Joe Rogan Experience #1805 - Mike Tyson

1. 0:00 – 1:01

   DMT, aging, and Tyson’s decision to fight again

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Time rolls, Mike Tyson. Time doesn't give a fuck about any of us.

   3. MTMike Tyson0:15

      No.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      It just keeps going.

   5. MTMike Tyson0:17

      No, no. Don't wait for nobody.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      What was it like fighting again after all those years?

   7. MTMike Tyson0:26

      Hey, listen, I did this toad, this M- DMT stuff.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:31

      Right.

   9. MTMike Tyson0:31

      And I just, I lost that weight and I said, "I don't know what happened." I just don't know what happened. I just said, "I'm gonna do this."

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Well, it's funny because you talked to me on the podcast before, the first time you came on and you said, "I can't even work out."

   11. MTMike Tyson0:44

       Yes. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       "'Cause if I work out, my ego will get excited."

   13. MTMike Tyson0:47

       But I did this toad and this toad, I said, "You gotta do it." It said, "You have to do it."

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       The toad told you?

   15. MTMike Tyson0:53

       Yeah. Yeah, you have to do it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       The DMT told you it's time to fight?

   17. MTMike Tyson0:55

       Yeah. You have to do it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Wow.

   19. MTMike Tyson0:56

       I lost the weight.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Mm-hmm.

2. 1:01 – 1:46

   From Bob Sapp to Roy Jones: how the comeback bout took shape

   1. MTMike Tyson1:01

      And it started off with me at first fighting Bob Sapp at first.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      That's right, the K-1 event.

   3. MTMike Tyson1:07

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:07

      I was there for that. I was there live.

   5. MTMike Tyson1:08

      No, but man, I was gonna fight.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:09

      Yeah.

   7. MTMike Tyson1:10

      That was gonna be the first fight, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:10

      When you- when you got in the cr- in the ring with him, you said, "Martha, it's Queensberry rules."

   9. MTMike Tyson1:13

      No. Yeah, but listen, the fight- the fight I fought with Roy Jones was supposed to be with Bob Sapp.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       Oh, really? Oh, no kidding.

   11. MTMike Tyson1:22

       Hell yeah. I wouldn't have to chase this guy all around. (breathes deeply) So the next thing you know, got in- (clears throat) Roy Jones got involved and other fighters, Holyfield got involved and they, and then it turned into a- a fiasco. And then the young guy, (clears throat) Jake Paul.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Yeah.

   13. MTMike Tyson1:41

       It was Jake Paul, he got involved then. And that's how he, that's how the birth of Jake Paul became. (coughs)

3. 1:46 – 3:12

   Ego, humility, and not taking yourself too seriously

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:46

      When you get challenged by someone who's a- a guy like a Jake Paul, does that piss you off?

   2. MTMike Tyson1:52

      Not at all.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:53

      Is there part- part of it that's just like...

   4. MTMike Tyson1:55

      My, um... No, it doesn't.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:57

      No?

   6. MTMike Tyson1:57

      I don't think it... I think it's awesome. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      You think it's awesome?

   8. MTMike Tyson2:01

      (laughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:01

      (laughs)

   10. MTMike Tyson2:01

       I think it's awesome. Cool.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:03

       You think it's cool? That's awesome. That's awesome that you- you handle it that way. Because like, in a way, I mean, it's- it's kind of insulting. It's brave, it's bold of him, but it's also, it's like, Jesus Christ, there's levels to this world.

   12. MTMike Tyson2:20

       Let me- let me... You know what I found out? Um, this gent- gentleman, um, he was- he was a mayor in this town in the Midwest, right? And I talked to him before and he was one of those stern guys, he always got the bills paid, always got your lights on, always got everything right and perfect, but he didn't have a good personality. And he almost lost to a guy that didn't do anything, he didn't make... He- he'd be sh- he shit on people's tags, he messed there, but he hung out with the people, he- he smoked cigarettes with them, he drank with them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Wow.

   14. MTMike Tyson2:45

       He ate with them, he'd go on and hang on their porch with them.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Yeah.

   16. MTMike Tyson2:49

       And that's when you learn you can't take yourself too serious.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Right.

   18. MTMike Tyson2:53

       Or, I mean, the world will turn on you if you take yourself too serious. Who the hell am I to take myself too serious? Made all this money, got this reputation, and now I'm looking at people scr- scr- scr- screw-facing them down.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Right.

   20. MTMike Tyson3:04

       I have a great life. How am I gonna be mad at somebody? Really, when you think about it. When my ego's not involved, how can I really be mad at somebody?

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       That's beautiful.

   22. MTMike Tyson3:11

       (laughs)

4. 3:12 – 4:38

   Legacy and balance: what matters more than accomplishments

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:12

      That's a beautiful attitude, and you're so right, because there's so many people that are so concentrating on... They're concentrating so much on succeeding and doing great things-

   2. MTMike Tyson3:20

      That was me. I just wanted to win so bad.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:22

      Yeah.

   4. MTMike Tyson3:22

      I- I wanted to be somebody so bad, it wasn't even funny.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:26

      Yeah, and you forget what life is about. Life is about... Thank you. Life is enjoying moments.

   6. MTMike Tyson3:31

      Life is a balance in life. Your legacy is not what you accomplish, it's what your children say about you at the end of the day. They know who you are, they know what you're hiding that you don't want no one else to see.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      I'm sure you are a fan of Miyamoto Musashi.

   8. MTMike Tyson3:46

      (sighs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      I'm sure.

   10. MTMike Tyson3:47

       Tell me about the Japanese warrior?

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah, Book of Five Rings.

   12. MTMike Tyson3:49

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:50

       He was all about balance.

   14. MTMike Tyson3:51

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:51

       That was his whole thing is like an o- of- a samurai has to be an artist. You have to be able to do calligraphy, you have to be able to paint, you have to be able to write poetry.

   16. MTMike Tyson3:59

       Write, yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       He felt like if you had any imbalance, like if you were like too aggressive or too peaceful, like any imbalance was dangerous. He's like, you had to be like perfectly centered. So you had to be a person who understood all things.

   18. MTMike Tyson4:13

       Yes, true, too.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       You had to do artwork, everything.

   20. MTMike Tyson4:14

       That's true, but, um, everybody can't, um, express themselves being centered.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       Yeah.

   22. MTMike Tyson4:20

       Some people have to be totally insane to express themself.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Mm-hmm.

   24. MTMike Tyson4:23

       Or totally introverted to express themselves and I don't know why it's like that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       I think he's talking about it from a point of fighting with swords.

   26. MTMike Tyson4:30

       Oh, oh, uh, uh, self-control.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Yeah. I think-

   28. MTMike Tyson4:33

       Most fighters that... The- our main problem is self-control. That's our main-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       For sure.

   30. MTMike Tyson4:37

       ... being ourselves, yes.

5. 4:38 – 8:40

   Young champ pressure: obsession, perfectionism, and chaos

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Yeah, and it gets worse as you get more successful-

   2. MTMike Tyson4:41

      Exactly.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      ... and more destructive and more, you know, conqueror. You're the fucking guy in Sports Illustrated, you're the fucking man. I mean, it's just, when you're a- a guy who's in a position like you were in when you were 20 years old, like I've had this conversation with many people, I'm like, "Do you understand the kind of self-control it would take to be the baddest man on the planet and you're only 20?"

   4. MTMike Tyson5:02

      Yeah, it takes a lot of self-control.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      (laughs) Which is crazy.

   6. MTMike Tyson5:04

      Yeah, it takes a lot-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:04

      It's a crazy position to be in.

   8. MTMike Tyson5:05

      ... of self-control.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      So like, imbalance at that point in your life was almost impossible. Like to be like a Miyamoto Musashi type balance.

   10. MTMike Tyson5:12

       It wasn't- it wasn't no balance. It was strict fighting, no grace, it's strict, it's too much this-

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       Yeah.

   12. MTMike Tyson5:17

       ... and this, and it's this. If I, that was bad. "Oh God, fuck, I can't make that happen again. I gotta spar and do better tomorrow."

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       Hmm.

   14. MTMike Tyson5:24

       "That was bad. Oh God, I gotta move my head, man. I got hit today, I got a black eye. Oh God, if Cus is gonna be mad at me if he seen me do this, if he seen me get hit."

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       Hmm.

   16. MTMike Tyson5:32

       It was just everything was on be- being perfect.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       Do you think that that's what it takes to make someone who is as good as you, as young as you, you have to be completely obsessed?

   18. MTMike Tyson5:42

       Me-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       Yeah.

   20. MTMike Tyson5:43

       Mike Tyson-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       Yeah.

   22. MTMike Tyson5:43

       ... I'm an obsessed mentality type of person.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       And at that point in time, I mean-

   24. MTMike Tyson5:48

       Oh...

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       That, I mean, uh, to achieve what you achieved so quickly too, you know, like you met Cus when you were like, what, 13?

   26. MTMike Tyson5:54

       12.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       12. So from 12 to 20, I mean, that's wild. That's a wild ride.

   28. MTMike Tyson5:58

       Well, 12 to 19, he died when I was 19, but the fact is, um, that I c- I, um, I put so much of myself into battling my emotions and everything-That was magnificent, that was great, but then when I came to life, it was disastrous.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Right.

   30. MTMike Tyson6:15

       Imagine being, imagine being the guy who's just so boom, always in the person's face. "Hey, hey."
6. 8:40 – 12:13

   Becoming a master means being an idiot first

   1. MTMike Tyson8:40

      In order to be a master, you have to be the idiot first.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:43

      Right.

   3. MTMike Tyson8:44

      You can't be, you can't be the master without being an idiot. You can't be a master and become a master.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:49

      Right.

   5. MTMike Tyson8:49

      You have to make the mistakes to become a master.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:51

      100%. You have to be a fool.

   7. MTMike Tyson8:53

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:53

      If you're not a fool, you're not learning.

   9. MTMike Tyson8:55

      Hell-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       Yeah.

   11. MTMike Tyson8:56

       ... you have to be a fool. You have to be a fool to even think you wanna reach that level.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       Yeah.

   13. MTMike Tyson9:00

       You have to be a fool.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       And, you know, there's f- it's a funny thing, because a lot of people are scared of trying anything new, skiing, anything, anything they've never done, ice skating. Like, "Ah." People are afraid, because you think about the early times when you were, when you were learning something, you're fucking terrible at it. There's nothing more terrifying than being terrible at fighting, and you're learning fighting around people that are really good at it. And if you, you enter into that realm... Like, you gotta have to be a really courageous person to be a beginner in fighting.

   15. MTMike Tyson9:28

       Listen, um, you always benefit from fighting, because people who don't fight well teach people to fight well.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:35

       Hmm.

   17. MTMike Tyson9:36

       That's normally how it goes. You never see a, you know, great legendary fighter being a great trainer.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Right.

   19. MTMike Tyson9:40

       It's very, very- It's probably 1%.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       Like Emanuel Stewart is a great example, right?

   21. MTMike Tyson9:44

       Exactly.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Emanuel Stewart is not a guy that people knew as like, a great heavyweight fighter, but my God, what a fucking trainer he was.

   23. MTMike Tyson9:51

       That's what happen when you don't fight, you teach.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       You can't... S-

   25. MTMike Tyson9:53

       In everything.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:54

       There's some guys that are... But, like, Freddie Roach was a good fighter, and Freddie Roach is a, an amazing coach. There's exceptions, right?

   27. MTMike Tyson10:01

       They're very 1%, though.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:03

       Right. Yeah.

   29. MTMike Tyson10:03

       The exception's so small.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       It's interesting, like, everybody has their role, right?
7. 12:13 – 14:16

   Mentors and trainers: the Cus D’Amato blueprint

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:13

      And the great coaches find those people and make them better.

   2. MTMike Tyson12:17

      Exactly. You have to bring it out of them.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:18

      Yeah, but you have to have one of those people.... you know?

   4. MTMike Tyson12:21

      Like, no one could exp- um, ignite me like Cus D'Amato.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:26

      Right.

   6. MTMike Tyson12:26

      It's totally different. Y- you couldn't, it's just different. It was so emotional s- i- involved.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:31

      Do you think it would be possible if you met a young man that reminded you of yourself when you were his age, and that would excite you to train him? Like, if he was so excited about it, and so dedicated, and driven, and talented, and you, you felt like he would do everything you told him to do, and he would listen to you?

   8. MTMike Tyson12:50

      Listen, you know how special you have to be to be a trainer?

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:54

      That's what I'm saying.

   10. MTMike Tyson12:55

       I don't care how great you are as a fighter, I don't care how great you are as a skier or bat- you know how great you have to be to be a trainer?

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       Hmm.

   12. MTMike Tyson13:01

       You have to be a, uh, it takes more to be a great trainer than to be a great fighter.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:05

       Do you think it's 'cause a- a great trainer has to be able to teach all kinds of styles?

   14. MTMike Tyson13:09

       No, a great trainer, st- the styles have nothing to do with it. It's the morale behind the style.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       The morale behind the style.

   16. MTMike Tyson13:15

       Yeah. You know, imagine if you have the greatest style, but not the great, um, determination-

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:19

       Right.

   18. MTMike Tyson13:19

       ... and, you know what I mean, and-

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       They don't inspire you.

   20. MTMike Tyson13:22

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       Yeah.

   22. MTMike Tyson13:22

       Then you ain't gonna be nothing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:25

       So, y- y- like, when you have a relationship like yours with Cus, when you were 13 years old-

   24. MTMike Tyson13:30

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       ... I mean, that's the magic relationship in boxing. When people talk about the mentor-

   26. MTMike Tyson13:34

       Mentors are everything.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       Yeah.

   28. MTMike Tyson13:36

       And your job is to make your mentor happy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Right.

   30. MTMike Tyson13:39

       Right. You know, if you do that, you accomplish your job.
8. 14:16 – 17:53

   Fate, psychedelics, and a different relationship with death

   1. MTMike Tyson14:16

      Um, because it's been written.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:17

      Yeah.

   3. MTMike Tyson14:17

      And life is, everything's been written since the beginning of time, it's been written.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:21

      Do you think that everything's been written, like, it all has a purpose to it, it's all going, moving towards a certain goal?

   5. MTMike Tyson14:26

      Absolutely, absolutely.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:28

      Yeah?

   7. MTMike Tyson14:28

      Absolutely.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:28

      What, do you, do you see that, like, when you get really high too?

   9. MTMike Tyson14:32

      Oh.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       Like, that's when I, when I, when I get, do mushrooms, or, um, anytime I do anything psychedelic, I have this weird thought that all of this is, like, playing out-

   11. MTMike Tyson14:42

       No, no, no, no, no, no.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       ... towards a very predetermined outcome.

   13. MTMike Tyson14:44

       All, exactly, all of this is, what we're doing now-

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:47

       Yeah.

   15. MTMike Tyson14:47

       ... me and you and everybody, is a beautiful process of dying.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:50

       Mm-hmm.

   17. MTMike Tyson14:50

       Once you're born, the process begin.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       Yeah.

   19. MTMike Tyson14:53

       And that's what it is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       And you're dying as the world is changing rapidly around you, as more people have access to information.

   21. MTMike Tyson15:00

       No, by you dying, by you dying, you change the world.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       That too.

   23. MTMike Tyson15:04

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       By you living, you change the world.

   25. MTMike Tyson15:05

       Exactly.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       Yeah. That's the thing. It's like every-

   27. MTMike Tyson15:08

       I think death got a bad rap. I think-

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       (laughs)

   29. MTMike Tyson15:11

       No, it has a bad rap. If life's a beaut-

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:13

       That's a great quote, though.
9. 17:53 – 23:38

   Animals, violence, and the ‘we’re animals taught to be human’ theme

   1. MTMike Tyson17:53

      You start, all of a sudden, they start seeing these, um, animals that look deformed with human beings hands and heads and stuff.

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:00

      They've made human monkey chimeras. That means they've combined the DNA of a human-

   3. MTMike Tyson18:05

      Oh, absolutely.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:05

      ... and a monkey. No, they, they, we're talking about-

   5. MTMike Tyson18:07

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:07

      ... how they did this. I think they only did it in the embryonic, like, I don't think they actually raised one to a full-grown-

   7. MTMike Tyson18:13

      Oh, arm is like this.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:14

      ... living animal.

   9. MTMike Tyson18:15

      Oh, and the monkey arm's like this.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       It's crazy.

   11. MTMike Tyson18:17

       It goes right here. Instead of ours going here, his muscles go right here.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:20

       Yeah.... there, there was a, a, a video that, uh, someone sent me, um, of a monkey-

   13. MTMike Tyson18:26

       Shaved?

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:26

       ... pulling this dude's head off.

   15. MTMike Tyson18:28

       Oh, yeah. So the-

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:28

       Pulling this dude's, like, scalp-

   17. MTMike Tyson18:30

       ... face was, face was there.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       ... off his head. Just jumps on top of this dude, bites into his head and-

   19. MTMike Tyson18:34

       Oh.

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       ... peels back his scalp.

   21. MTMike Tyson18:35

       Is it chimpanzee?

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:35

       No, it's a tiny little monkey.

   23. MTMike Tyson18:37

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       That's what's crazy. Here, I'll sh- I'll sh- send it to Jamie, 'cause it's a tiny little monkey and the dude is in India, and it-

   25. NANarrator18:43

       I got it. I got it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       You got it?

   27. NANarrator18:44

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       Okay.

   29. MTMike Tyson18:44

       All right then.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:44

       So this dude is in India. This is it. Check this out.
10. 23:38 – 37:49

    Ancient myths, Amazons, superstition, and early human knowledge

    1. MTMike Tyson23:38

       Yeah, and, um, I seen them and in one particular, it was about Amazons.

    2. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       Mm.

    3. MTMike Tyson23:45

       And one picture they had this one Amazon, she must've been the queen because she was dead. She was like this and she had a man at her feet.

    4. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       Oh, shit.

    5. MTMike Tyson23:53

       In position. He was dead and she was on top of him.

    6. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       That was how she died? That's how they, they buried her?

    7. MTMike Tyson23:58

       Well, that's how they buried her, yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       Whoa, that's heavy.

    9. MTMike Tyson23:59

       In Russia or Ukraine somewhere.

    10. JRJoe Rogan24:01

        That's heavy.

    11. MTMike Tyson24:02

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan24:02

        That's a lady who needs-

    13. MTMike Tyson24:03

        Whoo.

    14. JRJoe Rogan24:03

        ... a lot of attention. (laughs)

    15. MTMike Tyson24:05

        Oh, there's a bunch of them. Listen, they have statues of men fighting the Amazon. They got guys grabbing them by their hair. They got-

    16. JRJoe Rogan24:10

        Wow.

    17. MTMike Tyson24:11

        ... women fighting them back, cutting, you know, jumping on men.

    18. JRJoe Rogan24:14

        Damn.

    19. MTMike Tyson24:14

        They got statues of it. Amazons fighting.

    20. JRJoe Rogan24:19

        There's all kinds of people out there. Imagine if that's a real thing, if there's like a, it was a real tribe of super women-

    21. MTMike Tyson24:25

        You didn't believe that?

    22. JRJoe Rogan24:26

        ... fighters.

    23. MTMike Tyson24:26

        You think it's a fairy tale?

    24. JRJoe Rogan24:28

        I don't think it's a fairy tale.

    25. MTMike Tyson24:29

        No, no, no.

    26. JRJoe Rogan24:30

        I just don't know anything about it.

    27. MTMike Tyson24:31

        Real thing, baby.

    28. JRJoe Rogan24:32

        Real thing.

    29. MTMike Tyson24:33

        Real deal, baby.

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:33

        So, Amazon women-... a, like a tribal group of women.
11. 37:49 – 1:00:30

    Tigers, chimps, and Tyson’s life with big cats

    1. JRJoe Rogan37:49

       This, uh, area in the Sundarbans, these guys have to w- they have to do a survey of how many tigers there are, just so they can keep track. And they go with rifles, and they have these helmets on. And the helmets have a face on the back of the head.

    2. MTMike Tyson38:01

       Yeah, that's what I had to do. Mike had a mask, I had a mask.

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:02

       Really? You had to do that?

    4. MTMike Tyson38:03

       When I turned around, he had a mask, yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan38:05

       Wow. You had to do that, or he would jump on you?

    6. MTMike Tyson38:08

       Well, they think I'm running and shit.

    7. JRJoe Rogan38:10

       Oh, my God.

    8. MTMike Tyson38:10

       And they're playing. And, and if I, if, if they accidentally, 'cause they, they chew on my arm and stuff, and if they accidentally bite my head, they can hurt me. By accident, they don't mean it.

    9. JRJoe Rogan38:18

       Right, right, right.

    10. MTMike Tyson38:19

        'Cause when they on my shoulder and arm, I let them bite me in my legs and stuff.

    11. JRJoe Rogan38:21

        And you're just playing?

    12. MTMike Tyson38:22

        Yeah, but they can, they could pierce my skull.

    13. JRJoe Rogan38:25

        Jesus. How big did they get?

    14. MTMike Tyson38:28

        600, 500. That's when they're eating good, man. That's when they're eating good. But (sighs) -

    15. JRJoe Rogan38:33

        But you never felt nervous around them or you never felt like they might kill one of your friends accidentally?

    16. MTMike Tyson38:39

        Definitely one of my friends or my family member.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:42

        (laughs)

    18. MTMike Tyson38:42

        You know, there's the relationship with tigers and stuff are different than with lions and stuff.

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:46

        Mm-hmm.

    20. MTMike Tyson38:46

        Lions are like dogs and stuff. They like hanging out with family member, but tiger only hangs out with you.

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:52

        Oh, really?

    22. MTMike Tyson38:52

        Yeah, yeah. Only with you, and you hope, you better hope he doesn't like one of your children-

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:57

        Oh, Jesus Christ.

    24. MTMike Tyson38:57

        ... because then you can't touch, play with your children. He might kill you.

    25. JRJoe Rogan39:00

        Oh, my God.

    26. MTMike Tyson39:01

        It's crazy. That's what the tigers are crazy. They get at- they get attached to one person.

    27. JRJoe Rogan39:05

        Oh, my God.

    28. MTMike Tyson39:05

        They're not getting, they're not no family people. (laughs) One person.

    29. JRJoe Rogan39:11

        Whoa.

    30. MTMike Tyson39:11

        They don't fuck around with a whole bunch of people. They're not like lion. Lions hang out there in the front table, your table, hanging out with the family and stuff.
12. 1:00:30 – 1:05:55

    Shark Week chaos and learning animal ‘rules’ (chairs, eye contact, dominance)

    1. MTMike Tyson1:00:30

       (laughs) I said, "Mike, don't do this shit, man." And look, listen, I love Dana, right? Dana White's my man, I don't care. No one could... I could never say nothing bad about him. So he said, "Mike, I don't want you to fight, man. I'm gonna get you a job, make you some money." He gets me the goddamn Shark Week job. He gets me the job, I got to sh- put the shark asleep now.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       (laughs)

    3. MTMike Tyson1:00:51

       He doesn't want me to fight and get knocked out and beat up, but he wants me to go in there and put a shark to sleep.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       How the fuck do you put a shark to sleep? You rub his belly?

    5. MTMike Tyson1:00:59

       You play with... Yeah, yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       Oh, his chin? What the fuck?

    7. MTMike Tyson1:01:00

       You play with his chin. Like, "Hey, little buddy," and he's real big and now... Listen.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       What? (laughs)

    9. MTMike Tyson1:01:05

       And then, so I- I got the shark, like the nine-footer. I got hi-... I- I made him, um, catatomic.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

        (laughs)

    11. MTMike Tyson1:01:11

        He, he freaked out and just chilled, right? So, um, the next day I have to do the tiger shark. The tiger shark is the most aggressive shark. He's a monster. Look how big, how big is a tiger shark?

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

        Oh, my God.

    13. MTMike Tyson1:01:23

        How big is a tiger shark?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

        They're very aggressive, aren't they?

    15. MTMike Tyson1:01:25

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

        I think they're like 14 feet.

    17. MTMike Tyson1:01:29

        Well, check this out. How big is this tiger shark?

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

        I think a big one is like that. (make up sound with mouth)

    19. NANarrator1:01:34

        Yeah, 14.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

        14?

    21. MTMike Tyson1:01:36

        All right. So they do this, so they do... Excuse me. No racist... They do this white shoe with me. They go, "All right, Mike. So we got the tiger shark tomorrow, all right? He's more aggressive, of course, so you have to move differently with this guy. And he's gonna come at you, but when he comes you go underneath his neck when he tries to attack. You go underneath and, and you slip-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

        What? (laughs)

    23. MTMike Tyson1:01:55

        ... and you tickle his th- his neck." So I'm in there, I'm thinking when this... I'm like... Listen, they're throwing blood in the water, dead fish. They're putting the water...

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:04

        (laughs)

    25. MTMike Tyson1:02:04

        The ocean is getting red out, man. It's a big, it's a big bloody mess there.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

        Oh, my God.

    27. MTMike Tyson1:02:08

        And listen, the tiger shark don't show up.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

        Really?

    29. MTMike Tyson1:02:13

        No shark showed up. The tiger shark, no shark showed up. I felt, "God, thank you. That's, uh, Allah, God."

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:20

        Thank God.

Episode duration: 3:34:01