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Joe Rogan Experience #1770 - Valentine Thomas

Valentine Thomas is a former attorney and financier turned free-diver, spear-fisher, chef, and author.

Joe RoganhostValentine Thomasguest
Jun 26, 20242h 33mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Ex-lawyer turned spearfisher on risk, hunting ethics, and reinvention

  1. Joe Rogan talks with spearfisher and former lawyer Valentine Thomas about leaving a conventional legal career in Montreal to build a life around freediving, spearfishing, and hunting. They dig into sustainability in seafood, debunking popular ocean documentaries, and the ethics of killing and eating animals versus industrial food systems. The conversation ranges from shark-safe wetsuits and deep-sea creatures to bowhunting, jiu-jitsu, self-defense, and the mental health benefits of hard physical skills. They close on social media toxicity, COVID policy in Canada, and Valentine’s new breathwork business for stress, sleep, and focus.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Reinventing your life is possible even after starting a conventional career.

Valentine walked away from a law track in Montreal to build a spearfishing-based livelihood, leveraging social media, partnerships, and niche expertise—showing that nontraditional careers can become sustainable with focus and creativity.

Spearfishing is closer to hunting than to rod-and-reel fishing.

It demands freediving skill, stealth, close-range decision-making, and direct responsibility for the animal you kill, making it an intimate, high-risk, high-awareness way to obtain food.

Sustainability in seafood is nuanced, and not all fisheries are destructive.

Valentine notes that roughly 80% of global seafood and about 99% of U.S.-sourced seafood is considered sustainable under current science, and she critiques sensational documentaries that ignore this while also acknowledging real abuses like forced labor and poor regulations in some regions.

Killing your own food profoundly changes how you view meat.

Both describe the emotional weight of their first kills, the importance of making clean shots and doing their own processing, and how eating animals they harvested themselves feels radically different—and often leads to rejecting anonymous supermarket meat.

Physical disciplines like jiu-jitsu, MMA, and archery double as mental health tools.

Valentine uses combat sports for self-defense and confidence as a solo female traveler, while Joe emphasizes the meditative focus of archery and the intellectual challenge of jiu-jitsu as ways to reduce stress and build resilience.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Tell me what you believe in, and I’ll tell you what you eat.

Valentine Thomas

Everything worth doing is hard.

Joe Rogan

I don’t buy meat in a grocery store anymore. I just don’t.

Valentine Thomas

Looking stupid is good for you. You have to look stupid.

Joe Rogan

If I had a serious disease and my life was in danger, I would leave [Canada].

Valentine Thomas

Valentine’s career shift from law to professional spearfishing and content creationSpearfishing technique, safety, and encounters with large marine animalsSustainable seafood, fish farming, and critiques of popular documentaries (e.g., Seaspiracy)Hunting ethics, emotional impact of killing animals, and wild vs. factory-farmed meatTraining for bowhunting, jiu-jitsu, and MMA as self-defense and mental disciplineSocial media culture, bullying, and mental health impacts on young womenCOVID restrictions in Canada, healthcare system strain, and risk trade-offsBreathwork for anxiety, sleep, stress management, and freediving performance

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