Joe Rogan Experience #1799 - Yannis Pappas

1. 0:00 – 2:15

   Austin comedy boom, moving to Texas, and cleaning up downtown homelessness

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   3. NANarrator0:14

      Hello, comics.

   4. NANarrator0:14

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      When are you moving to Texas?

   6. NANarrator0:16

      As soon as I can.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Are you thinking about it?

   8. NANarrator0:18

      Absolutely.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Really?

   10. NANarrator0:19

       I'm coming down, yeah. I'll be here. That club's opening. I love Texas, I love Terry's Barbecue.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       How fun was last night?

   12. NANarrator0:26

       Last night was a lot of fun at the Vulcan.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Those shows are fucking great.

   14. NANarrator0:29

       Really great.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       We're doing one of those shows every week.

   16. NANarrator0:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       It's just a, an amazing place where you can fuck around and work out and write new shit and practice in front of live audiences.

   18. NANarrator0:39

       Yeah, they were an incredible audience, incredible show. It was nice. Green room's nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yes.

   20. NANarrator0:45

       Private bathroom.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yes.

   22. NANarrator0:46

       Push your coat in, that's nice.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yes, it's fun. It's all fun.

   24. NANarrator0:49

       So it's a win-win-win.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Yeah, it's fun, man.

   26. NANarrator0:51

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       It's a, it's a unique situation to be at a, you know, like a comedy scene. There was always a comedy scene here, but now it's like because of, uh, COVID, it got this new boost and, you know, so many guys moved here, and now it's flourishing, and now it's like, it's different. It's got a different feel to it.

   28. NANarrator1:09

       Yeah. And it's not just comics, it's people. I mean, this place is growing and growing and growing. Every time I come here, it's like, it's like watching somebody who started working out and, like, you haven't seen them in a while, and you're like, "Wow, man, you're looking good."

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       (laughs)

   30. NANarrator1:22

       "You're looking good. You shed a few pounds, you know, and by that I mean, like, shed a few homeless people in the street. Like, they're-"
2. 2:15 – 6:27

   Yannis’ social work background: 9/11 disaster relief and burnout

   1. NANarrator2:15

      I used to work at a formerly homeless SRO. That's really, like, a g- like, other states should adopt that. In New York City they have this thing, it's called an SRO, where it's like Section 8 housing, so the government pays most of it, tries to employ them, there's caseworkers there, that's what I did, and that's great. It ho- it houses the homeless. They, they usually take, like, old hotels or sometimes I think they build buildings specifically for that, and then they live like they have their own room, a shared bathroom, and caseworkers on there, and, you know, it was fun, it was-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:45

      Did you do that fresh out of college?

   3. NANarrator2:47

      I did that, um, I did 9/11 disaster relief fresh out of college from, uh, 2002 to 2005.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Oh.

   5. NANarrator2:55

      So that was, like, an ad hoc agency, Lutheran Social Services, so that was like a, uh, that was my first foray into social work. And then I worked at an SRO for two years, so-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:05

      So when you say d- disaster relief, like, what does that entail?

   7. NANarrator3:08

      It was helping people who lost their livelihood, lost, uh, family members at 9/11, um, you know, they were affected by it in some way, they were in the blast zone, the disaster zone, they had to be relocated, um, they lost their jobs. So we would, like, um, petition to FEMA to get them... It was called the Mortgage Rental Assistance Program, so we'd, we'd take their cases there. There was this, uh, there was this combined charity called the Unmet Needs Table where, like, you would take a client and present the case, uh, they lost this income or, you know, they lost a family member so they lost this, for assistance. So you would... We were like their representative, and, uh, you would take their case... Their case would be approved for the Unmet S- Needs Table, and there was a bunch of charities that came together and they would sit. There would be, like, Catholic Charities, Lutheran Social Service ch-

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      Mm-hmm.

   9. NANarrator3:59

      ... uh, and, you know, a bunch of charities, and they would dole out money and assistance to people who were affected.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       There was a lot of people, particularly first responders, that were deeply affected by 9/11 because of the, all the chemicals and the residue and the shit that was in the air because of the explosions and the collapsing of the buildings.

   11. NANarrator4:17

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Did they ever provide them relief? I know Jon Stewart was actively campaigning for that, remember he was making... Which is crazy that that's an issue 20 fucking years later, that they're still talking about that.

   13. NANarrator4:28

       Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, when I... I got so burnt out from all that, I kind of just switched off after I was done, and what I was doing was, like, so close to the, to the event. It was, like, right after. It was, like, you know, I started, what was it? The beginning of 2002, so it was mostly just, like, emergency assistance.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Mm-hmm.

   15. NANarrator4:47

       Like, people were all... I remember my first day on the job, like, I'd never done social work when I first... You know, I was 22, 23 or something and, uh, first day on the job, this dude, he was a pastry chef at Windows on the World and I met him. He was a new client. I met him in the, this little, uh, like, cubby, uh, you know, um, meeting room, and he started crying to me, you know, he was off that day and the survivor guilt and, like, he lost all his friends, and I was just sitting there as a kid going like, "All right, man, you, you need a coffee or something?"

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator5:21

       I didn't know what to do. Like, I was just not good at it yet.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       How old were you?

   19. NANarrator5:23

       23 something, 22, 23, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Oh, Jesus.

   21. NANarrator5:26

       Yeah, and then, uh, and then, dude, when you do social work, the count- they call it countertransference, I think is the official term for it, where, like, um, if you're an empathetic person, like, you start taking it home with you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:36

       Mm-hmm.

   23. NANarrator5:36

       Like, you start... And that started happening to me. Like, I would... Because these people were, like, getting evicted, you know, they, they lost their job or they worked at the, the Millennium Hotel I think it was called, which was right across the street. I had a lot of clients that worked there. And then you go home and you start worrying about, like, "Dude, I gotta get this money from the Unmet Needs Table. I gotta get them the MRA program or, or else they're gonna get evicted." You start, like, taking it on.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       Mm-hmm.

   25. NANarrator5:54

       And that's when I started having panic attacks, and that was a, you know, it was an interesting time.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       Well, I can only imagine. Of course you would take it on.... or you would become numb if you did it too often. And this is, uh, that's the dilemma that police officers face, right? I mean, if you're, uh, dealing with domestic violence case after domes- domestic violence case after homicide, after murder-suicide, af- you know, over and over and over again, you're fucking seeing this shit every day, all day. Like, how do you not take some of it home with you? You, you do.

3. 6:27 – 8:16

   Comedians, CEOs, and dictators: crowd psychology and dark charisma

   1. NANarrator6:27

      I guess, uh, I mean, if you're, unless you're a psychopath, which is a real advantage in life.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:31

      It's an advantage if you're a CEO, apparently.

   3. NANarrator6:33

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      They say that's like one of the, the biggest, uh, character traits for successful CEOs.

   5. NANarrator6:38

      Yeah. Comics.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      Psychopathy.

   7. NANarrator6:39

      Comics.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      Comics?

   9. NANarrator6:40

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       Psychopaths? You think so?

   11. NANarrator6:41

       I mean, yeah, some. Sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists.

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       But just, but, but don't you think they have to be good? Like, to be a good comic, you have to resonate with people in some way. You have to be at least somewhat compassionate. All the good guys that we know-

   13. NANarrator6:52

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       ... the guys who are good, none of them are soc- sociopaths or psychopaths.

   15. NANarrator6:55

       Or if they are, they're really good at it. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       They have to be so good.

   17. NANarrator6:58

       I mean, you know, if you think about it, we share... Our skill set's very similar to dictators.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:01

       (laughs)

   19. NANarrator7:01

       You know? (laughs) We get up there, we move crowds. You know? We get people to believe-

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       (speaks German)

   21. NANarrator7:08

       Yeah. I mean, that kid used to crush. I mean, say what you want.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:11

       He crushed.

   23. NANarrator7:11

       He was a headliner.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       He was a fucking headliner.

   25. NANarrator7:13

       Yeah, you try going up after him.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       Imagine having to go on after Hitler.

   27. NANarrator7:17

       (exhales) Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       Especially in Germany.

   29. NANarrator7:19

       Yeah. That's, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       You know, in his own town.
4. 8:16 – 16:06

   Putin, NATO, and the return of great-power war—plus hypersonic missile anxiety

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      And it really hits home with this Putin shit.

   2. NANarrator8:18

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:18

      'Cause now, you know, when you're seeing Putin invade Ukraine, you're, you're going, "Oh, this can happen again."

   4. NANarrator8:24

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:24

      Like, this is a thing.

   6. NANarrator8:25

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:25

      Like, this is a thing that people do occasionally."

   8. NANarrator8:28

      Yeah, people, uh, people need to realize, dictators, uh, they have a modus operandi, they have a personality type. They don't change.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      Right.

   10. NANarrator8:35

       They're not like... Putin's not like, "I'm good," you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       No.

   12. NANarrator8:38

       "You take Ukraine, I'll take Russia." It's not like... He's said it many times. He's like, "I want more."

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       Yeah.

   14. NANarrator8:44

       "I want the former glory of the USSR. The worst thing that ever happened was the breakup of this thing." And, you know, there's a perspective to be had that maybe what's preventing him from that is the NATO alliance, which-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       Oh, yeah.

   16. NANarrator8:55

       ... I know this is gonna get a lot of hate, people saying this, 'cause people love Putin now, apparently. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Do they really? Who loves Putin?

   18. NANarrator9:00

       I think there's a lot of people who are like, "Ah, yeah, we're provoking, we're provoking him by being on the border." It's like, there's a, a bunch of countries that are on the border already, and it's like, those countries joined because they're scared of Russia. Russia has expanded. Ask Finnish people why they're, you know... which do they prefer, the United States... You know, we're still the good guy here.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       Yeah, well-

   20. NANarrator9:18

       We're still the good guy.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:19

       ... we are, the cil- the citizens, our ideology is. But when you think about the stuff that our government is doing, I mean, how about, you know... Don't get Dave Smith started about the war in Yemen. You'll find out deep details about the illegal war in Yemen and the bombings, and just how many people we fucking kill with drones. There was a chart that showed, and this is not, you know, an anti-American statement, but I mean, I'm, it's just like, there's a thing about military, there's a thing about war and strategy, and this whole NATO thing and, uh, mixed with Putin. You know, the thing that they were worried about is the literal thing that he's doing. He's invading Ukraine and blowing up fucking apartment buildings and shooting missiles into cities and, and taking over cities. Like, it's kind of like I told you so.

   22. NANarrator10:02

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       It's like, they were worried about him expanding his range of power, and so they wanted to, you know... Uh, uh, there's talk about them wanting to join NATO and warning, wanting to join the EU. And people are like, "Well, that's provoking them." But, but isn't this, like, what they were worried about?

   24. NANarrator10:18

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       Like, when you see him move in, is, is it provoking him? Like, look what he's doing.

   26. NANarrator10:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       He's doing exactly what we're fucking terrified of a guy like him doing.

   28. NANarrator10:27

       Yeah, he knows we're not gonna invade because of the mutually assured destruction, and also, nobody ever invades Russia and gets out alive.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       Dude, I used to think it was mutually sh- in- assured in- destruction until I talked to Mike Baker, who's a former CIA operative, and I use the word former in quotes.

   30. NANarrator10:42

       (laughs)
5. 16:06 – 17:37

   If leaders had to fight: judo Putin, ‘Biden vs. Putin,’ and America’s ‘champion’

   1. NANarrator16:06

      That's the horrible part. That's why it's like, the people of the world should demand, like, "All right, you want Donbas and whatever the other region is, and Crimea, l- l- no civilians, no more soldiers fighting, no more kids dying. It's Putin verse Biden. That's it."

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:22

      Well, we lose.

   3. NANarrator16:23

      No, we win, dude.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:24

      How does-

   5. NANarrator16:25

      You got that wrong.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:25

      How does Biden win?

   7. NANarrator16:26

      He's a White Walker, dude. You don't watch-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      (laughs)

   9. NANarrator16:28

      ... Game of Thrones? Who you putting your money on? Jon Snow or the dude who's k- from the dead?

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       Can you imagine if they actually made leaders fight? And the leader ... We'd have, we'd have a real problem. The Mountain would be the king of the world, from Game of Thrones.

   11. NANarrator16:42

       Yeah, or, or ... Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       He would be the king of the world.

   13. NANarrator16:45

       He would be g- ... Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       He would be our king.

   15. NANarrator16:47

       Yeah. That's the way it should happen though, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       (laughs)

   17. NANarrator16:49

       Shouldn't it be just, like, a commissioned fight?

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       Well, if we had to, to ... Like, we don't have ... Like, who's the best person, the best representative of the United States? Well, you'd have to use Francis Ngannou. I mean, he's from Cameroon, but he is, uh, like, at least officially, he's the UFC heavyweight champion and lives in America.

   19. NANarrator17:10

       Oh, yeah, you could do ... America-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       He fights for America.

   21. NANarrator17:11

       America, we claim, yeah. Does- I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       We'd have to-

   23. NANarrator17:14

       ... Hillary Clinton became a senator in New York, she was there, like, a day. You can ... Well, she's-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       That's true. (laughs)

   25. NANarrator17:17

       Yeah, Ngannou's American now.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       He's American, yeah.

   27. NANarrator17:19

       You got skills, you're American. If you wanna be here-

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       No.

   29. NANarrator17:21

       ... you're American.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       No, no. We tighten him up, give him a nice bag.
6. 17:37 – 21:41

   Francis Ngannou’s origin story and why heavyweight power changes everything

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:37

      He's an amazing guy. You ever listen to his story?

   2. NANarrator17:39

      Um, I just know that he's, uh ... I know he's not, he's not rich. I know he didn't come from riches. Nobody is that good.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:46

      Oh, way crazier than that.

   4. NANarrator17:46

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:46

      Way crazier than that. He made his way from Cameroon to Morocco. It took 14 months. He basically did it on foot.

   6. NANarrator17:55

      Wow.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:55

      Hitching rides, paying people to take him across the desert. And then they would get in rafts and go from Morocco to Europe. And seven times he got arrested. And every time they would arrest you, they would drop you off in the desert, hoping you would die. So, they'd take you deep into the desert, drop you off, and he made it back to the fucking border every single time. And the way he detailed it on my podcast, it was like this-... harrowing, long story that you can't believe is real, but you know is real. It's so crazy.

   8. NANarrator18:27

      He's got, like, the life story of Bane from Batman.

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:29

      He's a superhero from a movie.

   10. NANarrator18:31

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       He's, he's a, he's a guy from a movie when you hear what he did. He worked in a sand mine when he was 11 years old.

   12. NANarrator18:37

       Wow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       That's one of the reasons why he's so fucking strong. I mean, obviously, he's 6'5" or 6'6", incredible genetics. But, on top of that, as a child, worked in a fucking sand mine, just digging sand as a small boy, just strengthening. Like, it's like a Conan scene.

   14. NANarrator18:54

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       When Conan was on the wheel, in that movie, like pushing the wheel through the sand.

   16. NANarrator18:59

       That's, uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       That's our king.

   18. NANarrator19:01

       That, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       (laughs)

   20. NANarrator19:03

       I think you just made a pretty good argument for-

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       Yeah, that's our king.

   22. NANarrator19:05

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Is Vladimir Putin-

   24. NANarrator19:06

       Is he the baddest, is he the baddest dude in the world? Like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       100%. 100%. Yes.

   26. NANarrator19:09

       Like, there's nobody in the world that could take him?

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:12

       No. No one in the world in a, an MMA fight. Um, you know, they're talking about him fighting Tyson Fury in a, a boxing match, (clears throat) which I fully support, just because I want him to make a lot of money. But, in an MMA fight, he would murder Tyson Fury.

   28. NANarrator19:26

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       It wouldn't last long. It, it wouldn't last long.

   30. NANarrator19:28

       Yeah.
7. 21:41 – 26:47

   Mike Tyson: ‘final boss’ durability, Cus D’Amato, and engineered intimidation

   1. NANarrator21:41

      Or you do it, uh, remember Peter McNeeley when he fought Mike Tyson?

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:44

      Yes.

   3. NANarrator21:44

      How he just ran at him? It was like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan21:46

      Yeah.

   5. NANarrator21:46

      ... "I'm gonna try this once." And then he's just like, "Okay, I'm going down. That's it." (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan21:48

      He clipped Tyson a couple of times.

   7. NANarrator21:50

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:50

      I mean, that was Tyson fresh out of the joint.

   9. NANarrator21:52

      Yeah, you just gotta hope to get lucky with one swing and then you're going down.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:56

       There's no lucky with Tyson. You ain't getting lucky, 'cause he can t- he can get hit with a missile. His head is so fucking thick. Like his, his jaw is so thick, his, his structure of his n- his neck is so thick. Like he was such a like, like a shock absorber for punches.

   11. NANarrator22:12

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:12

       Like Tyson got hit with bombs. Even in the fight he lost to Buster Douglas, look at all many times he got hit-

   13. NANarrator22:17

       He got pounded.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:17

       ... before he went down.

   15. NANarrator22:18

       Same with Evander.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:19

       Same-

   17. NANarrator22:19

       Evander Ponder.

   18. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       ... with Evander.

   19. NANarrator22:20

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan22:20

       Beated with big shots-

   21. NANarrator22:22

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       ... before he went down. Whereas most people would have been taken out by one of those.

   23. NANarrator22:26

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       He takes a gang of them before ... It's like, he's like it's, uh, in a movie or in a video game rather, when you get to the final boss.

   25. NANarrator22:33

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:33

       And you gotta like-

   27. NANarrator22:34

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:34

       ... do everything-

   29. NANarrator22:35

       (laughs) Like *******.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:35

       ... you can to beat that guy.
8. 26:47 – 33:29

   Aging, attractiveness, and modern comfort: from ‘old wisdom’ to Instagram attention economies

   1. NANarrator26:47

      Do you-

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:47

      That's part of our history.

   3. NANarrator26:48

      Do you think what's maybe going wrong in America with freedom is that because of advertising, because of marketing and how it controls America and how much they market to the youth because that's the coveted demographic, that we've sort of empowered the youth, and now even boomers are pejorative? And like, you know, you can e- you can, you can use your... People use your age when you're older as like a pejorative. Like, "You're old," but isn't it like, "Dude, yeah, I'm old. I know more shit than you."

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:16

      Yeah, but those people are idiots. People who do that, "You're old," well, I mean, ac- actually that's not true because sometimes people are old, and they're stuck in their way. They're stuck in the way that they were. You know, they're stuck in the day, "Oh, back in my day, if you wanted to talk on the phone, you had to stay next to the cord."

   5. NANarrator27:32

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan27:33

      You know?

   7. NANarrator27:33

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:33

      You know, like, there's some stupid shit like that, but there's... You know, there's different kinds of old people. There's old people that are wise, and there are old people that are young idiots that just survived.

   9. NANarrator27:45

      Good point.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:46

       That's the thing.

   11. NANarrator27:47

       But the wise one at l- the wise ones at least should be revered, no?

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:50

       Oh, yeah.

   13. NANarrator27:50

       There's gotta be some sort of system where you revere experience.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:54

       Yeah, but they have to re- have respect too. Like, they have to respect the young people too, and that's a thing that sometimes people, when they get older, they automatically want respect from young people just 'cause they've lived longer, which is stupid.

   15. NANarrator28:08

       Right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:08

       Like, there's, there's old idiots. You know, there's old people that are just dumb as fuck, and they just manage... 'Cause we have a relatively cushy existence, you know, for, for most people, food's not hard to get. You know, it, a, a decent job where you can pay your rent, not that hard to get. It's just like, this is a time of unprecedented job opportunities.

   17. NANarrator28:30

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:31

       So many people have quit their jobs during the pandemic, which is really wild-

   19. NANarrator28:34

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:34

       ... 'cause I don't know where they're getting their money.

   21. NANarrator28:36

       I don't know either, but yeah, it is. This is the most comfortable time to be alive. The amenities of modernity are sweet.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:41

       They're pretty sweet.

   23. NANarrator28:42

       You don't even have to... When you, when you get food delivered to your house, you don't even have to look the guy in the eye. You just crack the door open and pull your food in like a prisoner-

   24. JRJoe Rogan28:49

       Yeah.

   25. NANarrator28:49

       ... in solitary confinement, just kick the door. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:51

       So, there's, there's older folks that deserve deep respect. Like, there's the Cornel Wests of the world that des- deserve deep respect. They've, they've experienced so much, and they're so wise, and they're older. And then there's old people that are just morons. You know, they're just morons that because of all these in- incredible inventions and the, the advances of society and medicine and, and f- and the f- availability of food, they've managed to make it to 75, but they're a fucking dummy. They're a dumb 23-year-old that just kept living.

   27. NANarrator29:26

       (laughs) Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:26

       You know, there's a lot of that.

   29. NANarrator29:28

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:28

       Like, you know, I used to have a bit about that, about old assholes were assholes when they were young. They just survived.
9. 33:29 – 48:18

   Food freedom vs. social credit systems—and why China’s ‘tidy’ control scares Joe

   1. NANarrator33:29

      Do you think food, because it becomes such a burden on the healthcare system and because, you know, heart attacks and cardiac problems are such a big cause of, of death, do you think there should be, like, some sort of system where you have to earn to order the right food?

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:45

      No.

   3. NANarrator33:45

      Like, you go to get a burger and they, they-

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:48

      No.

   5. NANarrator33:48

      ... punch up your name and they go, "Y- you're n- it's illegal for you."

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:50

      Well, that's what-

   7. NANarrator33:51

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:51

      ... the problem with, that's, you're basically talking about, like, a social credit system. And that's, a digital currency system is what-

   9. NANarrator33:57

      More like a diet credit system.

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:58

       Yeah, but the problem is, you're, you're telling people what they can and can't do with their money. And ultimately, there, there's, there's ways that the government is going to try to implement, and I say the government, let's just say the Chinese government. Chinese government has already implemented a social credit system, and it's tied to digital currency, it's tied to your currency. So, what it means is, like, you could go to buy something, and it'll say, "No, your social credit is too low for you to be able to purchase this," whatever you wanna watch. Y- you won't, you won't be able to do it 'cause you fucked up or you talk badly about the government on Twitter. Like, that is a real thing.

   11. NANarrator34:31

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:31

       And that's, that's a real concern. If you tied that to food and tied that to, "Oh, you can't buy that cheeseburger." What if I'm fucking hungry? Like, no, I think you should have freedom. And if yo- yo- your freedom is also the freedom to become a fat fuck. And if you, you have a burden on the healthcare system, I think that it's on the government to try to educate people about the benefits of being healthy and not becoming a fat fuck, and being alive to hang out with your grandchildren and, you know, and, and hang out with your wife in your golden years. Like, the, that's, that's what the, the burden should be on education, not on punitive punishments like, "You can't have a fucking cheeseburger."

   13. NANarrator35:07

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan35:07

       And who's telling me that? Chris Christie? Is he gonna tell me I can't have a cheeseburger?

   15. NANarrator35:10

       (laughs) He-

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:10

       Who's, you know what I mean? Who-

   17. NANarrator35:11

       No, he can't have a cheeseburger.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:12

       Right, but-

   19. NANarrator35:13

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       ... you know what I'm saying? Like, who's gonna be the person, imagine if you have a fat governor.

   21. NANarrator35:16

       You could do it, dude. You're in shape AF.

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:18

       Yeah, but if you see what I eat?

   23. NANarrator35:19

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:20

       I eat like a fucking, like three people.

   25. NANarrator35:22

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:22

       I eat so much fucking food, dude.

   27. NANarrator35:24

       But you eat lean, you don't e- you gotta be doing something right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:27

       Well, I work out like a terrorist.

   29. NANarrator35:28

       Yeah. (laughs) Like a terrorist.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       But, uh, it's also-
10. 48:18 – 1:08:44

    Fame, ego insulation, and ‘yes-men’: Elvis karate, McDojos, and truth-testing in MMA

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:18

       Being a fucking White House press secretary. You just have to lie.

    2. NANarrator48:21

       Yeah, she looks like, uh, Jen Psaki looks like, um, the chick from The Big Lebowski. Mr. Lebowski. Th- with the red haircut. Uh, that was, uh, Julianne Moore in Big Lebowski.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:31

       Oh.

    4. NANarrator48:32

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:32

       No. Julianne Moore is way hotter.

    6. NANarrator48:34

       I know, but the haircut and the red hair.

    7. JRJoe Rogan48:36

       I don't know.

    8. NANarrator48:36

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:37

       Julianne Moore was hot.... that's not happening.

    10. NANarrator48:38

        You wouldn't throw one at, you know-

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:40

        At soccer?

    12. NANarrator48:41

        ... Jeff, Jeff. Jeff's pretty good. She's a great girl too.

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:43

        Oh, imagine the conversations you'd have to have before you got in bed with her? Oh.

    14. NANarrator48:46

        She'd have great stories. She makes them up.

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        She would, she would, you would have an argument with her and she wouldn't even try to be accurate. She would just try to dance around the truth. We'll circle back to that, but what I'm trying to say-

    16. NANarrator48:55

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:55

        ... and what the president means is like tho- when they have those speeches, it's not about truth. That's the most frustrating thing about that. Like when Peter Doocy from Fox says, "Well, the president said this," and this or like, "Well, as I think you know, the president means this and it's good for the world and it's good for the..." And, it's just bullshit, and all they're trying to do is just make it sound good. That's all those speeches are. Just make it sound okay. Make it sound good. It's not about relaying information or facts or being accurate or transparent. It's just about sounding good enough to get outta that with a win or at least a draw.

    18. NANarrator49:32

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:32

        That's all it is.

    20. NANarrator49:33

        They're like lawyers for the president.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:35

        Worse.

    22. NANarrator49:36

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:36

        Worse, 'cause lawyers have to stick to facts.

    24. NANarrator49:39

        Well, do they?

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:41

        I mean, when they're come, wha- well some things. When they're, they're quoting actual statistics and numbers and, I mean, yeah, that has, that's, they have dockets, right? So they have, um, they have rather, uh, evidence. So they look at the evidence, like, if you, if the defense gets the evidence and the prosecution gets the evidence, you get to look at it, you're like, "That's not what the numbers are at all."

    26. NANarrator49:59

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:59

        Like she can just lie.

    28. NANarrator50:00

        Right.

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:01

        She just bullshits about things.

    30. NANarrator50:02

        Right, right.

Episode duration: 3:14:18