Joe Rogan Experience #1793 - Mike Baker

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   (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:01

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

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      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Mike Baker-

   4. MBMike Baker0:14

      Mm-hmm.

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      ... are we fucked?

   6. MBMike Baker0:15

      Mr. Rogan, we are fucked. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      (laughs) This is not good, right?

   8. MBMike Baker0:18

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      This is not good.

   10. MBMike Baker0:19

       How much fun is this? Every time we get together, there's some-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       It seems like it.

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       ... bullshit happening. Yeah, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Yeah. Some... Every time, the world is, uh, somewhat falling apart.

   14. MBMike Baker0:28

       Yeah, yeah. Well, it's good for business. Um, I didn't mean that, actually. That s- sounds-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       You shouldn't say that.

   16. MBMike Baker0:33

       ... sounds wrong. No, no.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Yeah.

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       That's what people expect me to say, I think, but-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Right.

   20. MBMike Baker0:36

       ... um, yeah, yeah, I, I think, uh, (clears throat) nobody really expected, uh, the potential for t-thermonuclear war, uh, right after two years of a pandemic. I don't think anybody actually saw that coming.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yeah, well there was no break-

   22. MBMike Baker0:49

       Yeah.

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       ... for the weary.

   24. MBMike Baker0:50

       Yeah, exactly. Every- it comes out... I did have a thought (laughs) , which was, I talked to my, I talked to my daughter the other day. She's just turned 28. And I thought, after I hung up, (sniffs) she was talking about it, and she was kind of basically saying, "What the fuck?" Right? And so I th- people that age, if you think about those, the folks in that age group, uh, she was born, you know, she was old enough to understand 9/11, right, in a sense, from a child's perspective. And then, through the Iran, or the Iraq, A- Afghanistan, you know, bullshit, that, that whole time, with the war on terrorism. Couple of recessions, right? Global pandemic. Now, you know, approaching Cold War 2.0, getting close to thermonuclear war, (laughs) not that we are. Uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:31

       And the disastrous pull out of Afghanistan.

   26. MBMike Baker1:33

       And the, and A- af- Afghanistan, uh, inflation possibly leading too.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       Yeah.

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       Recession.

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       $7 a gallon gas in California.

   30. MBMike Baker1:40

       Yeah. People, people of that age, not, not able to save money for a, for a house. They must just be thinking, "What the fuck?" You know?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   When you say sphere…

   1. MBMike Baker15:00

      it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      When you say sphere of influence, do you mean he wants to reclaim what is the former Soviet Union?

   3. MBMike Baker15:07

      Yeah, he said that. He said, he said publicly in the past, he called, uh, the collapse of the Soviet Union, "The greatest tragedy of the 20th century." That's, and, and he's, he's, he's serious about that. He means that, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      Right.

   5. MBMike Baker15:19

      And, and so he's not, he's not fucking around. Um, and, and again, uh, uh, if we look at it, he's being consistent, right? He's being consistent over the years. He's, he's a, you know, he's a, he, he, he's a dictator. He's a despot. He's looking increasingly more like, you know, he's isolating himself, which, you know, that's, that's a danger, uh, uh, in a sense to, uh, all those people around him, right? He's already cut loose some of his inner circle just over the past couple of weeks, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      Has he?

   7. MBMike Baker15:51

      Yeah, he's gotten rid of his, his, uh, well, he put under house arrest a couple of his FSB, uh, uh, senior command. Uh-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      Why, why did he do that?

   9. MBMike Baker15:58

      ... the domestic service, because he, uh, because the intel was so bad. (laughs) 'Cause going in-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Oh, because of Ukraine?

   11. MBMike Baker16:04

       Yeah. Because of Ukraine, yeah, sorry.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Going in.

   13. MBMike Baker16:05

       Yeah. Because of Ukraine. So, they went in and the assumption wasn't... and now, again, this is where our intel is lacking. Was he given bad intel or was he given intel and he just chose to ignore it? But it appears as if what he believed and what the top military commanders, some of whom have also been let go, um, or possibly reassigned, I don't think that's a good thing in, in Russia. Uh, is, um, that they were gonna, they were gonna get in there maybe within 48 hours, they were gonna have control of Kiev. They would be welcomed by the population in Ukraine, uh, and they would be able to establish a puppet regime, a new government. I mean, they moved the previous president that was, uh, you know, Russian-backed, they moved him from Russia to, uh, Minsk, uh, in preparation it appeared, to move him down to take over the government, which is, in a sense, batshit crazy because he was kicked out during the, (laughs) during the last revolution, right? By the people.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       And that was 2014?

   15. MBMike Baker17:04

       Yeah, that was that Orange Revolution that they had. Um-

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       Yeah. We didn't, we were blissfully unaware of that in the West because we didn't think it affected us.

   17. MBMike Baker17:11

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       I mean, you ask the average American citizen about the Ukraine revolution in 2014, like what, what are you talking about?

   19. MBMike Baker17:17

       What are you talking about, right?

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       We just found out recently that a comedian is running the country, which is, uh, hilarious.

   21. MBMike Baker17:24

       (laughs) Yeah. Everything is, everything is short term here, uh, in the US and that's, and that's also, uh, uh, including with our politicians, right? And, and they want a, a, a simple story.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       Uh-huh.

   23. MBMike Baker17:34

       So everything's coalesced around this, this simple narrative about, you know, the... and, and we have to be... I, I, I don't know. We have to be, we have to be very careful about certain things. The, the, their emotions are running high. Um, we hear, "Oh, Russian moral, you know, troop morale is bad." Um, you know, they, they're-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       Well, we're hearing that from our media, and we know that our media is not exactly accurate.

   25. MBMike Baker17:56

       Well, they love a good story.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       They, they, they don't-

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       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:58

       ... just love a good story.

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       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       They love a narrative and they're willing to ignore facts-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      election where it's a popularity contest for the most important job in the country. And so if you got the most important job in the country, every four years someone's new at it."

   2. MBMike Baker30:11

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      (laughs) Which is crazy.

   4. MBMike Baker30:13

      Yeah.

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      Like-

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      Yeah. Yeah.

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      ... ima- like, imagine if you had to do any other job, whether it's brain surgery or, you know, whatever the fuck it is, you know, uh, building cars, and you've never done it before. I mean, that's literally everyone-

   8. MBMike Baker30:25

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      ... you only get to do it twice. You get eight years max, right?

   10. MBMike Baker30:28

       Yeah. Yeah.

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       Everyone-

   12. MBMike Baker30:29

       That's a, that's a good thing. (laughs) Yeah.

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       Right? I guess-

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       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       ... it is a good thing.

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       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       I guess it's a good thing. But when you look at what they're able to do in China, and th- this is not-

   18. MBMike Baker30:37

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       ... me advocating for-

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       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       ... totalitarian control by the government. But what I'm saying is-

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       (laughs)

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       ... it is a massive advantage that they have in that they don't have that restriction.

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       Yeah.

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       Like, they get to be really good at their job, and they understand it deeply. So, like, one of the things that, you know, w- what the Tinfoil Hat Brigade likes to talk about is the deep state, right?

   26. MBMike Baker30:58

       Mm-hmm. Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       They always like to talk about the deep state.

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       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       And w- what I was saying is, like, what if we didn't have a deep state? Do you know how fucked we would be if we didn't have career politicians and career intelligence agencies and care- people who are there for long periods of time that actually do understand it?

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       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

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   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Yeah.

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      And-

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      It's crazy.

   5. MBMike Baker45:00

      Yeah. And I thought, um...

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      I've got the, uh-

   7. MBMike Baker45:03

      Yeah.

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      ... original...

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      Not really sure if that's the case. But-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:04

       If somebody's... It's not the case-

   11. MBMike Baker45:06

       Yeah, I know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:06

       ... I'll send (laughs) , I'll send you the, uh...

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       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:09

       Look, uh, I am, uh, I'm... I have decided that, uh, I am very apolitical when it comes to, uh, the future and, like, in political candidates. Uh, I don't wanna have that kind of an influence, and I don't want to... I don't want to... I wanna be someone who can watch and observe. I don't wanna be someone who's actually, uh, affecting this.

   15. MBMike Baker45:30

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       There's a-

   17. MBMike Baker45:31

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:31

       ... certain amount I'm, I'm affecting no matter what I do. And I g- I'm trying to find this fucking Trump thing. Do you know where it is, Jamie?

   19. GUGuest45:37

       Yeah, I got it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Yeah, so it's a, it's a fake tweet. We can just... Here it is. This is the fake tweet.

   21. MBMike Baker45:42

       Ah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Okay. "Donald Trump is scheduled to go on Joe Rogan podcast." Who said this? Well, he got it from somewhere else, though. He got it from, from this fake one that I got.

   23. GUGuest45:51

       Uh, this was the first one that I saw. But then it has 115,000 likes on it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       Oh, I got it. Yeah, I got the original one, though. Hold on a second here. I'll text it to you.

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       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:58

       This is the, this is (laughs) -

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       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       This is the original one. It's 150,000 likes?

   29. MBMike Baker46:02

       Okay, this is, this is the one that somebody sent me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       No.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:22

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      drug companies or information about the influence of foreign bodies on students, or... You have to fucking talk about things.

   2. MBMike Baker1:00:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      You have to have open communication. And the only way you find out if someone's full of shit or if someone's lying or someone's d- withholding information is to let people talk and let people sort things through. The inf- the, the truth is messy. There's a lot going on in the world.

   4. MBMike Baker1:00:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      And you can't stifle information and debate. It's not healthy for anybody. And you can't do it just because you think your side is correct. It's not good. It's not-

   6. MBMike Baker1:00:31

      Uh-huh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      It's not wh- what's-... amazing about a free society. And you can't decide that there's certain ugly aspects of this society that you think should be suppressed, because when you do that, then people are gonna decide your aspect of society is ugly, your perspective is ugly.

   8. MBMike Baker1:00:47

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

      If we get a fucking hardcore Putin-type leader running this country-

   10. MBMike Baker1:00:51

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       ... and they start cracking down on legitimate journalists that are exposing corruption, then you get into dangerous circumstances. And this is the problem that I had with, like, the New York Post article on the Biden-

   12. MBMike Baker1:01:02

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       ... uh, Hunter Biden laptop being suppressed. It's not that I'm a, a, a Trump supporter. I'm not, I didn't vote for him.

   14. MBMike Baker1:01:07

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       I didn't vote for any Republican ever in my life. But, uh, y- you're looking at something that's real information and you're hiding it from people because you don't like the result that you think is gonna come out of that information. That's not-

   16. MBMike Baker1:01:20

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       ... that's not how y- we're supposed to be doing things.

   18. MBMike Baker1:01:22

       Well, I think that's... And that, and it's all part and parcel and I think it's why there's so much dissatisfaction, you know, there's so much distrust, uh, because I think people are starting to realize, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Yeah.

   20. MBMike Baker1:01:32

       Regardless, again, where they are on the spectrum, both sides have an equal ability to think, "I don't think I'm seeing or hearing or being told accurate information here." And, a- and you're right. I mean, Putin, look... (sighs) Shit, if you, you know, you talk about, um, you know, Biden and, and, uh, his age, or you talk about any, you know, any presidential term and the fact that we roll it over, you look at the opposite side of it, Putin got into, into power in (sighs) '99, right? So Yeltsin's-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

       That's crazy.

   22. MBMike Baker1:01:59

       Yeah. Yeltsin nominated, or made him, uh, acting president in '99.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

       So 23-

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       And-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       ... fucking years of running that country.

   26. MBMike Baker1:02:07

       Yeah. Yeah. Well, he, he took a break in-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:09

       Sort of.

   28. MBMike Baker1:02:10

       ... in '08 as, a- he was (laughs) the prime minister. Not really a break. And, uh, then for four years, and now he's been in office running that country, literally, since '99. And h- they've changed the, th- the rules of the game. Uh, he actually, if his health stays and he's, whatever, 69, 70, 69, he, uh, he can be in office until 2036.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

       Well, he has access to the cutting edge technology and science and, and, and, and m- medical advances. That guy can be healthy as fuck for a long time. We're l- we live in a different world now, you know? And I can say this from personal experience being a 54-year-old guy. When I was a kid, 54-year-old men were dead. We don't-

   30. MBMike Baker1:02:55

       Yeah. You don't look a day over, like 53.

Episode duration: 2:51:33