Joe Rogan Experience #1770 - Valentine Thomas

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Cheers.

Valentine Thomas 0:13 Cheers.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Hey. Must be Canadian week, two Canadians in a row.

Valentine Thomas 0:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:17 Salud, my friend.

Valentine Thomas 0:19 Who was the other one? Oh, yeah. The guy that was on yesterday.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Jordan Peterson.

Valentine Thomas 0:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Yeah, Jordan was on yesterday. Um, your country's in revolt. Do you know about this? Well, uh, show this video. Look at this video that I sent Jamie.

Narrator 0:29 This is huge.

Narrator 0:30 Look at they go forever. This is by Action Centre outside of Edmonton heading into Calgary, January 23rd, 2022. 1000 trucks, 1000 miles-

Joe Rogan 0:37 It's a giant convoy of trucks that's apparently some insane amount of people, like 50,000 trucks that are headed to Ottawa to protest the vaccine mandates by Trudeau. (protestors chanting)

Narrator 0:52 Whoo!

Valentine Thomas 0:55 And, and they're all coming from Canada because they're not allowed to come in.

Joe Rogan 0:57 They're all in Canada. They're all in Canada.

Valentine Thomas 0:59 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:59 It's all Canadian truckers. Because apparently they're, they're all being mandated that they have to get vaccinated, and they're like, "Hey, we don't even contact anybody. We're in our truck."

Valentine Thomas 1:07 Yeah, that's true.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Like, "We, we just drive."

Valentine Thomas 1:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10 And, you know. Okay, there's another one that I sent Jamie.

Valentine Thomas 1:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13 Watch this one. This girl is, like, uh, at a bar, and she, uh, I don't know if she's a stripper or what, but this is this guy's birthday. Don't you hear it?

Narrator 1:22 (hip hop music)

Joe Rogan 1:22 Where's the volume? Here we go. So watch this.

Narrator 1:26 (hip hop music) (crowd yelling)

Joe Rogan 1:27 Sh- she pours water on him, and then check this out.

Narrator 1:31 (hip hop music) (crowd yelling) (crowd clapping)

Joe Rogan 1:34 All fun and games, right? It's all fun, right?

Valentine Thomas 1:38 I hope he feeling is getting as bad as her.

Joe Rogan 1:40 She tases him.

Narrator 1:42 (hip hop music) (crowd yelling)

1:44 Oh, my god. Get it off.

1:46 Not good.

Valentine Thomas 1:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:49 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:50 Fucking tased him and lit him on fire.

Narrator 1:52 I saw that video today, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:53 You saw it too?

Narrator 1:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:54 Whoops?

Narrator 1:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:56 First of all, what, who gets tased at their birthday party?

Narrator 2:00 Good point.

Joe Rogan 2:02 (laughs) That seems-

Narrator 2:03 It's a lot.

Joe Rogan 2:03 What kind of friends-

Narrator 2:04 They're just sitting at the bar, they're just, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:06 Yeah.

Narrator 2:06 ... stun gun ready to go.

Valentine Thomas 2:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:08 I mean, when you get that burnt, like how, uh, how long was that? 10 seconds he was on fire for? Five seconds maybe?

Narrator 2:16 Yeah, he could probably recover from that, like Stevo does wild shit like that.

Joe Rogan 2:19 That's what I'm saying.

Narrator 2:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:20 But he, uh, he had to get, like, serious-

Narrator 2:22 No.

Joe Rogan 2:22 ... skin transplants.

Narrator 2:23 Nah.

Joe Rogan 2:23 Remember last time we saw him? He had like-

Valentine Thomas 2:25 Really?

Joe Rogan 2:25 ... bandages all over his arms. Yeah. That guy. That guy goes-

Valentine Thomas 2:29 How do you explain that to your wife though? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:31 Well, she knows. He's-

Valentine Thomas 2:32 Well, now she knows. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:33 Uh, is, I don't know if he's, is he married? Is-

Narrator 2:35 Well, Stevo's but I don't know about this guy.

Joe Rogan 2:36 Oh, that guy.

Narrator 2:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yeah.

Narrator 2:37 He's gonna have an issue.

Joe Rogan 2:38 That's gonna be a problem. Well, the video is out, so he's gonna have to explain that. But Stevo's wife is fully aware that he's out of his fucking mind.

Valentine Thomas 2:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 But that poor guy. So, my friend, for people who don't know you, uh, w- it's been a few years since you've been on the podcast, you were once a lawyer in Montreal or on your way to becoming a lawyer, and you were like, "Fuck this life," and now you're a spearfishing person, which seems to be-

Valentine Thomas 3:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:02 ... if you looked at that, like, on paper, like, you're like, "How... No, that's a recreational activity. That's not something that you..." But you figured out a way with your smart brain to actually monetize it. And-

Valentine Thomas 3:16 I did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:16 ... and promote it. And it's, it's very positive, 'cause it's like you're promoting, like, uh, first of all you're promoting freedom to choose to live your life the way you want to live, which in your case was like, "I don't want to be locked in a cubicle. I don't want to be in an office. I don't want to do this." And this diving in the water, holding your breath, and (breathing noises) shooting fish.

Valentine Thomas 3:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:38 How's that working out? How many years has it been now?

Valentine Thomas 3:41 It's been, well, it's been th- about, what, three years and a half now since I was in podcast?

Joe Rogan 3:45 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 3:45 And, um, I've been doing this for a good, maybe five years.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Have your parents settled into it yet?

Valentine Thomas 3:53 (sighs) They made a b- bit of way into it, but they still...

Joe Rogan 3:58 They wish you were a lawyer.

Valentine Thomas 3:58 The first question is more about, like, "Are you making good money?"

Joe Rogan 4:01 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 4:01 "Are you fine with that?" Which is fair enough, you know, when you're-

Joe Rogan 4:05 Right.

Valentine Thomas 4:05 ... older and you care for your kid, you just want him to be good.

Joe Rogan 4:07 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 4:08 I guess. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:09 Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it totally makes sense. But it's like they must realize that you're, like, a social media suc- success now. It's like the whole thing is, it's actually got weight of its own. It's got some momentum. You know, I see your posts, and they're very exciting. And you're, you're deep, deep, deep in the water with a spear gun in your underwear, like, swimming around.

Valentine Thomas 4:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:30 It's all very exciting. Right?

Valentine Thomas 4:32 I'm way too cold to be wearing underwear underwater. I wish I was but, uh... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 Well, sometimes you are, aren't you?

Valentine Thomas 4:38 (sighs) Uh, even when-

Joe Rogan 4:40 Most times wet suits.

Valentine Thomas 4:41 ... the water is 80, 90 degrees, I always have a wet suit.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Is, that's because, like, your body is 95, right? What's a, what's the human body normally?

Valentine Thomas 4:50 37 Celsius. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:51 Oh, you Canadians.

Valentine Thomas 4:53 (laughs)

Narrator 4:54 98.6, 98.6 yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:55 96? Right, 96. So, like, anything under that. Like, um, when, uh, I had a waterbed at one point in time, and, uh, if you're ever in a waterbed and the, the heat element goes out, you can't sleep in the waterbed. Like, you can't sleep in a cold waterbed. It freezes you. It sucks water from your body. Like, if you're in a waterbed and it's 70 degrees, it's not like being on a 70 degree mattress. It's brutal.

Valentine Thomas 5:19 I had no clue.

Joe Rogan 5:20 Yeah, you would think that it wouldn't be like being in the water, but it feels just like being in the water. It's like, ugh. I had to sleep on the ground.

Valentine Thomas 5:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:28 Yeah, I had to sleep on-

Valentine Thomas 5:28 I forgot about that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:29 I had to sleep on my carpet the first couple of times.

Valentine Thomas 5:31 That is crazy.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Does that mean-

Valentine Thomas 5:33 But that's not the main reason why I, I wear wet suits, because a lot of creepy stuff out there, and I-

Joe Rogan 5:38 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 5:38 ... don't want fire coral, a bunch of different things, so I always just want to make sure that my skin is protected.

Joe Rogan 5:44 Does anybody make a wet suit that's like Kevlar?

Valentine Thomas 5:48 (sighs) None I know of. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:52 W- uh, would that work? Because, like, Kevlar stops knives and bullets. Wouldn't it stop, like, shark bites?

Valentine Thomas 5:58 Well, it would be, the, the problem is that it has to be flexible.

Joe Rogan 6:01 Right.

Valentine Thomas 6:01 Because a free diving wetsuit is literally painted on your body.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Right.

Valentine Thomas 6:05 So, unless-

Joe Rogan 6:06 Super flexible.

Valentine Thomas 6:07 ... it has to be like, yeah-

Joe Rogan 6:08 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 6:08 ... you have to, to... It's pretty uncomfortable to put on.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Wetsuit is?

Valentine Thomas 6:13 A wetsuit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:13 Does it chafe your skin up too?

Valentine Thomas 6:16 It's like first- firstly, y- you can't put it on dry, so you have to put some soapy water on it.

Joe Rogan 6:20 Oh, okay.

Valentine Thomas 6:21 So just that part. If it's cold outside, it's just... (inhales)

Joe Rogan 6:24 Mm.

Valentine Thomas 6:25 It's a process.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 6:26 Just in itself. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:28 And so, um, they n- I know they make Kevlar clothes. Is it possible that they could make, see if they make Kevlar wetsuits?

Narrator 6:36 Yep, yep, we got one.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Ah, look at that. See?

Narrator 6:38 Kevlar neoprene.

Joe Rogan 6:39 See, you don't wanna die. I'm trying to help you. Don't get eaten.

Valentine Thomas 6:42 Okay. I will start a company of-

Joe Rogan 6:44 Let me see.

Valentine Thomas 6:44 ... Kevlar wetsuits to mount.

Narrator 6:45 Now I'll try to find a picture.

Valentine Thomas 6:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:45 I think they already have one. Jamie's already found one.

Narrator 6:47 Yeah. Or at least have articles talking about it. Uh, (clears throat) let me see. I mean, that's-

Valentine Thomas 6:54 Pretty great idea.

Narrator 6:54 ... there's pictures, but I don't know-

Joe Rogan 6:55 Here we go.

Narrator 6:55 ... if it's gonna help a lot.

Joe Rogan 6:57 Oh, you gotta look like a-

Narrator 6:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:58 ... Martian.

Narrator 6:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:59 Let me see.

Narrator 7:00 But it says like, they got...

Joe Rogan 7:01 "Scientists got sharks to bite into Kevlar. This is what they found." What the fuck did you find? Goddammit, Adblocker.

Valentine Thomas 7:11 That would be so cool 'cause then you could make like, a cool shark design-

Joe Rogan 7:14 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 7:14 ... where, like you white at bottom and dark gray at the top so like, fish can't see you from, from under-

Joe Rogan 7:19 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 7:20 ... and they can't see from the top either.

Joe Rogan 7:22 That's why sharks are white on the bottom, huh?

Valentine Thomas 7:24 Yeah. So basically, if you look up, white, you can't see it, and if you look down-

Joe Rogan 7:28 Mm.

Valentine Thomas 7:28 ... darker, you-

Joe Rogan 7:30 Oh, so sneaky.

Valentine Thomas 7:30 ... kind of blend in. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:31 Isn't that fascinating how an- I mean, you must see this a lot because you're always diving, how animals have figured out a way, somehow or another through natural selection and evolution, to blend in with their environment, like with coral reefs. And, you know, it's like, it's, it's so interesting, like how animals figure out a way to camouflage themselves.

Valentine Thomas 7:50 I mean, d- the ocean has been around for forever, so I mean, marine animal have way more time to evolve also, so it's, it's... Every time I catch a fish, I always spend time looking at it because it's, uh, d- design behind any type of seafood is just mind-blowing.

Joe Rogan 8:06 What'd you just show us, Jamie?

Narrator 8:07 I said it was, uh (laughs) , they're testing a, um, material getting bit by a shark bite.

Joe Rogan 8:12 Let me see it.

Narrator 8:13 You can't-

Valentine Thomas 8:13 Did it work?

Narrator 8:14 You can't tell, so.

Joe Rogan 8:15 Oh. Well, let's see.

Narrator 8:15 It just looks like it's getting eaten.

Joe Rogan 8:16 So it's like a brick of the material?

Narrator 8:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:18 Oh, okay. So they got it on a board just to see if it cuts through.

Narrator 8:21 And I guess it didn't work.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Why did the shark bite it? It's probably meat inside of it or something.

Valentine Thomas 8:24 Yeah, they probably put like, tuna inside of it.

Joe Rogan 8:27 They're so, so creepy. Such a fucking creepy animal.

Valentine Thomas 8:31 I mean, even if you... Uh, it's better than getting your arm ripped off, but-

Joe Rogan 8:34 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 8:34 ... they're definitely gonna break it.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Yeah. But, you know, if it breaks it, wouldn't that be f-

Valentine Thomas 8:41 It's much better.

Joe Rogan 8:41 That's, yeah, it's... Y- you're not gonna get massive tissue loss, you know? You have to get to the-

Valentine Thomas 8:45 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 8:45 ... hospital pretty quick. Plus, the shark will probably be frustrated and swim away, hopefully.

Valentine Thomas 8:50 I mean, it's, it's... Most shark attack is very often, u- unless it's rare occasion, it's, you know, they take one bite and like, "Bleh. I don't really like that," and they just swim away.

Joe Rogan 8:59 Well- well, aren't we delicious? Why don't-

Valentine Thomas 9:00 Apparently not. Apparently we taste like shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:02 That's so weird 'cause animals like us.

Narrator 9:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:05 I wonder why sharks don't like us.

Valentine Thomas 9:07 I'm not sure. We're not fishy enough.

Joe Rogan 9:08 'Cause they love seals. Maybe seals are fucking delicious.

Valentine Thomas 9:11 Maybe. Oh, I tried it.

Joe Rogan 9:12 Maybe that's the thing. Yeah? You tried seal?

Valentine Thomas 9:14 I tried it. It's, um... Seal is actually very invasive in Canada. It's been for a lot of years, um-

Joe Rogan 9:20 Really?

Valentine Thomas 9:21 The normal population that it should be should be around, like, 400 to 500,000, and now it is above four millions.

Joe Rogan 9:29 Four million?

Valentine Thomas 9:30 So it's a, creates a lot of issues around fish stocks, lobsters, things like that, so it's a, creates a, yeah, a lot of problems. So basically, there's different people who use s-... You can eat it. You can wear it. It's-

Joe Rogan 9:42 You can wear seals?

Valentine Thomas 9:43 I, I have f- seal boots.

Joe Rogan 9:45 Oh, you shouldn't tell people that on this podcast. They're gonna come for you.

Valentine Thomas 9:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:48 Don't you think, Jamie?

Valentine Thomas 9:49 Well-

Joe Rogan 9:50 Seals are cute.

Valentine Thomas 9:51 I mean, uh-

Joe Rogan 9:51 The problem with seals is like, they, they hit a ball with their nose. They're cute.

Valentine Thomas 9:53 Well, it's... Unless you experience minus 40 weather, like, you can try with your-

Joe Rogan 9:59 Minus 40 Celsius?

Valentine Thomas 10:01 ... H&M boot. It's the same in Fahrenheit.

Joe Rogan 10:03 Oh, that's right. That's, that's the number where it becomes the same.

Valentine Thomas 10:06 It is.

Joe Rogan 10:07 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 10:07 It's, it's minus 40, minus 40, and it's... Canada gets really, really cold, and sometimes-

Joe Rogan 10:11 I heard about that.

Valentine Thomas 10:13 ... it's hard to find clothes that makes you-

Joe Rogan 10:16 So seal's-

Valentine Thomas 10:16 ... warm enough.

Joe Rogan 10:17 ... the answer? That, that's the best stuff to wear, really?

Valentine Thomas 10:19 I mean, it's, it's w- when you think about it... Okay, le- let's see this from a rational, not cute little puppy seal perspective.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Right.

Valentine Thomas 10:27 It's when you're comparing a seal boots or a seal jacket that's gonna last you for 40 years, 50 years without degrading in the slightest, they're invasive, you can eat the meat, and then if you want to compare that to a Zara jacket that's created a lot of pollution and created a lot of, you know, borderline slaveries and, and, and poorer country, y-

Joe Rogan 10:45 What kind of jacket did you say?

Valentine Thomas 10:46 Like, a Zara or any-

Joe Rogan 10:47 What's a Zarrow?

Valentine Thomas 10:48 Zara. Z-

Joe Rogan 10:50 Zarra?

Valentine Thomas 10:50 ... I- Zara.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Do you know what that is?

Valentine Thomas 10:51 Sorry. My accent is so weird.

Narrator 10:51 I guess it's a company.

Joe Rogan 10:52 Oh, like a...

Valentine Thomas 10:53 Yeah, like a clothing, like H&M.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Oh. Okay.

Valentine Thomas 10:55 So it's-

Joe Rogan 10:56 Okay.

Valentine Thomas 10:56 ... there are better options out there, but it's, you know, those companies sell a lot of jackets, so it's... Sometimes you have much better...

Joe Rogan 11:05 Right. I get it.

Valentine Thomas 11:05 ... ideas just by doing that.

Joe Rogan 11:06 I see what you're saying. Yeah. Do people... (sighs) It's, we, we have these weird kinect... What is this, Jamie? Seal skin boots? Oh, wow.

Valentine Thomas 11:13 That's the ones I have. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:14 Those look pretty dope. They actually look pretty dope. -60 degrees, that's what

Joe Rogan 11:20 they're rated at?

Valentine Thomas 11:20 Oh, it's-

Joe Rogan 11:21 Really?

Valentine Thomas 11:21 ... I've, I've been in -57 degrees Celsius in those, and I, I was not feeling the cold-

Joe Rogan 11:28 Why are they so-

Valentine Thomas 11:28 ... in the slightest.

Joe Rogan 11:29 Why are they so good? Like...

Narrator 11:30 They need to. They make wetsuits.

Joe Rogan 11:31 They make wetsuits.

Valentine Thomas 11:31 I mean, because they, they, they live in freezing cold waters, so I'm, I'm guessing that the skin and the fur is actually really re- insulating and pretty made for...

Joe Rogan 11:40 So that would be better, like, even if you were, like, hiking in the mountains than, like, an insulated boot, wouldn't it?

Valentine Thomas 11:47 For sure. If I'm going, or when I'm going hunting in Alaska, I'm wearing that.

Joe Rogan 11:51 Really?

Valentine Thomas 11:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:53 Are they built for hunting? Like, can, can you, like, sidehill with 'em? Do they have good stability?

Valentine Thomas 11:59 I mean, they're pretty good. They have a pretty good gripping type of, uh, type of sole.

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah?

Valentine Thomas 12:04 And-... the, the, the fur is also waterproof.

Joe Rogan 12:08 Have you ever seen, like, what a technical hunting boot looks like?

Valentine Thomas 12:11 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:12 They, um, they make 'em in, like, a... A good company's Crispi. Pull up a Crispi, C-R-I-S-P-I. That's a good, or Schnes. That's another good one, S-C-H-N-E-S. Schnes makes an excellent hunting boot. And they make these boots, they design 'em to be, like, lightweight, but they also like... That's the, the Mid GTX. I have a pair of those, they're really good. But they make 'em to be lightweight, but they also have the ability to, uh, side heel. So, they're rigid on the sides and then they make 'em in like... Click on that one right there that you had right there.

Valentine Thomas 12:48 Oh, very nice.

Joe Rogan 12:48 And then they make 'em in ways where, um, you know, they have varying levels of insulation. But I wonder if there... If you could wear it like that right there, that's like a serious hunting boot right there.

Valentine Thomas 13:02 That's very cool. My friends made fun of me because I was kind of wearing sneakers type of thing to go hunting, because I didn't have anything else.

Joe Rogan 13:08 Were you... You were in Texas, though?

Valentine Thomas 13:10 No, I was in Alabama.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Alabama?

Valentine Thomas 13:13 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:13 Was it warm?

Valentine Thomas 13:14 No, it was 30 degrees. It was freezing.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Oh, really? What did you hunt in Alabama?

Valentine Thomas 13:18 Um, I went for white tail.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 13:20 And then we did a quail hunt on horses.

Joe Rogan 13:23 So, when did you start hunting? 'Cause you're all about... Your whole message is, like, sustainability, right?

Valentine Thomas 13:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:29 And this is the knock on fishing, is that people have, uh, an idea that fishing is not sustainable. And, uh, Jordan Peterson actually talked about this yesterday, and he said what they've figured out is that if you take large blocks of the ocean and make them, uh, off limits to fishing, because all the fish live within 40 miles of the shore, most of the fish do. He said if you take large blocks of these areas and designate them as off limits to fishing, then the fish grow and thrive in those areas, and then they venture out into other areas and it's like... It helps. It's

Joe Rogan 14:05 a win-win.

Valentine Thomas 14:05 Well, actually that, s- s- that study was retracted in October.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Damn it, Jordan, you fucked up.

Valentine Thomas 14:12 (laughs) Uh, sorry, Jordan. Um, it's... So, basically, it's what they call, uh, MPAs, which is, uh, marine protected areas.

Joe Rogan 14:19 Right.

Valentine Thomas 14:20 And there was these studies who came to the conclusion of the fact that if you increase by something like, like 4 or 5% the amount of marine protected areas, you would increase the fish stock by 20%. And the story was retracted because the doctor who was in charge of the study, apparently the study, the result was, was, uh... Or other study was depending on the result of this one, and it was a bunch of stuff that was just, like, kind of not okay at all. And, like, the other guy who co-authored the paper with her was her brother-in-law, so she broke a bunch of rules when it comes to, to ethic and kind of scientist-

Joe Rogan 14:54 Who... The guy who wrote the paper was her brother-in-law?

Valentine Thomas 14:56 Yeah, there was, like, some, some weird things going on.

Joe Rogan 14:58 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 14:58 And so the story... The, the paper was retracted.

Joe Rogan 15:01 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 15:01 The paper being retracted in the scientific industry is pretty, pretty intense. Um-

Joe Rogan 15:06 Hmm, here it is, retraction of flawed MPA study implicates larger problems in MPA science. Goddamn it, Jordan.

Valentine Thomas 15:13 So, they not only, they not only found that out, but they also found it out that basically she had vested interest in pol- in governmental policies.

Joe Rogan 15:22 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 15:23 So, there was also... There was a political meddling into all of this, so-

Joe Rogan 15:28 Right. So, she had a bias-

Valentine Thomas 15:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:29 ... in what she was trying to achieve from that study.

Valentine Thomas 15:31 So, this is, this is also, also a pretty good website. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm partnered with them, and they're, uh, University of Washington, and they talk about a lot of sustainable seafood and things like that.

Joe Rogan 15:40 You partner with them?

Valentine Thomas 15:41 Yeah, we just, uh, built up a blood- a blog, basically, together to talk about-

Joe Rogan 15:45 Nice.

Valentine Thomas 15:45 ... sustainable seafood. You know, like, people interested into seafood, which is about six people in the world, but, you know, we're a quite little community. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:52 (laughs) People are interested in seafood. A lot of people are interested in seafood. So, what is, uh, what's the best way to keep, uh, ocean fish and ocean wildlife sustainable?

Valentine Thomas 16:04 It's, it's such a complex topic. It's very, very complicated, because there's a lot of assets to it, right? But it's this... The thing that I tell people is, "Tell me what you believe in, and I'll tell you what you eat."

Joe Rogan 16:15 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 16:15 Because there's not one answer, you know. You can think about protecting the ocean, you can think about carbon footprint, you can think about modern slavery, you can think about-

Joe Rogan 16:24 Modern slavery?

Valentine Thomas 16:25 Oh, there's a lot of people who works on boats in different countries that are barely paid.

Joe Rogan 16:30 Really?

Valentine Thomas 16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:30 So, if you're buying fish, you might be buying fish that was caught by slaves?

Valentine Thomas 16:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:35 Ugh.

Valentine Thomas 16:35 So, there was a big documentary called Fish... Okay. So, just to clarify on that point though, is the Seaspiracy talk about that a lot, but-

Joe Rogan 16:44 Okay, let's... You have a French accent, and sometimes when you talk-

Valentine Thomas 16:48 I do, sorry. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:48 ... I... It's, it's fine. English is your second language.

Valentine Thomas 16:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:50 I only have one. You're better than me. But when you say Seaspiracy, nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about.

Valentine Thomas 16:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:56 You meant Seaspiracy. It's a film.

Valentine Thomas 16:59 Seaspiracy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:00 It's a documentary.

Valentine Thomas 17:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 17:01 Seaspiracy.

Valentine Thomas 17:02 So, it was on Netflix, and they kind of portrayed a pretty doom and gloom situation of fisheries around the world. And it's... There's, there's about 80% of the seafood being consumed around the world that is still sustainable. There is issues. There's issues in third world countries and, and remote places. The United States is the best country in the world when it comes to sustainable seafood.

Joe Rogan 17:26 Really?

Valentine Thomas 17:26 It's about 99% of the seafood being consumed that's f- coming from the US that is sustainable.

Joe Rogan 17:34 Oh, well, that's good.

Valentine Thomas 17:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:36 So, when you say sustainable, how do they do that? Are they doing, doing that with, uh, offshore farms? 'Cause I know they have some of those, because I was in, uh, Hawaii, um, and, uh, we were... Shout out to my friends at Strike Zone. There was, um... We were on a boat and we were catching these yellowfin tuna, and this guy was telling me, um, that... One of the gentlemen that I was fishing with, that these fish are not even native to that area.... that they were a part of, like, a, a, like, a farm. They have this enormous, like, kind of roped off area where they had left, like... I don't know how they do it. They have, like, a large net or something like that.

Valentine Thomas 18:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:15 Enormous area. And they would feed these fish and they were using them for sushi. And they were, you know, capturing 'em, so they live in the, the ocean. They would feed 'em little fish and shit like that and plump 'em up and then a storm came and fucked up their net, and then they got out into the ocean and we were catching 'em. And apparently there was one area we could catch a lot of 'em and that's where we caught 'em, and I was like, "This is really interesting because, uh, could they do this all the time?" Like, is this a way to, like, reintroduce fish into the ocean and, you know, 'cause they behaved like... Wow, fish is not like a-

Valentine Thomas 18:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:48 ... a- any other animal that you raise in captivity and they become domesticated. Fish just have that little robotic go, eat, kill, like, switch-

Valentine Thomas 18:56 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:56 ... in their brain. You don't have to teach them how to do it.

Valentine Thomas 19:00 I mean, it's... F- farming is, uh, is like... It's a pretty touchy subject because there's good farming, there's bad farming, you know, same thing with-

Joe Rogan 19:06 Right, like things with animals.

Valentine Thomas 19:07 Yeah, bu-

Joe Rogan 19:07 ... same thing, right?

Valentine Thomas 19:08 But when you think about fish farming, it's the same thing as cattle. It's, it's basically the exact same thing.

Joe Rogan 19:13 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 19:13 So, there's a good way to raise it and there's a bad way to raise it.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Right.

Valentine Thomas 19:16 And it's... I think it's just about finding that species. Tuna's a bit tough because they're pelagic, so it means that they're migrat- migratory fish.

Joe Rogan 19:24 Yeah, migratory.

Valentine Thomas 19:25 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:26 Yes.

Valentine Thomas 19:26 And, uh... (laughs) So it's... You know, what they often do, especially with bluefin tuna, like, tuna that have very high value, is they're gonna catch it in the wild and they're gonna put it in pens and they're gonna just fat them up.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 19:38 Making sure, like, they're nice and chubby and then they can sell it too.

Joe Rogan 19:41 How do they catch 'em? In a net?

Valentine Thomas 19:42 Yeah, normally purse seine is probably one of the... It accounts for a lot of, uh, I think over 65% of the tuna catch around the world. It's, it's, it's a great way to catch tuna because it's basically... You throw a net around a school of tuna-

Joe Rogan 19:58 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 19:58 ... so there's very little bycatch because you just grab that school and then that's it.

Joe Rogan 20:02 Okay.

Valentine Thomas 20:02 And it don-

Joe Rogan 20:02 So you don't have to worry about dolphins or anything else there.

Valentine Thomas 20:03 Yeah, so the problem becomes when you use what you call a FAD. So a FAD is the fishing and grading device, and what it does, it, like, creates, like, a little habitat. Normally it's, like, some stuff hanging and then you have a small fish, then the medium fish, then the big fish, and there are predators around. So what did... A lot of people do is they put those FADs in the middle of nowhere, it creates an ecosystem, throw a gigant- gigantic, sorry, net around it, pick up everything. That's when the bycatch gets terrible.

Joe Rogan 20:30 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 20:30 But purse seine, when you're catching a school without FADs, the bycatch is very, very low.

Joe Rogan 20:35 So bycatch is what they call, like, collateral damage. So it's-

Valentine Thomas 20:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:39 ... a bunch of fish that you don't want. What do they do with the fish that they don't want? Like, what if they do that and they p-... They, they throw a net and they get, like, l- like, manta rays or something that they're not looking for?

Valentine Thomas 20:50 (sighs) It's... They, they throw them overboard. Most of the time, they're, they're dead.

Joe Rogan 20:55 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 20:55 Um, a lot of people try to say, like, "Why don't we just keep the bycatch when it comes to fish?" Obviously, no- nobody wants to eat dolphin, apart, um, other parts of the world. Um...

Joe Rogan 21:06 What parts of the world eat dolphin?

Valentine Thomas 21:08 Japan, I think.

Joe Rogan 21:09 Do they eat dolphin?

Valentine Thomas 21:09 I think so.

Joe Rogan 21:10 R-... I know they kill 'em. That Cove documentary-

Valentine Thomas 21:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 21:13 ... was horrible.

Valentine Thomas 21:15 So you can buy it at the, at the store. (dramatic music)

Joe Rogan 21:18 Really?

Valentine Thomas 21:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 21:19 I wanna see dolphin meat on a shelf. Let me see that.

Valentine Thomas 21:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:22 That's like... To me, that's like people meat.

Valentine Thomas 21:25 It's pretty, it's pretty... Yeah, it's pretty intense. They're very, very smart.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Is-... Isn't it? That's the thing. Isn't it funny how we categorize animals in terms of their intelligence? Like, what-

Valentine Thomas 21:34 It's bad.

Joe Rogan 21:34 ... what you're willing to kill? Like, elk are... They are very highly tuned into their environment. Like, they smell you, they run. You know, they see a mountain lion, they run. If there's anything going on, they run. But they're not smart. Like, they... If you... If they're horny, like, and you have, uh, camo on, you could l-... Be standing with your back to a tree and a g-... And you catch them on the right day and if you got a guy who has a cow call, it's like (cow call sounds)

Valentine Thomas 22:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:04 ... they'll look right at you like, "For real? Where is she?"

Valentine Thomas 22:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:07 "Where the fuck is she?" Like, they don't... If you stand totally still, you know, they recognize, um... They, they're, they're not an animal that sees things like we th-... See things. They rec-... They have, like, edge detection, so they recognize movement. So what they recognize is anything that might be a threat, anything movement. So when you have camo, like... Um, I'm wearing a Sitka shirt. So it's like Sitka camo, it's, like-

Valentine Thomas 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... very broken up. It's excellent camo. So if you're standing dead still, that elk or a deer sees you, it's just, like, blocks of, like, images. They don't know what the fuck you are.

Joe Rogan 22:45 So-

Valentine Thomas 22:45 Aren't they colorblind too?

Joe Rogan 22:47 I think so. I think they are.

Valentine Thomas 22:49 Deer is definitely colorblind.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yeah. I think elk are colorblind too. But my God, their sense of smell is insanity. Uh, they could be, like, 150 yards away, like (sniffs) "See ya."

Valentine Thomas 23:00 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 23:01 Just fucking take off. What's up?

Narrator 23:02 What level of picture do you want to see 'cause-

Joe Rogan 23:05 Hmm. Interesting.

Narrator 23:06 ... it gets kind of dark in here.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Okay, let's see the most (laughs) sanitized version-

Narrator 23:10 (laughs) Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:10 ... of dolphin meat.

Narrator 23:11 All right. That's what I thought.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Let's see the most sanitized.

Narrator 23:13 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:14 See what it looks like.

Narrator 23:15 Um.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Maybe zoom in so I can... There.

Valentine Thomas 23:17 (exhales)

Narrator 23:17 There you go.

Joe Rogan 23:18 Oh, Jesus, they have dolphin sushi.

Valentine Thomas 23:20 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Okay, that's mahi-mahi, buddy.

Narrator 23:22 Well, it says dolphin sashimi.

Joe Rogan 23:23 That's dolphin fish.

Valentine Thomas 23:23 Oh yeah, dolphin... Yeah, dolphin in-

Joe Rogan 23:25 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 23:25 ... in Florida is mahi-mahi.

Joe Rogan 23:26 Yeah, they call it dolphin fish.

Narrator 23:28 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:28 And that, that is mahi-mahi.

Narrator 23:29 Oh, I was... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:30 Thank God. Now I feel okay.

Valentine Thomas 23:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:32 I was nervous. I was like, "I'm gonna be looking at a person's leg."

Narrator 23:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:35 Okay, now that stuff on the left, that's dolphin.

Narrator 23:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:38 That's different. Okay, Jesus Christ.

Valentine Thomas 23:40 Oh.

Joe Rogan 23:40 So that's dolphin.

Narrator 23:42 And then-

Joe Rogan 23:42 Meat Trade Dolphin Project.

Narrator 23:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 23:43 So click on that, international killing of whales and dolphins, below that, right there. Goddamn. So that's so obviously-

Valentine Thomas 23:50 So red.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Look how bloody it is. Yeah, well, it's a red meat. It's a... Dolphin is a mammal, you know? I mean, that's what we have to recognize. When you look at them, you're not looking at a fish, you're looking at a mammal that for whatever fucking weird reason decided to live in the ocean.

Narrator 24:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:07 Yeah.

Narrator 24:08 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Isn't it weird, though? Like, all of our instincts are, like, to pull away from that.

Narrator 24:12 There's even some package stuff, too.

Valentine Thomas 24:13 Well, it's- it's- it's, like, funny enough, I've- I've, you know, I've killed deers and- and- and a bunch of fish, and the only thing that I ever killed that felt very, very wrong to me, that I felt, like, really bad inside was an octopus.

Joe Rogan 24:30 'Cause they're smart.

Valentine Thomas 24:31 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 24:32 And I don't- I don't know. It was just a weird feeling after it.

Joe Rogan 24:35 Really?

Valentine Thomas 24:35 And it was- I was just like, "Ugh, I'm- I don't wanna do that again. I don't feel comfortable."

Joe Rogan 24:39 Really?

Valentine Thomas 24:39 It was very od- it's- I have no other explanation than emotions. It's not- there was no rationale behind it. It's- you can find octopus in most restaurants, but-

Joe Rogan 24:48 Right. Yeah, so octopus sushi is super common.

Valentine Thomas 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:52 I had octopus last night, actually. No, I didn't. No, that's not true. I had octopus two nights ago. I don't wanna lie.

Valentine Thomas 24:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:00 But, um, yeah. I- if I wa- saw them in the wild, I probably would not want to kill them. But if it's convenient, I'll order them. Like veal.

Valentine Thomas 25:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:09 I don't want to kill a baby cow.

Valentine Thomas 25:11 Yeah, no.

Joe Rogan 25:11 But if somebody serves me veal, I guess I'll eat it. It's, like, it's a weird thing. It's like, why is it a- the okay to kill the cow when it's f- you know-

Valentine Thomas 25:19 A baby.

Joe Rogan 25:19 ... eight years old, and not okay to kill the cow when it's one years old? Like, it's weird. Like, I get it. I don't-

Valentine Thomas 25:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:26 I- I get it. They're cute. I get it.

Valentine Thomas 25:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:29 Cute things are awesome. I like cute things, you know. Like, if you saw a lamb- you'd never buy lamb if you saw what lamb is.

Valentine Thomas 25:37 Yeah. (laughs) For sure.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Like, I- I was with some friends last night and they ordered lamb. Like, all th- uh, a- app- apparently lamb is easier for some folks to digest. Jordan's wife and his daughter, and they all eat lamb. But lamb's a baby sheep.

Valentine Thomas 25:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Yeah.

Narrator 25:51 You ever seen- you ever seen a blanket octopus?

Joe Rogan 25:53 Whoa.

Narrator 25:54 Watch this.

Valentine Thomas 25:54 Oh, that's so cute.

Joe Rogan 25:55 What is that?

Narrator 25:55 Watch, watch what happens.

Joe Rogan 25:58 What is that?

Narrator 25:59 And, phew.

Joe Rogan 26:01 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 26:02 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 26:03 Oh, my God.

Valentine Thomas 26:04 It's a cape.

Joe Rogan 26:05 That's amazing.

Narrator 26:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:07 What?

Narrator 26:08 It's fucking cool. I saw it on the- online the other day.

Valentine Thomas 26:10 That's-

Narrator 26:10 It's-

Joe Rogan 26:10 That's real?

Narrator 26:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:12 Holy shit. Looks like-

Narrator 26:13 They're real rare.

Joe Rogan 26:14 L- r- really?

Valentine Thomas 26:14 Wouldn't have done, like-

Narrator 26:15 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 26:15 ... superhuman and-

Joe Rogan 26:16 Can you play that again?

Narrator 26:17 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 26:17 Thingies, and just, like, put it back in?

Joe Rogan 26:19 It's in the Philippines. Look at that thing.

Valentine Thomas 26:20 So cool.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Wow. For folks just listening, this thing is- it's white and it has, like, little tiny tentacles, looks like an octopus, but, like, little short tentacles. And then it spreads this thing out behind it and it's like a magic carpet. It's almost like Superman, like...

Valentine Thomas 26:37 Like a cape.

Joe Rogan 26:38 Like, that's wild.

Narrator 26:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:40 And the- the thing is all colored like a fish, too. Like, you look at the sides of it, it almost looks like a fish. Like it's camouflaged. God, look at that.

Narrator 26:49 There's a different one.

Valentine Thomas 26:49 It's so beautiful.

Joe Rogan 26:50 That's amazing. That's one of the coolest things I've ever seen in the ocean. I can't imagine that's real. Wow.

Valentine Thomas 27:00 Must be really deep, too.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Thank you, Jamie. I did not know about that.

Valentine Thomas 27:04 (laughs) I did not know either.

Joe Rogan 27:04 There's so much cool shit in the ocean. Like, whenever they do these, like, deep dives in the ocean and they find creatures that they never discovered before, it just makes you wonder, like, what is down there? What the fuck is down there? Have you ever seen a telescope fish?

Valentine Thomas 27:19 I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Oh, my God. Telescope fish is amazing. It doesn't look real. And it swallows things bigger than it, so its mouth is, like unhinged, like... (growls)

Valentine Thomas 27:30 Oh yeah, weird thing with, like-

Joe Rogan 27:31 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 27:32 ... other mouths inside of it?

Joe Rogan 27:33 No.

Valentine Thomas 27:34 No?

Joe Rogan 27:34 It was on my Instagram. I had it on my Instagram a while back, 'cause one- the first time I saw it, I was like, "How the fuck is that real?" Is that it?

Narrator 27:41 I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 27:42 No, that's not it.

Narrator 27:43 Is that even real?

Joe Rogan 27:44 Fish with a transparent head.

Narrator 27:45 What the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 27:46 Yeah, it's got a transparent head.

Valentine Thomas 27:47 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:47 You can see into its brain. Okay. Look at that.

Narrator 27:51 That looks like some CGI shit, but nah-

Joe Rogan 27:52 That looks totally fake.

Narrator 27:52 ... it just looked way too real.

Joe Rogan 27:54 That looks totally fake.

Valentine Thomas 27:55 I think it was a top nine of-

Joe Rogan 27:57 Is it, like-

Valentine Thomas 27:57 Somebody sent me a meme that said, "When your friends tell you- tell you that there's plenty of fish in the sea," and they send, like, nine- the ugliest fish in the ocean.

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 28:05 And this is, that's the fish in the sea. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:08 (laughs) That's funny. See if you can find a telescope fish. That's it. That little sucker. So that little sucker, his mouth, i- like, it opens up bigger than his whole body.

Valentine Thomas 28:21 That's very weird.

Joe Rogan 28:21 Like, the opening, and then it's- it can swallow things bigger than its bo- Like, if you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, "Get the fuck out of here. That's not real." Like, if you saw that in Avatar and it was swimming around and it was, like, eight feet long and it was swallowing things that are 10 feet long, you'd be like, "What the fuck?" It doesn't look real.

Valentine Thomas 28:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:41 But that's the ocean. The ocean's amazing. Like, if the ocean existed on another planet, we would be so much more excited about it.

Valentine Thomas 28:48 For sure.

Joe Rogan 28:49 Isn't that weird?

Valentine Thomas 28:50 But again, it's those species that have been evolving for way longer than we have.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah. But they are alien. They're so- they're alien to terrestrial life. Like, if you saw them on another planet, we would be fascinated.

Valentine Thomas 29:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:03 But they exist and you could watch them on YouTube and barely anybody gives a shit. Like, how many videos were that, uh, the one- the octopus with the cape.

Narrator 29:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 29:11 How many views did it have?

Narrator 29:13 I mean, I- like I said, I just heard of it and you'd never heard of it, so.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Right. Let's see how many views it has, though.

Narrator 29:18 Like, who knows?

Joe Rogan 29:18 Maybe we're just idiots. Maybe the rest of the world's well aware and it's got 45 million views.

Valentine Thomas 29:23 (laughs)

Narrator 29:23 Uh, the- the little tiny one had 31,000 views.

Joe Rogan 29:25 That ain't shit.

Valentine Thomas 29:26 That's nothing.

Narrator 29:27 And the one I showed, the other one, had maybe 300,000.

Joe Rogan 29:30 MrBeast gets out within the first three seconds of his uploads.

Valentine Thomas 29:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:33 Yeah. That's crazy. It's like you should- that should be millions and millions. But if you go to, like, you know, some fucking TikTok house party video (laughs) that's, like-

Valentine Thomas 29:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:48 ... 100 million views-

Valentine Thomas 29:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:50 We're- w- we should be much more fascinated by it, but we're not for whatever reason. It's not something that's compelling to people where they reach out and try to look at as much, uh, s- underwater life as possible.

Valentine Thomas 30:01 I mean, especially at those depths when it's getting, like, really dark, that's where the real creepy stuff really live.

Joe Rogan 30:07 I think that's, like, 500 plus meters. How m- what depth does that s- little sucker live in?I think it's something crazy.

Valentine Thomas 30:17 Yeah, I think my, my diving abil- capability don't go below really, like, 100 feet.

Joe Rogan 30:23 Well, do you ... Do you ... You don't scuba for the most part, right?

Valentine Thomas 30:26 No, I free dive.

Joe Rogan 30:27 You free dive.

Valentine Thomas 30:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:27 So you just hold your breath?

Valentine Thomas 30:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:29 How long can you hold your breath for?

Valentine Thomas 30:30 Uh, five minutes 45.

Joe Rogan 30:32 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 30:33 But it's not ... I, I don't train for free diving, pure free diving. I like to get in a water, I like to grab dinner and then-

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 30:39 ... enjoy the view.

Joe Rogan 30:40 Right.

Valentine Thomas 30:41 Free diving is a very special sport.

Joe Rogan 30:43 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 30:44 It's like, you go down a line and you go down as deep as you can and you hold your breath, you have to stay calm and composed, and in your head, and you have to be mentally super strong, and it's-

Joe Rogan 30:53 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 30:54 It's interesting. You, you can get into it but it's ... I guess I have too much of a attention deficit to do that.

Joe Rogan 31:00 (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 31:00 I'm like, "Oh, fish." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:03 Well, you're just ... You're in it for a different thing.

Valentine Thomas 31:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:05 You're in it to enjoy the, the, the life of being underwater. When you're down there, do you think, like, "I escaped"? Do you ever think, like, uh, like you escaped?

Valentine Thomas 31:16 I do-

Joe Rogan 31:16 Like, 'cause you could've, could've been in that corporate world. You could've been ... Like right now ... How old are you now?

Valentine Thomas 31:22 34.

Joe Rogan 31:22 You don't wanna tell people?

Valentine Thomas 31:23 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 34.

Valentine Thomas 31:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:25 Right now, you could've been, like, working towards, you know, like, moving up in the company and you'd have to go on those stupid dinners and, and, and deal with all the company politics and ... Instead, you're in the ocean.

Valentine Thomas 31:40 Yes. It's actually the only time and place where I couldn't care less about my phone, about anything. I mean, the president can be calling me, I'll be like, "Sorry, I'm busy, I'm fishing." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:51 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 31:52 So it's ... That's what I like. It's ... There's on- no other place that I can actually feel this free about everything else.

Joe Rogan 32:00 Is there a concern that you eat so much fish that you could get mercury poisoning?

Valentine Thomas 32:04 Not really because mercury poisoning is really more into bigger species.

Joe Rogan 32:10 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 32:10 So swordfish, by example, shark, uh, some very, very big tuna. So I don't really eat enough of those fish that, that would become a problem.

Joe Rogan 32:19 How can I say does?

Valentine Thomas 32:21 The what?

Joe Rogan 32:21 Does fish. Does fish.

Valentine Thomas 32:23 Just those bigger fish.

Joe Rogan 32:24 Those bigger fish.

Valentine Thomas 32:25 Yeah, like swordfish.

Joe Rogan 32:26 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 32:26 I have a friend who got mercury poisoning from-

Joe Rogan 32:29 Really?

Valentine Thomas 32:29 ... from eating too much swordfish.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Oh, so did they kill a swordfish and just eat the whole thing and get sick?

Valentine Thomas 32:34 No, it was ... He was a guide, he was a chartering guide, so, you know-

Joe Rogan 32:36 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 32:36 ... he just had a lot of, of fish-

Joe Rogan 32:38 Oh, so he was eating it a lot.

Valentine Thomas 32:38 ... all the time in it.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 32:40 And it fucks you up pretty badly, like, you can start crying for no reason and you just don't know-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Oh, shit.

Valentine Thomas 32:45 ... why and it makes you just ... Yeah, it's pretty uh-

Joe Rogan 32:47 Yeah, I'd heard about a guy who was a, um ... I heard about it on my friend Steve Rinella's podcast, where the guy was a, um, a professional fisherman, like he would go in the lakes and he would-

Valentine Thomas 32:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:59 ... compete in tournaments and he would eat a lot of fish. And those apparently are the ones that have the most, uh, heavy metal p- toxins, is f-

Joe Rogan 33:08 ... a lot of freshwater fish.

Valentine Thomas 33:09 Freshwater fish?

Joe Rogan 33:10 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 33:10 I'm not too familiar with that type. I very rarely fish in freshwater.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Well, um, I had, uh, arsenic levels in my blood that were detected at one point in time and I went to this doctor and, you know, I get blood work done regularly. So I get this blood work done, the doctor goes, "Um, this is concerning." He goes, "You have arsenic levels in your blood," and I go, "Hmm." And I was like, "Oh shit, is my wife trying to kill me? What the fuck is going on?"

Valentine Thomas 33:36 (laughs) And then she's like-

Joe Rogan 33:37 And-

Valentine Thomas 33:37 ... "I don't like this person (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:38 This bitch trying to slowly poison me." No, and then he said, uh, "It's very low levels, though." He goes, uh, "Do you eat a lot of seafood?" I go, "I eat a lot of anchovies." He goes, "How often?" Or not anchovies, excuse me, sardines.

Valentine Thomas 33:49 Okay.

Joe Rogan 33:49 He goes, "How often?" I go, "Every day." He goes, "How much do you eat?" I go, "Three, four cans." He goes, "Stop doing that." (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 33:55 (laughs) That's a lot.

Joe Rogan 33:55 He goes, he goes, "Stop doing that and then come back in a few months." I'm a v- ... And I'm, I'm an obsessive and one of the things that I'll do is I'll buy, like, two cases of sardines. And so, like, if I like a sardine company, I'm like, "These are good."

Valentine Thomas 34:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:11 So I'll just buy, like, two fucking cases and then I'll come home from, like, a comedy club at, like, midnight and I don't feel like cooking but I wanna l- ... like, watch a little YouTube or sit in front of the TV.

Valentine Thomas 34:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:22 So I'll eat, like, three or four cans of sardines and I was doing it all the fucking time. And so I was developing an ... like, an arsenic problem. But it qui- ... It cleared up very quickly. I stopped doing it, I stopped eating 'em and then I came back to 'em in three months and he's like, "There's none. It's all gone." So it was all good.

Valentine Thomas 34:40 That's crazy, though.

Joe Rogan 34:41 Yeah. Well, let's you know. You know, you, you know? Those little fuckers, you know, they have to swim around in our bullshit.

Valentine Thomas 34:49 That's true.

Joe Rogan 34:50 It's what it is. It's our bullshit. It's our toxins and whatever we're dumping into the ocean. (sighs)

Valentine Thomas 34:57 I mean-

Joe Rogan 34:57 I'll give you a little fucking thing you might not know. Do you know how the Somalis ... You know, Somalis are known for being pirates, right?

Valentine Thomas 35:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:04 Do you know why?

Valentine Thomas 35:07 Um, I think it's because we took pretty much all of their fish close to shore and now they got pissed off-

Joe Rogan 35:13 Worse.

Valentine Thomas 35:13 ... and they decided to become pirates and kill us all.

Joe Rogan 35:16 W-

Valentine Thomas 35:16 Or actually steal our money.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Worse.

Valentine Thomas 35:18 Worse?

Joe Rogan 35:18 Worse than that. They started ... Europeans and other countries started dumping their toxic waste off the s- the shore of Somalia.

Valentine Thomas 35:26 Yikes.

Joe Rogan 35:27 And they killed all the fish. And so these Somali fishermen, they call themselves ... I think they call themselves the People's r- ... something ... Goddammit, I forget what they called themselves initially. They were like ... It was like a militia idea, like they were gonna go and stop these people who were destroying their livelihood.

Valentine Thomas 35:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:53 I mean, it's a very poor country.

Valentine Thomas 35:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:55 So they started kidnapping these people that were the captains of these boats that were dumping this toxic waste and they would demand a ransom. And then once they did that, they go, "You know what? Fuck fishing."

Valentine Thomas 36:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:07 They just started kidnapping people, you know?

Valentine Thomas 36:09 When will I run into this business? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:11 And then on top of that, they started ... They were doing a drug called khat.... it's, uh, it's a narcotic, like a natural narcotic. And this, this khat is like a, a leaf that you chew and it makes your teeth rot out of your head. Like, it's fucking disgusting. Like, they get black teeth. See if you can find it, K-H-A-T, uh, khat, uh, teeth. It's, uh, 'cause it's like they're chewing this funky leaf and it gives them, it's like m- like a meth face thing they get. You ever see, like, faces of meth where people, like, they lose their teeth and they get all, their teeth get all cracked out?

Valentine Thomas 36:51 Kind of.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 36:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:53 I mean, it might be just, like, they're not brushing, but...

Valentine Thomas 36:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:56 (laughs) I think there's a lot more to it.

Valentine Thomas 36:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:58 But this khat stuff they chew and, um, it makes their teeth, like, fucking black and nasty. So, they're cranked out of their mind and then they got these nasty teeth.

Valentine Thomas 37:09 Ew.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Look at that. That's what it looks like when they chew that stuff.

Valentine Thomas 37:12 Oh, that's, yeah-

Joe Rogan 37:13 Fucking wild, right?

Valentine Thomas 37:15 ... really funny, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 Yeah. K-H-A-T chewing and dental staining. Yeah. It's weird.

Valentine Thomas 37:24 That's pretty bad.

Joe Rogan 37:25 So, these guys would get cranked up on this khat stuff and then they didn't give a fuck, and then they would go after these, uh, these boats. What is the, the effect? It is like a stimulant, right, Jamie? Does it say?

Narrator 37:38 Yeah, I believe-

Joe Rogan 37:39 The effect of khat, K-H-A-T.

Narrator 37:41 Uh, let me just take that off of there. Yeah, I think it is. Uh, not... I don't know about full meth, but probably on, like, coke or something.

Joe Rogan 37:54 Khat and alcohol-

Valentine Thomas 37:56 It's a big difference between coke and meth. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:57 ... and drugs, obviously.

Narrator 37:57 I know.

Joe Rogan 37:57 Yeah, big difference, right? Well, coke is what you, you do when you have money.

Valentine Thomas 38:03 That's a good point.

Joe Rogan 38:04 Right? Meth is what you do when you're in a truck stop.

Valentine Thomas 38:07 (laughs)

Narrator 38:07 Alkaloid stimulant.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Yeah, so it's some-

Narrator 38:10 It's alkameth.

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... alkaloid cathinone, a stimulant which is said to cause excitement, loss of appetite, and euphoria. It's meth. It's like a meth-y thing. So, these guys would get whacked out on this stuff and then they'd go and fucking kidnap boats. "Look at me. Look at me. I'm the captain now."

Valentine Thomas 38:29 "I'm the captain now." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:29 (laughs) That's what that is. I mean, that's why that dude was so skinny. He obviously probably didn't have a lot to eat either.

Valentine Thomas 38:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:34 But also probably whacked out on that khat stuff.

Valentine Thomas 38:37 Oh, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:38 Yeah, it's interesting. So, that's what happened. Those fucking assholes from other countries came and dumped all their toxic waste. You know, if they don't know what to do with their toxic waste, like, "What are we gonna do? Oh, just dump it over here." So, they were dumping it off the shore where these guys would fish and just destroyed the habitat of the fishing... What'd they call themselves? Like, the, the People's Navy of Somalia or something?

Narrator 38:58 So, I was digging through an article about it and I didn't find that first.

Joe Rogan 39:01 Hmm.

Narrator 39:02 Uh...

Joe Rogan 39:05 It's interesting because, you know, by other people being assholes, they force these, you know, uh, pleasant, kind fishermen into becoming pirates.

Valentine Thomas 39:17 And nobody probably talks about it.

Joe Rogan 39:19 I-

Valentine Thomas 39:19 They don't wanna take responsibility.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah, probably not. Also, it's like, they don't have a, a voice, you know? All, all everybody knows is Somalis are pirates. Like, you hear Somali pirates, you go, "I've heard that before."

Valentine Thomas 39:29 Yeah, for sure.

Joe Rogan 39:30 But if you hear, like, "Somalis got fucked over. They used to be fishermen and people were dumping toxic waste overseas and it forced them into becoming pirates," you're like, "Oh, that makes more sense."

Valentine Thomas 39:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:39 Like, how else would they just become pirates? Like, why would they, like, you know, what's that?

Valentine Thomas 39:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Why are they becoming pirates?

Valentine Thomas 39:45 I mean, there's a bunch of pirates also off the coast of Brazil.

Joe Rogan 39:49 Oh, really?

Valentine Thomas 39:50 So, my, um, my dad retired and he bought a sailboat and he ran across the Atlantic.

Joe Rogan 39:55 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 39:56 For, like, three years. And he, he had a couple of friends who went somewhere that they were not really supposed to go and they got kind of, their, their boat got taken over by pirates. They got, like, duct taped and everything and they stole everything they had in the boat.

Joe Rogan 40:12 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 40:13 With guns and everything. Like, a-

Joe Rogan 40:14 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 40:14 ... older couple in their 60s.

Joe Rogan 40:16 Holy shit.

Valentine Thomas 40:17 Pretty scary story.

Joe Rogan 40:17 How'd they get out? What happened? How'd they survive?

Valentine Thomas 40:20 I guess they just stole everything and they, they, they just left.

Joe Rogan 40:23 Left them there?

Valentine Thomas 40:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 40:24 They left them duct taped?

Valentine Thomas 40:25 Yeah, but it's stories about ransoms, about asking the family for money-

Joe Rogan 40:28 (gasps)

Valentine Thomas 40:28 ... and different things like that. It's, it's... Yeah, the ocean can be a pretty scary place t- if you don't know where to go.

Joe Rogan 40:35 Well, it's kinda lawless. There's a thing about the ocean, it's like, when you're out in the middle of nowhere and then you see a boat. Like, if you're on a boat in the middle of nowhere and then you see another boat in the middle of nowhere, you're like, "Oh, fuck."

Valentine Thomas 40:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:48 Right? It's like the woods. Like, things are scary in the woods. Like, if you see a man at the mall, that's not scary.

Valentine Thomas 40:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:58 But if you're, like, 14, 15 miles into the woods and you see a man and he looks you in the eye-

Valentine Thomas 41:05 You're like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 41:05 ... like, "Oh, Jesus, is this guy gonna eat me?"

Valentine Thomas 41:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:07 Like, "What the fuck?" You know? Like, you, it's... When people are separated from everything, we think of the worst possible thing that they could do to us.

Valentine Thomas 41:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:17 Whether it's in the ocean or in the f-... Like, even a baby in the woods. If you saw a baby in the woods looking at you, you'd be like, "Ha! It's a fucking baby!"

Valentine Thomas 41:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:24 (laughs) You'd, you'd wanna run away. Like, everything's scary in the woods.

Valentine Thomas 41:29 That's true because I did from, um... I actually did from Brazil all the way to the top of the Caribbeans with my dad on a sailboat.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Really?

Valentine Thomas 41:36 And it was my dad, one of his friend, and me.

Joe Rogan 41:40 Did you guys have a gun?

Valentine Thomas 41:41 So, my, my, my dad didn't answer me when I asked that question.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Oh, so he had a gun?

Valentine Thomas 41:46 I'm gonna guess that was the answer was yes.

Joe Rogan 41:48 Yeah, he had a gun.

Valentine Thomas 41:49 But he was, um... And we left, we were like 400 miles away off shore.

Joe Rogan 41:54 400?

Valentine Thomas 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:54 (gasps)

Valentine Thomas 41:54 So, I had to work two-hour shift every four hours for about three weeks.

Joe Rogan 42:00 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 42:00 And it's-

Joe Rogan 42:01 What did you have to do?

Valentine Thomas 42:02 So, because, especially, even if you're far away, you know, they have f- small fishing boats that don't have, that don't show on the radar. So, you kind of have to be on lookout and look every five minutes on both side of the boat to see if you see lights to make sure you don't, you know, kill somebody in the middle of the night.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Have you seen the video that just got out recently of these guys that are fishing on this boat? They're just sitting there with their rods, fishing.

Valentine Thomas 42:23 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:24 And this boat is coming straight towards them, and they wave, and then they realize, "Oh, my god. This boat's not gonna stop," and they jump out of the wa- in- into the water. Did you see that?

Valentine Thomas 42:32 I did see that. And

Valentine Thomas 42:33 I would-

Joe Rogan 42:33 See if you can find that, Jamie.

Valentine Thomas 42:34 ... I wou- I would, I would like to say that this is an isolated incident, but-

Joe Rogan 42:37 It's not.

Valentine Thomas 42:38 ... what scares me the most in the water, it's boats.

Joe Rogan 42:41 Oh, yeah.

Valentine Thomas 42:41 It's not sharks. It's not anything. It's boats, because-

Joe Rogan 42:44 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 42:44 ... actually, it, it happened to me once. I was with friends, and a boat was literally on top of us.

Narrator 42:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:50 Here it is.

Valentine Thomas 42:50 And we dove down.

Joe Rogan 42:51 This is it. This is it.

Narrator 42:51 Okay, it's a couple years old, just so you know, but... oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Boom.

Valentine Thomas 42:55 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 42:56 Watch this.

Narrator 42:57 Hey, hey, hey! Oh my god. Look out.

Joe Rogan 43:06 Fuck. How bad did the boat get fucked up?

Narrator 43:09 Oh, yeah, I didn't mean to hit that one. Sorry.

Valentine Thomas 43:11 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 43:13 Jesus.

Valentine Thomas 43:13 That's what you call a Sunday boat driver in Florida.

Joe Rogan 43:15 Well... Oh my god, it just mangled their boat. Wow, that's crazy.

Valentine Thomas 43:19 That's so insane.

Joe Rogan 43:21 Well-

Valentine Thomas 43:21 Well, my friend got boat of his fin chopped up by a prop. He saw the boat coming, and he dove down straight away, and the prop chopped boat of his fin off.

Joe Rogan 43:29 The fins of his, his-

Valentine Thomas 43:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 Swimming fins? (gasps)

Valentine Thomas 43:31 Yeah, both fins, chopped off.

Joe Rogan 43:33 So, could have been his legs.

Valentine Thomas 43:34 It was... It could have been, it could have been a disaster.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Could have been his head.

Valentine Thomas 43:37 Could have been anything. And the funny thing is, he dove down because I was showing something in the bottom.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Well, uh, I've been on the lake before, o- on a boat.

Valentine Thomas 43:46 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 43:46 And I've seen a lot of people drinking. That's a weird one. When people are drinking on the lake-

Valentine Thomas 43:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:51 ... and you're like, "Hmm, I don't know if I want to be on this lake."

Valentine Thomas 43:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:55 You know? Do you ever remember that, uh, Trump rally?

Narrator 43:58 I thought that's what you do out there.

Joe Rogan 44:00 It is kind of what you do, but...

Narrator 44:02 I know you're supposed to be responsible, but...

Joe Rogan 44:04 I get a, I got a boat that goes fast.

Narrator 44:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:07 If you're hammered and you want to gun it, you, you're dead. Everyone's going to die. Like, it goes fast.

Valentine Thomas 44:12 Yeah, but also, you're wakeboarding, and then at some point, you let go of the rope, and then you fall down the board, and then you're middle of the lake.

Joe Rogan 44:17 And then you have to look out for other people. Yeah, because other people... Yeah, that's

Joe Rogan 44:20 dangerous.

Valentine Thomas 44:20 If Drunk Steven or his four girlfriends coming full speed at you, he's not going to see you.

Joe Rogan 44:24 Mm-hmm. There's accidents like that all the time. That's, that's sketchy.

Valentine Thomas 44:27 It must be.

Joe Rogan 44:27 I don't do that shit, though. You know what I like more than anything? Is jet skiing. Oh my god, it's so much fun.

Valentine Thomas 44:34 That's fun.

Joe Rogan 44:34 They're so fast.

Valentine Thomas 44:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:36 The jet skis they have now, they're so fast. I bought this house-

Valentine Thomas 44:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... and it had jet skis, like it came with jet skis, and we bought that jet skis from the people. And then, uh, my wife wanted to get better ones, so we got these. I'm like, "Why wouldn't you... These are fine." And then she got these new jet skis, and they're fucking preposterous. There's... The jet skis they make today are so goddamn fast. They're like 0 to 60 in a couple of seconds, like a car.

Valentine Thomas 44:59 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 44:59 Like (imitates jet ski engine) .

Valentine Thomas 45:02 They make those super cool new, like, fishing ones too.

Joe Rogan 45:04 But the good thing about jet skiing-

Valentine Thomas 45:05 So you have like a-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Oh, really?

Valentine Thomas 45:05 ... like a bait box and-

Joe Rogan 45:07 On a jet ski?

Valentine Thomas 45:07 ... like a cooler and... Yeah. Like, they all set up so you can just go out at sea and just go fish off that.

Joe Rogan 45:12 Ah, I don't see that.

Valentine Thomas 45:13 Pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 45:14 So it's like an attachment that you put on the end of your jet ski?

Valentine Thomas 45:16 I think so. I think that they made f- like, the like fishing jet skis.

Joe Rogan 45:19 The thing about the jet ski is, like, they're so maneuverable. It's so much more maneuverable-

Valentine Thomas 45:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:24 ... than a boat. Like, boats are awkward. Like, you, like, you're like going (imitates engine revving) backing up and moving.

Valentine Thomas 45:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:30 It's like you're subject to the waves. With a jet ski, you're just fucking... You're just doing whatever you want to do.

Valentine Thomas 45:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:35 You want to take a left, you take a left. It's like a motorcycle that's on the water. So if you fall, it's like no big deal. But you, you're going like... I mean, I don't... I guess it's not really motorcycle speeds, but they're pretty preposterous. Oh my god, that's wild.

Valentine Thomas 45:49 Pretty cool, eh?

Joe Rogan 45:50 So it's a fishing jet ski, intentionally versatile, ready for any adventure. So it's got a fishing seat. That's crazy. That's smart.

Valentine Thomas 46:00 And room for a cooler in the back and everything.

Joe Rogan 46:02 That is actually very smart. That's very smart. Fish Pro Sport.

Valentine Thomas 46:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:08 Fish... Let me see that. Scroll back up again. So there's different models. I wonder what they... What's different about them? Fish Pro...

Narrator 46:14 Yeah, that one has the-

Joe Rogan 46:14 Let me see the-

Narrator 46:15 Oh, that's like an extra seat on the back compared to even the-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Yeah, it's got a fishing seat.

Narrator 46:20 ... compared to these.

Valentine Thomas 46:20 That's so cool.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah. So it's like a boat, like a bass boat.

Narrator 46:24 Yeah. It probably just has something there.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Oh, so it pops up there. Yeah. G- go back up to that ph- film, that, uh, f- photo rather. Sorry. Yeah. So that's pretty dope. That is ideal, because then you could just... And it looks like it's got a little cooler in the back. So you could just pull up to a little area and start casting and then-

Valentine Thomas 46:42 Just go fishing.

Joe Rogan 46:42 ... zip off. Oh, that's great. That's, that's amazing.

Narrator 46:47 I like it, right?

Joe Rogan 46:48 Sea-Doos, huh?

Narrator 46:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:50 Yeah, they, they make dope shit. I think mine's a Sea-Doo.

Narrator 46:57 Oh, well.

Joe Rogan 46:57 I definitely use that. Oh, he's locked it up.

Valentine Thomas 46:59 (laughs)

Narrator 47:00 He's gonna fall off.

Joe Rogan 47:00 I think that's the, the ad.

Narrator 47:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:02 It's like saying-

Valentine Thomas 47:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:03 ... "You're gonna be silly. Jump in the water, you wacky fuck." Yeah, there's a lot of fishing out here in Texas, 'cause they grow big bass out here.

Valentine Thomas 47:11 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 47:12 Yeah, huge. Yeah. Big ass fat boys.

Valentine Thomas 47:16 I went up the coast mostly.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 47:18 I think the oil rigs are pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Oh, oil rigs are probably cool, right? Because the fish, the little fish are attracted to the oil rigs.

Valentine Thomas 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 So the big fish come around to look for the little fish.

Valentine Thomas 47:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:28 So, structure.

Valentine Thomas 47:29 There's like, like... One of the most hardcore spear fishing you can also do, which, you know, can also be qualified as, as a bit dumb, um, you basically jump off, uh, the, the back of a shrimper. So of course, there's a lot of shrimp, like, getting loose into the water, and then you have thousands of sharks (gasps) , circling around. And you have... Basically, you get in the water, you pass the sharks, and tunas are below getting the scraps-

Joe Rogan 47:57 What?

Valentine Thomas 47:57 ... from the shark.

Joe Rogan 47:57 What?

Valentine Thomas 47:57 It's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 47:58 Have you done that?

Valentine Thomas 48:00 I've done it once.

Joe Rogan 48:01 What?

Valentine Thomas 48:01 And I didn't feel too comfortable doing it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:03 The fuck, girl? Are you crazy?

Valentine Thomas 48:05 You can find some footage of that, for sure.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Yeah, find some footage of that. So the shrimp boats are catching the shrimp. And how are the sharks there? 'Cause they smell the shrimp?

Valentine Thomas 48:15 So basically, yeah, they just... They, they're eating the shrimp off the back of the boat.So, because like the nets, there are always some, like, falling off, falling off the boat-

Joe Rogan 48:22 Oh, okay.

Valentine Thomas 48:22 ... falling off the nets and stuff like that. So it's-

Joe Rogan 48:24 So the sharks are eating the scraps, and then they, they eat sloppy, so below them, the tunas-

Valentine Thomas 48:30 So there's tunas and sharks all together, but normally the tuna stays below the sharks.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Why don't those sharks just kill the tunas? Can, can they?

Valentine Thomas 48:37 I don't know, I get that's too busy.

Joe Rogan 48:39 Do sharks eat tunas? Or are the tunas too fast?

Valentine Thomas 48:39 Sharks eat pretty much anything in the water.

Joe Rogan 48:41 But, so, s- tunas are way faster than sharks, right? Aren't they?

Valentine Thomas 48:45 I'd say so. I'd- probably put my money on tuna.

Joe Rogan 48:46 So a tuna has to be slipping.

Valentine Thomas 48:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:49 A shark has to catch a tuna slipping.

Valentine Thomas 48:51 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:51 Right? Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 48:52 But also sharks are, you know, they're ... I like to compare them to dogs a lot. That maybe sounds weird, but it's ... They like an easy meal. That's why when they hear spearfishing vans popping in the water, normally they know what's happening, and sometimes they like to come around because they know a free, easy meal is gonna probably gonna be around soon.

Joe Rogan 49:11 You know, that's h- what happens with grizzlies.

Valentine Thomas 49:13 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 49:14 Grizzlies hear gunshots and they run towards the gunshot because they assume the gunshot means an animal, like a deer, an elk. So it's sometimes-

Valentine Thomas 49:21 Oh, true, I think the-

Joe Rogan 49:21 And I believe it's Montana, if you shoot a ... We'll find that in a moment here.

Narrator 49:27 These guys.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Let's see. They caught some tunas?

Narrator 49:30 Yeah, they're ... Right, I'll show you there. 100%.

Valentine Thomas 49:31 Now, I put like, um-

Joe Rogan 49:33 What's happening here?

Valentine Thomas 49:33 ... spearfishing, shrimp boats.

Narrator 49:35 Oh. Oh, it's ... Oh, okay, go spear. My bad.

Joe Rogan 49:36 Oh, what were you saying?

Narrator 49:37 Uh, this was just, these guys were behind a boat there.

Valentine Thomas 49:43 That's black fin, also.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Oh, so they're fishing behind this, a shrimp boat.

Narrator 49:48 They're like chasing boats, a bunch of videos of people just following boats.

Joe Rogan 49:49 Oh, so the ... Oh, that's smart.

Valentine Thomas 49:51 But you have to reel in really fast because once-

Joe Rogan 49:53 Right.

Valentine Thomas 49:53 ... the tuna's hooked, the shark is gonna go for it.

Joe Rogan 49:56 Oh, wow. Yeah. And then you have, uh, a half a tuna.

Narrator 50:00 Yeah, I gotta check the spear. Hold on one second.

Joe Rogan 50:02 Um, I think it's in Wyoming where you have to leave the elk. You have to give it up.

Valentine Thomas 50:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 50:09 Yeah, you can't even ... You're not even allowed to chase the grizzly off. I'm pretty sure it's Montana. Or excuse me, not Montana, Wyoming. Um, let's find that out in a moment when we look that down.

Valentine Thomas 50:17 How, how, how do you even chase a grizzly up anyway?

Joe Rogan 50:20 Good luck, bitch. (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 50:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:22 You ha-

Valentine Thomas 50:23 I'm trying. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:23 Yeah. Wow.

Narrator 50:25 Well, there's a Wyoming-

Valentine Thomas 50:25 For sure. Have you seen that crazy documentary about that guy who's, um ...

Joe Rogan 50:29 Grizzly Man.

Valentine Thomas 50:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:30 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 50:30 And he ended up being eaten-

Joe Rogan 50:32 That's one of my favorite-

Valentine Thomas 50:32 ... with his girlfriend. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:33 Yes. One of my favorite documentaries ever.

Valentine Thomas 50:34 That's crazy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:35 Have you seen it?

Valentine Thomas 50:35 Yeah, I've seen it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:36 Yeah. It's, it's an unintentional comedy. I think it's an on purpose comedy. I think, uh, Werner

Joe Rogan 50:41 Herzog is brilliant, and I think he ma- that's different than any of his other movies, where it's so funny that I gotta think that he made it funny on purpose.

Valentine Thomas 50:49 That it has to be.

Joe Rogan 50:50 It has to be. Um, Wyoming rules when it comes to a downed animal claimed by a grizzly, uh, fish and game rules, 'cause I believe t- I, I believe the idea is they're trying to discourage, um, grizzly encounters with people. Like, they don't want people to try to chase off a grizzly and get killed. So, I think-

Valentine Thomas 51:14 Probably smart.

Joe Rogan 51:15 Yeah, I think they just have decided, "Listen, you shoot at an elk and a grizzly claims it, that's not your elk anymore."

Valentine Thomas 51:23 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:23 I don't, I don't know if that means you get to shoot another one, which would be pretty cool, or if it means-

Valentine Thomas 51:28 It's a good point.

Joe Rogan 51:29 ... that's a wrap.

Valentine Thomas 51:30 Like, is, is, is your-

Joe Rogan 51:30 That's a wrap on your hunting season.

Valentine Thomas 51:30 ... is your tag forfeit by then or not?

Joe Rogan 51:32 Exactly.

Valentine Thomas 51:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:33 Because if like, if you have a big hunting trip and you shoot an elk and like, say, you're out there for a week and a half, you're in the back country and, you know, maybe this is like something you've been planning for for years. You budgeted, you put in for a tag, you know, you, you s- spent all your money on this, this is a big deal, and you're looking to have like a freezer full of meat for the winter. Boom! You drop this elk from 300 yards, and then by the time you get over there, you see a fucking grizzly coming down the hill towards your elk. You're like, "No!"

Valentine Thomas 52:03 (laughs) "Get the fuck off."

Joe Rogan 52:03 "You son of a bitch."

Valentine Thomas 52:05 (laughs) Goddamn.

Joe Rogan 52:05 'Cause that's what happens. They hear a gunshot and in some areas where they're habituated to the sound of gunshots equaling b- gut piles in particular.

Valentine Thomas 52:15 Uh, you talkin' ... Yeah, you're talking about gun because I'm like, "300 yards?" Like, how m- unless you pound it in your bow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:19 No, no, no, I'm talking a gun. Boom.

Valentine Thomas 52:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Guns, yeah. No, 300 yards.

Valentine Thomas 52:22 By the way, your friend, um, so Tyler set me up with my bow this week.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Tyler from C- Archer Country?

Valentine Thomas 52:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:28 Archery Country's the shit.

Valentine Thomas 52:29 So I'm a little tanger of 35 now.

Joe Rogan 52:31 If you're in Austin, Texas-

Valentine Thomas 52:31 I'm like, "Hehe."

Joe Rogan 52:32 35 pounds?

Valentine Thomas 52:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:33 Well, if you're in archery ... If you're in Austin, Texas, and you're looking for archery equipment, you wanna get set up, they're a fucking amazing shop, Archery Country. That's where I get all my shit done. They're the, they're ... It's so nice having like a real bow shop in town 'cause there wasn't one in, in-

Valentine Thomas 52:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:49 ... California.

Valentine Thomas 52:50 He knows everything.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Yeah, he's the shit.

Valentine Thomas 52:51 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 52:52 Tyler's awesome.

Valentine Thomas 52:52 He already me set up. I have a b- this big trip coming up. Um, I'm supposed to go to Alaska-

Joe Rogan 52:57 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 52:57 I think next October. I mean-

Joe Rogan 52:59 What are you doing in Alaska?

Valentine Thomas 53:00 I'm supposed to go bowhunting with, uh, Donnie Vincent actually.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Oh. Do you went ... Didn't you go somewhere other hunting with him?

Valentine Thomas 53:08 No. So basically that's gonna be that trip.

Joe Rogan 53:10 Oh, so it hasn't h-

Valentine Thomas 53:10 COVID kind of pushed everything up-

Joe Rogan 53:12 Oh, I see, I see.

Valentine Thomas 53:12 ... and it's, it's ... I mean, my chances of shooting an elk with my bow, eh, not that great.

Joe Rogan 53:17 When is this supposed to happen? When is this supposed to happen?

Valentine Thomas 53:19 October.

Joe Rogan 53:20 October.

Valentine Thomas 53:20 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:20 Okay. You don't ... You have time. Okay, so here we are. Um-

Valentine Thomas 53:24 Yeah, what do I do?

Joe Rogan 53:25 Um, well, first of all, let me see your guns. Pull, pull the gun, guns out. Okay, we're gonna have to work on that.

Valentine Thomas 53:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:30 'Cause 35 pounds is not enough. It's just not enough. I mean, Ted Nugent, Shemane Nugent-

Valentine Thomas 53:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:35 ... would probably argue with me. She showed me a zebra she shot with a 35-pound bow. I'm like, "Okay."

Valentine Thomas 53:39 Well, I could pull out about 45. That's like my-

Joe Rogan 53:42 For now, for now. We gotta get you on steroids.

Valentine Thomas 53:44 Yeah, for now.

Joe Rogan 53:44 We're gonna get you on steroids. And, uh-

Valentine Thomas 53:46 So no hot yoga anymore, but steroids instead. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:48 Yeah, steroids and, and weights. And, uh, you're gonna wrestle Gordon Ryan every day.

Valentine Thomas 53:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:54 We need to get you strong, like it's pulling motion. We need to get your-

Valentine Thomas 53:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:57 And then it's also a stability motion for the front arm, so you need like shoulder ... You know what's really good? Have you ever done like clubs, club bells? You ever done those?You know what those are?

Valentine Thomas 54:07 I don't even know what those

Valentine Thomas 54:08 are.

Joe Rogan 54:08 It's like a, um ... It looks like a bowling pin almost, but it's made outta iron. And Onnit's, we sell them at Onnit. They're awesome. And what it is, is a really good exercise for shoulder stability and strength. And what you do is like ... I do a bunch of exercises with them, but one of them that I really like for archery is called shield casting. So I'll be... Um, okay. It's like th- it's perfect. So, if this was ... I actually have some out here. I'll show them. So if this was this iron thing, you go around the shoulder like that, and then put it in front of you. And around like that-

Valentine Thomas 54:38 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:38 ... and put it in front of you. So the whole idea is like you're strengthening all these muscles in your shoulder, and then you're also strengthening your ability to hold it out with this.

Valentine Thomas 54:46 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:46 And there's a bunch of other exercises I do with them, a bunch of different kinds of exercises. I, I do them where ... So there you go. You see them there. There's, uh, that's my boy Jon Wolf right there, the one with the arms sticking straight out.

Valentine Thomas 54:57 Oh, cool.

Joe Rogan 54:57 That's my buddy. He's actually, uh, a guy I train with-

Valentine Thomas 54:59 Kind of made between a bowling pin-

Joe Rogan 55:00 ... all the time.

Valentine Thomas 55:00 ... and a baseball bat.

Joe Rogan 55:02 Yes. Very similar. And Jon is a, he's just an, an awesome trainer all around. And he's the head trainer over at Onnit. And he has a bunch of different workout programs that he's devised. Onnit has a thing called, uh, Onnit 6, and it's all these, uh, different workouts; body weight workouts, kettlebell workouts, all kinds of stuff that you can do at home that they devised during COVID to help people, uh, you know, if they couldn't get to a gym. You could just buy a couple of pieces of equipment, like a steel club, and they'll set you through all these different, uh, exercises and workouts. But clubs are really good for bows. I really like it, and so does my friend John Dudley. We'll have to get him to, to help you. That would be great for both of you guys.

Valentine Thomas 55:42 Yeah. I mean, I travel so much, it's so hard to get consistency when it comes to training because you know you want to always train in the same place and have the same set, so it's-

Joe Rogan 55:49 Can you make it out to Iowa? Can you make it to Iowa?

Valentine Thomas 55:52 Probably could go anywhere.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Okay. I'll set you up.

Valentine Thomas 55:53 As long as I bring my laptop. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:54 John Dudley is, like, legitimately the best archery coach in the world.

Valentine Thomas 55:58 Oh, fun.

Joe Rogan 55:58 Yeah. He's m- he's one of my best friends. We'll send you out to him.

Valentine Thomas 56:01 Yeah. That'd be great.

Joe Rogan 56:03 'Cause he'll, he'll coach you, he'll show you how to do it. He does it all the time. Like, this is literally what he does. And he's, uh, you know, he's also, um, one of the guys that, uh, he's like a top pro at PSE, which is a bow company, so they'll set, they'll set you up. That's the bow I use.

Valentine Thomas 56:17 Awesome.

Joe Rogan 56:17 But th- there are ... What kind of bow do you have?

Valentine Thomas 56:19 I got a Hoyt equip.

Joe Rogan 56:23 Hoyt. Those are great.

Valentine Thomas 56:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Yeah. Hoyt's awesome. They're a- they're all awesome. Like when you get to like Matthews, Hoyt, PSE. There's like, there's a ... L-Eppber makes awesome bows. There's like-

Valentine Thomas 56:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:33 There's a, there's a level of bow, when you get to a certain le- a, a certain level, there's just, they're all really good.

Valentine Thomas 56:39 I just want to be able to try it and work on my form, and try to like, you know, just become-

Joe Rogan 56:43 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 56:43 ... better at it. That's, that's ...

Joe Rogan 56:44 You gotta get stronger, though. You gotta pump those-

Valentine Thomas 56:47 I do.

Joe Rogan 56:47 You gotta pump those guns up, man. I know you're doing jujitsu-

Valentine Thomas 56:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:50 ... 'cause I saw on your Instagram when Georges came to town, and, uh, that was fun, right? Like we all went out and had our-

Valentine Thomas 56:55 That was a great night.

Joe Rogan 56:56 ... our cheeseburgers. It was really fun.

Valentine Thomas 56:57 It was really fun. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:57 And I was like, "Oh, these Canadians can all talk to each other in their foreign tongue now." And you and Georges can speak the Parlez-vous Francais.

Valentine Thomas 57:03 We speak very differently though. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:04 Yes. You, you guys speak French. But then I saw that you went and trained with, um, with uh, Gordon, and Gordon's girlfriend. And you were, you were-

Valentine Thomas 57:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:14 ... at the gy- How was

Joe Rogan 57:15 that?

Valentine Thomas 57:15 It was really good. So, I've, I've started my ... So I do MMA stuff on Tuesday, and then grappling on Thursday.

Joe Rogan 57:23 Wow.

Valentine Thomas 57:23 It really came up from the fact that, you know, I'm a girl, I'm traveling by myself, so I just really wanted to have kind of a base of when it comes to self-defense type of stuff. So it's, it's ... Funny story, I got knocked out by a 14-year-old during my class, but we can talk about that another day.

Joe Rogan 57:35 A 14-year-old girl knocked you out?

Valentine Thomas 57:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Whoa.

Valentine Thomas 57:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:39 How cold?

Valentine Thomas 57:40 Af- uh, I fell on the floor. I was standing up and I fell.

Joe Rogan 57:43 What'd she hit you with?

Valentine Thomas 57:45 So, I mean, sh- she had gloves on. The thing is, it was, it was like, it was, it was like her first or second class or something. And she-

Joe Rogan 57:52 Whoa, sign that girl up.

Valentine Thomas 57:52 I had headgear on and she didn't, so I was only allowed to hit her in the body and, and my coach kept telling her like, like you know, "Just use maybe like 10 to 15% of your strength." And she keeps hitting me as hard as she could in the face. And I was like, you know like, "Take it easy." Like, you know, "We're here to have fun." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:09 Mm.

Valentine Thomas 58:09 And then it's, I was not looking and she just hit me in the side, in the temple as hard as she could. And I fell on the ground and my coach looked at me and he was like, "Please don't do this. Please just like, just smile and get up." (laughs) And I looked at him, I was like, "Fine."

Joe Rogan 58:25 Please don't do this, meaning don't be that cold.

Valentine Thomas 58:26 He knew. He, he, he saw, he saw my face. He was like ... He was like, "Just be nice." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:32 Were you angry?

Valentine Thomas 58:33 I was very angry.

Joe Rogan 58:34 Did you talk to the 14-year-old?

Valentine Thomas 58:36 I was-

Joe Rogan 58:36 Did she apologize?

Valentine Thomas 58:37 She didn't.

Joe Rogan 58:38 She didn't apologize?

Valentine Thomas 58:40 No. It's, I mean, she just felt a little bit ... I mean, ki- she kinda did, but she was like, "Oh, sorry." But then we kept sparring and she just kept like hitting as hard-

Joe Rogan 58:48 You kept sparring?

Valentine Thomas 58:48 ... as I hit her.

Joe Rogan 58:48 After she dropped you, you kept sparring?

Valentine Thomas 58:50 I mean, a little bit. Like, I took it easy after. Like the coach was like, told her like, "Look, like go very freaking easy from now on." And it was ...

Joe Rogan 58:57 You're not supposed to spar after you get hit like that.

Valentine Thomas 59:00 It was-

Joe Rogan 59:01 What kind of coach do you have?

Valentine Thomas 59:01 It was like ... I mean, it was, it was ... Uh, he's nice. He's a really nice guy.

Joe Rogan 59:03 Yeah. That's nice.

Valentine Thomas 59:04 He's a really nice guy.

Joe Rogan 59:04 Listen, when you get hit in the head and you fall down and you're like, like almost out cold, you might have a concussion. That should be the end of the training session.

Valentine Thomas 59:11 Oh, she just did like foot, like, kicks and stuff after, so it wasn't that bad.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Oh. Kicking in the head.

Valentine Thomas 59:15 It was like, not to my head. To my hip. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:17 Yeah, but still. It's like-

Valentine Thomas 59:18 My head was off limit after.

Joe Rogan 59:18 You don't know what's going ... Oh, you're still sparring though. Y- y- like, you don't know what's going on after you get hit in the head like that. 'Cause I've seen it so many times where guys get dropped and then they want to go back and spar. And y- you gotta go, "Hey, this is over." Like, "You can't do this anymore." And most of the time, it's an accident. Most of the time, it's like sometimes ...... like, a guy will do some ... Like, you're trying to (slaps hands) touch people. You're not trying to hit them hard.

Valentine Thomas 59:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:42 But sometimes a guy will, like, rush forward right when you're doing something and you just collide and y- y- you get hit. It happens. Even g- like, there's a video that I just saw the other day of Donald Cerrone accidentally knocking this guy out, clearly accidentally. He did not hit him full blast. He just, he set up a punch and threw a kick, and the kid turned towards the kick and whack.

Valentine Thomas 1:00:04 Well, I think also when, when you're starting, I think it's, you know, bit of instinctual to just try to hit as hard as you can.

Joe Rogan 1:00:10 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:00:10 Not like it's, you know, just wanna ... Not prove yourself a little bit, but, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 You know the solution to that, though, is to do drills first.

Valentine Thomas 1:00:17 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Like, uh, my friend Duane Ludwig, he, uh, he teaches at Bang Muay Thai, which is like ... Duane is, uh, he was a, a world-class kickboxer, awesome MMA fighter. He held the record at one point in time for the fastest knockout in the UFC. But what he really excels at, maybe even more than fighting, which he was really awesome at fighting, but he's a fantastic coach. And one of the things he's done is he's broken down his system. All of his martial arts techniques, he's got, like, written in books. He's got it down to ... Like, I've never seen anybody more, more thorough. And he's in, uh, Arvada, Co- Colorado, I believe, outside of Denver. And, uh, what Duane does is before ... You don't just start sparring with Duane. With Duane, everybody is working on combinations. Like, you would throw, like, one, two, left hook to the body, right low kick. And then my job would be to block, block, step, check, and then we would do it again. And y- you would do it back and forth.

Valentine Thomas 1:01:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 So, you would get accustomed to the idea of hitting each other, and then he would make it m- really clear that you guys are working together. You're not trying to hurt each other, you're just touching each other. So, you get used to touching each other, just touching and sparring, just-

Valentine Thomas 1:01:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... tap, tap, tap in, in these drills, and then you move to sparring. So you have the same sort of mentality of just touching each other, and then that's how you get good. That's how you get good. And then when it comes to hitting hard, you hit the pads or you hit a heavy bag. That's when you-

Valentine Thomas 1:01:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:45 But it's ... Look, whe- when I was coming up, everybody hit everybody hard. Uh, no one n- d- r- exercised any restraint. When we sparred, there were wars.

Valentine Thomas 1:01:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 It was terrifying. It was so bad. It's so ... That was the early days of MMA too. If you go back to, like, the early days of the UFC, all those fighters would have gym wars, and sometimes they would ruin their careers in the gym 'cause they would get knocked out so often.

Valentine Thomas 1:02:10 Geez.

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 Everyone would get knocked out all the time.

Valentine Thomas 1:02:12 But I think that's what's really, really cool about, like, this sport that is even, like, anything that's MMA-related or, or jujitsu, it's ... For me, it really ... I got into it thinking it was just about defending myself and just hitting something and getting some pressure release and stuff like that. Then it was ... It's not at all. It's very cool. I've ... Especially from jujitsu, I really enjoy the whole mental aspect of it, of trying to-

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 Hmm.

Valentine Thomas 1:02:34 ... find what your next move's gonna be and that-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Yes.

Valentine Thomas 1:02:36 ... type of stuff, so it's ... Awesome.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Jujitsu's very intellectually challenging.

Valentine Thomas 1:02:41 It is, 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 And there are so m- Like, I have a whole thing on my phone that I have saved up of all these different, uh, moves that I've, uh, seen guys do that I've never do- that I've never seen anybody do before. Like, I have, like, a whole folder of these moves where I'll review them. I'm like, "How the fuck is he doing that?" And I'll have to watch it, like, three, four times the way this person's setting up, like, an omoplata to the back control. And then I'm like, "Okay, is that real?" And then I'll have to send it to, I'll send it to, like, Eddie Bravo and I'll say, "Hey, is this legit?" And he'll go, "That looks pretty legit." And then he'll, like, try it or he'll go, "Uh, that's not legit because of this." And it's like there's so many techniques. It's almost like language. Like-

Valentine Thomas 1:03:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 ... there's so many words you can use. There's so many phrases you can say. And there's so many sort of attacks you can have in jujitsu. It's so different than any other martial art in that regard 'cause there's, like, an infinite number of possibilities that the human body can kind of engage in these entanglements with.

Valentine Thomas 1:03:41 For sure. And I mean, it was f- ... When I went, joined that class, it was just like, it was professional training.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 1:03:47 And so it was obviously ridiculously out of my league.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 You mean Gordon's class?

Valentine Thomas 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:03:51 It was-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the top of the food chain.

Valentine Thomas 1:03:53 And she was really, the girl who was training with me was really telling me, like, "Okay, so how do you get out of this?" And she's like, "There's, like, thousands of ways." But now we're only gonna work about, like, this one or this one.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Mm-hmm.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:02 And it's just ...

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:05 It was, it was, it was nice.

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Exciting.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:06 It was cool to see really, really good people just training together, and it's-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:11 ... really cool.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 It's very inspiring, right?

Valentine Thomas 1:04:12 I was ... It was really nice. And even to see, uh, uh, Georges St-Pierre training and it was, was ... I was like, "Oh, it's so nice to see you-"

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 1:04:19 "... training in Austin, Texas." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Isn't that funny? Like, you doing, uh, a mocking and French accent is hilarious. That is hilarious. He's down here. There you guys are. John Danaher, that guy's the master. That guy in the middle, that might be the best-

Valentine Thomas 1:04:33 He's so great.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 ... jujitsu coach on the planet Earth. He's a fucking genius. You know his whole story?

Valentine Thomas 1:04:38 I do not.

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 He was a philosophy professor at Columbia.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 He was a PhD in philosophy.

Valentine Thomas 1:04:44 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Got obsessed with jujitsu. Quit everything. Was living at Renzo Gracie's academy in New York City, was sleeping on the mats, like literally would teach all day and take a nap in between class. You'd see John Danaher in the corner over there taking a nap, then he'd get up and teach, teach privates, teach classes. And he's, like, without a doubt if not the most respected, one of the mo- I think he's the most respected jujitsu coach in the world. So, having him move to Austin is gigantic for all of us. Like, everybody's very, very excited about that.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:16 Oh, so he moved here recently?

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Yeah, I talked him into it.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:19 Oh, oh, good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 (laughs) That's my move. Talk people into moving to Austin.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:24 Ah, it was great. It w- it was such a humbling experience just to see those great people-

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:27 ... just training together. I was trying to-

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 Can you imagine any other sport?

Valentine Thomas 1:05:31 ... soak it in as much as I could. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Imagine any- imagine if you can go to a place and watch Michael Jordan train basketball.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:36 Yeah, would be crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Right?

Valentine Thomas 1:05:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 Well, that's what Georges St-Pierre is like.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 I mean, Georges St-Pierre is one of the greatest of all time. You would never know that talking to him though-... he's so humble.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:45 He is. He's a really, really nice guy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 He's so nice.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:48 He's very loved in Quebec. He's very-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Oh.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:50 ... very, very loved-

Joe Rogan 1:05:50 Of course.

Valentine Thomas 1:05:51 ... in Quebec.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Of course. You know, uh, I was in, um, the UFC in, uh, Rogers Centre. I don't even know what they called it in Rogers Centre then. I forget what it was called. But it was 60,000 people.

Valentine Thomas 1:06:03 Bell Centre then.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Was it the Bell Centre?

Valentine Thomas 1:06:05 Probably.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 I think George fought ... I think he fought Josh Koscheck. I forget who he fought, but it was bananas.

Valentine Thomas 1:06:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 When you see 60,000 people. When George walked to the octagon, the, the roar that they got when they introduced George's name, it was fucking crazy. I mean, cr- like, to this day, like I took my earphones off (taps table) and I looked around. I was like-

Valentine Thomas 1:06:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 ... "Holy shit." Sometimes I do that, like I'll take my, my earphones off, like, when someone's getting a ... like cheering. Like this weekend I did it for Brandon Moreno, 'cause Brandon Moreno's from Mexico, from Tijuana. And, uh, we were in Southern California, so it's like a couple of hour drive, and they all came up to see him. So, the weigh-ins on Friday were just filled with Mexican flags. And then Saturday night, Brandon goes out to the octagon and when, when he walked into that octagon, the, the roar was so loud, like I g- I don't hear it perfect with my headphones on 'cause the headphones is just p- to pick up voices. So, I hear a little bit of it ambient.

Valentine Thomas 1:07:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 But I don't ... So I had to take it off. So I took my headphones off, I was like, "Holy shit."

Valentine Thomas 1:07:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:16 It was just, "Yeah."

Valentine Thomas 1:07:22 I mean, is this-

Joe Rogan 1:07:22 Do you ... Yeah, is, is that George?

Narrator 1:07:23 Yes. He fought Matt Serra.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Okay, that's 2008.

Valentine Thomas 1:07:25 2008?

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 Oh. Oh, no, that's a different one. That's in Montreal. Um, the G- ro- Rogers Centre-

Valentine Thomas 1:07:29 Oh, I thought you meant Montreal earlier. Sorry.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 No, no, Rogers Centre was in Toronto. Uh-

Valentine Thomas 1:07:32 But it must be a crazy feeling. Is it something that you get also when you get on stage, like, you know, uh, I went to see you in Tampa in that gigantic-

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 Arena.

Valentine Thomas 1:07:40 ... arena.

Joe Rogan 1:07:40 Yeah.

Valentine Thomas 1:07:40 And it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:07:41 (sighs) It's weird.

Valentine Thomas 1:07:43 It must be just insane to be cheered on by that many people.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 (smacks lips) Yeah, I try to block it out. (laughs)

Valentine Thomas 1:07:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 I try to block it out. It's too weird.

Narrator 1:07:52 First, fighting out of the blue corner, the first-

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 Yeah.

Narrator 1:07:55 ... wrestler out of a-

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 That was the revenge fight.

Narrator 1:07:57 ... holdup of George Serra.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 That was when George got his revenge against Matt Serra.

Narrator 1:08:01 He holds up his title against-

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Because, uh, Matt Serra had knocked him out in probably the greatest upset of all time at that moment, at least.

Narrator 1:08:09 ... George Serra. Three! Two! One! (crowd cheering)

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Up until Julianna Pena just knocked out Amanda Nunes or strangled Amanda Nunes, I think that this was the biggest upset of all time, the first fight between them.

Narrator 1:08:18 (crowd cheering) George! Yeah!

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 So, this was George getting his revenge in Montreal.

Narrator 1:08:24 (crowd cheering) George! Yeah!

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 And he just took Matt Serra very lightly for the first fight, didn't train hard enough, thought he was just gonna kick his ass. And then, uh, Matt Serra clipped him and hurt him and wound up stopping him.

Valentine Thomas 1:08:36 So, but is this the thing about UFC that I didn't know? Like, I've, I've, I've never watched UFC in my entire life, and I started kind of watching it a little bit recently. And, uh, what I got into was the fact that there's always a weird story behind. There's always, like, rivalry and, like-

Joe Rogan 1:08:51 Sure.

Valentine Thomas 1:08:51 ... things happening and stories.

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 Sure.

Valentine Thomas 1:08:52 And it's way more dramatic (laughs) than I thought it would be.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Yeah. Well, there's a lot of drama.

Valentine Thomas 1:08:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 You know, like when guys are beating the shit out of each other, there's a lot of drama. You know, and-

Valentine Thomas 1:09:00 That ... Now it all makes sense.

Joe Rogan 1:09:02 Also, the UFC's really good at, like, sort of marketing this story behind these fighters and, like, what makes it exciting, what their motivation is and, you know, that kind of stuff.

Valentine Thomas 1:09:12 It's cr- I mean, every time I watch it, I cannot stop myself being like, "I should train and try this shit."

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 Really? You want to fight?

Valentine Thomas 1:09:18 I mean, I, I, I don't want to get-

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 You better get to it now.

Valentine Thomas 1:09:20 ... how do I get my ... Like, I ... Is it realistic? Probably not, but it's ... I, I don't know. I don't know why I get this fired up every time I watch it. I'm like ... But every time I see something cool and new, I'm like, "I want to try this. I want to be as best as I can at it." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:31 Well, one thing you could do for sure is jujitsu. I would recommend you doing that before I would recommend you fighting in MMA.

Valentine Thomas 1:09:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 You don't want to mess your face up, too.

Valentine Thomas 1:09:41 Yeah. No, probably not.

Joe Rogan 1:09:41 You got a very nice face.

Valentine Thomas 1:09:42 (laughs) Thanks.

Joe Rogan 1:09:42 I would take ... I would think