Joe Rogan Experience #1786 - Freddie Gibbs & Brian Moses

1. 0:00 – 0:56

   Texas catch-up, strip-club stories, and setting the tone

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (energetic music) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   3. FGFreddie Gibbs0:12

      Salud.

   4. BMBrian Moses0:13

      Salud.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Salud.

   6. FGFreddie Gibbs0:14

      Welcome. Freddie-

   7. BMBrian Moses0:15

      Yes, sir.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      ... Bryan Moses. Nice to see you gentlemen. Thanks for coming.

   9. BMBrian Moses0:19

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       How's Texas treating you?

   11. BMBrian Moses0:21

       Back in this thing. Uh, shit. We went to a BYOB strip club last night.

   12. FGFreddie Gibbs0:25

       Oh, boy. That's always rough. (laughs)

   13. BMBrian Moses0:28

       I'm gonna be BYOB king, bring your own-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       Oh my goodness.

   15. BMBrian Moses0:30

       ... bitches. Bring your own bud. Bring your own-

   16. FGFreddie Gibbs0:33

       Bullets.

   17. BMBrian Moses0:33

       ... bullets. Bullets for sure.

   18. FGFreddie Gibbs0:36

       (laughs)

   19. BMBrian Moses0:36

       Bring your own motherfucking bullets.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Yeah. Only thing it was, was, uh, not bring your own Blacks. They had plenty of that there last night.

   21. BMBrian Moses0:41

       Mm-hmm.

   22. FGFreddie Gibbs0:42

       Where were-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       And then we, and then we showed up.

   24. FGFreddie Gibbs0:43

       Ah. (laughs)

   25. BMBrian Moses0:44

       You, you go to racist shit. Jumping it off, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah. It's the last day of white guilt month. We gotta, you know-

   27. BMBrian Moses0:49

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       ... we're going out with a bang. (laughs) They trying to get my man, Rogan, you know?

   29. BMBrian Moses0:53

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       You can't be racist no more.
2. 0:56 – 3:34

   The N-word controversy: context, power, and why some words are off-limits

   1. BMBrian Moses0:56

      All right. Can we say, can we say nigga?

   2. FGFreddie Gibbs0:59

      You can.

   3. BMBrian Moses1:00

      Okay. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01

      (laughs)

   5. FGFreddie Gibbs1:01

      You can. Well-

   6. BMBrian Moses1:02

      All right.

   7. FGFreddie Gibbs1:02

      ... if I wanna say, I'll just pause and then you just fill in the blanks.

   8. BMBrian Moses1:04

      Right. Just send it off to me.

   9. FGFreddie Gibbs1:05

      So anytime there's a video- (laughs)

   10. BMBrian Moses1:06

       Just send it off to me man. Just send it off to me, Joe.

   11. FGFreddie Gibbs1:08

       Yeah.

   12. BMBrian Moses1:08

       You can't say that shit, Joe 'cause-

   13. FGFreddie Gibbs1:10

       No.

   14. BMBrian Moses1:10

       ... you, you pissed niggas off when you did that compilation. It was funny as fuck though, I can't even lie. But, you know, it's, uh-

   15. FGFreddie Gibbs1:15

       Well, I didn't mean it as a compilation.

   16. BMBrian Moses1:17

       But they made a compilation.

   17. FGFreddie Gibbs1:18

       Oh, I am aware.

   18. BMBrian Moses1:19

       And that shit was crazy.

   19. FGFreddie Gibbs1:21

       Yeah, yeah. Not good.

   20. BMBrian Moses1:22

       But the... But it... Hey man, look, I don't think you're a racist, my nigga. You my nigga. I fuck with you.

   21. FGFreddie Gibbs1:26

       Thank you. Appreciate it.

   22. BMBrian Moses1:26

       So I don't, I don't think... I never thought you was a racist. I just think you was just-

   23. FGFreddie Gibbs1:29

       I'm definitely not.

   24. BMBrian Moses1:29

       ... saying some shit you shouldn't have said and a lot of us niggas say some stuff that we shouldn't say sometime. It is what it is.

   25. FGFreddie Gibbs1:35

       But that's the only word that, like, you, you can't say no matter what.

   26. BMBrian Moses1:38

       Nah, you gotta give that to us. That's the thing. And I wanna tell white people right now, y'all just gotta let us have that. Like quit trying to...

   27. FGFreddie Gibbs1:44

       (laughs)

   28. BMBrian Moses1:44

       Just let us have nigga. We got it. You know what I mean? Like that, there's one thing, you know what I mean? Y'all already human trafficked us over here. Let us have that. Just let us have it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       It's the most powerful world... Uh, world.

   30. BMBrian Moses1:54

       World.
3. 3:34 – 4:36

   Spotify backlash, Neil Young/India.Arie, and who actually gets hurt

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:34

      Bro, Spotify is not airing this episode. (laughs) Not with all these niggas.

   2. FGFreddie Gibbs3:38

      They have to.

   3. BMBrian Moses3:39

      They got to.

   4. FGFreddie Gibbs3:40

      They have to. It's just like-

   5. BMBrian Moses3:40

      Hey, fuck Ni- fuck Neil Young, man.

   6. FGFreddie Gibbs3:42

      Oh. Whoa.

   7. BMBrian Moses3:42

      Let me tell you... Let me say something about Neil Young.

   8. FGFreddie Gibbs3:44

      This is outrageous.

   9. BMBrian Moses3:44

      Hey, Neil Young, man. I know you want to get Joe off this motherfucker, right? But look though, my nigga. You pulled your shit off, but would you have pulled it if it was only the nigga shit? If you thought Joe was a racist, would you-

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       (coughs)

   11. BMBrian Moses3:55

       ... would have stood up for niggers? I think not.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       No. Yeah, Neil didn't say anything when the, uh-

   13. BMBrian Moses3:59

       He ain't say nothing about that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:59

       ... the, the N-word drop came out.

   15. BMBrian Moses4:01

       (clears throat) He ain't say nothing.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       He went all about that vaccine, misinformation.

   17. FGFreddie Gibbs4:03

       In his defense, that was before. He, he did his thing before.

   18. BMBrian Moses4:07

       Well, he should have doubled back for niggers.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       (laughs)

   20. BMBrian Moses4:10

       Fuck that. Only thing I was mad at you, Joe, man, you fucked up with India.Arie, man. You had a lot of bitches that couldn't put their shea butter on, she pulled that motherfucking shit off Spotify.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       (laughs)

   22. BMBrian Moses4:19

       You fucked up shea butter for niggers with India.Arie, man. Shout out to India.Arie. Please put your music back up. We love you baby girl.

   23. FGFreddie Gibbs4:26

       I love her too.

   24. BMBrian Moses4:27

       Joe-

   25. FGFreddie Gibbs4:27

       I love her voice.

   26. BMBrian Moses4:28

       Joe didn't mean that shit.

   27. FGFreddie Gibbs4:29

       And, and you know what? I also support what she's saying. One of the things that she's saying is that, why does... why doesn't she get paid well?

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Right.

4. 4:36 – 8:36

   Inside the music business: recoupment math, 360 deals, and “musical slavery”

   1. FGFreddie Gibbs4:36

      For streams. That's a... It's a predatory business, man.

   2. BMBrian Moses4:38

      It is. I mean-

   3. FGFreddie Gibbs4:39

      The, the music business, the way the record companies own the artists and o-... You could speak to this.

   4. BMBrian Moses4:44

      Yeah, I'm outta this shit. I'm about to do a podcast, nigga.

   5. FGFreddie Gibbs4:46

      Are you?

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      (laughs)

   7. BMBrian Moses4:47

      Hell yeah. Fuck this rap shit, nigga.

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:48

      (laughs)

   9. BMBrian Moses4:48

      This podcast shit make way more motherfucking money than the motherfucking price of the motherfucking stream over some rap shit, you know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       Wait a minute, wait. Hold on. Let's go back to India.Arie hold.

   11. FGFreddie Gibbs4:56

       No, so the thing is like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       She, she jumped on your scandal so she could push her own, uh, her own agen- agenda.

   13. FGFreddie Gibbs5:01

       No, I mean, she was... I think she was genuinely upset, but-

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       She was.

   15. BMBrian Moses5:04

       She had a right to be upset.

   16. FGFreddie Gibbs5:05

       Yes.

   17. BMBrian Moses5:05

       Yeah.

   18. FGFreddie Gibbs5:05

       But I, I also think that, um, she used it as an opportunity to, uh, express her plight.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       Right.

   20. FGFreddie Gibbs5:11

       You know, express herself about her plight because artists that don't own their music, someone else got your music bef-... And a lot of them, it was before streaming even existed, right?

   21. BMBrian Moses5:21

       Right.

   22. FGFreddie Gibbs5:21

       So they had these contracts where they thought they were selling records and you'd sell records for a certain amount of time and then someone else would own the right to the music, but that's fine, you already sold the records, you got your piece or whatever.

   23. BMBrian Moses5:32

       Man, it's a-

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Damn.

   25. BMBrian Moses5:33

       ... it's a predatory business, man. Artists don't-

   26. FGFreddie Gibbs5:35

       It is.

   27. BMBrian Moses5:35

       You know, if you don't know the equation, you know, you ain't going to... You know, you're not gonna succeed, you know. Peo-... Most artists don't know that your rate, your rate of debt i-... Versus your, you know, rate of recoupment.

   28. FGFreddie Gibbs5:44

       Right.

   29. BMBrian Moses5:45

       You know what I mean? So-

   30. FGFreddie Gibbs5:45

       In terms of like-
5. 8:36 – 10:39

   Alternate distribution: TIDAL, Kanye’s stem player, and controlling your audience

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:36

      How come when people were talking about pulling their stuff off Spotify, they didn't say, "Go put your, go put your music on a, a Black, uh, platform, uh, streaming platform?"

   2. BMBrian Moses8:44

      No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:44

      Do they have music streaming platforms-

   4. BMBrian Moses8:45

      Yeah, nigga.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      ... for Black people?

   6. BMBrian Moses8:46

      Yeah, nigga. TIDAL, Jay-Z own one.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      No, they sold that to Twitter, right? Or Jack Dorsey?

   8. BMBrian Moses8:50

      Oh, I don't know the business of some shit, dog. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:52

      They did? (laughs)

   10. BMBrian Moses8:53

       I thought that Jay, Jay w- you know, sh- shout out to Jay-Z. He was the first-

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       Yeah.

   12. BMBrian Moses8:56

       ... motherfucker to do that. You know what I mean? So, uh, I-

   13. FGFreddie Gibbs9:00

       What did, what did Kanye do? He did some crazy thing where he, he... You have to buy a recor- a player-

   14. BMBrian Moses9:04

       Oh.

   15. FGFreddie Gibbs9:05

       ... to listen to his music.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Genius. The nigger is-

   17. BMBrian Moses9:07

       He sold-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       Genius. He did the, he did the, the Louis C.K. thing, basically. Like, "You gotta go to my website and buy this shit."

   19. BMBrian Moses9:11

       He sold... You gotta go buy a Walkman-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       Right. (laughs)

   21. BMBrian Moses9:12

       ... to listen to Kanye new shit.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       It really is. Like, what is this?

   23. BMBrian Moses9:15

       The stem-

   24. FGFreddie Gibbs9:15

       Okay.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       Oh.

   26. FGFreddie Gibbs9:16

       A stem player.

   27. BMBrian Moses9:17

       Oh, shit. I thought-

   28. FGFreddie Gibbs9:18

       So it, it looks like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       I'm on mine today but-

   30. BMBrian Moses9:19

       I thought that was a vibrator.
6. 10:39 – 12:12

   Remixes, mashups, and the awkward pivot into celebrity scandals

   1. FGFreddie Gibbs10:39

      Have you ever heard when they put Biggie in with the White Album?

   2. BMBrian Moses10:42

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:42

      Right.

   4. FGFreddie Gibbs10:43

      It's amazing.

   5. BMBrian Moses10:44

      Jay-Z and, uh, the, the Beatles?

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:45

      Right.

   7. FGFreddie Gibbs10:45

      Yeah, they put J... No-

   8. BMBrian Moses10:46

      Oh, oh, oh, that's, that's not a re-

   9. FGFreddie Gibbs10:47

      Yeah.

   10. BMBrian Moses10:47

       That's the mashup shit. I don't know why you got to...

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Right, right.

   12. FGFreddie Gibbs10:48

       But a bunch of people have done these.

   13. BMBrian Moses10:50

       R. Kelly is the king of the remix.

   14. FGFreddie Gibbs10:51

       And just individual songs, you know. But the J- the Jay-Z and the White Album, 99 Problems ... Well, they did 99 Problems with Hendrix, too.

   15. BMBrian Moses10:58

       Right.

   16. FGFreddie Gibbs10:58

       Did you ever hear that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:58

       No.

   18. FGFreddie Gibbs10:59

       It's amazing.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:00

       Yeah, send that to me.

   20. FGFreddie Gibbs11:00

       It's Voodoo Child mixed with 99 Problems. It's outstanding.

   21. BMBrian Moses11:05

       Hmm. I'm with it. Let's go.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:07

       Yeah.

   23. FGFreddie Gibbs11:07

       Yeah.

   24. BMBrian Moses11:07

       We can't talk about remixes without R. Kelly, man. He put the R in R&B, man.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:10

       I thought Puffy created the, uh, the remix.

   26. BMBrian Moses11:13

       R. Kelly, uh, uh... R. Kelly do some fire remixes too, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       He do some fire remixes, yeah.

   28. BMBrian Moses11:17

       See, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy remixed... Diddy did a remix, nigga, too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       R. Kelly is a very talented pedophile. (laughs)

   30. BMBrian Moses11:24

       Damn, man.
7. 12:12 – 15:20

   Age-of-consent laws, ‘Euphoria,’ and how media portrays teen sexuality

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:12

      13 year old cousin.

   2. BMBrian Moses12:12

      For Joe outta context.

   3. FGFreddie Gibbs12:13

      He had a 13 year old cousin who married her.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:16

      Okay.

   5. FGFreddie Gibbs12:16

      Yo.

   6. BMBrian Moses12:17

      ... all right, so we- we cancel him-

   7. FGFreddie Gibbs12:18

      A tabloid sensation at the time, tarnished Lewis' reputation and did some damage to his career. So, in 1958-

   8. BMBrian Moses12:24

      Some damage.

   9. FGFreddie Gibbs12:24

      ... in some parts of the country, you could still marry a 13-year-old. That's what we're learning. Like, that's how crazy the world has changed in the short amount of time.

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:34

       Damn.

   11. BMBrian Moses12:34

       Yeah, that's-

   12. FGFreddie Gibbs12:35

       That since 1958, in 1958 he thought it was totally normal to marry a 13-year-old while he was famous.

   13. BMBrian Moses12:40

       I think in some of these states, like, the legal age of consent's still, like, teen shit.

   14. FGFreddie Gibbs12:44

       Oh, yeah.

   15. BMBrian Moses12:44

       There's some country monkey redneck shit going on in this motherfucker.

   16. FGFreddie Gibbs12:48

       Let's take a guess.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       (laughs)

   18. FGFreddie Gibbs12:49

       Let's take a guess. What do you think the youngest age of consent in this country is? Let's just take a guess.

   19. BMBrian Moses12:53

       16.

   20. FGFreddie Gibbs12:54

       16?

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       14, I think, in, in some states.

   22. BMBrian Moses12:57

       Yeah.

   23. FGFreddie Gibbs12:57

       I bet it's different for f-

   24. BMBrian Moses12:59

       Sick fuck.

   25. FGFreddie Gibbs12:59

       I bet it's different for boys.

   26. BMBrian Moses13:01

       Whoa.

   27. FGFreddie Gibbs13:01

       I bet, I bet there's an age consent for boys that's younger than that.

   28. BMBrian Moses13:05

       Oh, no.

   29. FGFreddie Gibbs13:05

       I think there is.

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       Interesting. Why is that?
8. 15:20 – 24:21

   Soft White Underbelly, Appalachia, addiction, and the ‘bootstraps’ myth

   1. FGFreddie Gibbs15:20

      You got no guidance. I've been, uh, watching this YouTube series, it's called Soft White Underbelly. Have you heard of it?

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      No. (laughs)

   3. BMBrian Moses15:27

      The fuck?

   4. FGFreddie Gibbs15:28

      Dude, I'm telling you, it's fucking crazy. It's a, it's a great YouTube, uh, s- uh, channel, and one of the things it has on it is this, uh, inbred family-

   5. BMBrian Moses15:38

      Huh.

   6. FGFreddie Gibbs15:38

      ... from the Appalachian Mountains. Dude, it's the craziest shit. There's one guy, barks like a dog.

   7. BMBrian Moses15:44

      What?

   8. FGFreddie Gibbs15:44

      Yeah, this was a guy who's a mountain man.

   9. BMBrian Moses15:46

      Oh, geez.

   10. FGFreddie Gibbs15:46

       They had him up there, but-

   11. BMBrian Moses15:47

       Fuck.

   12. FGFreddie Gibbs15:48

       ... he also, he, he interviews gambling addicts. He interviews people that are, uh, hooked on crystal meth. He interviewed a few meth heads, a skin head. He interviewed a con man. It's... I've watched like, 10 of 'em over the last week. It's a great-

   13. BMBrian Moses16:01

       Good Lord, yo.

   14. FGFreddie Gibbs16:01

       The guy's great. He just-

   15. BMBrian Moses16:02

       They out there.

   16. FGFreddie Gibbs16:03

       He just lets these people-

   17. BMBrian Moses16:05

       Where the fuck is the dental plan?

   18. FGFreddie Gibbs16:06

       ... express themselves. Where's the dental plan? In the Appalachians? They don't have a dental plan.

   19. BMBrian Moses16:10

       What the fuck?

   20. FGFreddie Gibbs16:10

       They don't even have toothbrushes with that dude-

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       (laughs)

   22. FGFreddie Gibbs16:13

       Guys, when that guy was growing up, I bet they had no toothbrushes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Aren't they like, "Oh, shoot."

   24. FGFreddie Gibbs16:16

       He, he has three teeth.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Don't they-

   26. BMBrian Moses16:18

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Ain't they, like, coal miners and shit out there?

   28. FGFreddie Gibbs16:20

       In some areas, yeah. I mean-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Damn.

   30. FGFreddie Gibbs16:21

       ... in some areas. There's, there's parts of Appalachia that are, like, gentrified now, where they have, like, regular houses and normal people, and it's like a, um-
9. 24:21 – 28:52

   Ukraine war primer: NATO fears, propaganda, drones, and video-game warfare

   1. FGFreddie Gibbs24:21

      There's a crazy war going on right now in Russia.

   2. BMBrian Moses24:23

      Yeah.

   3. FGFreddie Gibbs24:24

      And I s- I sp- no, excuse me, in Ukraine. I- I've been, I spent the last day and a half watching videos on it, trying to figure out what the fuck is going on, and it's complicated.... is really complicated. But what it seems is that Russia is worried that, um, Ukraine has massive reserves of oil and of gas.

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:44

      Oh.

   5. FGFreddie Gibbs24:44

      And so Russia took over Crimea. And Crimea, uh, it denies them access to a lot of their coastline when Russia did that. And then, um, Ukraine was apparently ... They were trying to, or at least in talks, to join NATO. I'm sorry if I fucking any this up because I'm just remembering what I read-

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:04

      Oh, new compilation coming out.

   7. FGFreddie Gibbs25:05

      ... and what I watch in videos. But what they're essentially saying is that Crimea and, and Ukraine, like, they, they want that for the natural resources. And also, because if that was NATO owned, if, if they were part of NATO rather, then they could park missiles in Ukraine-

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:21

      Yeah.

   9. FGFreddie Gibbs25:21

      ... and point them towards Russia. It's, it's wild shit-

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:23

       That's what I was reading, basically. It was like, uh, yeah.

   11. FGFreddie Gibbs25:24

       ... because they used to all be in the same country not that long ago.

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:26

       Right. Well, yeah, NATO and Russia obviously don't get along.

   13. FGFreddie Gibbs25:29

       They were all part of the Soviet Union.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       So it's like, yeah, if there's a sovereign nation being like, "Hey," like flirting with NATO, they're like-

   15. FGFreddie Gibbs25:32

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       ... "No, I don't want your military bases here." Like-

   17. FGFreddie Gibbs25:34

       It's, well, it's obviously horrific.

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:35

       That's, that's gonna create World War III.

   19. FGFreddie Gibbs25:37

       It's obviously horrific.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:38

       Sheesh.

   21. FGFreddie Gibbs25:38

       I'm not, I'm not, um, in any way saying that I'm on, uh, you know, the side of the Russians in any way. I'm not ... I'm definitely not. But what I'm saying is, like, this, this is what's going on. It's like a ... I'm just trying to relay the information as I know it, as what the conflict is, without a judgment. I'm not making any judgment. I see all these people making these judgments on, um, whether or not, uh, this is a good war or a bad war. And I'm like, "Man, how much do we know?" How much, how much time has anybody spent studying Ukraine, Russian-

   22. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       There's no such thing as good war.

   23. FGFreddie Gibbs26:10

       With an ... No such thing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's an oxym-

   25. FGFreddie Gibbs26:12

       No such thing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       That's crazy.

   27. FGFreddie Gibbs26:13

       When you got missiles that are firing into apartment buildings-

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       (laughs)

   29. FGFreddie Gibbs26:17

       ... like, there's no way those are the good guys.

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       There's ... No.
10. 28:52 – 32:18

    UFOs vs. secret tech, tribal psychology, and Columbus-era brutality

    1. FGFreddie Gibbs28:52

       ... the more I think these UFO sightings, a lot of these UFO sightings are military aircraft they're developing.

    2. JRJoe Rogan28:58

       Mm.

    3. FGFreddie Gibbs28:58

       The more I think about it, the more I think about how willing they are to talk about it. They're, they're willing to talk about the fact that, um, you know, that there are these ships that they can't track and they're moving at insane rates of speed. They're willing to talk about it. It's, like, one of two things. Either it's aliens or they've developed some kind of crazy technology, some anti-gravitational technology.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       I think it's aliens.

    5. FGFreddie Gibbs29:22

       It could be. But it might not be. That's the thing.

    6. GUGuest29:25

       Why, why is there so much defense?

    7. FGFreddie Gibbs29:25

       It's like we, we can develop a lot of shit. We can develop nuclear power. We can develop, we, we can develop, uh, nuclear missiles, hypersonic jets, jets that go faster than the speed of sound, spaceships. We can develop a lot of shit.

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       I think that-

    9. FGFreddie Gibbs29:38

       Like, if they could just figure out a way to develop something that distorts gravity-

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:43

        (laughs)

    11. FGFreddie Gibbs29:43

        ... you know, because this has always been the thought of it.

    12. JRJoe Rogan29:44

        (laughs) Okay.

    13. FGFreddie Gibbs29:45

        Like, a thing that can distort gravity can act instead of like a p- ... Like, uh, Bob Lazar talked about this when he talked about back engineering UFOs.

    14. GUGuest29:52

        Mm-hmm.

    15. FGFreddie Gibbs29:52

        Instead of, like, blowing fire out of the back of a rocket, there's something that just distorts gravity. It can go to a place almost instantaneously.

    16. GUGuest30:00

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan30:00

        Yo, we need that. Sheesh.

    18. FGFreddie Gibbs30:01

        They're, they're gonna figure that out, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan30:03

        'Cause it was, yeah, airplanes and air travel is weak right now.

    20. FGFreddie Gibbs30:05

        Ah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan30:06

        Give me that shit.

    22. FGFreddie Gibbs30:07

        It'll be instantaneous.

    23. JRJoe Rogan30:08

        What's up with all the defense of humans versus humans, though? I mean, like, I know it's human nature, but maybe it's an earthling thing even. But we spend so much money and so much brain power on just, like, defending each other from each other. I mean-

    24. FGFreddie Gibbs30:18

        Yeah. Well-

    25. JRJoe Rogan30:19

        ... what's the point?

    26. FGFreddie Gibbs30:19

        Not ... But very rarely individually.... the thing is it's almost all in groups. We're fucked because our heritage, all of our ancestors came from these small groups of people-

    27. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        Mm-hmm.

    28. FGFreddie Gibbs30:30

        ... that huddled up together to stay alive, and everybody outside of our group was the enemy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan30:35

        Yep.

    30. FGFreddie Gibbs30:35

        So we all have this programming that sucks, and this programming is based on ancient history. It's based on a time when there was no internet, there was no international travel, there was no... Like, everywhere you went, if a boat showed up on your, your shore, those were murderers. Those were, like, eight, eight times out of ten. (door closing)
11. 32:18 – 53:44

    Lost civilizations, psychedelics at Chichén Itzá, and human origins shocks

    1. FGFreddie Gibbs32:18

       They killed everybody in the Amazon. Dude, they're finding civilizations in the Amazon that housed millions of people, and they're finding 'em through this thing called LIDAR-

    2. JRJoe Rogan32:27

       Mm-hmm.

    3. FGFreddie Gibbs32:27

       ... where they fly over in jets, because the jungle's overtaken all these cities. So there used to be cities of millions of people in the Amazon.

    4. JRJoe Rogan32:35

       Really?

    5. FGFreddie Gibbs32:35

       And the Europeans showed up, and they just got 'em sick, and everybody died. And then when people came back to look for these cities, like, 50 years later, they were gone, just like Detroit's almost gone. Detroit's got houses-

    6. JRJoe Rogan32:46

       Yeah.

    7. FGFreddie Gibbs32:46

       ... where trees are growing-

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:47

       Oh.

    9. FGFreddie Gibbs32:47

       ... in the middle of it.

    10. JRJoe Rogan32:47

        Yeah, real shit. (laughs)

    11. FGFreddie Gibbs32:48

        But this is even crazier, because it's in the middle of the jungle, so it's happening quicker.

    12. JRJoe Rogan32:52

        Right. Yo, okay. (laughs) Europeans just came over and just murked everybody?

    13. FGFreddie Gibbs32:56

        Murked everybody. Murked everybody with their cooties.

    14. JRJoe Rogan32:59

        (laughs) Yeah.

    15. FGFreddie Gibbs33:00

        Europeans came over here with their cooties, and the biggest-

    16. JRJoe Rogan33:03

        They put smallpox on blankets.

    17. FGFreddie Gibbs33:04

        No, no, no, that's a myth, man.

    18. JRJoe Rogan33:06

        That's a myth?

    19. FGFreddie Gibbs33:06

        Yeah, most likely.

    20. JRJoe Rogan33:07

        They should tell us that in school.

    21. FGFreddie Gibbs33:08

        Most likely. I, I heard about that too, and I looked into it. They don't think they isolated smallpox that way. They don't think they understood it that way.

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:15

        I was gonna say, that, that was, that'd be pretty fucking genius. Well, they made-

    23. FGFreddie Gibbs33:17

        It would be, but the-

    24. JRJoe Rogan33:18

        ... they made COVID, for sure. Right. (laughs)

    25. FGFreddie Gibbs33:20

        The thing is, is they, they probably did that.

    26. JRJoe Rogan33:21

        'Cause it's airborne, so yeah-

    27. FGFreddie Gibbs33:22

        It, ar-

    28. JRJoe Rogan33:22

        ... they was getting the shit.

    29. FGFreddie Gibbs33:23

        It's, everybody was getting it, so, and it killed 90% of the Native Americans. 90% of 'em, man. That is the wi- I mean, you think about a disease that kills nine out of ten people, and it just swept through the entire continent. And, you know, all the Mayans, they were trying to figure out, what the, where the fuck did these people go?

    30. JRJoe Rogan33:42

        Oh.
12. 53:44 – 58:28

    Ancient travel theories: Olmec heads, Polynesian navigation, and Hawaii history

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:44

       I think some niggas was here in America before we... before slavery. I think we was here already.

    2. FGFreddie Gibbs53:47

       That's what Hotep Jesus believes.

    3. GUGuest53:49

       Yeah, I believe that.

    4. FGFreddie Gibbs53:49

       Yeah, Hotep Jesus was telling me that on my podcast, and I was like, "Well, why not?" People traveled from everywhere.

    5. GUGuest53:55

       Well, the first ship builders, they said they were Africans.

    6. FGFreddie Gibbs53:58

       Were they really?

    7. GUGuest53:59

       Yeah, you can look that one up, yeah. First ship builders were Africans.

    8. FGFreddie Gibbs54:00

       Well, that makes sense 'cause Egypt's in Africa, man.

    9. GUGuest54:02

       Right, they used to build-

    10. FGFreddie Gibbs54:03

        I mean, it's not a-

    11. GUGuest54:03

        ... ships for everybody.

    12. FGFreddie Gibbs54:04

        Yeah.

    13. GUGuest54:04

        Right?

    14. FGFreddie Gibbs54:05

        Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh-

    15. JRJoe Rogan54:06

        So if a nigga had a ship, a nigga could go any fucking way he wanted. So if you look at some of the old Olmecs, they had huge noses.

    16. FGFreddie Gibbs54:12

        Exactly. Exactly.

    17. GUGuest54:12

        I mean, they... (laughs)

    18. FGFreddie Gibbs54:13

        No, look at... Let's pull that up. Pull up an image of the Olmec. The Olmec look absolutely African in their features.

    19. GUGuest54:19

        Yeah.

    20. FGFreddie Gibbs54:19

        Absolutely. And the Olmec, they don't even know who the fuck they were.

    21. GUGuest54:23

        Exactly, so-

    22. FGFreddie Gibbs54:24

        And this, you know, the Olmec were here like 6,000 years ago or something crazy like that. They, they don't even know who they were. Look at that. Come on.

    23. GUGuest54:29

        See what I mean?

    24. FGFreddie Gibbs54:30

        Look at those, look at those pictures.

    25. GUGuest54:30

        Those are, those are black people?

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:31

        Them is niggas.

    27. GUGuest54:32

        (laughs) I know that nigga right there, actually.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:34

        I know that nigga. I know him, man.

    29. FGFreddie Gibbs54:35

        Nah. You know what he could be though? Polynesian, Samoan.

    30. GUGuest54:38

        Right.
13. 58:28 – 1:10:36

    Sextants, Isaac Newton rabbit hole, and back to sports violence (hockey fighting)

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:28

       Mm-mm.

    2. FGFreddie Gibbs58:29

       A sextant is this thing, it looks like a, like a measuring device. And they, they would use it to, to track the stars.

    3. GUGuest58:37

       Mm-hmm.

    4. FGFreddie Gibbs58:37

       See if you can find what a sextant looks like. They ha- I, I think they had those-

    5. JRJoe Rogan58:41

       1700s, all right.

    6. FGFreddie Gibbs58:42

       ... at those, at the time. Find out when the, when it was the sextant was made, too. But the sextant was a way, a primitive way to track the, like, the constellations. And they would travel across the ocean using them. Those guys were risk-taking motherfuckers, bro.

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