Joe Rogan Experience #1814 - Radio Rahim

1. 0:00 – 4:44

   Why you should never read comments: negativity bias and distorted feedback

   1. RRRadio Rahim0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. RRRadio Rahim0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music) Oh, yeah, and last time, I guess I talk really loud, apparently.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      No, you don't. Oh, you read comments.

   5. RRRadio Rahim0:18

      Y- yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Don't read comments. Don't read comments.

   7. RRRadio Rahim0:20

      U- they-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Don't read comments.

   9. RRRadio Rahim0:22

      (laughs) He told me that last time, Joe. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Never read comments. Never read c- I told it Don L. (laughs) When Don and L- when Don L. and I did a podcast with Ariza, uh, it was so much fun. After it was over, I gave him a big hug. I said, "That was fun. Don't read the comments."

   11. RRRadio Rahim0:34

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       And he went on, like, for weeks, for weeks, he was, like, on this, like, defensive campaign.

   13. RRRadio Rahim0:43

       But Don L. maybe, maybe should read a few of the comments. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       (laughs)

   15. RRRadio Rahim0:47

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       I, I don't think so. I don't think so. I, I like him perfectly flawed.

   17. RRRadio Rahim0:52

       Y-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       I like him-

   19. RRRadio Rahim0:53

       Yeah, that's a good way-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       ... as he is.

   21. RRRadio Rahim0:54

       ... to describe it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah. I don't want-

   23. RRRadio Rahim0:56

       That's a good way to describe him.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       I don't want him to change at all. I mean, I would like him to grow and get better as a human being, but that whole, like, interrupting thing that he does, like-

   25. RRRadio Rahim1:04

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... psh, that's great, man. That's him.

   27. RRRadio Rahim1:06

       I'm a very sensitive guy, though. I need to know what I've said, how that affects people.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       You're in the wrong business.

   29. RRRadio Rahim1:14

       (sighs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       If you're a sensitive guy-
2. 4:44 – 5:35

   Chappelle Hollywood Bowl attack: what happened and why it felt life-or-death

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      You weren't with Dave at the Hollywood Bowl, correct?

   2. RRRadio Rahim4:46

      Yeah, but, this is what I'm saying-

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      Right.

   4. RRRadio Rahim4:47

      ... we'd probably be remiss if we didn't address that-

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:50

      Yeah.

   6. RRRadio Rahim4:51

      ... off the top.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Right.

   8. RRRadio Rahim4:52

      'Cause I'm, what, 36 hours removed from that, like, one sleep away from what, in the moment, I recognized as an assassination attempt on my best friend.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      Right.

   10. RRRadio Rahim5:04

       Like, we get, we have the f- incredible good fortune to be able to be laughing about it now.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       Right.

   12. RRRadio Rahim5:11

       And, uh, there's the memes and everybody is making fun of how this guy got broken up into a pretzel. And Dave's good reflexes and all that only is entertaining-

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       'Cause he's alive.

   14. RRRadio Rahim5:24

       ... because we don't have to have-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       Right.

   16. RRRadio Rahim5:26

       ... an inconsolable moment of grief. Which was o- one thought in this guy's mind away from that being the reality today.

3. 5:35 – 7:12

   Venue security failures and the limits of protection

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:35

      Right. Yeah, I mean, well, I think the guy was, like, legitimately mentally ill. But also, the security at the Hollywood Bowl sucks every dick that's ever walked the face of the Earth. Not that dicks walk.

   2. RRRadio Rahim5:47

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:47

      But the fact that you let that guy ... Apparently, people were saying to security, "Hey, this guy passed the barrier." Like, they, he got through the barrier and they ignored him. They were just watching the show.

   4. RRRadio Rahim5:59

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:59

      And then he literally made a run for it. Their security's fucking terrible. The, the fact that that guy got to where he got is terrible. But that's the case with a lotta venues, man. A lotta venues we do-... we look around. We were in Jacksonville. There was a fucking guy that was sleeping, sleeping. (snorts) Security during the show.

   6. RRRadio Rahim6:17

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:17

      Like, they're not paying attention. They're not paying attention to shit. It just happens.

   8. RRRadio Rahim6:20

      Security at a venue is most likely minimum wage workers. Not that the amount of money that you're being paid necessarily indicates how seriously you take your job, but it's gonna be hard to get 50 people working one venue at minimum wage that take their job incredibly seriously or have gone through-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:39

      Yeah.

   10. RRRadio Rahim6:39

       ... some extensive training-

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       I don't think they get paid minimum wage.

   12. RRRadio Rahim6:42

       ... to be qualified for that job.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       I think they definitely get paid more than minimum wage. But the point is, like, they should hire cops. They should have off-duty police. They should have people that are near the stage, especially when it's Dave after all that shit that went down with Netflix. And just, I don't know what kind of assessments they do about people and, like, threats and stuff like that. But that guy actually had made a tweet saying, "Dave Chappelle, you're next," after Will Smith got, got slapped. Or excuse me, after Chris Rock, uh, got slapped by Will Smith.

4. 7:12 – 26:13

   Social media spillover: from violent posts to real-world action

   1. RRRadio Rahim7:12

      I don't know that there's any level of security that insulate you from real life. And-

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:17

      That's true.

   3. RRRadio Rahim7:18

      ... a guy like that, who we can't say his name. We... I don't even wanna reference this motherfucker because it's the kind of attention that they want. Like, part of the idea of a person like that is that now they become something.

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:33

      They become special.

   5. RRRadio Rahim7:34

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:34

      Yeah.

   7. RRRadio Rahim7:35

      For a moment, we-

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:35

      'Cause they attacked a special person.

   9. RRRadio Rahim7:36

      Yeah. We wanna look at what they... their videos. We wanna look at their tweets. We wanna figure out who this guy is and speak their name. And for him, that is everything. That's worth everything that happened.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Yeah.

   11. RRRadio Rahim7:48

       But for us, y-... the idea that anybody in this world can get at you, that any thought that somebody has in their head can change literally the course of history and take the people from us that we love. They don't have to be famous.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:04

       Right.

   13. RRRadio Rahim8:05

       They don't have to be of great impact to the entire world. But I've lost loved ones. I know you've lost loved ones. A... Seeing in that moment that I might actually have lost my best friend on the world stage in front of everybody, on cameras, all of us there, thinking that we could protect him, all of us there thinking, "Well, it couldn't possibly be a guy jumping a barrier, jumping on stage with a clean run at Dave with a weapon, with a knife that's shaped like a fucking gun." How... That's inconceivable.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:36

       Yeah.

   15. RRRadio Rahim8:36

       That couldn't possibly happen, right? If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:41

       Well, not only that, there's a lot of video of it. What happened to those fucking cellphones being in a bag?

   17. RRRadio Rahim8:46

       I mean-

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:46

       A lot of people had knives. A lot of other people had knives too. They cut those fucking bags open. They need metal detectors at Dave shows now. I'm sure they're gonna-

   19. RRRadio Rahim8:54

       We have-

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       ... ramp up things now.

   21. RRRadio Rahim8:55

       ... metal detectors.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:56

       What? That guy went through a metal detector with a knife?

   23. RRRadio Rahim8:58

       If he came through the normal order of security, then he had to walk through a metal detector.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       How did he even get a ticket? He was a homeless guy.

   25. RRRadio Rahim9:05

       I mean, you know, these questions, uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       Yeah.

   27. RRRadio Rahim9:09

       ... th- these are the kind of things that'll, uh, twist your knots and keep you tossing and turning all night. The broader, uh, emotion I'm, I'm struggling with is the reality that we have to, like, have a bit more gratitude for the people that we have on this planet, in our lives, in our sphere of entertainment and influence while they're here.

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Yeah.

   29. RRRadio Rahim9:33

       Like, I don't wanna be posting about how much, oh, we all love Dave and what we missed, you know, uh, what we could have said and... I don't, I don't need a, a Nipsey Ru- Russel moment. You know-

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       Right, right.
5. 26:13 – 34:40

   Mental diet, cancel culture, and defending the right to speak

   1. RRRadio Rahim26:13

      So my, yeah, my last 36 hours really, uh, I've tried to subside the anger and- and certainly best the fear, but it's about, like, gratitude. It's like m- we can't take for granted anything. I can't take you for granted. Like, the- the... Like, I think I- I made a post, um, when I got a job at Pro Bellum, which is a huge, like, moment in my career, right? Like, I got to be the in-the-ring interviewer post-fight. As I've said, the way you do it is, uh, a beacon to me. Like, I love that aspect of your work, and that is my claim to fame. That's my passion, and I had an opportunity to do it on this platform. I'm still doing it. But when I- when I got the opportunity, I thought, you know, you put me on this show the first time around about this Till This Day controversy, if you wanna call it that, and it gave me another level of notoriety. It gave- it provided other opportunities for me because you were gracious enough and generous enough with your platform to do that. Well, you know, not long ago, people are furious with you. Some people still so. I'm fine with everybody, you know, having their opinion or, uh, being pissed. Y- everybody gets a- an opportunity to do that. They have a right to do that. But talking about taking Joe Rogan out of the sphere of conversation, idiots talking about, "Uh, kill Joe Rogan." Yo, that's my friend. That's a good guy. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with everything he says. It doesn't matter whether or not you even want him to be on air. What matters is that he can so you can. If he has an idea you don't like and you have a better idea, or you think he's bullshit and you have the real shit, do your own experience. I came here today because I wanted to be a part of the Joe Rogan experience, not anybody in the comment section, not anybody in their, uh, think pieces, not anybody in their editorials. I'm here for the Joe Rogan experience, and that has been an incredibly wonderful experience for me. Why should you or anybody else be able to take that from me?

   2. JRJoe Rogan28:21

      I think people think too much about why, you know? Like, you think the- people think too much about this idea that you can stop someone from talking, and that's the whole idea about cancel culture, right, is that you're gonna remove someone from the conversation. You can d- and it's worked for some people. I mean, rightly so for people like Harvey Weinstein, right? They- they... That's-

   3. RRRadio Rahim28:43

      Well, yeah, but-

   4. JRJoe Rogan28:43

      That's cancel culture in its best form, right? That's the best version of it.

   5. RRRadio Rahim28:47

      Yeah. I've never heard Harvey Weinstein's perspective on anything. He's a serial rapist. Yeah, let's remove him-

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:53

      Right, but-

   7. RRRadio Rahim28:53

      ... from society.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:54

      ... but we didn't- but we didn't find out about that until people were outraged and until Ronan Farrow wrote that piece and until... 'Cause that was, like, an open secret in Hollywood. So, like, that was the non-cancel culture. That was the let-people-slide culture.

   9. RRRadio Rahim29:08

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:08

       It was still like, "Lookit, he's gonna help us and get us an Academy Award, and he's a, yeah, he's a scumbag, but, like, you know, like, thank him when you win your Oscar."

   11. RRRadio Rahim29:16

       Okay. Well, I make a serious distinction between someone's actions-

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       Oh, for sure. For sure.

   13. RRRadio Rahim29:21

       ... that harm other people as opposed to someone's opinions that you have to go somewhere to, uh, hear.

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       No, no, no. Obviously, obviously.

   15. RRRadio Rahim29:30

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:30

       But what I'm- what I'm saying is, like, there- this is a weird time in terms of people being able to express themselves. It's so unique and unprecedented that untold millions of people at any time can pick up their phone and go onto Facebook or go onto Twitter or whatever and just start putting your opinion out there.

   17. RRRadio Rahim29:47

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:47

       Go onto YouTube, make a video. "You know, I was listening to radio Raheem. He was on Joe Rog- he talks too fucking loud." And like-

   19. RRRadio Rahim29:54

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:54

       ... you know, the- and people-

   21. RRRadio Rahim29:55

       (laughs) .

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:55

       And you could read that and you could listen to that, and that can affect you. And that's why you have to be careful about... You know, people talk about your diet-

   23. RRRadio Rahim30:05

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:05

       ... like, in terms of, like, what you eat. Well, you have to have a good diet in terms of what you take in mentally as well. It's very important.

   25. RRRadio Rahim30:12

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:12

       And that's why you don't wanna read comments.

   27. RRRadio Rahim30:14

       (sighs) .

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:14

       'Cause you're taking in complaints, and you can only take in so many complaints before you start internalizing them and thinking like, "Man, maybe I do suck," or maybe, uh, m- you know, and you- you maybe get a little defensive. I've seen a lot of people get ultra-defensive and get really weird because of reading too many comments. It's like y- you should do your own personal auditing, you should be objective and introspective and think about yourself and your life and who you are and what you say and how- how it affects other people.

   29. RRRadio Rahim30:42

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       But you can't- you can't take all those negative things in too much. It's like- it's- it's like drinking too much alcohol or smoking too much cigarettes. It's not good for you.
6. 34:40 – 38:25

   Trust, experts, and the credibility collapse of institutions

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:40

      Well, I tell people to read the s- the- the- the actual pertinent information, you know. That- that's actually a joke now, like do your own research, you know. "I did my own research." Like, no, you should trust the experts. Well, so- not anymore, you know?

   2. RRRadio Rahim34:52

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:52

      It depends on what you're talking about. Should you trust the experts on nuclear physics? Yes. Should you trust the experts on... It's- it's- soon as money gets involved, this whole trust the experts things gets fucking weird because we know that people have ins- influenced people to make certain statements that do not jibe with the facts. And if you look at all that accurately and you say, you know, "Trust the experts," like which ones? Which experts? You wanna trust the experts in math? Yes. Those guys can't lie 'cause you could do the work. Everyone can see it. It's math. It's as clear as it gets. Trust the experts in ancient history? Sure, as long as they agree.

   4. RRRadio Rahim35:27

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:27

      If they don't agree with each other, then who's- which experts are... Like I was just reading this thing about Clovis, um, yesterday, and I sent it to a friend of mine who, uh, is an expert in it, and I said, "Hey, what do you think about this article?" And he sent it to another guy. So these people are, like, passing this, these experts are passing this article around.

   6. RRRadio Rahim35:43

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:43

      Like, here's the problems with this. You know, like the idea is that, um, people were in North America thousands of years earlier than they thought, and this is, like, pretty much established now that it's true, 'cause they keep finding bones and, and, and al- all sorts of artifacts that are far older than they thought they were. Then a new article came out just a few days ago about how reexamining Clovis first and that might be accurate. And so I sent this article to these other guys. I said, "Well, who's right? Is it that people were here 30,000, 40,000 years ago-"

   8. RRRadio Rahim36:12

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:12

      "... or is it the- the Clovis people were the first people?" And so they're all breaking this down. So experts don't even agree.

   10. RRRadio Rahim36:19

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:19

       So this fucking guy who wrote this article is an expert, and I sent it to some other experts, and they sent it to other experts, and they're all going... So like when you say trust the experts, on what?

   12. RRRadio Rahim36:29

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       On what?

   14. RRRadio Rahim36:29

       Well, and science is an ongoing study, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:32

       Right.

   16. RRRadio Rahim36:32

       That's part of it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:33

       Yes.

   18. RRRadio Rahim36:33

       ... to continue to question, and there are things that are proven to work and things that have been established over years that we can rely on.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:40

       Yes.

   20. RRRadio Rahim36:40

       And I- I think the part that makes it so confusing is what we spoke about earlier, the lack of credibility of institutions.

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:47

       Yes.

   22. RRRadio Rahim36:47

       What institutions do you trust?

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       100%.

   24. RRRadio Rahim36:50

       And-

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       That's exactly what it is because when, when you just trust...... the people that are in power, then you get a dictatorship.

   26. RRRadio Rahim36:57

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:57

       You, you can't just trust anyone who has authority. That's nonsense. You have to know why they know what they know, and how did they g- come about? And are they being influenced and do they have an agenda? And is there a v- do they have a vested interest in this being accurate as opposed to that?

   28. RRRadio Rahim37:12

       Right. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:12

       Is there a financial gain involved in it? And oftentimes there is. And that's, that's real. That's, that's, that's real human beings. And most people know that. And when you can get people to just fucking step in line and just listen to authority, the problem with that is that doesn't go away. They keep that fucking attitude, and that's the attitude that they have in all these communist dictatorships where the people are under the boot of these fucking evil thugs. How did that come about? That came about because they just had to listen. They have to listen.

   30. RRRadio Rahim37:40

       Hmm. And so free speech-
7. 38:25 – 1:13:33

   Crisis as a pretext for control: Patriot Act, surveillance, and freedom erosion

   1. JRJoe Rogan38:25

      Don't you think it's also a factor of no one has enough time? No one. Like, no one has enough time. Like, if you really wanna find out about, like, the fucking, the, the Spanish flu from 1918, do you have the time? How many people have the time?

   2. RRRadio Rahim38:40

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan38:40

      Do you have the time to research, like, the waves and how people started wearing masks and when people died and where it came from? Did it actually come from Spain or did it actually come from America, they think.

   4. RRRadio Rahim38:50

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:50

      Nobody has the fucking time. So when... even things that are happening right now, like when they're talking about, uh, oh, you know, we've gotta stop being so dependent on foreign oil. Fuck, I gotta go research foreign oil.

   6. RRRadio Rahim39:01

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan39:01

      I gotta start thinking about (laughs) how, how bad was fracking? Some people say fracking's the devil.

   8. RRRadio Rahim39:06

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan39:06

      Other people say fracking's necessary. It's gonna fuck up some spots, but it's gonna eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. (sighs) Fuck, I gotta research this?

   10. RRRadio Rahim39:13

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       I gotta go and find out who's right and who's wrong. I've had experts that had completely different opinions on climate change.

   12. RRRadio Rahim39:20

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:20

       And it's exhausting. You know, I'm just like, "Who's right?" One guy is saying that solar and wind can take care of a lot of our energy needs and we need to optimize those, and we need... if we, if we don't do that, we're fucked, and here's all these examples of pollution and this is what the carbon's doing to the atmosphere. And then there's another guy that goes, "Well, here's like a thousand-year chart of how the temperature of the Earth just keeps going up and down. We're on course." It has an effect, but it has a small effect. And there's a lot of people that are profiting off freaking everybody out and the control that they're gonna get from some sort of climate crisis-

   14. RRRadio Rahim39:54

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan39:54

       ... the same as they would get it from a war crisis, the same as a health crisis. If they have the opportunity to close in and get tighter and tighter control on your actions and what you're allowed to do and not allowed to do, then it's easier to be a dictator 'cause there's a lot of people that out... they're out there that don't like the idea of people voting for things. They would rather just run things.

   16. RRRadio Rahim40:14

       Of course.

   17. JRJoe Rogan40:14

       They would rather just tell you what to do. And in certain cases they can do that, in cases of war, in cases of any sort of extreme medical emergency, in cases of any sort of civil dif- disobedience, they can impose martial law. Like that stuff's scary. That stuff's scary because then you have an incentive for those things to take place so that you can control things. And then even after you're done controlling things, you could allow things to relax a little bit. But you have more c- control over the people now than you did a year ago, two years ago, five years ago, before the crisis. It's what they did with 9/11. I don't think that the United States caused 9/11, but I most likely think, I most certainly think that they used 9/11 to get the Patriot Act through. The... a lot of stuff that was in the Patriot Act existed before this, long before 9/11. They couldn't get it through. There's a lot of idea... They do that with bills. They shove a bunch of shit in there-

   18. RRRadio Rahim41:05

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       ... and you're like, "Wait a minute, why does it say things about crosswalks in, in a, a thing about, you know, something that's totally unrelated?" Why is it... do you guys have a, a deal with the Crosswalk Union? Like why does it, why do they, why do they have a th- it's a bad example, but why do they have, uh, provisions in, in, in certain bills that have nothing to do with, with what the title of the bill is?

   20. RRRadio Rahim41:24

       And the life of those provisions-

   21. JRJoe Rogan41:26

       Ugh.

   22. RRRadio Rahim41:26

       ... that may (clears throat) long outlive the crisis at hand.

   23. JRJoe Rogan41:31

       Yes. Forever. Like the Patriot Act, like the TSA. One guy tries to blow his shoes off, we have to take our shoes off forever. Like, what is that? What fuck... and it just, it's forever and it just keeps going and it just, it, you don't... when you lose power, when you lose power over your decision to make, uh, choices and whether or not you want to do this or do that and what, what you're allowed to do in freedom, once you lose that, you don't get it back. You never get more freedom.

   24. RRRadio Rahim41:57

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan41:57

       You always get a little less, and they go, "We're still better off than Haiti. We're still better off than Cuba. We're still better off than China. We're still..."

   26. RRRadio Rahim42:04

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan42:04

       But the fucking reality is we're not better off in terms of our ability to make decisions for ourself than we were before they im- imposed these things. We're not as free in terms of government surveillance. Like, the idea that the government could be looking out for terrorists and stop terrorists, yeah, that would be g- that would be nice. It would be nice if you, you could prevent a terrorist attack. Okay. Well, the only way we can do that, Rahim, is we're gonna have to look at all your emails and read all your text messages-

   28. RRRadio Rahim42:30

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan42:30

       ... whether you like it or not-

   30. RRRadio Rahim42:32

       Yeah.
8. 49:59 – 1:06:15

   Jon Stewart, media distrust, and the rise of independent journalism

   1. RRRadio Rahim49:59

      ... of other people's lives and, and the lens through which they see their own life. Uh, I, I gotta talk about Jon Stewart, who was there the other night at the, at the bowl (laughs) . You know? Um, one thing that mortified me, because I look up to him so much as an interviewer in particular, was that the kind of information that we're talking about, him being at the forefront of that information war when he was the most trusted news (laughs) source-

   2. JRJoe Rogan50:28

      He was.

   3. RRRadio Rahim50:29

      ... in America-

   4. JRJoe Rogan50:29

      Yeah.

   5. RRRadio Rahim50:30

      ... on a comedy show that was satire, but because the institution was trusted, because the guy was pointing out th- the, the song and dance show of the nightly news and the political spin, we could trust him. He felt like he lost that battle.

   6. JRJoe Rogan50:47

      Mm-hmm.

   7. RRRadio Rahim50:48

      He felt like, "Well, they won. I didn't have enough of an impact, if any impact at all." I was shocked by that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan50:56

      Hmm.

   9. RRRadio Rahim50:57

      I, I thought, like, not only did you win, but I had no idea internally he would have thought anything else. But that's how true he was to the cause. Like, because it's still going on, 'cause there is still a Fox News, because there is still disinformation happening on all news channels-

   10. JRJoe Rogan51:14

       Mm-hmm.

   11. RRRadio Rahim51:16

       ... i- he feels like he didn't accomplish-

   12. JRJoe Rogan51:19

       He should have stayed in the game.

   13. RRRadio Rahim51:20

       ... what he could have or should have.

   14. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       He should have stayed in the game. Look, the guy's back and doing his show now, but when he was the host of The Daily Show, he was the fucking man. It was, I think, m- maybe it was too much. Maybe he got worn out. Maybe it was like, you know, he felt like he'd done enough and he wanted to do something different, take some time off or something like that. But, um, I think you get better at something the more you do it. You know? I think it's important that there is a way, there's a way to distribute comedy, uh, and have it wrapped up in the news and it actually is informative and helpful. And that's one of the things that Daily Show did when Stewart was running it. It actually was ... He's so likable and it's so, he's so smart and so obvious that he's smart, that you hear him talk about stuff and you go, "Oh yeah." Like, it resonates, makes sense.

   15. RRRadio Rahim52:10

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan52:11

       Yeah.

   17. RRRadio Rahim52:11

       I think he's so true to, to that mission-

   18. JRJoe Rogan52:13

       Yeah.

   19. RRRadio Rahim52:13

       ... that maybe, maybe he cared even too much. Like, it, it must be a tireless fight to feel like you're the only voice-

   20. JRJoe Rogan52:23

       Yeah.

   21. RRRadio Rahim52:24

       ... and have this platform that every other nightly news, cable news show should be doing what you're doing, and instead you're like fighting them every night and having to point out how terrible they are at doing-

   22. JRJoe Rogan52:35

       Yeah.

   23. RRRadio Rahim52:35

       ... the thing they're most importantly tasked with. So if you see that as a constant struggle and they seem to be unaffected by it ultimately, even though people are listening to The Daily Show and understanding some of the song and dance about-

   24. JRJoe Rogan52:50

       Uh-huh.

   25. RRRadio Rahim52:50

       ... mass media, it's still not changing the bottom line, at least from his perspective, it might just be exhausting, man.

   26. JRJoe Rogan52:57

       I'm sure it's exhausting.

   27. RRRadio Rahim52:59

       And on- Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan52:59

       Um, one of the things that's come out of this, the, the corporate news not being trusted, is the rise of these independent news platforms.

   29. RRRadio Rahim53:07

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan53:07

       That's what's interesting to me. What's really interesting to me is watching how these, like, online YouTube people and online Substack journalists are changing the way people get their information. Because there's certain people that have ethics as a journalist, as a, a reporter, as someone who's trying to explain the truth the best they know, and tho- their ethics are unflappable. And they, they happen to be on YouTube or they happen to be on Substack and people find them and they're gravitating towards them now. And so those other ones, they don't work anymore. They're just n- th- it's just, it's s- it's s- it's like school lunches. Like, you could do better than a fucking school lunch.
9. 1:06:15 – 1:19:33

   Specialists vs hybrids in combat sports: boxing, MMA, and elite craft

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:15

      Uh, did you ever learn any martial arts, other than boxing?

   2. RRRadio Rahim1:06:18

      (sighs) Uh, I... Learn? No. Try? Yes. Judo-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

      No?

   4. RRRadio Rahim1:06:22

      Judo.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

      Judo?

   6. RRRadio Rahim1:06:23

      Judo was the first thing. Dislocated my elbow in the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:26

      Ooh.

   8. RRRadio Rahim1:06:26

      ... in the least, like, masculine way possible. You know how, when they throw you and you're supposed to slap the mat?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:31

      Mm-hmm.

   10. RRRadio Rahim1:06:31

       So, I got thrown, I went to slap too early.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:35

       Oh, you landed on a hyperventilator?

   12. RRRadio Rahim1:06:36

       Fucking jackknifed my elbow.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:38

       Ouchie-wawa.

   14. RRRadio Rahim1:06:39

       Yeah. So, that got me outta judo. I love martial arts. Like any kid, uh, at, at my time, I was a m- Bruce Lee fan.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:47

       Yeah.

   16. RRRadio Rahim1:06:47

       Like, big time.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:48

       Of course.

   18. RRRadio Rahim1:06:48

       So then I wanted, uh, Jeet Kune Do where there was no place to learn that, so I tried Taekwondo, and I loved the kicking of it all. But to be honest, I just didn't have the money. Like, my, you know, my mom wasn't gonna be able to afford to send me to any, like, martial arts class and pay for the, the gi and all the stuff, and then I go, uh, consistently.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:12

       Right.

   20. RRRadio Rahim1:07:12

       And so part of it was the money and the other thing was I just wasn't able to be committed enough to make it worth the extra effort to spend that money. Whereas the boxing, it's a poor man's sport. It's like, all you need is some old guy in a neighborhood with a hanging bag.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:27

       Right.

   22. RRRadio Rahim1:07:27

       And a couple of hours on his, uh, uh, sched- schedule every day, and so that ended up being what I did. Uh, I like, I respect the shit outta martial artists, man. I want... Like, the mental, um, focus that it takes and the discipline to stay in a particular style or another is what is more attractive to me, maybe than mixed martial arts. And then that just, might just be because of under- my understanding of it, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:52

       Mm-hmm.

   24. RRRadio Rahim1:07:53

       But what I like about boxing also is the finite nature of it. It's no disrespect to MMA, like, that is a discipline unto itself that I don't have any personal experience with, really. But the, the limited amount of resources that a boxer has, the fewest things you can do, and the other guy has those s- very same few skills. And so that's how I see the science of it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:08:16

       Mm-hmm.

   26. RRRadio Rahim1:08:16

       The chess match, the, the game of millimeters, really, in split seconds 'cause both guys are proficient and they only have these finite amount of tools to work with. The combination of those two things colliding is what really fascinates me about the execution of boxing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:08:32

       That's what fascinates me as well, is specialists.

   28. RRRadio Rahim1:08:35

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:08:35

       People that are doing... Like, that's what fascinates me about watching Jujitsu matches too.

   30. RRRadio Rahim1:08:39

       (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:26:09