Joe Rogan Experience #1810 - Remi Warren

1. 0:00 – 3:37

   Remi’s wrist surgery: the duck-catching injury and brutal reconstruction

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) And we're up, Remy Warren. How are you, brother?

   4. RWRemi Warren0:17

      Yeah, pretty good, man. How are you?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      What's going on? So we were talking, uh, last night when we were hanging out about your hand. So, t- tell me what's going on with that.

   6. RWRemi Warren0:24

      Yeah, I just actually had a, a wrist surgery. And, um, just doing something stupid ... (laughs) I don't even know if I wanna tell the story of how I did it. It's so dumb. But, uh, I tore the like, d- I guess, tendons in, in there, stuff that kind of controls all that. So they went in, took some out of my forearm-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      You're gonna have to tell everybody now.

   8. RWRemi Warren0:41

      Yeah, I know. (laughs) I was like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:42

      (laughs) Like, "What did you do?"

   10. RWRemi Warren0:43

       Well okay, this is, this is, this is the tru- well, I don't even actually 100% know. Um, but it was like, uh, you know when you just, I don't know, you get an injury?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Mm-hmm.

   12. RWRemi Warren0:52

       And you think like, you don't even think about it, you just keep doing your shit-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Right.

   14. RWRemi Warren0:56

       And, um, it was like last September. I was, uh, I shot a pretty good bull elk in New Mexico and I'm like skinning it out and I couldn't use my hand very well, so I like taped the knife in my hand and do the whole thing. And the guys that are with me are looking at me like, "That's not right, man. You should probably get that checked out." (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       (laughs)

   16. RWRemi Warren1:12

       And I was thinking about it, I was like, "Yeah, I probably should." So I went to the doctor and I was just thinking like, they're gonna say, "Ah, it's, you know, nothing." And they're like, "This is a major injury." Like, "How, how long has it been like this?" I was like, "I don't know, three months or so." And they're like, "Oh yeah, this is ... How'd you do it?" I was like, "I don't know." They said it was consistent with like a fall from maybe 10 feet straight onto your wrist. And I couldn't think of ... I was like, "I, I would remember that." They were like, "You would remember it." And I started thinking back (laughs) and like the following January I was duck hunting and these, these mallards are coming in and like pretty high up, so I shoot one and it was like, probably like, I don't know, 30 feet up, flying 30 miles an hour, and it's coming right at me. And I think, "Oh, I'll j- reach up and try (laughs) to catch it out of the air so it doesn't hit me in the face," and bent my f- hand back and I think that that's what tore it. And then just never, I just taped the fingers up and never like healed right. And then a combination of that, when I was in ... And then I was in BC th- this last year, like hiking across a mountain, had the trekking pole and my wrist just gave out, slammed into the hill, and that was kind of, I think the last straw. It finally probably tore everything.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Oh, so you probably had it hurt-

   18. RWRemi Warren2:17

       Hurt.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:17

       ... from the mallard-

   20. RWRemi Warren2:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:18

       ... and then ...

   22. RWRemi Warren2:19

       And then, you know, a combination, like falling, like ... And then just overuse and, and gave it the rest. And so they just went in, opened it up on both sides, took that, drilled holes through everything, and then screwed it to my f- t- there's a bone in my arm, I guess. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       So do they use other tendons? Do they r- m- m-

   24. RWRemi Warren2:38

       Yeah, they ... There's like these two cuts here. I don't know h- how I ... You know, one of the things I didn't want to do is research it too much (laughs) 'cause I was like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       (laughs) Freak you out. (laughs)

   26. RWRemi Warren2:46

       Yeah. (laughs) Like I don't really wanna know what's going on. I was like sometimes the oblivious thing is a little bit better. But they took them out of my forearm here.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       Wow.

   28. RWRemi Warren2:53

       And then used those. They drilled ... There's like a bunch of little bones in here, so there's like the, uh, it's like an SL reconstruction kind of thing, so there's a bunch of little bones in there, and they just opened it up on both sides, essentially drilled through, so there's holes all the way through. Then they took those tendons, wrapped it around, and then screwed it to my forearm. But I guess when they were screwing it in, they broke a drill bit (laughs) and then they had to, um, and then they tried to get it out with another drill bit and then broke that, and then they used-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Whoa.

   30. RWRemi Warren3:22

       ... the chuck key to d- and a hammer to get it all out so they wouldn't leave it in there. So it was ... Yeah, it's like-
2. 3:37 – 8:59

   Rehab mindset and staying functional: straps, hooks, and mouth-tab archery

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      So you're two weeks out, is that what you said, from getting the cast removed?

   2. RWRemi Warren3:41

      Yeah, from getting the cast removed.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      And you're, are you just getting range of motion back? Like ...

   4. RWRemi Warren3:45

      Yeah, it's, it's a little bit like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:47

      It looks crazy.

   6. RWRemi Warren3:47

      Yeah, it's weird. Uh, it's, uh, I mean, I've been working on it. I just kind of sit here and pr- actually kind of used to just like pu- pushing on it, trying to move it a little bit all day.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:55

      Do you have, uh, straps so that you can work out with your arm?

   8. RWRemi Warren4:01

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      So you don't lose your arm?

   10. RWRemi Warren4:02

       Yeah, I've been starting to do that-

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       Yeah.

   12. RWRemi Warren4:04

       ... for sure.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       You ever seen those hooks?

   14. RWRemi Warren4:05

       Yep. Yeah, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       Yeah, those are great.

   16. RWRemi Warren4:07

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       A l- lot of guys like with hand injuries, they use those.

   18. RWRemi Warren4:10

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       So you can, you can keep working out with your arm and you don't put the, the pressure on your hand.

   20. RWRemi Warren4:15

       Yeah, that's what I, I ... Like right after I got it off, I went to Home Depot and just made a bunch of stuff. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       (laughs)

   22. RWRemi Warren4:21

       So ... (laughs) But yeah, you, you should, you, like, uh, with anything, I mean, this is obviously not, uh, permanent, but like right now, well, you know, uh, I, I shoot my bow all the time and when you, when you're used to like getting up and shooting your bow every day-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Mm-hmm.

   24. RWRemi Warren4:32

       ... and then you can't shoot your bow-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       Yeah.

   26. RWRemi Warren4:33

       ... you start to ... It just feels weird. So I got, uh, I just started shooting like a mouth tab, so you just draw it back with your teeth and-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah, Dudley did that. John Dudley, uh, had shoulder surgery back in the day and he switched over to the other arm 'cause he had shoulder surgery on his left.

   28. RWRemi Warren4:49

       Oh, okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       So he switched over to holding the bow with his right and pulling it with his mouth tab.

   30. RWRemi Warren4:54

       That would, I think that would be more weird, more difficult. But that's-
3. 8:59 – 10:51

   Injury recoveries and alternative treatments: Joe’s prolotherapy experience

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:59

      Yeah. So, your situation, um, do they think that you'll fully recover with your hand like this?

   2. RWRemi Warren9:06

      I don't know. I probably won't ever get f- same full range of motion, but...

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:10

      But you'll have strength?

   4. RWRemi Warren9:11

      Yeah, I'll get strength back. Should be pretty good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:13

      That's good.

   6. RWRemi Warren9:13

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:13

      You're already moving your hand, but... Like, my friend Tom Segura had a pretty bad, uh, hand and arm injury, and his hand is not s-... That was over a year ago, and he's not fully recovered.

   8. RWRemi Warren9:24

      Yeah, I- I don't know. I mean-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:25

      So your hand looks pretty damn good compared to his.

   10. RWRemi Warren9:26

       I- I just gotta keep it... I- My thing is, like, just keep moving it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Yeah.

   12. RWRemi Warren9:29

       Get that motion back, 'cause it's weird.

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Yeah. That's gotta be odd.

   14. RWRemi Warren9:33

       It is. Yeah, it's weird, and like, you know, no feeling in part of it, so it just, it's like that weird grip thing. You don't really realize it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       I hurt my wrist boxing when I was, like, 22, and then, when I was around 30, I got pr-... It was always nagging, and I got prolotherapy. You know what prolotherapy is?

   16. RWRemi Warren9:50

       No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       It, they, it's a, I guess whatever I've got is, like, some sort of a tendon issue, and they inject it. It's, like, a glucose solution that they inject directly into your tendons, and it inflames the tendons and actually makes them thicker and stronger.

   18. RWRemi Warren10:05

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       It's really painful while they're doing it, 'cause there are just multiple injections digging into that tendon and injecting it with this fluid that in-... I'm, I might be butchering, like, the actual mechanism behind doing it. I probably am. But, uh, it really worked. It, it had a big impact.

   20. RWRemi Warren10:22

       H- how often? D- just, like, one time? Or do you do, like, twice?

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       I did it twice. I believe I did it twice, in my wrist, but it never bothered me again. And, like, every now and then, it'll act up a little, like if I do too much boxing work and I don't tape my wrists up properly-

   22. RWRemi Warren10:33

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       ... but pretty impressive that they could figure out a way to strengthen ligaments by m- making them swell up.

   24. RWRemi Warren10:40

       That's really crazy.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Yeah, it inflames them, and then they actually-

   26. RWRemi Warren10:42

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       ... get thicker and stronger.

   28. RWRemi Warren10:44

       The things that they figure out, and you're like, "That's beyond my skills and abilities." (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:49

       Yeah.

   30. RWRemi Warren10:49

       I'll just stick to hunting.

4. 10:51 – 11:46

   Remi’s podcast reboot and “Live Wild” philosophy

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:51

      So, uh, first of all, I love your podcast.

   2. RWRemi Warren10:53

      Oh, thanks.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:53

      I loved the old one that now Jason Phelps stole from you.

   4. RWRemi Warren10:56

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:57

      (laughs) But the new one is great too. The new one is, uh, Live Wild.

   6. RWRemi Warren11:02

      Yup, Live Wild podcast.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:03

      Yeah. It's, how many subscribers did you lose in going from Closing the Distance to Live Wild?

   8. RWRemi Warren11:08

      Um, I don't know. Actually, I think we're back up, we're probably higher-

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:12

      Where you were?

   10. RWRemi Warren11:12

       ... than we were before then.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:12

       Oh, that's great.

   12. RWRemi Warren11:13

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       Oh, that's fucking awesome.

   14. RWRemi Warren11:14

       Yeah, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       That's good.

   16. RWRemi Warren11:15

       It's been, been really good.

   17. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       'Cause that's the big fear, right? When someone-

   18. RWRemi Warren11:18

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       ... leaves a network or something like that, and you leave one podcast, and you- you're, you essentially started from scratch.

   20. RWRemi Warren11:23

       Yeah, exactly. Just the same, it's like the same podcast, just kind of a new name, new place kind of thing. And, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       It's a good name, too, though.

   22. RWRemi Warren11:30

       Yeah, thanks.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:30

       Live Wild's better.

   24. RWRemi Warren11:31

       Yeah, it was one of the ones, like, I've kind of always used that as just kind of this philosophy that I live by of the, the things that I like to do. I like that wild feeling of, of being out there and doing something, uh, in the wild that seems (laughs) maybe things that other people aren't doing. So...

5. 11:46 – 17:14

   Pandemic era: hunting, food security, and renewed interest in self-sufficiency

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:46

      What was, uh, how fucked was the pandemic for you? Did you halt all activities or...

   2. RWRemi Warren11:52

      Uh, no, not really. Um, there was still a lot of, a lot of hunting stuff that was opened. Um, for the first part of it, it was actually all right. Like, my wife and I, we just, we kind of escaped to our little cabin-... and (laughs) nothing-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:05

      Just hung out?

   4. RWRemi Warren12:05

      ... was different. Yeah, you're-

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:06

      Right?

   6. RWRemi Warren12:06

      ... like, "Okay, cool. We're just doing our thing," and weren't around people anyways, so.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:10

      It's a good excuse to live wild.

   8. RWRemi Warren12:12

      It was.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:12

      Right?

   10. RWRemi Warren12:12

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       Just-

   12. RWRemi Warren12:13

       The, the thing that, um, for me especially is y- you know, we saw a pretty good, uh, like, increase in the number of people that were thinking about where their food comes from and how-

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:23

       Mm-hmm.

   14. RWRemi Warren12:24

       ... they could be more self-sufficient.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:25

       Yeah.

   16. RWRemi Warren12:26

       A- and maybe even a lot of people that maybe went hunting when they were a kid. And I, I got so many messages of people like, "Man, your podcast is really helping me because I haven't thought about hunting since I was a kid. I went out with my dad. Now, this pandemic, I've got a little bit of time, plus I'm worried about having, you know, food." My friends that don't hunt, I was th- their first... Like, you'd hear all that news, like, "Oh, meat shortage," this, that, and the other thing. They'd be like, "Hey, man, uh, I don't-"

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       (laughs)

   18. RWRemi Warren12:48

       "... know if you remember me, but..." It's like, "Yeah, I'll, I'll hook you up." We... and we got plenty of burger. We got plenty of stuff.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       Yeah, I had a lot of friends contact me because a lot of the guys that came to the podcast studio knew I had commercial freezers at the studio.

   20. RWRemi Warren13:00

       Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:01

       So guys came by. I hooked 'em up with sausages and roasts and, you know, it was f- it was cool.

   22. RWRemi Warren13:06

       Yeah, it's cool.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:06

       I like doing that though. It's nice.

   24. RWRemi Warren13:07

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:07

       I... Just send pictures when you cook it.

   26. RWRemi Warren13:09

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:09

       That's all I'd say.

   28. RWRemi Warren13:10

       Yeah. It's f- it's fun for me too 'cause you, like... It, it's a way for me to introduce people to what I really love.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       Yeah.

   30. RWRemi Warren13:16

       So they, they, like, try it 'cause I think through that food experience, people that don't hunt can understand hunting-
6. 17:14 – 19:58

   Fear-based headlines, “food shortages,” and the clickbait economy

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:14

      You know? Like, that's the one thing that people are saying that, like, as, uh, meat shortages and food shortages happen... I don't know why everyone's predicting all these goddamn food shortages. Kinda freaking me out.

   2. RWRemi Warren17:24

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:24

      'Cause I hear it about in the news constantly. "Look, b- b... Food shortages are coming. Food shortages are coming." Like, how? There's so much food.

   4. RWRemi Warren17:33

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:33

      What are we doing? What are we gonna do differently in six months than we're doing now that you're assuming there's gonna be food shortages?

   6. RWRemi Warren17:40

      Yeah, I don't know.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:41

      Yeah, I don't know either.

   8. RWRemi Warren17:43

      It's like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:43

      I think a few, few people could use a little less food in their life.

   10. RWRemi Warren17:46

       Yeah. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       So maybe there's that, but I don't know.

   12. RWRemi Warren17:51

       Yeah, I'm not sure. And then now, now there's all the conspiracies of all the factories burning down, and I'm like, (snores) I just need to turn that-

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:57

       I'm sure they were burning factories already. And then, I'm sure there was something going on. I mean, you know, it's like, how many factories are there? How many f- food processing factories are there? Are there thousands? Have we lost two? Like, what's going on?

   14. RWRemi Warren18:08

       Yeah, I'm not sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       What should I be scared of? It's like it just... There's so much money in keeping people scared. That's what's fucked because, like, when you look at the news online, like, the value of a, a clickbaity title, it's...... undeniable. Like, when you get a good title, like food shortages. Like, (gasps) "My children are gonna starve. Let me click." You're instantaneously drawn into it.

   16. RWRemi Warren18:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       And then they, they're rewarded, so they continue to publish more fear-mongering articles and more scary articles.

   18. RWRemi Warren18:39

       Yeah. And maybe some of those articles actually cause it as well.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       Maybe.

   20. RWRemi Warren18:43

       Like panic buying and all that kind of stuff.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:46

       I'm worried that I'm gonna ... that it's a cry wolf-type situation. I'm gonna ignore it, and then I'm gonna go-

   22. RWRemi Warren18:51

       Yeah. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       ... to the supermarket and there's no rice? How come you guys don't have any rice? There's no more rice. Like, where do you get rice? Is there another store that I can get rice or is there no more rice?

   24. RWRemi Warren18:59

       No more rice.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       What are we doing, you know?

   26. RWRemi Warren19:01

       That's why I feel like ... I think that whole reason is why people have turned to hunting and being a little-

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:08

       Oh, yeah.

   28. RWRemi Warren19:08

       ... bit self-sufficient. Because right now, if there was a food shortage, I'd be fine for quite a while.

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:13

       Yes.

   30. RWRemi Warren19:13

       I mean, I wouldn't have a variety of diet. And I'm not saying it would be mo- the most comfortable thing, but it's pretty much not a lot would change for me personally.
7. 19:58 – 23:29

   Life on the road: 200+ hunting days and international seasons (New Zealand & Argentina)

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:58

      Are you ... Uh, like how often are you traveling a year? At one point in time, I remember I talked to you, you said you were hunting about 250 days a year.

   2. RWRemi Warren20:05

      Yeah. I'd ... I mean, I don't know. I haven't really, like, broken it down. And the last couple years has been so random as well.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:11

      Right.

   4. RWRemi Warren20:12

      Um, but it's a lot of days. I spend a lot of days out there, whether it's, you know, hunting for myself, doing some filming stuff, um, guiding people. I still do that. I don't advertise it 'cause it's ... just we're so busy, whatever. Um, and then it's still probably, it's probably up there in the 200 range.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      And just is it mostly in this country? Or I know you do a lot of stuff in New Zealand too. Are you still doing that?

   6. RWRemi Warren20:39

      Yeah. Well, they've, they've been shut down. I'm, I'm going back as soon as they open up, but, um ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:42

      Are they open now or no?

   8. RWRemi Warren20:43

      No, not yet.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:44

      Still not? Wow.

   10. RWRemi Warren20:44

       They will be here pretty sh- pretty shortly.

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       It's interesting how different countries handle this-

   12. RWRemi Warren20:48

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       ... differently, isn't it?

   14. RWRemi Warren20:49

       Yeah. But I was actually down in, uh, Argentina not ... last month.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Oh, really?

   16. RWRemi Warren20:53

       Yeah. And, um, that was ... It was pretty cool. That was the first time I've been there 'cause I'd normally go to New Zealand during the, their fall, you know, southern hemisphere fall-

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       Mm-hmm.

   18. RWRemi Warren21:01

       ... where it's, uh, chasing red deer and s- ... they're rutting, so it's just like elk, but opposite seasons.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:06

       But they have a, like a roar?

   20. RWRemi Warren21:08

       Yeah, roaring.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       It's not a lion.

   22. RWRemi Warren21:09

       It sounds like a ... Yeah, it's like a, I- ... It's a mix between a beef cow and a lion. It's like a roar.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       See if you can find a stag roaring, audio of a stag roaring.

   24. RWRemi Warren21:19

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       A strange sound.

   26. RWRemi Warren21:20

       It is weird.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:21

       But like elk and, and stags, the b- both of them have the fucking coolest noises they make.

   28. RWRemi Warren21:27

       They do.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       It's ... Look how beautiful that thing is. (laughs) What a wild noise.

   30. RWRemi Warren21:47

       Yeah.
8. 23:29 – 28:05

   Introduced species and population control: New Zealand culls, predators, and ecosystem collapse

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      Interesting. Yeah. Are they, uh, native to Argentina or did they get brought over there?

   2. RWRemi Warren23:33

      No. Brought over, same as New Zealand. Like, it, it's ... They're one of those animals that's everybody left England and they were like, "We miss home and we want something to eat and chase or run around our estate," and so they just let them out.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:45

      What year did they do that?

   4. RWRemi Warren23:46

      I- in Argentina. It was like ... I can't even remember. 18-something in, in the 1800s.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:51

      So they probably did it on boats?

   6. RWRemi Warren23:53

      Yep. Oh, yeah, yeah, boats.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:53

      Brought them over on boats?

   8. RWRemi Warren23:54

      Boats.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:55

      Wow.

   10. RWRemi Warren23:55

       Probably trained.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       How did they even capture them back then?

   12. RWRemi Warren23:58

       Uh, they were ... You know, they'd have, like, their estates and they probably set up, like, a feed trap where they'd go in-

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Ah.

   14. RWRemi Warren24:02

       ... and they'd close the gates kind of thing.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:04

       And then they brought them over in boats?

   16. RWRemi Warren24:06

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:06

       Wow.

   18. RWRemi Warren24:06

       They put them on in crates, have somebody tend them. A lot of them ... Like, there's a lot of ... Uh, well, when they went to New Zealand, like, they would s- start out with 20 and then seven would make it or whatever it was.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:18

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   20. RWRemi Warren24:18

       And they'd just let them go and, and now there's giant populations running around random places around the world. Lots of different animals they've done that with.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:25

       ... yeah, New Zealand is a bizarre place-

   22. RWRemi Warren24:28

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:28

       ... in that regard, that there's so many animals that are n- non-native animals that have massive populations, that they, they, they even... Don't they do helicopter culls?

   24. RWRemi Warren24:38

       Yeah, they... Helicopter culls, they do, or they... Yeah, a lot of poisoning, like, they'll put-

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       Oh.

   26. RWRemi Warren24:43

       ... um, almost like poisoned grain.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:45

       Wow.

   28. RWRemi Warren24:46

       Just crazy stuff.

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       'Cause, 'cause there's so many of them, they have to control the population.

   30. RWRemi Warren24:48

       Yeah, 'cause there's no predators. It's... People don't realize how effective predators are. They eat a lot-
9. 28:05 – 33:44

   ‘Back to normal’ is impossible: habitat loss, wild horses, hogs, and agricultural reality

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:05

      Well, it's... That's just what happens. It's what happens when you don't manage properly, or if you manage with emotions and, you know, and the, the, the general perception of the public that's not informed, instead of using wildlife biology and science, and, you know, what they do in most sane places, where they regulate the animal population based on what they understand from the surveys.

   2. RWRemi Warren28:28

      Yeah. Yeah, I mean, i- it's one of those things when you've got this w- crazy ecosystem where it's, it's tightly managed, and people are like, "Well, just let nature take its course," and, like, we've already. We've completely screwed up nature.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:41

      Yeah.

   4. RWRemi Warren28:41

      The fact that you're living there, existing there, you think about, like, all these... The, the, the plant species that are in No- North America right now should never be here. Like, we can never get back to that equilibrium. We-

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:52

      Right.

   6. RWRemi Warren28:53

      ... we've fucked it up way too much. It's too far gone. It, it is like, it's this crazy idea of, like, it'd be nice, but it can't happen. You know, because if it... If that were to happen, there... You'd have to have, like, a mass eradication of so many animals. I mean, just to, like, be like, "Oh, let's get everything back to normal." Well, you'd have to kill off all the wild horses, and nobody (laughs) wants to do that, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:12

      (laughs) Right, how many wild horses? Yeah.

   8. RWRemi Warren29:13

      But you couldn't... You know, because those wild horses will make a lot of native species go extinct.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:18

      Right.

   10. RWRemi Warren29:18

       You know, they can out-compete. They can do things that other animals can't. They can survive certain predators and other situations. Like, they're just better at surviving, and they can take over a landscape. And so you're like, "Let's just put things back to normal." Well, you're gonna have to eradicate a lot of shit.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:32

       That's a really good example, wild horses, 'cause that is an emotional animal. People get so... They...

   12. RWRemi Warren29:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:37

       People who love horses, they love horses the way people love dogs.

   14. RWRemi Warren29:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       The idea of eating a horse or shooting a horse is, uh, infuriates people.

   16. RWRemi Warren29:45

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:46

       Like, I talked about, uh... I was in Montreal, and Canada has a different take on horses.

   18. RWRemi Warren29:51

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan29:51

       And, uh, we were at Joe Beef, th- The... So, have, have you ever been to, uh, Montreal? Joe Beef is an insanely good restaurant, one of my favorite in the world. And, uh, they served us horse. I was like, "Oh." Like, "I don't know how I feel about this."

   20. RWRemi Warren30:05

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       But it looked like a piece of elk. It was delicious.

   22. RWRemi Warren30:09

       Yeah, I've, I mean, I've had it in a couple... O- Outside of the US, obviously, and yeah, for the most part, you don't even know what it is-

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       Right.

   24. RWRemi Warren30:16

       ... till somebody tells you. I, I think it kind of tastes a little sweeter than beef or something, but it is-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Yeah.

   26. RWRemi Warren30:21

       ... pretty lean, too. So, yeah-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       It's very lean.

   28. RWRemi Warren30:23

       ... it's kind of more like elk meat, something like that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:25

       Yeah, some, some kind of game-type animal-

   30. RWRemi Warren30:27

       Yeah.
10. 33:44 – 55:32

    Conservation at scale: American Prairie Reserve and ‘habitat is the keystone’

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       You know about that thing they're doing in the, the, uh, the American Prairie Reserve? Do you know that, that thing-

    2. RWRemi Warren33:50

       No.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       ... they're doing in the middle of the country? They're, uh, trying to essentially replicate something similar to what it looked like before, uh, modern settlers or the, uh, European settlers, rather. American Prairie Reserve. So they're trying to buy up enormous swaths of land, far bigger than Yellowstone, fill it with buffalo and pronghorn and mule deer and all these different animals. And, uh, I think they're doing block management on this, too. So, they're, they're going to have areas where people can hunt. But these, these will be areas where there'll be no development, no cities, no, you know, no nothing.

    4. RWRemi Warren34:33

       That's actually pretty cool. So, I guess that maybe it does work. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan34:37

       In this area.

    6. RWRemi Warren34:37

       They could actually do it on a larger scale.

    7. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       Yeah, but I mean-

    8. RWRemi Warren34:39

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan34:39

       ... they, they just have a very, you know, like, sort of a defined area that they're trying to do this in there. "Although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished." But yeah, that's, uh, all across the country.

    10. RWRemi Warren34:54

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan34:54

        You know?

    12. RWRemi Warren34:54

        I mean, habitat restoration is the, the keystone of, like, a healthy environment, healthy animal populations.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:00

        Yeah.

    14. RWRemi Warren35:01

        Like all these conservation organizations, that's, that's the number one focus, is habitat. Because without it, you have nothing.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:06

        Yeah.

    16. RWRemi Warren35:06

        You know, you could have all the animals in the world, but if you don't have that habitat. Well, I mean, even here in Texas, right? There's species that are abounding here that don't actually exist really in the wild where they're from.

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:19

        Like oryx.

    18. RWRemi Warren35:20

        Yeah. And it's primarily because they just don't have the habitat for it anymore.

    19. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        Right.

    20. RWRemi Warren35:25

        Right? They just ... It's deforested, or well, uh, they're more of a plains animal. But wherever they used to live doesn't really exist like that anymore. So they could never ... Like, there could be a billion of them here, but it doesn't matter. You could keep throwing them out over there, throwing them out over there, and they'll never take hold because they don't have anywhere to go.

    21. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        Right. Yeah, that's a weird thing about Texas, is that there are animals that are endangered that you can hunt.

    22. RWRemi Warren35:47

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan35:47

        'Cause they're not endangered here.

    24. RWRemi Warren35:49

        Correct.

    25. JRJoe Rogan35:49

        Which is very ... Like, oryx are hard to find in their native habitat-

    26. RWRemi Warren35:53

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan35:53

        ... in their native range.

    28. RWRemi Warren35:54

        I guess the scimitar horned oryx.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:56

        Yeah.

    30. RWRemi Warren35:56

        Yeah.
11. 55:32 – 1:02:15

    Predator stories: close calls with bears, carcass disputes, and grizzly temperament

    1. JRJoe Rogan55:32

       Well, you've had, like, some pretty wild close encounters. On the last podcast, I think we talked about your, uh, encounter on a Fog Neck island with a gigantic bear.

    2. RWRemi Warren55:42

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan55:43

       Did that fuck your head up-

    4. RWRemi Warren55:45

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan55:45

       ... forever?

    6. RWRemi Warren55:46

       No. I-

    7. JRJoe Rogan55:46

       No?

    8. RWRemi Warren55:47

       People ask that and I, I think I even mentioned it last time is like, out of the s- if I, like, think about things that scared the shit out of me in my life, that's not, like, on the bottom of the list. I don't know why.

    9. JRJoe Rogan55:56

       What?

    10. RWRemi Warren55:56

        Yeah. It's a- I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's like you're con- I'm conditioned to... I, I know that I'm gonna experience those kind of things. And it's not the first time I've been charged by bears.

    11. JRJoe Rogan56:05

        Yeah. But that was-

    12. RWRemi Warren56:05

        And-

    13. JRJoe Rogan56:05

        ... so close though.

    14. RWRemi Warren56:06

        It, it was. But also, like, at the end of it and the other thing, I think that there's things that I've... I mean, I don't know. I've almost died a lot of times, so that was, like, not the scariest in many ways.

    15. JRJoe Rogan56:17

        I don't understand that.

    16. RWRemi Warren56:18

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan56:18

        The... But that thing ran through the camp, Dirtmouth rode its back-

    18. RWRemi Warren56:23

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        ... for, like, 10 or 15-

    20. RWRemi Warren56:24

        It-

    21. JRJoe Rogan56:24

        ... yards.

    22. RWRemi Warren56:25

        And that's, like, one of the... It is, it... crazy, but also I was just like... I don't know. I don't know why that... I don't know. I, I think that I've had, like, more close encounters with almost falling off cliffs and stuff that scare me more than that.

    23. JRJoe Rogan56:40

        That makes sense. That part makes sense.

    24. RWRemi Warren56:42

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:42

        But I, I feel like there's probably something about an animal attack or a close animal attack that triggers some sort of primal reaction-

    26. RWRemi Warren56:53

        Oh, for sure.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:53

        ... in a person that's paralyzing.

    28. RWRemi Warren56:56

        Yeah. I think the, the one thing is (laughs) I- I think in many ways, it's like you can't... You think about it all the time, like when you're out there. I don't know. I, I feel like I've been guiding people professionally in what would be bear country for almost my entire life.

    29. JRJoe Rogan57:12

        Yeah.

    30. RWRemi Warren57:12

        You... I en- I encounter bears constantly, whether it's brown bears, black bears, whatever. Um, I've actually had a black bear charge me twice this year or last year.
12. 1:02:15 – 1:10:18

    The scariest moment: a near-vertical New Zealand recovery that could’ve been fatal

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:15

       And that's not the scariest thing. What is the scariest thing that ever happened to you in the wild?

    2. RWRemi Warren1:02:20

       Huh. Man. Um, me, I would say, one of the scariest things, uh, I was in New Zealand, I was actually guiding at the time, and I, I took this lady. Um, she was... We were hunting chamois, and those mountains are, like, just straight up and down. And she was older, and she was doing this thing where she's trying to hunt everything, like, free range in the South Pacific. And I don't know at the time if any other woman had a- accomplished that. Like... And she was getting older now, and it was just kind of like one of those things, so I really wanted her to be able to get this animal. So, we were hunting, and we were... We got dropped off by helicopter, and then w- we were up there camping and stuff, and it was really foggy. And then the fog cl- cleared, and there's a chamois over on the cliffs. And so, I was waiting. I'm like, "Okay, in that cliff stuff, it's like, okay, you might be able to shoot something, but you also need to be able to recover it." And I was waiting, telling her, uh, "We got, we've gotta wait until we can get somewhere, and we can recover it." Okay. So, I'm looking, and I... It moves over to the right, and I think it's a perfect spot. It'll fall down the cliffs, and we'll be able to get to it and bring everything back. So, I tell her to shoot, and she shoots, and it falls, and like, lands ha- like, it's stuck halfway between this cliff.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

       Hmm.

    4. RWRemi Warren1:03:31

       It was, like, this piece of rock that I didn't realize. So I thought, "Ah, fuck. Well, I'll just climb up there and go get it." And so, I, I get down there, and the mountain's really, I mean, pretty much nearly vertical. Um, I wouldn't say it was, like, technical climbing, but it's very... You've got to have three, four points of contact, kind of thing.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

       Hmm.

    6. RWRemi Warren1:03:52

       And so, um, I start climbing up to it, and I didn't really think anything of it. I was just like, "Okay, I'm gonna get this chamois, and it'll be good." And the... It was really cold and kind of mossy, and my hands started to get cold, and my feet started to get cold, and I, I climb up to it, and it's like... What had happened was, this rock had pulled off the, the mountain, and then the chamois had fallen into here. So, I have to climb up above it, and then kind of, like, scale over.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:04:18

       Oh, geez.

    8. RWRemi Warren1:04:18

       And then, to get down to it, I have to, like, jump onto this little piece.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:04:23

       (sighs)

    10. RWRemi Warren1:04:23

        So, I, I'm like, "All right." So I, I jumped down to it, and I, I still haven't really thought anything of it. Like, I, I jumped to it, and I grab the chamois, and I, um, pitch it over the edge, 'cause I'm like, I... You know, I'm gonna go get it. And I pitch it over the edge, and watching it fall, like... You know, you throw something, and you're like, "Okay, it's gonna hit the ground."

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:04:40

        Uh-huh.

    12. RWRemi Warren1:04:40

        And it's falling and falling and falling. It took forever to hit the ground. And I realized how high up I was, (laughs) and how far down it was, and just, like, how probably out of my skillset I was, and I just, like, literally started shaking. It was like this... An instantaneous... Like, watching it fall for so long. All I could picture was me just falling. And I, I was... And I started thinking to myself. I was like... I actually just then realized. I was like, "I don't know if I can actually get out of here." Because I can't down climb what I came up. I'm not good enough to down... Down climbing's really difficult for people that are ex- like... And I had boots on. I mean, it wasn't like-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:05:19

        Oh, my God.

    14. RWRemi Warren1:05:19

        ... you've got climbing shoes and a solid surface, and all this stuff. And I was like, "Man, I just put myself in a really shitty situation." And it, it freaked me out. And actually, (laughs) so I thought... So I, I kind of like sat there for a little bit, and then regained my composure, and decided, "Well, I gotta climb up."

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:05:36

        Oh, my God.

    16. RWRemi Warren1:05:36

        Because I... That's the only way in. Just hope that I can find a way down, so I climb up to the top. And luckily, there was a route that I could get down, like, on the ridge, and actually hike down. But I didn't know that, right?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:05:47

        But you didn't even know how to get up to the top, right?

    18. RWRemi Warren1:05:49

        No.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:05:50

        You didn't have a path.

    20. RWRemi Warren1:05:51

        No. I just, like... Just had to climb up, because I knew that I couldn't climb down.

Episode duration: 2:37:48