Joe Rogan Experience #1808 - Dan Soder

Narrator 0:00 (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) All good, Dan Soder, all good, we're up and running. What's happening, brother? How are you?

Dan Soder 0:18 So, Joe, what's up, Joe Rogan?

Joe Rogan 0:18 Very nice to meet you officially.

Dan Soder 0:20 Very nice to officially meet you.

Joe Rogan 0:21 I've, I've enjoyed your comedy online.

Dan Soder 0:23 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 0:23 It's nice to, nice to see you in person.

Dan Soder 0:25 Friend of a friend of multiple friends.

Joe Rogan 0:27 Yeah. You're in the tight group of, of excellent people, so-

Dan Soder 0:29 Yeah, thanks.

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... you're respected.

Dan Soder 0:31 Yeah. I got, I got a lot of funny friends that are also fucking weirdos.

Joe Rogan 0:34 (laughs) Yeah. Well, I don't know a funny one that's not a weirdo.

Dan Soder 0:37 Yeah. Show me someone that's funny, and they're not gonna be, you know-

Joe Rogan 0:40 Who-

Dan Soder 0:40 They can be, they can be quiet, but they're weird.

Joe Rogan 0:42 Everyone who tells jokes for a living is fucking weird.

Dan Soder 0:46 Psychos and phonies.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Yeah. (laughs)

Dan Soder 0:47 I said that to Santino. We're all either psychos or phonies.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Is there any phonies that are good, though?

Dan Soder 0:53 They get found out.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Yeah, but they're only psychos then.

Dan Soder 0:56 Here, here's the thing. No, the phonies, they can trick you for a little. It's got-

Joe Rogan 1:00 Hm.

Dan Soder 1:00 ... 'cause you gotta have a little sweetness in it.

Joe Rogan 1:02 Right.

Dan Soder 1:02 And then they, then they, like, whip it into... You know what it is? It's a Oz.

Joe Rogan 1:07 Ah.

Dan Soder 1:07 The phonies are Oz.

Joe Rogan 1:08 Oh, okay.

Dan Soder 1:08 They have, like, the big booming voice, and everyone's like, "Oh."

Joe Rogan 1:11 Ah.

Dan Soder 1:11 And then there's just a guy behind a curtain and you're like-

Joe Rogan 1:13 Mm.

Dan Soder 1:14 ... "the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 1:14 Well, the phonie- the scary for the phonies must be when they get caught stealing jokes, 'cause then they have to write all their own jokes afterwards and they don't really know how to do that.

Dan Soder 1:22 That's hard.

Joe Rogan 1:23 It's the hardest.

Dan Soder 1:24 To writing jokes?

Joe Rogan 1:25 It's the hardest. Coming up with premises, fleshing them out, trying to figure out the right way to do them.

Dan Soder 1:29 Seeing people with better jokes.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Oh.

Dan Soder 1:31 There's nothing more of a-

Joe Rogan 1:32 Oh.

Dan Soder 1:32 ... a dick pusher in-

Joe Rogan 1:34 (laughs)

Dan Soder 1:34 ... than seeing someone with a great bit and you're like, "Oh, fuck, that's so good."

Joe Rogan 1:38 Especially on a subject that maybe you were thinking about talking about, and then this guy has this fucking perfect bit about it and you're like, "Oh, my God, I missed it."

Dan Soder 1:45 I was just in Nashville and I saw Chris Porter do this bit about, uh, people that are worried about being chipped. I'm not gonna give away the bit, but I watched it and I watched the angles, and he got off stage, and I was like, "I was mad at you by, like, the third tag."

Joe Rogan 1:58 (laughs)

Dan Soder 1:58 By the third tag, I was like, "Who the fuck is this guy riding a damn near perfect..." Where, like, the thought, it's not where you thought it was gonna go, but it makes the most sense. You're like, "Fuck, dude. Goddammit." Now you gotta go back to your hotel room and hate your act. I gotta hate my act for a week.

Joe Rogan 2:13 There was a fucking company in Europe that was chipping their employees, and for normal shit, like getting into a door and, like, buying something in the commissary.

Dan Soder 2:23 But that European attitude, they're like, "Us? It's fine."

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yes.

Dan Soder 2:26 "I just chip, I just chip in if the door opens."

Joe Rogan 2:29 "If the door opens, it's no problem."

Dan Soder 2:31 "And ever since I go get my little espresso and I come outside, I'm chipped. Yeah, I don't..." It's always that European attitude that makes me feel like, are we as Americans overly paranoid-

Joe Rogan 2:41 Well, that's-

Dan Soder 2:41 ... or are we right?

Joe Rogan 2:42 That's why I like when that Klaus Schwab guy talks.

Dan Soder 2:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Who's the-

Dan Soder 2:45 I don't even know who that is. You could've made that name up.

Joe Rogan 2:47 You don't know who that guy is?

Dan Soder 2:48 That sounds like a made-up name.

Joe Rogan 2:49 He's... Oh, my God. He's the head of the World Economic Forum, and he dresses like a bad guy in a comic book.

Dan Soder 2:58 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:58 And I'm not kidding. I mean-

Dan Soder 2:59 If you have that... I'm telling you, if you're that kind of power, do that.

Joe Rogan 3:03 Why not?

Dan Soder 3:03 Do that.

Joe Rogan 3:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 3:04 Honestly, I think-

Joe Rogan 3:05 Relax.

Dan Soder 3:05 ... I think you should lean into, like, you should start advertising yourself as, like, a Bond villain.

Joe Rogan 3:10 (laughs)

Dan Soder 3:10 Think about it, dude. You got the, you got the compound in Texas. You know karate.

Joe Rogan 3:16 (laughs)

Dan Soder 3:16 You're already a Bond villain, dude. And then you just, then you can just sit in a chair and be like, "Jamie, pull it up. The world must pay me." Do it, dude.

Joe Rogan 3:24 Yeah.

Dan Soder 3:24 You could do it.

Joe Rogan 3:24 I wish that was a real thing.

Dan Soder 3:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:26 But this guy is a real thing.

Dan Soder 3:27 This... Dude, I want... I can't wait to see this guy.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Check this guy out.

Dan Soder 3:30 And he's-

Joe Rogan 3:30 Now, let me show you what he looks like, though.

Dan Soder 3:31 Can you say his name again?

Joe Rogan 3:32 Let... But let me... Klaus Schwab.

Dan Soder 3:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:35 No, but let me show you what he looks like with his crazy outfit on.

Dan Soder 3:37 Damn, dude, he's a Basset hound.

Narrator 3:39 A picture like that.

Joe Rogan 3:40 Oh, there's a lot of pictures. But create Klaus Schwab, uh, superhero outfit. Put that on. Just, just type that in Google.

Dan Soder 3:48 Klaus Schwab.

Joe Rogan 3:48 'Cause he looks like a fucking superhero.

Dan Soder 3:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:52 Like a bad guy, like a supervillain.

Dan Soder 3:54 Yeah. Don't you...

Joe Rogan 3:55 That... Yeah, that's it.

Dan Soder 3:55 Oh, dude, there it is.

Joe Rogan 3:56 Look at that. Look at that.

Dan Soder 3:56 Is that a polo? Oh, no.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Look. What is, what is this? What is that?

Dan Soder 4:00 Space Federation. You will never have your freedom.

Joe Rogan 4:03 Yeah.

Dan Soder 4:03 Dude, he looks-

Joe Rogan 4:04 We will control your chips.

Dan Soder 4:06 (laughs) He looks like he makes, he makes pod people.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Imagine walking out of the house with that on, going, "Oh, yeah."

Dan Soder 4:11 Honey, do you have my weird insulated vest?"

Joe Rogan 4:14 What is that made out of?

Dan Soder 4:15 Where's my bro... Is that a broach?

Joe Rogan 4:16 Is that pla- ... Is that, like, the Patagonia-type material?

Dan Soder 4:19 (laughs) I bet, if he's-

Joe Rogan 4:20 Look at the fucking thing.

Dan Soder 4:21 Dude, that's awesome.

Joe Rogan 4:22 Look at the whole thing. Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 4:24 That makes me, that makes me think he's worn a mask at an orgy.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Oh, for sure, dude.

Dan Soder 4:28 If you're wearing that in public, you're putting on deer antlers-

Joe Rogan 4:31 (laughs)

Dan Soder 4:31 ... and a robe and fucking someone in a-

Joe Rogan 4:33 You're going to Bohemian Globe.

Dan Soder 4:35 (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going-

Joe Rogan 4:36 Yeah, you're one of those guys.

Dan Soder 4:37 You're in a marble room fucking a lady that worked at Twin Peaks.

Joe Rogan 4:40 Bro, what is that outfit?

Narrator 4:42 Dressing.

Joe Rogan 4:43 Jamie, get that photograph and we're gonna make a ja- a large metal print of it for the studio.

Dan Soder 4:48 Hell yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:49 I think we need that.

Dan Soder 4:49 Klaus, Klaus Schw-

Joe Rogan 4:50 Klaus Schwab.

Dan Soder 4:51 I am Klaus Schwab.

Joe Rogan 4:52 But when you hear him talk about the young global leaders of the World Economic Forum, you're like, "Oh, my God, you're, you're a movie guy."

Dan Soder 5:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:00 "You're a character."

Dan Soder 5:01 You're a living villain.

Joe Rogan 5:02 Bad guy. Yeah.

Dan Soder 5:02 You're a living villain. And lean into it.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Well, he's a guy that's, like, uh-

Dan Soder 5:07 He should have a henchman.

Joe Rogan 5:08 Supposedly, if you follow the conspiracy theorists, he's, like, orchestrating this, the Great Reset, and even wrote a book about the Great Reset. And then there's, like, conspiracy theorists, "What does the Great Reset mean?" You know, is it like a... They're talking about, like, some sort of a financial reset.

Dan Soder 5:22 Dude.

Joe Rogan 5:22 It scares the shit out of me.

Dan Soder 5:23 No, live comic book life.

Joe Rogan 5:24 (laughs)

Dan Soder 5:24 Make it really, make it fucking, make it weird as fuck. I would say if you're gonna do that, like, give the conspiracy people what they want-

Joe Rogan 5:34 Right.

Dan Soder 5:34 ... just a little bit. Don't actually do the, the bad shit.

Joe Rogan 5:36 But, like, have a photo of you with, like, a goat sacrifice.

Dan Soder 5:40 Dude, I would pay-... if I was Klaus Schwab, I would pay a lot of money-

Joe Rogan 5:45 A lot? (laughs)

Dan Soder 5:45 ... to have, a, a lot of money, and then dress a person up as an alien, and somehow leak a photo of us shaking hands-

Joe Rogan 5:52 (laughs)

Dan Soder 5:52 ... and then just drop it on Google. And then watch everyone be like-

Joe Rogan 5:55 (gasps)

Dan Soder 5:55 ... "What the fuck is this? What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 5:57 Yeah. You would, you would, you'd wanna drop it through, like, some German website.

Dan Soder 6:01 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:02 Yeah, yeah.

Dan Soder 6:02 Like, or a defunct paper.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Dan Soder 6:04 And they're like, "Oh, this is weird. I found this old picture of Klaus Schwab in a gray."

Joe Rogan 6:08 That's the problem. It's like, as much as we complain about, like, the New York Times and The Washington Post, imagine if all of your news just came from websites.

Dan Soder 6:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:18 Look at it the other way. Look at it the other way.

Dan Soder 6:19 Yeah. If it was all-

Joe Rogan 6:20 Like, if-

Dan Soder 6:20 It's all a thing that someone could build in a day.

Joe Rogan 6:22 Right. Yeah. Like-

Dan Soder 6:23 Like, The New York Times, you can hate them what they are, but that is an institution.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yes.

Dan Soder 6:26 You know what... They have offices.

Joe Rogan 6:28 Yes.

Dan Soder 6:28 They have a payroll. They have a history.

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yes.

Dan Soder 6:30 You can just have a website drop a picture of Klaus Schwab-

Joe Rogan 6:32 (laughs)

Dan Soder 6:33 ... in a, in a thong with a gray. And it's gonna be like, (laughs) "Where did this come from?" And, but then the internet, the internet does what the internet does best, and they take something and run with it.

Joe Rogan 6:42 Oh, yeah.

Dan Soder 6:42 And so then it would just be on.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Soder 6:45 There's gonna be conspiracy theories about why Mike Tyson lit that dude up on that plane.

Joe Rogan 6:49 That's-

Dan Soder 6:49 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 6:49 ... real simple. That dude was a douchebag. And he was, uh-

Dan Soder 6:52 Did you see the other video?

Joe Rogan 6:52 ... he was annoying one of the baddest motherfuckers that, that's ever walked the face of the Earth.

Dan Soder 6:57 Talk about kicking a beehive.

Joe Rogan 6:58 (laughs)

Dan Soder 6:58 What the fuck are you doing, dude?

Joe Rogan 7:00 That's so dumb. That's not even kicking a beehive. It's like smashing... It's headbutting a beehive.

Dan Soder 7:04 Yeah. It's like trying to put your dick in a sleeping bear's mouth.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Bzz. (laughs)

Dan Soder 7:08 Like, he just walked up and was like, "I'm gonna lower my wiener right into the bear's mouth." Mike Tyson, also there's a video that came out of the angle of him talking to someone. And he's, like, talking shit in a way where you're like, "This guy's hammered and doesn't know what's coming."

Joe Rogan 7:22 Yeah.

Dan Soder 7:23 'Cause I bet in his head he's like, "He won't punch me. He can't punch me."

Joe Rogan 7:27 Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 7:27 He's, I bet he's a guy that thinks Mike Tyson's hands are registered lethal weapons.

Joe Rogan 7:31 (laughs)

Dan Soder 7:32 It strikes me as that guy.

Joe Rogan 7:33 (laughs)

Dan Soder 7:33 He's like... And he, by the way, I saw the guy's shape and I was like, "That guy would kick the shit out of me."

Joe Rogan 7:38 That was a thing that people would always say, right?

Dan Soder 7:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:41 That he had to register his hands as deadly weapons.

Dan Soder 7:43 I think I said it.

Joe Rogan 7:43 (laughs)

Dan Soder 7:44 I've spread that around. I've been putting out that propaganda. Be like, "You know they have to register their hands as d-," look, "lethal weap-" I'm that, that's my level of dumb-

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yeah.

Dan Soder 7:52 ... where you tell me that and I'm like, "I knew that was true." I wonder if it's a state thing or a federal thing.

Joe Rogan 7:57 Oh. (laughs)

Dan Soder 7:57 You start worrying. You're like, "Is that a county or federal thing?" I don't-

Joe Rogan 8:00 That's one of them old school karate dojo things. That's what that is.

Dan Soder 8:04 Yeah. I loved it.

Joe Rogan 8:05 (laughs)

Dan Soder 8:05 I mean, you were doing karate in the '80s.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Yeah.

Dan Soder 8:07 You were actually doing karate. But what's funny about the '80s is, people just put on outfits. You've seen that a couple times in your life.

Joe Rogan 8:14 (laughs) Like kung fu outfits, yeah.

Dan Soder 8:15 Yeah. You've seen that a couple times in your life.

Joe Rogan 8:16 Oh, for sure.

Dan Soder 8:17 Because you know what I always think about?

Joe Rogan 8:18 What?

Dan Soder 8:18 Was UFC when dudes would just rock Affliction shirts.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Oh, yeah, man.

Dan Soder 8:22 And I lived in-

Joe Rogan 8:23 With the silver foil writing.

Dan Soder 8:25 Yeah. I lived in Tucson in the early 2000s and you'd just see big dudes in Affliction shirts. And here's the thing, I'm not gonna test that theory.

Joe Rogan 8:32 It was the style.

Dan Soder 8:34 Yeah. And they had, like, super gelled up hair.

Joe Rogan 8:36 Yeah. (laughs)

Dan Soder 8:36 And they're just mean mugging everyone.

Joe Rogan 8:38 (laughs)

Dan Soder 8:38 I was rocking Liquor Tee Shirts and shitty dungarees. I was like, "Dude, I ain't gotta see if this guy knows how to fight or not. I don't give a fuck."

Joe Rogan 8:45 Eh, those are the early days. That's when things were wild. It's, Affliction had their own promotion.

Dan Soder 8:49 Yeah, I remember that. They got F- Fedor, didn't they?

Joe Rogan 8:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dan Soder 8:51 I remember that. I worked at, um, K-Rock in New York when Stern left. They, like, turned it to Free FM and then they brought it back, K-Rock with Opie and Anthony.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Hmm.

Dan Soder 9:00 And I was doing, like, overnights. And I bought, I somehow got that Affliction fight on the TV in the old A-, O&A studio. And that felt like, I was like, "Dude, this is, uh, this is better than working. I'm not, I'm getting paid to watch this Fedor fight." I mean, it was a quick fight, but.

Joe Rogan 9:14 Yeah. He fought over there a couple times, right? He fought Tim Sylvia.

Dan Soder 9:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:18 I think he fought Andrei Arlovski over there too.

Dan Soder 9:20 Yeah. He was fun. He was a-

Joe Rogan 9:22 Was it, was that Affliction? Were they both Affliction?

Dan Soder 9:24 I don't know. I think, I know the Sylvia fight was Affliction.

Joe Rogan 9:27 They spent a lot of fucking money, man.

Dan Soder 9:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:29 They went crazy. They, they tried to go crazy. I knew one of the owners. Shout out to Mr. Atencio. He's a cool motherfucker. They're, they're cool people.

Dan Soder 9:36 I, I also just had the realization that I'm talking to Joe Rogan about this.

Joe Rogan 9:40 (laughs)

Dan Soder 9:40 Like, I was, we were just having a conversation and I'm like, "I'm talking to a guy that actually knows these people." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:44 Yeah.

Dan Soder 9:44 Like, I'm just, it's like a bar talk where you're like, "That's so-"

Joe Rogan 9:47 Yeah, but I, I do that too. Yeah, yeah.

Dan Soder 9:48 I know. That's what, yeah. The Sylvia one was-

Joe Rogan 9:50 Yeah, that's it. Tim Sylvia was a, a quick one. Um, and that, so they had two events.

Dan Soder 9:55 Damn. 2008. Shout out 2008 for me drinking beers in the K-Rock studio.

Joe Rogan 9:59 They might've had more than two, um, events. Uh...

Dan Soder 10:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 But they def- definitely had those two. Did they have more than two events? Does it say? How many events did Affliction MMA have? I think it was just those two.

Dan Soder 10:11 And that fucked 'em with the-

Joe Rogan 10:11 They were high level.

Dan Soder 10:12 I mean, that must've fucked 'em with the UFC. Just being like, "Hey, we're gonna do our own fight promotion."

Joe Rogan 10:16 "Hey."

Dan Soder 10:16 And you're like, "What's up?"

Joe Rogan 10:18 You know, the, the UFC is like, "Good luck."

Dan Soder 10:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:21 'Cause that's what Dana-

Dan Soder 10:22 Good luck.

Joe Rogan 10:23 I mean, Dana's super competitive.

Dan Soder 10:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Obviously. But, th- they were never worried about it. They were trying to get Fedor for a long time, so it was kind of a bummer.

Dan Soder 10:30 He was, he was one of those guys, you wanna talk about, like, villainous.

Joe Rogan 10:34 Mm-hmm.

Dan Soder 10:34 That they built up online.

Joe Rogan 10:36 Yeah.

Dan Soder 10:36 And they were like, "Yeah, this guy's fucking, this Russian."

Joe Rogan 10:38 Did you ever watch him fight?

Dan Soder 10:39 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:40 Yeah.

Dan Soder 10:40 It was great. You'd just watch him dominate people. And you're like... And I like his face.

Joe Rogan 10:44 (laughs)

Dan Soder 10:44 He looks like he owns a good diner.

Joe Rogan 10:46 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Dan Soder 10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 He goes, "A table for four?"

Dan Soder 10:49 "Oh, hello, hello, buddy."

Joe Rogan 10:51 (laughs)

Dan Soder 10:51 He sits down. "You're a, you bring beautiful wife." So you, you hang out and then you just watch him take Tim Sylvia, a giant-

Joe Rogan 10:57 Yeah.

Dan Soder 10:57 ... and just fuck his shit up. And you're like-

Joe Rogan 10:58 Fuck his shit up.

Dan Soder 10:59 (laughs) Oh, fuck.

Joe Rogan 11:00 He fucked everybody's shit up.

Dan Soder 11:00 I like dudes who can fight that look like they're just sweet...... cherub boys.

Joe Rogan 11:05 Well, Fedor was the ultimate because he was never ripped.

Dan Soder 11:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:08 I mean, even when he was in his prime, absolute prime, he always had some body fat on him.

Dan Soder 11:12 That's why, uh, as a guy that's grown into having a body that's like, I have like '70s WWWF body-

Joe Rogan 11:19 Do you know, dude, there's some-

Dan Soder 11:19 ... even if I'm in shape.

Joe Rogan 11:20 ... there's something to s- be said for that, because having a little bit of fat on you doesn't look as good, 'cause you're not as shredded, but-

Dan Soder 11:26 Yeah, you jiggle.

Joe Rogan 11:27 ... y- you seem like you have a little bit more endurance.

Dan Soder 11:30 Really?

Joe Rogan 11:30 I don't know, man.

Dan Soder 11:31 Is it the fat?

Joe Rogan 11:31 Not too much. (laughs)

Dan Soder 11:33 He had huge hips.

Joe Rogan 11:33 Like, he was pretty fat. (laughs)

Dan Soder 11:34 He's our sloppy king. Fedor's the sloppy king.

Joe Rogan 11:37 Yeah, look at that one picture of him there. That, well, yeah.

Dan Soder 11:39 Dude, he just beat the... And then-

Joe Rogan 11:40 Fuck, he had everybody up.

Dan Soder 11:41 ... he had a brother, right? Didn't he have a-

Joe Rogan 11:43 Yes, his brother was jacked. His brother was covered in tattoos.

Dan Soder 11:45 (laughs) Dude, so my question is do you think Fedor, who's the bad- one of the baddest dudes of all time-

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yeah.

Dan Soder 11:50 ... is mad that his brother's got a better body? Do you think there's that insecurity?

Joe Rogan 11:53 I don't think anything gets him mad. If cage fights don't get him mad-

Dan Soder 11:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:57 ... why would anything get him? He never changes his expression. He's never angry.

Dan Soder 12:00 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 12:01 He's never like, "Rah," when he wins.

Dan Soder 12:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:03 When he wins, it's just like, "Yep, another day in office."

Dan Soder 12:06 The man is-

Joe Rogan 12:06 He just walks away.

Dan Soder 12:07 The man is hurt. I want to go have bath.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Dude, he pulled off some of the most spectacular submissions and finishes, and he would climb off like he, you know, just, just left a bathroom.

Dan Soder 12:16 I would do absolutely... If I got to finish, a quick finish in a fight, I would be jumping up on that cage. I'd be doing somersaults. (laughs) I would just be rolling around that ring 'cause I can't imagine, to be that cool about being that badass-

Joe Rogan 12:30 Yeah.

Dan Soder 12:30 ... is the coolest thing.

Joe Rogan 12:31 I think that's one of the reasons why he's that badass. I think it's his mind.

Dan Soder 12:35 He just gets shutdown.

Joe Rogan 12:37 He's like, 'cause it's like he's, like, physically, he's got amazing tools, like he, he fights very well off his back. He fights very well standing up. His tools are amazing, no doubt. But there's nothing about him that's exceptional in terms of, like, strength or speed, or it's, it's all, like, really good.

Dan Soder 12:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 But it's al- there's cer- certain guys like Alistair Overeem in his prime that was so fucking strong, so powerful.

Dan Soder 12:59 You wanna talk about superheroes, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Oh, my God, he was the superhero.

Dan Soder 13:02 That guy was built, like, you could put him in just tight, like with a star on his chest-

Joe Rogan 13:06 Bro.

Dan Soder 13:06 ... and be like, "It's Justice Man," and it would look real.

Joe Rogan 13:08 When he was the K-1 Grand Prix champion, he was like, it d- it didn't make sense that anyone built like that was actually a fighter. He was like a bodybuilder almost.

Dan Soder 13:17 Yeah, which is funny because I grew up on-

Joe Rogan 13:19 Look at the fucking building guy. (laughs)

Dan Soder 13:21 (laughs) Yeah. Great comparison, dude.

Joe Rogan 13:23 He was so jacked. He was so jacked.

Dan Soder 13:24 Dude, look at our sloppy king on the left.

Joe Rogan 13:26 And our sloppy king would be a heavy favorite in an MMA fight-

Dan Soder 13:29 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 13:29 ... between those two back then.

Dan Soder 13:31 I, I not only would-

Joe Rogan 13:32 Look at him there. That's when he's fighting Brock Lesnar. Bro. (laughs)

Dan Soder 13:35 Damn.

Joe Rogan 13:35 I mean, what the fuck?

Dan Soder 13:37 I would, not only would I bet-

Joe Rogan 13:38 It's a perfect body.

Dan Soder 13:39 Not only would I bet money on Fedor. Look at you (laughs) in the back. You're just looking at him like, "Jesus fucking Christ."

Joe Rogan 13:43 Oh, why not me?

Dan Soder 13:45 (laughs) But Fedor is a guy that I would not only bet money on a fight, but then want food recommendations.

Joe Rogan 13:51 Right, she'd probably know where the good Russian delis are.

Dan Soder 13:53 Even the things, like, "You want... You get the good blintz."

Joe Rogan 13:55 (laughs)

Dan Soder 13:55 (laughs) You're like, "Oh, man."

Joe Rogan 13:57 The blintz.

Dan Soder 13:57 And then you're eating-

Joe Rogan 13:58 Yeah.

Dan Soder 13:58 ... it with your friend, and you know, "You know Fedor told me about this?"

Joe Rogan 14:00 Yeah, that fucking dude eats.

Dan Soder 14:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:02 Yeah.

Dan Soder 14:03 He enjoys life.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan Soder 14:04 I hope he wears a lot of clothes with fur on them 'cause he deserves to, like-

Joe Rogan 14:08 Do you think he drinks?

Dan Soder 14:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:10 Must.

Dan Soder 14:11 In a cool way.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Must, right?

Dan Soder 14:12 In, like, a, uh, nondescript bottle into a glass once.

Joe Rogan 14:18 His, his brother was a fucking beast, man, and his brother drank a lot.

Dan Soder 14:22 Those Russians and those Eastern Europeans.

Joe Rogan 14:24 Yeah.

Dan Soder 14:24 I'm a Nuggets fan, so we have Nikola Jokic.

Joe Rogan 14:26 Oh, look at him hammered. Hammered with a bottle of vodka.

Dan Soder 14:29 Stoli, dude.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Is that real? Is that a real photo? That looks a little photoshopped.

Dan Soder 14:32 That also could just be a fraternity member at, at, like, Ohio State. (laughs) That could be a guy.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Yeah.

Dan Soder 14:36 That could be a Buckeye.

Joe Rogan 14:38 (laughs)

Dan Soder 14:38 Just like, "I'm fucking hammered," or the baddest dude on the planet.

Joe Rogan 14:42 Yeah, either one.

Dan Soder 14:43 Yeah. Oh.

Joe Rogan 14:43 Look at him, big old sweater.

Dan Soder 14:45 Oh, dude, the Last Emperor is a cool name too.

Joe Rogan 14:47 And people used to always g- uh, online, they would make fun of his, uh, his sweater of victory 'cause he had all these, like, really, like, Charlie Brown-looking sweaters.

Dan Soder 14:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:55 Like, he dressed like such a dad.

Dan Soder 14:57 I fucking love that.

Joe Rogan 14:59 He dressed like such a dad. He was the baddest man in Russia.

Dan Soder 15:02 Yeah, and then he would come, and it was like, uh, he was like a myth in the United States-

Joe Rogan 15:07 Yeah.

Dan Soder 15:07 ... 'cause they couldn't get him in the UFC, so they were like, "Dude, this guy in Russia."

Joe Rogan 15:10 Yeah.

Dan Soder 15:10 'Cause, like, you know, my friends, I'm a casual fight fan, but then my friends who are super into it, like Louis and Dave Smith were like, "Dude, Fedor, this guy is fucking crazy."

Joe Rogan 15:19 He was, uh, awesome, but the thing about it is by the time he was coming to, like, Strikeforce when, like, Fabricio Werdum beat him-

Dan Soder 15:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:27 ... like, he had already had so many years on the clock.

Dan Soder 15:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:30 It's, like, I, when I think about Fedor, when I think about fighters, I think about fighters during their peak period of performance. And during Fedor's peak period of performance was the Nogueira fights. It was, um-

Dan Soder 15:42 And the Nogueira brothers-

Joe Rogan 15:43 ... Cro Cop.

Dan Soder 15:43 ... were like, they, like, flew him to Russia being like, "This is the fight of the century," right, like, when they fought?

Joe Rogan 15:48 Well, when Nogueir- Nogueira, I think, I wanna say Nogueira lost the title to Fedor. See if that's true. I'm pretty sure he lost the Strikef- the S- the PRIDE title.

Dan Soder 15:59 Could he get the belt around his fucking torso? That'd be awe-

Joe Rogan 16:02 Yeah.

Dan Soder 16:02 That'd be awesome if you, like-

Joe Rogan 16:03 Most of the time, they just carry them on their shoulders anyway, but-

Dan Soder 16:05 I know, but I can't snap, my head's too big. I can't wear a snapback.

Joe Rogan 16:08 You can't wear any snapbacks? (laughs)

Dan Soder 16:09 Not... It's on the last one, it pops. I fucking hate it. I'm like, "Dude, I can't-"

Joe Rogan 16:13 I like Velcro better anyway.

Dan Soder 16:14 Yeah, I do fitted 'cause I have to wear-

Joe Rogan 16:16 Oh.

Dan Soder 16:16 I wear a size-

Joe Rogan 16:16 Sides are nice.

Dan Soder 16:17 ... eight, if anyone's wondering. It's a big.

Joe Rogan 16:18 That's a big head, bro. You got a lot of brain in there.

Dan Soder 16:20 Yeah, I think, or water.

Joe Rogan 16:22 Something.

Dan Soder 16:23 I'm just kidding. It's so padding.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Maybe it's just a thick skull. Maybe he could, he could smash things.

Dan Soder 16:25 Let's see if I can break this table. Just fucking bam.

Joe Rogan 16:28 You ever seen those videos of dudes, like, smashing bricks with their fucking forehead?

Dan Soder 16:32 Oh, yeah, or tree punching videos.

Joe Rogan 16:34 Like, what kind of skill is it? Tree punching is one thing. It hurts your hand. It doesn't change the way you think.

Dan Soder 16:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:38 Imagine being so dumb that you're gonna-

Dan Soder 16:40 I forgot it.

Joe Rogan 16:40 ... change the way you think on purpose.

Dan Soder 16:42 You go, "I went out to the woods and forgot a couple cousins 'cause I was just smashing my fucking head into a tree."

Joe Rogan 16:47 This is one video of a dude t- tries, and it doesn't work, and then he tries again. And he's basically KO'd, and he's wobbling around 'cause he just headbutted some fucking marble.

Dan Soder 16:57 Is he doing that, like... Wait, he was doing marble?

Joe Rogan 16:59 It was on some thick ass stone, whatever the fuck it was.

Dan Soder 17:01 Any of those break videos, again, growing up on action movies in the '80s and the '90s-... any time they showed the brick breaking scenes, I'd always be like, "Eh, that's not for me." I did all the training, but that just seems... Did you ever do that in karate? Were you breaking boards?

Joe Rogan 17:15 When we would open up a new school, we would do demonstrations. And one of the things that people wanted to see was people breaking boards.

Dan Soder 17:23 See, I want-

Joe Rogan 17:23 I broke boards.

Dan Soder 17:24 Did you?

Joe Rogan 17:25 A lot of boards.

Dan Soder 17:26 Didn't-

Joe Rogan 17:26 But I only broke boards during demonstrations. We never even practiced it.

Dan Soder 17:30 So you wouldn't just be at home with your friend and you're like, "Dude."

Joe Rogan 17:32 No.

Dan Soder 17:32 "Pick that board up."

Joe Rogan 17:33 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Dan Soder 17:33 And then just fucking jump off the couch and karate kick it.

Joe Rogan 17:35 No. We never practiced breaking boards. We just practiced for tournaments. So, like, when we were breaking a board, it was just for fun.

Dan Soder 17:43 You're just like... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:44 You just kick it. You just kick it. Like, they break easy. They, they, they break so easy.

Dan Soder 17:48 (laughs) Yeah. But I'm trying to think of me. I'm trying (laughs) , trying to kick a board and just missing-

Joe Rogan 17:51 Oh.

Dan Soder 17:51 ... and being like, "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 17:53 Yeah, but-

Dan Soder 17:53 "Fuck."

Joe Rogan 17:54 ... you shouldn't be doing a demonstration then.

Dan Soder 17:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:56 It's like-

Dan Soder 17:56 Did you guys do it to music? Did you guys, like, come out-

Joe Rogan 17:58 Now, da, da, da (laughs)

Dan Soder 17:59 (laughs) You were like... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:00 << You're the best around >>

Dan Soder 18:01 Oh, that's it.

Joe Rogan 18:02 << Nothing's gonna ever keep me down >>

Dan Soder 18:03 Bring that '80s cocaine karate energy.

Joe Rogan 18:06 (laughs) Da, da, da.

Dan Soder 18:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:07 That Brian De Palma energy.

Dan Soder 18:09 Yeah. Fuck yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yes.

Dan Soder 18:09 Just coming out just with fritzy music and kicking shit.

Joe Rogan 18:13 Yeah. Fucking Star Spangled Banner sw- shorts on. (laughs)

Dan Soder 18:16 Yeah. People like me should not... The... I'm, I shouldn't take karate.

Joe Rogan 18:18 (laughs)

Dan Soder 18:18 'Cause it's... You're seeing, I, I idolize all the wrong things. Where I'm like, I'd just be showing off for my friends.

Joe Rogan 18:24 But those things, that's, uh, what gets people into real martial arts.

Dan Soder 18:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:27 The best part about, like, t- those... Even the Karate Kid. Like do you know how many people enrolled in karate schools after the Karate Kid?

Dan Soder 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:33 Holy shit. It must've been nuts.

Dan Soder 18:34 I mean, the money they were making. That's why I loved, uh, Fist Foot Way with Danny McBride.

Joe Rogan 18:39 Yes. (laughs)

Dan Soder 18:39 'Cause you were like, that's probably the most realistic description of a guy who's like, "Fuck it. I'll make money." Do you know-

Joe Rogan 18:43 Do you know about McDojoLife?

Dan Soder 18:45 No.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Okay. McDojoLife is an account on Instagram.

Dan Soder 18:48 Okay.

Joe Rogan 18:48 It's fucking amazing. It's all fake karate guys.

Dan Soder 18:52 (laughs) Great.

Joe Rogan 18:52 And fake kung fu guys and fake martial ar-... Like, death touch guys.

Dan Soder 18:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:55 And they'll, like, fall down. Like, a guy comes at 'em with a knife and he's like, "Ah." And they go-

Dan Soder 18:59 Or they do that thing where they just, like, do a quick toss-

Joe Rogan 19:01 Yes.

Dan Soder 19:01 ... and then they're done, and it's clearly not a move.

Joe Rogan 19:03 He had one he put up today that showed a qigong specialist. Qigong is a, like, energy people. And they're making dudes come. Look.

Dan Soder 19:11 Uh, who comes like that, though?

Joe Rogan 19:12 Look at this. He's waving the... I do.

Dan Soder 19:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:14 That's the only way.

Dan Soder 19:14 You go side to side?

Joe Rogan 19:15 I have to go like this.

Dan Soder 19:15 I got a fish swim, dude.

Joe Rogan 19:18 It's got music attached to it. But-

Dan Soder 19:19 So is this technically a rub and tug?

Joe Rogan 19:21 It's... No. It's a hover and tug.

Dan Soder 19:22 It's like... Yeah. (laughs) He's like-

Joe Rogan 19:24 It's a hover.

Dan Soder 19:24 ... he can't get popped. The cops come in and they're like, "Dude, I came, but he didn't touch me."

Joe Rogan 19:27 He just did the hover nut.

Dan Soder 19:29 Yeah. Just like, dude's sitting there pulling a nut outta you like a snake charmer.

Joe Rogan 19:33 So this guy has all of the... Don't... Go to the one that- there middle. This one does it h- with his hair. Watch. Watch this. Just uses his hair. (laughs)

Dan Soder 19:43 That's great. That's great. There was a-

Joe Rogan 19:44 That's not a parody.

Dan Soder 19:45 There was a indie wrestler, uh, that did that with his dick.

Joe Rogan 19:49 Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 19:49 Pro wrestler. Where the-... His finishing move was someone would grab his junk, and then he would flip 'em.

Joe Rogan 19:54 (laughs)

Dan Soder 19:54 And he would, like, get 'em, like... That was the whole point of his... Fuck, I'm trying to remember what this guy's name... John, Johnny something. He was a... Yeah. But that's... I always love watching the videos. You used to post a lot of 'em.

Narrator 20:05 He actually did it to Ken Shamrock here. Joey Ryan.

Joe Rogan 20:07 Oh, no way. Did he really?

Dan Soder 20:09 Oh, yeah. Joey Ryan. That's who it is. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:12 So this is Ken Shamrock grabbing this guy's dick.

Dan Soder 20:14 Yeah, it's Joe-

Joe Rogan 20:14 And he, like, holds him there?

Dan Soder 20:16 Yeah, it's a, it's a impact wrestler.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Come on. Imagine you have to practice this.

Dan Soder 20:17 And... Yeah. You're like, "All right, dude. Just do the move." Also, he's holding it-

Joe Rogan 20:20 Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 20:21 He's holding it longer for the move, and it's-

Joe Rogan 20:23 Looks like he's got a magnet on his dick. That's the-

Dan Soder 20:25 Yeah. But then if you're Shamrock, you're like, "All right, buddy. You're taking, like-"

Joe Rogan 20:27 Right.

Dan Soder 20:27 "... three more seconds than I need."

Joe Rogan 20:28 He just wants a lot of photo ops.

Dan Soder 20:30 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:31 And then they do this.

Dan Soder 20:33 But the videos that you used to post of guys that are, like, fake karate.

Joe Rogan 20:37 That's from this guy.

Dan Soder 20:38 Oh, and then fighting.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah. Yeah.

Dan Soder 20:39 And then I read that story about in China, where that MMA fighter came here and trained.

Joe Rogan 20:44 Yeah.

Dan Soder 20:44 And then went over there and fought, like, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:46 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fought-

Dan Soder 20:47 ... a Chinese... I, I don't... I forget what the guy's name is, but he fought him.

Joe Rogan 20:50 Yeah. He was s-... He was shunned by the country.

Dan Soder 20:51 Yeah. He, like, fucked the dude up and the country was like, "Hey."

Joe Rogan 20:54 Yeah.

Dan Soder 20:55 Eh. It's like... Eh. That's kind of our...

Joe Rogan 20:57 Yeah. China does not like any disparagement of, like, their traditional martial arts or that kind of thing. They did not like that. They do like their martial arts fighter. Like, there's a-

Dan Soder 21:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:07 ... woman named Zhang Weili.

Dan Soder 21:08 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:09 She's like one of... Yeah. She's former champion, one of the top, uh, women 150 pound fighters-

Dan Soder 21:12 One of the greatest fights I've ever seen in my life.

Joe Rogan 21:15 Her and Ioanna?

Dan Soder 21:15 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Oh, my God. It was insane.

Dan Soder 21:17 Oh, my God. First off, when you see Ioanna's face after the fight-

Joe Rogan 21:20 Ugh.

Dan Soder 21:20 ... you're like, "That's Photoshopped."

Joe Rogan 21:21 There's a football in her head.

Dan Soder 21:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:23 Her head was like a football was glued onto her head.

Dan Soder 21:25 Remember Oddities on MTV where the guy would crawl out of the brain?

Joe Rogan 21:28 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Dan Soder 21:28 That's what it looked like. A giant head and a-

Joe Rogan 21:30 Imagine if it, that lanced in the fight.

Dan Soder 21:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:32 Imagine if Weili landed, like, an, an elbow.

Dan Soder 21:36 Yeah. You would've been in the splash zone.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 21:38 It would've been like a Gallagher show.

Joe Rogan 21:39 He would've just dumped-

Dan Soder 21:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:41 ... out of her head.

Dan Soder 21:41 'Cause the way it formed up.

Joe Rogan 21:43 There was so much fluid in there.

Dan Soder 21:44 Oh.

Joe Rogan 21:44 It was crazy. Bro, that's all blood.

Dan Soder 21:48 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 21:48 She had-

Dan Soder 21:48 Could you-

Joe Rogan 21:49 ... like a quart-... Like, it was, like, realistically.

Dan Soder 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Remember when you went to high school, you had those little milks?

Dan Soder 21:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:54 Little of those?

Dan Soder 21:55 Yeah, the little boxes.

Joe Rogan 21:56 Little half pint of milk.

Dan Soder 21:57 Oh, I love the-

Joe Rogan 21:57 That was a half a pint of fluid in her fucking head.

Dan Soder 22:00 So she could've gone, like-

Joe Rogan 22:01 Right?

Dan Soder 22:01 Do you think if she would've wa- walked up after the fight and been like, "Hey, good fight." (splat hand motion) Like that?

Joe Rogan 22:05 Dr. Pimple Popper. (laughs)

Dan Soder 22:06 Yeah, and just pimple poppered it all over you and her as you're interviewing her. She's, "Oh my God."

Joe Rogan 22:10 Look at that, bro. It's bigger than I remember. Oh my God.

Dan Soder 22:12 It looks like-

Joe Rogan 22:12 It's huge.

Dan Soder 22:13 It looks like the Black Hole Sun video.

Joe Rogan 22:15 (gasps)

Dan Soder 22:15 It looks like Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun-

Joe Rogan 22:18 Yeah.

Dan Soder 22:18 ... when they make their eyes all fucked.

Joe Rogan 22:19 Dude, that's crazy.

Dan Soder 22:21 That is nuts, dude.

Joe Rogan 22:22 I forgot how big it was.

Dan Soder 22:23 (laughs) That's insane.

Joe Rogan 22:25 That's-

Dan Soder 22:25 That was right after the fight.

Joe Rogan 22:26 That's so crazy.

Dan Soder 22:27 It's not like it's the next day and it's had time. That's, like... Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 22:31 That's so crazy. You know, you know what it makes me think about?

Dan Soder 22:34 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 22:34 Like, early man. You know, when you look at those, uh, uh, those... When they find those skeletons of early man.

Dan Soder 22:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:40 The forehead was always so much bigger. I wonder if they just were getting hit a lot.

Dan Soder 22:44 O- by everything.

Joe Rogan 22:44 Has to be it, right?

Dan Soder 22:45 Yeah, there weren't roads. They had to just walk through branches.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Right.

Dan Soder 22:47 Just taking shots from trees.

Joe Rogan 22:49 And e- and enough, like, fights and stuff that would, that would happen on a normal basis where your head would swell up like Ioanna's.

Dan Soder 22:56 But you also have to realize that we weren't as smart back then. So, like, let's say you're a guy and you take a fall and you get a Ioanna lump like that. And you go back to your tribe and they're like-... you have the devil in your head.

Joe Rogan 23:08 (laughs)

Dan Soder 23:08 (laughs) Right? They're like, "You're, you're evil. You have something going on." 'Cause they don't understand-

Joe Rogan 23:13 Right.

Dan Soder 23:13 ... what the fuck, that it's blood. Like, we know that. You can immediately be like...

Joe Rogan 23:16 Right. They might be thinking that you're, like, becoming a thing, like a para-

Dan Soder 23:20 Or maybe a god.

Joe Rogan 23:21 ... oh, yeah.

Dan Soder 23:21 If you're smart, you go into it. If you're smart, you come back with enough brain damage to be like, "Bow before me. I can think more than anyone."

Joe Rogan 23:29 One thing I absolutely believe happened is people who had mushrooms, who figured out mushrooms before everybody else, they're the ones who started the cults.

Dan Soder 23:36 That's, like, dude, vikings.

Joe Rogan 23:38 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Dan Soder 23:38 They us- they used to go rage.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Yeah.

Dan Soder 23:40 When you go to... I went to Sweden. It was, like, one of the first vacations I took and I was like, "I want to go see Queens of the Stone Age in Sweden."

Joe Rogan 23:45 Oh, wow.

Dan Soder 23:46 It was fucking rad, dude. It was-

Joe Rogan 23:47 That's awesome.

Dan Soder 23:48 ... awesome. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life.

Joe Rogan 23:50 I had Josh on once.

Dan Soder 23:51 I know, dude. He's one of my-

Joe Rogan 23:52 Great.

Dan Soder 23:52 ... he's one of my favorites. And he, uh, I got to see him at this outdoor amusement... You know, 'cause it's like light there late. So, the whole concert was light. But I went to the Viking Museum and they were like-

Joe Rogan 24:01 Ooh.

Dan Soder 24:01 ... there was a part where they were like, "Isn't that '80s mushrooms?"

Joe Rogan 24:04 (laughs)

Dan Soder 24:04 They, like, try to, they try to do it quick and you're like, "Dude, that's fucking re-" And then you look it up and they would rage.

Joe Rogan 24:09 And that's weird that that's a s- a tiny part of the story. That's a big part of the story.

Dan Soder 24:13 Yeah, dude. It's the motivation.

Joe Rogan 24:15 Well, they were in a zone. They were literally tripping balls, hacking people to death.

Dan Soder 24:20 Dude, if you, if it didn't work-

Joe Rogan 24:22 (laughs)

Dan Soder 24:22 ... and they're just, like, looking around, they go, "Guys, guys are not feeling it," and they're just burning huts and shit.

Joe Rogan 24:28 But there was a study done, there was a guy who's, I think he was a psychologist, did a study on mushrooms and he found that it, it measurably increased visual acuity. So, what his study was, the way the study worked is they have, like, two parallel lines-

Dan Soder 24:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:43 ... and then they moved one line slightly off parallel. And the people on mushrooms could detect that quicker than the people who were sober.

Dan Soder 24:49 Yeah, 'cause your eyes are fucking (whistles) .

Joe Rogan 24:51 Wow.

Dan Soder 24:51 Yeah, you're out.

Joe Rogan 24:52 Yeah.

Dan Soder 24:52 When I was 16, my buddy Bryan, so easily the smartest kid I know, grew up with, and loved the most drugs, and got mushrooms. And we took mushrooms and then we were in the Good Times parking lot, Good Times burger parking lot.

Joe Rogan 25:05 How old were you?

Dan Soder 25:06 16.

Joe Rogan 25:07 (laughs)

Dan Soder 25:08 And I'm sitting there and I eat it with Bryan and he was so smart that he explained to me what was gonna happen as it was happening. So, he goes, "All right. You've eaten the mushrooms. The psilocybin's gonna go into your stomach lining and then it's gonna open your retina. You're gonna, you're, they're gonna let more light in, so you're gonna have a problem with shadows and distance." And I was like... I remember smoking a cigarette in the parking lot being like, "Oh, fuck."

Joe Rogan 25:29 (laughs)

Dan Soder 25:29 And it just seemed to be like, whoa. 'Cause you just notice shit.

Joe Rogan 25:33 Right.

Dan Soder 25:33 'Cause your eyes are just like, "Huh?" And then he's like, my favorite part, he's like, "You're gonna think you know everything." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:38 (laughs)

Dan Soder 25:38 And then, it was like almost immediately I'm like, "You know what? I think school, I don't do well in school."

Joe Rogan 25:43 (laughs)

Dan Soder 25:44 I'm, like, self-diagnosing myself. "I got ADHD, I think. I don't know." I'm, uh, I'm on a lot of psilocybin, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:50 (laughs)

Dan Soder 25:50 And then as it came down, it was crazy. It was like the best experience to do a drug for the first time.

Joe Rogan 25:55 Now, imagine if you knew about that, but all the rest of your village didn't. And you knew where the mushrooms were and you had taken them a couple of times and you said, "You know what? These motherfuckers-"

Dan Soder 26:05 (laughs) Yeah, I got 'em.

Joe Rogan 26:05 "... need to be under my thumb. They need to be under my rule."

Dan Soder 26:08 Let's make some stew. And then just-

Joe Rogan 26:10 Wha- I think you would just tell them what to do and tell them, "You're in touch with God."

Dan Soder 26:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:13 "And you're gonna give them a little piece of God." And they're like, "Oh, my God. How do you know this?" Like-

Dan Soder 26:17 And if someone's got-

Joe Rogan 26:17 ... God speaks to me.

Dan Soder 26:18 ... it's the confidence.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Yeah.

Dan Soder 26:19 Th- they've done it.

Joe Rogan 26:20 Of course.

Dan Soder 26:20 They've been there.

Joe Rogan 26:21 They probably might believe it.

Dan Soder 26:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Right?

Dan Soder 26:23 It's al- that's how I always felt about, like, um, whenever I've been nervous about something in comedy, there's always, you always talk to someone older and they're over it.

Joe Rogan 26:32 Like, what kind of stages?

Dan Soder 26:34 Like, when I started, I, uh, I went on the road with Bobby Kelly, who's one of the best. He's like my older brother.

Joe Rogan 26:39 I love Bobby.

Dan Soder 26:39 Bobby is one of the funniest human beings and makes me... I can call him and just laugh, like, anytime I want. But I opened for him, and Bobby's Bobby, you know, Boston tough and shit. And he's like, "You fucking, you love featuring, dude?"

Joe Rogan 26:51 Yeah.

Dan Soder 26:51 "You're featuring? You having fun, huh? Doing your, your ti- your best jokes in the middle of the show? Call me when you're a headliner. Have fun with that," you know? And then I was headlining and I was in Kansas City and I was just bombing, bombing.

Joe Rogan 27:04 (laughs)

Dan Soder 27:04 And I was doing, like, Wednesday through Sunday. It's one of those long weeks. You know, uh, it might've been a Tuesday through Sunday. And it's just, like, a Thursday and I'm walking through a hot Target parking lot and I call Bobby and I'm like, "I'm fucking bombing, dude. This sucks and I'm intimidated." And he's like, "Eh, you know what? You wanted to be a headliner, huh?"

Joe Rogan 27:22 (laughs)

Dan Soder 27:23 "Well, now you're a headliner and you're fucking... This is what happens." And then he told me, he's like, "It's not a big deal. It's not gonna be shit in two years. So, just walk through it." And then that confidence of him being, like, over it and being like, "Yeah, dude, whatever. You're working a week. You're gonna do this a lot the rest of your life." You're like, "Oh, fuck. All right." It just, it was a small comfort.

Joe Rogan 27:39 You need those sets.

Dan Soder 27:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:41 They're, they're important.

Dan Soder 27:43 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 27:43 Those, those sets that suck-

Dan Soder 27:44 The humbling ones?

Joe Rogan 27:45 ... they teach you things. Yeah.

Dan Soder 27:45 The great humblers? When you just come through and just get ear holed?

Joe Rogan 27:49 (coughs) Yeah.

Dan Soder 27:49 It's fucking-

Joe Rogan 27:50 I've have, I have some from the '90s I still think about.

Dan Soder 27:52 Uh, I have an open mic.

Joe Rogan 27:54 (laughs)

Dan Soder 27:54 I swear to God, Joe. I have an open mic in Tucson, Arizona at Laughs Comedy Club. I was telling my friend Jesse Campbell about this the other month when I was in Minnesota. I remember everything about the bomb. It was a three-minute open mic set and I lasted-

Joe Rogan 28:09 (laughs)

Dan Soder 28:09 ... a minute 16. (laughs) I lasted, I couldn't even-

Joe Rogan 28:13 Oh.

Dan Soder 28:13 ... fill my time. And it was all premises. I was just going up there being like, "You guys, uh, you ever go on, uh, a d- a date?" (sighs) "My, my TV's busted." And it's just like I was just-

Joe Rogan 28:26 How many times had you done an open mic before that?

Dan Soder 28:29 Oh, months. Like, I was, I was an open mic-er, but I was, like, making-

Joe Rogan 28:33 Oh, wow.

Dan Soder 28:33 Here's the thing. This is why it fucked me up. I was making progress. I was, like, getting jokes together. And then they-

Joe Rogan 28:39 And then you hit a wall.

Dan Soder 28:40 And then just got fucking ear holed.

Joe Rogan 28:42 (sigh)

Dan Soder 28:43 And then you bomb and then it's that thing where you have to go sit with it and just be like-

Joe Rogan 28:47 Mm-hmm.

Dan Soder 28:47 ... "What am I actually doing with my life?"

Joe Rogan 28:49 Yeah.

Dan Soder 28:49 You could still smoke inside then, which was cool.

Joe Rogan 28:51 I remember those.

Dan Soder 28:53 Just those bombs?

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yeah, the bombs where you're like, "I think I should quit."

Dan Soder 28:56 Yeah (laughs) I had one, I told this on The Bonfire with Jay. We were, we were at... It's like they were, uh, at Stand-Up New York playing as Comedy Central Presents, like 2007 or '8 when Jay got one. And I was like a...... open mic, or, you know, running around. And I did a check spot in front of Patrice and Jay, and bombed so hard that I walked out of the club, called the girl I was dating and was like, "I, I, I think I gotta quit. I don't know."

Joe Rogan 29:23 (laughs)

Dan Soder 29:23 "This is, I don't think this is going." It-

Joe Rogan 29:26 You d- did a check spot, meaning there's a spot where they, they drop the checks?

Dan Soder 29:30 Yeah, so-

Joe Rogan 29:30 In the middle. Only one spot, they do that?

Dan Soder 29:32 So in New York, they do a showcase club. You know, just like-

Joe Rogan 29:34 Right.

Dan Soder 29:35 ... a store or whatever. But they, what they do is they do five comics and then a check spot, where everyone pays their bills at the same time.

Joe Rogan 29:42 Oh my God.

Dan Soder 29:43 And so, the, that's how I got in in New York, was I was like, "No one's coming for this."

Joe Rogan 29:48 Isn't that funny that we just assume people can't keep it together when they're paying the bill?

Dan Soder 29:52 And they can't, but then you learn-

Joe Rogan 29:53 They start talking.

Dan Soder 29:54 ... that you lose the room.

Joe Rogan 29:55 "How much, how much did you give?"

Dan Soder 29:57 This is, this is, this is fu-

Joe Rogan 29:57 "How much is it?"

Dan Soder 29:58 And if, if you-

Joe Rogan 29:58 "You fucking, nine bucks for a fucking..."

Dan Soder 29:59 And they're like, "What is eight of 28 divided by six is fucking-"

Joe Rogan 30:02 Yeah. What is it, is it 15%?

Dan Soder 30:04 Yeah. I mean, I still do, you know, I still get checks dropped on me in clubs. And you're like, and you're, but that's also what we're talking about, like how bombs are good for you.

Joe Rogan 30:12 Yeah.

Dan Soder 30:12 You know, when I was doing a check spot, I learned how to win the room. I learned how to like, "Oh, I can get 'em." Also, you also learn like a little bit phonies and psychos.

Joe Rogan 30:21 Mm-hmm.

Dan Soder 30:21 You learn how to be like politic and be like, "All right, how can I get the least amount of brutal time?" Like, "How can you-"

Joe Rogan 30:28 Right, right, right.

Dan Soder 30:29 ... 'cause I don't wanna..." You, I mean, dude, it was, you would go up there and be talking to a room that's not paying attention.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Yeah.

Dan Soder 30:35 It butt-fucks your ego. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:37 Well-

Dan Soder 30:37 You get off stage and you're like-

Joe Rogan 30:38 ... it's crazy that they do that for one spot.

Dan Soder 30:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:40 They have like one spot that's designated that way. That's not-

Dan Soder 30:43 It's-

Joe Rogan 30:44 Is that the right, the right way to do it? Like how come-

Dan Soder 30:45 I don't know, but they-

Joe Rogan 30:46 ... people just have their fucking shit together?

Dan Soder 30:48 Well, most clubs now, like the seller does it after the show.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Oh.

Dan Soder 30:52 You, you, you, you do the show, and then you pay.

Joe Rogan 30:54 Oh, that's the perfect way to do it.

Dan Soder 30:55 Yeah, but there it was like, but that was also, you know, I could complain about it, but that's how I got my in in New York. I was just a glutton for punishment.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Right, you just took those check spots.

Dan Soder 31:03 And this, this-

Joe Rogan 31:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 31:04 ... uh, great comic, Mike Britt, who I love to death, I'll never forget, was like, "Anytime I'm hosting at Stand-Up New York, you can do the check spots."

Joe Rogan 31:13 Oh, wow.

Dan Soder 31:14 And I was like, for me, I was like, "Dude, this is..." Look at that, on a Friday?

Joe Rogan 31:17 Yeah, you gotta take it. You gotta take it.

Dan Soder 31:19 And then you would bomb-

Joe Rogan 31:20 (laughs)

Dan Soder 31:20 ... and you would watch everyone walk out. (laughs) And there would just be like these other comics like, "You're so good," and they see you, they're like, "Hey, hi."

Joe Rogan 31:26 Did you ever have a good one? Did you figure out-

Dan Soder 31:28 Yeah, I started getting good at it.

Joe Rogan 31:29 Was there like a skill or-

Dan Soder 31:30 You talk to, uh, by watching guys like Patrice and Big Jay, I was able to be like, "Oh, engage with someone and then it spreads." 'Cause people w- uh, are naturally curious. So if you're talking and people are laughing, they're like, "Oh yeah, you ******* what's going on?" And then you get, you get people's, you learn how to like get the room to listen to you. So it-

Joe Rogan 31:52 Hmm.

Dan Soder 31:52 ... it got by the end where it was like, when I started doing real spots, that was funny, is when, you, I'd go do a bar show where everyone's listening, and I'm like, "Oh shit. Oh shit, everyone's paying attention to me." Everyone's like there to listen to jokes. So it was a very valuable... But for two years, man, just like I'll be at Stand-Up New York on Friday night just fucking bombing.

Joe Rogan 32:14 (laughs)

Dan Soder 32:14 Bombing, dude. It's just... And then like watching a guy, one time there was this, uh, dude, I'll never forget. There was this guy, the way Stand-Up New York was it was like long tables. So everyone's like kind of, but they turn to watch you. This dude's just looking forward, and I'm bombing. And I'm just like, "This fucking guy can't even look at me."

Joe Rogan 32:32 (laughs)

Dan Soder 32:32 And then I see him just do this, and I'm like, "He's blind. He's fucking blind."

Joe Rogan 32:35 Oh, no.

Dan Soder 32:36 I thought he was just n- not listening to me, and instead he was like, "What's up?"

Joe Rogan 32:39 (laughs)

Dan Soder 32:39 And you're like, "Oh shit, oh shit." And now I'm bombing like it's like a Inception bomb, but now it's a bomb-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Right, now you're mean.

Dan Soder 32:45 Yeah. And now he can like smell me being like... It fucking sucked.

Joe Rogan 32:49 Oh my God.

Dan Soder 32:50 But you had all those coming up.

Joe Rogan 32:51 100%.

Dan Soder 32:52 Well, you'd just get fucking crushed.

Joe Rogan 32:54 I did bachelor parties with no microphone.

Dan Soder 32:56 How?

Joe Rogan 32:57 Exactly.

Dan Soder 32:58 How the f- Bachelor parties.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Bachelor parties.

Dan Soder 32:59 They don't wanna see you.

Joe Rogan 33:00 They don't wanna see me.

Dan Soder 33:01 They wanna see women.

Joe Rogan 33:02 Yeah, this is a poor choice.

Dan Soder 33:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:03 You're making one of many poor choices.

Dan Soder 33:05 Ah, dude, whenever there's a bachelor party at a comedy club-

Joe Rogan 33:09 Yeah.

Dan Soder 33:09 ... you're like, "Guys, who, two chos wrong."

Joe Rogan 33:12 Yeah. This is, this is... Well, bachelor party at a comedy club is fine.

Dan Soder 33:16 It, but it can also-

Joe Rogan 33:17 That's fine. But a bachelor party where a dude with no microphone is telling jokes and he's been telling jokes for exactly 14 months. (laughs)

Dan Soder 33:26 Dude, that, I'm, it's like-

Joe Rogan 33:27 (laughs)

Dan Soder 33:27 ... you know when you describe injuries and your injuries start hurting? I'm like, "Oh," I'm like, my breath's getting shallow. I'm like, 'cause y- how would you, how do you start that show?

Joe Rogan 33:36 It's hard.

Dan Soder 33:37 Do you just go, do you clap a lot? Are you like...

Joe Rogan 33:40 Well, I was, you know, I was young and dumb.

Dan Soder 33:42 And it's like, "Wha-"

Joe Rogan 33:42 At the time I was like 22. I just, you just did it.

Dan Soder 33:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:45 I just did it. I was like, "Let me just do it."

Dan Soder 33:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:47 "Here we go. Hey guys, just doing a show. Thank you very much. Thanks for, uh, hiring me, for your show, for your b- good luck with the wedding. You're gonna fucking need it."

Dan Soder 33:55 Everyone's just talking.

Joe Rogan 33:56 And then everybody laughs, and you know, you go into some jokes. I'd have to have some joke about marriage or something.

Dan Soder 34:01 Yeah, something-

Joe Rogan 34:02 You know, something-

Dan Soder 34:03 ... something to get them all.

Joe Rogan 34:03 Something relatable.

Dan Soder 34:04 "Traffic sucks."

Joe Rogan 34:05 (laughs)

Dan Soder 34:05 And they're like, "It does suck. I like this but-"

Joe Rogan 34:07 "It's not getting here."

Dan Soder 34:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Yeah.

Dan Soder 34:09 I, um, you know I started in Tucson, and there was casinos around.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Oh.

Dan Soder 34:13 And the Desert Diamond Casino would do this show on Monday nights where they'd pay $100 to open for whoever the headliner was the weekend before would stay around and it'd be, it was like a good money gig for them. And the club asked me, they were like, "Do you wanna open Monday at the Desert Diamond Casino for Ben Creed?" And I was like, "Fuck yes, I do." And they're like, "Can you do 30 minutes?" "Yeah." I had six-

Joe Rogan 34:36 (laughs)

Dan Soder 34:37 ... maybe six. They send me out.

Joe Rogan 34:40 Oh.

Dan Soder 34:40 It's a Monday night, Monday Night Football. I remember the game. It was the Steelers Chargers. Bar is packed with Charger fans, 'cause Tucson and San Diego, it's not that far from each other. End of the Monday Night Football game, the Chargers miss a field goal and lose to the Steelers. In a casino, where there's probably, I don't know if there was betting going on, probably. The guy, the bartender goes around and turns off all of the TVs and just puts the mic on the stand and he goes, "There you go."... and I had to go out there and be like-

Joe Rogan 35:10 Oh.

Dan Soder 35:10 "Hey, what's up with missing field goals?"

Joe Rogan 35:14 (laughs)

Dan Soder 35:14 Like, I had nothing and I, I bombed for 30 minutes, but I did my time because that was like... You know, I was like, "I gotta do the 30 or they're not gonna give me my 100." I was up on this large stage, and then I announced Ben Creed, and he just walks to the foot of the stage, and he's like, "Gimme the microphone." He's like, "I'm not getting up on that stage," and just starts murdering standing in front of him. And I was like, dude, that walk off the tall stage-

Joe Rogan 35:38 (laughs)

Dan Soder 35:38 ... I was like, "Damn, dude, I bombed and I look like an idiot."

Joe Rogan 35:42 (laughs)

Dan Soder 35:42 And then I just went and got drunk on the $100 they gave me. I was like, "This fucking sucks."

Joe Rogan 35:46 I did this bar gig in, uh, Boston, and the first time we did it, they left the television on and the hockey game was on. So, no one's paying attention to the comedy show.

Dan Soder 35:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:56 And, uh, you know, so they, we came back and the booker was like, "How was the gig?" And I said, "Well, it's good except they, they keep a hockey game on while you're doing standup and no one's paying attention."

Dan Soder 36:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:06 And they're all talking and cheering when the game... So it's like-

Dan Soder 36:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:08 ... you're doing standup for the few people that are paying attention.

Dan Soder 36:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 And they said, "Well, that's, uh, that's, uh, not good. We're gonna have them take the, the TV and shut it off next time we have a comedy show." So, the next time we have a comedy show there, they shut the TV off in the middle of the fucking game-

Dan Soder 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:23 ... and said, "We're gonna have a live comedy show," which was way worse.

Dan Soder 36:26 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Because now people are mad at you.

Dan Soder 36:27 And they're not there-

Joe Rogan 36:28 Yeah.

Dan Soder 36:28 If they are there for comedy-

Joe Rogan 36:30 Right.

Dan Soder 36:30 ... they're embarrassed that the people are angry that they're there for com... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 36:34 Right.

Dan Soder 36:34 They're like, "What the fuck is going on?"

Joe Rogan 36:36 It was just blind Boston hockey fan rage. Like, "What the fuck?"

Dan Soder 36:41 In the New Eng-

Joe Rogan 36:41 "For fucking jokes?"

Dan Soder 36:43 The New England area, be very careful what sports overlap with your comedy shows, 'cause-

Joe Rogan 36:48 Right.

Dan Soder 36:49 I was doing Comedy Connection. It was the Patriots and the Ravens-

Joe Rogan 36:52 Oh.

Dan Soder 36:53 ... on a Saturday night NFL playoff game.

Joe Rogan 36:55 Oh.

Dan Soder 36:56 And they're like, "Hey, so, uh, you know, there's like five minutes left in the game. We'll just start the show in like 10 minutes." I was like, "I will do less time."

Joe Rogan 37:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 37:04 "We're gonna show the end of that game."

Joe Rogan 37:05 Yeah.

Dan Soder 37:06 'Cause I'm not, I'm not having you pull that screen up and have me be like-

Joe Rogan 37:09 Yeah.

Dan Soder 37:10 ... "What's going on in the world?"

Joe Rogan 37:11 (laughs)

Dan Soder 37:12 And they're like, "I wanted to watch Tom Brady beat the Ravens." Thank God the Patriots won and the show was great, and I did like 30 minutes for this.

Joe Rogan 37:18 Isn't it crazy though, if the Patriots lost, the show might've been shittier?

Dan Soder 37:21 Dude.

Joe Rogan 37:22 It's a real possibility.

Dan Soder 37:23 It affects, it genuinely affects-

Joe Rogan 37:25 Genuinely.

Dan Soder 37:25 ... how people, how peop- people feel. My favorite story of this, of sports affecting it, is I used to open for Nate Bargatze. He's one of my best friends.

Joe Rogan 37:32 Love that dude.

Dan Soder 37:33 He's one of the funniest human beings. He's one of the best comics working.

Joe Rogan 37:35 Yeah, he's great.

Dan Soder 37:36 But he... I mean, we'd do shit gigs together. You know, it's like when your buddy first starts headlining and they're like, they're like, "Dude, fucking come open for me." And you're like, "Absolutely, this is great." You feel like you're stealing money.

Joe Rogan 37:48 Right. Yeah.

Dan Soder 37:48 You're like, "Dude, I'll come open for you. This is gonna be great." We did this place in Erie, Pennsylvania called Junior's Last Laugh, and it's bi- it's a big room. It's a real big room. And the guy, the owner's like, "Saturday's sold out. It's a, it's a Christmas party." This was in January. He's like, "It's a Christmas party, 550 people, Saturday." And the rest of the shows are sparse, so we're like, "This is gonna be the big show." It's like working up all weekend. Nate and I go to Buffalo Wild Wings on that Saturday. No, I'm good. I might do more of that joint. You rip a cigar, I'll rip a joint.

Joe Rogan 38:23 Okay.

Dan Soder 38:23 Um, I'm a- as a former cigarette smoker, cigars make me just wanna be like-

Joe Rogan 38:28 It's too close.

Dan Soder 38:28 ... "Gimme a pack of Camel Lights." What am I doing?

Joe Rogan 38:30 Yeah, it's too close, it's too close.

Dan Soder 38:31 Stop dry humping me.

Joe Rogan 38:32 (laughs)

Dan Soder 38:33 (laughs) Because fucking... I wanna smoke a fucking cigarette.

Joe Rogan 38:34 Right.

Dan Soder 38:35 So, we're at, we're at, uh, this Saturday comes and we're at Buffalo Wild Wings. And Nate and I are watching football and I'm like, "Hey, who's the afternoon game?" And he's like, uh, "Steelers-Ravens?" One of the biggest rivalries in the NFL. And we're in Steeler country.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Oh, yeah.

Dan Soder 38:53 Erie, Pennsylvania is like Steeler country. Dude, we show up to that show, 500 people. They said 400 are in the bar watching the Steeler game, 100 are in this giant room waiting for comedy.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Oh, my God.

Dan Soder 39:07 Everyone's waiting for the f- is watching the Steeler game. It's going on.

Joe Rogan 39:10 And how much time is the game? How much more time?

Dan Soder 39:12 The first quarter.

Joe Rogan 39:13 Oh, God.

Dan Soder 39:13 It's like-

Joe Rogan 39:14 It's not gonna happen.

Dan Soder 39:15 ... the game aligns with the show.

Joe Rogan 39:17 Oh, no.

Dan Soder 39:17 And I'm featuring... I get so fucking lucky that my set lines up with halftime. It's halftime, I go up. A lot of them go in the room, they're not that great of a crowd. I finish, Nate goes on. He maybe has five minutes with him in the room. Second half starts, they flood out. I'm in the room watching Nate because I'm like, "Dude, this is a memorable show."

Joe Rogan 39:40 (laughs)

Dan Soder 39:40 "There's no way I'm never gonna forget this show."

Joe Rogan 39:43 (laughs)

Dan Soder 39:43 And Nate is just, he's got his same tone, you know.

Joe Rogan 39:45 Mm-hmm.

Dan Soder 39:45 And he's just, "Some of the best jokes," and he's just fucking saying them. And then he would say a joke, the people in the room would laugh, and then you'd hear, "Bah," like out at the bar. Like, "Bah!" And it would just fucking cut through the wall where you're like-

Joe Rogan 39:57 So they were laughing or they were cheering?

Dan Soder 39:58 They were cheering.

Joe Rogan 39:59 Cheering. Okay, okay.

Dan Soder 39:59 Cheering, like fucking going nu- 'cause the Steelers won.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Right, right, right.

Dan Soder 40:02 And they're like, (screams) and then Nate's like, "My wife, you know, (laughs) I come home late doing comedy." And then you hear like, "Ah!"

Joe Rogan 40:09 (laughs)

Dan Soder 40:09 It's just like tearing through, and I'm sitting there drinking a beer being like, "Dude, this is... I gotta watch this, 'cause this is a memorable... Nate's getting fucked right now (laughs) by the Steelers."

Joe Rogan 40:18 Wow.

Dan Soder 40:18 It was great. It was a very fun thing. And now you watch him, you know, do theaters and shit, and you're like...

Joe Rogan 40:22 But it's interesting that like all those people had paid for tickets, but the game was so important to them that they wanted to watch it right there and then.

Dan Soder 40:28 They, where they'd rather waste money-

Joe Rogan 40:30 God fucking damn.

Dan Soder 40:30 ... and, and stand shoulder to shoulder in a tight bar watching a fucking tiny TV.

Joe Rogan 40:35 Yeah.

Dan Soder 40:36 That's why I always think like, you know, comedy, it, it's, it's always... You gotta be humble. You just gotta be like, "Dude, this, we ain't shit."

Joe Rogan 40:43 For sure.

Dan Soder 40:44 This is like... If a fucking NFL game can make people waste money to be like, "I don't, I don't give a shit about this clown."

Joe Rogan 40:49 Not just that, though. Uh, like live sporting events are really becoming like the best option for TV.

Dan Soder 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 It's 'cause it's the only thing that you have to watch when it's happening. Everything else is streaming now.

Dan Soder 41:02 Everything's streaming.

Joe Rogan 41:03 Yeah.

Dan Soder 41:03 You can... Spoilers, people take them-

Joe Rogan 41:06 Yeah.

Dan Soder 41:06 ... better now, but sports is like you can, you can also watch it on your phone.

Joe Rogan 41:10 Yeah.

Dan Soder 41:11 You can just, you can just be active in it in a way where you're like-

Joe Rogan 41:13 Yeah.

Dan Soder 41:13 You could watch it. I would say the NFL is like-... it, m- a probably a bigger religion than some religions in this country. Like, the, 'cause I know I do, I love the 49ers and I, like, put it in my calendar to be like, "All right, the 49ers are playing Sunday. I can't, I gotta be home by this time to watch 'em play the fucking Cardinals."

Joe Rogan 41:33 You played college ball, didn't you?

Dan Soder 41:34 No.

Joe Rogan 41:35 You never did?

Dan Soder 41:35 I sucked at football, dude.

Joe Rogan 41:35 You sucked at football?

Dan Soder 41:36 I sucked at athletics. You know what I learned? I learned, that's when I was funny. I was like-

Joe Rogan 41:41 Did you play high school?

Dan Soder 41:42 Yeah, I played high school football and I s- I could run into people fast with my big head.

Joe Rogan 41:46 (laughs)

Dan Soder 41:47 (laughs) And that was it. I did- I didn't know, like, I didn't know fucking schemes. I didn't know anything. I was just like, my friends played football. I loved football. I wanted to be good at it. Wasn't in the cards, dude. I was-

Joe Rogan 41:58 Did you ever see the origins of football?

Dan Soder 42:00 No.

Joe Rogan 42:01 They in- invented it to get people's mind off of war. They gave people, like, a distraction.

Dan Soder 42:06 Makes sense. They're like, "Hey, let's do tiny trench wars."

Joe Rogan 42:08 Yeah. (laughs)

Dan Soder 42:09 And then now, it's, now it crowns people, you know, hundred millionaires.

Joe Rogan 42:12 With leather helmets on back then, too. Dude, that shit was wild.

Dan Soder 42:15 You know, I think, there's part of me that thinks, like, uh, the more and more the CTE conversation gets brought up and they talk about helmets and stuff.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Yeah.

Dan Soder 42:23 Why don't we go back to face, take off the face mask? I wonder if dudes would run into each other as fast.

Joe Rogan 42:28 They will definitely, some dudes will.

Dan Soder 42:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:30 The problem is-

Dan Soder 42:30 (laughs) Yeah, the psychos are like-

Joe Rogan 42:32 Psychos are gonna keep doing it.

Dan Soder 42:32 ... "I'm already numbed up. I'll run into you full face."

Joe Rogan 42:35 No, like, it's not only that but they-

Dan Soder 42:36 Look at that.

Joe Rogan 42:37 ... they're just playing with it.

Dan Soder 42:37 That looks like a swim team now.

Joe Rogan 42:38 (laughs) Did you just see, look how small they were?

Dan Soder 42:40 Dude, I bet those guys could fu- you know what I mean? I bet they were smaller.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Oh, they were savage.

Dan Soder 42:44 I bet like, now-

Joe Rogan 42:45 They're probably wiry.

Dan Soder 42:46 ... but then I bet it, they could grab you with that dad strength and you'd be like, "Oh, shit." So-

Joe Rogan 42:50 Yeah, people were different back then.

Dan Soder 42:51 Look at that guy laying on the bottom. That guy laying on the bottom right there would probably run through me like a piece of paper. The guy that's doing this Playgirl spread?

Joe Rogan 42:59 That looks like the front cover of the best gay porn ever.

Dan Soder 43:01 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:02 All right.

Dan Soder 43:02 They're like, "Ah, it's, why look-"

Joe Rogan 43:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 43:04 ... "it's the running twinks from 1882."

Joe Rogan 43:07 They just look-

Dan Soder 43:07 They just could fucking run right through me.

Joe Rogan 43:10 This is a college game, Penn, Penn State?

Dan Soder 43:12 Uh...

Joe Rogan 43:12 Wasn't it Penn State in 1901?

Narrator 43:14 Yeah, it was Penn.

Dan Soder 43:15 Penn?

Joe Rogan 43:16 Just Penn.

Dan Soder 43:17 Damn, dude. Rocking the stripes, looking like the Hamburglar.

Joe Rogan 43:20 So, did they play with no helmets back then at all?

Narrator 43:23 No.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Oh, look at the top hat.

Dan Soder 43:25 Look at that, dude.

Joe Rogan 43:25 (laughs)

Dan Soder 43:25 If your coach had to wear a top hat like that... (gasps)

Joe Rogan 43:29 I'm, uh, wouldn't you love to go back in time just to watch 'em practice?

Dan Soder 43:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:33 Just wa- watch 'em talk and-

Narrator 43:34 D- do you think they had helmets for anything back there besides war? Like, there wasn't a bicycle helmet?

Dan Soder 43:39 Oh, what?

Joe Rogan 43:40 There was.

Narrator 43:40 No.

Dan Soder 43:40 Oh, my God, bicycle helmets didn't even drop till the '70s, I think.

Narrator 43:42 Oh, okay. It wasn't even safe-

Joe Rogan 43:43 (laughs)

Narrator 43:43 ... for safety for any season.

Joe Rogan 43:44 I'd never had a bicycle helmet.

Dan Soder 43:45 Yeah, th- those guys were probably like, "Why? You can't restrict your brain or else you'll go crazy. Put anything on your head, you go nuts."

Joe Rogan 43:51 As soon as they-

Dan Soder 43:51 'Cause they don't have, like, science. It's like...

Joe Rogan 43:54 As soon as they gave people bicycle helmets, they started doing flips.

Dan Soder 43:57 For real. That's, uh-

Joe Rogan 43:57 That's what happened.

Dan Soder 43:58 That's what I mean, that's what I mean.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Yeah.

Dan Soder 43:59 Like, with the face masks, you're not, you take a face mask off, I don't know if a dude's gonna get, throw his body the way he is.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Well-

Dan Soder 44:05 But maybe.

Joe Rogan 44:06 ... you know what it's gonna be like? It's gonna be like legalizing drugs. There's gonna be a break in period.

Dan Soder 44:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:11 Where things are gonna get fucked. There's gonna be, like, a period of transition.

Dan Soder 44:15 Which is, what a fun period to watch.

Joe Rogan 44:17 Yeah. It's gonna be fun. But with football, there could be a real issue, like that period of transition where people go from-

Dan Soder 44:22 Throwing back.

Joe Rogan 44:22 ... playing football with pads-

Dan Soder 44:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:24 ... to playing football with no pads 'cause that's what they should be doing.

Dan Soder 44:27 It'll-

Joe Rogan 44:27 Anything you can do where you're wearing armor, you're wearing armor, come on.

Dan Soder 44:31 I, it get, well, it gives you, like-

Joe Rogan 44:33 Yeah.

Dan Soder 44:33 You know, I think that's why people talk shit online so well 'cause it's like you got a mask, you got an armor on-

Joe Rogan 44:39 Yes.

Dan Soder 44:39 You got a distance.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Of course.

Dan Soder 44:40 You can just fucking talk that shit.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Definitely.

Dan Soder 44:42 So you can let stuff out. So you're right.

Joe Rogan 44:44 Yeah.

Dan Soder 44:44 It's like you take the armor off.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Yeah.

Dan Soder 44:46 What's football?

Joe Rogan 44:47 It's a weird game.

Dan Soder 44:48 Well, Australians do it. You know?

Joe Rogan 44:49 Yeah, it's, I'm not disparaging football. It's a dope game. But it's weird-

Dan Soder 44:52 Oh, it's my, it's my favorite.

Joe Rogan 44:53 It's weird in that they, they're armored. Like if you look at, like, the way rugby guys play.

Dan Soder 44:57 It feels cool. I'm not gonna lie, part of the f-

Joe Rogan 44:59 The armor? Yeah. Fuck yeah.

Dan Soder 45:01 Fuck yeah, I was like, "Dude-"

Joe Rogan 45:01 Of course.

Dan Soder 45:02 I sucked at it. So knowing that I'm gonna go get laid out, I was still, like, putting on my pads like, "This is fucking cool." And then just getting... dude.

Joe Rogan 45:11 Ugh.

Dan Soder 45:12 I got, I used to... Practice when I was in high school and I was on JV and you'd have to go against varsity and a guy would just grab you and just be like, "You're gonna go in the dirt now." (laughs) And just put you in the dirt and just hold you there and you're like, (gasps) .

Joe Rogan 45:23 (sucks air through teeth)

Dan Soder 45:23 It fucking sucks. Like, what's funny is Shane was awesome at football.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Yeah.

Dan Soder 45:29 And then he showed me a picture and I saw him in his pads and I was like, "You would've kicked the shit out of me every day in practice. You look..." He's got helmet face.

Joe Rogan 45:36 Yes.

Dan Soder 45:36 Like, his hel- his face fits perfectly in a helmet.

Joe Rogan 45:38 It formed that way.

Dan Soder 45:40 Formed, exactly.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Yeah.

Dan Soder 45:40 My face is so far back but I, yet I have a bigger head.

Joe Rogan 45:44 Shane's got a trainer now.

Dan Soder 45:45 I know, I've, uh, yeah. He-

Joe Rogan 45:46 He's working out.

Dan Soder 45:47 He was, he was puffing up on me.

Joe Rogan 45:49 Yeah, he showed me his guns.

Dan Soder 45:50 In Nashville.

Joe Rogan 45:50 I was like, "Dude, those are big. Like, your body's coming back."

Dan Soder 45:51 This is a, this is my impression of, this is my impression of Shane flexing.

Joe Rogan 45:55 That's it. (laughs) That's pretty good. The face.

Dan Soder 45:56 He goes, he goes, "Touch me, dude."

Joe Rogan 45:57 The face. (laughs) The mouth.

Dan Soder 45:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:59 That's pretty good. (laughs)

Dan Soder 46:00 I could, I do a good F- Shane face. Uh, but yeah, dude, he, we were in Nashville together and he's like, I was like, "All right."

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah, no, he's getting buff.

Dan Soder 46:06 I got so s- soft during COVID. I just ate and sat around and then everyone came back out and I was like, "I'm all mushy."

Joe Rogan 46:15 It's hard if you live in an apartment, man. If there-

Dan Soder 46:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:17 If there, if there's lockdowns everywhere and you live in an apartment and you got no... What are you gonna do? You're gonna work out in your kitchen?

Dan Soder 46:23 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 46:23 You know? Like, a lot of people did, you know?

Dan Soder 46:25 So my, my poor girlfriend has to hear me breathing doing pushups.

Joe Rogan 46:28 Yeah.

Dan Soder 46:28 Like, (panting sounds) That's it.

Joe Rogan 46:29 (laughs)

Dan Soder 46:29 Have you ever wanted to let it go? Have you ever wanted to just be like, like fuck sober October. Do, like, a lazy January where you just don't, you don't work out, you just eat-

Joe Rogan 46:39 I'll just get depressed. It won't be, it's not good.

Dan Soder 46:41 Okay.

Joe Rogan 46:42 That's not smart. That doesn't make any sense to me.

Dan Soder 46:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:44 It's like then I won't feel good. Like, I don't mind working out, but-

Dan Soder 46:47 Is that just me being lazy and being like, "Get down in the mud, Joe?"

Joe Rogan 46:50 Yeah. It's, I don't mind effort. It's like, it's, uh, so normal to me. Like today's, I did not want to work out today.

Dan Soder 46:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:57 But I knew that that's just this thing that you have to go through in the earliest part of the workout to-

Dan Soder 47:02 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:02 ... start breaking a sweat.

Dan Soder 47:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 So I just trudge through the first couple of minutes like I always do.

Dan Soder 47:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:08 But that voice is always there.

Dan Soder 47:09 Man, that voice is-

Joe Rogan 47:10 That's that fuck it voice.

Dan Soder 47:11 My voice is so good at getting me to (laughs) say fuck it.

Joe Rogan 47:14 (laughs)

Dan Soder 47:15 My voice is like, "Dude, take a nap." And I'm like-

Joe Rogan 47:16 It's a good salesman.

Dan Soder 47:17 I'm like, "Yeah."

Joe Rogan 47:18 Yeah.

Dan Soder 47:18 "You're right, dude. Take a nap."

Joe Rogan 47:19 Yeah.

Dan Soder 47:19 Naps rule.

Joe Rogan 47:21 Um...... it's not good.

Dan Soder 47:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:23 You don't have to. It's also-

Dan Soder 47:24 Well, yeah, also your body is used to it.

Joe Rogan 47:25 Yeah.

Dan Soder 47:25 Your body is used to those endorphins and shit.

Joe Rogan 47:27 It's used to it and, uh, my mind is used to it, maybe even more than my body. That's the most important thing.

Dan Soder 47:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:33 When I have a good cardio workout especially, uh, nothing fucking bothers me, man.

Dan Soder 47:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 47:38 Nothing. I'm cool.

Dan Soder 47:39 Man.

Joe Rogan 47:40 With, no matter what, I'm like, "Oh, wait, we're good."

Dan Soder 47:41 That's a good pitch for working out.

Joe Rogan 47:43 It's d- There's something to it, man, because you gotta... I don't think you, it's just comes from straight exercise. I think it comes from exhaustion.

Dan Soder 47:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:51 Actual exhaustion, and then recovery from that exhaustion. There's like a level of c- peace and clarity-

Dan Soder 47:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:58 ... that I only achieve through these brutal workouts, and so I'm not missing that. 'Cause if that was a pill, if my psychiatrist got me on that pill, I'd be like, "Dude, thank you."

Dan Soder 48:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:07 "This is the shit. This is the one."

Dan Soder 48:09 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:10 Oh my God, it's the one. All my problems, my anxiety, it's all out the window now and I'm more loving, I'm more friendly, I'm more forgiving. I'm, I'm a, I'm just, um, um, I have more clarity.

Dan Soder 48:20 Do you take days off?

Joe Rogan 48:22 Yeah, occasionally. Yeah, I'll take a day off.

Dan Soder 48:24 But-

Joe Rogan 48:24 I don't, it's not, I'm not scared to not... Like, I have to work out every day. It's just I know I should work out every day.

Dan Soder 48:29 'Cause I take a day off and then I'm like, "What about two days off?"

Joe Rogan 48:31 Ah-ha.

Dan Soder 48:32 And then I'm like, "What about three days off?"

Joe Rogan 48:33 Well, sometimes I've gone too far, and uh, I over-trained, like I'm too exhausted. I'm like, "I, I went a little nutty." And then the next day, I'll take two days off. I'll take a couple of days off and then I'll come back.

Dan Soder 48:45 Do you love those days? 'Cause you're just like, "Ah."

Joe Rogan 48:46 Sometimes. I love days off if I c- if I earned it.

Dan Soder 48:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:50 Right? If I'm just taking the day off and I... Say like if we don't have any podcasts and, uh, I didn't do anything that day, I didn't work out, I didn't f- I didn't, I didn't write, I didn't do shit, I just laid around the house, that's not fun.

Dan Soder 49:02 Oh, is it though? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:03 Ah, it's not fun. I don't enjoy it. (laughs) I don't enjoy it.

Dan Soder 49:05 (laughs) I'm just, uh, to compare my laziness with yours, I'm like-

Joe Rogan 49:08 (laughs)

Dan Soder 49:08 I don't know, Joe. I would go as far as to say it is very enjoyable to just lay around, but that's kinda what I did during the pandemic and then trying to get back.

Joe Rogan 49:15 Yeah.

Dan Soder 49:15 Like, getting back on the road full-time-

Joe Rogan 49:18 Right.

Dan Soder 49:18 ... was like a thing where I was like, "Oh, shit, that was in a way like I was in shape-

Joe Rogan 49:24 Yes.

Dan Soder 49:24 ... and now I'm outta shape."

Joe Rogan 49:25 Right.

Dan Soder 49:25 I was like super... I would come home on Sunday and be fucking exhausted, exhausted just being like, I did five shows that... And now it's back to being nothing, but then it was like, mentally I didn't realize, going to the airport-

Joe Rogan 49:38 Yeah.

Dan Soder 49:38 ... traveling, going to the hotel-

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yeah.

Dan Soder 49:39 ... preparing the sets, writing jokes during the day, it f-

Joe Rogan 49:42 You felt so relaxed.

Dan Soder 49:43 Dude, it was... I missed it. I missed like... It's great to be back on the road now and it's great to, like, go back out and just do standup and-

Joe Rogan 49:51 Yeah.

Dan Soder 49:51 ... you know, have fun at, have every show be fun.

Joe Rogan 49:53 But you realize what you almost got taken away forever.

Dan Soder 49:57 Dude.

Joe Rogan 49:57 It's the most amazing job.

Dan Soder 49:59 I was laughing about it. It became funny at one point because, like my end of 2019, probably the best run I've ever had in my life to the point where I was like, "I'm-"

Joe Rogan 50:07 So you were right there-

Dan Soder 50:08 I was having so much fun.

Joe Rogan 50:09 ... and they took it away.

Dan Soder 50:10 I was having so much fun. My girlfriend and I met, started dating, that was awesome. The 49ers were in the playoffs. My buddy from middle school was coaching them. You know, I was having so much fun. I put out an HBO special that I was proud of. I was adding shows. Everyone's like, "You gotta add shows." I'm used to, I'm 50% Dan, baby.

Joe Rogan 50:28 (laughs)

Dan Soder 50:28 I'm apologizing to waitresses. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:31 (laughs)

Dan Soder 50:31 I'm saying, "I'm sorry you can't make rent month this," you know, "rent this month." (laughs) And so they're like, "We gotta add an early show on Thursday." "This is... Fuck it, what is this?" But I didn't have a good act 'cause I turned my special around too quick and I was like-

Joe Rogan 50:43 Ooh, yeah.

Dan Soder 50:43 Didn't have an act that I was like proud of, jokes I liked.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Right. Yeah.

Dan Soder 50:46 And then fucking, dude, COVID was like, "Sit down, bitch." (laughs) And I was like, "All right." And then just stopped doing standup, but that was... I think that's like the lesson I learned from COVID, was it slowed me down and I got to re-tool and, and be... I don't know, kinda re-calibrate in a way.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 51:04 In a way now that I'm having a lot more fun.

Joe Rogan 51:07 That's great. It's like you, you need a reassessment sometimes, 'cause a lot of times we operate on momentum.

Dan Soder 51:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Where you're just going and going and going, but you're not thinking about like, "Hmm, is this... What am I doing?" You know?

Dan Soder 51:17 Yeah, you're not taking the steps-

Joe Rogan 51:18 Yeah.

Dan Soder 51:18 ... to be like, "Is this good?" I also think in, like, our modern culture it's so pushed undefeated. "All I do is win."

Joe Rogan 51:26 (laughs)

Dan Soder 51:26 It's like, "Motherfucker, you're boring if you just win."

Joe Rogan 51:28 Yeah.

Dan Soder 51:29 Like, the best is learning from a loss. And I think that's why, like sports, I think it's important if you're good and shitty.

Joe Rogan 51:35 Yeah.

Dan Soder 51:35 'Cause I was shitty at it, but dude...

Joe Rogan 51:37 You got a lot out of it.

Dan Soder 51:38 I learned, I learned a lot about humility.

Joe Rogan 51:40 Yeah.

Dan Soder 51:40 I learned a lot about, "You ain't shit." Dude, I lost a Pop Warner football game 116-0.

Joe Rogan 51:46 Whoa.

Dan Soder 51:48 That... When you're a kid, when you're 11 and you're like losing like 84-0, you're like, "Hey guys, I got the lesson. Can we stop?" And then like that drive home with my mom where she's like, "Whoa, y'all took a beating." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:03 (laughs)

Dan Soder 52:03 She can't even hide it. (laughs) She can't even hide it. She's like, "Shit, man. You got the fucking dick knocked off you."

Joe Rogan 52:08 You gotta experience loss.

Dan Soder 52:09 Yeah, and it's, I think that's always like a, uh, people that are afraid of it push the other agenda where they're like, "All I do is win. You're weak if you lose." And you're like, "Ah." I think you're afraid to lose.

Joe Rogan 52:21 Yeah. You can't be afraid to lose.

Dan Soder 52:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:23 You can't. It's, that's, it means you're trying, uh, to grow and trying to step up to another level. You're trying to figure things out. You're trying-

Dan Soder 52:29 It's a risk.

Joe Rogan 52:30 You're trying to do something you're not perfect at yet.

Dan Soder 52:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:32 You're try- trying to get better.

Dan Soder 52:33 Yeah, I used to be so ashamed. Like you wanna talk about working out? I used to be like so... When I was in my 20s and I'd go to the gym and I'd be doing just dumbbell pu- you know, press, and be like... Like that.

Joe Rogan 52:45 (laughs)

Dan Soder 52:45 But I'm at a Gold's Gym in Tucson at like fucking 2:00 PM, no one's there, but the guys that are there that are big and working out, I'm immediately like, "Dude, I look like such an asshole." And it would, it would deter me from coming back 'cause I'd be like, "I look dumb." But then the older you get, you're like, "You look dumb for a little bit." And then you get better at it, and you get better... It's like check spots.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Yeah.

Dan Soder 53:04 It was like, I looked like an asshole in front of Patrice and Big Jay on that premiere. But then you just keep doing it and doing it and doing it.

Joe Rogan 53:11 I think the problem with a lot of people also is that they have one thing.

Dan Soder 53:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:15 So if you have one thing that you're learning and you're trying to get good at and you suck-

Dan Soder 53:19 B-

Joe Rogan 53:19 That means you suck.

Dan Soder 53:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:21 ... right? But if-

Dan Soder 53:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:21 ... you have another thing-

Dan Soder 53:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:22 ... that you do that you're good-

Dan Soder 53:23 If you're putting all of it into that.

Joe Rogan 53:25 ... Right. Like, say if you're trying to do standup, but you're also a professional chess player, like, a really good chess player, so you really, you know how to get really good at something.

Dan Soder 53:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:32 And so standup, you suck, but you're like, "Yeah, but ah, it's a process 'cause I'm fucking good at this chess thing, and I think I'm gonna be good at standup too. It's complicated, and it's difficult, but I'm gonna figure it out." But if you've never done-

Dan Soder 53:44 That's-

Joe Rogan 53:44 ... anything before, that's the, the early days of standup are the most dangerous times for a depressed person's life because you're, the reason why you're getting into standup in the first place is-

Dan Soder 53:53 Validation.

Joe Rogan 53:53 ... yeah, most likely, Mommy and Daddy weren't fucking hanging around so often.

Dan Soder 53:57 If you're good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:58 If you're good. And so these kids are already, or these people are already kind of fucked, and then the thing they're trying to do is just crushing their self-esteem-

Dan Soder 54:08 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 54:08 ... like, like you've never felt before. I always say that bombing is like sucking 1,000 dicks in front of your mother.

Dan Soder 54:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 But the problem is, there's a guy out there that would like sucking 1,000 dicks in front of his mom.

Dan Soder 54:18 It's like this?

Joe Rogan 54:18 He's like, "This is what I do, Mom."

Dan Soder 54:19 Uh, "Mommy!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:20 "You love me!" Number 99, Mommy!

Dan Soder 54:23 Look at your, look at your baby just-

Joe Rogan 54:25 So-

Dan Soder 54:25 ... sucking 'em down.

Joe Rogan 54:26 Yeah.

Dan Soder 54:26 It is... Uh, you would see... What was funny about doing standup in New York in the open mic scene is I started in Tucson, where they kind of aided the open mic. They would put it in front of a real show, so you'd get crowds.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Yeah.

Dan Soder 54:40 And then you go to New York, and you're like, "This is the barren wasteland." You're seeing mentally ill people.

Joe Rogan 54:47 (laughs)

Dan Soder 54:47 Like, Tim Dillon is the best example. Tim Dillon's from Long Island or whatever. He could've started in that Long Island scene and stayed out there and been Tim Dillon, but he showed up and was like, "I gotta get outta there. They're worse than the people here." And you just saw him tr-

Joe Rogan 55:01 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:01 And you would see people that you're like, "This guy's really funny. He'll be all right." And you kinda gotta grab each other in that moment and be like-

Joe Rogan 55:07 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:08 ... "We're gonna get through this storm."

Joe Rogan 55:09 Yes. (laughs)

Dan Soder 55:09 "Everybody's gonna be all right." Like, that was like, it was-

Joe Rogan 55:11 "We have potatoes in the basement."

Dan Soder 55:13 Yeah, that was, like, me, List, Nate, and Norman when we were coming up-

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:16 ... in New York. We're like, "Guys, this is fucking awful, but we're doing it." And booze helps.

Joe Rogan 55:21 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:21 Booze helps-

Joe Rogan 55:22 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:22 ... when you're like, "Let's go get beers and laugh about this shit-"

Joe Rogan 55:24 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:24 ... "and be dumb," you know?

Joe Rogan 55:25 Yeah.

Dan Soder 55:25 And it really... 'Cause you're right, 'cause if you don't have that and you're like, you bomb...

Joe Rogan 55:32 Well, you have a g- you guys have a good camaraderie in New York now. There wasn't a good camaraderie in New York in the '90s.

Dan Soder 55:38 Oh, man, I can't remem-

Joe Rogan 55:38 Everybody had the TV mentality. You had-

Dan Soder 55:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:40 ... everybody trying to get TV shows, and they, and if you and I were auditioning for the same television show, we'd fucking both hate each other.

Dan Soder 55:47 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 55:47 It's like, "Oh, Dan Soder got that fucking part."

Dan Soder 55:49 Yeah, that guy's playing-

Joe Rogan 55:50 "You shit."

Dan Soder 55:50 ... a fucking goofy-

Joe Rogan 55:51 Fuck you.

Dan Soder 55:52 ... neighbor?

Joe Rogan 55:52 Fuck you. I'm a goofy neighbor.

Dan Soder 55:52 Did you guys ever do it with, like, uh, did you guys ever do it with, like, Catchphrase commercials? He's like, "He's the fucking Come and See Me guy now."

Joe Rogan 55:57 (laughs)

Dan Soder 55:57 "Fuck him, that fucking prick!"

Joe Rogan 55:59 (laughs)

Dan Soder 56:00 "Guy's not even funny." Oh... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 56:02 But that was the thing in the '90s, and the, the guys that are coming up today, they don't have that attitude anymore. Everybody does everybody's podcast, so it's-

Dan Soder 56:07 Everyone's like, "Hey-"

Joe Rogan 56:08 ... it's way healthier.

Dan Soder 56:09 ... "Hey, check this guy out."

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Dan Soder 56:10 "I really care about him." Well, that's what's interesting. I, I love talking to, like, um, guys that have been around because history repeats itself. And you've been in comedy where you've watched the crash... The '90s, guys? People don't realize about, just about the mid-'90s, early two-, early-2000 com- comics. You guys were doing it for nobody. No one gave a fuck about comedy.

Joe Rogan 56:33 They did in certain places.

Dan Soder 56:34 But you look at the store. You look at The Cellar. Louis put up this old video of him at The Cellar from, like, 2001. There's no one there. There's, like, 15 people, and they're just running a show all night being like-

Joe Rogan 56:46 Right.

Dan Soder 56:46 "Whoever comes in, they stay until they wanna leave. We put up as many comics as we can."

Joe Rogan 56:49 Right.

Dan Soder 56:49 And now they're like, "Good luck getting a reservation two weeks before." That's like a, it's like a-

Joe Rogan 56:54 Yeah.

Dan Soder 56:54 ... hot ticket. So I try to tell my friends. I'm like, "Guys, just be aware that that might be coming back." There might be a, we might have reached a point in comedy, and I think-

Joe Rogan 57:06 No.

Dan Soder 57:06 You don't think that's-

Joe Rogan 57:07 No.

Dan Soder 57:07 You don't think that?

Joe Rogan 57:08 Not even-

Dan Soder 57:08 You think it's-

Joe Rogan 57:08 ... close.

Dan Soder 57:09 Really?

Joe Rogan 57:09 The opposite. It's the opposite. It's the mo-

Dan Soder 57:11 You think it's still going up?

Joe Rogan 57:12 It's the most fun thing to go see.

Dan Soder 57:15 It is very fun to go see.

Joe Rogan 57:16 And it's live. It's one of the rare live things.

Dan Soder 57:19 But you don't think podcasting, specifically podcasting, started showing people, too many people how the sausage is made?

Joe Rogan 57:25 No, fuck the sausage.

Dan Soder 57:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:27 Who gives a shit?

Dan Soder 57:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:28 Tell good jokes. I know how the sausage is made.

Dan Soder 57:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:30 I still laugh.

Dan Soder 57:31 I still love sausage.

Joe Rogan 57:32 I fucking love sausage. When d- when Tim Dillon, like, I hadn't seen him in like six months, and I went to see him at The Vulcan.

Dan Soder 57:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:38 He fucking murdered. You wanna talk about know the sausage, I know that guy inside and out.

Dan Soder 57:42 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:43 I know everything about him. He's a fucking great guy. I'm friends with him.

Dan Soder 57:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:45 I hang with him. We talk shit together privately. We text message. We send memes to each other. We-

Dan Soder 57:50 But you still-

Joe Rogan 57:50 And I still laugh hard as fuck. Like, you can't know the sausage any more than, like, the way I know Joey Diaz or the way I know-

Dan Soder 57:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:57 There's no f-

Dan Soder 57:57 I mean, I feel that way about, you know, Nate and Big Jay-

Joe Rogan 58:00 Yeah.

Dan Soder 58:00 ... and Shane and-

Joe Rogan 58:00 But you still laugh-

Dan Soder 58:01 ... that gang.

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... though, right?

Dan Soder 58:02 My god, my favorite thing is-

Joe Rogan 58:03 Com- great comedy is fun, man. It's not-

Dan Soder 58:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:05 ... going anywhere. You can't think like this.

Dan Soder 58:07 I love-

Joe Rogan 58:07 There's people that... You're a doom-and-gloom guy.

Dan Soder 58:09 Oh, I mean, I'm trying to pull out of it.

Joe Rogan 58:11 Yeah, don't do that. I'm not a doom-and-gloom guy.

Dan Soder 58:12 But I'm also trying to pull out of that 'cause I think that was m- most of my life being like other-shoes coming, win, constantly, in everything, every relationship, every-

Joe Rogan 58:22 Yeah.

Dan Soder 58:22 ... everything, it was like... Because probably with how I grew up and shit that happened to me when I was a teenager, I was probably like, "Yeah, it's doom and gloom." If something... E- exact example, when I talked to you about 2019.

Joe Rogan 58:33 Yeah.

Dan Soder 58:33 I felt... When COVID happened, there was a part of me that was like, "I was due."

Joe Rogan 58:38 (laughs) Yeah.

Dan Soder 58:39 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 58:39 "You were due for a fall."

Dan Soder 58:40 I was like, I was like, "That was too many c- cool shit. That was too much good shit." So I think that's also why I also think every comedian, if you're a professional comedian, you should be in therapy or have a form of therapy because that's like a sports trainer helping you-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Oh, it helps you-

Dan Soder 58:55 ... so you don't blow your knees out.

Joe Rogan 58:56 ... sort this out?

Dan Soder 58:56 Yeah, you just-

Joe Rogan 58:57 Yeah.

Dan Soder 58:57 Well, you also, like, to process shit.

Joe Rogan 58:59 Right, uh, it-

Dan Soder 58:59 I've been able to-

Joe Rogan 59:00 ... it is.

Dan Soder 59:00 ... look at, like, you saying I'm a doom-and-gloom guy-

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah.

Dan Soder 59:03 ... t- 15 years ago, I would be like, "I'm fuck... I knew, hey, fuck, it's turning," you know?

Joe Rogan 59:07 (laughs)

Dan Soder 59:08 But it, like now, because I know myself-

Joe Rogan 59:10 Right.

Dan Soder 59:10 ... I'm like, "Yeah, no, I am."

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah.

Dan Soder 59:12 "Straight up, I am," but I'm also trying to change that actively 'cause then the more I change that, the more I can enjoy shit.

Joe Rogan 59:19 Well, the reality is no one knows what's gonna happen in the future, right?

Dan Soder 59:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:23 Anything can happen. And the w- the real dark, dystopian, fucking dangerous future involves war and natural disasters.

Dan Soder 59:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:29 Those are the real scenarios that could wipe out everything.

Dan Soder 59:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:32 But if culture remains consistent, and they, they s- it stays the way it is right now-

Dan Soder 59:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:37 ... with access to the internet that people have today...... comedy's not going anywhere. It's the most fun thing.

Dan Soder 59:41 Which, great.

Joe Rogan 59:42 So it's, yeah, so let it go.

Dan Soder 59:42 I, listen, that's what I want.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Let it go.

Dan Soder 59:44 Okay, cool.

Joe Rogan 59:45 We're gonna be fine.

Dan Soder 59:45 All right, cool. I'm gonna light this joint.

Joe Rogan 59:46 Comedy's never... I'm, I'm in the middle of, uh, opening up a club too.

Dan Soder 59:48 I'm gonna light this joint right now.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Light that joint back up for me.

Dan Soder 59:50 And just have, you know, have a little fun.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Let's do it.

Dan Soder 59:52 Um...

Joe Rogan 59:53 Um, but, no, it's not going anywhere. It's the best time for comedy I've- I can ever recall. Because the youth-

Dan Soder 59:57 Man, I got, I got to do the Paramount last night.

Joe Rogan 59:59 Yeah.

Dan Soder 59:59 I got to do a, I got to-

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Paramount's dope.

Dan Soder 1:00:00 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 Dope, dope theater. Really cool.

Dan Soder 1:00:02 I've been trying to work that... I tried to, (laughs) I tried-

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Cool people working there too.

Dan Soder 1:00:06 I tried to film my Comedy Central Hour special there.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Oh, yeah?

Dan Soder 1:00:09 In 2015 'cause I loved it. I opened for Hannibal there at Moontower and I was like, "That's the- that's the best set I've ever had." It was the most fun on stage and I was like, "I wanna do my hour special there." And (laughs) Comedy Central was like, "You can't do that many people." And then I had to look at it and be like, "All right." Again, comedy humbled me. They were like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Yeah.

Dan Soder 1:00:27 ... "All right. Go to a fucking rock club, idiot." So do, being able to do it last night meant a lot.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 It's a dope spot.

Dan Soder 1:00:31 And it's, the crowd was... I had Adrian Iapalucci there. It was, and Josh Adermeyer. It was fun, man.

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Look at you, pal.

Dan Soder 1:00:36 Dude, it was like... That's why I hope comedy stays around, 'cause it's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 It's not going anywhere, man.

Dan Soder 1:00:40 ... the best.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Or, we're fucked.

Dan Soder 1:00:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 If it's the la... Like, when, when COVID hit and, uh, they lo- closed down everything, and clubs shut down, and they locked down, it was two weeks to flatten the curve those days. There was a moment when two weeks became a month and, you know, all the fearmongering was being ramped up on television, that I was like, "Okay. I have to accept this new world, and in this new world, comedy's gone."

Dan Soder 1:01:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 I'm o- okay. I had a great time.

Dan Soder 1:01:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:06 And I just let it go. And then I thought, "Okay, now I just, I have to one... If this gets worse-"

Dan Soder 1:01:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 "... I have to think about where I'm living and I have to think about survival." Like, you have to really think about actual, real survival, not like-

Dan Soder 1:01:20 The real shit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Not like you're, you know, you're fucking LARPing for a movie or, you know, you're do- doing-

Dan Soder 1:01:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 ... a survival show where you're canning peaches. No. Like, y- large swaths of people could die. If you make the wrong choice, it