Joe Rogan Experience #1808 - Dan Soder

1. 0:00 – 0:31

   Meeting Dan Soder + why funny people are always “weirdos”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All good, Dan Soder, all good, we're up and running. What's happening, brother? How are you?

   3. DSDan Soder0:18

      So, Joe, what's up, Joe Rogan?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Very nice to meet you officially.

   5. DSDan Soder0:20

      Very nice to officially meet you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I've, I've enjoyed your comedy online.

   7. DSDan Soder0:23

      Thanks, man.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      It's nice to, nice to see you in person.

   9. DSDan Soder0:25

      Friend of a friend of multiple friends.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Yeah. You're in the tight group of, of excellent people, so-

   11. DSDan Soder0:29

       Yeah, thanks.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... you're respected.

2. 0:31 – 2:13

   Joke theft fears, writing difficulty, and the pain of seeing a perfect bit

   1. DSDan Soder0:31

      Yeah. I got, I got a lot of funny friends that are also fucking weirdos.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      (laughs) Yeah. Well, I don't know a funny one that's not a weirdo.

   3. DSDan Soder0:37

      Yeah. Show me someone that's funny, and they're not gonna be, you know-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      Who-

   5. DSDan Soder0:40

      They can be, they can be quiet, but they're weird.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:42

      Everyone who tells jokes for a living is fucking weird.

   7. DSDan Soder0:46

      Psychos and phonies.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:47

      Yeah. (laughs)

   9. DSDan Soder0:47

      I said that to Santino. We're all either psychos or phonies.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Is there any phonies that are good, though?

   11. DSDan Soder0:53

       They get found out.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Yeah, but they're only psychos then.

   13. DSDan Soder0:56

       Here, here's the thing. No, the phonies, they can trick you for a little. It's got-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Hm.

   15. DSDan Soder1:00

       ... 'cause you gotta have a little sweetness in it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Right.

   17. DSDan Soder1:02

       And then they, then they, like, whip it into... You know what it is? It's a Oz.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       Ah.

   19. DSDan Soder1:07

       The phonies are Oz.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Oh, okay.

   21. DSDan Soder1:08

       They have, like, the big booming voice, and everyone's like, "Oh."

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Ah.

   23. DSDan Soder1:11

       And then there's just a guy behind a curtain and you're like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Mm.

   25. DSDan Soder1:14

       ... "the fuck?"

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Well, the phonie- the scary for the phonies must be when they get caught stealing jokes, 'cause then they have to write all their own jokes afterwards and they don't really know how to do that.

   27. DSDan Soder1:22

       That's hard.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       It's the hardest.

   29. DSDan Soder1:24

       To writing jokes?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       It's the hardest. Coming up with premises, fleshing them out, trying to figure out the right way to do them.
3. 2:13 – 6:08

   Workplace microchips to Klaus Schwab: “real-life supervillain” energy

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:13

      There was a fucking company in Europe that was chipping their employees, and for normal shit, like getting into a door and, like, buying something in the commissary.

   2. DSDan Soder2:23

      But that European attitude, they're like, "Us? It's fine."

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      Yes.

   4. DSDan Soder2:26

      "I just chip, I just chip in if the door opens."

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:29

      "If the door opens, it's no problem."

   6. DSDan Soder2:31

      "And ever since I go get my little espresso and I come outside, I'm chipped. Yeah, I don't..." It's always that European attitude that makes me feel like, are we as Americans overly paranoid-

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:41

      Well, that's-

   8. DSDan Soder2:41

      ... or are we right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      That's why I like when that Klaus Schwab guy talks.

   10. DSDan Soder2:45

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Who's the-

   12. DSDan Soder2:45

       I don't even know who that is. You could've made that name up.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       You don't know who that guy is?

   14. DSDan Soder2:48

       That sounds like a made-up name.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       He's... Oh, my God. He's the head of the World Economic Forum, and he dresses like a bad guy in a comic book.

   16. DSDan Soder2:58

       Hell yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:58

       And I'm not kidding. I mean-

   18. DSDan Soder2:59

       If you have that... I'm telling you, if you're that kind of power, do that.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Why not?

   20. DSDan Soder3:03

       Do that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Yeah.

   22. DSDan Soder3:04

       Honestly, I think-

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       Relax.

   24. DSDan Soder3:05

       ... I think you should lean into, like, you should start advertising yourself as, like, a Bond villain.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       (laughs)

   26. DSDan Soder3:10

       Think about it, dude. You got the, you got the compound in Texas. You know karate.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       (laughs)

   28. DSDan Soder3:16

       You're already a Bond villain, dude. And then you just, then you can just sit in a chair and be like, "Jamie, pull it up. The world must pay me." Do it, dude.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       Yeah.

   30. DSDan Soder3:24

       You could do it.
4. 6:08 – 6:45

   Institutions vs. random websites: how misinformation spreads fast

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:08

      That's the problem. It's like, as much as we complain about, like, the New York Times and The Washington Post, imagine if all of your news just came from websites.

   2. DSDan Soder6:18

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      Look at it the other way. Look at it the other way.

   4. DSDan Soder6:19

      Yeah. If it was all-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:20

      Like, if-

   6. DSDan Soder6:20

      It's all a thing that someone could build in a day.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:22

      Right. Yeah. Like-

   8. DSDan Soder6:23

      Like, The New York Times, you can hate them what they are, but that is an institution.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Yes.

   10. DSDan Soder6:26

       You know what... They have offices.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       Yes.

   12. DSDan Soder6:28

       They have a payroll. They have a history.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Yes.

   14. DSDan Soder6:30

       You can just have a website drop a picture of Klaus Schwab-

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       (laughs)

   16. DSDan Soder6:33

       ... in a, in a thong with a gray. And it's gonna be like, (laughs) "Where did this come from?" And, but then the internet, the internet does what the internet does best, and they take something and run with it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       Oh, yeah.

   18. DSDan Soder6:42

       And so then it would just be on.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Yeah. Yeah.

5. 6:45 – 8:18

   Mike Tyson plane incident + the myth of “registered lethal hands”

   1. DSDan Soder6:45

      There's gonna be conspiracy theories about why Mike Tyson lit that dude up on that plane.

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      That's-

   3. DSDan Soder6:49

      You know what I mean?

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:49

      ... real simple. That dude was a douchebag. And he was, uh-

   5. DSDan Soder6:52

      Did you see the other video?

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      ... he was annoying one of the baddest motherfuckers that, that's ever walked the face of the Earth.

   7. DSDan Soder6:57

      Talk about kicking a beehive.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      (laughs)

   9. DSDan Soder6:58

      What the fuck are you doing, dude?

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       That's so dumb. That's not even kicking a beehive. It's like smashing... It's headbutting a beehive.

   11. DSDan Soder7:04

       Yeah. It's like trying to put your dick in a sleeping bear's mouth.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       Bzz. (laughs)

   13. DSDan Soder7:08

       Like, he just walked up and was like, "I'm gonna lower my wiener right into the bear's mouth." Mike Tyson, also there's a video that came out of the angle of him talking to someone. And he's, like, talking shit in a way where you're like, "This guy's hammered and doesn't know what's coming."

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:22

       Yeah.

   15. DSDan Soder7:23

       'Cause I bet in his head he's like, "He won't punch me. He can't punch me."

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:27

       Oh, my God.

   17. DSDan Soder7:27

       He's, I bet he's a guy that thinks Mike Tyson's hands are registered lethal weapons.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       (laughs)

   19. DSDan Soder7:32

       It strikes me as that guy.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:33

       (laughs)

   21. DSDan Soder7:33

       He's like... And he, by the way, I saw the guy's shape and I was like, "That guy would kick the shit out of me."

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       That was a thing that people would always say, right?

   23. DSDan Soder7:41

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:41

       That he had to register his hands as deadly weapons.

   25. DSDan Soder7:43

       I think I said it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       (laughs)

   27. DSDan Soder7:44

       I've spread that around. I've been putting out that propaganda. Be like, "You know they have to register their hands as d-," look, "lethal weap-" I'm that, that's my level of dumb-

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       Yeah.

   29. DSDan Soder7:52

       ... where you tell me that and I'm like, "I knew that was true." I wonder if it's a state thing or a federal thing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Oh. (laughs)
6. 8:18 – 16:28

   Affliction MMA nostalgia and the legend of Fedor (the “sloppy king”)

   1. DSDan Soder8:18

      Was UFC when dudes would just rock Affliction shirts.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Oh, yeah, man.

   3. DSDan Soder8:22

      And I lived in-

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      With the silver foil writing.

   5. DSDan Soder8:25

      Yeah. I lived in Tucson in the early 2000s and you'd just see big dudes in Affliction shirts. And here's the thing, I'm not gonna test that theory.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      It was the style.

   7. DSDan Soder8:34

      Yeah. And they had, like, super gelled up hair.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:36

      Yeah. (laughs)

   9. DSDan Soder8:36

      And they're just mean mugging everyone.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       (laughs)

   11. DSDan Soder8:38

       I was rocking Liquor Tee Shirts and shitty dungarees. I was like, "Dude, I ain't gotta see if this guy knows how to fight or not. I don't give a fuck."

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:45

       Eh, those are the early days. That's when things were wild. It's, Affliction had their own promotion.

   13. DSDan Soder8:49

       Yeah, I remember that. They got F- Fedor, didn't they?

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   15. DSDan Soder8:51

       I remember that. I worked at, um, K-Rock in New York when Stern left. They, like, turned it to Free FM and then they brought it back, K-Rock with Opie and Anthony.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       Hmm.

   17. DSDan Soder9:00

       And I was doing, like, overnights. And I bought, I somehow got that Affliction fight on the TV in the old A-, O&A studio. And that felt like, I was like, "Dude, this is, uh, this is better than working. I'm not, I'm getting paid to watch this Fedor fight." I mean, it was a quick fight, but.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       Yeah. He fought over there a couple times, right? He fought Tim Sylvia.

   19. DSDan Soder9:18

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:18

       I think he fought Andrei Arlovski over there too.

   21. DSDan Soder9:20

       Yeah. He was fun. He was a-

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       Was it, was that Affliction? Were they both Affliction?

   23. DSDan Soder9:24

       I don't know. I think, I know the Sylvia fight was Affliction.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       They spent a lot of fucking money, man.

   25. DSDan Soder9:29

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       They went crazy. They, they tried to go crazy. I knew one of the owners. Shout out to Mr. Atencio. He's a cool motherfucker. They're, they're cool people.

   27. DSDan Soder9:36

       I, I also just had the realization that I'm talking to Joe Rogan about this.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       (laughs)

   29. DSDan Soder9:40

       Like, I was, we were just having a conversation and I'm like, "I'm talking to a guy that actually knows these people." (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Yeah.
7. 16:28 – 21:07

   Karate demos, breaking boards, and McDojoLife fake martial arts

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      You ever seen those videos of dudes, like, smashing bricks with their fucking forehead?

   2. DSDan Soder16:32

      Oh, yeah, or tree punching videos.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:34

      Like, what kind of skill is it? Tree punching is one thing. It hurts your hand. It doesn't change the way you think.

   4. DSDan Soder16:37

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:38

      Imagine being so dumb that you're gonna-

   6. DSDan Soder16:40

      I forgot it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      ... change the way you think on purpose.

   8. DSDan Soder16:42

      You go, "I went out to the woods and forgot a couple cousins 'cause I was just smashing my fucking head into a tree."

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:47

      This is one video of a dude t- tries, and it doesn't work, and then he tries again. And he's basically KO'd, and he's wobbling around 'cause he just headbutted some fucking marble.

   10. DSDan Soder16:57

       Is he doing that, like... Wait, he was doing marble?

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       It was on some thick ass stone, whatever the fuck it was.

   12. DSDan Soder17:01

       Any of those break videos, again, growing up on action movies in the '80s and the '90s-... any time they showed the brick breaking scenes, I'd always be like, "Eh, that's not for me." I did all the training, but that just seems... Did you ever do that in karate? Were you breaking boards?

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       When we would open up a new school, we would do demonstrations. And one of the things that people wanted to see was people breaking boards.

   14. DSDan Soder17:23

       See, I want-

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       I broke boards.

   16. DSDan Soder17:24

       Did you?

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       A lot of boards.

   18. DSDan Soder17:26

       Didn't-

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       But I only broke boards during demonstrations. We never even practiced it.

   20. DSDan Soder17:30

       So you wouldn't just be at home with your friend and you're like, "Dude."

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:32

       No.

   22. DSDan Soder17:32

       "Pick that board up."

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       No, no, no, no, no, no.

   24. DSDan Soder17:33

       And then just fucking jump off the couch and karate kick it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       No. We never practiced breaking boards. We just practiced for tournaments. So, like, when we were breaking a board, it was just for fun.

   26. DSDan Soder17:43

       You're just like... Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       You just kick it. You just kick it. Like, they break easy. They, they, they break so easy.

   28. DSDan Soder17:48

       (laughs) Yeah. But I'm trying to think of me. I'm trying (laughs) , trying to kick a board and just missing-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:51

       Oh.

   30. DSDan Soder17:51

       ... and being like, "Fuck."
8. 21:07 – 26:23

   China, traditional martial arts pride, and the Weili–Joanna war (hematoma talk)

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      ... woman named Zhang Weili.

   2. DSDan Soder21:08

      Yeah, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan21:09

      She's like one of... Yeah. She's former champion, one of the top, uh, women 150 pound fighters-

   4. DSDan Soder21:12

      One of the greatest fights I've ever seen in my life.

   5. JRJoe Rogan21:15

      Her and Ioanna?

   6. DSDan Soder21:15

      Oh, my God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan21:16

      Oh, my God. It was insane.

   8. DSDan Soder21:17

      Oh, my God. First off, when you see Ioanna's face after the fight-

   9. JRJoe Rogan21:20

      Ugh.

   10. DSDan Soder21:20

       ... you're like, "That's Photoshopped."

   11. JRJoe Rogan21:21

       There's a football in her head.

   12. DSDan Soder21:22

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       Her head was like a football was glued onto her head.

   14. DSDan Soder21:25

       Remember Oddities on MTV where the guy would crawl out of the brain?

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       Oh, yeah. (laughs)

   16. DSDan Soder21:28

       That's what it looked like. A giant head and a-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:30

       Imagine if it, that lanced in the fight.

   18. DSDan Soder21:32

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Imagine if Weili landed, like, an, an elbow.

   20. DSDan Soder21:36

       Yeah. You would've been in the splash zone.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       Oh, my God.

   22. DSDan Soder21:38

       It would've been like a Gallagher show.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       He would've just dumped-

   24. DSDan Soder21:41

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       ... out of her head.

   26. DSDan Soder21:41

       'Cause the way it formed up.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       There was so much fluid in there.

   28. DSDan Soder21:44

       Oh.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:44

       It was crazy. Bro, that's all blood.

   30. DSDan Soder21:48

       (sighs)
9. 26:23 – 56:02

   Bombing, check spots, brutal gigs, and learning to control a room

   1. DSDan Soder26:23

      It's al- that's how I always felt about, like, um, whenever I've been nervous about something in comedy, there's always, you always talk to someone older and they're over it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:32

      Like, what kind of stages?

   3. DSDan Soder26:34

      Like, when I started, I, uh, I went on the road with Bobby Kelly, who's one of the best. He's like my older brother.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:39

      I love Bobby.

   5. DSDan Soder26:39

      Bobby is one of the funniest human beings and makes me... I can call him and just laugh, like, anytime I want. But I opened for him, and Bobby's Bobby, you know, Boston tough and shit. And he's like, "You fucking, you love featuring, dude?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:51

      Yeah.

   7. DSDan Soder26:51

      "You're featuring? You having fun, huh? Doing your, your ti- your best jokes in the middle of the show? Call me when you're a headliner. Have fun with that," you know? And then I was headlining and I was in Kansas City and I was just bombing, bombing.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:04

      (laughs)

   9. DSDan Soder27:04

      And I was doing, like, Wednesday through Sunday. It's one of those long weeks. You know, uh, it might've been a Tuesday through Sunday. And it's just, like, a Thursday and I'm walking through a hot Target parking lot and I call Bobby and I'm like, "I'm fucking bombing, dude. This sucks and I'm intimidated." And he's like, "Eh, you know what? You wanted to be a headliner, huh?"

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:22

       (laughs)

   11. DSDan Soder27:23

       "Well, now you're a headliner and you're fucking... This is what happens." And then he told me, he's like, "It's not a big deal. It's not gonna be shit in two years. So, just walk through it." And then that confidence of him being, like, over it and being like, "Yeah, dude, whatever. You're working a week. You're gonna do this a lot the rest of your life." You're like, "Oh, fuck. All right." It just, it was a small comfort.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:39

       You need those sets.

   13. DSDan Soder27:41

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       They're, they're important.

   15. DSDan Soder27:43

       (sighs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:43

       Those, those sets that suck-

   17. DSDan Soder27:44

       The humbling ones?

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:45

       ... they teach you things. Yeah.

   19. DSDan Soder27:45

       The great humblers? When you just come through and just get ear holed?

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:49

       (coughs) Yeah.

   21. DSDan Soder27:49

       It's fucking-

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:50

       I've have, I have some from the '90s I still think about.

   23. DSDan Soder27:52

       Uh, I have an open mic.

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:54

       (laughs)

   25. DSDan Soder27:54

       I swear to God, Joe. I have an open mic in Tucson, Arizona at Laughs Comedy Club. I was telling my friend Jesse Campbell about this the other month when I was in Minnesota. I remember everything about the bomb. It was a three-minute open mic set and I lasted-

   26. JRJoe Rogan28:09

       (laughs)

   27. DSDan Soder28:09

       ... a minute 16. (laughs) I lasted, I couldn't even-

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:13

       Oh.

   29. DSDan Soder28:13

       ... fill my time. And it was all premises. I was just going up there being like, "You guys, uh, you ever go on, uh, a d- a date?" (sighs) "My, my TV's busted." And it's just like I was just-

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:26

       How many times had you done an open mic before that?
10. 56:02 – 1:19:40

    Is comedy peaking or crashing? Podcasting, doom-and-gloom, therapy, and COVID lessons

    1. JRJoe Rogan56:02

       But that was the thing in the '90s, and the, the guys that are coming up today, they don't have that attitude anymore. Everybody does everybody's podcast, so it's-

    2. DSDan Soder56:07

       Everyone's like, "Hey-"

    3. JRJoe Rogan56:08

       ... it's way healthier.

    4. DSDan Soder56:09

       ... "Hey, check this guy out."

    5. JRJoe Rogan56:10

       Yeah.

    6. DSDan Soder56:10

       "I really care about him." Well, that's what's interesting. I, I love talking to, like, um, guys that have been around because history repeats itself. And you've been in comedy where you've watched the crash... The '90s, guys? People don't realize about, just about the mid-'90s, early two-, early-2000 com- comics. You guys were doing it for nobody. No one gave a fuck about comedy.

    7. JRJoe Rogan56:33

       They did in certain places.

    8. DSDan Soder56:34

       But you look at the store. You look at The Cellar. Louis put up this old video of him at The Cellar from, like, 2001. There's no one there. There's, like, 15 people, and they're just running a show all night being like-

    9. JRJoe Rogan56:46

       Right.

    10. DSDan Soder56:46

        "Whoever comes in, they stay until they wanna leave. We put up as many comics as we can."

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:49

        Right.

    12. DSDan Soder56:49

        And now they're like, "Good luck getting a reservation two weeks before." That's like a, it's like a-

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:54

        Yeah.

    14. DSDan Soder56:54

        ... hot ticket. So I try to tell my friends. I'm like, "Guys, just be aware that that might be coming back." There might be a, we might have reached a point in comedy, and I think-

    15. JRJoe Rogan57:06

        No.

    16. DSDan Soder57:06

        You don't think that's-

    17. JRJoe Rogan57:07

        No.

    18. DSDan Soder57:07

        You don't think that?

    19. JRJoe Rogan57:08

        Not even-

    20. DSDan Soder57:08

        You think it's-

    21. JRJoe Rogan57:08

        ... close.

    22. DSDan Soder57:09

        Really?

    23. JRJoe Rogan57:09

        The opposite. It's the opposite. It's the mo-

    24. DSDan Soder57:11

        You think it's still going up?

    25. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        It's the most fun thing to go see.

    26. DSDan Soder57:15

        It is very fun to go see.

    27. JRJoe Rogan57:16

        And it's live. It's one of the rare live things.

    28. DSDan Soder57:19

        But you don't think podcasting, specifically podcasting, started showing people, too many people how the sausage is made?

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:25

        No, fuck the sausage.

    30. DSDan Soder57:27

        (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:22:30