Joe Rogan Experience #1813 - Tony Hinchcliffe

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:12 A- and we're up.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Phew. All day I've been trying to recover from yesterday, drinking with Stanhope.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:20 Oh yeah, he's a fun one to hang out with, huh?

Joe Rogan 0:23 (laughs) We did a podcast, like, right when he was coming out of the pandemic and I think I was probably sober or mostly sober during the podcast and it just didn't... it just felt off. It felt clunky and he felt like that too. So I'm like, this one, gonna make sure we do it right and I just got blasted with him. We just drank whiskey and got fucked up and talked for like... How long was it?

Narrator 0:47 Three and a half hours.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Three and a half hours.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:49 Wow.

Joe Rogan 0:49 And w- and couple of pee breaks and just obliterated. I don't remember half what we talked about.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:55 He's so fun.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:56 Last night was incredible.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Last night was insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 0:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Let's tell everybody... First of all, let's tell everybody, you're gonna be in Phoenix this weekend at Stand Up Live, um, which is an awesome club. Uh, and maybe I'll drop in on Friday 'cause I'm gonna be there for the UFC. Ooh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10 Beautiful. Let's have some fun.

Joe Rogan 1:12 We'll have some fun. Uh, the great and powerful William Montgomery will be there as well. Uh, and then, uh, last night we do a show at Vulcan and who goes on stage with us but motherfucking Roseanne Barr. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:26 Wow. What a clinic.

Joe Rogan 1:28 She hadn't been on stage in years.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:30 In-

Joe Rogan 1:30 In years.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:31 In a... And she killed just as hard as anybody. God, the-

Joe Rogan 1:34 What I n- ... Round of applause she got when she went up there. Look at that. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:36 Natural freak talent. Killing the whole time. Getting little tiny standing ovations throughout. Totally like the way she moved, the way she talked, her pacing, her timing felt so natural and conversational and just-

Joe Rogan 1:51 But she wasn't even planning on going up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:53 This is what's crazy. Like, she hadn't gone on stage in years and she did it and then afterwards she, she felt fucking great. She was hanging out in the green room, she was all fired up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:04 And she's like, "I wanna fucking move here." (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:06 Yeah. She's the best. She belongs here. She's the vibe.

Joe Rogan 2:10 Yeah. Well, her daughter lives here, so I think we got a real good shot at getting her here.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:15 I hope so.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Oh my god.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:16 She is... I mean...

Joe Rogan 2:19 Last night was special.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:20 It really was. It ha-

Joe Rogan 2:21 Doug Stanhope, Ron White, you, Hans Kim, Roseanne Barr and me.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:27 Yep.

Joe Rogan 2:28 What a fucking line up. What a fucking line up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:30 So fun. Hey, you wanna know something funny about this picture? You see that bottle that Stanhope has of mineral water? Well, there's cigarettes in there. You see that?

Joe Rogan 2:37 Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:38 A few minutes after this picture was taken, he took a huge gulp of that-

Joe Rogan 2:42 Ugh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:42 ... forgetting that it was, uh-

Joe Rogan 2:43 Ough.

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:43 ... an ashtray and he handled it so funny. He made sure everybody knew and he made face and like-

Joe Rogan 2:51 Dude. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 2:51 ... he, he really milked it like a real comedian. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:55 We found out yesterday that Stanhope had COVID and he never even knew. He goes, "I've been dealing with COVID-like symptoms for the last 30 years."

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:04 (laughs) That's 30 years of being hungover. 30 years of being hammered mostly every day.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:14 The rare breed. Do you know how many comedians fail because he drinks on stage? There's so many comedians that think they can drink on stage and do good-

Joe Rogan 3:23 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:23 ... because of him. Like-

Joe Rogan 3:24 Or they could be like him.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:26 Yeah. But they don't have a point.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:28 Like, he writes. The thing about Doug Stanhope is Doug Stanhope may be a guy who loves to drink. He i- well, uh, n- well, fuck maybe. He's, he, he's a guy who loves to drink.

Tony Hinchcliffe 3:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:37 But he also loves to write. He writes a lot. He's got a laptop, sits down with it, he makes notes, d- drinks coffee, smokes cigarettes, writes. He is dedicated to, to being a comic and a writer. He writes. And that's, uh, a lot of the guys that go on tour and try to emulate that thing, they leave out part of it. They leave out that part, you know. There's a... I've been into this audio book by Steven Pressfield, uh, The War of Art. I just finished it and now I'm on his, uh, other book that he has that's a similar sort of vein. It's called Turning Pro. But one of the things in Turning Pro, it's like talking about the things that people do to distract them from the work, and that one of the things they'll do is that a lot of people who, uh, w- they romanticize the lifestyle of being like a rock and roll star, right? Out on the road, but they're doing the drugs and, you know, they're, they're boozing and partying. That's like part of the lifestyle but what they're not doing is the writing. They're not doing the work. They're not being a pro. They're just distracting themselves with the nonsense aspects of it, the partying aspects of it. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:46 Not the getting better at the art form aspects of it.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 4:49 Stanhope has a good balance. He writes a lot. Like, he... you know, you see him and he's got points... There'll be something new about, you know, anything that's going on that's pertinent, that's in the news, he's got new bits.

Joe Rogan 5:01 Yeah. It, uh... That's... So what you're saying sort of reminds me of Dave Attell who, you know, I feel like amongst comedians is considered one of the best in the world right now. And-

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:12 Well, the best of all time.

Joe Rogan 5:13 Yeah. And, um, you know, he was the party guy forever.

Tony Hinchcliffe 5:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:19 Right? The insomniac, going out, up everywhere, and I remember... I mean, well first of all he's sober now but I remember when I got to, um, work at The Comedy Store when I started working there 15 years ago. I was also working to make extra money at a coffee shop right next to it and, um, I would work really, really, really early mornings, like the 6:00 AM to 11:00 AM shift because then I would go work phones at The Comedy Store all day and then at The Comedy Store at night, so I was just working all day. Anyway, there was a lot of times where I would be at The Comedy Store until 2:30 AM and Attell, if he was visiting from New York, would be there, you know, watching or going up or hanging out or both. And I...

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:03 I would work these shifts four hours later at Starbucks, and he would be there reading the newspaper with a notebook, like, literally grinding and grueling out the work. Not on his cell phone reading, like, absorbing actual paper, you know-

Joe Rogan 6:18 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 6:18 ... reading material and kicking out writing immediately, like a... like someone who's about to start, not like someone who's a 20, 30-year veteran of the game. And he takes it that seriously, and it shows continuously throughout his work. You know, everybody that is great i- is doing the work.

Joe Rogan 6:37 Yeah, there's no substitute. There's no substitute, and the- the universe rewards you. Like, life rewards you for the amount of effort you put into something. The amount of attention and focus you put into something will be- w- will be represented in how good you get at it. It doesn't mean that everybody starts from the same place. Some people have more natural talent. Some people have more natural insight. Some people are just funnier when they start. But it- it is really about the amount of time and focus you put in and how much better you get. There's a lot of people that have, like, maybe a natural personality for standup, but they're lazy, and they don't get much better because they don't write. And so, they kind of develop this sort of passable act and never really improve upon it because they don't spend the time doing it. Whereas someone who wasn't as good as them initially will be far better than them at the end.

Tony Hinchcliffe 7:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:26 It's just time. It's time and focus. I think that would apply to everything. I do- I think it would apply to fucking playing the guitar or writing books or whatever the fuck you're doing. It's time and effort, time and effort, and there's no substitute for those things, and thinking and being... you know, really thinking, like, being honest about what you're doing, you know, looking at it and going, "God, is this good? Like, let me look at this again. Let me look at this with fresh eyes. Let me go walk around the block and think about it," you know? That's part of it, too. One of the things that, uh, Pressfield talked about is also something that Stephen King would talk about is that he would write and then he would go for walks after the writing, which is, uh, very common amongst writers. They like to go for walks afterwards and review the notes in their head. And Pressfield would take a, a little recorder with him, but obviously you could use your phone and just use the voice memos and just talk into your phone and say, you know, "I have this thing about page five. I feel like this is off," or, "Chapter six is, you know, a little flat. Maybe- maybe this is a new solution."

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:23 Yeah, walking helps a lot, no doubt. It's one of those things that we would do in the writer's room, a bunch of sloppy, lazy, bum writers in- in the roast writer's room would... We'd- (laughs) we would have to take a break because it's... the blood just circulates around your head-

Joe Rogan 8:39 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:39 ... all day, and then after four or five hours, especially after lunch, you have to get the things rolling again. So yeah, it changes perspective and it... but most importantly, it just really gets the blood flowing.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Especially after lunch if you're eating bread.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Guys who eat sandwiches, like big sub sandwiches for lunch, they're useless after lunch.

Tony Hinchcliffe 8:57 It's so true. And I remember we used to literally order from a place called- I don't know if it still exists in LA, but it was called It's All About The Bread.

Joe Rogan 9:05 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:05 And it was the thickest-

Joe Rogan 9:06 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:07 ... 'cause it was Jeff Ross's show basically in his office. And we know- (laughs) like anybody that knows anything about Jeff knows he doesn't give a fuck about what he eats. Like, he-

Joe Rogan 9:15 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:16 ... he's always smashing food. He has the fastest metabolism out of anybody in the world.

Joe Rogan 9:20 How's that possible?

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:21 I don't know. But he-

Joe Rogan 9:22 But he's so big.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:24 He's big. That goes to show you how much he eats. I mean, the man is always snacking on something.

Joe Rogan 9:28 Really?

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:28 Yeah. He just burns it by whatever, thinking all the time or whatever is going on. But, uh... Oh, so there was just no- (laughs) there was no, like, "Let's eat something healthy today." Like, 'cause like- (laughs) he doesn't give a fuck. So, we used to order from this place, It's All About The Bread, and we would all crash so hard. We would have to drink-

Joe Rogan 9:47 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:47 ... seven cups of coffee to even come back from it. But it was like a drug. It's like doing, like, bread heroin or something-

Joe Rogan 9:53 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:53 ... in the afternoon time.

Joe Rogan 9:55 Yeah, sandwiches are the worst for that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 9:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:58 Like, a big sub sandwich, because you think about, like, when do you ever eat a piece of bread that big?

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 10:04 Never. And then a piece of bread that big stuffed with meat and cheese-

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:08 ... and fucking mayonnaise and shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:09 And this was, like, a baguette. I remember the exterior was hard. It was, like, very texture-

Joe Rogan 10:14 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:14 ... like, tough and tons of bread in between the starting point and that hard (laughs) outer shell.

Joe Rogan 10:19 (laughs) So, your body has to break all that down.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:22 It's just glue in your stomach just clogging up your brain. (gagging sounds)

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:29 But meanwhile, if Jeff eats something like that, he gets, like- he turns into, like, the Incredible Hulk for, like, 25 minutes after that. Like- (laughs) and everybody's just dying of laughter about anything, whatever happens. He's a special guy.

Joe Rogan 10:43 So, he's just-

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:44 ... gets excited about the food and that makes him happy and then he's funnier.

Tony Hinchcliffe 10:49 100%, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:50 Stanhope and I were talking about this yesterday, because Stanhope had no idea that he had COVID. I- we were talking about this. I- I remember in like the brief flashes that I can remember of our drunken conversation, I was like, "I wonder how much of a factor stress plays into people getting sick, 'cause how is he okay?" Stanhope s- chain smokes, drinks constantly.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:10 He's m- uh, basically my age, a couple of months older than me, and nothing's wrong with him, w- allegedly. Hasn't been to a doctor in years.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:19 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:20 Like, in forever. He goes, "Why would you go? They just fucking give you bad news." And he goes, "Just fucking live until it breaks." That's like his- his thought process. Just live until his body breaks.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:31 It was interesting, uh, watching him go face to face with Ron White last night. And the first thing that Ron said to him was, "Doug, I'm sorry. I couldn't- (laughs) I couldn't fight the fight anymore for us drunks." Like, it was... he was, like, apologizing to Doug for having to back out of the game. You know, Ron, after-

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 11:50 ... 50 years of daily tequila drinking, he's like, "Oh, I wish I could still be in the fight with you, my friend." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:55 (laughs) ... meanwhile, here's the thing, like, just like Dave Attell, Ron White is better than ever.

Tony Hinchcliffe 12:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Ron White is on fire right now. And I'd, I've never seen ... Like, he's always been a great comic, but I've never seen him better. And I think the same about Dave Attell. Dave Attell, when he stopped drinking, like I remember his boozing days, he was always great, but he's better now. He's better now. And it's, there's a thing where, like, people think that the booze is what helps them, it makes them loose and it makes them relaxed and ... Yeah, I'm, I mean, it could kind of help a little bit, it could get you loose. It can, it can, but not if it's a problem, not if it's an alcohol problem, not if, like, you need to drink all the time or you need to be drunk in a- for you to be able to go on stage. That's not ... None of those things are good. And the thing is about it, it wrecks your fucking body, man. It wrecks your body. It takes away all of your vitality, and so when it takes away your vitality, your energy to create is, like, uh, it's compromised. Your energy to just live life and to have inspired thoughts, you're fucking hurting all the time, which is even more impressive how Stanhope and Ron White were so good for all those years.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:05 Yeah, it sort of goes both ways. I feel like there's almost kind of an art, and we see this, right, with a lot of these guys, that I think there's almost something to the art of getting wasted and laying in bed the next day thinking about what's next. I'm not positive of what Chappelle's writing process is at all, but I have a feeling that he's thinking about stuff while recovering the next morning, 'cause when else would he do it? And by morning, I mean basically afternoon, right? 'Cause he goes hard in the paint. He has a lot of fun.

Joe Rogan 13:40 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:40 And, uh, you know, we see it on stage all the time. At The Comedy Store, he would, you know, just plow through bottles of Corona.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:47 Another Corona, another Corona-

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 13:49 ... another Corona, and he stays in the zone. He's hilarious. But the- obviously, he's not coming up with this stuff right off the top of his head in the moment. It- the magician always has his stuff set up.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:00 So, like, there's almost something to it, and I'd be interested to know, maybe you know what Doug's process is, but it seems like laying in bed that next morning with a hangover and being- thinking of something that really stands out to you might sort of be good for that art form. Because if it- if you- if you can make it funny then, if you could think about it then with a headache and your body's sore and you don't want to get out of bed, then it must be funny, right? Does that kind of make sense?

Joe Rogan 14:25 Kind of. Uh, what Doug does, one of the things that Doug does is his podcast. And Doug's podcast is basically ... I mean, occasionally he has guests on, but oftentimes, it's just him and his buddies, right? So they're all hanging around the house and they have, you know, they're at the fun house and they have the setup there, and it's basically Doug holding court talking about things-

Tony Hinchcliffe 14:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 14:48 ... in, in a similar vein to the way Bill Burr creates on his podcast, 'cause Bill Burr is one of the most prolific comics, and I'm pretty sure the way he writes is he thinks about stuff, he has things that piss him off, and then he goes on his podcast and rants about them. And in that ranting, the constant ranting, he creates these things that are like, "Oh, there's like a glimmer of light in that. There's like a beacon of hope in this bit. Let me turn that into, uh, an actual routine." And then he'll ... I've seen him on stage and I've seen stuff that I've listened to him talk about on his podcast he then brings to the stage and he refines it and he makes it better.

Tony Hinchcliffe 15:24 Yeah, he's incredible. I once made the, uh ... I once made an interesting, um, rookie mistake when I was, again, back when I was a door guy at the store. He, uh ... I had never spoken with him before really, and I had never said anything to him, and he said hi to me one night after he performed on stage, and it absolutely killed so hard. I can't remember what the news story was at the time, but something had just happened days earlier, and he was killing for 10 minutes about it. And he came up and he said hi as I'm on the stool on his way to his car in the parking lot, I'm working the back door, and since he said hi to me, I decided to engage and I said something like, "Hey, man, I just wanted to let you know, that was amazing up there. It's crazy how easily you could take something that just happened and, and kill with it like that." And he goes, "Easy." I'm like, "Yeah?" He goes, "There's nothing easy about that. I've been writing every day since that happened for the last three days. From 9:00 to 4:00 PM, I've been writing. So while you've been doing whatever you've been doing, like nothing is easy. There's nothing easy about it. I sat down and I wrote all that." Like, he, like, taught me, like, an amazing lesson.

Joe Rogan 16:38 Hmm. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:38 It was really cool. And I was just trying to give him this compliment, and instead he gave me, you know-

Joe Rogan 16:43 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 16:43 ... a really, really great insight on how that world works. And you see it with The Last Dance, you know, Jordan practicing all the time, staying after practice, arriving early to practice. It, there, it's a constant. The same with the Tiger Woods documentary. You find out, oh, oh, all he does is practice. All these people that do all these things, it's work.

Joe Rogan 17:04 Yeah. That's, um, also another book that I've finished again recently that I've reread is Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. Same thing. The putting in the time, like what makes someone exceptional, what's th- what makes someone stand out from anyone else. And one of the things he talked about is The Beatles and how often The Beatles would play when they were in Hamburg, that they would play eight hours a day.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 17:24 And they were constantly playing. They were constantly playing. So when they went back to Liverpool years later, they're like fucking phenomenally better.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Yeah, it's just time. Time and effort and, and inspiration and, and being fired up to do something. You know, we were talking about this yesterday, that one of the things that happened during the pandemic was a lot of people realized that comedy was almost taken away from everybody, 'cause it was for a little bit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 17:46 Yep.

Joe Rogan 17:46 There was no comedy for a little bit, and that, that time, it made you really sit and reflect that comedy's been a weekly part of our lives except for rare occasions, like, uh, r- rare occasions where you take a little bit of a time off, you know?

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:00 Mm-hmm.Yeah. Our friends, The Nether Hour, they totally started everything that they did together during the pandemic. Like, they didn't, they didn't, they had never even played together.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Really?

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Those guys?

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:12 And they're like, "You're a bass player. You're a..." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:14 No way.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:15 So it was totally formed-

Joe Rogan 18:16 That's crazy-

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:17 ... because those guys are so good together.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:19 Yeah. And they have all those original songs and they are w- you know, writing and performing all the time. But when you said that thing about the Beatles in Hamburg, it made me think of that, because they were like locked in together.

Joe Rogan 18:31 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:31 Every single day. And all they had were their instruments. So like, what else did they have to do? That was it.

Joe Rogan 18:38 That's where it's at, man. It's just getting obsessed with stuff. You know, we've been doing so many shows lately. Like, didn't you feel that way in Colorado, like after we had done like four shows on a weekend? Like, "We're getting locked in."

Tony Hinchcliffe 18:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:51 You know, because we're just doing so many sets. It's so much stage time and so many people, so many different crowds you're experiencing, you know. So we had did Sunday, we did Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we flew out to Colorado and did Friday and Saturday in Colorado. So it's just bang, bang, bang, bang.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:08 And you did Monday too, 'cause Kill Tony.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:11 So bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It's like, you know, we're so lucky, dude.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:16 Comedy's a fucking amazing thing. It really is an amazing thing.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:20 So much fun.

Joe Rogan 19:21 So this fucking Dave Chappelle thing's crazy. Uh, last night, I guess it was-

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:25 ... someone attacked him at the Hollywood Bowl. He's fine. I checked in with him today. He was laughing about it. He's, uh, in good spirits. He was... There, there's a video actually. He's, he was laughing like right afterwards.

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:38 'Cause Jamie Foxx apparently had a cowboy hat and he jumped on stage to help. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 19:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:43 Jamie Foxx with a cowboy hat jumped on stage to fuck that dude up. The guy was, uh, five foot... That, that arm's broken by the way.

Narrator 19:51 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 19:52 That, that arm's fucked. The, it is also like the way they led him into the, um, the... Like, when he got into the actual stretcher, you could see he is fucked.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:02 It's so funny. You can tell the type of beat up that somebody is when they're getting kicked on the ground (laughs) by different, from different angles by different people.

Joe Rogan 20:09 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:09 It's a different type of like beat up look.

Joe Rogan 20:13 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:14 You could tell that that left, that that left side of his face was the side that was either on the ground or totally like away from everything.

Joe Rogan 20:21 (laughs) On the other side was getting punched.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:22 Just everything's swollen on the one side.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Yeah. Yeah. He's fucked. That guy, he made... Jesus Christ.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:29 You could tell. You can always tell because the... Did you, you saw the actual video?

Joe Rogan 20:32 I saw the video. First of all, Dave Chappelle has good hips, 'cause-

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:36 ... he, the guy shoots in on him.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:37 Yeah, he almost sprawled on him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:39 And he kind of turned with him. He kind of kung-fu'd him.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:42 He gave him a little Aikido. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:44 Have you watched the video? As the guy's coming in, he's coming in this way and Dave kind of like turns a little.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:50 And it's balls too. Chappelle's a big boy. Bigger than you think he is.

Joe Rogan 20:54 Well, the guy's crazy, clearly.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 There's something wrong with him. Look at this.

Tony Hinchcliffe 20:59 And I mean, there's just no way to describe-

Joe Rogan 21:01 Look at those hips.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:02 ... how not expecting that you are when you're on stage.

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah. Look at, he just runs away.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:08 And then the comedian clicks in and he comes back-

Joe Rogan 21:10 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:10 ...'cause he's like, "Wait, I have to, to mind Mike right now."

Joe Rogan 21:13 Look at this guy running. Oh my God. That guy's never tackled anybody in his life.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:18 Uh-uh. No. Chappelle almost, almost makes it clear out all the way.

Joe Rogan 21:22 Yeah, almost. If he just had a little training. See, that was all an instinct.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:26 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:27 If he just had a little training. Imagine if he just punted that dude in the head when he went down.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:31 Yeah. One of those Masvidal knees. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:33 There is no security in the front row at this thing. Like, there should have been someone there that was, uh, scanning the audience for fucking weirdos that were ready to sprint.

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:44 Crazy.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Well, we live in strange times, man. I mean, and after the Chris Rock thing, that was one of the things I was worried about. I was like, are people thinking they're gonna start smacking comedians now 'cause they don't like what they're saying?

Tony Hinchcliffe 21:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:55 And what I'm thinking, or what I'm worried about is that, you know, people think that's justified. Like, people keep s- they keep using the same things. I w- I saw an article, they said his transphobic statements. They're not, they're not fucking statements. They're jokes. They're not jokes that are transphobic either. They're jokes that feature trans people. They're not transphobic jokes. His whole b- bit in that last special that everybody was mad at is essentially a love letter to his friend that killed herself 'cause she was supporting him and she got attacked on stage. The idea that that in somehow or another is transphobic, just because he's talking about a trans person is fucking crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 22:38 It's... And then they just don't want to be talked about. That's what, essentially what it is. Like, they're saying it's transphobic if you're even mentioning trans people as a subject, which is bonkers.

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:50 Yeah, because it's really the opposite, right? That that means that they're equal.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 22:54 If you're being included in an American free conversation and ob- obviously a comedy set, like, that means that you're part of the everything else. You're now...

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah. I mean, y- we all... Uh, of course. Everything's part of the everything else. But it's like, if there's p- stuff that you cannot discuss at all because it's so hot the subject can't be brought up... Well, this is... We... This is a nonsense way of communicating. You can't communicate like that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:22 You can't say people can't discuss topics.

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:25 Or discuss something that is prominent in culture right now. I mean, there's a lot of discussions-

Tony Hinchcliffe 23:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:32 ... about trans rights and about use of bathrooms and about, uh, uh, y- you know, trans kids. And the White House talks about it. And Jen Psaki was doing an interview and she was crying about it, sort of misrepresenting what the don't say qu- supposedly don't say gay bill in Florida, which isn't do- don't say gay. You know, this is, uh... It's a weird time because we, we have to be able to look through the fog, the fog of the anger that we have for the opposite or the anger we have for the opponent. Because the way that the Democrats and the way that Republicans look at it today is...... there's us and there's them, and it's so polarized that anytime something comes up, anything, like we'll, these, these subjects, like, you wanna find out what side is on what side of the issue. Like, is, is my side on this is okay, or is my side on this is a, a bad thing? And that's a lot of what happens with these subjects. Instead of just being able to look at things and just honestly discuss things, things get fit into this polarized lens. Like, somehow or another, Biden was talking about that today. He was talking about, um, he was talking about the, uh, Roe versus Wade thing, and he's, he said something like, "What's next? Uh, are we gonna stop LBGTQ kids from going to classes with regular kids?" And then he said, "This MAGA group is the most extreme political group in US history." So, think, look at the way he connected those. Like, see if you can find that video. I believe I can send it to you if you don't, if you can't find it. You got it?

Tony Hinchcliffe 25:18 There it is.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Okay. But let me see if it says the whole thing he says about LBGTQ kids first, 'cause that's what he says first. I can send it to you, Jamie, how about?

Narrator 25:28 Yeah, he has it.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Okay, let me hear it, hear it. Here it goes.

Narrator 25:32 ... uh, state ch- changed the law saying that, that, that children who are LGBTQ can't be in classrooms with other children. Is that l- is that legit under the way the, the decision's written? What are the next things that are gonna be attacked? Because this MAGA crowd is really the most extreme political ex- organization that's existed in American history.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Okay. No, that is-

Narrator 25:57 Racists are gonna be attacked. ............................

Joe Rogan 25:58 ... that's a crazy connection.

Tony Hinchcliffe 26:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 What he just did is a crazy connection. He went from Roe versus Wade, which I don't know what's happening with that. I don't know if that's real, that supposedly something was leaked that said they're gonna overturn Roe versus Wade. I don't, you know, I, I don't think that's been substantiated. Has that been substantiated?

Narrator 26:19 Uh, I believe it's still, uh, yeah, it was leaked, and I don't think-

Joe Rogan 26:23 It's not substantiated though, right? It's not like-

Narrator 26:24 As far as like an official decision, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 26:26 Right. So, so you have something that has to do with abortion rights, so it's women's rights. And then how does he connect that to MAGA? Like, how does that, like the, look at that way he did that. Like, saying that you cannot have an abortion o- or abortion's not a federally, federally protected thing under Roe versus Wade anymore, going from that to saying what if they decide to keep LBGTQ kids out of classes to this MAGA crowd's the most extreme political organization in American history. Like, what? How did you get there?

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 27:01 How did you get to MAGA?

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:02 Yeah, 'cause that, that's the slogan of his opponent.

Joe Rogan 27:05 I guarantee you, there's some never-Trump Republicans that are pro-life. I guarantee you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:10 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:10 There's people that don't like the way Trump behaves and talks, and they, they don't think that he's a God-fearing Christian, and there's a lot of those folks out there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:17 Ton of 'em.

Joe Rogan 27:17 There's a lot of those fol-... This, this idea that everybody falls into this, uh, y- like, it's all the MAGA, it's all the s-... Like, if you have any Republican viewpoints or if you have a, any conservative viewpoints, that's a sneaky way of, uh, connecting any conservative viewpoints with Trump, which is like, you know, half the people are gonna hate it. I- i- if you can convince half the people that any idea is a Trump idea, they will immediately ha- hate it. Half the people, right?

Tony Hinchcliffe 27:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 27:47 If they're not paying attention, they're just reading headlines, half the people will, like, categorize that, "That's a Trump idea. That's a MAGA thing." It's kind of an amazing way to dismiss things now. You know, because it used to be people could be conservative. They could be like William F. Buckley and they could have c- conservative debates on television with Gore Vidal and people would think it was normal. There's a conservative, there's a liberal, they're discussing issues. It's cool to, I may be, see me, w- what resonates with me more. Not anymore, baby. Not anymore, because now, because of this whole Trump thing and the MAGA thing, they have... It's not just conservative versus liberal. It's like you can put it into this cult of personality, this Trump box, and then you get a 50% return rate on your investment (laughs) .

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:28 Half the people are gonna be like, "This is, fuck that, that's a Trump thing. That's a MAGA thing."

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:35 Yeah, it's super weird. It's k- it's crazy. And I think that he may have said that because maybe he's, you know, preemptively and always, I think he's always going to have to worry about the next election.

Joe Rogan 28:47 I think he's, I think he's having a hard time keeping sentences.

Tony Hinchcliffe 28:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:51 I think he's having a hard time keeping thoughts straight in his head. And this is, um... You f- if you, you know, forget about m- what my feelings are about them putting this guy into p- the position that he's in, which I think was insane. I was saying it was insane a couple years ago. He's a lot worse now. But the thing that gets me is that this is, it's, this is just a guy, is, a human being, and we're watching a human being's wiring not work right anymore. We're watching bulbs fade out. And, um, I think he's having a real hard time putting sentences together. Just as a human to, you know, like watching him, I feel bad for the guy because I feel, I feel like imagine being in that position and he... This is his moment in the sun. The lights are on. The preparation's been done, all the fucking rehearsals for this, the, the cue cards are written, he's ready to give the speech, and he's just...... barely keeping it together.

Tony Hinchcliffe 29:40 And not only does he never improvise and never go off the script or never, you know, tweet a su- a crazy feeling that he has about something or anything instinctual that's actually him. I mean, we can feel that. Anybody can notice that. But they're using, like, all these little tricks. I thought to myself the other day, 'cause I was watching one where he just got out of the helicopter-

Joe Rogan 30:02 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:02 ... and they're doing ... It's chaos behind him. Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. Right?

Joe Rogan 30:05 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:06 You know how they do these? Why do they do that? It's-

Joe Rogan 30:08 So the reporters can't yell questions.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:09 That ... So that if he-

Joe Rogan 30:11 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:11 No, I'm serious. They say, "Well, if he can't hear, then he really can't hear. If he's ... seems overwhelmed, it's because of the sound of the chopper." But I'm like, that's how he is in a quiet room on a fake set behind a podium-

Joe Rogan 30:24 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:24 ... struggling to answer this, that. But w- they do that a lot.

Joe Rogan 30:28 But they always did that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:28 Right on the runway, I know-

Joe Rogan 30:29 They did it with Trump too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:30 I ... Yeah. But I think it's, I think it's a little tricky. I think that's what they do when they wanna give someone, like, a little bit of an escape, a little bit of a excuse.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Well, for the longest time, he would just walk away, remember?

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:42 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Like, they would just ask him questions, he's like, "Err." And then, he would ... There was no press conferences. And I feel bad for that Jen Psaki lady. And, you know, everybody says, like, she's shrill and, you know, the way she communicates, but f- whatever. Imagine having that job.

Tony Hinchcliffe 30:56 Oof.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Fuck that job. 'Cause she has to debate with people more than the president does. She has to go back and forth with the press. And sometimes she says things in confidence, but, like, just like being on a fucking podcast, sometimes you say things and you think it's true while you're saying it. It turns out it's not. And you represent the President of the United States, and no one's fact-checking you in real time, and it's all happening live on television. Yikes, fuck that job. Everybody who gets it hates it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:22 The only one who was good at it was that, uh, the lady, the last lady with Trump. What's her name? Kylie McEnany?

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:28 Oh, yeah. She was great.

Joe Rogan 31:28 How do you say her name?

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:29 Kayleigh.

Joe Rogan 31:30 Kayleigh McEnany. She's the best.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:32 She's the GOAT at that shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:34 'Cause, uh, she would have fucking receipts. She had, like, tabs on her notebook she would pull right to, like, when she knew-

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:39 ... they were coming with a gotcha.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:41 "Actually, if you would have done your research-"

Joe Rogan 31:43 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:43 "... before asking that question, you would know."

Joe Rogan 31:45 She took large-

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:47 ... dumps on Jim Acosta's head.

Tony Hinchcliffe 31:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:49 Uh. Just (laughs) , like, "Get out of here." It's a, it's a funny sort of arena, that press and press secretary. It's like someone's speaking for the president, and supposedly these reporters are speaking for the people. It's wild. It's wild that that's how we figure out, you know, w- what's getting, what's getting done and what's happening. You have to talk to the press secretary. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:15 Such an old-school system for-

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:17 ... something.

Joe Rogan 32:18 But it's all this gotcha shit. You know, the whole thing is gotcha.

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:21 The press wants to get her and, and make her look stupid. And, you know, and she wants to show them that she's the girlboss, and, "I have all the facts, and here they are." You know? "We're gonna circle ..." She doesn't even circle back anymore. Do you notice that? She stopped circling back. Have you noticed?

Narrator 32:38 No, but-

Joe Rogan 32:39 Some- I read something about it.

Narrator 32:40 It's funny to hear. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 I read something about it, uh, uh, I forget, maybe it was an article or something, and, uh, they said something about Jen Ser- Psaki not circling back anymore.

Narrator 32:49 The c-

Joe Rogan 32:49 And I said, "Oh, yeah, that was her thing. Like, circle back."

Narrator 32:52 "Let's just say, like, we'll circle back on that," and she just-

Joe Rogan 32:54 She used to say-

Narrator 32:55 ... never did.

Joe Rogan 32:55 She doesn't say that anymore. And a- I think 'cause people started making fun of it, and then also, B, because she doesn't want to circle back, 'cause she would already circle back on those other things, 'cause there was a lot of things she was supposed to circle back on. She probably has a fucking to-do list, it's a mile long.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:09 "Look at all the circle back stuff I have to get to." (laughs) How long has she been circling back before she was in the mainstream media? 'Cause that's when she couldn't-

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:16 ... circle back anymore. (laughs) What-

Narrator 33:18 It ... I just Googled it. It ... There's, like, enough stuff that it's a thing on Etsy, you can buy circle back merchandise.

Joe Rogan 33:24 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:25 Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 33:26 Oh, my God, I need one.

Narrator 33:28 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 33:28 Oh, they got circle back Trump 2024.

Narrator 33:31 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 33:32 Super Psaki. These are, these are great.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:35 Gotta give her credit for breaking that glass ceiling. They normally don't give redheads a position like that. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 33:41 Is it s- Is it a gr- glass ceiling if it's for redheads?

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:44 I don't know. Is it?

Joe Rogan 33:45 But redheaded girls do not have the stigma that redheaded guys do.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:48 That's true.

Joe Rogan 33:49 Redheaded guys struggle, unless they're Canelo. That's a good-looking redhead.

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:52 That's a great point. But he became Canelo because he's a redhead. You know, the-

Joe Rogan 33:56 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 33:57 ... Mexican kids picking on him all day.

Joe Rogan 33:59 (laughs) A white, redheaded Mexican kid.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:00 La Rose.

Joe Rogan 34:02 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:03 Hey, though, Louis C.K.'s Mexican.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:06 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:07 Did you know that?

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:07 Yeah. Yeah. Louis C.K. was actually born in Mexico.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:11 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:11 He's actually more Mexican than Carlos Mencia is.

Joe Rogan 34:13 He talks about that in a special-

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:14 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 34:15 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:16 His most recent one?

Joe Rogan 34:17 No, no, no. It was, like, two specials ago.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Two or three specials ago. He ta- I think he did. I know he's talked about it on stage before. He's definitely said it before, 'cause he was actually born in Mexico.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 34:29 Yeah. That's what we should all be paying attention to, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. And this is not saying from a, from a person who's a xenophobic. I'm not, uh, worried about Mexican immigrants. I'm worried about Mexican cartels. I'm worried about the people that stay in Mexico. (laughs) Like, Mexico is crazy right now. I pay attention to quite a few news pages that are covering the cartel wars. And it's wild, man. It's wild. There's all kinds of shootings down there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 34:57 Oh, yeah. Uh-

Joe Rogan 34:57 There's shootings in Mexico all the time now, and there's basically gigantic, multi-billion dollar drug rings, and they're going to war with each other. And there's a lot of them, folks, because there's a giant market for fentanyl and cocaine and marijuana and everything else that's illegal in the United States that comes up from Mexico. And because of our drug laws, this is what finances these organized crime gr- gangs. And now they've gotten so big and they're ruthless. They don't have laws that they have to uphold. It's not like, you know, being a part of Raytheon or being a part of fucking, you know, some other American corporation. This is, this is a gang that has billions of dollars. It's a fucking drug gang that has billions of dollars. And-... who knows how many sneaky connections with corrupt officials that allow it to exist? Who knows how many people are profiting so that this stuff gets into America and keeps being distributed to America? And it's right there, and n- nobody's talking about it. All anybody talks about is the poor people that are trying to sneak across for a better life, and how horrible it is that some people don't want them to come across, and how compassionate these people that want to help them are. That's the, that's what the main focus is on. But there's also, like, terrorists sneaking in. They've caught terrorists.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:20 Yeah. I mean, that's how they're... That-

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:22 Oh, yeah. They're coming right up.

Joe Rogan 36:23 It's a great way to do it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 36:24 Yeah, totally. I was in Miami last weekend or two weeks ago and hung out with my really good friend who I've known for years and years. He's Cuban. And, uh, he's like, "Hey, uh, come over Saturday. Bring the whole crew." And I did. I, uh, we all went, me, William. We, uh... His mom made us this amazing Cuban dinner at this amazing house that they've had forever in Florida for... It's been in their family for three decades or whatever. And it's just the coolest, most homestyle meal, and they have a, they have a couple cousins who just came from Cuba, um, there. And we're talking with them and, and the- the rest of the family, mom and the- and my friend are sort of semi-translating things that they don't get in between because we're talking about it, and, uh, they said that they had to go through five countries. So they had to whatever over to... What is it considered? South America, right? What's below...

Joe Rogan 37:33 Well, uh, uh, Cuba's not connected to anything, so it depends on what direction.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:35 Right. No, not Cuba. They, they had to go due, uh, west and come up that way, and they said they had to go through five countries. So what's south of Mexico? Brazil, right? Where are we?

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah, yeah. So they came through Mexico. Is that what you're saying? I thought you were saying Cuba.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:52 They're from Cuba.

Joe Rogan 37:53 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:54 But to get to America-

Joe Rogan 37:55 They came through Mexico.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:56 They had to go through Mexico.

Joe Rogan 37:57 I'm sorry, I spaced out.

Tony Hinchcliffe 37:57 But to get to Mexico, they had to go through blank, through blank-

Joe Rogan 38:01 Oh, right, right, right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:01 ... blank, blank, blank. They had to start all the way down there.

Joe Rogan 38:04 There it is. That, you know, that's what that whole convoy was. You remember that, that giant... What, what'd they call it? They didn't call it a convoy. What'd they call it when the people were coming up from Mexico? They were f- watching them come.

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:15 Caravan?

Joe Rogan 38:16 Caravan?

Narrator 38:17 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:17 So show that again, that map, please. When you look at that, these people were coming up. See where Mexico is? People were coming up from Guatemala, from Honduras. They were, they were getting all these people and they were walking all the way up into Mexico. Now, how do you think something like that happens? How do you think you get all these families, and, you know, kids and parents and everyone all together to just start walking up there? If we all walk, we're going to make it. Like, how does that work?

Tony Hinchcliffe 38:47 I, I can't even begin to fathom.

Joe Rogan 38:49 Who, who puts that together? Is that organizers? Is there like a, a clandestine purpose for something like that? Is there someone pulling the strings behind that going, "Listen, we're going to organize and we're going to get all these people and just bum rush the fence. We're gonna talk them into it. We're gonna, like, give them food and water and take care of them along the way. And they're- We're gonna make a lot of press available to this. So they're going to come in and take photos and videos. We'll get it all up on the internet and get it all up on YouTube and in the news, and then people will know." I mean, how, it can't... How would these people know each other in different countries? Are they talking online? They all getting together on Reddit and they're trying to figure out where to meet? What are they doing?

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:31 How is this happening? Who organizes that? Like how... And where'd it go? Just stopped.

Tony Hinchcliffe 39:37 One of the things that I found extra interesting was the fact that they had to pay. There's a certain, there's like a ticket fee for America. Basically, once they stop you at the thing... What I found out from hanging out with this family, this Cuban family in, um, Miami was that it's, there's, it's a ticket. It's like 15,000. I'm like, so what makes the dif- Is... You have to... So basically you have to have a family member, someone like that you can call that's here, like the cousin in Miami, and say, "Yes, that is my cousin. I will take care of them. I'll give them a start. They can st- I have an extra bedroom they can stay in." "Okay, you can pay the 15,000 to get them over the other end."

Joe Rogan 40:19 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:20 So really, that's the price that America is saying, "This is the ticket."

Joe Rogan 40:27 Did you say 15,000?

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:28 I'm pretty sure it's 15.

Joe Rogan 40:30 That's a lot.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:32 If you get hit with that... Can you get hit with it more than once?

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:35 Yeah, they had to pay 30 because they have two cousins.

Joe Rogan 40:37 Oh, Jesus.

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:38 Right. So it happens quick. It adds up.

Joe Rogan 40:40 So what if, what if you get busted a second time? Like, is this... Once you're over here and you pay that fee, now you have to worry about being deported, right? How often do people get deported? Let's find that out. How many people get deported? Let's just guess. How many people get deported from the United States every day?

Tony Hinchcliffe 40:58 Every day?

Joe Rogan 40:59 Let's guess.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:02 I would say a thousand a day.

Joe Rogan 41:04 A thousand a day?

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:05 It might be high.

Joe Rogan 41:06 That might be high. I'ma say, I'm gonna say 500 a day. But how many people come in every day, illegally?

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:17 I'd say 1,001. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:20 (laughs) I'd say it's more than a thousand.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:22 No.

Joe Rogan 41:22 I'd say it's more than a thousand a day.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:23 Oh yeah, uh, coming in per day has to be, has to be at least 2,000.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Yeah, I think that's probably about right. But how do they know? Because if they know, if they can count them, they should catch them. (laughs) Like if you (laughs) , if you're just counting them as they run across the border, like, hey, that's not helping. You have a bad system.

Tony Hinchcliffe 41:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:47 It's like, how do you, how do you, uh...... it's-

Narrator 41:50 How do they do that?

Joe Rogan 41:51 I don't know. But it's very strange that we're connected with a country that's so completely different. I mean, you just walk a certain amount of minutes from San Diego, and everyone's in a different country.

Narrator 42:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Speaking Spanish, everything's different. ICE deportations fell in April to lowest monthly level on record, enforcement data shows.

Narrator 42:16 It was a year ago.

Joe Rogan 42:17 A year ago. What did it say?

Narrator 42:19 S- it was, uh, just under 3,000 people for the month.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Oh, 3,000 deportations.

Narrator 42:25 That's less than 100 a day. For the whole month.

Joe Rogan 42:26 Yeah. But that's still. 3,000 deportations, that's a lot. What did-

Narrator 42:34 Guys-

Joe Rogan 42:34 ... what were we thinking, a day? We were thinking a thousand a day, is that what you-

Narrator 42:38 It was 3.2 million during Obama's-

Joe Rogan 42:41 A day?

Narrator 42:42 ... eight- ... No, no.

Joe Rogan 42:42 A month?

Narrator 42:43 Three eight years.

Joe Rogan 42:44 Oh. Eight years.

Narrator 42:45 That's why I was gonna start doing the math now that I found this.

Joe Rogan 42:47 Oh, so it went way up. So, it went way up.

Narrator 42:50 Um, where did I find this?

Joe Rogan 42:53 During his entire administration? So, for eight years it was three million?

Narrator 42:56 See, this says, this data says, uh, about 2 million were deported between 2009 and '16 during the presidency of ... This, uh, this is a very bad sentence. (clears throat) Bush, about 2 million people were deported, while between 2009 and 2016. So, it's written bad.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Okay. And so now ... What did you say it was? It was 2,900 a month?

Narrator 43:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 So, I guess-

Narrator 43:22 So, it's 36,000 a year.

Joe Rogan 43:25 Yeah.

Narrator 43:28 Be a quarter million for eight years?

Joe Rogan 43:30 Yeah.

Narrator 43:30 That's way under. That's like 10%.

Joe Rogan 43:32 It's way under. So, I guess I'm confused. And also, what does it d- I mean, how accurate is this?

Narrator 43:39 That's what I, that was gonna ask you when you were getting into it is like, what for ... What reasons? Who like deported to where?

Joe Rogan 43:45 Right.

Narrator 43:45 On a pl- plane or-

Joe Rogan 43:47 Right. And like, what I was gonna say is like, is this, um, is it lower because of the pandemic?

Narrator 43:53 That's what I thought that was gonna say, but it was ... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 43:56 Because clearly ... Well, during the pandemic is also when there was the whole, um, the, uh, scandal about the, the whole people at the border in cages and shit, and all that weirdness. Do you remember the Mike Pence one? That one always weirded me out, man. Mike Pence is down at the border and all those folks that were immigrants are in cages, and he's walking around, and he's like not making eye contact with them. And it looks, it looks very strange.

Narrator 44:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:24 See if you can find that. It- it- it struck me as very strange, because it didn't, it didn't strike me. And I don't know what his-

Narrator 44:31 Well, what did he say?

Joe Rogan 44:33 I don't know what his, uh, mindset was. Watch this, like take a look at this.

Narrator 44:42 We get three tacos a day.

Joe Rogan 44:45 He said, "We get three tacos a day." So, look, look at Pence.

Narrator 44:49 Oh, he's looking at the lighting.

Joe Rogan 44:50 Yeah. Look, he's looking like above these people's heads. He's not looking at them at all. He's just like scanning them as a group and he's got his arms crossed, and he's having a conversation with this cop. Said, "You don't have the space. We have watch towers up here. The watch tower is so close to pick anyone that gets rowdy so we can pull them out quickly." So, they have watch towers and they have these people like, how many dozens in there fenced into a cage, and Pence isn't even looking at them. Look at him, he's got his back turned to it.

Narrator 45:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 45:23 That's weird, man. Isn't that weird? Like, wouldn't you be ... You would be, first of all, maybe he feels disrespectful staring at those people 'cause it is kinda fucked that they can't get out and you're staring at them. It's kinda weird. It's probably got weird energy. But as a human being who's seeing these other human beings that have been captured, wouldn't you feel empathy? Wouldn't you feel like, wow, this is a fucked up situation. Like, what, you know, what are these guys running from that it's worth getting arrested here? Like, what is life like for them? You know, what are they escaping that's so much worse than this that they're willing to take this chance? And we're ... Our standards and our understanding of like what life should be is so elevated in America that if you, if you look at some of the poorest places in Mexico, they're fucking right there, man. They're not far at all.

Narrator 46:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Just outside of Tijuana some incredibly poor areas. And you think like, if you know you are stuck there and you're not gonna ever get out and this is just gonna be your life forever, you'll take some wild ass chances. But for a guy like Mike Pence, like that's not, that's not a neighborhood that exists in his mind. You know what I mean? That's not like a place that he can go to. Like, "Oh yeah, I remember when I was a kid and we had a dirt floor and, uh, we would try to catch wild chickens 'cause we had no food for dinner, and we were thinking about how to sneak over into America some day." That's what's going on to these people. And there's fucking thousands of them coming across every day. Oh, that was the other thing. How many, um, illegal immigrants do they estimate come into America each day?

Narrator 46:53 Oh, that's a good question.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Because a lot of ... The Republicans talk about ... It's weird. Republicans talk about it a lot, and Democrats wanna pretend it's no big deal.

Narrator 46:59 I think the same article was saying that there is, uh, 50,000 detained in, on any given day. So, I don't know how it's-

Joe Rogan 47:06 Whoa.

Narrator 47:06 ... goes up and down and it stays at 50.

Joe Rogan 47:08 50,000 a day.

Narrator 47:10 Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 47:11 50,000 detained.

Narrator 47:13 Not like added to-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Oh, not like arrested.

Narrator 47:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:14 Oh, I see. Oh, I see.

Narrator 47:15 And, and, and incarcerated. Right, right, right.

Joe Rogan 47:17 In- currently incarcerated, 50,000-

Narrator 47:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:19 ... per day. How many new ones are coming in do you think? How many people do they keep in those cages? What do they do when the cages gets full? "Guess what? It's your lucky day, Tony. We can only keep 50,000 in this cage. So, you are 50,001, so we're gonna give you a bus ticket to Taco- Tacoma."

Narrator 47:35 Here is from CNN, uh, a year ago.

Joe Rogan 47:36 "Go to Washington State." Nearly 6,000 undocumented immigrants apprehended daily at US-Mexican border in April. Holy shit. 6,000 a day. That's, that's bigger than the crowd that we had in Colorado-

Narrator 47:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:53 ... for each show a day.

Narrator 47:55 Damn.

Joe Rogan 47:56 That many people.

Narrator 47:58 Oh, my goodness.

Joe Rogan 47:59 That's wild, dude. That's a lotta people. (sighs)

Narrator 48:04 Crazy times.

Joe Rogan 48:05 That's a good way to look at it, right? Because we've done 6,000 seat, uh, arenas and theaters, and you can see it in your head what 6,000 looks like. You know? Fuck, man. But of course they are. Of course they're doing that. Anybody that doesn't think they should be doing that, you don't live there. If you lived there, you would think you should be doing that. 100%. Recently, an average of around 1,500 people daily have evaded law enforcement at the border. The number of so-called gotaways that the agency detects through a variety of technological and other tracking efforts, according to the official. I don't like the way they're saying that.

Narrator 48:45 I know. It's-

Joe Rogan 48:46 What do you, what do you got? Fucking satellites watching the border? It's all... I mean, if you were of the tinfoil hat, you know, if you were of that persuasion, you would look at this and you'd go, "You guys, why aren't you having, why haven't you fixed that? Are you... Do you want people to come across? Do you want it to be easy? Is that how the drugs get over here?" Like, what is... How do the drugs get over here?

Narrator 49:14 Yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 49:14 They bust them with tunnels every now and again.

Narrator 49:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:17 You know, which are wild. The one that they found in Tijuana, did you see that one? Bro, it was the most, like... The, the most sophisticated drug tunnel they've ever discovered. It had lights.

Narrator 49:28 Wow. Where did-

Joe Rogan 49:28 You wanna see that?

Narrator 49:29 Where did it go to?

Joe Rogan 49:30 Um, I'm not sure. They've... There's quite a few of them, though. They find them all the time. 'Cause you have to realize the amount of money that the cartel has. Or the cartels, excuse me, have. There's so many of them. And they're selling billions and billions of dollars worth of drugs every year. They're selling fentanyl, and they're selling fake Xanax, and they're selling... And, you know, it's just... There's a never-ending thirst to escape your normal state of consciousness. And all they have to do is get us the supplies. And they can have helicopters and hippos and tanks (laughs) and machine guns.

Narrator 50:03 Crazy. It's a tunnel. I don't... It doesn't say how long it was.

Joe Rogan 50:06 Record-long tunnel found on US-Mexico border. How long was it? Does it say?

Narrator 50:11 It doesn't say. I was trying to find out by going into more of the information about-

Joe Rogan 50:15 I- It's so funny how easy it is to get into Mexico. You're just like, "Hi." You just wave. (laughs)

Narrator 50:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:22 Hi.

Narrator 50:23 What does it say?

Joe Rogan 50:24 Um, Mariana Van Zeller, she's a woman that, uh... Uh, she's been on my podcast a couple of times, and, um, she has this show. What's her new show called? Trafficked?

Narrator 50:34 Trafficked, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:35 And, uh-

Narrator 50:36 183 feet.

Joe Rogan 50:37 180-foot-long subterranean tunnel found in Mexicali, Baja California, near the border. Wow. Um, but she, uh... What was I gonna say about her? Goddammit.

Narrator 50:52 Drugs, Mexico.

Joe Rogan 50:53 I know.

Narrator 50:54 Traffic.

Joe Rogan 50:54 I'm trying to remember what my point was.

Narrator 50:57 The tunnel.

Joe Rogan 50:57 Fuck, I lost it. Goddammit. It's the Mike Tyson marijuana.

Narrator 51:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:02 I blame the Mike Tyson marijuana. This stuff's strong.

Narrator 51:05 Ridiculously strong.

Joe Rogan 51:06 Mm, (swallows) that's very good. Um, goddammit, I don't remember what my point was. My point was something about marijuana and dr- getting it into the country, drugs.

Narrator 51:19 How easy it is to get into Mexico.

Joe Rogan 51:21 Mm. Oh, that's what it was. Thank you. Thank you. This, uh... One of the episodes, she worked with, uh, these dirty cops, and they were bringing guns to the cartel from California. So, these dirty cops were selling, and they had been selling for years, AK-47s, machine guns, pistols, everything, selling it to the cartel. And so she films these people. Uh, they're all blurred out. They open up the trunk of their car, and it's filled with illegal guns that, that they've confiscated and then they sell. And then these dirty cops drive through the border into Mexico, and they make millions of dollars selling these guns to the cartels.

Narrator 52:03 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:04 It's wild, dude.

Narrator 52:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:06 It's wild, because it's so easy to get into Mexico. So, you just have a truckload of fucking illegal guns. Nobody gives a fuck. Go through. Go ahead. "Hi. Enjoy your tacos." You know? S- have fun in Tulum. Just wave.

Narrator 52:21 That's wild, man.

Joe Rogan 52:22 It's crazy. You just get right through. But coming back up, they check your asshole with a microscope.

Narrator 52:26 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 52:26 You know? They, they'll fucking cut your tires open and find cocaine in them. They have dogs sniff your car, you know?

Narrator 52:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:34 They find a seed. They find something. Those dogs, man. Those fucking dogs that they use for those. They have a dog that's, like... They're specific to a smell. So, whatever that smell is, that dog's getting a treat. So, if it's fentanyl, (sniffs) they just move around their car, and they're like, "This fucking trunk is dirty." And then pull you over, and you're done. There's so many people b- like, trying to get into the United States border every day in that line. It's such a slow-moving line. But the one into Mexico (whooshes) , just trunks full of guns.

Narrator 53:07 Incredible.

Joe Rogan 53:08 'Cause that's how they get their guns. You gotta think, man. If you're working for the police and you're a dirty cop and, uh, you know people that are in the cartel, you know, or you know a connection to someone who's in the cartel, and they tell you, "Hey, you know, I'll give you $50,000 for an AK-47." You're like, "What?" 'Cause they, they have... When you're talking about someone who has that kind of money, like say Jeff Bezos-type money, but they're just selling fentanyl. And they need AK-47s. So like, "I'll give you a lot of money for it." Like, what does it cost normally? Five grand? "I'll give you 10 times that." That's all they'd have to do. And people would get together, and they go, "Look, we got one trunk full. That's a half a million dollars. Let's fucking go."

Narrator 53:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:47 "Let's fucking go."

Narrator 53:48 Cash.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Cash.

Narrator 53:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 Cash. And we could do this once a month. And the next thing you know, we're making fucking $6,000,000 a year.

Narrator 53:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Come on. Come on. "Oh, I don't know. What about... What if we get caught?" You know? There'll be those kinda conversations. But a lot of people must be doing it.... I wonder how they get their stuff. I bet a lot of it comes from China, right? Like, that's where a lot of the fentanyl, um, chemicals come from, the stuff that they use to make fentanyl, all the precursors and all that shit. That stuff comes from China. But China probably works with them. Like, I think there's probably people in China that most certainly would, uh, do business in Mexico to sell illegal drugs to the United States. Wouldn't you?

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:28 No doubt.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Why not? You could poison your enemy from right underneath it, like literally in its basement. Like, poison the enemy by just getting more and more fentanyl and more and more, uh, hard drugs into the kids.

Tony Hinchcliffe 54:41 No doubt.

Joe Rogan 54:42 Meanwhile, in China, get on TikTok and it's showing athletic achievements, science accomplishments. You know, they're showing people, uh, you know, how to, how to create and how to be inspired and how to really contribute to your country. Their, their big moves are all mov- uh, the big movies, rather, are all movies where a Chinese guy kicks the shit out of an American.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:04 Is that true?

Joe Rogan 55:04 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:04 Are we the bad guy over there?

Joe Rogan 55:05 Yes, yes. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:06 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 55:07 Not, we're not just the bad guy. In, um, Spider-Man, the recent Spider-Man, when they tried to send it over to, uh, China, China did not want the scene where, uh, they fought on the Statue of Liberty. They didn't want the Statue of Liberty in there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:23 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Like, "Take it out of the movie."

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:25 (laughs) Did, did they take it out?

Joe Rogan 55:26 And, and Marvel was like, "No."

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:28 Marvel said, "No. We're drawing a line in the sand."

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:30 (coughs)

Joe Rogan 55:30 Ooh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 55:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:32 'Cause China dictates a lot of stuff in terms of like what gets done in movies. Like, they change scripts for the way the Chinese people, uh, like, if they, you know, say they're not gonna buy this or it's not, you know, they're, they're not gonna allow it in their market, 'cause they can not allow a movie. If there's a movie that the Chinese government doesn't approve of, they go, "Fuck that movie." (laughs) And that's it. You don't get in. And then if you're a movie business, the amount of money... Like, one, one thing we found after John Cena apologized to China in Mandarin-

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:03 ... we looked it up. The amount of money that that movie made opening weekend in China was the vast majority of the money.

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:12 It was something like they made $160 million opening week and $140 of it was from China.

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:19 And I was like, "Oh, no." You hear that and you go, "Oh, wow."

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:25 Okay.

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:26 Anybody will apologize in Mandarin for that kind of money. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:28 Oh, I've learned Mandarin. I learned the shit out of some Mandarin. What does it say here?

Tony Hinchcliffe 56:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:32 Domestic b- is this from that movie?

Narrator 56:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:36 So this is like total? This is not... Is it opening week? Or that's total domestic?

Narrator 56:39 Uh, it's just total 'cause I added it up.

Joe Rogan 56:41 Okay. So it says, "Worldwide..." Yeah, so this was early on. Worldwide, it says 721. At, uh, one point in time, the, um... If you look up when John Cena apologized, uh, "opening weekend profits China." Uh, 'cause tha- that was when... So, oh, either way that-

Narrator 56:59 It wasn't open anywhere else though, besides there.

Joe Rogan 57:01 Oh, is that what it is?

Narrator 57:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Right, but that's also another reason why he has to apologize to China, 'cause that's all their money. If he... If they pull it out of China, they're fucked. But actually, you know what? At this point in time, I feel like if something like that happened and they pulled it out of China and everybody heard they pulled it out of China and then it became like a big thing, it'd probably be amazing publicity.

Narrator 57:22 There it has it broken down by country.

Joe Rogan 57:24 Mm.

Narrator 57:25 China was $215 million of... Opening weekend screens, 240,000.

Joe Rogan 57:31 Wow. So opening weekend was 128 million. Whereas, like, the whole thing was like one- whatever it was. It was like 140 or 160. I forget what the whole number but-

Narrator 57:42 It's that one there.

Joe Rogan 57:43 ... the whole entire opening weekend, most of it was from out of China. But that doesn't make sense if China was open and the rest of the world wasn't. But-

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:50 What movie is it again?

Joe Rogan 57:52 Fast and Furious.

Tony Hinchcliffe 57:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:53 That's what's crazy. It's like look how much money that movie makes in other countries, except Uruguay. Uruguay gave it like $18,000. Scroll up. (laughs) Scroll up a little bit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:03 No, back to where it was. Someone was at 18 grand. Oh, Switzerland. Italian-speaking Switzerland, it only made 18 grand. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:12 Italian-speaking Switzerland? What? How that is so fucking specific?

Narrator 58:18 Five screens.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Yeah, five screens. That's hilarious. But it's funny how those movies, those shoot 'em up explosion, fuck you, look at my bice- my biceps movies, those movies kill it in other countries. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:30 Yeah. People love that shit. Die Hard's world famous.

Joe Rogan 58:35 Oh my God. Well, but Die Hard was still world famous in America. Die Hard's kind of a holiday movie, you know? It's a Christmas movie in a lot of ways. It's kinda like little bit of the Scrooge aspect of it, you know? You got a guy who's like losing his family 'cause he's a piece of shit and realizes it and saves the day and becomes a hero in the end. It's got the hero's journey all w- written into it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 58:58 There's some tricky little secret Christmas movies out there. Do you know Edward Scissorhands is a Christmas movie?

Joe Rogan 59:03 Really?

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:03 Yeah. It's like a Christmas movie. (laughs) I can't remember why I know that. But I remember the last time I saw it, I'm like, "This is crazy. This is a Christmas movie."

Joe Rogan 59:13 You know what's great is A Nightmare Before Christmas.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:16 That's a great movie.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:17 You wanna know what's really great though? And I can't remember. I think we talked about this. I can't remember whether you said you saw it or didn't see it. But Mel Gibson plays Santa Claus.

Joe Rogan 59:27 No, I haven't seen it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:28 (laughs) Oh, dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 59:29 Is it really good?

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:30 I can't wait until next Christmas only to watch this movie-

Joe Rogan 59:34 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:34 ... in like a Christmassy vibe again. And I just saw it this past one and it is so cool. It's like he actually plays like the most badass Santa of all time who's actually, you know, at the North Pole and is a real guy. Dude, it's the coolest. It is like John Wick meets Christmas.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Yeah, I saw the, uh, preview for it. It looked pretty funny, like interesting.

Tony Hinchcliffe 59:57 And the way they've s- they have just enough Christmas magic in it mixed with all these (laughs) crazy guns and he has a serious threat-

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:04 ... like military-grade threat. And-

Joe Rogan 1:00:07 Santa Claus drives a red old pickup truck? That Santa Claus?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:10 Dude, it's so cool.... they made him like a real guy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:16 I'm glad Mel Gibson made a comeback. I was bummed-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 ... out at him, getting arrested and saying a bunch of wild shit about Jews. (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 I love that dude. I love his work.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 He's a hell of a movie maker. I mean, he's a crazy dude, but you- I think you need to be crazy to be that good of an actor. You know, I mean, watch him in Braveheart and tell me what sane guy you want playing that role.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:37 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 You know? There's- there's certain moments that could be achieved in film only through madmen and madwomen.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 You need wild people.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:47 Watching Roseanne last night-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:49 ... made me feel that at a thousand miles an hour, right?

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:00:52 'Cause she- I'm- I'm thinking to myself, "Well, this- it's been a while since she's done it. She's one of the GOATS. But it's been a while since she's done it."

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:04 And, you know, and also, people say she's crazy, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:09 And she's up there, so this could go off the rails qu- quick, and it made every single second that much more enjoyable, 'cause you're like, "Holy shit-"

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:16 "... she's doing it. Oh my God, she's got it." And then at one point, not to give anything away, but she ends up saying, "I'm crazy," and you're like, "Oh my God, she knows." It's just that vibe of great, pure stand-up comedy where you're like, "Oh my God, she's saying what we're all thinking at the moment that we're thinking it." And like, you know, just brilliant flow. Crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 No, she's- she's awesome, but she is insane.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 But in a good way. But yeah, like, but w- with acting, it's- it's also, it's not- you- it's a different kind of thing, right? 'Cause you're pretending that you're really emotionally connected to this scene that you're having with this other person. You're screaming at them and like- like, uh- like Daniel Day-Lewis. That guy's gotta be out of his mind.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:01:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 Gotta be out of his mind. Like, for him to play that, uh, I Drink Your Milkshake guy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:04 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:02:04 In There Will Be Blood-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 For him to play that guy? That guy is one of the most complex, terrifying, and yet sympathetic characters. Like, what an insane character, and th- the- the way he played it, believable for every second of every frame of every, you know, part of the movie that you show. It was amazing. Like, think of, um- think of fucking Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. When he- when he reads off that "Coffee's for closers."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 That's a mean man right there. That's- that g- that's a guy, like- play that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 That's a motherfucker who knows how to be mean.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:42 Like, that's mean for real. You know? Like, he's- he's pulling into some darkness.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:48 (clears throat) I mean, Kevin Spacey was mesmerizing-

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 Yes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:02:51 ... in House of Cards.

Joe Rogan 1:02:51 I don't think you can get a person who's not crazy to play crazy as good as, like, an Alec Baldwin can play crazy.

Narrator 1:02:59 Down. Coffee's for closers only. (laughs) You think I'm fucking with you?

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 It's young, handsome Alec Baldwin. Look at him.

Narrator 1:03:16 I am not fucking with you.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:18 Uh, I heard I look like him.

Narrator 1:03:18 I'm here from downtown.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:03:20 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:20 I'm here from Mitch and Murray, and I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Levine?

1:03:31 Yeah.

1:03:33 You call yourself a salesman, you son of a bitch?

1:03:37 I don't gotta listen to this shit.

1:03:38 You certainly don't, pal, 'cause the good news is you're fired. The bad news is you've got, all of you have got just one week to regain your jobs starting with tonight, starting with tonight's sit.

1:03:55 Oh, have I got your attention now?

1:04:01 Good, 'cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 All right, we get it. It's not as good as I thought it was.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:21 I for- I guess you gotta see it in the whole context of the movie. I- I felt like it was- I for- I haven't seen it in so long. But it's also just part of it. It gets heated up towards the end. But to be, uh, uh, uh, like, one of those people, whether it's Mel Gibson or any of these actor types that are just insanely good in a movie, you gotta be a little crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:43 Insanely good. Makes you wonder what we don't know. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:04:48 (laughs) These people, like, I mean, even that, t- talk about insane and doing it in a movie, I- I didn't see the movie, but clearly one of the most obvious signs of mental illness that we've seen lately publicly is Will Smith, in my opinion, slapping Chris Rock from the front row-

Joe Rogan 1:05:06 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:07 ... walking over and doing that.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:08 And then 30 minutes later, he won Best Actor.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:11 So, I think that's exactly what we're talking about here, right?

Joe Rogan 1:05:14 Exactly what we're talking about. Exactly. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:17 That-

Joe Rogan 1:05:17 I mean, he's an amazing actor.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Right? I mean, he shows emotion in his films. It's so real-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 ... so wild. The guy's probably always on the ver- verge of crying.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:26 It's probably a mess.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:28 And, I mean, the way his wife smiled after Chris Rock got slapped, the whole thing was just, oh my God, like he's under a spell.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Like, he's being captured by witchcraft.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:44 It's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 He's the fucking- one of the biggest movie stars ever.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:48 Yeah. And skin-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 And lives in hell.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:50 ... television stars ever.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 And lives in hell.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:52 Phew.

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 You see that video where she was following him around the house, like filming him, and he's like, "Don't use me for clout."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:05:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:58 "My social media is, like, very important to me." And she turns the camera on herself like, "Mm." Like- like as if- and she put that up as if people are not gonna watch that and go, "Are you fucking crazy?" Here's another example. Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's trial. Like, whoa.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 You feel- you- you feel jealous that some people are movie stars? Do you? Yeah? You wanna know what they're like behind the scenes?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 And when this one witch convinces this super millionaire to not sign a prenup-... so that she can, uh, weasel all the money out of him and throws a fucking glass bottom and cuts his finger off, beats him up, and then goes to the press and tells everybody that Johnny beat her. Lies, and says that she had to use a specific makeup to cover up all the abuse-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:40 ... that he gave her. And the makeup company says, "We didn't even make that makeup back then." Like, she got so specific, which is something that people who are full of shit do. They add a lot of, like, unnecessary details.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 If she just said, "I had to put makeup on to cover up," she had to, like, very specific makeup.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:55 She's on the stand right now.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 Oh, let me hear this.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 Give me some.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:06:58 This is live, so I have no idea what they're talking about.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Give me some. Give me some.

Narrator 1:07:02 ... um, that, you know, I didn't, I didn't m- internalize, like, I didn't make that big of a deal of it. I'm like, you know, I've kind of prided myself on being tough and, you know, I don't make a big deal out of, you know, smaller injuries. And I know that sounds horrible because it... and hard maybe to understand, but, um, (sighs) I mean, my best way to cope with it is I kind of, you know, minimize it, make, make (clears throat) make sure no one (clears throat) ... make sure he knows that I'm, I'm tough and can't knock me down and I make a joke of it, clearly. Make light.

1:07:54 I'm going to, uh, Michelle, if you can take this one down and...

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 I've seen enough.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:07:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:00 Um, she was, uh, examined by, uh, some psychologist that said she may have some sort of borderline personality disorder. That was, like, during the trial. Was it Johnny Depp's guy or was it a, uh, independent person that examined her?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:14 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 'Cause if it was Johnny Depp's guy, I'd take it with a little grain of salt.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:19 Her... This, in this article on NPR, her... She spoke on her own behalf after her legal team presented a clinical psychologist who said she was diagnosed with panic disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder. Oh, that's something different than 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Yeah, that's different. This is, um, a couple of days ago.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:34 Yeah, that might be it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:34 Some said they diagnosed her.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:08:37 Now, look.

Joe Rogan 1:08:38 So, Depp is suing her for $100 million in defamation. He won't let it go. This has been going on for years. He won't let it go. He's hounding her, and now he's actually got her on stage. And the thing is, on the stand, you see how crazy she is, and also you get to hear the recordings of how crazy she is. Like, with... The recorded audio of them fighting is fucking hell. It's hell. It's just straight hell. You just imagine being trapped in that fucked-up relationship, just going, "Oh, my God." And so everybody now knows the truth. They now know... This isn't like some, like, u- u- uh, some nice person was involved in this mean person, the mean person hit the nice person, and the nice person's just trying to get by. That's not what's going on. No, this was, like, two insane people involved in a relationship where Johnny was famous from the time he's 20 years old, right? Like, w- uh, what k-... How? How do you figure that out? How do you get m-... How do you navigate life like that? Like, what are your tools that make it, you different than everybody else who's ever been famous when they're really young? 'Cause they all develop fucked up.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:09:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 And then her. Psychologist hired by Johnny Depp testified that Amber Heard has borderline personality disorder. Shannon Curry said she believes Heard has... was grossly exaggerating when asked about having PTSD symptoms. Of course. (clears throat) That's a thing that people can just say, like anxiety. "I have anxiety."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:02 Who doesn't... Who the fuck doesn't have anxiety?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:04 And what are you, what are you doing with your time? Are you just laying around your house all day? Yeah, no wonder y- you have anxiety. That's not good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 That's not normal. Like, if you go to the gym every day and, you know, you take a class and you work out hard or you go for a mile run and you fucking do some sit-ups and push-ups and then you have anxiety, let's talk, 'cause then you might, you might actually have anxiety. But if you're just laying around? Like, there's... I know people that say they have anxiety and I'm like, "What'd you do today?"

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 "Nothing."

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 "I couldn't get off the couch." What?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:33 Yeah, I'm su-

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 How'd you get here?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:34 ... on my phone all day.

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 How'd you get here, if you couldn't get off the couch?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 How are you here? You got off the couch. "Well, I couldn't earlier." Oh. Well, I guess you're powerless.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 You couldn't get off the couch. (laughs) You could get off the fucking couch. You just tell yourself when you go to bed, go to bed at whatever time you go to bed, say, "I'm gonna get up at whatever time. I'm gonna eat breakfast at this time, and then at that time, I'm gonna exercise." And just do it. Just do it. Sucks. You don't wanna do it, I know. Just m-... Go through the motions. Don't even have to go through it that hard. Just get a sweat going. Get going. I guaranfuckingtee you, once you start moving, it'll be easier, and once you start sweating, it'll be easier. And then, then, and only then, tell me how you really feel. 'Cause you don't even know how you feel. You know how you feel when you don't do anything. You know how you feel when you don't do anything and you lay around and you feel like shit. Yeah, duh. I do too.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 I feel like shit. I do things every day. But if I don't do things every day, I'll feel like shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 That's how it works for people. That's what makes a person.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:35 I like to live both sides of it sometimes, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 Well, you like a little relaxation.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:38 But you work hard.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:39 Yeah, absolutely. Today I have scheduled a, uh... It's May 4th, so there's a special Star Wars hot yoga going down tonight-

Joe Rogan 1:11:47 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:47 ... in downtown Austin that I'm going to be taking part in.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:51 No shame in my game.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 May the 4th be with you, that's right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:53 Yeah, yeah, so...

Joe Rogan 1:11:54 I forgot about that. It's today.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:11:55 I'm pumped about that. That's been fun lately. Hot yoga is crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:12:00 Yeah, it is crazy.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:02 It's-

Joe Rogan 1:12:02 Hot yoga's the best.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:03 It is a miserable, miserable hour in which, just like any workout, that first 10 minutes is like, "What am I doing? This was a mistake."

Joe Rogan 1:12:11 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:11 And then something clicks in and it just, whish...

Joe Rogan 1:12:14 And if you can make that 30... You know, that last 30 minutes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:19 Last 30 minutes is rough.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:21 You do a 90-minute yoga class and it's 105 degrees, that last 30 minutes is fucking rough.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:26 And you're dripping.

Joe Rogan 1:12:28 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:28 Continuous drips. I, I looked the other day...... and there was a moment where I, like, saw five drops come off me at once.

Joe Rogan 1:12:36 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:36 Whatever I was doing, and I'm like, "Maybe this is ... Maybe I'm going too hard. Maybe this is too much." And then immediately I'm like, "Nah, come on. Let's go." Some pe- what are you gonna die? In-

Joe Rogan 1:12:46 Do you bring, like, a Hydro Flask with you filled with ice water?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:49 Just a regular bottle of water.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 Yeah?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:51 Yeah, it does, it gets warm throughout its-

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 Dude, listen to me.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:12:53 I wish, I, I should do something better.

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 I got, when I used to go to, uh, beaker rooms in Agoura, I got one of these 64-ounce Hydro Flasks, this big-ass jug, and I fill it up with ice-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:04 ... and then I fill it up with water. And it's so fucking hot in there, the ice melts in the water, and the water is perfectly cold.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:11 I'm gonna get one of those.

Joe Rogan 1:13:11 So, you got perfect balance of having enough ice and enough water, and keep it in there. Dude, that's the move because it's too fucking hot.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 You need cold water.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 You know, or you're gonna have less effort. I wanna put out maximum effort, so when I have some water, I wanna have a little, little cold water, or a little, like, i- ice in my water. I'm more used to it now, though, because the sauna. Like, I can, uh, I can do, uh, a yoga session easier now than ever before, just I'm so used to being under heat exposure that 105 degrees doesn't feel that bad. Like, my body can get back to normal easier. I- It's weird like that. Your body's adaptable to heat.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:48 They also turn on the humidity in those things, though.

Joe Rogan 1:13:51 Oh, yeah?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:51 There's a, there's an extra oomph to it. Yeah. It's 'cause the every-

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 In the hot yoga room?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:13:55 Yeah. There's been a couple times where they're like, "The heat's working today, but the humidity machine is off." Um ...

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:00 It's getting repaired, and, and it was a noticeable difference, and I'm like-

Joe Rogan 1:14:04 Easier?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:06 Oh, yeah. With just heat.

Joe Rogan 1:14:07 Way easier. Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:08 If you, when you add humidity, (laughs) which this place is like... I go to the place that's, like, famous for being torturous. Like, you're supposed to, like-

Joe Rogan 1:14:15 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:15 ... they wanna kill you.

Joe Rogan 1:14:16 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:17 And you're supposed to sorta take breaks throughout, and they tell you that it's okay. Like, "Don't go passing out to be a legend." You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:14:23 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:23 Like, take a break if you need it. And, uh ... What was I just saying?

Joe Rogan 1:14:30 Yoga, hot yoga.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:31 Torture.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:32 Yo- yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 Mike Tyson week.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:33 Yes, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:14:34 This is Mike Tyson's week.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:36 It really, really is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:14:37 This, this is called the Toad.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:39 Yeah. I feel like the guy that sat behind him on that airplane right now.

Joe Rogan 1:14:44 (laughs)

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:14:44 (laughs) Beat up.

Joe Rogan 1:14:45 Yeah. Um, but, yeah, hot yoga for yourself, it's very good. It's s- th- one of the best things ever. And it also, like, if you can get through it, man. I used to go there, and there was this old lady that would go, and then she, I think she was, like, deep into her 70s. And that lady was tough as nails.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:03 She went through every fucking class. She was there every day I was there.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:07 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:15:07 She was always doing it.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:08 All the dudes in the class, like, they're, like, older guys that look young.

Joe Rogan 1:15:13 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:13 So I'm like, "I just, I have, I have, I h- I have to be doing this right."

Joe Rogan 1:15:16 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:16 Like, this has to be the correct move. These guys all seem happy. They seem zen. They're not annoying. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:15:22 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:22 ... you know.

Joe Rogan 1:15:22 So you have to be, like, you have to be resilient to be able to get through one of those classes.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:27 With that said, I have the craziest pet peeve, if anybody... Like, you're not supposed to talk in a yoga room, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:33 And sometimes people will be talking at that-

Joe Rogan 1:15:35 I don't like that.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:35 Oh, it drives me crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:15:37 Don't talk.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:38 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:15:39 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:39 I'm about to, like, it's almost like Curb Your Enthusiasm style 'cause I'm, like, about to be like, I'm deciding do I wanna say, "Shh"? Do I wanna say, "Hey"? Do I, you know, like, I'm trying to figure out-

Joe Rogan 1:15:49 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:49 ... and then I say nothing. And the instructor comes in, and I'm like, "I let them get away with that." And it sort of bothered me.

Joe Rogan 1:15:55 Mm-hmm.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:55 You know?

Joe Rogan 1:15:55 Oh, you mean the beginning of the class-

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:57 ... before the class?

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:57 Yeah, right before the class.

Joe Rogan 1:15:58 Oh.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:15:58 And it even says on the door, like, you're entering a silent zone or whatever it says.

Joe Rogan 1:16:02 Right.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:02 There's a b- uh, yoga word for it, whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:16:05 Yeah.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:07 But it is so annoying.

Joe Rogan 1:16:08 That's n- That's not good.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:09 Yeah. The worst is when someone starts asking you questions. It's when they start forcing you into a conversation while you're trying to be in your calm, zen mind, getting ready for your yoga class. 'Cause getting ready for a yoga class is a lot like getting ready for jujitsu. Like, you gotta warm up a little. You gotta prepare yourself 'cause you're gonna go through some shit.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:27 Like, you gotta get ready. You gotta psychologically prepare yourself.

Tony Hinchcliffe 1:16:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:30 You know, if someone's like, "Hey, man,