Joe Rogan Experience #1797 - Josh Barnett

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) And we're up. Joshua, talk to me.

   2. JBJosh Barnett0:14

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening?

   4. JBJosh Barnett0:15

      What's happening is I've, uh, I've wandered into some sort of a strange portal that's transported me here to this, this wooden, galaxy-filled, uh-

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      (laughs)

   6. JBJosh Barnett0:25

      (laughs) I don't know, I mean, bunker, star ship, uh ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      It's just a studio but you brought with you War Master.

   8. JBJosh Barnett0:31

      You're damn right I did.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:33

      Yeah, I love this stuff. How did you ... So you helped develop this with this, uh, company?

   10. JBJosh Barnett0:39

       Uh, yes, to a degree. Um, first off-

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Did you like give them like taste parameters?

   12. JBJosh Barnett0:45

       Uh, we were ... Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Cheers, sir.

   14. JBJosh Barnett0:47

       Hey, cheers. Skol!

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Good to see you. Mm. Whoa. I told myself I was gonna take a while off of drinking after this weekend.

   16. JBJosh Barnett0:57

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Guess not.

   18. JBJosh Barnett0:59

       Today ain't the day. Um-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       It's not today.

   20. JBJosh Barnett1:01

       Basically-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       You smoke cigars?

   22. JBJosh Barnett1:02

       What's that?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       You smoke cigars?

   24. JBJosh Barnett1:03

       Yes, I do.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Oh. ............................

   26. JBJosh Barnett1:03

       Yes, I do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       ......get some of that. ... da, da, da, da.

   28. JBJosh Barnett1:07

       You c- ... Actually, uh, part of the development of the whiskey prior to doing a single barrel product was, um, doing a lot of tasting with cigar clubs-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       Oh, really?

   30. JBJosh Barnett1:20

       ... by our original head distiller. So this ... Part of the, the creation of this was also what would be the best bourbon to go with a cigar.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JBJosh Barnett15:00

      you could be... I remember we jump in the car at four o'clock in the morning, pitch black, lights are on, slap you on the helmet, put your shit on, "Bye." And we're already going 50, 60 miles an hour in the middle of nowhere in brush. And I'm looking at a GPS and looking up ahead. There's no windshields in any of this stuff because that would just get dirty and then you'd get blind. So you wear your helmets and you sit on microfiber, like, mitts and things to just clear your face off as bushes, cacti, whatever, dust, dirt, silt is flying through that into the cabin and hitting you. Uh, you've got electrolyte drinks that are in a, in a little, uh, uh, like a camel set-up that you can go and, you know, take a drink while you're need... uh, while you're in the car. You've got your catheter set up to, to, to urinate, uh, and away you go. And it's pitch black. All you can see is what the lights are showing. And I'm just going, "Well, you know what? Tight butthole, I guess, but there ain't no turning back now." (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:00

      (laughs)

   3. JBJosh Barnett16:00

      And, uh, and we were in a class six vehicle which was... It was like a dune buggy with, um, a Subaru Boxster motor in it. But the thing did top out at like 98 miles an hour (laughs) on a back road.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:15

      Wow.

   5. JBJosh Barnett16:15

      Just going straight, just hauling ass, four gears. And it's, it's pretty hairy. I mean, when you... When the sun starts coming up, though, and you're on... you're going 30 miles an hour along the side of this rock ridge on this cliff with like a 40-foot drop-off to your right, but you're seeing the sunset coming up, uh, the sunrise over the... uh, the Mexican skyline, and it is just insane. But also, people like to do things like create hazards on purpose and then film them for YouTube. So put a jump where one wasn't, put a hole-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      Yeah.

   7. JBJosh Barnett16:47

      ... where one wasn't. Uh, put a cactus right in the middle of the course, perhaps. (laughs) I mean, it's just crazy shit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:54

      Yeah, that's what I kept hearing about.

   9. JBJosh Barnett16:54

      And, and stuff like this happens. Uh, I can tell you from experience, I've, uh, I rolled our, our vehicle over. Not that bad, thankfully. Someone came by, pulled us over, away we went.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       Really?

   11. JBJosh Barnett17:05

       Yeah, we just blew all the oil out that had spilled, uh, you know, in, in through the exhaust and just ran it, smoke, boom, bye.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       Wow.

   13. JBJosh Barnett17:13

       Away we went. And then-

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       You call those trophy trucks? Is that what they're called?

   15. JBJosh Barnett17:15

       Now, the trophy trucks-

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Wow, look at that. Oh my God. (laughs)

   17. JBJosh Barnett17:17

       ... you hear them before you ever see them. And those dudes are going 150 miles an hour, a hundred and s-... I don't know how fast they get, but, you know, they're all like 10,000 RPM small blocks and shit, just fricking flying. And you will hear them from... You can hear their engine, and then as they start coming up behind you, they start hitting these sirens and stuff to tell you to get the hell out of the way. And if you don't, they will come up, run up to... right behind you, and then bump you right out of the way.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       Jesus Christ.

   19. JBJosh Barnett17:47

       Just shove you right off the road and keep going. But you watch them hit these whoop-de-whoops and the suspension's just going... Where we are... We're doing this kind of thing, right? We got to go over them, let up, get on, let up, get on as we're going, and we're going... And the trophy trucks just run like right over the top of them like they were nothing there. And, uh-

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       Is that a trophy truck?

   21. JBJosh Barnett18:06

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       Wow. Look at that thing go.

   23. JBJosh Barnett18:09

       BJ Baldwin, uh-... another dude who loves shooting like we do, but is an insane-

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:14

       I met BJ. I met him at Tara.

   25. JBJosh Barnett18:15

       ... trophy truck, uh, uh, racer.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       Yeah.

   27. JBJosh Barnett18:17

       Yeah, he's badass.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       Those, those trucks look insane.

   29. JBJosh Barnett18:21

       They are absolutely nuts.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       Those are stupid expensive, too, right?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   He talks about that.…

   1. JBJosh Barnett30:00

      Uh, it'll be like 10, 10.2 to, to 1 compression. It's gonna be, you know, funny shit.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      He talks about that. We tal- we actually talked about that during the fight itself.

   3. JBJosh Barnett30:09

      Ah, yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      ... which, by the way, was fantastic, and I really wanted to talk about that, 'cause Victor Henry was super impressive. It's so rare that you see a guy enter the UFC, um, you know, kinda unheralded, but, like, with a good reputation.

   5. JBJosh Barnett30:23

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      But, you know, not a lot of hype behind him. But performed that way against a guy like Rani Barcelos-

   7. JBJosh Barnett30:29

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:29

      ... who's a top-of-the-line fighter.

   9. JBJosh Barnett30:32

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       I mean, he is so good. Rani is so technical and so high level. And Victor just put on a fucking clinic. He put on a clinic. It was amazing.

   11. JBJosh Barnett30:44

       Uh-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       He's so good, man.

   13. JBJosh Barnett30:45

       And it's like Victor said to the press afterwards, where, you know, they, they usually ask a bunch of, like, just rote questions, like, "Well, you know, what, what did you think about, uh, being underestimated," or whatever. And he goes, "Look. You guys are UFC people."

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Hmm.

   15. JBJosh Barnett31:00

       "You know about UFC, you know about people in UFC, and you don't really know anything else."

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Right. True.

   17. JBJosh Barnett31:04

       "And so, what you don't know about, I'm not surprised that you're not acquainted. Like, that you wouldn't really understand how to, how to, how to, uh, put this on some sort of metric." But-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Right. That is a very good point, because I think at this point in time, that's silly. It used to be you would look at the UFC and that was like the NFL.

   19. JBJosh Barnett31:26

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       There was the elite football players, the UFC was the elite fighters. But there are guys in other organizations now that are top of the line. There's a bunch of them.

   21. JBJosh Barnett31:35

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:36

       There's a bunch of them that are fighting for ONE FC, there's a bunch of them that are fighting for these other organizations. You know, Kayla Harrison-

   23. JBJosh Barnett31:43

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       ... who's over in the PFL. There's top-of-the-line fighters that are-

   25. JBJosh Barnett31:46

       There are killers.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       ... killers.

   27. JBJosh Barnett31:47

       All over the world. And that was, you know, one of the things that I like to do with my athletes is I want them to see the world.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:53

       Mmm.

   29. JBJosh Barnett31:54

       I want them to fight all over the place. And so, I've, I was taking Victor to Russia, and he's over there beating guys. Uh, he was undefeated in Rizin, he was the champion for DEEP, he had fought for the title in Pancrase before, early in his career.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       Hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   No? …

   1. JBJosh Barnett45:00

      Linda Lee in California.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      No?

   3. JBJosh Barnett45:01

      They're all from Washington.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      They made all that up?

   5. JBJosh Barnett45:03

      It's all made up.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Why would they do that?

   7. JBJosh Barnett45:05

      Because s- it's cooler to be from California-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      But it's not.

   9. JBJosh Barnett45:07

      ... than it is to be from Seattle, I guess.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:09

       But it's not. It's a historical figure. He's like-

   11. JBJosh Barnett45:11

       Yeah. Leon is not. There was no Leon, it was Jesse Glover.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       So Leon's a fake guy?

   13. JBJosh Barnett45:16

       Fake guy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       Why?

   15. JBJosh Barnett45:17

       He's supposed to be Jesse Glover, so to speak.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:19

       Why wouldn't they just have Jesse Glover?

   17. JBJosh Barnett45:21

       Y-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       I, I just don't understand why they do that.

   19. JBJosh Barnett45:23

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       You know, it's like in the Mark Schultz, uh, films.

   21. JBJosh Barnett45:26

       Uh-huh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       When they had him fight a Russian guy-

   23. JBJosh Barnett45:28

       Uh-huh.

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       ... at the end, when everybody knows he fought Big Daddy Goodridge. That's a part of history.

   25. JBJosh Barnett45:32

       I, I know. You can go look it up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       Yeah.

   27. JBJosh Barnett45:34

       It's, it's, it's the same with all the stuff about Bruce. You could even... Uh, Taky Kimura put out a book, uh, something, uh, Memories with the Dragon, whatever. It's got all the old pictures in it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Yeah.

   29. JBJosh Barnett45:43

       You know, Jesse Glover has passed away, Taky's passed away. Um, Fred, uh, my sensei-

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Fucking Hollywood.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:04

   Did you ever work…

   1. JBJosh Barnett1:00:00

      here's their tendencies, here, here's the things that, that you can pretty much count on that they're always gonna go to, you know, when, when things get tough." When, when things are at their hardest, people are always gonna go to what they're best at. And then it's also to look at your athlete and go, "Okay, how do I need to structure this guy's fight, not just on the day, but in all the training leading up to it, so that he's able to mitigate the strengths of his opponent and emphasize his own strengths and keep away from his weaknesses?" And there's that aspect and then there's the mental aspect.... of how to get into that person's head and give them the right motivation, or the right comfort, or whatever is necessary at that moment, to get them at their best.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

      Did you ever work with a sports psychologist?

   3. JBJosh Barnett1:00:46

      No.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

      No?

   5. JBJosh Barnett1:00:47

      I just-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

      Do, do you read any-

   7. JBJosh Barnett1:00:49

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

      Yeah.

   9. JBJosh Barnett1:00:49

      I read some books. Uh, actually on, uh, uh, one of them that was a real eye-opener was one on coaching women. And there was all kinds of great little bits of knowledge that I got out of that, just for general coaching and for working with female athletes. Uh, this thing was written by, uh, a female volleyball coach, and I wish I could remember the name of it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Mm.

   11. JBJosh Barnett1:01:08

       Uh, it was a, it was an excellent book though. And then it was just, I think, just paying attention, reading about things like psychology and philosophy and other things. I mean, it's one thing to say, to read philosophy let's say, but, um, you know, reading Nietzsche for me is not just about philosophy, it's about human behavior, it's about, it's about psychology, it's, you know, they call him like the first psychologic- psychologist philosopher, in a way. And so, just being open enough to let the world show you what it is, and for people to show you who they are. Because you'll come ... Yes, everyone's an individual, they all have their idiosyncrasies, but in most ways, we're more alike than we're different.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       Mm.

   13. JBJosh Barnett1:01:55

       And we've been more alike in almost entirely the same ways since anyone has ever been able to write about what a human being is like, period. If you read about ancient Greece, if you read o- in- if you're reading the Bible or the Quran, or any- whatever, you, you get it, grab yourself a cuneiform tablet or you start reading hieroglyphs, you're not gonna get a radically new different story about what a human being is, how they think, how they feel, what are their motivations, and what it takes for, for flourishing. It's never changed. You know, you can say that we've evolved, but we're no really ... But i- on what level? I mean, maybe we still have like-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

       Society has evolved. Yeah.

   15. JBJosh Barnett1:02:31

       ... the remnants of a, of a tailbone, but, but even in society and as it evolves, technology may more emphasize how we interact with the world, and things, and, and maybe the intensity at which we may, um, express ourselves, for good or for bad. But it's not new. Envy is still there, egos are still there.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       Mm.

   17. JBJosh Barnett1:02:55

       Ego, ego from the point of being healthy to the point of being unhealthy. The same with envy, um, the same with resentment. All, all this stuff is all the same, same shit. You go read Gilgamesh, it's all the same shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JBJosh Barnett1:03:06

       Y- you know, we're not telling new stories, we're telling the same story over and over and over again. Um, and I think that as a coach, beyond (sighs) that, you know, deeper meaning of being and humanity, but at the same time, it's just, allow yourself to be open to see things. L- let people tell you who they are, and if you really are interested in trying to be about something, it's not always about charging headlong into it. Sometimes it's about sitting back and just shutting the fuck up and listening. Listening to someone who's telling you something, or just, (sighs) uh, listening in a, in a metaphorical sense. Just allowing things to show you something. Let, let ... Watch that footage over and over and over again-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:47

       Mm.

   21. JBJosh Barnett1:03:47

       ... and s- and throw your preconceived notions aside and just let it happen, and then see how much you start seeing that repeats itself.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:55

       Yeah, there's probably a great benefit in learning how to teach women because, uh, from my personal experience, women, um, learn better in a sense that they don't have as much ego in, when it comes to martial arts, and they also don't muscle things.

   23. JBJosh Barnett1:04:12

       True. Um, I think that teaching all types of people is, is incredibly useful. Uh, and I liked teaching women a lot, especially because they smelled better- (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

       (laughs)

   25. JBJosh Barnett1:04:23

       ... and took better care of themselves. Uh, but it's, it's a, it's a ... You can't go out there generally and just start screaming at a girl like, "Why are you so stupid?"

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:33

       Right, right.

   27. JBJosh Barnett1:04:33

       They're gonna take that in a whole different way. Although I've had athletes that were females that needed more tough love than they needed more gentle guidance.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:42

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JBJosh Barnett1:04:42

       And, and, and to that, it just came down to the individual athlete themselves.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:45

       Right.

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