Joe Rogan Experience #1813 - Tony Hinchcliffe

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe0:12

      A- and we're up.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Phew. All day I've been trying to recover from yesterday, drinking with Stanhope.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe0:20

      Oh yeah, he's a fun one to hang out with, huh?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      (laughs) We did a podcast, like, right when he was coming out of the pandemic and I think I was probably sober or mostly sober during the podcast and it just didn't... it just felt off. It felt clunky and he felt like that too. So I'm like, this one, gonna make sure we do it right and I just got blasted with him. We just drank whiskey and got fucked up and talked for like... How long was it?

   8. NANarrator0:47

      Three and a half hours.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:48

      Three and a half hours.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe0:49

       Wow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       And w- and couple of pee breaks and just obliterated. I don't remember half what we talked about.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe0:55

       He's so fun.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe0:56

       Last night was incredible.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Last night was insane.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe0:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       Let's tell everybody... First of all, let's tell everybody, you're gonna be in Phoenix this weekend at Stand Up Live, um, which is an awesome club. Uh, and maybe I'll drop in on Friday 'cause I'm gonna be there for the UFC. Ooh.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:10

       Beautiful. Let's have some fun.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       We'll have some fun. Uh, the great and powerful William Montgomery will be there as well. Uh, and then, uh, last night we do a show at Vulcan and who goes on stage with us but motherfucking Roseanne Barr. (laughs)

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:26

       Wow. What a clinic.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       She hadn't been on stage in years.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:30

       In-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:30

       In years.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:31

       In a... And she killed just as hard as anybody. God, the-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       What I n- ... Round of applause she got when she went up there. Look at that. (laughs)

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:36

       Natural freak talent. Killing the whole time. Getting little tiny standing ovations throughout. Totally like the way she moved, the way she talked, her pacing, her timing felt so natural and conversational and just-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       But she wasn't even planning on going up.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:53

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       This is what's crazy. Like, she hadn't gone on stage in years and she did it and then afterwards she, she felt fucking great. She was hanging out in the green room, she was all fired up.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe2:03

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yeah, he's incredible. I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      on his podcast and rants about them. And in that ranting, the constant ranting, he creates these things that are like, "Oh, there's like a glimmer of light in that. There's like a beacon of hope in this bit. Let me turn that into, uh, an actual routine." And then he'll ... I've seen him on stage and I've seen stuff that I've listened to him talk about on his podcast he then brings to the stage and he refines it and he makes it better.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe15:24

      Yeah, he's incredible. I once made the, uh ... I once made an interesting, um, rookie mistake when I was, again, back when I was a door guy at the store. He, uh ... I had never spoken with him before really, and I had never said anything to him, and he said hi to me one night after he performed on stage, and it absolutely killed so hard. I can't remember what the news story was at the time, but something had just happened days earlier, and he was killing for 10 minutes about it. And he came up and he said hi as I'm on the stool on his way to his car in the parking lot, I'm working the back door, and since he said hi to me, I decided to engage and I said something like, "Hey, man, I just wanted to let you know, that was amazing up there. It's crazy how easily you could take something that just happened and, and kill with it like that." And he goes, "Easy." I'm like, "Yeah?" He goes, "There's nothing easy about that. I've been writing every day since that happened for the last three days. From 9:00 to 4:00 PM, I've been writing. So while you've been doing whatever you've been doing, like nothing is easy. There's nothing easy about it. I sat down and I wrote all that." Like, he, like, taught me, like, an amazing lesson.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:38

      Hmm. Yeah.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe16:38

      It was really cool. And I was just trying to give him this compliment, and instead he gave me, you know-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:43

      Yeah.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe16:43

      ... a really, really great insight on how that world works. And you see it with The Last Dance, you know, Jordan practicing all the time, staying after practice, arriving early to practice. It, there, it's a constant. The same with the Tiger Woods documentary. You find out, oh, oh, all he does is practice. All these people that do all these things, it's work.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:04

      Yeah. That's, um, also another book that I've finished again recently that I've reread is Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. Same thing. The putting in the time, like what makes someone exceptional, what's th- what makes someone stand out from anyone else. And one of the things he talked about is The Beatles and how often The Beatles would play when they were in Hamburg, that they would play eight hours a day.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe17:24

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:24

      And they were constantly playing. They were constantly playing. So when they went back to Liverpool years later, they're like fucking phenomenally better.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe17:30

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       Yeah, it's just time. Time and effort and, and inspiration and, and being fired up to do something. You know, we were talking about this yesterday, that one of the things that happened during the pandemic was a lot of people realized that comedy was almost taken away from everybody, 'cause it was for a little bit.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe17:46

       Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       There was no comedy for a little bit, and that, that time, it made you really sit and reflect that comedy's been a weekly part of our lives except for rare occasions, like, uh, r- rare occasions where you take a little bit of a time off, you know?

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe18:00

       Mm-hmm.Yeah. Our friends, The Nether Hour, they totally started everything that they did together during the pandemic. Like, they didn't, they didn't, they had never even played together.

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       Really?

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe18:11

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:11

       Those guys?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe18:12

       And they're like, "You're a bass player. You're a..." Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:14

       No way.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe18:15

       So it was totally formed-

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:16

       That's crazy-

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe18:17

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan18:17

       ... because those guys are so good together.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe18:19

       Yeah. And they have all those original songs and they are w- you know, writing and performing all the time. But when you said that thing about the Beatles in Hamburg, it made me think of that, because they were like locked in together.

   25. JRJoe Rogan18:31

       Yeah.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe18:31

       Every single day. And all they had were their instruments. So like, what else did they have to do? That was it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan18:38

       That's where it's at, man. It's just getting obsessed with stuff. You know, we've been doing so many shows lately. Like, didn't you feel that way in Colorado, like after we had done like four shows on a weekend? Like, "We're getting locked in."

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe18:51

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       You know, because we're just doing so many sets. It's so much stage time and so many people, so many different crowds you're experiencing, you know. So we had did Sunday, we did Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we flew out to Colorado and did Friday and Saturday in Colorado. So it's just bang, bang, bang, bang.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe19:08

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe30:00

      one where he just got out of the helicopter-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      Mm-hmm.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe30:02

      ... and they're doing ... It's chaos behind him. Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum. Right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Right.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe30:06

      You know how they do these? Why do they do that? It's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      So the reporters can't yell questions.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe30:09

      That ... So that if he-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      (laughs)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe30:11

      No, I'm serious. They say, "Well, if he can't hear, then he really can't hear. If he's ... seems overwhelmed, it's because of the sound of the chopper." But I'm like, that's how he is in a quiet room on a fake set behind a podium-

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:24

       Yeah.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe30:24

       ... struggling to answer this, that. But w- they do that a lot.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       But they always did that.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe30:28

       Right on the runway, I know-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       They did it with Trump too.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe30:30

       I ... Yeah. But I think it's, I think it's a little tricky. I think that's what they do when they wanna give someone, like, a little bit of an escape, a little bit of a excuse.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       Well, for the longest time, he would just walk away, remember?

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe30:42

       (laughs) Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Like, they would just ask him questions, he's like, "Err." And then, he would ... There was no press conferences. And I feel bad for that Jen Psaki lady. And, you know, everybody says, like, she's shrill and, you know, the way she communicates, but f- whatever. Imagine having that job.

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe30:56

       Oof.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Fuck that job. 'Cause she has to debate with people more than the president does. She has to go back and forth with the press. And sometimes she says things in confidence, but, like, just like being on a fucking podcast, sometimes you say things and you think it's true while you're saying it. It turns out it's not. And you represent the President of the United States, and no one's fact-checking you in real time, and it's all happening live on television. Yikes, fuck that job. Everybody who gets it hates it.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe31:21

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       The only one who was good at it was that, uh, the lady, the last lady with Trump. What's her name? Kylie McEnany?

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe31:28

       Oh, yeah. She was great.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       How do you say her name?

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe31:29

       Kayleigh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:30

       Kayleigh McEnany. She's the best.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe31:32

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:32

       She's the GOAT at that shit.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe31:34

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       'Cause, uh, she would have fucking receipts. She had, like, tabs on her notebook she would pull right to, like, when she knew-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      and he's having a conversation with this cop. Said, "You don't have the space. We have watch towers up here. The watch tower is so close to pick anyone that gets rowdy so we can pull them out quickly." So, they have watch towers and they have these people like, how many dozens in there fenced into a cage, and Pence isn't even looking at them. Look at him, he's got his back turned to it.

   2. NANarrator45:23

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      That's weird, man. Isn't that weird? Like, wouldn't you be ... You would be, first of all, maybe he feels disrespectful staring at those people 'cause it is kinda fucked that they can't get out and you're staring at them. It's kinda weird. It's probably got weird energy. But as a human being who's seeing these other human beings that have been captured, wouldn't you feel empathy? Wouldn't you feel like, wow, this is a fucked up situation. Like, what, you know, what are these guys running from that it's worth getting arrested here? Like, what is life like for them? You know, what are they escaping that's so much worse than this that they're willing to take this chance? And we're ... Our standards and our understanding of like what life should be is so elevated in America that if you, if you look at some of the poorest places in Mexico, they're fucking right there, man. They're not far at all.

   4. NANarrator46:11

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:11

      Just outside of Tijuana some incredibly poor areas. And you think like, if you know you are stuck there and you're not gonna ever get out and this is just gonna be your life forever, you'll take some wild ass chances. But for a guy like Mike Pence, like that's not, that's not a neighborhood that exists in his mind. You know what I mean? That's not like a place that he can go to. Like, "Oh yeah, I remember when I was a kid and we had a dirt floor and, uh, we would try to catch wild chickens 'cause we had no food for dinner, and we were thinking about how to sneak over into America some day." That's what's going on to these people. And there's fucking thousands of them coming across every day. Oh, that was the other thing. How many, um, illegal immigrants do they estimate come into America each day?

   6. NANarrator46:53

      Oh, that's a good question.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:54

      Because a lot of ... The Republicans talk about ... It's weird. Republicans talk about it a lot, and Democrats wanna pretend it's no big deal.

   8. NANarrator46:59

      I think the same article was saying that there is, uh, 50,000 detained in, on any given day. So, I don't know how it's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan47:06

      Whoa.

   10. NANarrator47:06

       ... goes up and down and it stays at 50.

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       50,000 a day.

   12. NANarrator47:10

       Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       50,000 detained.

   14. NANarrator47:13

       Not like added to-

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       Oh, not like arrested.

   16. NANarrator47:14

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       Oh, I see. Oh, I see.

   18. NANarrator47:15

       And, and, and incarcerated. Right, right, right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       In- currently incarcerated, 50,000-

   20. NANarrator47:19

       Wow.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       ... per day. How many new ones are coming in do you think? How many people do they keep in those cages? What do they do when the cages gets full? "Guess what? It's your lucky day, Tony. We can only keep 50,000 in this cage. So, you are 50,001, so we're gonna give you a bus ticket to Taco- Tacoma."

   22. NANarrator47:35

       Here is from CNN, uh, a year ago.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       "Go to Washington State." Nearly 6,000 undocumented immigrants apprehended daily at US-Mexican border in April. Holy shit. 6,000 a day. That's, that's bigger than the crowd that we had in Colorado-

   24. NANarrator47:53

       Wow.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:53

       ... for each show a day.

   26. NANarrator47:55

       Damn.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:56

       That many people.

   28. NANarrator47:58

       Oh, my goodness.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       That's wild, dude. That's a lotta people. (sighs)

   30. NANarrator48:04

       Crazy times.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   (laughs) …

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:00

      in it mixed with all these (laughs) crazy guns and he has a serious threat-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      (laughs)

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:04

      ... like military-grade threat. And-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Santa Claus drives a red old pickup truck? That Santa Claus?

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:10

      Dude, it's so cool.... they made him like a real guy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      I'm glad Mel Gibson made a comeback. I was bummed-

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:18

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      ... out at him, getting arrested and saying a bunch of wild shit about Jews. (laughs)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:24

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

       I love that dude. I love his work.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:26

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       He's a hell of a movie maker. I mean, he's a crazy dude, but you- I think you need to be crazy to be that good of an actor. You know, I mean, watch him in Braveheart and tell me what sane guy you want playing that role.

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:37

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

       You know? There's- there's certain moments that could be achieved in film only through madmen and madwomen.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:45

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       You need wild people.

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:47

       Watching Roseanne last night-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:49

       ... made me feel that at a thousand miles an hour, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

       Yeah.

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:52

       'Cause she- I'm- I'm thinking to myself, "Well, this- it's been a while since she's done it. She's one of the GOATS. But it's been a while since she's done it."

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:04

       Yeah.

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:04

       And, you know, and also, people say she's crazy, you know what I mean?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       Yeah.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:09

       And she's up there, so this could go off the rails qu- quick, and it made every single second that much more enjoyable, 'cause you're like, "Holy shit-"

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       Yeah.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:16

       "... she's doing it. Oh my God, she's got it." And then at one point, not to give anything away, but she ends up saying, "I'm crazy," and you're like, "Oh my God, she knows." It's just that vibe of great, pure stand-up comedy where you're like, "Oh my God, she's saying what we're all thinking at the moment that we're thinking it." And like, you know, just brilliant flow. Crazy, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       No, she's- she's awesome, but she is insane.

   29. THTony Hinchcliffe1:01:41

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       But in a good way. But yeah, like, but w- with acting, it's- it's also, it's not- you- it's a different kind of thing, right? 'Cause you're pretending that you're really emotionally connected to this scene that you're having with this other person. You're screaming at them and like- like, uh- like Daniel Day-Lewis. That guy's gotta be out of his mind.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:34

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      70s. And that lady was tough as nails.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:03

      She went through every fucking class. She was there every day I was there.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:07

      Um-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

      She was always doing it.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:08

      All the dudes in the class, like, they're, like, older guys that look young.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:13

      Mm-hmm.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:13

      So I'm like, "I just, I have, I have, I h- I have to be doing this right."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:16

      Yeah.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:16

       Like, this has to be the correct move. These guys all seem happy. They seem zen. They're not annoying. It's like-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:22

       Right.

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:22

       ... you know.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:22

       So you have to be, like, you have to be resilient to be able to get through one of those classes.

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:27

       With that said, I have the craziest pet peeve, if anybody... Like, you're not supposed to talk in a yoga room, you know?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

       Right.

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:33

       And sometimes people will be talking at that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:35

       I don't like that.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:35

       Oh, it drives me crazy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:37

       Don't talk.

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:38

       Oh, my God.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:39

       Yeah.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:39

       I'm about to, like, it's almost like Curb Your Enthusiasm style 'cause I'm, like, about to be like, I'm deciding do I wanna say, "Shh"? Do I wanna say, "Hey"? Do I, you know, like, I'm trying to figure out-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:15:49

       Right.

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:49

       ... and then I say nothing. And the instructor comes in, and I'm like, "I let them get away with that." And it sort of bothered me.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:15:55

       Mm-hmm.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:55

       You know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:15:55

       Oh, you mean the beginning of the class-

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:57

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

       ... before the class?

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:57

       Yeah, right before the class.

Episode duration: 2:42:12