Joe Rogan Experience #1789 - Tom Papa

Narrator 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And we're up. Oh, hi Tom Papa.

Tom Papa 0:15 Oh, good to see you, Joe.

Joe Rogan 0:17 You are the man that brings the bags.

Tom Papa 0:19 Ah.

Joe Rogan 0:20 You bring, you bring the brown paper bags, and-

Tom Papa 0:22 Joe, I was so happy to bring you bread that I was in Colorado doing shows, flew home, had my wife feed the starter. I shoulda come right here. But I w-

Joe Rogan 0:34 Feed the starter?

Tom Papa 0:35 But I wouldn't have (laughs) been able to bring you bread. So I flew home... (laughs) This is so sick. I flew home just for 24 hours so I could bake the bread and then, uh, get back on a plane and bring it to you.

Joe Rogan 0:46 Wow.

Tom Papa 0:46 But I feel like you haven't had it in so long.

Joe Rogan 0:49 You're the only one I'll eat bread from.

Tom Papa 0:50 I know.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Uh, no, I'm not, I'm lying. I had a piece of bread-

Tom Papa 0:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:54 ... this, uh, Saturday after the fights. I did have a piece of bread with butter.

Tom Papa 0:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:58 It was pretty damn good.

Tom Papa 1:00 Well, I, uh, I'm happy to do it. And I've, I made a, I made one regular loaf, I'm not sure which is which. But one regular loaf and one olive loaf.

Joe Rogan 1:10 Ooh.

Tom Papa 1:10 Which has green and kalamata olives, lemon zest, and herbs de Provence. And I hadn't made that in probably a year, and that, the house was just filled with the smell of the bread.

Joe Rogan 1:24 Mm.

Tom Papa 1:24 It was so great. And then (laughs) flying here, the only thing in my carry-on was bread.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Wow.

Tom Papa 1:30 I looked, 'cause it baked yesterday. Here, I'll let you open it with your hands.

Joe Rogan 1:34 Oh my goodness.

Tom Papa 1:35 And, uh, yeah, if-

Joe Rogan 1:37 It's so dense.

Tom Papa 1:38 If Jamie, if Jamie could get a piece of it, he would probably be grateful.

Narrator 1:40 Did TSA check that hard or was there clear to pull it?

Tom Papa 1:43 (laughs) It smells so good, it filled my hotel room up.

Joe Rogan 1:46 Yeah.

Narrator 1:46 (laughs) You could bake fentanyl in there.

Tom Papa 1:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:48 (laughs) .

Tom Papa 1:49 So let me see which one that is. Does that have olive on it?

Joe Rogan 1:51 I think this is olive.

Tom Papa 1:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:52 It's the olive one, yeah.

Tom Papa 1:52 Doesn't that smell beautiful?

Joe Rogan 1:54 It does. It's so dense.

Tom Papa 1:56 Yeah, it's a pretty heavy bread.

Joe Rogan 1:57 I was reading about a woman who got caught at the border. She had a, uh, she's a pregnant lady.

Tom Papa 2:03 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:03 And she had a, like a rubber container filled with fentanyl stuffed up her cooch.

Tom Papa 2:09 (laughs) What?

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 2:10 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 2:11 Which, you know, that stuff kills you if it's just a small amount.

Tom Papa 2:15 Geez.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Like she had enough to kill everyone she's ever met.

Tom Papa 2:18 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 2:19 What is fentanyl? That's, uh...

Joe Rogan 2:20 It's an opioid. It's a, an opioid that is, um, highly, highly potent.

Tom Papa 2:27 Geez.

Joe Rogan 2:28 It's like hundreds of times more potent than heroin, I believe.

Tom Papa 2:31 Geez.

Joe Rogan 2:31 The amount of fentanyl that kills you is so small. There it is, "pregnant drug runner nabbed smuggling fentanyl in her vagina."

Narrator 2:39 It looks like an eggplant.

Tom Papa 2:39 Aye yi-yi.

Joe Rogan 2:40 Like an eggplant? (laughs)

Narrator 2:42 (laughs)

Tom Papa 2:42 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:43 Look, it's-

Tom Papa 2:43 It's like in a condom.

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah. It's, she wrapped it in a condom too.

Tom Papa 2:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 2:46 All it says, "Just say no to drugs," on the, uh, the ruler.

Tom Papa 2:49 How did they discover that?

Joe Rogan 2:51 They fingered her.

Tom Papa 2:52 (laughs) . Well, that's pretty-

Joe Rogan 2:54 I mean, there's only one way.

Tom Papa 2:54 ... that's a random search.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Yeah, that is a, an interesting question.

Tom Papa 2:57 Right? Like, how do you pick that person out of the line?

Joe Rogan 2:59 It's a quarter pound. She voluntarily removed it.

Tom Papa 3:00 She had a quarter pound. 'Cause she's waddling through security. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:03 19 years old and pregnant.

Tom Papa 3:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 3:06 "19-year-old US citizen was flagged for secondary inspection."

Tom Papa 3:09 Poor girl. What is, why is-

Joe Rogan 3:10 Uh, you know what, man?

Tom Papa 3:11 ... why is she faced with that?

Joe Rogan 3:12 Yeah, you know, I mean, she's fucking in a terrible situation, I'm sure.

Tom Papa 3:15 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:17 Just, just w- gingerly walking through security. (laughs) Ugh, it's terrible.

Joe Rogan 3:21 It says, oh, a drug s-

Narrator 3:23 That's a different story.

Joe Rogan 3:23 ... canine dog alerted, ruff.

Tom Papa 3:25 Ah.

Joe Rogan 3:25 So the dog's barking in her pussy.

Tom Papa 3:27 Oh my god.

Joe Rogan 3:28 (laughs)

Tom Papa 3:28 Oh, that's terrible.

Joe Rogan 3:30 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Tom Papa 3:31 Fentanyl. Well, I felt pretty, uh, pretty s- pretty high risk coming with the bread. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:36 (laughs)

Tom Papa 3:36 It's literally my wheelie bag and these two big loaves of bread. You just smell it and I got on the-

Joe Rogan 3:41 Did people ask you, "What's in that bag?"

Tom Papa 3:42 No, they didn't open it. They didn't open it.

Joe Rogan 3:44 No?

Tom Papa 3:44 No, I thought they-

Joe Rogan 3:45 You look like a safe guy.

Tom Papa 3:46 ... I wa- (laughs) I wa- Right, I could pr- I should be r- getting fentanyl in my wheelie bag.

Joe Rogan 3:50 Yeah.

Tom Papa 3:50 I thought that, uh, I was looking forward to it. I wanted the, I wanted the story of them like going through the bread and being like, "It's sourdough."

Joe Rogan 3:59 Imagine if they cut it open though.

Tom Papa 4:00 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 4:01 Oh, you monsters.

Tom Papa 4:03 You know what? That's a pretty good smuggling technique, just sneak-

Joe Rogan 4:08 Yeah.

Tom Papa 4:08 ... stuff in the bread.

Joe Rogan 4:09 Right.

Tom Papa 4:10 When you're putting in the olives, also put in the whatever.

Joe Rogan 4:12 Right. If you could have like something-

Tom Papa 4:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:13 ... that's like got good thermal dynamics that you could like put in the center of the dough.

Tom Papa 4:18 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Is that the right word, thermal dynamics?

Tom Papa 4:20 Sure.

Joe Rogan 4:20 Something that could withstand heat.

Tom Papa 4:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:22 In the center of it.

Tom Papa 4:23 You have to bake it.

Joe Rogan 4:24 Like some sort of screw down metal container that's like-

Tom Papa 4:27 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:28 ... insulated.

Tom Papa 4:29 Uh-huh. Shove it in there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:32 Yeah. What is this? Like, oh my god.

Tom Papa 4:33 Look at these people smuggling booze in bread. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:36 Oh, but that's like a loaf of bread. Is that like at a stadium when they're going to see a game or something?

Tom Papa 4:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 4:42 You know, when I worked as a, um-

Tom Papa 4:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:45 ... as a security guard, we used to always catch people smuggling booze into concerts.

Tom Papa 4:49 Where were you, oh, at a-

Joe Rogan 4:50 Great Woods.

Tom Papa 4:51 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 4:51 I was at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts.

Tom Papa 4:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 4:54 It's in Mansfield, Massachusetts. And they, we would have garbage bales, like these big garbage cans fi- plastic garbage cans filled with booze the other night.

Tom Papa 5:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:04 No kidding. 'Cause so many people brought booze.

Tom Papa 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 And then we'd have to search their bags.

Tom Papa 5:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:08 We'd have to take the booze and we'd just put it in their, their bucket. And we always...

Tom Papa 5:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:12 And then we got to take, take it home. Like they would just give us the booze.

Tom Papa 5:15 Wow. There's that thing in, uh, in sh- in O'Hare. That you've heard of the pot thing?

Joe Rogan 5:19 Yeah, you get to chuck-

Tom Papa 5:20 The pot bin?

Joe Rogan 5:20 ... the pot in there, yeah.

Tom Papa 5:21 Yeah, you gotta chuck your pot in there.

Joe Rogan 5:22 That's in Vegas too.

Tom Papa 5:24 Oh yeah?

Narrator 5:24 Vegas has one of those. And Chica- it's, on Chicago's it's inside the security line though.

Tom Papa 5:28 Right.

Narrator 5:29 Like, it's, you're already past security and then the, the amnesty bin is there.

Tom Papa 5:34 Right.

Narrator 5:34 So it's like if you got past it and now you're, I think, you-

Tom Papa 5:37 Oh, it's up to you? It's y-

Narrator 5:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Tom Papa 5:39 ... uh, your free will? (laughs)

Narrator 5:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:41 Well, it depends on where you're landing, right? Because, you know-

Tom Papa 5:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:43 ... first of all, nowhere where you land do they check you when you land. You're already-

Tom Papa 5:47 Never.

Joe Rogan 5:47 ... you're, you gotta be a real piece of shit for them to check you when you land. (laughs)

Tom Papa 5:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:53 I mean...

Tom Papa 5:54 It's really-

Joe Rogan 5:54 They're like, "Pull that fucking guy off the plane."

Tom Papa 5:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:57 You know what I mean? If they're checking you when you-

Tom Papa 5:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:59 ... you're already on the plane. You made it through security.

Tom Papa 6:02 (laughs) And then you-

Joe Rogan 6:02 You got on the plane. You flew somewhere.

Tom Papa 6:04 Yeah, and just completely act like a maniac in the sky and then they flag you.

Joe Rogan 6:08 Oh, you look so sketchy.

Tom Papa 6:08 I had a guy yesterday getting... I'm waiting to board last night to come and, uh, a guy comes up and he just, you know, it's pulls his mask down.... just big beard and (laughs) he's just like, "How's it going? Why aren't we boarding?" I'm like, "Ca- uh, you know." I was just being friendly. I'm like, "You know, the pilot's waiting for the," whatever, and it just becomes clear he's drunk. He's-

Joe Rogan 6:32 Mm.

Tom Papa 6:33 ... just hammered.

Joe Rogan 6:34 (laughs)

Tom Papa 6:34 Hammered, and he starts talking about comedy, and he's saying it so lou- and he just want, he just low key. Let's, it's a nice-

Joe Rogan 6:41 Did he know who you were?

Tom Papa 6:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Oh, boy.

Tom Papa 6:42 And I'm just like, "Let's just get on the plane." "No, man. Tell me, like, who's your, like, who's your favorite comedian-"

Joe Rogan 6:52 (laughs)

Tom Papa 6:52 "... all time?" Dude. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:55 Jerry Lewis. (laughs)

Tom Papa 7:00 (laughs) He wouldn't stop. And then he does it, and I'm f- being nice, and he's peppering me with questions, and at a point I was like, "Okay, I, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude. I'm just tired. Let's just, let's just get on." And he's like, "Oh, my bad. My bad. That's okay." I'm like, "It's okay. Are, are you, uh..." And I asked him something about himself. I didn't wanna think I'm just like-

Joe Rogan 7:19 Right.

Tom Papa 7:19 ... ghosting him. And he had this very like kinda little sad story he was telling.

Joe Rogan 7:23 Mm.

Tom Papa 7:23 And then he, he's like, they go, "Okay, (laughs) we're boarding group one." He's like, "Let's go." (laughs) And I'm like, "We're a team now."

Joe Rogan 7:30 Oh, boy.

Tom Papa 7:31 And I'm like, "Why are we a team?" And he goes, "I'm not number, I'm not group one, but I do this all the time." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:37 Oh, no.

Tom Papa 7:37 And he goes up and he gives the woman, uh, the gate agent th- his thing, and she gives it back, and then goes, "Uh, John. John." And he starts picking up speed to get into the gates. She goes, "No, no, no, no, no, no. You're group three. You have to go back." He's like, "Ah." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:54 "Ah."

Tom Papa 7:54 And he goes back. He just totally knew-

Joe Rogan 7:57 (laughs)

Tom Papa 7:57 ... this is how he operates.

Joe Rogan 7:58 A lot of people do that. They try to sneak in. I've seen it-

Tom Papa 8:01 It's so gross.

Joe Rogan 8:01 ... multiple times.

Tom Papa 8:02 It's so gross.

Joe Rogan 8:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 8:03 Just-

Joe Rogan 8:04 It's a weird move.

Tom Papa 8:04 It is a weird move.

Joe Rogan 8:06 Yeah.

Tom Papa 8:06 And then just, you know, why are you special? Y- you know, it's like kindergarten cutting.

Joe Rogan 8:11 Well, people panic when there's a line. They, almost like they think they're not gonna get let on.

Tom Papa 8:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:16 It's like, "I gotta get on that plane now."

Tom Papa 8:18 (laughs) Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:18 "They're not gonna let me on."

Tom Papa 8:19 Everyone's getting on. Everyone's getting on.

Joe Rogan 8:21 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 8:21 You'll be fine.

Joe Rogan 8:23 Yeah.

Tom Papa 8:23 Do you wanna sit in your seat that much longer? I mean, who cares?

Joe Rogan 8:26 Flying freaks people the fuck out, man. How many people get dr- I mean, it's one of the weird places where you could drink at 8:00 in the morning.

Tom Papa 8:32 Oh.

Joe Rogan 8:32 You know, you go to the airport, they have booze there.

Tom Papa 8:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:34 On the flight they have booze.

Tom Papa 8:35 Everybody's drinking. Everybody's getting hammered.

Joe Rogan 8:37 You know it's strange they give you a drug?

Tom Papa 8:39 It-

Joe Rogan 8:39 They give you a drug.

Tom Papa 8:40 It's scary, especially if you don't fly all the time. Like, a lot of these people, this is probably their one flight of the year, you know?

Joe Rogan 8:46 If that, yeah.

Tom Papa 8:46 And, yeah, and freaked out, and they're getting on there, and they're sweaty and nervous. Give me something.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Right, but it's also, it's weird that there's a very specific drug that you're allowed to consume and they'll provide it for you.

Tom Papa 8:58 Right. They-

Joe Rogan 8:58 Y-

Tom Papa 8:59 They should be handing out edibles at the end of security.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:01 You ever been to the golf course at 7:30?

Joe Rogan 9:02 What? Say-

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:02 You ever been to the golf course at 7:30 in the morning? (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:04 Oh yeah, but that's not, that's... But that's not because they're worried you're nervous.

Tom Papa 9:08 Yeah.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:09 Well, there's just a bunch of drunks-

Tom Papa 9:10 (laughs)

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:10 ... driving around in carts and with weapons and-

Tom Papa 9:14 I s- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:14 A golf club is kind of a weapon.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:16 (laughs)

Tom Papa 9:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:17 But that's a weapon like your car is a weapon. It's not a weapon on...

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:20 You should see the videos.

Tom Papa 9:21 Maybe I guess it's more-

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:21 It's, there's some wild shit that happens on golf courses.

Tom Papa 9:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:23 People get in fights with golf clubs?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:24 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:25 Oh, really?

Tom Papa 9:26 Really?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Really?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:26 Oh, yeah. There's some crazy videos. People, 'cause they're talking shit and then like there's also the group in front of you. If they're-

Joe Rogan 9:32 Oh.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:32 ... fucking with your play and then all of a sudden someones mouth's off.

Tom Papa 9:34 Start hitting up on 'em.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:35 Oh, yeah. You got four-

Joe Rogan 9:36 Yeah people-

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:36 ... eight dudes fighting basically.

Joe Rogan 9:37 ... get very tense about a guy in front of them that's going slow, right?

Tom Papa 9:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 9:41 Is that the thing?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:42 Or the-

Tom Papa 9:42 Yeah.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:42 ... or the guy behind him. They, like, I just had this weekend-

Joe Rogan 9:45 Going too fast?

Tom Papa 9:45 Or if they're rushing.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:46 'Cause there's, it was a big holdup. The group behind having a lot of fun. The one guy's there all the time, he's loud, drunk as shit, having a good time.

Tom Papa 9:53 Uh-huh.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:53 Eight beers deep but like, "Hey man, shut the F up." Like, "We're out here."

Joe Rogan 9:58 Yeah.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:58 "We're having a good time."

Tom Papa 9:59 Right.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 9:59 "We're not involved with you."

Tom Papa 10:01 Right.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:02 It's... I don't know what you're supposed to do.

Tom Papa 10:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:03 Now, when you have like a fancy place, like you go to a fancy place, right?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:06 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 There-

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:06 They're supposed to be able to call a guy and they're supposed to come out and be the mediator, but like-

Joe Rogan 10:11 But what if that guy is like some oil barron's son-

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:13 100%:

Joe Rogan 10:14 ... that kinda shit happens?

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:15 Yep, yep.

Tom Papa 10:15 Right. (laughs)

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:16 Good luck.

Joe Rogan 10:17 Annoying.

Guest (unidentified additional voice) 10:18 Good luck.

Tom Papa 10:18 I was with, um, I did a show in, uh, in Colorado, and there was a, some flight attendants in the front row. And they came up at the end when I was signing books and they wanted to talk about, 'cause I talk about... Oh, I, I, I have a line in my act about, uh, l- like l- the, what it is to be a good person now. The bar has been really lowered. Like, if you get on an airplane and don't punch a flight attendant straight in the face, you're a pretty good guy, (laughs) you know? Like, and, uh, they came up and wanted to talk about the stories and stuff about how insane this last year has been.

Joe Rogan 10:53 Oh, sure, because you're trying to get people, first of all, just to sit down and buckle those, their seatbelt and not lean their seat back as hard. Now you gotta get 'em to keep their fucking masks on.

Tom Papa 11:03 The masks on and no, no alcohol for a long time. She said her daughter worked for Jet Blue and she had, she got in a physical altercation on Jet Blue, her daughter.

Joe Rogan 11:14 Oh.

Tom Papa 11:15 And, uh, yeah. She said, "I think that they're going to stop the masks on the planes pretty soon just because of that. Just 'cause it's gonna calm everybody down."

Joe Rogan 11:25 My favorite video was a lady with no mask screaming at a man to put a mask on.

Tom Papa 11:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:31 She was just a, just a person on the plane. It wasn't even, she wasn't even a lady who worked for the airline. She was just screaming and then she smacks him in the head. Have you seen that video?

Tom Papa 11:40 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:41 She wound up getting arrested, but she was just, I don't know if she was on drugs or-

Tom Papa 11:45 That's the-

Joe Rogan 11:45 ... or what.

Tom Papa 11:45 You don't know who, what you're dealing with. You don't know-

Joe Rogan 11:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 11:47 ... who's on what.

Joe Rogan 11:48 She goes, "You're a real piece of shit." And she smacks him in the head.

Tom Papa 11:51 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 11:51 And he's like an older guy.

Tom Papa 11:52 (laughs) Jeez.

Joe Rogan 11:53 And I, I guess she told him, put, y- 'cause 'cause one of the things that happened over the last year and a half is that people l- really enjoy telling you to put your mask on, 'cause you kinda have to listen.

Tom Papa 12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:04 You know when someone says-

Tom Papa 12:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:04 ... someone says, "Put a mask on." You're like, "Wah."

Tom Papa 12:07 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:07 You have to.

Tom Papa 12:08 Yes, yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:09 It's, it's a thing.

Tom Papa 12:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:10 'Cause if you're not wearing it and someone call- you can't say fuck you.

Tom Papa 12:12 In a pla- in the space, right.

Joe Rogan 12:13 Yeah. If someone say, if you say fuck you, then you're on YouTube and then it's a real problem.

Tom Papa 12:17 Yeah. I mean, look, you got people t- that you got people that do it at all is pretty remarkable, (laughs) because people, you know, they don't know what they're doing and-

Joe Rogan 12:24 Right.

Tom Papa 12:25 I, the, the, the move I see at the gate all the time (laughs) is older people-... you know, these poor people, they can't breathe without, like, (laughs) anything on-

Joe Rogan 12:33 Yeah.

Tom Papa 12:33 ... their face. They're struggling. And the number of times I see 'em pull the mask down and cough into the air-

Joe Rogan 12:39 (laughs)

Tom Papa 12:40 ... and then put it back up. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:43 (laughs)

Tom Papa 12:43 They don't even cover with a-

Joe Rogan 12:44 I can't breathe.

Tom Papa 12:44 (coughs) Totally.

Joe Rogan 12:46 I can't breathe. Ah.

Tom Papa 12:46 I'm telling you, I've seen that so many times.

Joe Rogan 12:50 I saw jujitsu classes where people had masks on.

Tom Papa 12:53 Really?

Joe Rogan 12:54 It's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. You're l- n- you're breathing heavy. You're on top of each other.

Tom Papa 12:58 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 12:59 You're sweating on each other.

Tom Papa 13:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:01 And you got a stupid surgical mask on, which doesn't do a goddamn thing.

Tom Papa 13:05 (laughs) It's so s- it's a struggle. It's very, it, it, it's, you gotta just let the-

Joe Rogan 13:09 People lost their fucking minds.

Tom Papa 13:10 Y-

Joe Rogan 13:10 They lost their fucking minds over the last two years.

Tom Papa 13:12 Totally.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Think about how many people were already on an anti-anxiety medication-

Tom Papa 13:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:16 ... already fucked before that.

Tom Papa 13:18 I know. And then you put this stressful situation on top of 'em.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Yeah.

Tom Papa 13:22 It's a lot.

Joe Rogan 13:23 Yeah.

Tom Papa 13:23 It's a heavy load, it's a heavy load. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 13:25 Yeah, and the, and m- people's ability to take a new form of stress into an already stressful life-

Tom Papa 13:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:32 ... v- very hard for a lot of folks.

Tom Papa 13:33 Really hard.

Joe Rogan 13:34 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 13:34 And, you know, (clicks tongue) I can't believe ... Like, when I go to do shows and you see these people that are coming out and, (inhales deeply) you know, they've r- they've got families and they're, and they're out looking for laughs. Like, they're back wanting to do stuff again. It's like, I said to, uh, uh, a couple shows, I was like, "Your kids won't say it, but I'll say it, I'm proud of you. I don't know what you did, but you did it. You got through these two years of weirdness and keeping your family safe, and that you're out just getting a drink and trying to have some laughs. Good on you. That's not a small thing that we did. That was a big d- " Especially in the beginning when you're like, "Are we gonna die from this?"

Joe Rogan 14:10 Right. "Is everyone gonna die?"

Tom Papa 14:11 "Are we all gonna, like i-"

Joe Rogan 14:13 March of 2020, remember those days?

Tom Papa 14:15 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:16 You were like, "This could be way worse than they're telling us."

Tom Papa 14:18 This is, right, exactly. This could be totally-

Joe Rogan 14:21 Remember those videos from China?

Tom Papa 14:21 ... scary. Yes.

Joe Rogan 14:22 When they were bolting people in their houses and spraying, they were, uh, spraying disinfectant through the streets. You remember those days?

Tom Papa 14:28 Yes. And all of a sudden, the s- New York was just quiet.

Joe Rogan 14:31 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:31 I mean, that was not a ... We got through it. Like, human beings get through shit, but that, when you look back, it's like, "Whew, okay."

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah.

Tom Papa 14:38 "That was really a thing."

Joe Rogan 14:39 It was really a thing.

Tom Papa 14:41 So, you know, that you were able to muddle through it, great. If you, if it sent you off, I totally get that too. I totally get it too. (clicks tongue) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:49 I just don't know how when someone gets sent off, how do you bring 'em back? (clicks tongue) Like, how do you bring people back to-

Tom Papa 14:54 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 14:54 ... like, calm, normal-

Tom Papa 14:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:56 ... after they went haywire?

Tom Papa 14:58 Yeah. You just kind of ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 15:00 I don't know.

Tom Papa 15:00 It depends the degree, right? It just depends. You just have the, have that thing of just, you just gotta keep on getting on, you know? I remember my grandparents, who, like, went through all of the original troubles. They just always had the mentality of like, "Yeah, big deal. I know, it's l- life is hard. So you want a tuna sandwich? What's going on?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:19 Mm-hmm. People that went through The Depression, yeah.

Tom Papa 15:21 The Depression and the First and the Second World War, and-

Joe Rogan 15:23 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 15:24 ... you know, you, you just kinda muddle through. You just ... It all comes down to just doing your little task and going forward and k- trying to stay positive. It's like in the doing, uh, like, uh, the small, of the little doing keeps you focused rather than the big overwhelming.

Joe Rogan 15:37 Well, being able to see, you know, big picture. There's a funny meme that I saw online that Sam Tripley posted on his Instagram. Find that. It's, uh, it shows the galaxy-

Tom Papa 15:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:48 ... and the, the scape of the galaxy, and then it points to an arrow. And then you are here-

Tom Papa 15:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:53 ... crying in the shower on the way to work.

Tom Papa 15:55 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 15:57 (laughs) In the car in the shower before work.

Tom Papa 15:58 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:59 That's it right there. (laughs)

Tom Papa 16:01 You are here crying-

Joe Rogan 16:02 It's just like-

Tom Papa 16:02 ... in the shower before work. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:03 Just wake the fuck up.

Tom Papa 16:04 Right, exactly. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:05 How great is that meme?

Tom Papa 16:06 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 16:07 I love the internet. The fact that these memes exist-

Tom Papa 16:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:10 ... it's a totally new kind of comedy. What it says, "We are the universe experience itself having an existential crisis," Carl Sagan.

Tom Papa 16:18 It, it is great.

Joe Rogan 16:19 Yeah.

Tom Papa 16:19 Yeah. Perspective, perspective, that's the biggest thing.

Joe Rogan 16:23 It's hard. Well, it's-

Tom Papa 16:24 It is hard.

Joe Rogan 16:24 You know, there's an, there's an old expression. I've said it many times, I'll say it again, but the hardest thing that's ever happened to you is the hardest thing that's ever happened to you.

Tom Papa 16:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:31 You know, it doesn't matter if it's-

Tom Papa 16:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... a tiny little thing.

Tom Papa 16:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Like, you know, when my daughter was four and, you know, she couldn't find her toy and she started freaking out-

Tom Papa 16:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:38 ... I'm like, "Listen, well, we're gonna find it."

Tom Papa 16:40 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:41 "It's not that big a deal." "It's a big deal."

Tom Papa 16:44 "Ahh! I can't find Lambie." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:45 But it was a big deal-

Tom Papa 16:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:47 ... to a four-year-old, right?

Tom Papa 16:48 Sure.

Joe Rogan 16:48 Because she hasn't really had ... You know, now she's 11. If the same thing happened, she'd be like, "I can't find my toy." I'm going, "Well, let's look for it." "Okay." Like, you know?

Tom Papa 16:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:58 She's got a little resolve now.

Tom Papa 16:59 That's right, that's right.

Joe Rogan 17:00 She's ex- experienced a little life.

Tom Papa 17:01 Yeah, you got through it.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 17:02 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 17:03 Some people are fucking ... They, they, they've taken no chances. They've i- they've played it safe their entire life.

Tom Papa 17:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:10 They, they don't understand, or they don't, they've never done anything that's really dangerous.

Tom Papa 17:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:14 So when a form of adversity like COVID came along or this fucking war, like, this shit is-

Tom Papa 17:20 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 17:20 ... this is scaring the fuck out of me.

Tom Papa 17:22 It's so scary, so scary. And that's like ... Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the thing of, like, going about your day. It's like, you check in and you look at it and it's like, "Ugh, it's too much." And then-

Joe Rogan 17:32 I was reading an article today where they were talking about Putin's options. He has almost no options. He's-

Tom Papa 17:39 Which is terrifying.

Joe Rogan 17:40 Terrifying, because he could do something crazy.

Tom Papa 17:42 Exact... That's ... I know.

Joe Rogan 17:44 Yeah. If he decided-

Tom Papa 17:45 And when he-

Joe Rogan 17:45 ... to do something crazy, like, what, are we gonna ... Like, if he decides to send one nuke into Ukraine-

Tom Papa 17:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:51 ... and, uh, and kills 100,000 people, 200,000 people-

Tom Papa 17:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:53 ... 300,000 people, what, what do we do? Are we supposed to nuke him now?

Tom Papa 17:56 That's the dangerous thing. It's like, so you choke him out and you t- you, you know, all the sanctions are taking effect. And okay, so you turn him back? And so, uh, uh, I mean ... All right, so he, you defeat him. Ultimately, what does he, like, what does that mean to a guy that has the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet? What does he go ... Like, how does he save face-

Joe Rogan 18:17 I don't think he does.

Tom Papa 18:18 ... and pull out?

Joe Rogan 18:20 What does it say?

Tom Papa 18:21 Or does he just take it and everybody lives with him having taken it?

Joe Rogan 18:24 The world's nuclear arms states possess a combined total of nearly 13,080 nuclear warheads. More than 90% belong to Russia and the United States.

Tom Papa 18:33 Yeah, but look, Russia has more.

Joe Rogan 18:35 Approximately 9,600 warheads are m- Is that true?... they have more than us?

Tom Papa 18:39 Russia has 6,257-

Joe Rogan 18:41 Wow.

Tom Papa 18:41 ... and we have 5,550.

Joe Rogan 18:43 Oh, my God. I thought we had more.

Tom Papa 18:45 No.

Joe Rogan 18:45 I thought that we had, uh, more nuclear p- power. I thought like the, the power of our weapons was greater than the power of Russia's weapons.

Narrator 18:54 Uh, you know, when I was looking something up about that, uh... (clears throat) We were talking about the suitcase bomb the other day.

Joe Rogan 19:00 Yeah.

Narrator 19:00 And I was digging through articles about that, trying to find out the accuracy. There's a lot of claims being made over certain time periods of like, "We heard through intelligence that they now have, you know, 200... They made 250 of these." So, you have to have proof of that. I don't think they're showing them, the- the boxes of them, you know.

Tom Papa 19:16 Hmm.

Narrator 19:16 They might be saying-

Joe Rogan 19:17 It's just-

Narrator 19:17 ... they just got new ones.

Joe Rogan 19:18 ... yeah. The nuclear football thing was... Or the nuclear, uh, briefcase thing was always a thing that got discussed.

Tom Papa 19:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:23 I thought that our... But I, I guess it doesn't matter, right?

Tom Papa 19:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Because whoever... If one nuclear-

Tom Papa 19:28 If one goes-

Joe Rogan 19:28 ... bomb goes to Russia and they launch all their shit at us and... It kills the whole world multiple times o- over.

Tom Papa 19:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:35 But I was under the impression, I believe I read something, that the power of the United States nuclear arsenal was, uh, larger than the power of the Russian arsenal. Maybe I confused that to numbers of bombs.

Tom Papa 19:46 (sighs) I don't know. It's all terrifying. It's so scary. And they... I just... I don't know like what his... Like, what's his endgame? Like if-

Joe Rogan 19:53 How did he do it in the first place?

Tom Papa 19:53 There's 40 million people in, in-

Joe Rogan 19:55 Yeah.

Tom Papa 19:55 ... Ukraine. So like how do you just take like, uh...

Joe Rogan 19:57 Well, how did he do it in the first place? Like, imagine like us, like the United States, invading Rhode Island.

Tom Papa 20:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:04 You know?

Tom Papa 20:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:05 And you're like, "What the fuck?"

Tom Papa 20:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:06 If they actually went out and did that. And that's... It's a lot bigger than Rhode Island, right? It's like there's more people in Ukraine. Like, how many people are in Ukraine?

Tom Papa 20:14 40 million?

Joe Rogan 20:15 Is it really that many?

Tom Papa 20:17 Yeah. It's a lot of people.

Joe Rogan 20:17 So that's like, that's like California.

Tom Papa 20:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:19 That's like if Washington DC invaded California. Like, if the, the Pentagon invaded California.

Tom Papa 20:26 It's so horrible. And then you see these... And what's so bizarre is that we're, we're watching war on your phone. Like, you're seeing footage-

Joe Rogan 20:32 Right.

Tom Papa 20:33 ... of this stuff.

Joe Rogan 20:33 High-resolution footage 'cause people filmed it off of their phones, and their phones are so good now.

Tom Papa 20:36 And you think about those kind of wars. It's like we're, we're used to those grainy black-and-white images of those kind of a war.

Joe Rogan 20:43 Yeah.

Tom Papa 20:44 And now you see people in like puffy jackets that your family wears and-

Joe Rogan 20:47 Oh.

Tom Papa 20:47 ... with their cellphones. And that, that one horrible picture of the, the family of four just on the sidewalk, just dead. And it was just... It's horrible.

Joe Rogan 20:58 Yeah. I saw a horrible video footage of, uh, an apartment building that had been blown up and there was these like old ladies wearing like old lady coats.

Tom Papa 21:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 You know, like they looked like your reg- regular old-

Tom Papa 21:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:10 ... Ukrainian old lady just hanging out.

Tom Papa 21:12 A month ago?

Joe Rogan 21:12 Blown apart. Like legs missing.

Tom Papa 21:15 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 21:15 Blood everywhere.

Tom Papa 21:16 Nightmare. How do you just do that? Just go in and... Just... It's horrible. So I don't, I don't know. I don't... I'm t- I, I... Like, I, I... That's what I keep looking for, is those articles. I'm like, "Oh, so what's the endgame? Like, what is this... What is the end of this?"

Joe Rogan 21:30 Right.

Tom Papa 21:31 Hey, it's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 21:32 It's, um... So this, uh, this thing about, uh, what Russia's offered Ukraine. I was listening to Saagar and Krystal from Breaking Points talking about it this morning.

Tom Papa 21:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:44 And apparently Russia's demands are that they recognize Crimea as being Russian.

Tom Papa 21:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:50 Uh, but I think they also want Ukraine to demilitarize itself, which is like-

Tom Papa 21:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:58 ... hilariously crazy-

Tom Papa 21:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:59 ... 'cause you, you just attacked us.

Tom Papa 22:01 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Imagine you saying, "Hey, I know we just attacked you. We want you to get rid of all your weapons."

Tom Papa 22:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:05 "And we won't do it again."

Tom Papa 22:07 Aye-yai-yai.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Like, what?

Tom Papa 22:08 Right. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So we-

Narrator 22:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:10 And, uh, also if like your, your president dies, we want to put a president in.

Tom Papa 22:15 Oh, my God. He's a comedian.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Yeah. The guy played a guy... The president of Ukraine played a president on television-

Tom Papa 22:23 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 22:24 ... on a show a few years ago, and then ran for president and won.

Tom Papa 22:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:28 Genius. Kevin Spacey should try that.

Tom Papa 22:30 'Cause if he... (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:32 You know?

Tom Papa 22:33 He's a tough guy, man. He's just in the, in the... They, they made an attempt-

Joe Rogan 22:37 I know.

Tom Papa 22:37 ... at, at his life and-

Joe Rogan 22:39 Three attempts att- app- app- att-

Tom Papa 22:40 Three?

Joe Rogan 22:40 Yeah. Apparently just-

Tom Papa 22:41 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:41 ... they've made three attempts at his life.

Tom Papa 22:43 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 22:44 But there was also like a Chechen hit team that came, like a, a whole squad of Chechens that, uh, they came into Ukraine-

Tom Papa 22:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:53 ... to try to get him and try to... And then they got ap- p- parent- See, it's ho- it's so hard to say what's true and what's not true.

Tom Papa 23:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:00 'Cause you're hearing about things. Like, I heard that, um, the nuclear power plant got bombed. They attacked a nuclear power plant. And then they said-

Tom Papa 23:09 It was-

Joe Rogan 23:09 ... actually it wasn't. It was a building next to the nuclear power plant.

Tom Papa 23:12 Right. Caught on fire.

Joe Rogan 23:13 Near... No, they had, they attacked it.

Tom Papa 23:15 Oh, they did?

Joe Rogan 23:15 Yeah. They attacked a building-

Tom Papa 23:17 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... that was near the nuclear power plant. So it wasn't the actual power plant. It was a building near it.

Tom Papa 23:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:22 So it's like you hear about all these things and it takes a day or two to find out what's true and what's not true.

Tom Papa 23:28 At least we're finding something out. Russia's locked down. They don't even know what's going on. He shut down everything there.

Joe Rogan 23:34 Is that what happened?

Tom Papa 23:35 Yeah. They have no access to any news. They're, they're saying that they're not even aware th- of what's happening, th- the Russian people.

Joe Rogan 23:42 I wonder how they're like... Th- the system works there in terms of like if, if Biden wanted to deploy nuclear weapons. I'm sure there's a series of checks and balances that have to go into play before that happens. It has to be approved by somebody.

Tom Papa 23:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:56 I wonder what the situation is in Russia.

Tom Papa 23:59 I don't know. And, and, and even whatever the system that is, like what mistakes could be made?

Joe Rogan 24:04 D- they have more nuclear weapons than us and they got one guy who's already shown that he's willing to just invade a country that, you know, just a few decades ago was a part of the Soviet Union.

Tom Papa 24:17 Yeah. And now you're-

Joe Rogan 24:18 So it was all a part of the same union.

Tom Papa 24:20 And now you're bombing them. You're killing them.

Joe Rogan 24:22 It's wild.

Tom Papa 24:23 It's insane. It's so scary.

Joe Rogan 24:24 It's, it's the scariest time I, I could ever remember. And I, I, I bet it must feel like to a lot of people what the Cuban Missile Crisis felt like.

Tom Papa 24:31 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:32 Where it's like, "Jesus, we're that close."

Tom Papa 24:33 Yeah. Like, "How, how... Right. How, uh, how far do we go? When does this, when does this tip over?"

Joe Rogan 24:38 Do you remember when you were a kid and we really thought we were gonna go to war with Russia?

Tom Papa 24:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Do you remember those days?

Tom Papa 24:43 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:44 I re- I remember those days clearly.

Tom Papa 24:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:46 Like being in like... I guess it was a high school and I was thinking, "Oh my God, we're gonna go to war with Russia."

Tom Papa 24:50 Yeah.... Rocky had to go against Drago is the next thing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:54 D- that's right, Rocky fought Drago. (laughs)

Tom Papa 24:56 (laughs) Fought Drago. The, when the US won in the Olympics, in the hockey that-

Joe Rogan 25:01 Oh, that's right.

Tom Papa 25:01 That was so... I mean, the, the emotion of that was so crazy high.

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah.

Tom Papa 25:05 And it's hard to tell people, young people, like what, what that meant. Like, "Oh, that's cool you beat the Russians..." No. Like, it was at a fever pitch-

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 25:14 ... of just anxiety.

Joe Rogan 25:16 Yeah.

Tom Papa 25:17 And almost war. I mean, we were in a cold war. It was, it was so big. And, uh, and now we're kind of, like, back... It's... What a dick, what a dick. We were just, we were coming out of COVID. It's like, it's all starting to feel hopeful and now, goddamn. What are you doing, man?

Joe Rogan 25:35 But, you know, there is a lot going on there that the, the idea was that Ukraine was trying to join NATO and if they joined NATO, then NATO could park nuclear weapons at Russia.

Tom Papa 25:48 At Russia's door.

Joe Rogan 25:49 From Ukraine. Again, I'm not a foreign policy expert-

Tom Papa 25:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... this is the shit I'm reading.

Tom Papa 25:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:53 There's a lot of complicated things to it.

Tom Papa 25:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 25:56 There's a video that we talked about a few podcasts ago, uh, but it's really good. It's explaining, it's about, it's, like, 15 minutes, that video, or so?

Tom Papa 26:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:04 It's, like, a synopsis of what is going on with Russia and Ukraine, why Ukraine-

Tom Papa 26:08 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 26:09 ... is so valuable.

Tom Papa 26:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:11 And one of the things is natural gas and oil.

Tom Papa 26:13 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 26:13 It has a tremendous reserve of natural gas and oil, and that's one of the reasons why Russia, um, invaded, uh, Crimea and took over Crimea.

Tom Papa 26:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:21 That takes away some of the access to the wa- to the waters where the oil and the natural gas are.

Tom Papa 26:28 Oh, okay. Could they have done it a different way? Could they have taken it over or made a deal or done something?

Joe Rogan 26:34 Dude, I don't know. I don't know.

Tom Papa 26:35 Is there some other way?

Joe Rogan 26:36 I don't know, but the whole NATO thing is kind of crazy too. If, like, NATO is i- invading and encroaching on Russia's space-

Tom Papa 26:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 26:43 ... if they're moving, you know, these countries into, you know, N- N- and if they're making them join or having them join NATO and then they actually would do that, park weapons next to Russia. Like, um, uh, Dakota Meyer on the podcast, uh, who's a veteran, who's, um, w- got a famously insane story about some of his combat s- d- duty in, in, in war in Afghanistan.

Tom Papa 27:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:07 Crazy shit. But he was saying imagine if another country like Russia or China parked nuclear weapons in Mexico.

Tom Papa 27:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:15 And you're like, "Oh, yeah."

Tom Papa 27:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:17 I mean, it's not... There's no, you know, there's no justifying anything that Putin did. What he d- what he's done is horrific and terrifying and, and that, he's a legit maniac.

Tom Papa 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:25 But you got to wonder, like-

Tom Papa 27:27 Yeah, there's something at play.

Joe Rogan 27:28 ... how many pieces are moving here.

Tom Papa 27:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Whenever you-

Tom Papa 27:31 And, and, and the humiliation, like, the, the, the cultural humiliation that he was saying of-

Joe Rogan 27:37 Right.

Tom Papa 27:38 ... you know, that's... I mean, that's what Hitler was, was bred on, you know, after World War I. It was the humiliation, "We're gonna regain this for our- ourselves." Like, the, that human emotion in a leader that s- that drives them in these, in these ways still exists.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Yeah, but I don't think the people are with Putin.

Tom Papa 27:56 No, they're not, that's why he's shutting everything down.

Joe Rogan 27:58 Yeah, I think it's a real bad move for him. I think this-

Tom Papa 28:01 I- it s- it seems so isolating.

Joe Rogan 28:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:02 But that's what makes it even crazier, right? Like, so it's this one guy, so then he can do whatever he w- ... Like, there's no checks on him? There's no...

Joe Rogan 28:11 Yeah.

Tom Papa 28:11 You see that, that one when he's meeting with his, with his, his people and he's, like, on one end of this (laughs) 50-foot table and all his advisers sit down at the other end?

Joe Rogan 28:20 Really?

Tom Papa 28:20 Did you see that picture? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:21 No.

Tom Papa 28:22 Yeah. Jamie, if you could find that picture of him talking to his advisers, it's like, he's isolated in s- in very real ways. It's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 28:30 Uh, he has to be. I mean, they could not have wanted this.

Tom Papa 28:34 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 28:34 I mean, and if you play things out from where they first invade Ukraine, like, how does this end good?

Tom Papa 28:40 Right, what's the end game?

Joe Rogan 28:42 D- did they just give up? They just give up and you occupy Ukraine? I mean, they-

Tom Papa 28:46 They're gonna be happy that you're there and...

Joe Rogan 28:48 I mean, I've, uh, I've read how many officially, how many official Russian soldiers have died and it's in the hundreds. But there's unofficial reports that it's far greater than that. So it's like, what's...

Tom Papa 29:00 That's the, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:01 Oh, my God, that's insane.

Tom Papa 29:03 Yeah, that's him.

Joe Rogan 29:03 That's an insane photo.

Tom Papa 29:05 It's him having his meeting with his people.

Joe Rogan 29:07 Uh, why is he doing it like that?

Tom Papa 29:08 They say that he got really wigged out by COVID.

Joe Rogan 29:12 No.

Tom Papa 29:12 And he hasn't trusted people, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 C- no chance. Really?

Tom Papa 29:15 That's what they said, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:17 So he stays that far away from people because of COVID?

Tom Papa 29:19 That's what they said.

Joe Rogan 29:20 Look at all the colorful food, looks delicious.

Tom Papa 29:22 (laughs)

Narrator 29:22 I don't think, that's not, that's photoshopped in.

Tom Papa 29:24 Oh, someone put, someone put all that-

Joe Rogan 29:25 Oh, it's there. (laughs)

Narrator 29:25 That's how it's taken.

Tom Papa 29:25 (laughs) Someone filled the table up with food. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:27 Someone filled the table up with a buffet. I'm like, "That looks yummy."

Narrator 29:30 Wow.

Tom Papa 29:30 Yeah, it looks good.

Joe Rogan 29:31 Putin's long table explained. Why he puts some leaders, including Germany's Scholz, at an extreme distance. So it must be a COVID thing. Click on that, it's in Forbes.

Tom Papa 29:43 Why he puts him... Oh, you fuck. You better pay for it.

Joe Rogan 29:46 Uh... $50 for a subscription? (laughs)

Tom Papa 29:48 God, man.

Joe Rogan 29:48 (laughs) Is that really what they're charging?

Tom Papa 29:49 That's what it said. (laughs) It's $49.99.

Joe Rogan 29:52 Well, Forbes is a, is a financial thing. Yeah, it's terrifying. They have money.

Tom Papa 29:55 This, that, this is why it's so scary. It's so... It's al- I was, it's like if Hitler had nukes. It's like, okay, so you can beat him in all these different ways.

Joe Rogan 30:05 Right.

Tom Papa 30:05 Like you're saying the soldiers or this country turns on him. Like, or he gets just militarily defeated. But he has this thing at the back of it, like he has this horrible weapons, like, as his... You know, like, he's got that.

Joe Rogan 30:19 Right.

Tom Papa 30:19 So e- like, if you break him and, and take him all the way to the end, he still has that. That's the most terrifying...

Joe Rogan 30:27 So it says the distance from Scholz, um, and i- he refused to take a Russian administered COVID-19 PCR test. That's why, so they put him at the end of the table.

Tom Papa 30:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:39 But he has a, the fact that he has a crazy table like that.

Tom Papa 30:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:42 It says Putin is living in a strict health bubble, and the Kremlin confirmed the extreme distance is to protect Putin. Wow. Well, I guess when you poisoned a few folks you get a little nervous about it.

Tom Papa 30:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 30:53 I mean, ima- I mean, imagine, like, what he's done to his detractors-

Tom Papa 30:56 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:56 ... then imagine how nerve-racking it must be to be him and worry about, like, retaliation and-

Tom Papa 31:01 Yeah.... yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:02 You know? Like, he poisons doorknobs and shit.

Tom Papa 31:04 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 31:04 When the people touch doorknobs and they get sick and die.

Tom Papa 31:07 In different countries.

Joe Rogan 31:08 Yeah. Did that in, like ... Was it England, was it?

Tom Papa 31:10 Uh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Yeah.

Tom Papa 31:12 God.

Joe Rogan 31:13 So the, the ... What's the process for him launching nuclear weapons? That's what I wanna know.

Tom Papa 31:20 Really.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Like, does he have to clear it with his generals? 'Cause he-

Tom Papa 31:22 I hope he has to talk to someone. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:23 'Cause he's the top dog, right?

Tom Papa 31:25 Do we know? Yeah.

Narrator 31:25 Do they share that? With the world?

Tom Papa 31:27 Probably not.

Joe Rogan 31:28 An-

Tom Papa 31:28 Good point.

Joe Rogan 31:29 The ... This is what I wanna know; what, like, the amount of power nuclear weapons that Russia has and the amount of nuclear weapons that America has, like, uh, c- can't they blow up the whole world, kill all life, like-

Tom Papa 31:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:45 ... many times over?

Tom Papa 31:45 Yes. So you hope that's the deterrent.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Right. Yeah. Maybe tr-

Tom Papa 31:50 But you don't want a, like, Scar Face at the end.

Joe Rogan 31:52 (laughs)

Tom Papa 31:52 Just, like, "Fuck it. I'm gonna take everything out. If I go, we all go."

Joe Rogan 31:56 Yeah, a giant long table filled with Coke.

Tom Papa 31:59 Say hello to my little friend. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:01 Well, that's the thing, like, also how old is the guy?

Tom Papa 32:04 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 32:04 He's, like, 69 years old.

Tom Papa 32:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:06 And, uh, i- is he in great health? I mean-

Tom Papa 32:09 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 32:10 ... I don't know.

Tom Papa 32:11 I don't know. I ... Hopefully-

Joe Rogan 32:12 What if he's got a-

Tom Papa 32:13 I mean, we're all-

Joe Rogan 32:13 ... tumor.

Tom Papa 32:14 ... like, you know? And then you've got China behind him, but we all kinda need each other for these economies to keep going. I mean, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Yes.

Tom Papa 32:21 It's all too scary and unknown. This is why (laughs) you go back to the thing of, like, my grandmother of, like, "Do you want a tuna sandwich?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:28 Eh.

Tom Papa 32:29 Because it's too much.

Joe Rogan 32:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 32:30 It's too much.

Joe Rogan 32:31 Well, this is, this is too much, but it's also it's too much where you go, ooh, this could go really bad, and how does it go good?

Tom Papa 32:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Like, how does it go good? The only way it goes-

Tom Papa 32:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:40 ... good is if Putin backs out. And if he backs out, he looks weak.

Tom Papa 32:45 Yeah. Right. Or if they surrender and give him Ukraine, but then does he stop?

Joe Rogan 32:51 Oh, wait a minute. They're not gonna do that.

Tom Papa 32:53 (laughs) I'm just, I'm just talking crazy scenarios-

Joe Rogan 32:55 Right.

Tom Papa 32:55 ... of, like, how it could end.

Joe Rogan 32:56 I guess, yeah, if he ... if they surrendered and gave Ukraine.

Tom Papa 33:01 Or he takes it over and he just starts to occupy it and it becomes Syria.

Joe Rogan 33:05 But this is what I was reading. What I was reading was they were saying that the ... they're grossly underestimating the amount of human beings they would have to have in Ukraine to take over, and they said it was probably in the neighborhood of 500,000. So it w-

Tom Papa 33:20 Military?

Joe Rogan 33:21 Yes. They would need 500,000 people to take over and run Ukraine.

Tom Papa 33:26 God.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Because if you take over, you have to take over everything.

Tom Papa 33:29 You gotta take over everything.

Joe Rogan 33:30 You gotta take over the military, you gotta take over all the p- p- political seats. Unless they just go, "You know what? You guys were right. We're-"

Tom Papa 33:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:38 "... we're gonna be Russians now."

Tom Papa 33:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 33:39 "We gave up. We're not Ukrainian anymore." That's not gonna happen.

Tom Papa 33:41 'Cause then, then, then it becomes Syria, right? It becomes this prolonged war within the country, and just totally destroys the everything in it.

Joe Rogan 33:50 It's nuts, man.

Tom Papa 33:51 So crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:52 So how many times over can we blow up everybody?

Narrator 33:55 I am trying to find that out. The best answer I've f- found now is, how destructive are today's nuclear weapons?

Tom Papa 34:03 (sighs) So scary.

Narrator 34:03 Compared to the hiro- sh- Hiroshima and Nagasaki ones, it says those are about 15 kilotons and 20 kilotons respectively. Current estimations now of thermonuclear weapons, uh, yield about 100 kilotons of dynamite comparison.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Oh, boy.

Narrator 34:20 That's just for one. It says one kiloton nuclear weapon dropped on New York City could lead to roughly 583,000 fatalities. So multiply that times s- s- 10,000, because they have that many there are.

Tom Papa 34:34 I think you could just say everybody.

Narrator 34:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:36 Yeah, basically. Right.

Tom Papa 34:37 It would kill everybody.

Joe Rogan 34:38 So 'cause you said Russia has 6,000 of them and we have 5,000 something?

Narrator 34:42 Yeah, they have just over 6,000. We have just under 6,000 s-

Joe Rogan 34:46 So i-

Narrator 34:46 ... estimated.

Joe Rogan 34:47 D- do we have more power than them, more nuclear-

Narrator 34:50 That, that-

Joe Rogan 34:50 ... destructive capability?

Narrator 34:52 Again, that would then go into, like ... We know we've shown videos of, like, just a couple mega bombs. Like, maybe we ha- could have one that could, you know, take over t- 15 or 20 of theirs. I don't know how many of those one we have. Might only have one or two.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Right.

Narrator 35:06 And we save it for a real, uh, good day or whatever. I don't know.

Tom Papa 35:10 T- s- so you've just gotta h- you've got to really hope that he doesn't want h- that he loves Russia so much, he doesn't want Russia to be obliterated.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Um, the president of France-

Tom Papa 35:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 ... uh, what's his name? Macron. Macron, is that how you say his name?

Tom Papa 35:24 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:24 Macron.

Tom Papa 35:25 Macron.

Joe Rogan 35:26 Y- I was reading an article where he was saying that he met a very different Putin, uh, when he went to Moscow to talk to him about all this.

Tom Papa 35:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 35:33 And that Putin was just ranting and raving for hours and hours about history.

Tom Papa 35:39 (smacks lips) Right.

Joe Rogan 35:39 Which I don't like.

Tom Papa 35:41 I don't like that either.

Joe Rogan 35:42 I don't like hearing that.

Tom Papa 35:42 I don't like hearing that either.

Joe Rogan 35:44 'Cause if he's thinking that much about history, he might be thinking about, like, leaving his mark.

Tom Papa 35:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:48 You know?

Tom Papa 35:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:50 Fuck.

Tom Papa 35:51 Fuck him.

Joe Rogan 35:52 Yeah, fuck him, for sure, you know?

Tom Papa 35:54 Fuck him.

Joe Rogan 35:54 Yeah. I mean, no one's ... I don't think ... Even his own family, family's probably like, "Fuck him."

Tom Papa 35:58 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:58 You know?

Tom Papa 35:59 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:00 Dude, how does that guy stay safe?

Tom Papa 36:01 How do you ... Yeah, how do you stay safe? And, and i- is there stuff at work of, like, "Let's g- how do we get this guy?"

Joe Rogan 36:08 I'm ... I guarantee there's some "how do you get this guy?"

Tom Papa 36:11 Right?

Joe Rogan 36:12 I mean-

Tom Papa 36:12 'Cause it's down to that, right? It ... We're down to one guy.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Right. Like, if, if someone took him out-

Tom Papa 36:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:18 ... like, let's imagine, like, it happens inside of Russia.

Tom Papa 36:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:21 Like, some Russian military guy decides to take him out.

Tom Papa 36:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:24 That's-

Tom Papa 36:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:26 That seems like it's on the table.

Tom Papa 36:28 I would imagine. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:29 This is a crazy movie.

Tom Papa 36:31 I ... It is a crazy movie. It's scaring me.

Joe Rogan 36:33 Yeah, I'm scared.

Tom Papa 36:34 So-

Joe Rogan 36:35 Only thing that's keeping me comforted is this bread.

Tom Papa 36:37 Batman did a really good opening this weekend. Maybe we send Batman.

Joe Rogan 36:40 Look at this. Putin sends nearly 100% of Russian forces at border into Ukraine. What?

Tom Papa 36:47 100% of

Joe Rogan 37:08 This is today, Jamie?

Tom Papa 37:10 This is-

Narrator 37:10 Yeah.

Tom Papa 37:10 That was a hard no.

Joe Rogan 37:10 I do not like his face. His face bothers me. Does it? Well, it's the face of a killer. Mm-hmm, yeah. It should bother you. That's the la- uh, last face you see before a knife gets rammed into your throat. Ah, geez. (laughs)

Narrator 37:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:23 I mean, how many- how many guys-

Narrator 37:24 Ah, geez.

Joe Rogan 37:24 Like, realistically, how many guys do you think that man has watched die- Oh, yeah. ... by his hand? Oh my God. A lot. Yeah. That's a, there's a difference, right, between him and a guy like Biden. Mm-hmm. Who's, you know- Yeah, it was- ... telling stories about Corn Pop. (laughs) "Corn Pop was a bad food." You know? One of the things that I was saying-

Tom Papa 37:45 I love baseball.

Joe Rogan 37:46 ... doesn't really a- apply to, to him 'cause he's doing something terrible, but-

Tom Papa 37:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:50 ... one of the, one of the things I was saying about, uh, the democratic process of electing a president-

Tom Papa 37:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:57 ... is that one thing that's weird is that you're taking on the most important job in the world-

Tom Papa 38:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:04 ... and you're new. You're new at the job.

Tom Papa 38:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:06 You're new on the job.

Tom Papa 38:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:07 You only get four years to get good at it.

Tom Papa 38:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Mm-hmm. And then, like in the case of Trump, they vote you out.

Tom Papa 38:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:12 So now, you, you just start to get an understanding of how things work-

Tom Papa 38:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:16 ... how to make the fucking engine move smoothly-

Tom Papa 38:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:21 ... and they get rid of you. Whereas, a guy like him, he's been running Russia for decades.

Tom Papa 38:24 I know.

Joe Rogan 38:24 And when you do that, you know, like if, if there's anything else you do, if you're a CEO of a company, if you are, you run your own business, after a decade or two, you, you really know what you're doing.

Tom Papa 38:35 Yeah, you get an idea of how to do it.

Joe Rogan 38:36 It's kind of weird, right?

Tom Papa 38:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:38 That the most important job, everyone who does it is new at it.

Tom Papa 38:41 Right? (laughs) It is really weird. You've got to be great-

Joe Rogan 38:44 Yeah.

Tom Papa 38:45 ... immediately. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:46 But the other option's terrible.

Tom Papa 38:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 38:48 The other option is dictators.

Tom Papa 38:49 The other j- the other, then you get Putin.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 38:51 Right, exactly.

Joe Rogan 38:51 But the other thing with America is then you have what, you know, they refer to as the deep state. Because really, you have the figurehead, who's Biden, and-

Tom Papa 39:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:00 ... this is the best example we've ever had because-

Tom Papa 39:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:02 ... clearly he's declining.

Tom Papa 39:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:05 And so, the people around him and the intelligence agencies and the military, those, those are the people that are really calling the shots.

Tom Papa 39:11 That was like, yeah, that was like, uh, with Bush also, that was always the argument. It was like, well he's, there's other people that, he's not-

Joe Rogan 39:17 Yes.

Tom Papa 39:17 ... really running the show.

Joe Rogan 39:19 Dick Cheney.

Tom Papa 39:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:20 He's not really running the show.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Did you see that movie?

Tom Papa 39:22 I did.

Joe Rogan 39:23 How was it? I didn't see it still. I haven't seen it.

Tom Papa 39:25 It's ... it is so good, d-

Joe Rogan 39:27 Is it?

Tom Papa 39:28 His performance is so ... Christian Bale-

Joe Rogan 39:31 He's amazing.

Tom Papa 39:32 Oh my God, I couldn't-

Joe Rogan 39:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:34 As I was watching it, I had just, not recently, but the last thing I saw him in was, uh, Ford v Ferrari.

Joe Rogan 39:41 Mm-hmm. He was great in that, too.

Tom Papa 39:43 He won the Oscar for it, I think, right? He's all skinny-

Joe Rogan 39:46 Skinny.

Tom Papa 39:46 ... with my buddy Matt.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:47 And he's all, I mean, just skinny. And I remember talking to Matt, and he was, like, talking about being on set with him, and-

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah.

Tom Papa 39:54 He was so impressed. And I mean, he's been in acting since he was a little kid, but he's so ... I could not believe I was watching him as Cheney and that this guy was Ford v Ferrari.

Joe Rogan 40:05 Yeah. It is crazy. I mean, what he-

Tom Papa 40:07 He-

Joe Rogan 40:07 ... what he's able to do with his body, the, the, the transformations he puts himself through.

Tom Papa 40:12 The eyes. I mean-

Joe Rogan 40:13 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:13 ... he changes inside. That's the most prof- insane thing. (laughs) It's not just like they put prosthetics on him or he wears a collared shirt. There's something in his eyes, the way he talks, the way he moves.

Joe Rogan 40:25 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:26 I mean, he transforms.

Joe Rogan 40:29 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:29 And then, what was the other one he did with M- Adam McKay with, uh, the money, the Big Short?

Joe Rogan 40:33 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 40:34 Remember, he was the guy that figured out the, that the, um, the housing crisis was gonna happen?

Joe Rogan 40:40 Right, right.

Tom Papa 40:40 Everything he does.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 40:43 What, what was he when he was a kid? It was, um, Empi- not Empire. Um, when he was a kid with John Malkovich, uh ...

Joe Rogan 40:54 A kid?

Tom Papa 40:54 Spacing. He was, it was-

Joe Rogan 40:56 He was a child?

Tom Papa 40:58 Empire of the Sun.

Joe Rogan 40:59 I don't remember that one.

Tom Papa 41:00 Oh yeah, sh- pro- bay- this is where he starred and he was great then.

Joe Rogan 41:03 How old was he?

Tom Papa 41:03 He was, like, 12.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Oh my God, that's him? Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:06 That's him.

Joe Rogan 41:07 With Steven Spielberg? Wow.

Tom Papa 41:10 He was so good, Joe.

Joe Rogan 41:11 That's Christian Bale as a 12 year old?

Tom Papa 41:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:13 It looks like him. Look at that.

Tom Papa 41:14 Yes, that's him.

Joe Rogan 41:16 Wow.

Tom Papa 41:16 In a leading role as a 12 year old. And I'm telling you he was amazing then. He was, this was not like ... Look, I put on a play in fifth grade where I played-

Joe Rogan 41:29 Congratulations.

Tom Papa 41:29 ... where I played a Canadian Mountie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:32 (laughs) Yeah.

Tom Papa 41:34 It didn't come close to what this kid was doing in this movie.

Joe Rogan 41:37 Yeah, he does transform himself. Like when he was, uh, the guy in American Psycho.

Tom Papa 41:41 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:42 Amazing.

Tom Papa 41:42 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 41:43 I mean, you 100% hook, line, and sinker believed it.

Tom Papa 41:46 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 41:46 And then, uh, The Mechanic, which is prob- or The Machinist rather, which is one of the weirdest ones, the one where he lost all that weight.

Tom Papa 41:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 41:53 Oh, that's the, when he played, uh, Dicky Ward. Was it Micky Ward's cous- was it Dicky Eck- Eckland? Is that his cousin?

Tom Papa 42:00 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:01 Is that his, the guy's name that he played?

Tom Papa 42:02 I don't remember the character's name, unfortunately, but I remember the movie for sure.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Um- He's so good. God. I think it's Dicky Eckland. Pull, pull that up. Just, just to figure- 'cause it's, I wanna say it was, I thought it was Micky Ward's brother.

Tom Papa 42:15 Not to sidetrack but my, I played Colonel Do Better in that play.

Joe Rogan 42:18 But he was great in that movie too because-

Tom Papa 42:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:21 ... in, in that, in that ... well, that's a different movie. Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:24 The Fighter?

Joe Rogan 42:24 Yeah.

Tom Papa 42:25 Oh my God, the guy's-

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah, Dicky Eckland.

Tom Papa 42:28 He's, he's never swung and missed.

Joe Rogan 42:30 And, uh, he, he played this guy who, you know, we all in the, the, the boxing c- like, look how-

Tom Papa 42:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:37 I mean, he's a crack act- addict in real life. And so, the guy was, like, you know, in and out of trouble and, and he played this brother of-

Tom Papa 42:47 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 42:47 ... Micky Ward, who's this famous boxer.

Tom Papa 42:49 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 42:49 And he, he just played this kind of, like, you know, eccentric, crazy-

Tom Papa 42:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:55 ... drug addict, troubled brother.

Tom Papa 42:58 Right.

Joe Rogan 42:58 And you fucking totally bought it. I mean-

Tom Papa 43:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:00 That's Batman. How crazy is that?

Tom Papa 43:02 That's great. (laughs) That's right.

Joe Rogan 43:03 That's Batman.

Tom Papa 43:04 That's right.

Joe Rogan 43:05 And by, by the way, the best Batman. He was the best Batman.

Tom Papa 43:08 He was the best. The-

Joe Rogan 43:09 The voice was a little goofy but, bye Batman.

Tom Papa 43:10 People are loving the new one. People love the new one.

Joe Rogan 43:13 People love spam. They love everything.... people love all kinds of... They love TikTok. (laughs)

Tom Papa 43:20 (laughs) Who is, who is, the new... who is the new Batman?

Joe Rogan 43:24 Uh...

Narrator 43:24 Uh, Hayden Christensen. Is that his name?

Joe Rogan 43:27 No, no, no, no, no.

Narrator 43:28 No, no, hold on. That's not-

Joe Rogan 43:28 Robert Pattinson.

Narrator 43:29 Yeah, yeah, Pattinson. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 The guy from Twilight.

Narrator 43:31 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:31 He's the vampire.

Narrator 43:31 Oh, right, right.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Girls loved him as a vampire.

Narrator 43:34 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:35 You know, he's a... There's a very controversial thing, 'cause he really wasn't into working out-

Narrator 43:38 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 43:39 ... to be Batman. So he's, like, the least convincing physical presence-

Narrator 43:43 Oh.

Joe Rogan 43:44 ... as Batman.

Tom Papa 43:45 Really? He wouldn't work out? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:46 Uh, I'm sure he did a little something.

Tom Papa 43:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:48 But he didn't work out like-

Tom Papa 43:49 A couple of squat thrusts?

Joe Rogan 43:50 ... Christian Bale worked out. Like-

Tom Papa 43:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Christian Bale as Batman was, he looked like an MMA fighter. He was jacked.

Tom Papa 43:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Like that-

Tom Papa 43:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:57 ... Robert Pattinson. I mean, I guess he's, like-

Tom Papa 43:59 He's, he's in shape.

Joe Rogan 43:59 He looks ki-... They, they probably Photoshopped the shit out of that.

Tom Papa 44:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:03 I don't know.

Tom Papa 44:04 Whose body-

Joe Rogan 44:04 It's hard to say.

Tom Papa 44:04 Whose body is that?

Joe Rogan 44:05 It looks good right there, though.

Tom Papa 44:06 They put his head on.

Joe Rogan 44:07 I would say that looks a reasonably athletic. That's what I would say.

Tom Papa 44:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 44:12 Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a guy who's not fat, but for-

Tom Papa 44:15 I wonder what you would describe me with my shirt on.

Joe Rogan 44:16 ... vengeance.

Tom Papa 44:17 If it's reasonably defined.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Dead man walking.

Tom Papa 44:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:20 What?

Narrator 44:20 He's vengeance defined, right? In the, like-

Joe Rogan 44:21 Yeah, that's not vengeance defined-

Narrator 44:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... unfortunately.

Narrator 44:24 Embodied.

Joe Rogan 44:25 But a- apparently, it's a very dark and, uh, interesting movie. And everyone that I know-

Tom Papa 44:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:31 ... that has seen it, loved it.

Tom Papa 44:32 Yeah. I've heard good things.

Joe Rogan 44:34 Yeah.

Tom Papa 44:34 $128 million opening weekend.

Joe Rogan 44:36 Oh, you're a fucking Hollywood guy, you pay attention to that shit.

Tom Papa 44:39 I saw, I saw th- I saw the headline.

Joe Rogan 44:41 Look at you, reading Variety, hmm, on the toilet.

Tom Papa 44:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:44 Hmm, how much money are they making? As if, like, somehow it involves you.

Tom Papa 44:48 That's big, that's big.

Joe Rogan 44:49 Yeah. How much did, uh, Pfizer earn this quarter? Tell me that.

Tom Papa 44:52 (laughs) I don't know that part.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Exactly.

Tom Papa 44:54 But I do know that, uh... And Jackass Forever did very well. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:58 I'm sure it did. I don't know how those guys are alive.

Tom Papa 45:01 That's the biggest victory for me. I just love that dumb fun comedy-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Yeah.

Tom Papa 45:06 ... it, went back to making some money after the pandemic. That's, that's good news for all of us.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Dude, you know what I watched, um, yesterday? I watched a, a series of Buster Keaton stunts.

Tom Papa 45:16 Oh, man. He, he was the real deal.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Do you... I mean, I know I've seen these before.

Tom Papa 45:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:21 So I shouldn't have been so shocked. But I, I went down a rabbit hole. And I watched quite a few of them.

Tom Papa 45:26 YouTubes?

Joe Rogan 45:27 Yeah. There's a gang of them. One of them, he goes out this window.

Tom Papa 45:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:33 He... No, he, he jumps from one rooftop to another roof. Grabs on to the lip of the roof, and slips.

Tom Papa 45:40 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:40 And falls, and go... Watch this. Now, this isn't... This is not CGI.

Tom Papa 45:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 45:45 So he's standing there, he makes the leap, he catches that, falls through those things-

Tom Papa 45:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:50 ... and then catches that bar.

Tom Papa 45:52 Wait a minute.

Joe Rogan 45:53 And then goes under like that. These are real, man.

Tom Papa 45:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:55 And look at this.

Tom Papa 45:57 That's amazing.

Joe Rogan 45:58 I mean-

Tom Papa 46:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 46:01 I don't... How do you do that?

Tom Papa 46:03 How did he do it?

Joe Rogan 46:03 There's no stuntmen.

Tom Papa 46:04 How did he... Yeah, how did he do it?

Joe Rogan 46:04 This is Buster Keaton. But he did a bunch of these things. Like, watch this.

Tom Papa 46:08 (laughs) Grabs the car.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Grabs the car, and he holds onto it. And it... He goes sideways.

Tom Papa 46:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:18 But the thing is, man, this is all really happening.

Tom Papa 46:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Like, watch this. He grabs the back of this trolley car. No, that's not real.

Tom Papa 46:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:32 That is not real.

Tom Papa 46:32 How's he do it, though?

Joe Rogan 46:33 That's definitely not real.

Tom Papa 46:34 How'd he do it? He was, like, one of the first filmmakers.

Joe Rogan 46:37 But that's not real. Like, that's... That defies physics, right?

Tom Papa 46:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Doesn't it?

Tom Papa 46:40 I, I, I... I guess so.

Joe Rogan 46:43 I mean, how did he do it? There's so many of these.

Tom Papa 46:45 Ask, ask Johnny Knoxville.

Narrator 46:47 There's... Some of these were-

Joe Rogan 46:49 I bet you would know, right?

Narrator 46:49 ... uh, the beginnings of camera optical illusions.

Joe Rogan 46:52 Oh, really?

Narrator 46:52 Some of them. Not-

Tom Papa 46:53 Some of them.

Narrator 46:54 Not, not all of them, 'cause he got fucked up doing some of these too.

Joe Rogan 46:56 Oh, he had to get fucked up, because they, they probably had to figure out what you can get away with and what you can't get away with.

Tom Papa 47:02 (laughs) Didn't he... Did you see the one when the, the whole house falls?

Narrator 47:05 That's real. This is real.

Joe Rogan 47:07 This is real.

Tom Papa 47:08 Wow, look at that.

Joe Rogan 47:09 I mean, this is wild shit.

Tom Papa 47:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:13 Wild shit that he was... Look at that. His whole car falls apart.

Tom Papa 47:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:16 Th- that's hilarious.

Tom Papa 47:17 (laughs)

Narrator 47:19 Like that, made... Like-

Joe Rogan 47:21 Like this.

Tom Papa 47:21 Yeah. So how did he do that one? How did-

Narrator 47:23 There's a small chance it just was on a... Like he did some of it, but, like, that could've been, uh, like a screen plate, you know, like the way they did, did cartoons back then. I'm seen a few behind the scenes of some of these. But I don't... I also don't-

Tom Papa 47:34 Yeah.

Narrator 47:34 ... want to discredit it all. I heard he got hurt doing this.

Joe Rogan 47:36 He did.

Tom Papa 47:37 Yeah.

Narrator 47:37 And still managed to make something happen, even though it failed the way he planned it.

Joe Rogan 47:40 Dude, this makes my hands sweat just looking at him.

Tom Papa 47:42 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:43 Watch him make this leap.

Tom Papa 47:46 Boom, boom. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:47 I mean, how does that...

Tom Papa 47:49 Well, this-

Joe Rogan 47:49 How does that not fuck you up?

Tom Papa 47:50 Was that his body, though, falling down?

Joe Rogan 47:52 Well, it wasn't somebody else's body.

Tom Papa 47:54 It could've been a dummy.

Narrator 47:55 I mean, uh...

Joe Rogan 47:56 You think?

Tom Papa 47:57 Maybe. It sure looked like, uh...

Joe Rogan 47:59 I've only man- I just-

Tom Papa 48:00 ... you would die if you did it. Like if somebody really did it.

Joe Rogan 48:02 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 48:02 Right?

Joe Rogan 48:03 I mean, it makes me nervous just to... But look at fucking crazy ass Tom Cruise. Does his own stunts for Mission Impossible.

Tom Papa 48:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:08 Broke his ankle jumping from one roof to another.

Tom Papa 48:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:11 Did you ever see that video?

Tom Papa 48:12 No.

Joe Rogan 48:12 He clearly breaks his ankle.

Tom Papa 48:14 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:14 Like he makes this cr-... I mean, he's wired and everything, so he doesn't have to worry about dying. But he, he makes the leap, and his ankle catches funny, and you see his ankle, like, give out.

Tom Papa 48:25 Ugh. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Yeah.

Tom Papa 48:27 What do you think the desire is to do your own stunts?

Joe Rogan 48:29 Tom does all, all his own s... Tom, like he's my friend.

Tom Papa 48:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:32 My friend, Tom.

Tom Papa 48:33 (laughs) Tom does it.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Not Tom Papa, Tom Cruise.

Tom Papa 48:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:35 The other Tom.

Tom Papa 48:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Tom C.

Tom Papa 48:37 The guy who doesn't bake bread.

Joe Rogan 48:39 (laughs)

Tom Papa 48:40 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:40 He does all his own stunts. He does motorcycle race stunts, he does car racing stunts. He does a lot of wild shit. He learned how to r- r- race helicopters.

Tom Papa 48:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:49 He learned how to fly helicopters to do a scene. Was it, wasn't that-

Tom Papa 48:52 He's amazing.

Joe Rogan 48:52 ... Mission Impossible as well?

Tom Papa 48:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:54 Like, there was a crazy scene and they were like, "Hey, man, this is a fucked up scene." He's like, "I'm gonna do it." And they're like, "What?"

Tom Papa 49:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:01 So he takes his helicopter, and he's going through this valley.

Tom Papa 49:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Like sideways.

Tom Papa 49:06 Geez.

Joe Rogan 49:07 Yeah. And he's piloting the fucking helicopter.

Tom Papa 49:09 Don't mess with TC.

Joe Rogan 49:11 Oh, he's a wild dude.

Tom Papa 49:12 He is a wild dude.

Joe Rogan 49:13 He does all things through L. Ron Hubbard, who strengthens him.

Tom Papa 49:16 Well, there's...... there, there's truth to that, isn't there?

Joe Rogan 49:18 Well, yeah, if you're- you believe it. Like, this is-

Tom Papa 49:20 Like he does.

Joe Rogan 49:21 ... real too, but this, like, he's strapped into the, you know, he's, like, tied on.

Tom Papa 49:25 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 49:25 He's not just hanging on.

Tom Papa 49:29 Amazing. He just-

Joe Rogan 49:30 But he's- a lot of the shit that he did, like this, this is him actually doing this. He's actually being suspended, and he actually jumps out of this fucking building.

Tom Papa 49:41 God.

Joe Rogan 49:41 He does wild shit, man.

Tom Papa 49:43 And he has the option to tag out, go to his-

Joe Rogan 49:47 Yeah.

Tom Papa 49:47 ... trailer.

Joe Rogan 49:47 Like, look at this.

Tom Papa 49:48 Eat some carrot sticks while the other guy does it.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Yeah. Well, and by the way, stuntmen die. They- they-

Tom Papa 49:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:53 ... die. They, uh, they die all the time. It happens all the time in films.

Tom Papa 49:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:57 You know, I have a very good friend of mine who got badly injured doing-

Tom Papa 50:00 Really?

Joe Rogan 50:01 ... stunt work just a couple years ago, and he's still fucked up.

Tom Papa 50:04 Really?

Joe Rogan 50:04 Yeah, his head.

Tom Papa 50:04 What happened?

Joe Rogan 50:05 He- he was doing a stunt, and he did it once, and they- they liked it, and they asked him to do a second take, and he was very uncomfortable, and he did it and banged his head-

Tom Papa 50:15 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 50:15 ... really hard. My friend, Tate. You might've met- met Tate at the Comedy Store?

Tom Papa 50:18 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 50:19 Um, yeah, Tate was on season 3 of The Ultimate Fighter.

Tom Papa 50:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 50:25 And, uh, he's, you know, big, fucking strong, athletic guy, and-

Tom Papa 50:30 Shi-

Joe Rogan 50:30 ... stunts just go bad, man.

Tom Papa 50:32 Of course.

Joe Rogan 50:32 They just go bad, and he banged his head, and he was fucked for a long time. Like-

Tom Papa 50:36 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 50:37 ... he couldn't see bright light, had to be in dark rooms.

Tom Papa 50:40 Geez.

Joe Rogan 50:41 Ugh, and- and- and all the- the depression that comes-

Tom Papa 50:44 Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 50:44 ... when people get those horrible head injuries like that. It's mean- mean- meanwhile, here's Tom Cruise, literally the biggest movie star in the world-

Tom Papa 50:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:52 ... risking his ass-

Tom Papa 50:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:53 ... doing these things.

Tom Papa 50:54 It's insane. I slipped on the ice in, uh, Fargo, North Dakota last week.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Hit your head?

Tom Papa 51:00 A little bit.

Joe Rogan 51:01 You all right?

Tom Papa 51:03 Huh?

Joe Rogan 51:05 (laughs)

Tom Papa 51:06 (laughs) But it was literally, like, a week after Saget.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Oh, no.

Tom Papa 51:10 I was just go- I di- I didn't even know I was falling. It was- just happened so fast. I was just walking the- my show, but everything in Fargo right now is an ice block. It's-

Joe Rogan 51:19 Right.

Tom Papa 51:19 ... literally covered in ice. So, I'm just walking. I wasn't even thinking about falling, I was just thinking about getting into the building (laughs) 'cause it was so damn cold. It was, like, minus 31 windchill.

Joe Rogan 51:29 Oh.

Tom Papa 51:29 And I'm just walking, and there was no part of me that was like, "Whoops," or, "Whoa," or, "I might be falling." I was just, "I fell!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:38 Bang.

Tom Papa 51:38 "I'm down. I'm on the sidewalk."

Joe Rogan 51:40 Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 51:40 And I- there was a building next to me, and I just kinda grazed it a little bit with my head, and I think I might've broke a rib 'cause I'm still in pain down here. Um-

Joe Rogan 51:49 Broke a rib?

Tom Papa 51:50 I th- or bruised it. Yeah, something.

Joe Rogan 51:52 If you broke a rib, you'd probably know.

Tom Papa 51:54 I can't sleep on it.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Yeah?

Tom Papa 51:56 Yeah. It's been a couple weeks.

Joe Rogan 51:58 D- can you touch it and do you feel, like, an in- you- you know?

Tom Papa 52:01 I feel it. Just not, like-

Joe Rogan 52:02 Hmm.

Tom Papa 52:03 ... it's not crazy pain, but-

Joe Rogan 52:04 They don't do much for those unless it's really bad, then they put screws in place.

Tom Papa 52:08 Yeah. No, this isn't that bad. It- maybe I bruised it.

Joe Rogan 52:11 There's a- there's a gentleman named Chance Rencounter. We brought him up a couple of times 'cause he fought in Bellator a couple weeks ago.

Tom Papa 52:16 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 52:16 (clears throat) Or a week ago, I guess. Not even a week, well, just maybe. Whatever it was.

Tom Papa 52:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 How long- recently. And he got kicked and, um, broke five of his ribs.

Tom Papa 52:26 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:27 Yeah, like, kicked really hard.

Tom Papa 52:28 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:29 And, uh, he put a photo of the X-ray up, I think yesterday, of the- the screws and the plates that they put in place to- to-

Tom Papa 52:37 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:37 ... put his ribs back together again.

Tom Papa 52:38 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Yeah, there's the kick. Look at that.

Tom Papa 52:40 And that kick broke five ribs?

Joe Rogan 52:43 Bro, look at it. It's like-

Tom Papa 52:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 52:45 ... it's halfway into his body cavity.

Tom Papa 52:48 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 52:49 Yeah. He fought this guy, Koreshkov, who's a straight up killer.

Tom Papa 52:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:53 He hit him with a spinning back kick to the body.

Tom Papa 52:54 (laughs) Oh, my God. I saw some of your kicks. You posted a kick, uh, like a month ago (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 52:59 Same kick. That's the same-

Tom Papa 53:00 Holy cow.

Joe Rogan 53:01 ... that's the same fucking kick. Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:02 Whack.

Joe Rogan 53:03 Yeah.

Tom Papa 53:03 Whack.

Joe Rogan 53:04 You do- you do not want a guy like that kicking you like that.

Tom Papa 53:07 No, I- s- there is his ribs.

Joe Rogan 53:07 ... I can't even walk through the winter wonderland of Fargo without getting hurt.

Tom Papa 53:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:11 (laughs) So, look at his- his ribs. All of these plates put in them now.

Tom Papa 53:15 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 53:16 Yeah, just- just to kind of, like-

Tom Papa 53:17 That could puncture a lung.

Joe Rogan 53:18 Oh, 100%. His lung was punctured.

Tom Papa 53:20 It was?

Joe Rogan 53:20 Yeah, and it was soaked with blood. His- his lung was filled with blood. It was punctured.

Tom Papa 53:24 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 53:25 Yeah. I mean, it was a brutal, brutal break.

Tom Papa 53:29 And th- that ended the fight?

Joe Rogan 53:30 Oh, yeah.

Tom Papa 53:31 It was just- over?

Joe Rogan 53:31 It was, like, the first- first, uh, few seconds of the fight, he threw that kick.

Tom Papa 53:35 Geez.

Joe Rogan 53:36 It was very quick, very- very early in the fight.

Tom Papa 53:38 How was this weekend?

Joe Rogan 53:39 It was great.

Tom Papa 53:39 Was it?

Joe Rogan 53:40 Yeah, it was great. Yeah, great- great event.

Tom Papa 53:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Crazy. Yeah. Wild.

Tom Papa 53:44 S- I don't know the names or anything, but any surprises?

Joe Rogan 53:47 Um, no, not necessarily.

Tom Papa 53:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Just really good fights.

Tom Papa 53:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:50 It was, uh, Colby Covington versus, uh, Jorge Masvidal. Have you been to a UFC live yet?

Tom Papa 53:55 I haven't.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Bro.

Tom Papa 53:56 I really wanna go.

Joe Rogan 53:57 What are you waiting on, man?

Tom Papa 53:58 I'm waiting for the invite. I keep-

Joe Rogan 53:59 You know a guy.

Tom Papa 54:00 I- h- h- I-

Joe Rogan 54:01 You know a guy.

Tom Papa 54:02 Do I gotta give you three loaves? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:05 (laughs) Just tell me when you wanna go.

Tom Papa 54:06 I would love to.

Joe Rogan 54:07 Yeah, I'll-

Tom Papa 54:07 Are you gonna be in Vegas in May?

Joe Rogan 54:10 Um, no. I don't think there's a May one. There's a July one.

Tom Papa 54:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 54:14 I think ... When is in ... Is there a Vegas May date? There may be a May one, but it probably is at the, uh, APEX Center.

Tom Papa 54:22 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 54:23 'Cause, uh, there's an April one that's in Phoenix. That is, uh, April ... No, excuse me, that's in Florida. That's April 9th. And there's a May one.

Tom Papa 54:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:33 That's in Phoenix.

Tom Papa 54:35 Phoenix could be fun.

Joe Rogan 54:36 Yes. Yeah, Phoenix is fun. And then, when-

Tom Papa 54:39 I'm- I have a show in Vegas in May. If you can make that happen, that'd be great.

Joe Rogan 54:42 I- I'll call UFC-

Tom Papa 54:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:44 ... and say, "Listen, Tom Pompa wants to see some scraps."

Tom Papa 54:46 (laughs) Where should I go?

Joe Rogan 54:48 There's a- they'll-

Tom Papa 54:49 I would love to come, honestly.

Joe Rogan 54:50 If- if you wanna go, the Phoenix one will be great.

Tom Papa 54:52 Yeah?

Joe Rogan 54:53 Yeah, because the Phoenix one, it'll be a fun time if you wanna come 'cause I don't have any gigs scheduled that weekend either. We're just gonna go and have fun.

Tom Papa 54:58 Oh, man. I saw your p- your, uh, steak that you ate after. I was like-

Joe Rogan 55:02 Oh, yeah. We ate at the Jean-Georges Steakhouse in Aria. Very good.

Tom Papa 55:04 (laughs) I was like, my dog just, like salivating (laughs) to-

Joe Rogan 55:07 Yeah, very good.

Tom Papa 55:07 That would look beautiful.

Joe Rogan 55:09 One thing about Vegas, man, there's so much good food.

Tom Papa 55:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:11 That place is great, but even better. Sorry, Jean-Georges Steakhouse, but, uh, Bazaar Meats, which is at-

Tom Papa 55:17 Where's that?

Joe Rogan 55:17 ... at the Sahara.

Tom Papa 55:18 Oh, yeah?

Joe Rogan 55:19 It's, um...

Tom Papa 55:21 ... bizarre meats.

Joe Rogan 55:22 It is insanely good.

Tom Papa 55:24 Really?

Joe Rogan 55:25 And they cook them over fire, so they have these Argentine-style wheel steak grills-

Tom Papa 55:31 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 55:31 ... where they lift and lower-

Tom Papa 55:32 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 55:33 ... so that, like, they have these, uh, like, you walk in there, you smell the wood burning and the-

Tom Papa 55:37 Oh, man. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 55:37 ... the smell of the meat and the, the, the smell of the burning wood. Oh.

Tom Papa 55:41 Your caveman comes out? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:43 It's so good. And the gentleman that's there, he's a famous chef, uh, Jose Andres-

Tom Papa 55:49 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 55:49 ... who is the, uh, the head chef of that place. So you walk into that place.

Tom Papa 55:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:54 J-Jamie, show the, uh, the area where they're cooking, if they have, like, a, there's a video of it, I know. So th- that, that's it. Perfect. So those right there, so they-

Tom Papa 56:02 Oh, that's the grill.

Joe Rogan 56:03 ... have the cuts of meat right there, these big, thick cuts of steak, and then they have these grills that are basically fires. So they have just, it's just hardwood.

Tom Papa 56:12 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 56:13 And then they put the steaks at the top.

Tom Papa 56:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:15 See the very top area?

Tom Papa 56:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:17 They have them up there until the steaks reach, like, an internal temperature of-

Tom Papa 56:22 Oh.

Joe Rogan 56:22 ... you know, like 110 degrees or something like that. Then they put them directly over the fire to sear them on the outside, so they use, like, a reverse-sear method.

Tom Papa 56:30 Oh, jeez.

Joe Rogan 56:31 It is...

Tom Papa 56:32 (laughs) It looks so good.

Joe Rogan 56:34 I, I always think I should go somewhere else when I'm in Vegas-

Tom Papa 56:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:37 ... but I, I never do.

Tom Papa 56:38 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 56:38 It's not worth fucking around.

Tom Papa 56:39 I can never get that outside char at home.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Oh, I can help you.

Tom Papa 56:43 You can?

Joe Rogan 56:44 Yeah, that I'm good at.

Tom Papa 56:45 Are you?

Joe Rogan 56:45 Like, I can't bake bread at all, but I, I'll, I can cook the fuck out of some steak. I'm very good at that.

Tom Papa 56:49 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Papa 56:50 Well, I have a-

Joe Rogan 56:51 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:51 ... beautiful freezer in my, uh, in my garage.

Joe Rogan 56:53 Oh, that's right, you got a, a nice setup.

Tom Papa 56:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:55 Yeah.

Tom Papa 56:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:55 Gave you that commercial freezer.

Tom Papa 56:56 Tha- then my buddy Joe gave me.

Joe Rogan 56:56 How much elk do you have left?

Tom Papa 56:58 Um, I have n- not that much steaks. I have a good amount of ground elk still.

Joe Rogan 57:05 Do you have sausages too?

Tom Papa 57:07 Y- yeah, but I'm getting low.

Joe Rogan 57:08 You know what you should do? Well, I, I got more. Um, you know what you should do is you make lasagna with that, uh, ground elk.

Tom Papa 57:14 Ah.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Yes.

Tom Papa 57:15 That's a good idea.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Have you ever made lasagna?

Tom Papa 57:17 N- not with the elk.

Joe Rogan 57:18 Oh, my God.

Tom Papa 57:18 I mean, I make a good lasagna.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Oh, yeah, you should make it with elk.

Tom Papa 57:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:22 Oh, my goodness.

Tom Papa 57:22 That would be good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:24 Yes, elk lasagna. Elk chili is really good too.

Tom Papa 57:26 Ooh, that's another good idea.

Joe Rogan 57:28 Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:28 You know, what I really like, which I think you told me, is for breakfast.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Oh, yeah. With eggs?

Tom Papa 57:34 Just crack some eggs over it.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Yes.

Tom Papa 57:35 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Fantastic.

Tom Papa 57:36 Get some of this toast on the side.

Joe Rogan 57:38 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tom Papa 57:39 Mm.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Well, and butter, so you get a lot of the fats from the butter, and I, I like a little garlic salt.

Tom Papa 57:44 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:44 Put garlic salt over all of it.

Tom Papa 57:45 Yeah. (laughs) It's so good.

Joe Rogan 57:49 Yeah.

Tom Papa 57:49 Yeah, I know, I go, uh, that freezer's great.

Joe Rogan 57:52 Something about the smells of cooking too, they're so exciting. When you cook food, you get to smell all the aromas while it's cooking.

Tom Papa 58:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:00 And then afterwards, you eat it. It's like-

Tom Papa 58:03 And-

Joe Rogan 58:03 ... you get double pleasure.

Tom Papa 58:05 I, uh, whenever I'm making sauce and you start with-

Joe Rogan 58:08 Mm.

Tom Papa 58:09 ... with onions in the oil-

Joe Rogan 58:10 Yes.

Tom Papa 58:10 ... with, like, a sofrito, like-

Joe Rogan 58:11 With peppers and some garlic-

Tom Papa 58:13 Some carrots and-

Joe Rogan 58:14 ... and olive oil.

Tom Papa 58:14 ... celery and the, ch-, and that, that onion smell-

Joe Rogan 58:19 Ah.

Tom Papa 58:19 ... will linger for a day or two.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Mm.

Tom Papa 58:22 Every time, it's like, the meal's done, I mean, it's all satisfied, whatever. You come up the stairs the next morning-

Joe Rogan 58:27 Yes.

Tom Papa 58:27 ... and you still have that lingering, it's like the holidays.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Yeah.

Tom Papa 58:30 It's like the whole house is just filled with it.

Joe Rogan 58:32 I l- I love the smell of sauteed garlic, it's one of my favorite smells.

Tom Papa 58:35 Ah, it's the best.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Something about, like, I, whenever I cook a sauce, the first thing that I do, you know, I usually just use bottled sauce, but whenever I do, do it-

Tom Papa 58:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:44 ... the first thing I do before I pour it in the pan is I put some, uh, heat the pan up and I mince up some garlic.

Tom Papa 58:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:49 I put some olive oil, let the olive oil get up to temperature, and then I drop the garlic in there, get it crackling-

Tom Papa 58:55 (laughs) That's-

Joe Rogan 58:55 ... and then once it gets crackling, then I pour the sauce in over that.

Tom Papa 58:59 Ah.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Oh.

Tom Papa 59:00 So good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:02 So, you can never have enough garlic.

Tom Papa 59:04 I know. I interviewed, um, uh, Lidia Bastianich. You know she's a-

Joe Rogan 59:08 Who's that? I don't know her.

Tom Papa 59:08 She's a, she's a famous, uh, chef, uh, Italian chef and, uh, I had her on my podcast, and she was telling me that it wasn't until Italian-Americans started cooking, um, Italian food, like, they, when they brought it over to the new country, garlic was cheaper, so that's when garlic was really heavily introduced.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Really?

Tom Papa 59:29 Yeah. It was always, uh-

Joe Rogan 59:30 'Cause it was expensive in Italy?

Tom Papa 59:32 Yeah, or, or it was more rare, and sh- she said that, you know, all us slugs in Jersey were just throwing garlic (laughs) on it like crazy.

Joe Rogan 59:40 (laughs)

Tom Papa 59:40 And, uh, they, it became, like, a heavy thing. It used to be, you know, like, carrots and celery and onion, and it was a lighter-

Joe Rogan 59:46 Yeah.

Tom Papa 59:46 ... kind of a thing, and we were just like, "Uh-uh, garlic."

Joe Rogan 59:49 Dude, I've seen, like, literally 40 or 50 hours of videos-

Tom Papa 59:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:56 ... of Italian guys cooking steak over fire. Because there's a special type of steak they cook in Florentine, they call it-

Tom Papa 1:00:03 Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 ... bisteca Florentine.

Tom Papa 1:00:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 And they, they're, they do the same kind of thing as that. It's like, you're cooking over live fire-

Tom Papa 1:00:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 ... and the, the smells and the embers and they're, I don't know what they're saying, 'cause they're all talking in Italian.

Tom Papa 1:00:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 They're like, " (Italian) " They're all getting into it.

Tom Papa 1:00:20 I have the same thing watching guys making, uh, carbonara.

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 Ah, yes.

Tom Papa 1:00:23 With, it's guanciale-

Joe Rogan 1:00:25 Yes.

Tom Papa 1:00:25 ... and the egg and the, and the cheese-

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 The bacon.

Tom Papa 1:00:27 ... and the, and, uh, yeah, Matteo Lane turned me onto the, uh, these carbonara guys, and the same thing, all in Italian-

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:00:33 Don't understand it, but you're just watching them.

Joe Rogan 1:00:34 It's better sometimes when you don't understand what they're saying.

Tom Papa 1:00:37 Yeah, it is. You're right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 Yeah. Especially something as simple as cooking steak over fire.

Tom Papa 1:00:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 'Cause he's got, and you can, you know, have the closed captions on and everything and you can read what they're saying, but there's something about watching-

Tom Papa 1:00:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 ... 'cause it's like so primal watching people cook meat over fire.

Tom Papa 1:00:53 What is the, what's your char method? Like, how do you get the outside, like, I can, I have to throw it on the, I have a gas grill, first of all. Is that gonna, will I ever get char?

Joe Rogan 1:01:02 Well, the best way to do it if you have a gas grill, grill, honestly-

Tom Papa 1:01:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 ... is you do it two ways. You get the, you start it off slowly, like, you put it low.

Tom Papa 1:01:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 And I would put it at, like, you know, 250, 260, somewhere-

Tom Papa 1:01:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 ... somewhere around that line.

Tom Papa 1:01:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 And have a meat thermometer. Get it up to whatever the internal temperature you'd like to achieve is, with, I like to get, like, with elk-

Tom Papa 1:01:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 ... I like to, I don't, I like to keep it pretty rare on the inside and slowly get it to, like, 120.

Tom Papa 1:01:33 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 And then I like to use a cast iron frying pan to sear it.

Tom Papa 1:01:37 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Yeah. So I get the cast iron frying pan very hot, very hot.

Tom Papa 1:01:41 Butter?

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 No.

Tom Papa 1:01:42 No butter?

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 No, 'cause butter has a low flash point. It'll burn quick.

Tom Papa 1:01:46 It'll burn up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Yeah. So I use beef tallow.

Tom Papa 1:01:48 ... beef tallow. What's that?

Joe Rogan 1:01:49 Yeah. Beef fat.

Tom Papa 1:01:50 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 Yeah. Beef tallow is better because you can get beef tallow very, very hot-

Tom Papa 1:01:55 And that's how you do it with the elk? So-

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 ... and before it smokes. Or no fla- low flash point or smoke point, I forget what it's called.

Tom Papa 1:01:59 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 But what it... But basically what it is, it's like, um, (smacks lips) at a certain temperature, (smacks lips) like, some oils will become fucked up and they, they burn.

Tom Papa 1:02:08 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 Like, uh, butter burns pretty quickly, you know?

Tom Papa 1:02:12 Right. Olive oil.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Olive oil's not the best for that.

Tom Papa 1:02:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Which y- olive oil's great for like a nice medium heat saute with garlic and stuff like that, but-

Tom Papa 1:02:18 Yeah, totally.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 But with beef tallow, you can get it hot as fuck, and so then I scoop some of the, um, beef tallow out, I dip it in the frying pan, and then I just sear it on the outside-

Tom Papa 1:02:29 (sizzling sound)

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 ... like may- depending on how, what the internal temperature is maybe, a minute and a half, two minutes on each side maximum.

Tom Papa 1:02:34 'Cause you're just doing the outside at that point-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Exactly.

Tom Papa 1:02:36 ... 'cause you've achieved the inside already.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Yeah. Just trying to get a nice crust.

Tom Papa 1:02:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 What they call... What do they call the, the Maillard reaction? Is that what they call it?

Tom Papa 1:02:44 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 There's a, there's a reaction of meat where the meat sort of gets like a caramelization.

Tom Papa 1:02:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 I think it's called Maillard.

Tom Papa 1:02:52 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 That's like when you get a steak and it's got a nice crust on the outside.

Tom Papa 1:02:56 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 And then the inside, it's very perfect. Mwah.

Tom Papa 1:03:00 Do you put the, the cast iron on the grill?

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 You can.

Tom Papa 1:03:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 I usually do it inside.

Tom Papa 1:03:05 And do you need the heat... Do you then turn the heat up? Oh, you do it inside?

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Yeah. I usually do it inside.

Tom Papa 1:03:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 Because, yeah, if I was gonna put the cast iron on the grill, I'd turn the heat up-

Tom Papa 1:03:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 ... right. Way, way high.

Tom Papa 1:03:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Is it called the Maillard? Yes. The-

Tom Papa 1:03:17 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 ... Mailli- Mail-ard.

Tom Papa 1:03:19 Mail-ard.

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 M-A-I-L-L-A-R-D reaction. So it's a chemical reaction with sugars and amino acids in the meat, react and create a new f- create new flavorful compounds.

Tom Papa 1:03:30 Flavorful.

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 Flavorful.

Tom Papa 1:03:32 Flavorful.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 But that's that beautiful brown crust on the outside, so...

Tom Papa 1:03:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 So what I do is, um, um, I k- put... When I get the, uh, temperature of the meat up to about 90 degrees on the-

Tom Papa 1:03:45 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 ... on the... I usually... Generally speaking, I do... I like to do elk, um, one of two ways. Either I use one of those Argentine-type grills and I cook it over fire, and when I do it slowly I use like a meter probe, or I do it on the Traeger-

Tom Papa 1:04:00 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:00 ... which is very easy because the Traeger, uh, the s- the temperature stays super consistent and you could read the temperature on your phone.

Tom Papa 1:04:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 So I, I like that.

Tom Papa 1:04:08 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 So I could read the temperature of the meat-

Tom Papa 1:04:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 ... and the grill on my phone.

Tom Papa 1:04:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 So just look in the app. So I could be watching TV or whatever and just chilling. So then once it gets to about 90-ish-

Tom Papa 1:04:18 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 ... then what I do is I fire up the stove top in the house-

Tom Papa 1:04:22 (clicking sound)

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 ... on high heat and I put a cast iron frying pan there.

Tom Papa 1:04:25 Got it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 And I get that sucker real hot, get the fan cranking, and then I throw some tallow in there-

Tom Papa 1:04:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 ... right when I'm about to put it on there.

Tom Papa 1:04:33 Got it. Got it.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 And the beautiful thing about that is, when you do that method, you don't have to make it rest very long either-

Tom Papa 1:04:39 (clicking sound)

Joe Rogan 1:04:39 ... because you sort of slowly cooked it to that-

Tom Papa 1:04:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:42 ... 120 degrees anyway, then you're searing it on the outside and I, I'll let it rest-

Tom Papa 1:04:47 You're there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 ... five minutes plus.

Tom Papa 1:04:48 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:48 That's about it.

Tom Papa 1:04:49 Oh, that sounds great.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 It's nice.

Tom Papa 1:04:50 That sounds good.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice.

Tom Papa 1:04:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 And, uh-

Tom Papa 1:04:53 So where do we go see the, the fights then? S- maybe it should be Vegas.

Joe Rogan 1:04:58 Where do you wanna go? Well, Vegas, you can go to July if you wanna come to the July fights.

Tom Papa 1:05:01 That could be cool.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 Yeah. That'll be a big one. The July-

Tom Papa 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 ... is, uh, July 2nd and that's, um, that's (smacks lips) -

Tom Papa 1:05:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 And I, I'm, uh, I have a gig July 1st too there.

Tom Papa 1:05:10 July 2nd. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:05:11 ... I'm in San Diego July 1st, so then I just buzz across.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Perfect. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hop, skip, and a jump. That's easy.

Tom Papa 1:05:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 Show up July, July 2nd. Yeah. You'll love it.

Tom Papa 1:05:19 Oh, that'd be cool.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 It'll be a big one too.

Tom Papa 1:05:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 Whatever that July one will be, uh, it's, uh, the July 4th weekend is always huge for the UFC. It's... 'Cause July 4th is, uh, that Monday.

Tom Papa 1:05:30 Right. Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 So July 2nd will be a cracking card. They'll-

Tom Papa 1:05:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 They always have like a championship event and it m- might be the return of Conor McGregor.

Tom Papa 1:05:39 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Yeah. I know they're talking about Conor coming back.

Tom Papa 1:05:42 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 It, it all depended upon his injury, you know. He pr-

Tom Papa 1:05:44 Yeah. Is he healed?

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 I'm not sure. They said, he's, it says he's working out and walking around. You could see him walking around. He looks fine. But whether or not he can actually spar-

Tom Papa 1:05:53 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 ... that's the big thing. It's-

Tom Papa 1:05:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 It's like sparring is.

Tom Papa 1:05:56 If he'd be... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 You have to make sure that the bone's not gonna break again and-

Tom Papa 1:06:00 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 ... he's got a titanium plate in there now.

Tom Papa 1:06:02 Oh, geez.

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Just like that guy had on his ribs.

Tom Papa 1:06:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 Conor's got that on his shin now.

Tom Papa 1:06:06 Hey.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 It screws in there and... So who knows like what it feels like, whether or not he can fully get after it, you know.

Tom Papa 1:06:13 Yeah. That'd be a big payday.

Joe Rogan 1:06:15 No. He's gonna do it for free. (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:06:19 (laughs) Well, the... He just loves it, right?

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 See the thing is I don't know if it can be Conor because what they're-

Tom Papa 1:06:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:25 ... talking about is Conor fighting for the title again, which is kind of hilarious.

Tom Papa 1:06:30 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 But if that does happen, um, it will be the winner of Justin Gaethje versus Charles Oliveira. Charles Oliveira is the current champion and they're fighting in, um, May.

Tom Papa 1:06:43 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 And that is a big fight and that's taking place in Arizona. But the thing about that fight is when that fight is o-... I think I'm right about that. Actually I'm not right about that.

Tom Papa 1:06:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 I'm wrong a lot. (laughs)

Tom Papa 1:06:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 But, uh, when that, uh, when that fight takes place-

Tom Papa 1:07:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 ... um, you have to assume that they can be healed enough to fight in July, 'cause that doesn't give you-

Tom Papa 1:07:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 ... a lot of time.

Tom Papa 1:07:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 It's only two months.

Tom Papa 1:07:08 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 You know.

Tom Papa 1:07:09 To be able to... Right, right. Come back.

Joe Rogan 1:07:11 Yeah. May 7th. So that's the one that's in Phoenix. That's a big one.

Tom Papa 1:07:14 Oh, boy.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 So it's like, for you to be able to fight... U- unless, like let's say, Charles Oliveira catches Justin Gaethje in a submission real quick or Justin Gaethje catches Charles Oliveira with a big punch and knocks him out, if one of those guys wins quick, then you could conceivably say, "I'm good to go for July."

Tom Papa 1:07:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 And they make it happen.

Tom Papa 1:07:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 But that's a big if.

Tom Papa 1:07:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 'Cause th- these are two of the very best fighters in the world and most likely they're gonna fuck each other up.

Tom Papa 1:07:40 And they'll go the distance and they'll be-

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:07:42 ... all messed up.

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 They're gonna be messed up.

Tom Papa 1:07:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 Most likely. You never know.

Tom Papa 1:07:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 Like Colby Covington just won this weekend. He said he has no injuries. He says he's good to go. He says he w- he'd like to fight again in July. He said that.

Tom Papa 1:07:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 I think he said July. But he wants to fight again fairly soon, so he's, he's feeling good. And that was a big long five-round fight against a elite fighter.

Tom Papa 1:08:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 Yeah.

Tom Papa 1:08:03 And, uh, there'll be no baseball, so that, that would be good.

Joe Rogan 1:08:06 What's going on with baseball?

Tom Papa 1:08:07 They have a lockout. They're, they've, they've shut down-

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 I saw you. You were getting pissed. I guess-

Tom Papa 1:08:10 I was getting pissed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:11 ... which is rare. I'm like, "Tom Papa is hate tweeting."

Tom Papa 1:08:15 (laughs) I know. My one angry, my one angry post was about baseball. I just hate-

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 And the price of hot dogs.

Tom Papa 1:08:21 I hate greed. I hate greed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:23 Is that what it is?

Tom Papa 1:08:24 Yeah. Sons of... You know, we-... yeah, I love baseball so much, and it's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 What is the, what's the, the dispute?

Tom Papa 1:08:32 Uh, it's between the owners and the, and the, and the players, and there's different... I don't know. I don't even know.

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 You don't know?

Tom Papa 1:08:41 No. I don't know the ins and outs.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 But yet you're Tweeting about it.

Tom Papa 1:08:44 I just know get, I just know get your shit together-

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Wow.

Tom Papa 1:08:46 ... and, and (laughs) open up baseball. We stuck with you through this stupid-ass pandemic, through everything. These families have-

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 Here it is-

Tom Papa 1:08:55 It's all greed.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 ... major matters such as the competitive balance tax thresholds, the minimum salary, and the size of the new pre-arbitration bonus pool leaves the sides with a significant distance between their proposals. Boy-

Tom Papa 1:09:08 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 ... good luck getting America behind competitive balance tax thresholds-

Tom Papa 1:09:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:13 ... a minimum salary, and a size of new pre-arbitration bonus pool.

Tom Papa 1:09:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 People are gonna go, "What?"