Joe Rogan Experience #1770 - Valentine Thomas

1. 0:00 – 0:30

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Cheers.

   4. VTValentine Thomas0:13

      Cheers.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Hey. Must be Canadian week, two Canadians in a row.

   6. VTValentine Thomas0:17

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Salud, my friend.

   8. VTValentine Thomas0:19

      Who was the other one? Oh, yeah. The guy that was on yesterday.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Jordan Peterson.

   10. VTValentine Thomas0:21

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       Yeah, Jordan was on yesterday. Um, your country's in revolt. Do you know about this? Well, uh, show this video. Look at this video that I sent Jamie.

   12. NANarrator0:29

       This is huge.

2. 0:30 – 7:50

   Vaccine Convoy

   1. NANarrator0:30

      Look at they go forever. This is by Action Centre outside of Edmonton heading into Calgary, January 23rd, 2022. 1000 trucks, 1000 miles-

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:37

      It's a giant convoy of trucks that's apparently some insane amount of people, like 50,000 trucks that are headed to Ottawa to protest the vaccine mandates by Trudeau. (protestors chanting)

   3. NANarrator0:52

      Whoo!

   4. VTValentine Thomas0:55

      And, and they're all coming from Canada because they're not allowed to come in.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      They're all in Canada. They're all in Canada.

   6. VTValentine Thomas0:59

      That's crazy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:59

      It's all Canadian truckers. Because apparently they're, they're all being mandated that they have to get vaccinated, and they're like, "Hey, we don't even contact anybody. We're in our truck."

   8. VTValentine Thomas1:07

      Yeah, that's true.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:08

      Like, "We, we just drive."

   10. VTValentine Thomas1:10

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       And, you know. Okay, there's another one that I sent Jamie.

   12. VTValentine Thomas1:13

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Watch this one. This girl is, like, uh, at a bar, and she, uh, I don't know if she's a stripper or what, but this is this guy's birthday. Don't you hear it?

   14. NANarrator1:22

       (hip hop music)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       Where's the volume? Here we go. So watch this.

   16. NANarrator1:26

       (hip hop music) (crowd yelling)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Sh- she pours water on him, and then check this out.

   18. NANarrator1:31

       (hip hop music) (crowd yelling) (crowd clapping)

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       All fun and games, right? It's all fun, right?

   20. VTValentine Thomas1:38

       I hope he feeling is getting as bad as her.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       She tases him.

   22. NANarrator1:42

       (hip hop music) (crowd yelling)

   23. NANarrator1:44

       Oh, my god. Get it off.

   24. NANarrator1:46

       Not good.

   25. VTValentine Thomas1:49

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Yeah.

   27. VTValentine Thomas1:49

       Okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Fucking tased him and lit him on fire.

   29. NANarrator1:52

       I saw that video today, Joe.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       You saw it too?
3. 7:50 – 8:50

   Shark Bite

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:50

   2. VTValentine Thomas7:50

      I mean, d- the ocean has been around for forever, so I mean, marine animal have way more time to evolve also, so it's, it's... Every time I catch a fish, I always spend time looking at it because it's, uh, d- design behind any type of seafood is just mind-blowing.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:06

      What'd you just show us, Jamie?

   4. NANarrator8:07

      I said it was, uh (laughs) , they're testing a, um, material getting bit by a shark bite.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:12

      Let me see it.

   6. NANarrator8:13

      You can't-

   7. VTValentine Thomas8:13

      Did it work?

   8. NANarrator8:14

      You can't tell, so.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:15

      Oh. Well, let's see.

   10. NANarrator8:15

       It just looks like it's getting eaten.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:16

       So it's like a brick of the material?

   12. NANarrator8:18

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:18

       Oh, okay. So they got it on a board just to see if it cuts through.

   14. NANarrator8:21

       And I guess it didn't work.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Why did the shark bite it? It's probably meat inside of it or something.

   16. VTValentine Thomas8:24

       Yeah, they probably put like, tuna inside of it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       They're so, so creepy. Such a fucking creepy animal.

   18. VTValentine Thomas8:31

       I mean, even if you... Uh, it's better than getting your arm ripped off, but-

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:34

       Yeah.

   20. VTValentine Thomas8:34

       ... they're definitely gonna break it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       Yeah. But, you know, if it breaks it, wouldn't that be f-

   22. VTValentine Thomas8:41

       It's much better.

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       That's, yeah, it's... Y- you're not gonna get massive tissue loss, you know? You have to get to the-

   24. VTValentine Thomas8:45

       Yeah, for sure.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       ... hospital pretty quick. Plus, the shark will probably be frustrated and swim away, hopefully.

4. 8:50 – 11:20

   Seal

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:50

   2. VTValentine Thomas8:50

      I mean, it's, it's... Most shark attack is very often, u- unless it's rare occasion, it's, you know, they take one bite and like, "Bleh. I don't really like that," and they just swim away.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:59

      Well- well, aren't we delicious? Why don't-

   4. VTValentine Thomas9:00

      Apparently not. Apparently we taste like shit. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:02

      That's so weird 'cause animals like us.

   6. NANarrator9:05

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:05

      I wonder why sharks don't like us.

   8. VTValentine Thomas9:07

      I'm not sure. We're not fishy enough.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:08

      'Cause they love seals. Maybe seals are fucking delicious.

   10. VTValentine Thomas9:11

       Maybe. Oh, I tried it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Maybe that's the thing. Yeah? You tried seal?

   12. VTValentine Thomas9:14

       I tried it. It's, um... Seal is actually very invasive in Canada. It's been for a lot of years, um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:20

       Really?

   14. VTValentine Thomas9:21

       The normal population that it should be should be around, like, 400 to 500,000, and now it is above four millions.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Four million?

   16. VTValentine Thomas9:30

       So it's a, creates a lot of issues around fish stocks, lobsters, things like that, so it's a, creates a, yeah, a lot of problems. So basically, there's different people who use s-... You can eat it. You can wear it. It's-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       You can wear seals?

   18. VTValentine Thomas9:43

       I, I have f- seal boots.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       Oh, you shouldn't tell people that on this podcast. They're gonna come for you.

   20. VTValentine Thomas9:48

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       Don't you think, Jamie?

   22. VTValentine Thomas9:49

       Well-

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       Seals are cute.

   24. VTValentine Thomas9:51

       I mean, uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       The problem with seals is like, they, they hit a ball with their nose. They're cute.

   26. VTValentine Thomas9:53

       Well, it's... Unless you experience minus 40 weather, like, you can try with your-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Minus 40 Celsius?

   28. VTValentine Thomas10:01

       ... H&M boot. It's the same in Fahrenheit.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       Oh, that's right. That's, that's the number where it becomes the same.

   30. VTValentine Thomas10:06

       It is.
5. 11:20 – 14:05

   Hunting Boots

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:20

      they're rated at?

   2. VTValentine Thomas11:20

      Oh, it's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:21

      Really?

   4. VTValentine Thomas11:21

      ... I've, I've been in -57 degrees Celsius in those, and I, I was not feeling the cold-

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:28

      Why are they so-

   6. VTValentine Thomas11:28

      ... in the slightest.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:29

      Why are they so good? Like...

   8. NANarrator11:30

      They need to. They make wetsuits.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:31

      They make wetsuits.

   10. VTValentine Thomas11:31

       I mean, because they, they, they live in freezing cold waters, so I'm, I'm guessing that the skin and the fur is actually really re- insulating and pretty made for...

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       So that would be better, like, even if you were, like, hiking in the mountains than, like, an insulated boot, wouldn't it?

   12. VTValentine Thomas11:47

       For sure. If I'm going, or when I'm going hunting in Alaska, I'm wearing that.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       Really?

   14. VTValentine Thomas11:52

       Oh, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:53

       Are they built for hunting? Like, can, can you, like, sidehill with 'em? Do they have good stability?

   16. VTValentine Thomas11:59

       I mean, they're pretty good. They have a pretty good gripping type of, uh, type of sole.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       Yeah?

   18. VTValentine Thomas12:04

       And-... the, the, the fur is also waterproof.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       Have you ever seen, like, what a technical hunting boot looks like?

   20. VTValentine Thomas12:11

       No. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       They, um, they make 'em in, like, a... A good company's Crispi. Pull up a Crispi, C-R-I-S-P-I. That's a good, or Schnes. That's another good one, S-C-H-N-E-S. Schnes makes an excellent hunting boot. And they make these boots, they design 'em to be, like, lightweight, but they also like... That's the, the Mid GTX. I have a pair of those, they're really good. But they make 'em to be lightweight, but they also have the ability to, uh, side heel. So, they're rigid on the sides and then they make 'em in like... Click on that one right there that you had right there.

   22. VTValentine Thomas12:48

       Oh, very nice.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       And then they make 'em in ways where, um, you know, they have varying levels of insulation. But I wonder if there... If you could wear it like that right there, that's like a serious hunting boot right there.

   24. VTValentine Thomas13:02

       That's very cool. My friends made fun of me because I was kind of wearing sneakers type of thing to go hunting, because I didn't have anything else.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Were you... You were in Texas, though?

   26. VTValentine Thomas13:10

       No, I was in Alabama.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:12

       Alabama?

   28. VTValentine Thomas13:13

       Yeah. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Was it warm?

   30. VTValentine Thomas13:14

       No, it was 30 degrees. It was freezing.
6. 14:05 – 16:04

   Marine Protected Areas

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:05

      a win-win.

   2. VTValentine Thomas14:05

      Well, actually that, s- s- that study was retracted in October.

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:10

      Damn it, Jordan, you fucked up.

   4. VTValentine Thomas14:12

      (laughs) Uh, sorry, Jordan. Um, it's... So, basically, it's what they call, uh, MPAs, which is, uh, marine protected areas.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:19

      Right.

   6. VTValentine Thomas14:20

      And there was these studies who came to the conclusion of the fact that if you increase by something like, like 4 or 5% the amount of marine protected areas, you would increase the fish stock by 20%. And the story was retracted because the doctor who was in charge of the study, apparently the study, the result was, was, uh... Or other study was depending on the result of this one, and it was a bunch of stuff that was just, like, kind of not okay at all. And, like, the other guy who co-authored the paper with her was her brother-in-law, so she broke a bunch of rules when it comes to, to ethic and kind of scientist-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:54

      Who... The guy who wrote the paper was her brother-in-law?

   8. VTValentine Thomas14:56

      Yeah, there was, like, some, some weird things going on.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:58

      Oh.

   10. VTValentine Thomas14:58

       And so the story... The, the paper was retracted.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:01

       Oh.

   12. VTValentine Thomas15:01

       The paper being retracted in the scientific industry is pretty, pretty intense. Um-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:06

       Hmm, here it is, retraction of flawed MPA study implicates larger problems in MPA science. Goddamn it, Jordan.

   14. VTValentine Thomas15:13

       So, they not only, they not only found that out, but they also found it out that basically she had vested interest in pol- in governmental policies.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:22

       Oh.

   16. VTValentine Thomas15:23

       So, there was also... There was a political meddling into all of this, so-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Right. So, she had a bias-

   18. VTValentine Thomas15:29

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       ... in what she was trying to achieve from that study.

   20. VTValentine Thomas15:31

       So, this is, this is also, also a pretty good website. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm partnered with them, and they're, uh, University of Washington, and they talk about a lot of sustainable seafood and things like that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       You partner with them?

   22. VTValentine Thomas15:41

       Yeah, we just, uh, built up a blood- a blog, basically, together to talk about-

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Nice.

   24. VTValentine Thomas15:45

       ... sustainable seafood. You know, like, people interested into seafood, which is about six people in the world, but, you know, we're a quite little community. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:52

       (laughs) People are interested in seafood. A lot of people are interested in seafood. So, what is, uh, what's the best way to keep, uh, ocean fish and ocean wildlife sustainable?

7. 16:04 – 19:00

   Sustainable Seafood

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:04

   2. VTValentine Thomas16:04

      It's, it's such a complex topic. It's very, very complicated, because there's a lot of assets to it, right? But it's this... The thing that I tell people is, "Tell me what you believe in, and I'll tell you what you eat."

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:15

      Mm-hmm.

   4. VTValentine Thomas16:15

      Because there's not one answer, you know. You can think about protecting the ocean, you can think about carbon footprint, you can think about modern slavery, you can think about-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      Modern slavery?

   6. VTValentine Thomas16:25

      Oh, there's a lot of people who works on boats in different countries that are barely paid.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:30

      Really?

   8. VTValentine Thomas16:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:30

      So, if you're buying fish, you might be buying fish that was caught by slaves?

   10. VTValentine Thomas16:35

       Yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Ugh.

   12. VTValentine Thomas16:35

       So, there was a big documentary called Fish... Okay. So, just to clarify on that point though, is the Seaspiracy talk about that a lot, but-

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Okay, let's... You have a French accent, and sometimes when you talk-

   14. VTValentine Thomas16:48

       I do, sorry. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       ... I... It's, it's fine. English is your second language.

   16. VTValentine Thomas16:50

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       I only have one. You're better than me. But when you say Seaspiracy, nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about.

   18. VTValentine Thomas16:56

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       You meant Seaspiracy. It's a film.

   20. VTValentine Thomas16:59

       Seaspiracy. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       It's a documentary.

   22. VTValentine Thomas17:01

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       Seaspiracy.

   24. VTValentine Thomas17:02

       So, it was on Netflix, and they kind of portrayed a pretty doom and gloom situation of fisheries around the world. And it's... There's, there's about 80% of the seafood being consumed around the world that is still sustainable. There is issues. There's issues in third world countries and, and remote places. The United States is the best country in the world when it comes to sustainable seafood.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Really?

   26. VTValentine Thomas17:26

       It's about 99% of the seafood being consumed that's f- coming from the US that is sustainable.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:34

       Oh, well, that's good.

   28. VTValentine Thomas17:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       So, when you say sustainable, how do they do that? Are they doing, doing that with, uh, offshore farms? 'Cause I know they have some of those, because I was in, uh, Hawaii, um, and, uh, we were... Shout out to my friends at Strike Zone. There was, um... We were on a boat and we were catching these yellowfin tuna, and this guy was telling me, um, that... One of the gentlemen that I was fishing with, that these fish are not even native to that area.... that they were a part of, like, a, a, like, a farm. They have this enormous, like, kind of roped off area where they had left, like... I don't know how they do it. They have, like, a large net or something like that.

   30. VTValentine Thomas18:15

       Yeah.
8. 19:00 – 21:25

   Fish Farming

   1. VTValentine Thomas19:00

      I mean, it's... F- farming is, uh, is like... It's a pretty touchy subject because there's good farming, there's bad farming, you know, same thing with-

   2. JRJoe Rogan19:06

      Right, like things with animals.

   3. VTValentine Thomas19:07

      Yeah, bu-

   4. JRJoe Rogan19:07

      ... same thing, right?

   5. VTValentine Thomas19:08

      But when you think about fish farming, it's the same thing as cattle. It's, it's basically the exact same thing.

   6. JRJoe Rogan19:13

      Mm-hmm.

   7. VTValentine Thomas19:13

      So, there's a good way to raise it and there's a bad way to raise it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:16

      Right.

   9. VTValentine Thomas19:16

      And it's... I think it's just about finding that species. Tuna's a bit tough because they're pelagic, so it means that they're migrat- migratory fish.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Yeah, migratory.

   11. VTValentine Thomas19:25

       Yeah. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       Yes.

   13. VTValentine Thomas19:26

       And, uh... (laughs) So it's... You know, what they often do, especially with bluefin tuna, like, tuna that have very high value, is they're gonna catch it in the wild and they're gonna put it in pens and they're gonna just fat them up.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       Mm-hmm.

   15. VTValentine Thomas19:38

       Making sure, like, they're nice and chubby and then they can sell it too.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       How do they catch 'em? In a net?

   17. VTValentine Thomas19:42

       Yeah, normally purse seine is probably one of the... It accounts for a lot of, uh, I think over 65% of the tuna catch around the world. It's, it's, it's a great way to catch tuna because it's basically... You throw a net around a school of tuna-

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       Mm-hmm.

   19. VTValentine Thomas19:58

       ... so there's very little bycatch because you just grab that school and then that's it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       Okay.

   21. VTValentine Thomas20:02

       And it don-

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       So you don't have to worry about dolphins or anything else there.

   23. VTValentine Thomas20:03

       Yeah, so the problem becomes when you use what you call a FAD. So a FAD is the fishing and grading device, and what it does, it, like, creates, like, a little habitat. Normally it's, like, some stuff hanging and then you have a small fish, then the medium fish, then the big fish, and there are predators around. So what did... A lot of people do is they put those FADs in the middle of nowhere, it creates an ecosystem, throw a gigant- gigantic, sorry, net around it, pick up everything. That's when the bycatch gets terrible.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:30

       Mm-hmm.

   25. VTValentine Thomas20:30

       But purse seine, when you're catching a school without FADs, the bycatch is very, very low.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       So bycatch is what they call, like, collateral damage. So it's-

   27. VTValentine Thomas20:39

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:39

       ... a bunch of fish that you don't want. What do they do with the fish that they don't want? Like, what if they do that and they p-... They, they throw a net and they get, like, l- like, manta rays or something that they're not looking for?

   29. VTValentine Thomas20:50

       (sighs) It's... They, they throw them overboard. Most of the time, they're, they're dead.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       Oh.
9. 21:25 – 22:45

   Intelligence

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:25

   2. VTValentine Thomas21:25

      It's pretty, it's pretty... Yeah, it's pretty intense. They're very, very smart.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:28

      Is-... Isn't it? That's the thing. Isn't it funny how we categorize animals in terms of their intelligence? Like, what-

   4. VTValentine Thomas21:34

      It's bad.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:34

      ... what you're willing to kill? Like, elk are... They are very highly tuned into their environment. Like, they smell you, they run. You know, they see a mountain lion, they run. If there's anything going on, they run. But they're not smart. Like, they... If you... If they're horny, like, and you have, uh, camo on, you could l-... Be standing with your back to a tree and a g-... And you catch them on the right day and if you got a guy who has a cow call, it's like (cow call sounds)

   6. VTValentine Thomas22:04

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:04

      ... they'll look right at you like, "For real? Where is she?"

   8. VTValentine Thomas22:07

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:07

      "Where the fuck is she?" Like, they don't... If you stand totally still, you know, they recognize, um... They, they're, they're not an animal that sees things like we th-... See things. They rec-... They have, like, edge detection, so they recognize movement. So what they recognize is anything that might be a threat, anything movement. So when you have camo, like... Um, I'm wearing a Sitka shirt. So it's like Sitka camo, it's, like-

   10. VTValentine Thomas22:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       ... very broken up. It's excellent camo. So if you're standing dead still, that elk or a deer sees you, it's just, like, blocks of, like, images. They don't know what the fuck you are.

10. 22:45 – 24:08

    Colorblind

    1. JRJoe Rogan22:45

       So-

    2. VTValentine Thomas22:45

       Aren't they colorblind too?

    3. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       I think so. I think they are.

    4. VTValentine Thomas22:49

       Deer is definitely colorblind.

    5. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       Yeah. I think elk are colorblind too. But my God, their sense of smell is insanity. Uh, they could be, like, 150 yards away, like (sniffs) "See ya."

    6. VTValentine Thomas23:00

       That's crazy.

    7. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       Just fucking take off. What's up?

    8. NANarrator23:02

       What level of picture do you want to see 'cause-

    9. JRJoe Rogan23:05

       Hmm. Interesting.

    10. NANarrator23:06

        ... it gets kind of dark in here.

    11. JRJoe Rogan23:07

        Okay, let's see the most (laughs) sanitized version-

    12. NANarrator23:10

        (laughs) Okay.

    13. JRJoe Rogan23:10

        ... of dolphin meat.

    14. NANarrator23:11

        All right. That's what I thought.

    15. JRJoe Rogan23:12

        Let's see the most sanitized.

    16. NANarrator23:13

        Okay.

    17. JRJoe Rogan23:14

        See what it looks like.

    18. NANarrator23:15

        Um.

    19. JRJoe Rogan23:15

        Maybe zoom in so I can... There.

    20. VTValentine Thomas23:17

        (exhales)

    21. NANarrator23:17

        There you go.

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:18

        Oh, Jesus, they have dolphin sushi.

    23. VTValentine Thomas23:20

        Oh, wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan23:20

        Okay, that's mahi-mahi, buddy.

    25. NANarrator23:22

        Well, it says dolphin sashimi.

    26. JRJoe Rogan23:23

        That's dolphin fish.

    27. VTValentine Thomas23:23

        Oh yeah, dolphin... Yeah, dolphin in-

    28. JRJoe Rogan23:25

        Yeah.

    29. VTValentine Thomas23:25

        ... in Florida is mahi-mahi.

    30. JRJoe Rogan23:26

        Yeah, they call it dolphin fish.
11. 24:08 – 27:55

    Octopus

    1. NANarrator24:08

       That's crazy.

    2. JRJoe Rogan24:09

       Isn't it weird, though? Like, all of our instincts are, like, to pull away from that.

    3. NANarrator24:12

       There's even some package stuff, too.

    4. VTValentine Thomas24:13

       Well, it's- it's- it's, like, funny enough, I've- I've, you know, I've killed deers and- and- and a bunch of fish, and the only thing that I ever killed that felt very, very wrong to me, that I felt, like, really bad inside was an octopus.

    5. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       'Cause they're smart.

    6. VTValentine Thomas24:31

       Yes.

    7. JRJoe Rogan24:32

       Yeah.

    8. VTValentine Thomas24:32

       And I don't- I don't know. It was just a weird feeling after it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan24:35

       Really?

    10. VTValentine Thomas24:35

        And it was- I was just like, "Ugh, I'm- I don't wanna do that again. I don't feel comfortable."

    11. JRJoe Rogan24:39

        Really?

    12. VTValentine Thomas24:39

        It was very od- it's- I have no other explanation than emotions. It's not- there was no rationale behind it. It's- you can find octopus in most restaurants, but-

    13. JRJoe Rogan24:48

        Right. Yeah, so octopus sushi is super common.

    14. VTValentine Thomas24:51

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan24:52

        I had octopus last night, actually. No, I didn't. No, that's not true. I had octopus two nights ago. I don't wanna lie.

    16. VTValentine Thomas24:59

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan25:00

        But, um, yeah. I- if I wa- saw them in the wild, I probably would not want to kill them. But if it's convenient, I'll order them. Like veal.

    18. VTValentine Thomas25:09

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan25:09

        I don't want to kill a baby cow.

    20. VTValentine Thomas25:11

        Yeah, no.

    21. JRJoe Rogan25:11

        But if somebody serves me veal, I guess I'll eat it. It's, like, it's a weird thing. It's like, why is it a- the okay to kill the cow when it's f- you know-

    22. VTValentine Thomas25:19

        A baby.

    23. JRJoe Rogan25:19

        ... eight years old, and not okay to kill the cow when it's one years old? Like, it's weird. Like, I get it. I don't-

    24. VTValentine Thomas25:26

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan25:26

        I- I get it. They're cute. I get it.

    26. VTValentine Thomas25:29

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan25:29

        Cute things are awesome. I like cute things, you know. Like, if you saw a lamb- you'd never buy lamb if you saw what lamb is.

    28. VTValentine Thomas25:37

        Yeah. (laughs) For sure.

    29. JRJoe Rogan25:37

        Like, I- I was with some friends last night and they ordered lamb. Like, all th- uh, a- app- apparently lamb is easier for some folks to digest. Jordan's wife and his daughter, and they all eat lamb. But lamb's a baby sheep.

    30. VTValentine Thomas25:50

        Yeah.
12. 27:55 – 30:01

    Telescope Fish

    1. JRJoe Rogan27:55

    2. VTValentine Thomas27:55

       I think it was a top nine of-

    3. JRJoe Rogan27:57

       Is it, like-

    4. VTValentine Thomas27:57

       Somebody sent me a meme that said, "When your friends tell you- tell you that there's plenty of fish in the sea," and they send, like, nine- the ugliest fish in the ocean.

    5. JRJoe Rogan28:05

       (laughs)

    6. VTValentine Thomas28:05

       And this is, that's the fish in the sea. (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       (laughs) That's funny. See if you can find a telescope fish. That's it. That little sucker. So that little sucker, his mouth, i- like, it opens up bigger than his whole body.

    8. VTValentine Thomas28:21

       That's very weird.

    9. JRJoe Rogan28:21

       Like, the opening, and then it's- it can swallow things bigger than its bo- Like, if you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, "Get the fuck out of here. That's not real." Like, if you saw that in Avatar and it was swimming around and it was, like, eight feet long and it was swallowing things that are 10 feet long, you'd be like, "What the fuck?" It doesn't look real.

    10. VTValentine Thomas28:41

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan28:41

        But that's the ocean. The ocean's amazing. Like, if the ocean existed on another planet, we would be so much more excited about it.

    12. VTValentine Thomas28:48

        For sure.

    13. JRJoe Rogan28:49

        Isn't that weird?

    14. VTValentine Thomas28:50

        But again, it's those species that have been evolving for way longer than we have.

    15. JRJoe Rogan28:53

        Yeah. But they are alien. They're so- they're alien to terrestrial life. Like, if you saw them on another planet, we would be fascinated.

    16. VTValentine Thomas29:03

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan29:03

        But they exist and you could watch them on YouTube and barely anybody gives a shit. Like, how many videos were that, uh, the one- the octopus with the cape.

    18. NANarrator29:11

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan29:11

        How many views did it have?

    20. NANarrator29:13

        I mean, I- like I said, I just heard of it and you'd never heard of it, so.

    21. JRJoe Rogan29:16

        Right. Let's see how many views it has, though.

    22. NANarrator29:18

        Like, who knows?

    23. JRJoe Rogan29:18

        Maybe we're just idiots. Maybe the rest of the world's well aware and it's got 45 million views.

    24. VTValentine Thomas29:23

        (laughs)

    25. NANarrator29:23

        Uh, the- the little tiny one had 31,000 views.

    26. JRJoe Rogan29:25

        That ain't shit.

    27. VTValentine Thomas29:26

        That's nothing.

    28. NANarrator29:27

        And the one I showed, the other one, had maybe 300,000.

    29. JRJoe Rogan29:30

        MrBeast gets out within the first three seconds of his uploads.

    30. VTValentine Thomas29:33

        (laughs)
13. 30:01 – 33:08

    Freediving

    1. JRJoe Rogan30:01

    2. VTValentine Thomas30:01

       I mean, especially at those depths when it's getting, like, really dark, that's where the real creepy stuff really live.

    3. JRJoe Rogan30:07

       I think that's, like, 500 plus meters. How m- what depth does that s- little sucker live in?I think it's something crazy.

    4. VTValentine Thomas30:17

       Yeah, I think my, my diving abil- capability don't go below really, like, 100 feet.

    5. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       Well, do you ... Do you ... You don't scuba for the most part, right?

    6. VTValentine Thomas30:26

       No, I free dive.

    7. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       You free dive.

    8. VTValentine Thomas30:27

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan30:27

       So you just hold your breath?

    10. VTValentine Thomas30:28

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan30:29

        How long can you hold your breath for?

    12. VTValentine Thomas30:30

        Uh, five minutes 45.

    13. JRJoe Rogan30:32

        Whoa.

    14. VTValentine Thomas30:33

        But it's not ... I, I don't train for free diving, pure free diving. I like to get in a water, I like to grab dinner and then-

    15. JRJoe Rogan30:39

        Yeah.

    16. VTValentine Thomas30:39

        ... enjoy the view.

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:40

        Right.

    18. VTValentine Thomas30:41

        Free diving is a very special sport.

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:43

        Yeah.

    20. VTValentine Thomas30:44

        It's like, you go down a line and you go down as deep as you can and you hold your breath, you have to stay calm and composed, and in your head, and you have to be mentally super strong, and it's-

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:53

        Mm-hmm.

    22. VTValentine Thomas30:54

        It's interesting. You, you can get into it but it's ... I guess I have too much of a attention deficit to do that.

    23. JRJoe Rogan31:00

        (laughs)

    24. VTValentine Thomas31:00

        I'm like, "Oh, fish." (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan31:03

        Well, you're just ... You're in it for a different thing.

    26. VTValentine Thomas31:05

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan31:05

        You're in it to enjoy the, the, the life of being underwater. When you're down there, do you think, like, "I escaped"? Do you ever think, like, uh, like you escaped?

    28. VTValentine Thomas31:16

        I do-

    29. JRJoe Rogan31:16

        Like, 'cause you could've, could've been in that corporate world. You could've been ... Like right now ... How old are you now?

    30. VTValentine Thomas31:22

        34.
14. 33:08 – 35:07

    Arsenic

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:08

       ... a lot of freshwater fish.

    2. VTValentine Thomas33:09

       Freshwater fish?

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:10

       Yeah.

    4. VTValentine Thomas33:10

       I'm not too familiar with that type. I very rarely fish in freshwater.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:14

       Well, um, I had, uh, arsenic levels in my blood that were detected at one point in time and I went to this doctor and, you know, I get blood work done regularly. So I get this blood work done, the doctor goes, "Um, this is concerning." He goes, "You have arsenic levels in your blood," and I go, "Hmm." And I was like, "Oh shit, is my wife trying to kill me? What the fuck is going on?"

    6. VTValentine Thomas33:36

       (laughs) And then she's like-

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:37

       And-

    8. VTValentine Thomas33:37

       ... "I don't like this person (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       This bitch trying to slowly poison me." No, and then he said, uh, "It's very low levels, though." He goes, uh, "Do you eat a lot of seafood?" I go, "I eat a lot of anchovies." He goes, "How often?" Or not anchovies, excuse me, sardines.

    10. VTValentine Thomas33:49

        Okay.

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:49

        He goes, "How often?" I go, "Every day." He goes, "How much do you eat?" I go, "Three, four cans." He goes, "Stop doing that." (laughs)

    12. VTValentine Thomas33:55

        (laughs) That's a lot.

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:55

        He goes, he goes, "Stop doing that and then come back in a few months." I'm a v- ... And I'm, I'm an obsessive and one of the things that I'll do is I'll buy, like, two cases of sardines. And so, like, if I like a sardine company, I'm like, "These are good."

    14. VTValentine Thomas34:11

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:11

        So I'll just buy, like, two fucking cases and then I'll come home from, like, a comedy club at, like, midnight and I don't feel like cooking but I wanna l- ... like, watch a little YouTube or sit in front of the TV.

    16. VTValentine Thomas34:22

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:22

        So I'll eat, like, three or four cans of sardines and I was doing it all the fucking time. And so I was developing an ... like, an arsenic problem. But it qui- ... It cleared up very quickly. I stopped doing it, I stopped eating 'em and then I came back to 'em in three months and he's like, "There's none. It's all gone." So it was all good.

    18. VTValentine Thomas34:40

        That's crazy, though.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:41

        Yeah. Well, let's you know. You know, you, you know? Those little fuckers, you know, they have to swim around in our bullshit.

    20. VTValentine Thomas34:49

        That's true.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:50

        It's what it is. It's our bullshit. It's our toxins and whatever we're dumping into the ocean. (sighs)

    22. VTValentine Thomas34:57

        I mean-

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:57

        I'll give you a little fucking thing you might not know. Do you know how the Somalis ... You know, Somalis are known for being pirates, right?

    24. VTValentine Thomas35:04

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:04

        Do you know why?

15. 35:07 – 41:29

    Somali Pirates

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:07

    2. VTValentine Thomas35:07

       Um, I think it's because we took pretty much all of their fish close to shore and now they got pissed off-

    3. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       Worse.

    4. VTValentine Thomas35:13

       ... and they decided to become pirates and kill us all.

    5. JRJoe Rogan35:16

       W-

    6. VTValentine Thomas35:16

       Or actually steal our money.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       Worse.

    8. VTValentine Thomas35:18

       Worse?

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       Worse than that. They started ... Europeans and other countries started dumping their toxic waste off the s- the shore of Somalia.

    10. VTValentine Thomas35:26

        Yikes.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:27

        And they killed all the fish. And so these Somali fishermen, they call themselves ... I think they call themselves the People's r- ... something ... Goddammit, I forget what they called themselves initially. They were like ... It was like a militia idea, like they were gonna go and stop these people who were destroying their livelihood.

    12. VTValentine Thomas35:52

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:53

        I mean, it's a very poor country.

    14. VTValentine Thomas35:54

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:55

        So they started kidnapping these people that were the captains of these boats that were dumping this toxic waste and they would demand a ransom. And then once they did that, they go, "You know what? Fuck fishing."

    16. VTValentine Thomas36:07

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:07

        They just started kidnapping people, you know?

    18. VTValentine Thomas36:09

        When will I run into this business? (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:11

        And then on top of that, they started ... They were doing a drug called khat.... it's, uh, it's a narcotic, like a natural narcotic. And this, this khat is like a, a leaf that you chew and it makes your teeth rot out of your head. Like, it's fucking disgusting. Like, they get black teeth. See if you can find it, K-H-A-T, uh, khat, uh, teeth. It's, uh, 'cause it's like they're chewing this funky leaf and it gives them, it's like m- like a meth face thing they get. You ever see, like, faces of meth where people, like, they lose their teeth and they get all, their teeth get all cracked out?

    20. VTValentine Thomas36:51

        Kind of.

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:52

        Yeah.

    22. VTValentine Thomas36:52

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:53

        I mean, it might be just, like, they're not brushing, but...

    24. VTValentine Thomas36:56

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:56

        (laughs) I think there's a lot more to it.

    26. VTValentine Thomas36:58

        (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan36:58

        But this khat stuff they chew and, um, it makes their teeth, like, fucking black and nasty. So, they're cranked out of their mind and then they got these nasty teeth.

    28. VTValentine Thomas37:09

        Ew.

    29. JRJoe Rogan37:09

        Look at that. That's what it looks like when they chew that stuff.

    30. VTValentine Thomas37:12

        Oh, that's, yeah-
16. 41:29 – 42:33

    Running Away

    1. VTValentine Thomas41:29

       That's true because I did from, um... I actually did from Brazil all the way to the top of the Caribbeans with my dad on a sailboat.

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:35

       Really?

    3. VTValentine Thomas41:36

       And it was my dad, one of his friend, and me.

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:40

       Did you guys have a gun?

    5. VTValentine Thomas41:41

       So, my, my, my dad didn't answer me when I asked that question.

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:45

       Oh, so he had a gun?

    7. VTValentine Thomas41:46

       I'm gonna guess that was the answer was yes.

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:48

       Yeah, he had a gun.

    9. VTValentine Thomas41:49

       But he was, um... And we left, we were like 400 miles away off shore.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        400?

    11. VTValentine Thomas41:54

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        (gasps)

    13. VTValentine Thomas41:54

        So, I had to work two-hour shift every four hours for about three weeks.

    14. JRJoe Rogan42:00

        Whoa.

    15. VTValentine Thomas42:00

        And it's-

    16. JRJoe Rogan42:01

        What did you have to do?

    17. VTValentine Thomas42:02

        So, because, especially, even if you're far away, you know, they have f- small fishing boats that don't have, that don't show on the radar. So, you kind of have to be on lookout and look every five minutes on both side of the boat to see if you see lights to make sure you don't, you know, kill somebody in the middle of the night.

    18. JRJoe Rogan42:17

        Have you seen the video that just got out recently of these guys that are fishing on this boat? They're just sitting there with their rods, fishing.

    19. VTValentine Thomas42:23

        Yes.

    20. JRJoe Rogan42:24

        And this boat is coming straight towards them, and they wave, and then they realize, "Oh, my god. This boat's not gonna stop," and they jump out of the wa- in- into the water. Did you see that?

    21. VTValentine Thomas42:32

        I did see that. And

17. 42:33 – 44:20

    Boats

    1. VTValentine Thomas42:33

       I would-

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:33

       See if you can find that, Jamie.

    3. VTValentine Thomas42:34

       ... I wou- I would, I would like to say that this is an isolated incident, but-

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:37

       It's not.

    5. VTValentine Thomas42:38

       ... what scares me the most in the water, it's boats.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:41

       Oh, yeah.

    7. VTValentine Thomas42:41

       It's not sharks. It's not anything. It's boats, because-

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:44

       Yeah.

    9. VTValentine Thomas42:44

       ... actually, it, it happened to me once. I was with friends, and a boat was literally on top of us.

    10. NANarrator42:50

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan42:50

        Here it is.

    12. VTValentine Thomas42:50

        And we dove down.

    13. JRJoe Rogan42:51

        This is it. This is it.

    14. NANarrator42:51

        Okay, it's a couple years old, just so you know, but... oh, shit.

    15. JRJoe Rogan42:55

        Boom.

    16. VTValentine Thomas42:55

        That's crazy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan42:56

        Watch this.

    18. NANarrator42:57

        Hey, hey, hey! Oh my god. Look out.

    19. JRJoe Rogan43:06

        Fuck. How bad did the boat get fucked up?

    20. NANarrator43:09

        Oh, yeah, I didn't mean to hit that one. Sorry.

    21. VTValentine Thomas43:11

        Jesus.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:13

        Jesus.

    23. VTValentine Thomas43:13

        That's what you call a Sunday boat driver in Florida.

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:15

        Well... Oh my god, it just mangled their boat. Wow, that's crazy.

    25. VTValentine Thomas43:19

        That's so insane.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:21

        Well-

    27. VTValentine Thomas43:21

        Well, my friend got boat of his fin chopped up by a prop. He saw the boat coming, and he dove down straight away, and the prop chopped boat of his fin off.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:29

        The fins of his, his-

    29. VTValentine Thomas43:31

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:31

        Swimming fins? (gasps)
18. 44:20 – 48:30

    Jet Skiing

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:20

       dangerous.

    2. VTValentine Thomas44:20

       If Drunk Steven or his four girlfriends coming full speed at you, he's not going to see you.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:24

       Mm-hmm. There's accidents like that all the time. That's, that's sketchy.

    4. VTValentine Thomas44:27

       It must be.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:27

       I don't do that shit, though. You know what I like more than anything? Is jet skiing. Oh my god, it's so much fun.

    6. VTValentine Thomas44:34

       That's fun.

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:34

       They're so fast.

    8. VTValentine Thomas44:36

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:36

       The jet skis they have now, they're so fast. I bought this house-

    10. VTValentine Thomas44:40

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:40

        ... and it had jet skis, like it came with jet skis, and we bought that jet skis from the people. And then, uh, my wife wanted to get better ones, so we got these. I'm like, "Why wouldn't you... These are fine." And then she got these new jet skis, and they're fucking preposterous. There's... The jet skis they make today are so goddamn fast. They're like 0 to 60 in a couple of seconds, like a car.

    12. VTValentine Thomas44:59

        That's crazy.

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:59

        Like (imitates jet ski engine) .

    14. VTValentine Thomas45:02

        They make those super cool new, like, fishing ones too.

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:04

        But the good thing about jet skiing-

    16. VTValentine Thomas45:05

        So you have like a-

    17. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        Oh, really?

    18. VTValentine Thomas45:05

        ... like a bait box and-

    19. JRJoe Rogan45:07

        On a jet ski?

    20. VTValentine Thomas45:07

        ... like a cooler and... Yeah. Like, they all set up so you can just go out at sea and just go fish off that.

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:12

        Ah, I don't see that.

    22. VTValentine Thomas45:13

        Pretty cool.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:14

        So it's like an attachment that you put on the end of your jet ski?

    24. VTValentine Thomas45:16

        I think so. I think that they made f- like, the like fishing jet skis.

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:19

        The thing about the jet ski is, like, they're so maneuverable. It's so much more maneuverable-

    26. VTValentine Thomas45:24

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:24

        ... than a boat. Like, boats are awkward. Like, you, like, you're like going (imitates engine revving) backing up and moving.

    28. VTValentine Thomas45:30

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:30

        It's like you're subject to the waves. With a jet ski, you're just fucking... You're just doing whatever you want to do.

    30. VTValentine Thomas45:35

        (laughs)
19. 48:30 – 50:41

    Sharks vs Tuna

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:30

    2. VTValentine Thomas48:30

       So there's tunas and sharks all together, but normally the tuna stays below the sharks.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:34

       Why don't those sharks just kill the tunas? Can, can they?

    4. VTValentine Thomas48:37

       I don't know, I get that's too busy.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:39

       Do sharks eat tunas? Or are the tunas too fast?

    6. VTValentine Thomas48:39

       Sharks eat pretty much anything in the water.

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:41

       But, so, s- tunas are way faster than sharks, right? Aren't they?

    8. VTValentine Thomas48:45

       I'd say so. I'd- probably put my money on tuna.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:46

       So a tuna has to be slipping.

    10. VTValentine Thomas48:48

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:49

        A shark has to catch a tuna slipping.

    12. VTValentine Thomas48:51

        Yeah. (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:51

        Right? Yeah.

    14. VTValentine Thomas48:52

        But also sharks are, you know, they're ... I like to compare them to dogs a lot. That maybe sounds weird, but it's ... They like an easy meal. That's why when they hear spearfishing vans popping in the water, normally they know what's happening, and sometimes they like to come around because they know a free, easy meal is gonna probably gonna be around soon.

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:11

        You know, that's h- what happens with grizzlies.

    16. VTValentine Thomas49:13

        Oh, really?

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Grizzlies hear gunshots and they run towards the gunshot because they assume the gunshot means an animal, like a deer, an elk. So it's sometimes-

    18. VTValentine Thomas49:21

        Oh, true, I think the-

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:21

        And I believe it's Montana, if you shoot a ... We'll find that in a moment here.

    20. NANarrator49:27

        These guys.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:28

        Let's see. They caught some tunas?

    22. NANarrator49:30

        Yeah, they're ... Right, I'll show you there. 100%.

    23. VTValentine Thomas49:31

        Now, I put like, um-

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:33

        What's happening here?

    25. VTValentine Thomas49:33

        ... spearfishing, shrimp boats.

    26. NANarrator49:35

        Oh. Oh, it's ... Oh, okay, go spear. My bad.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:36

        Oh, what were you saying?

    28. NANarrator49:37

        Uh, this was just, these guys were behind a boat there.

    29. VTValentine Thomas49:43

        That's black fin, also.

    30. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        Oh, so they're fishing behind this, a shrimp boat.
20. 50:41 – 54:08

    Grizzly Hunting

    1. JRJoe Rogan50:41

       Herzog is brilliant, and I think he ma- that's different than any of his other movies, where it's so funny that I gotta think that he made it funny on purpose.

    2. VTValentine Thomas50:49

       That it has to be.

    3. JRJoe Rogan50:50

       It has to be. Um, Wyoming rules when it comes to a downed animal claimed by a grizzly, uh, fish and game rules, 'cause I believe t- I, I believe the idea is they're trying to discourage, um, grizzly encounters with people. Like, they don't want people to try to chase off a grizzly and get killed. So, I think-

    4. VTValentine Thomas51:14

       Probably smart.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:15

       Yeah, I think they just have decided, "Listen, you shoot at an elk and a grizzly claims it, that's not your elk anymore."

    6. VTValentine Thomas51:23

       Right.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:23

       I don't, I don't know if that means you get to shoot another one, which would be pretty cool, or if it means-

    8. VTValentine Thomas51:28

       It's a good point.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:29

       ... that's a wrap.

    10. VTValentine Thomas51:30

        Like, is, is, is your-

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:30

        That's a wrap on your hunting season.

    12. VTValentine Thomas51:30

        ... is your tag forfeit by then or not?

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:32

        Exactly.

    14. VTValentine Thomas51:33

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        Because if like, if you have a big hunting trip and you shoot an elk and like, say, you're out there for a week and a half, you're in the back country and, you know, maybe this is like something you've been planning for for years. You budgeted, you put in for a tag, you know, you, you s- spent all your money on this, this is a big deal, and you're looking to have like a freezer full of meat for the winter. Boom! You drop this elk from 300 yards, and then by the time you get over there, you see a fucking grizzly coming down the hill towards your elk. You're like, "No!"

    16. VTValentine Thomas52:03

        (laughs) "Get the fuck off."

    17. JRJoe Rogan52:03

        "You son of a bitch."

    18. VTValentine Thomas52:05

        (laughs) Goddamn.

    19. JRJoe Rogan52:05

        'Cause that's what happens. They hear a gunshot and in some areas where they're habituated to the sound of gunshots equaling b- gut piles in particular.

    20. VTValentine Thomas52:15

        Uh, you talkin' ... Yeah, you're talking about gun because I'm like, "300 yards?" Like, how m- unless you pound it in your bow. (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan52:19

        No, no, no, I'm talking a gun. Boom.

    22. VTValentine Thomas52:21

        Okay.

    23. JRJoe Rogan52:21

        Guns, yeah. No, 300 yards.

    24. VTValentine Thomas52:22

        By the way, your friend, um, so Tyler set me up with my bow this week.

    25. JRJoe Rogan52:27

        Tyler from C- Archer Country?

    26. VTValentine Thomas52:28

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan52:28

        Archery Country's the shit.

    28. VTValentine Thomas52:29

        So I'm a little tanger of 35 now.

    29. JRJoe Rogan52:31

        If you're in Austin, Texas-

    30. VTValentine Thomas52:31

        I'm like, "Hehe."
21. 54:08 – 57:15

    Shield Casting

    1. VTValentine Thomas54:08

       are.

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:08

       It's like a, um ... It looks like a bowling pin almost, but it's made outta iron. And Onnit's, we sell them at Onnit. They're awesome. And what it is, is a really good exercise for shoulder stability and strength. And what you do is like ... I do a bunch of exercises with them, but one of them that I really like for archery is called shield casting. So I'll be... Um, okay. It's like th- it's perfect. So, if this was ... I actually have some out here. I'll show them. So if this was this iron thing, you go around the shoulder like that, and then put it in front of you. And around like that-

    3. VTValentine Thomas54:38

       Okay.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:38

       ... and put it in front of you. So the whole idea is like you're strengthening all these muscles in your shoulder, and then you're also strengthening your ability to hold it out with this.

    5. VTValentine Thomas54:46

       Okay.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:46

       And there's a bunch of other exercises I do with them, a bunch of different kinds of exercises. I, I do them where ... So there you go. You see them there. There's, uh, that's my boy Jon Wolf right there, the one with the arms sticking straight out.

    7. VTValentine Thomas54:57

       Oh, cool.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:57

       That's my buddy. He's actually, uh, a guy I train with-

    9. VTValentine Thomas54:59

       Kind of made between a bowling pin-

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:00

        ... all the time.

    11. VTValentine Thomas55:00

        ... and a baseball bat.

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:02

        Yes. Very similar. And Jon is a, he's just an, an awesome trainer all around. And he's the head trainer over at Onnit. And he has a bunch of different workout programs that he's devised. Onnit has a thing called, uh, Onnit 6, and it's all these, uh, different workouts; body weight workouts, kettlebell workouts, all kinds of stuff that you can do at home that they devised during COVID to help people, uh, you know, if they couldn't get to a gym. You could just buy a couple of pieces of equipment, like a steel club, and they'll set you through all these different, uh, exercises and workouts. But clubs are really good for bows. I really like it, and so does my friend John Dudley. We'll have to get him to, to help you. That would be great for both of you guys.

    13. VTValentine Thomas55:42

        Yeah. I mean, I travel so much, it's so hard to get consistency when it comes to training because you know you want to always train in the same place and have the same set, so it's-

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:49

        Can you make it out to Iowa? Can you make it to Iowa?

    15. VTValentine Thomas55:52

        Probably could go anywhere.

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:53

        Okay. I'll set you up.

    17. VTValentine Thomas55:53

        As long as I bring my laptop. (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:54

        John Dudley is, like, legitimately the best archery coach in the world.

    19. VTValentine Thomas55:58

        Oh, fun.

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:58

        Yeah. He's m- he's one of my best friends. We'll send you out to him.

    21. VTValentine Thomas56:01

        Yeah. That'd be great.

    22. JRJoe Rogan56:03

        'Cause he'll, he'll coach you, he'll show you how to do it. He does it all the time. Like, this is literally what he does. And he's, uh, you know, he's also, um, one of the guys that, uh, he's like a top pro at PSE, which is a bow company, so they'll set, they'll set you up. That's the bow I use.

    23. VTValentine Thomas56:17

        Awesome.

    24. JRJoe Rogan56:17

        But th- there are ... What kind of bow do you have?

    25. VTValentine Thomas56:19

        I got a Hoyt equip.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        Hoyt. Those are great.

    27. VTValentine Thomas56:24

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:24

        Yeah. Hoyt's awesome. They're a- they're all awesome. Like when you get to like Matthews, Hoyt, PSE. There's like, there's a ... L-Eppber makes awesome bows. There's like-

    29. VTValentine Thomas56:33

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:33

        There's a, there's a level of bow, when you get to a certain le- a, a certain level, there's just, they're all really good.
22. 57:15 – 1:09:48

    Self Defense

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:15

       that?

    2. VTValentine Thomas57:15

       It was really good. So, I've, I've started my ... So I do MMA stuff on Tuesday, and then grappling on Thursday.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:23

       Wow.

    4. VTValentine Thomas57:23

       It really came up from the fact that, you know, I'm a girl, I'm traveling by myself, so I just really wanted to have kind of a base of when it comes to self-defense type of stuff. So it's, it's ... Funny story, I got knocked out by a 14-year-old during my class, but we can talk about that another day.

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:35

       A 14-year-old girl knocked you out?

    6. VTValentine Thomas57:37

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:38

       Whoa.

    8. VTValentine Thomas57:39

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan57:39

       How cold?

    10. VTValentine Thomas57:40

        Af- uh, I fell on the floor. I was standing up and I fell.

    11. JRJoe Rogan57:43

        What'd she hit you with?

    12. VTValentine Thomas57:45

        So, I mean, sh- she had gloves on. The thing is, it was, it was like, it was, it was like her first or second class or something. And she-

    13. JRJoe Rogan57:52

        Whoa, sign that girl up.

    14. VTValentine Thomas57:52

        I had headgear on and she didn't, so I was only allowed to hit her in the body and, and my coach kept telling her like, like you know, "Just use maybe like 10 to 15% of your strength." And she keeps hitting me as hard as she could in the face. And I was like, you know like, "Take it easy." Like, you know, "We're here to have fun." (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:09

        Mm.

    16. VTValentine Thomas58:09

        And then it's, I was not looking and she just hit me in the side, in the temple as hard as she could. And I fell on the ground and my coach looked at me and he was like, "Please don't do this. Please just like, just smile and get up." (laughs) And I looked at him, I was like, "Fine."

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:25

        Please don't do this, meaning don't be that cold.

    18. VTValentine Thomas58:26

        He knew. He, he, he saw, he saw my face. He was like ... He was like, "Just be nice." (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:32

        Were you angry?

    20. VTValentine Thomas58:33

        I was very angry.

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:34

        Did you talk to the 14-year-old?

    22. VTValentine Thomas58:36

        I was-

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:36

        Did she apologize?

    24. VTValentine Thomas58:37

        She didn't.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:38

        She didn't apologize?

    26. VTValentine Thomas58:40

        No. It's, I mean, she just felt a little bit ... I mean, ki- she kinda did, but she was like, "Oh, sorry." But then we kept sparring and she just kept like hitting as hard-

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        You kept sparring?

    28. VTValentine Thomas58:48

        ... as I hit her.

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:48

        After she dropped you, you kept sparring?

    30. VTValentine Thomas58:50

        I mean, a little bit. Like, I took it easy after. Like the coach was like, told her like, "Look, like go very freaking easy from now on." And it was ...

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