Joe Rogan Experience #1807 - Douglas Murray

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music) Oh. Well, I guess we are going there. (laughs)

   3. DMDouglas Murray0:15

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      We're up and running.

   5. DMDouglas Murray0:16

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      First of all, you look fucking great. You look like you've been working out. What's going on?

   7. DMDouglas Murray0:20

      I have been.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      You have been.

   9. DMDouglas Murray0:21

      And I'm also not wearing suits.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Dude, you look jacked.

   11. DMDouglas Murray0:24

       Well, that's very kind. So do you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       You do.

   13. DMDouglas Murray0:26

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       But you look like, uh, like- like the pandemic's been... There's two different types of people during the pandemic, the people that gained weight and the people that got fit, and you look like a- a fit man.

   15. DMDouglas Murray0:34

       I tr- I certainly tried not to gain weight during the pandemic.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah, you look good.

   17. DMDouglas Murray0:37

       Uh, very kind.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Congratulations on that.

   19. DMDouglas Murray0:38

       Thank you, you too.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       On holding it down. What does it feel like to be wandering the world now?

   21. DMDouglas Murray0:43

       Uh, yeah, I mean, I sort of was a bit during the pandemic. Joe Rogan: Oh, you're a risk taker. Well, I- I- I don't like to say exactly, uh, what I did, but I did decide that after lockdown one in my native country of the UK, I wasn't going through that again.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Mm-hmm.

   23. DMDouglas Murray0:59

       I mean, uh, lockdowns are bad everywhere, but in the UK they just kept doing them.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   25. DMDouglas Murray1:03

       And they started one of them in late December one year, and it was just like, like... You don't wanna spend January locked in your house and, you know, it's bad enough in the UK anyway.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:15

       How did the UK handle lockdowns in terms of the restrictions? Like, what did they do?

   27. DMDouglas Murray1:20

       It was really strict.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Yeah.

   29. DMDouglas Murray1:21

       Really strict. I mean, just terrible. Uh, and you, things like, you were only allowed out f- once a day from your house for one bit of physical exercise. One friend of mine called me one day and she said, uh, "Do you have, um, spies in your neighborhood?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:35

       (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) I'll show you…

   1. DMDouglas Murray15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      (laughs) I'll show you a death threat.

   3. DMDouglas Murray15:04

      I'll show you a death-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Let me just go through my Twitter feed real quick.

   5. DMDouglas Murray15:06

      RIP, uh, um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:08

      Cathy Newman's career?

   7. DMDouglas Murray15:08

      ... Cathy, that is not a death-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      That's not at all.

   9. DMDouglas Murray15:09

      And they were like, "We have to call in security now." Because that, because of course that means that then you haven't done the bad thing.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       Right.

   11. DMDouglas Murray15:16

       You're the victim.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       Right. She's a victim. Well, it's a great strategy.

   13. DMDouglas Murray15:19

       It's a great strategy.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       It's a great strategy for instantaneously becoming a victim. But that-

   15. DMDouglas Murray15:23

       For sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       That's quite cute that RIP Cathy Newman is a death threat. (laughs)

   17. DMDouglas Murray15:27

       Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how likely is it that that guy is gonna follow through on that?

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:30

       Yeah.

   19. DMDouglas Murray15:30

       I mean, it's...

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:31

       There was one moment in the cr- in that interview though where she did show a sense of humor, 'cause he asked a question. She was asking about offensive, like why should you... I think it was like, why should you, uh, be allowed to offend people? He's like, "If you're allowed to talk and think, you have to risk being offensive."

   21. DMDouglas Murray15:46

       That's right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       They had this conversation. And then, I forget what it is, he caught her. And she's in the moment, he goes-

   23. DMDouglas Murray15:51

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       ... "I got you, right?" And she goes, "Yes you did. It c- took quite a while, but you got me." And they were kind of like joking around about it.

   25. DMDouglas Murray15:56

       That's right. 'Cause she was silent for a bit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Yes.

   27. DMDouglas Murray15:58

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       She, but she, she went into that argument or that discussion with the goal of making it controversial, the goal of like trying to catch him and trying to press him. Like that's the thing. Instead of just having a conversation with someone, you don't know Jordan Peterson-

   29. DMDouglas Murray16:12

       Hm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       ... you're meeting him for the first time, let's talk to him.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. (laughs) …

   1. DMDouglas Murray30:00

      last couple of years as I've seen people going what, off what I regard as a reservation.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. DMDouglas Murray30:07

      I just try to be... You know, uh, never close the door entirely, but it's, it's, it's been tricky in the last couple of years.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      Yes.

   5. DMDouglas Murray30:16

      It's been very tricky.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Well, you, you learn about character when people encounter adversity. And this was the first time on a global scale where we encountered a universal enemy.... that was scary to some people and not as scary to others, so there was a debate on how to deal with it-

   7. DMDouglas Murray30:36

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      ... and how to react. And there was certain places that were just saying, "We're just gonna go business as usual and protect the-

   9. DMDouglas Murray30:44

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:44

       ... the people that are in danger." And then there's other places going, "Fuck that. We're going full authoritarian." Like, we were talking about Singapore-

   11. DMDouglas Murray30:51

       Sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       ... earlier today. And I have a friend who's a trainer in Singapore.

   13. DMDouglas Murray30:54

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       He trains UFC fighters at the Performance Institute-

   15. DMDouglas Murray30:57

       Oh, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       ... in Singapore. Totally locked down. Everyone's locked down. He caught COVID. He tested positive. He had no symptoms. He had to be, like, fully isolated in a quarantine facility-

   17. DMDouglas Murray31:06

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       ... for 12 days. Never had a symptom, nothing. Uh, all their athletes are... They have to work out by themselves, so they're doing solo workouts to prepare for fights. It's crazy. So, they're in rooms.

   19. DMDouglas Murray31:21

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Like, they're quarantined in a-

   21. DMDouglas Murray31:23

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       ... like, a single room or an apartment. And they, they just have to, like, do pushups and sit-ups and shadow box, no sparring, no technique training. And then they're gonna have a cage fight soon.

   23. DMDouglas Murray31:34

       This is, um... I mean, it is a pretty good way to drive people mad.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       Yeah.

   25. DMDouglas Murray31:38

       It's, it's about the best if you think about it, isn't it? Uh, they lock people up and isolate them completely.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       Well, also in this case 'cause it's so illogical.

   27. DMDouglas Murray31:46

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       Because you're talking about something with this new strain that's essentially like a cold.

   29. DMDouglas Murray31:50

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       Yes-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Not only that. Unfortunately,…

   1. DMDouglas Murray45:01

      And they just ... They never are.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Not only that. Unfortunately, it set a precedent and it set a trend.

   3. DMDouglas Murray45:07

      Right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      And the over ... If you look from whenever they first started banning people on Twitter and then i- instigating censorship. And Twitter's still not as bad as some platforms.

   5. DMDouglas Murray45:18

      Do you think?

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Yes.

   7. DMDouglas Murray45:18

      Oh, I thought it was the worst.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      Instagram's pretty fucking bad. Instagram's pretty bad, you know? They, they-

   9. DMDouglas Murray45:24

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       They suspend people's accounts-

   11. DMDouglas Murray45:26

       Oh, I-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       ... they shadow ban people for-

   13. DMDouglas Murray45:28

       Yeah. There was a c- a case I had recently. The, uh, the trans, uh, swimmer, um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Leah Thomas?

   15. DMDouglas Murray45:33

       Leah Thomas.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Yeah.

   17. DMDouglas Murray45:34

       Uh, um, Leah Thomas, when ... If you ... On ins- on Twitter, if you said, if you misgendered you got-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Yes.

   19. DMDouglas Murray45:42

       ... you got suspended.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       Deadnamed.

   21. DMDouglas Murray45:44

       Dead- deadnamed.

   22. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       You don't get suspended; you get banned.

   23. DMDouglas Murray45:46

       What's her name? Leah Thomas was born ...

   24. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       I don't know.

   25. DMDouglas Murray45:49

       William Thomas.

   26. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Is that what it is?

   27. DMDouglas Murray45:50

       I think, yeah. Yeah, 'cause I- I thought-

   28. JRJoe Rogan45:52

       I don't even notice that that was a real thing.

   29. DMDouglas Murray45:54

       It's born William Thomas-

   30. JRJoe Rogan45:55

       I just only see her as Leah forever.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:15

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. DMDouglas Murray1:00:01

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      (laughs) By the people, for the people-

   4. DMDouglas Murray1:00:03

      By the people, of the people.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      ... of the people. But the problem is the people are retarded.

   6. DMDouglas Murray1:00:10

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

      It should be, "By the retarded, for the retarded."

   8. DMDouglas Murray1:00:14

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      It's like, oh my God.

   10. DMDouglas Murray1:00:16

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       A guru is saying that.

   12. DMDouglas Murray1:00:17

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       And it's something about the fact that he's dead now, and then-

   14. DMDouglas Murray1:00:20

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

       ... like he said it decades ago, and it's like-

   16. DMDouglas Murray1:00:23

       But we are-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

       ... very funny.

   18. DMDouglas Murray1:00:24

       We are searching for, for, for things at the moment.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       Yeah.

   20. DMDouglas Murray1:00:27

       And it seems very obvious to me. I mean, obviou- you know, what plenty of people have called the re- like, things like the religion of anti-racism and the religion of social justice, all that stuff.... they are all something to do, you know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       Yes.

   22. DMDouglas Murray1:00:38

       Uh, at some very, very deep level. Like, you've, you've had your purpose today.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Mm-hmm.

   24. DMDouglas Murray1:00:43

       Like, you've had your five fruit and veg. You've had your meaning.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Yeah. Yeah, you've had your meaning. Y- you've- you're making a difference. And that's like, a lot of the people that complain online, and they think of themselves as activists because they're on Twitter. And they're s- they think they're shaping culture by just complaining about stuff online on Twitter. That seems to be-

   26. DMDouglas Murray1:01:00

       Yeah, and they think that if they kick really hard and nastily-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Yeah.

   28. DMDouglas Murray1:01:04

       ... that's really good 'cause it'll cause...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

       Yeah.

   30. DMDouglas Murray1:01:08

       I- i- it'll cause a, a reaction. And, a- and, yeah, I'm, I'm fairly convinced that this is one of the ex- explanations for the really horrible behavior of a lot of people in our time. I mean, who, who do things in, in the name of goodness, which they should just be ashamed of.

Episode duration: 2:57:48