) I know how much this, dragging this fricking sled works."

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       Right.

   15. BPBen Patrick30:33

       And it gets your cardio in, and you can put older people on it, and you can rehab on it. But people aren't aware of it the way I am. How do I get there?

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Right.

   17. BPBen Patrick30:41

       Okay, I wanna get lucky. I want my post to do well. I want people to know what I know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       Yeah.

   19. BPBen Patrick30:46

       So I tried to put luck on my side and, and literally work at it harder than anyone else was gonna work at putting, you know, uh, the negatives out there.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Well-

   21. BPBen Patrick30:56

       Here's this empowering, positive thing I'm trying to get out. Went hard at it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       It's clearly effective. It's just, it's very amazing the kind of dedication that it takes to have no entertainment, no Netflix, no video games. Jamie would die.

   23. BPBen Patrick31:10

       One-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Look at him over there.

   25. BPBen Patrick31:11

       ... of the best things I ever did.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:12

       He would literally die.

   27. BPBen Patrick31:12

       One of the best things I ever did. I did no cheat meals the whole year too.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       What?

   29. BPBen Patrick31:16

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       Nothing?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Wow. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      the UFC Heavyweight Title and then got beaten up by Stipe Miocic, who is a, uh, a, uh ... He's the most accomplished heavyweight champion of all time, Stipe is. One of the all-time greats, without a doubt. Goes down in history as one of the all-time greats. Stipe figured out how to avoid Francis's devastating striking power, get him to the ground, and wear him out and beat him up, and just dominated him in a five-round decision. Francis was devastated after that fight. And for the next fight, he fought like shit. He had another fight afterwards and, against this guy, Derrick Lewis, who's a very dangerous guy as well. And him and Derrick had this completely uneventful fight where neither one of them would pull the trigger, but Derrick did enough to win the decision, but it was one of the worst heavyweight fights of all time, with one of the most exciting heavyweight knockout artists ever fighting the other most exciting heavyweight knockout artist ever, and neither one of them pulled the trigger. It was terrible, but it was just his psychological defeat. It wasn't just a physical defeat to Stipe Miocic, it was the remnants of the psychological defeat. But then the pain of that was so frustrating and infuriating that he dug deep, revamped his training, switched camps, changed gyms, changed his approach, started destroying everybody, and then came back and devastated Stipe in the rematch.

   2. BPBen Patrick46:23

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:23

      Just knocked him out, and now he's the Heavyweight Champion of the world. So it's one of those things where it's like, "Ooh, after the Stipe fight, let's see how he rebounds." He didn't rebound good at all. He looked terrible in that Derrick Lewis fight. And everybody was like, "He might not ever make it." Now, boom, he's the Heavyweight Champ of the world and one of the scariest motherfuckers that ever walked the face of the Earth. He figured it out.

   4. BPBen Patrick46:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:45

      But he figured it out partially because of that loss. If he just went in there and knocked out Stipe in the first round, in that first fight, he probably wouldn't be the fighter he is today. He probably would've-

   6. BPBen Patrick46:56

      Probably worked harder.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:56

      Yeah, he probably worked harder-

   8. BPBen Patrick46:57

      Learned more.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:58

      ... learned more, developed his endurance more, realized how to pace himself more. It was the most valuable yet painful lesson. And those losses are so much better than those wins. If you think of his wins, like the knockouts of Curtis Blaydes or the knockouts of Junior dos Santos, I'm sure it boosted his confidence. I'm sure it showed him that he could perform at the highest level in the big stage. But not as much as that loss. That loss was like, that's the burning embers that will not fucking go out.

   10. BPBen Patrick47:24

       Probably still fuels him (laughs) .

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:25

       Probably. Probably gets up to pee in the middle of the night and is like, "Fuck!"

   12. BPBen Patrick47:28

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:29

       "That guy kicked my ..." Even though he knocked him out in the rematch, it's probably this-

   14. BPBen Patrick47:32

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       ... in the back of his head.

   16. BPBen Patrick47:34

       But I think it's like most of us go through life and never quite realize is that, like, the future's unwritten.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       Yes.

   18. BPBen Patrick47:39

       The ... You can be typecast, you can this (laughs) .

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:42

       Yeah.

   20. BPBen Patrick47:42

       I was typecast as the fragile nigga. I had nicknames for this. My high school nickname was Old Man-

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:47

       Really?

   22. BPBen Patrick47:47

       ... because of my knees. Now, it's like the, that's my ultimate advantage now, is my knees, when I play basketball.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       That's so wild.

   24. BPBen Patrick47:55

       So the thing I was worst at is now what I'm best at, so-

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       That's so wild.

   26. BPBen Patrick47:59

       Yeah. And, and for people out there, like, even if you think, "Oh, my knees are shot. I can't do anything about it," find a sled. Start dragging it backwards.

   27. JRJoe Rogan48:11

       Now what about people that have a lot of cartilage damage and meniscus damage?

   28. BPBen Patrick48:15

       More damage, the more you need the sled, because it gets the circulation. The toughest thing is when you start losing that ability to communicate to an area. So if you just have great knee bend and bla- ... It's very easy to get in there, work out your legs. What happens when you can't even figure out how to work out your legs because your knees hurt so much? You see what I mean?

   29. JRJoe Rogan48:34

       Yeah.

   30. BPBen Patrick48:34

       ... that's where the sled is the trick. We haven't really seen, it, there's no such thing as, like, uh, too much damage when it comes to just, okay, if you can walk, you can walk backwards. If you can walk backwards, you could drag a pound backward, two pound, keep going, more circulation while getting strength at the same time. You can will yourself out of extremely devastating knee issues. But I would say that you'd have to put in 100 miles, resisted, backwards, to know for sure, you know, "Oh, am I actually doomed or not?" And the more you do it, you start getting more communication in the area. You start getting stronger. It starts getting better. So, that's, that's been my formula for a long time now, and I think it would take the average person about five years of consistent work. But that would seem like, oh my God, five years. You know? But we don't think anything of spending decades to become good at a bench press or martial arts. You know what I mean? Or the piano.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:22

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      um, shallow. She's not-

   2. BPBen Patrick1:00:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      ... she's not going very deep. How is that?

   4. BPBen Patrick1:00:04

      I mean, that's okay. People start off with different ranges of motion.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      So is this for someone who's just starting?

   6. BPBen Patrick1:00:09

      You know, this is a common exercise that has been around a long time, the idea of hamstring curls. And I believe that hamstring curls are really good. But I want you to notice something on this, okay? Notice at the bottom of the rep. See how there's... The bottom, there's nothing, it's easy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

      Right.

   8. BPBen Patrick1:00:25

      See when, see when her leg is straight?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      Mm-hmm.

   10. BPBen Patrick1:00:26

       When her leg is straight, there's no weight. Now as she goes up, it gets tougher.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Right.

   12. BPBen Patrick1:00:30

       That's how hamstring curls are. The Nordic I was describing and showing?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       The opposite.

   14. BPBen Patrick1:00:36

       It's the opposite.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Yeah.

   16. BPBen Patrick1:00:36

       So, so I believe in doing the hamstring curls for more repetitions with lighter weights. You can get that healing effect, you can get blood flow into the area, um, be very, you know, be gentle with it. But then the Nordic has-... that intense bulletproofing effect because it's getting stronger as that muscle is lengthening.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       Mm, I see.

   18. BPBen Patrick1:00:56

       Power. It has much more powerful effects on adapting your body versus just general strength and healing. So a leg curl machine, general strength and healing. What was shown there was a free weight hamstring curl, so there's still body weight and free weight versus just machines. You know, it's well proven machines can have their place for sure.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Mm-hmm.

   20. BPBen Patrick1:01:16

       But there's something really special about free weight, you know what I mean?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       Yeah.

   22. BPBen Patrick1:01:19

       And so that's what... You know, applying the free weight and body weight concept to your ankles and knees and hips has really powerful effects, so if you've gone your whole life... And for me, the reason I became obsessed with the hip flexor was because of being a super slow guy. I, in high school, was like breaking records for my terrible 40-yard dash and stuff.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       (laughs)

   24. BPBen Patrick1:01:40

       And just... And it was embarrassing, you know? And even once I started getting to where I could jump better, until I started training that Nordic hamstring curl and the hip flexor and taking those as seriously as other people care about their bench and their squat, (whistles) now basketball is so much more fun because I can really run fast.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       Mm.

   26. BPBen Patrick1:02:02

       And I've trained a lot of NFL corners and stuff and I'm now like average speed with an NFL corner. That's fun, but impo-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       That's wild.

   28. BPBen Patrick1:02:08

       That was... But without doing measurable overload for the muscles that pick up my leg, I just... It wasn't there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       Right.

   30. BPBen Patrick1:02:15

       Because the natural athlete has it.

Episode duration: 1:58:45