Joe Rogan Experience #1784 - Diana Rodgers & Robb Wolf

Rodgers and Wolf show that equal portions of beans vs steak provide far less usable protein and fewer essential amino acids, particularly leucine and B12, making it harder (though not impossible) for plant‑based eaters to hit anabolic and micronutrient targets without powders and supplements.

They argue the current RDA (~0.8 g/kg) is a bare minimum to avoid deficiency, not to optimize muscle, satiety, and aging; they recommend roughly double that, highlighting sarcopenia and reduced protein digestion after 40.

Wolf describes autoimmune and gut patients who only improved on meat‑only or meat‑plus‑fruit diets after other interventions failed, but he frames carnivore as a last‑line elimination diet to be individualized and often later liberalized (e.g., adding fruit and honey).

Using examples like White Oak Pastures, they claim well‑managed pasture systems sequester more carbon than they emit and rely mostly on “green water” (rain), challenging the popular narrative that beef necessarily drives climate change or water depletion.

They point to heavy fertilizer use, topsoil depletion, pesticide run‑off, industrial processing, and long supply chains behind pea/soy-based burgers, arguing life‑cycle analyses can show higher or comparable carbon footprints to regeneratively raised beef.