Joe Rogan Experience #1815 - The Black Keys

Narrator 0:00 (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And we're up and running. What's up, gentlemen?

Patrick Carney 0:14 What's up?

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's happening?

Patrick Carney 0:14 Good to see you.

Dan Auerbach 0:15 Good to see you, man.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Great to see you guys. First of all, before we even get started, your fucking new album is fantastic.

Patrick Carney 0:20 Thank you. Thank you so much.

Dan Auerbach 0:20 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 0:20 I listened to it at the gym this morning, in fact, right before I got here. It was fucking good, man. It's so- it's classic Black Keys.

Dan Auerbach 0:27 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:27 It's so good.

Dan Auerbach 0:28 Oh, shit, man. Thank you.

Joe Rogan 0:28 You guys consistently make just fucking banging music.

Patrick Carney 0:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 It's so good. It's so consistent. How the fuck are you guys so consistent?

Patrick Carney 0:39 You know, we, we learned to play together, you know, 20, a couple, 23 years ago. I got- I, like, literally started playing drums with him, 'cause before that I was playing guitar, and I guess we just learned how to play together. We have this kind of dynamic, and I think we also have the- very similar tastes. It's all kind of very, it's very... I believe in fate, after meeting, after this-

Dan Auerbach 1:03 Mm-hmm.

Patrick Carney 1:03 ... existence we have, because if it weren't for us growing up a few houses down from each other, we would have never met, and we've become, you know, like, literally like brothers. We have this, we're like... Our, our first record came out 20 years ago, uh, this week, and we've been doing this thing, and it's- it's kind of feels like a dream, you know, when I think back about all the shit we've been through, and... But as far as the consistency, it's like we've always been on the same page. We just wanted to... We were, like, fascinated with albums.

Patrick Carney 1:33 We wanted to make records, and we were, like, you know, two dorks living around the corner from each other who had f- these things called four tracks, you know, like a little cassette, and you could record four different sounds.

Dan Auerbach 1:45 I didn't have one. The first time I saw one was at Pat's.

Patrick Carney 1:48 I had, yeah, I had one. He would come over.

Dan Auerbach 1:49 Blew my mind, man. It was so cool.

Patrick Carney 1:51 You could, like, record guitar, vocals, drums.

Joe Rogan 1:52 What year is this about?

Patrick Carney 1:53 '97.

Joe Rogan 1:55 Oh.

Patrick Carney 1:55 And then we would, like, fuck around on our four track, and I would take it over to his house, his parents' house, and we'd, like, set microphones up in the bathroom and- to get different sounds.

Dan Auerbach 2:05 He just sat on the toilet, put the drums in front of him, use the toilet as the seat. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 2:10 (laughs) Yeah. And, uh, we would just have fun, and then, you know, like, around 2000 and, uh, it was 2001, it was like right around 9/11, I bought this, like, digital 12 track recorder, and it was a big deal 'cause it cost like $1000, and I- I went into debt. And I ran into Dan right around then, we were both like 21, and, uh, I told him about it, and he's like, "You should come record my, uh, you should record my band." He had a bar band, and so, uh, I told him to come over, and, uh, the other dudes just never showed up, and so I was there with this recorder, and he's like, "You should just play the drums," which I didn't really play. And so we set up the mics, and he showed me the songs, and we recorded them real quick. And then, like, I'm- I spent a couple days mixing it, and se- gave him the CD-R, and he's like, "Dude, we should start a band."

Joe Rogan 2:59 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 3:00 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 3:00 And we, we had this friend, our, our, our parents had me- met this guy, like Dan's dad's like a, like a folk art dealer, antiques dealer, and he had discovered this artist in Akron named A- um, Alfred McMor, who was schizophrenic and, and other things. And, uh, his dad used to buy him these scrolls of 50 foot long, five foot wide paper, and this guy would do these crazy crayon and pencil drawings on them. Dan's father would sell them for a couple hundred bucks and give the money to this dude, and he would keep a scroll or two for himself, you know, here and there. But this guy, my dad then was a newspaper journalist and would write stories about this guy. So this guy, Alfred McMor, used to call our parents' houses all the time, and we would come home from, like, school and we'd have these messages like, "This is Alfred McMor. If you don't bring me some pipe tobacco or some Diet Coke, you're a D flat, you're a black key."

Dan Auerbach 3:53 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 3:53 And we'd have hundreds of these messages sometimes, and, uh, we were like, it was like a complete inside joke. So when Dan's like, "We should name the band..." Which we, we started a band, it was like, "We're The Black Keys."

Joe Rogan 4:03 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 4:03 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 4:03 It was like within a second, we had named the band, we sent this thing off, and we got this record deal, and then we got this record deal with a small little label in, um, in LA called Alive! And, uh, they basically said, "If you send us 12 songs, we'll put your record out and we'll send you like 50 copies on vinyl and 200 CDs." And they also sent this little paragraph contract, which is like the most bulletproof contract we've ever signed.

Dan Auerbach 4:27 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 4:27 We can't get out of it. But they kept their end of the bargain. We sent them this record that we made, and that was the thing was we spent like, um, February of 2002 in my basement at this house we lived in, I lived in with some friends, like, it was like a rock 'n roll-

Dan Auerbach 4:45 Richmond Place, Richmond Place.

Patrick Carney 4:46 Yeah, it's this little really shitty house in the ghetto in Akron, um, uh, it was rat infested, and I lived there with some buddies, and I set up in the basement with this recorder, and Dan would come over every day and we would record, try to make this record, try to figure out what a record was. We had no idea w-

Dan Auerbach 5:03 I had, I had to wake him up every day. He slept in. Pat's a good-

Patrick Carney 5:07 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 5:07 Pat sleeps well. I'd always wake up early, so I'd wait till like 10:00 to come over. There were no cell phones. I had to throw the rocks at his window to get him up every day.

Patrick Carney 5:16 Every day.

Dan Auerbach 5:17 Every single-

Patrick Carney 5:17 I'd hear his horn honking (imitates horn) , yelling.

Dan Auerbach 5:20 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 5:20 He'd s- come screaming in, and uh...

Dan Auerbach 5:24 And there was a rat infestation too. We used, we might have to like clean up a rat before we-

Patrick Carney 5:28 Dead rat, yeah.

Dan Auerbach 5:28 ... dead rat before we...

Joe Rogan 5:29 Damn, that many?

Patrick Carney 5:30 It was nuts, man.

Dan Auerbach 5:32 They were in the bottom of the oven.

Patrick Carney 5:34 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 5:34 I guess you guys didn't use the oven much.

Patrick Carney 5:37 Dude, it was nuts. But we had no idea what we were doing and we just kind of knew that we... We knew we wanted to learn how to make the records, we just taught ourselves how to do it. We, 'cause the record deal we got involved us receiving zero money, so we had, we were responsible for us, for ourselves to make this thing. We didn't know how to mix, we didn't know how to do anything. We just guessed, and we sent the thing off, and got these records sent back a few weeks later and...... we were, like, hooked. We were like, at that point, we were, we, we were like, "What do we do? What do we do now?"

Joe Rogan 6:10 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 6:10 Right? And the guy, the guy at Alive who, Patrick, who runs the label was very helpful and was like ... He's French, and I, I can't really do the accent, but he was like, "Eh, man, you got to go on the road, man." And like, he had this, uh, mercenary booking agent book a tour for us. And I just found, like, the original kind of route sheet. It was like two pages of text and it just was basically like, "Leave Akron. Drive to Chicago. Guaranteed money, like $50. Drive to Denver. No guaranteed money. $2 ticket."

Joe Rogan 6:41 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 6:41 It was just basically like, you have to be like-

Joe Rogan 6:44 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 6:44 ... probably slow to do what we did.

Joe Rogan 6:46 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 6:47 And either slow or totally desperate.

Joe Rogan 6:50 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 6:51 And we were probably a little of both. But we went on this tour, and it was like out of a dream, because by the time we go around, we go up like to, to Vancouver and we have these crazy adventure. You know, we have no credit card. We just got a cellphone that was like, were too expensive for us to even use. And we were in this 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager just driving across the country, uh, with just, you know, a, a, a Rand McNally Atlas trying to figure out like how to get to these places.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Yeah, and like MapQuest directions we printed out. I remember those days. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 7:28 (laughs) Remember MapQuest.

Joe Rogan 7:29 And there's always construction- Yep. ... and just totally fucks you up. And you're ... (laughs)

Patrick Carney 7:33 And we were, when we were 22, we were like little kids really, 'cause we were also pretty, I mean, kind of sheltered I think for 22, 'cause ...

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yeah, we'd never really been anywhere. I'd been, I'd been to New York City with my dad at antique shows or something but, I mean, we saw the world together.

Patrick Carney 7:50 Dude. Oh my God, dude.

Joe Rogan 7:51 If you wanna believe in fate, that's a good argument for it.

Patrick Carney 7:54 We showed up to this place on the, like the third day, we show up. We go, drive all the way across the country to, um, Vancouver and we're exhausted. We had to lie to cross the border. We had to say we were there to like record, go to a recording studio, 'cause we couldn't afford a work permit. And, uh, we found this hostel for like $10 a night, and we were like, "Let's, let's stay here." It was ... My brother was with us. So we go in, we pay 30 bucks, and the guy's like, "You want some weed with that?" And these guys bought weed. I don't really smoke weed and, oh my God. We ... I got so high.

Joe Rogan 8:28 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 8:29 It got so apparent I thought we were gonna get murdered in there.

Joe Rogan 8:30 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 8:32 And there's this guy sitting in this little courtyard, right where we checked in. He was wearing like this track suit. He had this like big ball of weed. Huge-

Joe Rogan 8:38 It was like a ball of hashish. It was like hash.

Patrick Carney 8:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:42 It was like clay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about this big, about a softball. Oh my God.

Patrick Carney 8:46 We were just staring-

Joe Rogan 8:47 And then ... (laughs)

Patrick Carney 8:47 ... staring at the wall and smoking the shit, and like that was like around 11:00 AM. At like 3:00 AM we get back to the thing. H- the ball's now like the size of a marble.

Joe Rogan 8:55 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 8:55 He's just like ... I was like ... And that, and that's when I smoked weed. I was like, "That guy down there, like he's-"

Joe Rogan 8:59 He's gonna kill us. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 9:00 "He's gonna fucking come up here."

Joe Rogan 9:02 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 9:02 Have you, have you ever seen the Woody Allen movie, uh, Take the Money and Run?

Joe Rogan 9:04 Yes.

Patrick Carney 9:05 All right, his apartment, that's the room we stayed in with like the water stains in the sink off the wall.

Joe Rogan 9:09 (laughs) Right.

Patrick Carney 9:09 That's what the fucking place looked like.

Joe Rogan 9:11 Oh, man. It's gnarly.

Patrick Carney 9:12 Dude.

Joe Rogan 9:12 It's so cool to tell that story though, isn't it now after all the success you guys have had, to be able to have a story like that? I mean, that's-

Patrick Carney 9:19 Dude, that whole, that whole tour is just stories like that, 'cause like-

Joe Rogan 9:21 Every night was something ridiculous. That's rock and roll though, right? That's the story.

Patrick Carney 9:25 Dude, the, the next night, the next night we played this place in Seattle called Chop Suey! and, uh, it was crazy. It was like couple hundred people showed up. And it, that was shocking. You know, like what the fuck? People know who we are in Seattle? They didn't know who we were even in Akron, like ...

Joe Rogan 9:39 How'd they know who you were in Seattle?

Patrick Carney 9:40 There was a LA Weekly or a Seattle Weekly write-up.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Ah.

Patrick Carney 9:43 Or a Stranger write-up. We got a weekly write-up and it was filled out. We, we got couple hundred ... We got like 500 bucks and, um, I was freaking out like, "Oh my ..." 'Cause like that was enough money to get us home. And I was like-

Joe Rogan 9:56 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 9:56 ... "I'm gonna sleep in the van tonight," like-

Joe Rogan 9:58 Guard the money.

Patrick Carney 9:58 ... to, to guard the money. Uh, you guys go, 'cause ... And like they went to a party and I woke up at like, you know, 2:30 in the morning to the sound of like all these dudes outside the van. I'm like, "What the fuck? What the fuck's going on?" I look out and there's this like 25 people in Santa Claus outfits and I'm like, "What the fuck-"

Joe Rogan 10:17 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:17 ... "is fucking going on?"

Joe Rogan 10:18 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:18 I was like, "What am I gonna do?"

Joe Rogan 10:20 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:20 And I was like ... And I had to pee so bad. I was like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 10:23 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:23 "I have to pee and there's all these fucking Santa Claus ..." I'm like fr- losing my mind. And I like, I tried, I pee in this Gatorade bottle but I get piss all over the van.

Joe Rogan 10:33 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:33 And I just like chuck it out the door, close the door. I'm like, "What the fuck?" And I, the whole night I'm just like trembling, like, "What the fuck is going on?"

Joe Rogan 10:42 (sniffs)

Patrick Carney 10:42 I wake up the next day and it's like, it was like a gay bar called like The Manhole and they were having like a Christmas in July party. So it was like that's what was going on. I was just like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 10:51 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 10:52 Uh, insanity dude, but yeah. I mean ... (sighs)

Joe Rogan 10:55 When you u- when you think back about it now, it, it really, it must seem like fate. Like, uh, the, just the circumstances of you guys meeting, the fact that the rest of the band didn't show up, the fact that you guys lived right down the street from each other, and the way you guys get along together and make music. I mean, it's, it's pretty fucking incredible. Yeah, the older we get, the more, the more I think we appreciate it, you know?

Patrick Carney 11:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 11:20 It's like, it feels like everything's changed around us. Everything's changed in life in general, but like when we get together in the studio, it's the same. Well, it feels the same as a fan. That's what's amazing. (clears throat) Like you sent me the link to the, the new album. Does it come out today? When does it come out?

Patrick Carney 11:40 It comes out May 13th.

Joe Rogan 11:41 What's today, the 9th? Yeah. Yeah. Um, when you sent me the link to it, as soon as it started, I'm like, "Yeah, Black Keys." (laughs) Like right away. Like your music is s- it's so recognizable. You know, uh, my friend Ari turned me onto you guys. I forget what year it was, but, uh, you know, he knows I love like John Lee Hooker and a lot of ... I love a lot of like old blues guys. And he goes, "Dude, you're gonna fucking love these guys." And, uh, I've just been a gigantic fan ever since. I rem- I wish I could remember the first song I listened to, but I don't.... but, uh, your music is so consistent and it's not like a lot of the stuff that's out there. It's very uniquely your own. And I don't know how you guys are doing that. Oh, what is this? 2012.

Patrick Carney 12:30 All right.

Joe Rogan 12:32 Okay, but I think I'd already heard of you guys before, before 10 Cent Pistol. That is, uh, that was just someone put it on the jukebox.

Dan Auerbach 12:38 I was just checking it.

Patrick Carney 12:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:39 That's the cool thing about, like, uh, you know, seeing people discover our band, you know. Like, I always, I always look, think back to that first record and be like, oh, yeah, this would be... You know, if I was 15 years old and I f-... Like, discovered our band, knowing that that first record was, like, this homemade thing. Like, you know, you could, you c-... You know, I think that we kinda have the... Our story's kind of, like, you know, it's like American dream band type of situation. Like two dudes who grew up on the same street, uh, who got bullied by the same guy, and traded baseball cards with each other, like, start this band. And now, you know, you can see, like, that first record's like a testament to us learning how to do it. You know, 'cause it's so raw and lo-fi and fucked up. Sometimes that's really cool, though.

Patrick Carney 13:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Like, there is this guy who lives in Canada. God damn it, what is his fucking name? We- we've talked about him before.

Dan Auerbach 13:34 The singer?

Joe Rogan 13:34 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 13:35 Culture War?

Joe Rogan 13:35 What's that?

Dan Auerbach 13:36 Culture War?

Joe Rogan 13:36 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Dan Auerbach 13:38 Oh.

Joe Rogan 13:38 He's this really weird guy who, uh, wears dresses and shit, and sings in his basement. And he set up a, he set up a fucking, like, a, like, a curtain and put, like, an old VHS tape and made his own videos.

Patrick Carney 13:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:54 And, uh, like, he's... One of his songs is called Really Big Cock.

Patrick Carney 13:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:59 And he's, he's either gay or he's bisexual. He's like, he cross-dresses. But his stuff is, like, really fucking interesting, but it's super, like, low budget.

Patrick Carney 14:12 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Sounds terrible. Like, uh, there's, nothing sounds crisp and clean. But there's some character to that.

Patrick Carney 14:18 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:18 The fact that the way he does it that way. God damn it.

Patrick Carney 14:21 I think that, that was the biggest-

Joe Rogan 14:22 It's, it's one name. It's at the, on the tip of my tongue. I've, I've got...

Dan Auerbach 14:25 I think I just got it.

Joe Rogan 14:26 You got it? (snaps fingers)

Dan Auerbach 14:26 Tonetta? Tonetta?

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yes. Tonetta.

Patrick Carney 14:28 I never heard of him.

Joe Rogan 14:29 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 14:29 Don't know.

Joe Rogan 14:30 See if you can find, see if you can find Really Big Cock, the video, 'cause it's actually good music.

Dan Auerbach 14:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:35 Like, the guy... And I think the guy was like, if I wanted a... I think he worked in a computer store or something like that. And, like, this was some shit he did on the side.

Patrick Carney 14:43 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:43 And it was an interview he did where his, uh, his... Yeah, this is it. Give me some volume on this.

Narrator 14:50 (instrumental music playing) Got a really, really, really, really, really, really, really nice cock.

Joe Rogan 14:59 (laughs)

Narrator 14:59 The kind that will make love rock. It's thick, it's long.

Patrick Carney 15:05 (laughs)

Narrator 15:06 It's well hung. It's a really, really, really, really, really, really, really nice one. Got a really, really, really, really, really, really, really sweet snap to make love, to make love last. It sustains, remains in position. To fulfill its intended mission.

Joe Rogan 15:29 (laughs)

Narrator 15:29 Got a really, really, really, really, really, really, really sweet treat. It'll put your whole room into heat. If you've got the room and I got the meat.

Joe Rogan 15:40 (laughs)

Narrator 15:41 It's a really, really, really, really, really, really, really sweet treat.

Patrick Carney 15:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:45 Come on, man.

Narrator 15:45 It's a really, really, really, really, really, really, really-

Dan Auerbach 15:46 Dude, it feels like-

Joe Rogan 15:46 It's cool, right?

Dan Auerbach 15:47 ... it feels like he's got a girl down in a well right next to him.

Joe Rogan 15:50 (laughs) Give me a little more volume.

Dan Auerbach 15:52 You know what I'm saying?

Joe Rogan 15:52 Keep it on in the background a little bit.

Narrator 15:54 And when she's done for the night-

Joe Rogan 15:54 But you know what I'm saying? It's like, I listen to this in the car sometimes. Like, when I'm driving around and it's on one of my playlists. When I'm driving by myself, I like this song.

Dan Auerbach 16:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:03 You know, but it's like, you look at this, this guy made this for zero money. He has... I mean, I don't know what he's using. This is like fucking Windows 98.

Patrick Carney 16:12 Have you ever, have you ever heard of the band The Shaggs?

Joe Rogan 16:14 No.

Patrick Carney 16:15 Okay. Well, my uncle Ralph, uh, was a musician. He was really, like, avant-garde.

Joe Rogan 16:21 Dan, you want some Tyson weed?

Dan Auerbach 16:22 I'll give it a shot.

Joe Rogan 16:23 Yeah, I knew you would.

Patrick Carney 16:24 You can give it a shot.

Joe Rogan 16:24 I knew you would.

Dan Auerbach 16:25 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 16:26 Um, he put... My uncle played with Tom Waits for years and he played saxophone. He was into really weird stuff. But when I was a teenager, he showed... He introduced... I went to visit him in San Francisco, and he w- introduced me to all this weird music for the first time. And he's like... He played me this record by the ban-... This band called The Shaggs, and they have a record called Philosophy of the World. And it's three sisters who absolutely can't play music or write music or sing.

Joe Rogan 16:50 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 16:50 And their dad, like, wanted to start, like, a girl band with them. So he paid to, like, record them, and they made this legendary outsider record, uh, that, you know, it's like, the songs...

Joe Rogan 17:02 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 17:02 Yeah, there they are. This-

Joe Rogan 17:03 Damn.

Patrick Carney 17:03 It's, it's, it's kind of, it's amazing. I guess, like, Frank Zappa famously said it was, like, his favorite band or something. But that's, uh-

Joe Rogan 17:11 Shit, let's hear it.

Narrator 17:12 Oh, the rich people want what the poor people got.

Patrick Carney 17:16 (laughs) They all have this thick, uh, New England accent.

Narrator 17:20 And the poor people want what the rich people got. And the skinny people want what the fat people got.

Patrick Carney 17:26 (laughs)

Narrator 17:26 And the fat people want what the skinny people got.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Holy fuck.

Patrick Carney 17:32 I mean, it's kind of truly American folk music, really.

Joe Rogan 17:35 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 17:35 It's like, it's like, compared to some of the blue stuff that, you know, Dan and I listen to, which is also self-taught, like, some of it kind of insane.

Dan Auerbach 17:43 Very similar.

Patrick Carney 17:44 Yeah, it's very similar. This guy-

Dan Auerbach 17:46 We ran into some weird shit.

Patrick Carney 17:47 There's this guy named Sydel Davis that Dan used to listen to a lot. He had polio and he, like, taught himself how to play guitar with a butter knife and, I mean it-

Dan Auerbach 17:54 His fingers were all curled up, so he'd stick a butter knife and he'd slide it up and down and he's... He-

Joe Rogan 17:59 Oh, wow.

Dan Auerbach 17:59 He had, like, one finger that he could pluck with.

Joe Rogan 18:01 Do you have arthritis? Like, heavy arthritis or something?

Patrick Carney 18:04 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 18:04 I, I don't know.

Patrick Carney 18:04 But polio.

Dan Auerbach 18:05 Oh, polio.

Patrick Carney 18:06 Just... Oh, yeah, polio.

Dan Auerbach 18:06 Oh, he had polio and he was trampled in a, like, a, in a bar raid.

Patrick Carney 18:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:12 Oh, whoa, look at this. This is crazy. Let me hear this.

Narrator 18:16 (piano music plays)

Dan Auerbach 18:16 He's amazing.

Narrator 18:17 Well, all right. Uh, see, that one bounced back in my head for you like this. (piano music plays)

18:30 You know I ain't did no good. Man said they dropped the atom bomb. It's a old song that I put together on back when I was 18 years old. You told, you told Hitler about Tokyo Rose. You know I love that woman. She bout to put on the other door. I shoulda known. Yeah. Baby, I just can't help your love. Wow.

Joe Rogan 19:13 That's wild.

Narrator 19:14 You know we ain't did no good.

Joe Rogan 19:17 It's wild to see him play with that butter knife too.

Narrator 19:19 Man says they dropped that atom bomb.

Dan Auerbach 19:23 He's got a record called The Horror of it All. It's so good.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Ooh (laughs) .

Patrick Carney 19:27 Yeah (laughs) .

Dan Auerbach 19:28 It's like-

Joe Rogan 19:28 Just to hear-

Dan Auerbach 19:29 ... 20 years old and riding around listening to that record.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Damn. Damn. I- I listen to, uh, Robert Johnson sometimes. Like every now and then I'll go and try to listen to the or- original recordings. (clears throat) And you get- you know, it's hard because you gotta kinda put yourself in the mindset of people that lived at that time.

Patrick Carney 19:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 19:47 It's kinda like listening to Lenny Bruce records. Like if you wanna listen to Lenny Bruce, it doesn't make too much sense today. (clears throat) You gotta kinda like pretend-

Patrick Carney 19:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:57 ... gotta put yourself in the mindset of someone living in 1963.

Patrick Carney 19:59 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:00 You know, you have to like figure out how like, what was this like for them? Like this was groundbreaking.

Patrick Carney 20:06 Yeah, we played a Lenny Bruce, uh... It was like... I think it was li-... Was at like a ACLU benefit celebrating Lenny Bruce like 18 years ago but, uh, they gave us each a box set of his stuff and it was... Yeah, it was amazing. But yeah, I don't think... I don't think it translates super well.

Joe Rogan 20:25 No it- it doesn't because the- the culture is... Everything he's saying is almost like so accepted now.

Patrick Carney 20:31 Yeah, yeah. He was like... Yeah it was-

Joe Rogan 20:33 He was just so far ahead of his time that when he was saying it back then, it was just groundbreaking.

Patrick Carney 20:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:38 But it's almost like (clears throat) that's the same thing about like Robert Johnson's music. You'll listen to the original recordings. I mean they, they th-... He was so revolutionary, there- there was people that thought he sold his soul. I mean, that's like the famous myth of- of Robert Johnson is he sold his soul to the devil to be able to play like that.

Patrick Carney 20:55 Yeah. And he got-

Dan Auerbach 20:56 Big story.

Patrick Carney 20:57 Also, it's the best story.

Dan Auerbach 20:57 Talk about fate though, I mean, he didn't have official recording session. I mean, it was like a guy in town who brought a f-... A, like a field recording set up. I mean, so it's just fate that he walked in the door. No one's got any- any like photos really. There's like four photographs of the guy.

Joe Rogan 21:13 Wow.

Patrick Carney 21:13 Three photos. Is the legend that Robert Lockwood Jr.'s his son or grandson?

Dan Auerbach 21:18 No, I can't remember.

Patrick Carney 21:19 Cousin or something?

Dan Auerbach 21:20 Some relation.

Patrick Carney 21:21 Didn't he die... Didn't... Wasn't he poisoned?

Dan Auerbach 21:23 That's what they say, yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:25 (inhales deeply) Damn.

Dan Auerbach 21:26 They say that he was crawling around on his hands and knees before he died, like a dog.

Patrick Carney 21:30 Like a Russian politician.

Dan Auerbach 21:31 That's what they say.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Ooh.

Dan Auerbach 21:32 'Cause he been poisoned.

Patrick Carney 21:34 Fucking insane.

Joe Rogan 21:35 That's a rough way to go. Oof.

Dan Auerbach 21:38 But think about if that guy had not been there in the building with the recorder, we'd never woulda heard him.

Joe Rogan 21:43 Yeah. Do you think there was-

Dan Auerbach 21:43 Think about how many other people like Robert Johnson were out there just playing.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you.

Dan Auerbach 21:47 Just killing it-

Joe Rogan 21:48 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 21:48 ... in every city they went to. He was dressed to the nines everywhere he went, just dapper as hell.

Patrick Carney 21:53 There's a... When we- we made this record that came out last year called Delta Cream and, uh, it's a blues... It's a blues album and we just... (clears throat) It's all Mis- Mississippi, uh, hill country blues which is this, a style of blues that Dan and I've been into. And that's kinda what we first bonded over was this, there's this guy named, uh, R. L. Burnside and, um, when we first kind of realized that we, that, that we both liked the same kind of music it was ki- kind of through this guy. Because I was listening to this band called John Spencer & The Blues Explosion and they made a record with this dude, R. L. Burnside and Dan was listening to R. L. as well and all this other stuff that was on this label called Fat Possum that we ended up signing to years later but, um... We basically made a tribute to that music. It came out last year and part of the promo stuff was one of the... The only thing we could do during COVID was we drove down to Bentonia, Mississippi and we played a show at like the oldest continually operated, uh, juke joint called The Blue Front Café.

Joe Rogan 22:56 Wow.

Patrick Carney 22:57 It was amazing.

Dan Auerbach 22:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:58 When was it established?

Patrick Carney 23:00 Late 40s.

Dan Auerbach 23:01 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 23:02 Pew.

Joe Rogan 23:02 (clears throat) Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 23:04 Yeah, the guy who runs it, Jimmy Duck Holmes, I did a record with him. He's a great musician but his mom and dad opened it and he-

Joe Rogan 23:10 Wow.

Dan Auerbach 23:10 ... he- it was handed to him.

Joe Rogan 23:11 Could you imagine going into a time machine and getting dropped off in 1940 and watching music in that place?

Dan Auerbach 23:18 I mean, that's sort of what it's like when you walk in.

Patrick Carney 23:20 If you, if you go there you've, you're stepping back in time. It's crazy and the... (blows air) Like that's, yeah, that's where we played.

Joe Rogan 23:25 That's it. Wow, you guys played there. That's crazy.

Patrick Carney 23:27 We showed up at, we showed up at like noon and like there was multiple people who had their pants already pissed. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:35 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 23:35 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 23:35 Seriously. Just so drunk. Belligerent. And it- it was funny 'cause I was like, "What?" I was like, "We don't even play till later." Like, "What's gonna happen?" And then-

Joe Rogan 23:44 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 23:44 ... uh, the people that were that drunk that early, they got so drunk that they got sober again somehow. They had drank themselves through it and then they-

Dan Auerbach 23:50 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 23:51 They were the ones... They were just completely coherent playing music at like midnight. It was amazing.

Dan Auerbach 23:56 (laughs) Wow.

Patrick Carney 23:56 Yeah. But to think that those, those types of places were all over Mississippi, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:01 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 24:02 Like not too long ago. Now there's, there are very few of them and there's like a couple.

Joe Rogan 24:07 What... I mean, it seems like live music is something that people always love though so if you establish a culture of live music in an area, I wonder what makes that slip away like that?

Dan Auerbach 24:17 Music goes out of fashion, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:19 How is that possible? It's- it's the thing that... It's the most like a drug of any form of entertainment.... does music can put you into a, uh, happy mindset-

Dan Auerbach 24:28 Oh, I don't mean music in general. I just mean that style of music.

Joe Rogan 24:32 But I mean even, even that style. Well, I just, I always get confused when things that are really awesome lose popularity in an area while generally being still appreciated by anybody who hears them everywhere else. Like, in an ar- like, in the age of the internet, you would think, like, you would see, start seeing more places start. Because people really, if you go to see live music, it's fucking cool. And if you've never seen it and you only get it on video, you're really only getting, like, 60% of it or 70% of it.

Dan Auerbach 24:59 Oh, it's life changing. Oh, yeah.

Patrick Carney 25:01 It's-

Joe Rogan 25:01 Yeah, being there is an- there's an extra element, right?

Dan Auerbach 25:03 Oh, yeah.

Patrick Carney 25:03 It doesn't... Music doesn't translate through a TV. I mean, I don't think so.

Joe Rogan 25:08 It's different.

Patrick Carney 25:09 It's-

Joe Rogan 25:09 It does work though. I mean, think of how many people never see you guys live but still love you. So it does work. The music does go through. But there's something about live that's, like, transformative. It's like you, it's like a drug. It's like, if, if a musician is on stage and they're nailing it and, and the crowd is all in, like, everybody's, like, synced in together, you know? And it's just, you leave there, you feel better. You literally feel like you just went through something, like, "Whoo, that was great."

Dan Auerbach 25:35 Absolutely. Spiritual.

Joe Rogan 25:37 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 25:37 Saw Link Wray, it felt like that.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Mm-hmm.

Dan Auerbach 25:39 He, he walked on stage, he was in his 70s, they had to help him put his guitar on.

Joe Rogan 25:44 Damn.

Dan Auerbach 25:44 Um, and then he just ripped the whole fucking place apart. And everybody was going crazy.

Patrick Carney 25:49 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 25:49 Begging for an encore and he never came back. It was amazing.

Patrick Carney 25:53 Yeah, I mean-

Dan Auerbach 25:53 And that stuck with me forever.

Patrick Carney 25:54 Nothing kind of quite can rip your face off than being in the same room with, with, yeah, like, a great band.

Joe Rogan 26:02 I was on, uh, news radio with Phil Hartman, and when Phil Hartman was, uh, I think he was 19, he worked at the, uh, The Whisky as, like, some sort of a, like, a kid that was, like, helping them make sure that speakers didn't fall off, like stagehands, some type of deal. And Hendrix was there.

Patrick Carney 26:19 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 26:20 So he's standing like this where the speaker is-

Dan Auerbach 26:23 Over the p-

Joe Rogan 26:23 ... holding the speaker-

Patrick Carney 26:24 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 26:24 ... so that Hendrix doesn't kick it over. Just gotta make sure, because it's kind of flimsy. And Hendrix is on stage wailing-

Patrick Carney 26:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:31 ... just, like, feet from him.

Patrick Carney 26:33 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 26:33 And, and, and he would talk about that. And P- Phil liked to get high and fucking tell you stories like that. And he was just so good at them. He would just drag you into that moment. He was, like, explaining what it was like.

Patrick Carney 26:45 Wow.

Joe Rogan 26:45 He goes, "I was 19. And I'm looking up and Hendrix is right there." And he's, "Hendrix at his prime," he was like, "was the greatest expression of guitar maybe the world had ever seen." And he's there at this moment just "wham." And Phil's a kid just staring up watching this.

Patrick Carney 27:04 That, of all the, like... I, I rarely watch, like, music on YouTube, but when it, you know, when I do, it's, like, someone like Hendrix. And that stuff always blows my mind. I mean-

Joe Rogan 27:14 It blows your mind if he lived today.

Patrick Carney 27:17 Hartman also did a bunch of record covers.

Joe Rogan 27:19 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 27:19 Didn't he do, like, Steely Dan Aja or something? He did-

Joe Rogan 27:22 Something like that. I have one of his records, uh, that-

Dan Auerbach 27:24 He did? What do you mean?

Joe Rogan 27:25 ... out there.

Patrick Carney 27:25 His record company had one?

Joe Rogan 27:26 He was an artist.

Dan Auerbach 27:27 Oh, I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 27:28 Yeah, he was a graphic artist before he was, like, a sketch comedian.

Dan Auerbach 27:32 That's amazing.

Patrick Carney 27:32 Oh my God, dude, he's so funny. That, that, the, uh, the skit, the Saturday Night Live skit, um, the Mr. Belvedere Fan Club.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 27:39 Have you ever seen that? (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 27:41 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 27:41 To this day, I, like you, I reference that quite a bit. I actually met Colin Hanks by referencing that.

Joe Rogan 27:46 Does anybody want any, anybody want any coffee?

Dan Auerbach 27:48 I'll have a little bit.

Joe Rogan 27:49 Yeah, he was a super fucking talented guy.

Dan Auerbach 27:52 Did he do that? Yeah. Wow. That's a big record.

Joe Rogan 27:55 Yeah. Wow. Pat, you want any coffee?

Dan Auerbach 27:58 That's crazy, I never, I never knew that.

Patrick Carney 27:59 No, I'm gonna...

Joe Rogan 27:59 No, he was a super talented guy. He was actually, before... I have that, I have that album. Like, uh, we framed it and put it on the wall. That was another Phil Hartman artwork. Um, but he wanted to do standup. He was talking about doing standup.

Dan Auerbach 28:13 So cool.

Joe Rogan 28:14 He was, uh, warming up the crowd. He would, like, do a little standup for the crowd when we were doing the show. But anyway, the point is, like, just imagine being there live-

Patrick Carney 28:23 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 28:24 ... that young and seeing Hendrix. And being in a position, like, how do you get, like, feet away from him while you're literally, like, holding onto a speaker? You're just, he's right there. You could touch him.

Patrick Carney 28:35 When we were first touring, the, um, we kind of got, we got befriended by some music journalists. That's kind of our little network that we would hang out with when we were on tour, was like, you know, hipster writers who liked our band. And, um, this one guy, Jay Babcock, uh, we, we stayed at his house wh- when we were in LA. Like, 2000, early 2003. And, uh, he had a whole box of VHS concerts and stuff. And he busted out this, uh, Black Sabbath Live in Paris, 1970. And I mean, to the... I think it's the best concert footage I've ever seen. And it, I don't, they've never officially released the whole thing, but it's the best concert I've ever seen.

Joe Rogan 29:17 Wow.

Patrick Carney 29:17 And, um, it's absolutely mind-blowing. Yeah. There's a couple songs from it on YouTube, but they haven't... But he had the whole concert and it was, like, up for French TV, and amazing. But you can see a young Ozzy just, like, really just with it and just stoic. See that head banging and not moving, just banging his head? And the drummer, Bill Ward's just going off.

Dan Auerbach 29:38 Bill Ward is insane in this show. And he keeps his extra drumsticks in his, in his, uh, belt loop in his jeans, and it's just-

Patrick Carney 29:45 Oh, this is-

Joe Rogan 29:45 Give me some of this, Jamie.

Narrator 29:46 I tell you to end your life. I wish I could but it's too late.

Dan Auerbach 29:53 Damn!

Patrick Carney 29:54 Oh, dude, it's so good.

Joe Rogan 29:59 Fuck!

Patrick Carney 29:59 This is the kind of thing that would just give me a complex watching it 'cause...

Narrator 30:03 Thank you. Good evening from Black Sabbath. Thank you. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 30:06 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Damn. Clap if you count- Ozzy's been through the fucking ringer.

Patrick Carney 30:12 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 30:13 All right, now...

Joe Rogan 30:14 You, when you realize what he was like at one point in time-

Narrator 30:17 ... the light is gonna fade.

Joe Rogan 30:17 ... and you see what he's like now.

Patrick Carney 30:18 Oh, if you fast-forward three years-

Narrator 30:20 I want everyone to clap-

Patrick Carney 30:20 ... um, they play a concert, um, at a speedway in California, like, '73-And, uh, you can see the drugs has already ... Did their thing.

Joe Rogan 30:32 That dude went hard.

Patrick Carney 30:33 So check it out. Fast-forward to the ab- uh, Black Sabbath at the speedway in 1973. He's wearing this (laughs) crazy outfit so on speed.

Joe Rogan 30:41 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 30:41 It's like ay, ay, ay. It's a three-year- three years later, just gone.

Joe Rogan 30:47 (sighs) Fuck.

Patrick Carney 30:48 But yeah, that, those, they had, they made like six insane records in th- four or five years.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Yeah, the lifestyle was just too much.

Patrick Carney 30:55 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 30:55 It was too much. That, well, that was, uh, uh, do you think that people really knew like the long-term effects of speed back then? It seems like they didn't. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 31:05 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 31:06 It seems like-

Dan Auerbach 31:06 (laughs) I don't think so.

Patrick Carney 31:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:07 ... it wasn't around before that, right?

Dan Auerbach 31:08 I don't think they cared to.

Patrick Carney 31:09 What, wasn't Hitler on speed? Did he-

Joe Rogan 31:11 Yes.

Dan Auerbach 31:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 You ever see the video?

Patrick Carney 31:12 No.

Joe Rogan 31:13 At the m- I think it was the 1936 Olympics. I forgot what year it is, but it's before World War II had officially kicked off. He's got the, the Nazi outfit on, and he's n- nodding back and forth and moving his hands like he could barely keep it together.

Patrick Carney 31:25 (laughs) Oh, god.

Joe Rogan 31:25 See if you can find it. It's, it's crazy to watch. He looks so cracked out, and this was the guy that started the fucking war. This is World War II from this fucking asshole. Look at him. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 31:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:37 Isn't that wild?

Dan Auerbach 31:39 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 31:40 Look at him tweaking.

Patrick Carney 31:41 Ay, ay, ay.

Joe Rogan 31:42 He's tweaking so hard. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 31:43 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 31:43 He's like I don't, I don't need ... He doesn't even need binoculars. Everybody else needs binoculars. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 31:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:47 I mean, that is crazy. When you look at him compared to everybody around him.

Patrick Carney 31:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:52 That's just wild, man.

Patrick Carney 31:54 So fucked up.

Joe Rogan 31:55 And what's crazy is like World War II was almost an amphetamine-driven war.

Patrick Carney 32:02 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:02 From kamikaze pilots, that was the thing that they had given them, wasn't it? Is that a myth? That's not, that's not a myth, is it? Kamikaze pilot to meth? I think it's real, right? Didn't we look that up once? They'd meth 'em up and get them to fucking slam-

Patrick Carney 32:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 ... their planes into boats.

Patrick Carney 32:21 Ay, ay, ay, man.

Joe Rogan 32:22 That was like the early days of speed, though, when those guys were doing it. I don't know if everybody knew, like what, how bad that was gonna wreck you.

Patrick Carney 32:30 It's responsible for a lot of terrible music.

Joe Rogan 32:32 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 32:32 That's for sure.

Patrick Carney 32:33 It really is. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:34 There it is. For worker soldiers, taking methamphetamine was a patriotic duty that hooked a generation. So they made the fucking country take meth.

Dan Auerbach 32:45 (laughs) Holy fuck.

Joe Rogan 32:47 Holy fuck. I did not know that. That's insane. In fact, this is fucking wild.

Patrick Carney 32:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:55 So, th- th- s- s- they, they made the whole fucking country do it for their patriotic duty. Wow.

Patrick Carney 33:02 What?

Joe Rogan 33:02 The result of the state promoting it during the war, and th- that is fucking crazy.

Patrick Carney 33:09 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 33:10 Well, they figured out when you're methed up, you're not thinking straight, and this is the best way to control a population. It's, uh ...

Patrick Carney 33:16 I, I, I never really fucked with that kind of stuff, but one time I was partying in New York, this was probably 10 years ago, and a friend of mine was like, it was like 4:00 in the morning, and we were on tour, and someone was like, "You should take, have some of this Adderall." I wa- and I said, "Sure." They put some in my drink, and I was up till 5:00, like, p.m. the next day watching the news just so focused.

Joe Rogan 33:40 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 33:40 Like, I was like, "Fuck, that, wait, that's ... You can get a prescription for that drug?" (laughs) I was like-

Joe Rogan 33:46 That's a lot of people, right?

Patrick Carney 33:47 I mean, dude, it real- I'm really sensitive to that stuff, and I was like, I felt crazy. I was at the airpo- I was at LaGuardia like nodding off, like I looked like junkie. I was like, "This is crazy." Like that really, it took me from being totally at a place where I should've been going to bed to up for a whole nother basically day.

Joe Rogan 34:05 (sighs) How much does it wreck you after it's over, though?

Patrick Carney 34:09 I mean, I s- I don't know. I think, uh, I'm just so sensitive to it that the next day I, I slept the whole night, and I was like, "I'll never touch that stuff again."

Joe Rogan 34:17 And you were on a low dose? Is it a normal dose? Do you know?

Patrick Carney 34:20 I think I took 30 milligrams.

Joe Rogan 34:22 What's a normal one? Do you know?

Patrick Carney 34:23 I think some people take that every day.

Joe Rogan 34:25 Jesus.

Patrick Carney 34:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:27 How much of the way you see like online fighting, and bickering, and, and just the, the chaos of right versus left is driven by that?

Patrick Carney 34:36 I think a lot.

Joe Rogan 34:37 I bet a lot.

Patrick Carney 34:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:38 I bet a lot. I bet there's a lot of people that are medicated out there. I'd be, I bet we'd all be shocked.

Patrick Carney 34:44 You know, that's, yeah, the whole fighting online. As I g- yeah, as our, uh, we really s- uh, you know, our ads, when we put a new song up, I'd, I'll, I'll like look to see, you know, the comments on YouTube. Of course, you know, I'll shave off like the worst 5% and the best 5%. But still, you can't help but be rattled by just like, like just what drives someone to just be a complete dickhead (laughs) for no reason online.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah. There's plenty of them.

Patrick Carney 35:12 Oh my god. It's what, it's like what the internet has become is just like... And like Twitter is the worst. I stopped, I, I stopped enjoying it like a dec- like a decade ago. I, I accidentally got into like a Twitter spat with Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga's friend.

Joe Rogan 35:25 Oh, that's right. I remember that. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 35:26 And it was like, I was like, "Oh, this is funny. This is funny." And then I, and then I realized like, "Oh, this is, this isn't, this isn't, this isn't fun, honestly." Like-

Joe Rogan 35:36 Like too much negativity.

Patrick Carney 35:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:38 So many people, that's, that's where they dwell most of the time, and it can trap you. And you can think that it's your duty to engage in this, you know? That you're writing, uh, you're, uh, doing activism or something.

Patrick Carney 35:48 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:49 Just being shitty to people.

Patrick Carney 35:50 Just being a dick. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:51 (laughs) There's just so many, there's so many people just being shitty to people in that form, in a way that you would like never want to be in real life. Like you, you'd have to be a terrible person to just say to a person that you don't even know some of the things that people will type out on Twitter.

Patrick Carney 36:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:05 Right?

Patrick Carney 36:06 Yeah. (laughs) I don't-

Dan Auerbach 36:07 And it's not even th- it's, it's also the total opposite, the fake niceness.

Joe Rogan 36:10 Sure.

Dan Auerbach 36:11 Saying how great everything is.

Patrick Carney 36:13 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 36:13 You know, praising everyone for all this like-

Joe Rogan 36:15 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 36:16 ... ordinary shit.

Patrick Carney 36:17 (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 36:18 Do you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 36:20 (laughs) Yeah, there's a lot of that, too. There's a lot of like weirdne- weirdness where people find these little tribes of people that think very similar to them, and there's ƒ-

Dan Auerbach 36:29 I mean, we were talking earlier, it's like-

Joe Rogan 36:30 ... ƒ- fucking go.

Dan Auerbach 36:30 ... I got a 14-year-old girl, and I worry so much about her with, with social media and how just-

Patrick Carney 36:36 ... what she thinks of everyday, normal life. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah. It's, it's rough on kids. They've-

Patrick Carney 36:42 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 ... they've shown, you know, these, um... Jonathan Haidt has a great book about it called the Coddling of the American Mind. They show the uptick in girl's self-harm, suicide and self-harm-

Patrick Carney 36:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:52 ... that is directly connected to social media, correlated at least, 'cause it's all the same timeframe. It's like right around the time the iPhone comes out, right around the time when people had internet access on their phone.

Patrick Carney 37:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:03 And we use... And then they started using apps, whenever that was, and you know, what is, like, online dating like for people either when you're just swiping right and swiping left to meet people? Tell me that can't get addictive.

Patrick Carney 37:14 Oh, like-

Joe Rogan 37:14 That must be addictive, right?

Patrick Carney 37:16 I don't know. Yesterday-

Joe Rogan 37:17 Could only imagine.

Patrick Carney 37:17 ... I had a friend who sent a dick pic to somebody he met on Tinder, and then they tried to get 15 grand off him. (laughs)

Narrator 37:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:26 (laughs) That seems like a bargain if it's so stupid. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 37:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:31 That was hilarious. It's like, you know, I, I wouldn't wanna be a kid today, but I guess everyone's always said that. That's the thing too. It's like-

Patrick Carney 37:38 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 37:39 ... if you went back to, like, the 1930s, you're probably like, "Oh, I wouldn't wanna be a kid today with all the cars, back when I was a boy." You know, that's... It's been our, our thought always. We've always looked, you know, at our... Of the next generation coming up, thinking, "Oh, boy, I wouldn't wanna be you today. I had it easier."

Patrick Carney 37:56 When we were making this album, it was like the first time I'd really socialized outside my house in, in a year, 'cause we were pretty, you know-

Joe Rogan 38:04 Locked down.

Patrick Carney 38:05 Locked down. So we would... It was a lot of fun. We'd go to Dan's studio and just, like, shoot the shit, and, um, you know, tell stories 'cause we went to the same high school. And there are a lot of stories, a lot... just insane stories from high school, how fun it was, how crazy. But we were kind of, like, the last generation or close to it, you know, pre-cell phone, pre-social media.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Mm-hmm.

Patrick Carney 38:27 You know, I mean, we used to see, like, the girls at our school, the Black girls specifically, would get into these fights that were just so epic that... I mean, it would just... It was rattling. I saw this girl just get thrown through the trophy case.

Joe Rogan 38:42 Oh, shit.

Patrick Carney 38:43 And that kind of stuff would happen, like- ... a- an- all the time. Every day. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:46 Jesus.

Patrick Carney 38:46 It was just insane. And, um, like I talk... I think about my stepdaughter who goes to this really fancy private school in Nashville, and yeah, like they... she's never seen a fight. She's never- I'd say the same thing to my daughter. I'm like, "Were there any fights today?" She's like, "What are you talking about?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:01 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 39:02 Nobody fights in our school.

Joe Rogan 39:03 Isn't that weird, though, that we can look back, as long as we survived those experiences? You look back at them like there's something kind of cool about it, like it flavors your life, but you don't want your kids to be exposed to that, right?

Patrick Carney 39:16 (sighs) We made, we, we made a video for our-

Joe Rogan 39:18 Oh.

Patrick Carney 39:19 ... for our first single off this record called Wild Child, and we were... The whole concept was that we were just, like, gonna try to, like, uh, work in some things that happened to us in high school, but kind of put it through the, you know, the concept, like, of high school today, what, like, what, what kids can get into, the trouble that kids can get into, but we were talking about, like, our high school, uh, a lot, and, um... We had this health teacher who smoked a pipe while we ran track. He's like the football coach. And (laughs) the way that he taught sex ed, which is like he didn't go into any detail about anything, but he grabbed this stack of, uh-

Joe Rogan 39:58 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 39:58 ... photographs of, of venereal diseases, and he's like, "Here we go." Venereal. He's like, "Genital warts."

Joe Rogan 40:05 Oh.

Patrick Carney 40:05 "Oh, hell no."

Joe Rogan 40:06 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 40:07 Oh, hell no! And he'd be like, "Look at this," and he'd pass it around, and the kid would, "Ugh!" Now they wanted to touch it, and they went through...

Joe Rogan 40:14 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 40:14 This was probably the most effective health class I've, you know. It scared us straight, man. It was insane.

Joe Rogan 40:21 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 40:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:22 That sounds like a great strategy. Show people.

Patrick Carney 40:26 (laughs) Yeah, tell-

Joe Rogan 40:27 Can they still do that or no?

Patrick Carney 40:30 Uh, I don't know. It worked on... It worked for me.

Joe Rogan 40:33 I think you'd probably get in trouble for showing infected genitals in class.

Patrick Carney 40:37 Maybe only if it's- Probably. (laughs) ... uh, especially if it's your infected genitals. (laughs) Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:41 (laughs) If it's yours, yeah. This is back in '85.

Patrick Carney 40:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:45 That's called crabs, kids. Look how red my balls are.

Patrick Carney 40:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:51 (laughs) Yeah, you can't do any of that. You can't show them pictures of stuff.

Patrick Carney 40:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:56 Oh.

Patrick Carney 40:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:59 But it would work, especially for boys, you know?

Patrick Carney 41:02 Really, you can't show pictures anymore?

Joe Rogan 41:03 I don't think so. I mean, I don't know what you can show. I'm just guessing. But I'm saying if you did show that, like, if you showed genitals that were infected by venereal diseases, for sure you're getting fired, right?

Patrick Carney 41:13 Really? I don't... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:15 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 41:15 I don't know. I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 41:16 I would imagine you're not allowed to show a rotten dick in class that's just filled with kids.

Patrick Carney 41:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:22 I don't think-

Patrick Carney 41:22 Maybe if you, maybe if you say, "Oh, hell no," when they pass it around or he makes you go...

Joe Rogan 41:26 (laughs) Yeah, you just let them know, "This is not good."

Patrick Carney 41:27 Yeah. This is not good. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:28 "I'm not promoting this. This is Scared Straight for penises." Fuck, man.

Patrick Carney 41:33 We had this, uh, we had this, uh, student counselor, high school counselor. This guy, his name was Mr. Bennett, and, uh, he sat, like... Or, um, he had an assistant, this chick named Abby, who sat next to me in eighth- like math class when we were seniors. And he would, like... He'd walk in, and he was, you know, very effeminate, but he had a family. But there was something just so weird about this dude. And, uh, like every day, I would say to Abby after he... He would come in every day to see her and then leave, and I was like, "Man, there's something. Like, Mr. Bennett, like, I think he might, like, play with the- some of the boys in school." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:12 Really?

Patrick Carney 42:12 And she was like, "You're so..." And I was just bullshitting, you know?

Joe Rogan 42:15 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 42:16 But then, like, the next year, it came out, like, he went to prison. He was literally fucking a, a student, a boy, you know, in our school. And, like, I- I've, I've been, like... Ever since, I've never ran... I never ran into Abby ever again, but, like, I wish I... I just want to let her know that it wasn't a cry from, for help from me.

Joe Rogan 42:33 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 42:33 I just was guessing. (laughs) We had this soccer, we had a soccer coach who used to, like...... he, he, like ...

Narrator 42:40 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 42:40 He, like, asked the, all the boys to, at the end of the seasons, like, donate their shoes so that he could give them to less fortunate people and he was just jerking off in the, in the s- in the shoes and they found them all in his closet before he went to prison.

Narrator 42:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:51 Jesus Christ. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 42:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 42:56 Yeah. (laughs)

42:56 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Oh my God.

Patrick Carney 42:58 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:01 That's the problem with any job where you get to work with kids. Like, are you working with kids because you love them and you want to educate them and you feel great satisfaction outta that? That's mostly, mostly.

Patrick Carney 43:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:16 But are you working with kids 'cause you're sexually attracted to them? That's some. That's what's scary. What's scary is the tiny percentage of people that are just fucking freaks.

Patrick Carney 43:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:27 And, you know, they'll bang a kid at school. Like, that's just, just a small percentage.

Patrick Carney 43:33 Yeah. It boggles my f- my mind, really.

Joe Rogan 43:35 It's, it's a broken part of human life that, that, that exists. There's something about the, the human brain that does that. It's like the most forbidden thing. There's something evil about it in, in a way. Like, it's like, it's like, like terrible programming.

Patrick Carney 43:52 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:53 You know, the, the, the fact that a person could ever do that and the fact that it happens often from people who had been molested themselves.

Patrick Carney 44:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 44:00 That's the scary thing. It's almost like a sickness that infects someone.

Patrick Carney 44:06 Well, yeah.

Narrator 44:06 Insane.

Patrick Carney 44:07 It's nuts.

Narrator 44:09 Mm-mm. (laughs) Yeah.

44:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:10 I'm just thinking about all this ... The, the wildness of today, and the, all the, this str- like, the strange ... It's, it seems like more now than ever, I don't know what the fuck the future holds for, like, the human race.

Patrick Carney 44:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:27 Like, the, more now than ever, like, I look at all this crazy shit that's going on with Russia and I, I start thinking, like, "I don't know if we're gonna make it through this." Like, why am I so cocky? Why would I, why, why am I thinking every day everything's gonna be fine? This might not be fine. This is one of those "it might not be fine" moments.

Patrick Carney 44:44 Yeah. Watching all that stuff go down.

Joe Rogan 44:47 And watching, just, everything in our country, just everything is so fucking polarized and cra- ... Like, why are we fighting so much? Is this necessary?

Patrick Carney 44:56 I, I, I, when I think about, like, everything that's been going on the last couple of years, I, I, for some reason, this image keeps coming up and it's, it's, it takes place, uh, when we were on tour. And I find it to be, like, the most comforting thing for some reason, but it was, like, after a show in Houston. There was these two, like, chicks that, you know, came to the show, were hanging out, and they wanted to, they wanted to hang out with us after the show. So we went down to their car and all they wanted to do with us was a bunch of whip-its. And, uh, we went to their car. Do you remember this?

Joe Rogan 45:24 Mm-hmm.

Patrick Carney 45:24 And their whole backseat (laughs) of their car was just filled up with, with whip-its and, uh, my brother was there and Dan was there and just sat there and did whip-its with them.

Joe Rogan 45:34 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 45:34 And I was just like, "This is ... (laughs) That's what, like, that's ..." I miss those days. (laughs)

Narrator 45:42 (laughs)

45:42 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 45:42 That was it.

Narrator 45:43 Man.

Patrick Carney 45:43 That's the whole story, just like ...

Joe Rogan 45:44 I worked at a Newport Creamery and every- people got fired for doing whip-its.

Patrick Carney 45:48 (laughs)

Narrator 45:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:49 It was an ice cream place in Massachusetts and dudes who worked there would do whip-its.

Patrick Carney 45:53 It's so innocent though.

Narrator 45:54 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 45:54 These, these girls just wanted-

Joe Rogan 45:55 I started whipping cream too. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 45:56 They just wanted-

Narrator 45:56 Creams sales doubled this month.

Joe Rogan 45:58 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 45:59 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:00 I never did whip-its. Or if I do, I don't remember. I don't think I got high off of it.

Patrick Carney 46:04 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:05 I think I ... I don't think I did it right. Maybe I tried a little bit, but the guys who did it swore by it. (laughs)

Narrator 46:11 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 46:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:11 They would do it all the time. They would use ... 'Cause they had those fucking big ass jugs 'cause we would make-

Patrick Carney 46:16 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 46:16 ... whipped cream back there. So they had these big ass jugs of the juice.

Narrator 46:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:20 And they would get back there and ...

Patrick Carney 46:22 My friend, uh ...

Narrator 46:23 (coughs)

Patrick Carney 46:23 My, my friend's dad was a dentist and they used to go ... I mean, they're, he's about 10 years older than me, so this was years ago, but they would, they would sneak into his office and just turn the nitrous machines on, sit down in the chairs and chill out. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:38 Wow.

Narrator 46:39 That seems dangerous.

Joe Rogan 46:40 That seems insane.

Patrick Carney 46:41 It seems ... I w- yeah.

Narrator 46:42 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 46:42 Ask Gen X for it. That's like, that's ... We're like at the h- tail end of Gen X, but like-

Joe Rogan 46:46 What do you think-

Patrick Carney 46:46 ... deep Gen X, you know, that ... There's, there's a whole different level of fucking with shit like that.

Joe Rogan 46:50 But do you feel like you could find someone dead from that?

Patrick Carney 46:53 Yeah.

Narrator 46:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Well, there's ... We live in a time where you can get ketamine drips. You can get therapeutic ketamine drips.

Patrick Carney 46:59 I know a dude who, who was working with me who got into that and had, had a complete meltdown. Just basically ran away from me and-

Narrator 47:07 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 47:07 ... from, from ... Moved to a different city.

Joe Rogan 47:10 I can't speak to it-

Patrick Carney 47:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:11 ... 'cause I haven't done it, but I know, uh, friends that have done it for depression.

Patrick Carney 47:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:16 Like my friend Neil did it for depress- Neil Brennan, and he's a dude. He goes, "I go into this fucking office." He goes, "They, they rig me up with this thing. I think, oh, it's probably, you know, just gonna be like a weird sort of sedative state." He goes, "No, I'm full on tripping balls." You're just psychedelic tripping in a doctor's office.

Patrick Carney 47:36 Dude, it's-

Joe Rogan 47:37 And you can get it all, all over the place.

Patrick Carney 47:39 I asked my friend. I was like, "What ... So what happens when you take it?" He's like, "Well, it's weird. I have the same experience every time I've taken it." I was like, "Oh yeah, what's that?" He's like, "Yeah, the last 24 hours play back in a- fast, in, in fast speed, but in real- you know, in order. I get ... I replay the last 24 hours." And I was like, "Fuck that shit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:57 Fuck that shit. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 47:58 Dude. (laughs) That's a sign that you shouldn't be doing that.

Joe Rogan 48:01 Fuck that. (laughs)

Narrator 48:02 What the fuck is that?

Joe Rogan 48:03 Oh my God.

Patrick Carney 48:04 I don't know, dude.

Narrator 48:05 Dumbest TiVo ever.

Patrick Carney 48:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:07 Kids get add- I knew a guy who died from it. A guy who was using it recreationally. A guy who was a kickboxer.

Narrator 48:11 Died from Special K?

Joe Rogan 48:12 Yeah, he was doing it too much and he died. He was addicted to it.

Patrick Carney 48:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:15 He wanted to do it all the time.

Narrator 48:17 I've never even heard of that.

Joe Rogan 48:18 Yeah. Apparently with some people they get addicted. They, he went into a treatment place out in Thousand Oaks. It was another friend of mine put him in there and I remember thinking, "Man, that's the stuff that John Lilly used to take when he was in the isolation tank." He used to intramuscularly ...

Narrator 48:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:32 Yeah. He used to shoot himself up with ketamine. He'd get in the tank, bang, hit his thigh with a fucking needle-

Narrator 48:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:39 ... and pump it full of ketamine, you know, open the door, throw the needle out and just go into another dimension. Like, in the tank.

Narrator 48:47 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 48:47 Uh-uh.

Joe Rogan 48:47 And now you can just get that in a drip.

Patrick Carney 48:49 Dude.

Joe Rogan 48:50 You can just go to a place, and they're like, "What, are you depressed?"

Patrick Carney 48:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:52 "Dan, have a seat. (laughs) I gotta fucking... I'm gonna bring you to another dimension."

Patrick Carney 48:57 We know three people who, who we've worked with over the years who all have had... all did the same thing. They all took LSD every day for a year. (laughs) And these were independent of each other, these people.

Joe Rogan 49:06 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 49:06 And they're, they're three of the smartest people that we know. But I feel like, um, it's almost y- you know, if you can get through that... And also, the one guy in particular, uh, he would take it before he went to bed. He would... He taught himself how to sleep on acid.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Oh my God. That's insane.

Patrick Carney 49:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:24 That's insane. I bet it's like... Remember in the old days when people had computers and they would overclock their computers? You remember those days?

Patrick Carney 49:33 No. What is that?

49:33 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 49:35 No, Jamey, you know what I'm talking about, the early days of gaming computers?

Patrick Carney 49:38 Some, still do it.

Joe Rogan 49:38 Yeah. I'm sure they do. But in the early days, um, when people w- started making computers for gaming, you would, uh, you would change the speed of the computer and overclock it past its specifications. And you could do it with some, but some would burn out and break.

Patrick Carney 49:53 Okay.

Joe Rogan 49:54 Some of them, though, it would make it better. And I think that's the way brains work. I think it's the sa- I think if some people do acid, it just (imitates engine revving) bang.

Patrick Carney 50:03 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:03 And then you get broken pistons and fucking smoke coming out of the pipes. Some people can maintain high RPMs on that shit, and it actually like, like, just like making a computer more functional or more, have more power, more juice. It d- I think it does it to people too, but I just don't think most people can maintain it.

Patrick Carney 50:22 Dude, I-

50:23 Mm-mm.

50:23 ... I think the amount of-

50:24 And once you go there, too far, you, you can't go back.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Most people k- know someone-

Patrick Carney 50:29 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:30 ... who's gone to the dark land.

Patrick Carney 50:31 I went to school with a girl whose dad had taken too much acid.

50:36 (laughs)

50:36 And we, we used to go to this pool in the summertime, and I saw him one time, and he was in front of the... It's like a public pool, you know? And in front of the pool, he was selling tie-dye T-shirts. (laughs)

50:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Oh my God.

Patrick Carney 50:47 Well, you know what-

50:48 And he was fucking... He was so fried, man.

50:50 I think also-

50:50 It's crazy.

50:50 ... it fast tracks, like, schizophrenia if you have it. You know, it can, it can-

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 50:55 It, you can jump to the front of the line there.

Joe Rogan 50:57 There's a book about that, um, that Alex Berenson wrote about edible weed, weed in general, but I think it's, I think edible re- weed is the one that really does people in. There's something about it, uh, th- for some people, for people that have a tendency towards schizophrenics. It seems to indicate that it might trigger that.

Patrick Carney 51:14 Oh, I, I had a, a, a girlfriend whose brother smoked some weed laced with, uh, something, I guess. I don't know what it was, but I had to go pick him up from college, and he came back. It was like, he thought the TV was, you know, talking to him, and-

Joe Rogan 51:29 Oh, Jesus.

Patrick Carney 51:29 ... it was, it was terrifying. And like three or four days later, it kind of mellowed out, but I was like, "Aye, yi, yi, yi." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:35 Man.

Patrick Carney 51:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:37 Oh, guys have gone... I mean, the, the guy from Pink Floyd.

Patrick Carney 51:41 Syd Barrett?

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah. Right? That-

Patrick Carney 51:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:44 That was a LSD thing too, right?

Patrick Carney 51:47 Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I think it, I mean, I th- uh, I mean, we, I think we grew up around a lot of, like, burnouts, really.

Joe Rogan 51:54 Even the Unabomber. The Unabomber was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.

Patrick Carney 51:59 Hmm. The Ted Kaczynski.

Joe Rogan 52:02 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 52:03 Fucking insane, man.

Joe Rogan 52:05 Yeah, they ran t- studies on that dude with acid back in the day when they would just try shit on people.

Patrick Carney 52:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:11 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 52:11 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:13 They... You have, you guys ever heard of Operation Midnight Climax?

Patrick Carney 52:17 Mm-hmm.

52:17 Is that the dude that, that jumped out of his window or something?

Joe Rogan 52:21 No, it was, um, the CIA had an LSD program that they would do in brothels.

Patrick Carney 52:26 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:27 So they would, uh, they would d- dose up these johns that'd come in to talk to the ladies, and the ladies would give them a gl- a drink, and they would drink it, and they'd be tripping balls on acid, and they'd film them and ask them questions and shit. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 52:38 They'd just give all kinds of dirt, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:40 (laughs) Just watch them have sex and freak out.

Patrick Carney 52:43 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 52:43 And then, n- you know, not even knowing you're on acid.

Patrick Carney 52:47 Oh my God, man. I met this, I met this chick who was in-

Joe Rogan 52:50 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 52:50 ... the C... She was in the CIA for a while, and she was telling me about it. Uh, and her job was she, she was like partnered up with a guy who they, she ended up, I guess, maybe being romantic with, but they both were agents, and they, they were sent to China to, like, start an art gallery. And, um, like, they were gonna... They were like basically hanging out with, like, the artists and the, you know, subculture, uh, and then selling that work to, like, you know, the successful business guys and politicians and...

Joe Rogan 53:23 Mm-hmm.

Patrick Carney 53:24 I guess, you know, she was able to talk about it because they, they let her out of the thing. But yeah, so I'd always wanted to be in the CIA.

Joe Rogan 53:31 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 53:31 That, uh, that window thing is Operation Midnight Climax. They're the s-

Joe Rogan 53:35 What, it's a different one?

Patrick Carney 53:36 ... they're the same, it's the same thing.

53:37 He jumped out of a window. They scared this guy to the point where he killed himself.

Joe Rogan 53:40 Oh, so the guy, oh, the, one of the johns jumped out a window? Oh.

Patrick Carney 53:43 Yeah, they believed, yeah, same, it was the same program.

53:45 Yeah, young kids and-

Joe Rogan 53:46 Oh, God.

Patrick Carney 53:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:48 Oh, they did... You know, they also ran the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, where Marilyn Manson, or u- no, not Marilyn Manson, Charles Manson, excuse me, was getting all his acid. It was all from the same program.

Patrick Carney 53:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:59 This guy Jolly West and the CIA, it's wild shit was going on back then.

Patrick Carney 54:04 Yeah. (laughs)

54:05 What are they up to now?

54:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:07 What, the CIA? What do you think?

Patrick Carney 54:08 Well, I don't know. Where are they at now?

Joe Rogan 54:09 They probably run TikTok. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 54:11 (laughs)

54:11 Are they giving ketamine trips to-

54:13 D- uh, dude, the last time we were on here, like three days later-

54:16 Seriously.

54:17 ... I, I ran into, um... We were playing our first arena show in years at the Pepsi Center in Denver. I reached out to you after this, but I was like sitting backstage, and our production manager came back. He said, "Hey man, uh, Tom DeLonge's here. He wants to meet you."

54:32 (laughs)

54:32 And I was like, "Really?" I never met Tom. And he's like... I was like, "Sure, yeah, please send him back." And Tom's cool as hell. I never met him, but man, he freaked the shit out of me. Right before I went on stage in front of like 15,000 people.

Joe Rogan 54:46 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 54:46 He was like, "Yeah, UFO..." For an hour, he was like, "UFOs are real."They're watching everything we're doing, you know. Th- there's a lot of shit going on. And he, uh... Dude, for an hour I was just like, "What the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 54:58 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 54:59 And I got so paranoid that I went out... Like, I went out after the show that night to this bar, and I, like, met these ex-military guys. They're like, "Hey, we h- we own this bar here. You should come hang out." And I... So we, I would follow them to this bar. And, uh, they're, they're like, "Oh, yeah. There's these, there's these, uh, some girls that might stop by." I was like, "Okay, yeah." Like, "They're R- they're Russian. They're strippers." And I was like, "What the fuck? They don't give visas to Russian strippers." And then they, all they did is sat there and asked me how I felt about Vladimir Putin, for like an hour.

Joe Rogan 55:31 What?

Patrick Carney 55:31 Straight up. And I was like, "What are you s- what are you doing to me?"

Narrator 55:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:35 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 55:35 What the fuck are you asking me? But... I was like... And I was like... These were all military. I was like, "Ah, get me the fuck out of here."

Joe Rogan 55:42 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 55:42 It was insane. So then... Yeah, I feel... I don't know, man. They got me so bugged out. But a part of it probably was the fact that Tom DeLonge was telling me that like... He told me that... He, he was like, "Do you know... Do you remember the blackout that happened in, in 2003 in New York?" Which I remember, because, uh, we were traveling in from, from Europe, and we landed at Newark, like, right around then, and our flight got all delayed and we ended up renting a car. Um, but the power outages that happened, it w- they say it happened in Akron, where we're from. They say like some dumbass like Homer Simpson type just-

Joe Rogan 56:15 Boop. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 56:15 ... hit the wrong button. That's what they s- said.

Narrator 56:18 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 56:19 And he was like, "Oh, no. Uh, it was actually, the government shot down a UFO that day with a electromagnetic pulse."

Joe Rogan 56:25 Yeah. I had Tom on my podcast.

Patrick Carney 56:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 And he's a really nice guy.

Patrick Carney 56:27 So nice.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Really nice guy, and very talented musician. But I think he is a believer. And I don't say that in a... It's not a negative thing. It's a, it's a state of mind. It's a state of mind where you are a believer first. Like, you believe in UFOs. You wanna believe in UFOs. And then it takes on a religious quality. And it, i- it can happen with almost anything. It can happen even with atheism. You know, it could happen with anything. People just ge- decide that you don't wanna ever question any aspect of it. You just wanna only look at it like, "UFOs are fucking real, man." So he showed us some videos, and m- and I was laughing. I'm like, "Dude, this is the fakest looking shit I've ever seen in my life."

Patrick Carney 57:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:05 Like, I, I think there's no doubt that there's probab- I honestly think there's no doubt. We might be the only life out there. That's a possibility, 'cause we don't know for sure there's other life out there. But we might not be. And more likely than not, we're not.

Patrick Carney 57:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 More likely than not, there's a fucking infinite number of civilizations out there, more likely. S- have they gotten here? Fuck, man, maybe. If they were really good, if they knew how to get here, do you... Don't you think they'd be able to hide? I mean, we have fucking radar jammers on front license plates to try to stop cops from, you know, hitting you with a speeding gun.

Patrick Carney 57:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:41 You don't think they're smart enough to d- to avoid detection? So maybe they have been here. But there's also a lot of fucking crazy people.

Patrick Carney 57:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:49 And there's a lot of crazy people that are believers.

Patrick Carney 57:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:51 They're just fucking stone-cold believers, whether it's in-

Patrick Carney 57:54 B-

Joe Rogan 57:54 ... Bigfoot or UFOs.

Patrick Carney 57:55 It's not hard to start believing that, you know... In, in, in a conspiracy, you know what I mean? It's-

Joe Rogan 58:00 Not at all. It's easy to believe.

Patrick Carney 58:01 It's, it's very easy. And, you know, whatever it may be. It's, it's just when you goes full- fully deep into it, and-

Joe Rogan 58:08 Yes.

Patrick Carney 58:08 ... it's where it can get a little freaky. I mean, um... (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 58:12 I think most likely-

Patrick Carney 58:12 You know, like the... Uh, I was... When I was a teenager, my friends and I used to go to this like, uh, this little ph- video rental store, and they had a section on, uh... You know, it was all conspiracy ve- videos. The guy that owned it must've been into it, but they had, like, you know, videos o- on the Illuminati, and we would rent these things and, like, you know-

Joe Rogan 58:32 Those are the best.

Narrator 58:32 Which place is this?

Patrick Carney 58:33 Oh, it was over by, um... It was behind Farrow & Ball. I forget the name of the, the name of the rental place.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Those things were great before the internet.

Patrick Carney 58:40 But, dude, we got- (laughs)

Narrator 58:41 The vid- the video stores?

Patrick Carney 58:42 The vid- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:43 Well, I mean those conspiracy movies. Before the... Before you could research whether or not they were bullshit.

Narrator 58:47 Number Faces of Death? Remember that?

Joe Rogan 58:48 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 58:48 That's what it is? God.

Patrick Carney 58:49 But the thing about those conspiracies is that they're like, oh, yeah, there's like a l- you know, Hillary Clinton's like l- you know, lizard and, uh, l-

Joe Rogan 58:54 Yeah, lizard people.

Patrick Carney 58:54 You could see George Bush's gills open up and-

Narrator 58:57 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 58:57 ... whatever. I mean, I will say this, though. Like, uh, uh, we have been in some... We've, we've, we've, we've definitely been in situations where it's like, "Oh, why, why are all these people hanging out with each other?" (laughs) It's like-

Joe Rogan 59:09 Right.

Patrick Carney 59:09 ... every rich and famous person hangs out and on vacation here toget- in St. Barts on New Year's Eve. It's like, if you ever wanted to take over the world, you just need to take over St. Barts on New Year's Eve.

Narrator 59:19 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 59:19 You'd have full control of the world.

Narrator 59:20 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 59:21 Straight up. Every yacht's there. We, we've... We, we played a show there for Larry Gagosian and Roman Abramovich years ago. And it was really a cool, like, private little beach party. And, you know, like, a bunch of celebrities were there, like Chris Rock and...

Joe Rogan 59:38 Wow.

Patrick Carney 59:38 It was like... You know, Rick Rubin and whatever. But then at the same time, like, we're flying in and we land and, uh, we... They're like, "Oh, you gotta go take... You take a boat from St. Martin's over to St- to St. Barts." And so I get on this boat, and it's like this thing's flying. It's going like 80 miles an hour. And I was like, "What the fuck? This boat... This is, this is Roman Abramovich's yacht?" He's like, "No, man, this is Roman's boat that goes inside of his yacht."

Narrator 1:00:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:01 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:00:01 And I was like, "What the fuck?" He's like, "Yeah, there's two, two of these boats go inside his boat." And I was... And they had like f- forward-looking infrared. You could see like... It looked like daylight, and it was flying.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 Holy shit.

Patrick Carney 1:00:13 I'm like, "What the fuck?" And then I was like, "How often does he have to s- like, refuel that boat?" He's like... The, the pilot, uh, ship guy, whatever you call it. Skipper was like...

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 (laughs)

Narrator 1:00:24 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:00:24 He was like, "That boat? Oh, every two years you need to g- take that thing to fu-" And I was like, "What the fuck?" It's like...

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 Two years.

Patrick Carney 1:00:31 I'm like, "Is that like a... Is it like a nuclear reactor in that?"

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:00:33 And he just looked at me like I was an idiot. I- I still don't know, but I was like, "Fuck, man." I was like, that's the... That's like... It could be a really good, uh, Adam Sandler vehicle that... Like, like Airheads , but instead of taking over a radio station, they take over the world by, by... I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 Well, w-

Patrick Carney 1:00:47 The, the band goes and plays St. Barts, and then just like, I don't know, takes over the world.

Narrator 1:00:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 It'd be good to do it at this time when the Russian oligarchs are all getting their yachts stolen from them.Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:00:58 You gotta wonder why everybody wants that yacht. All those rich guys want the fucking yacht. The big, huge yacht. David Geffen.

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 What? Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:01:04 What's in these yachts?

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 They have their own little town. It's... (laughs) What powers these yachts? (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:08 Yeah, what... It's just the ultimate baller thing, isn't it? For those guys.

Patrick Carney 1:01:11 No, it's... I think... Dude, I, I, uh, they're armed, straight up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 They're armed?

Patrick Carney 1:01:16 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 So those things are like military vehicles.

Patrick Carney 1:01:19 I know... I heard the Romans had some fucking weapons on it. Fuck yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:23 Jesus Christ.

Patrick Carney 1:01:25 Torpedoes and all that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 So they're driving around an armored city in Torpedoes. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:01:28 Torpedoes.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:28 Dude, yes. Holy shit.

Patrick Carney 1:01:30 So do... Sh- dude, surface-to-air missiles? I'm not...

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 Jesus Christ.

Patrick Carney 1:01:33 Straight up, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 In their yachts?

Patrick Carney 1:01:35 Fuck yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 Wow.

Patrick Carney 1:01:36 'Cause...

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Didn't one of them have a submarine?

Patrick Carney 1:01:39 (laughs) Of course, dude. What the fuck is going on?

Narrator 1:01:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 What? Look at that thing.

Patrick Carney 1:01:44 What is-

Joe Rogan 1:01:44 Two helipads, two swimming pools, bulletproof windows.

Patrick Carney 1:01:47 Dude, you can't just tell me these guys all just, like, loved G.I. Joe a lot or something. What the fuck?

Narrator 1:01:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 It's $1.6 billion. There's a mini-submarine with... Does it say internal bond, boarding?

Narrator 1:01:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 What does that mean? That's crazy. It's got a fucking submarine.

Patrick Carney 1:02:05 Holy moly.

Joe Rogan 1:02:06 Yeah, $1.6 billion.

Patrick Carney 1:02:08 So you see something like that, you can't help but-

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 "Hey, bro."

Patrick Carney 1:02:11 ... think it's some sort of conspiracy, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Yeah. "Hey, bro, where'd you get the money?"

Narrator 1:02:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:15 Like, "You're balling outta control, fella." And so, that's the weird thing. It's like they're taking everybody's stuff, but do they have to, um, find out how they made their money? Are they asking for an... Or, or is this like a... "Are you Russian? Are you rich? Well then, I'm stealing your yacht."

Patrick Carney 1:02:30 It's weird. It's very odd. I don't know. Yeah. It's a... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 It's kinda weird. Like, part of me is like, "Yeah, fuck those guys." And part of me is like, "Wait, what's happening?" Like...

Narrator 1:02:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 What, what are they doing with those yachts? Are they gonna just take 'em? (laughs)

Narrator 1:02:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:44 The government has 'em now? Are they gonna sell 'em?

Patrick Carney 1:02:47 Dude, I don't, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Who's gonna buy 'em? Who's gonna buy the Russian yachts probably hooked up to remote control?

Patrick Carney 1:02:54 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 You know?

Patrick Carney 1:02:58 Do, do you remember when, uh, when Katrina, Katrina hit and then, like, there was a little news story that, like, no one really mentioned. I didn't really see much about it, but, that, like all these Navy-trained dolphins escaped? Do you remember that?

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 (laughs)

Narrator 1:03:09 I do remember that.

Patrick Carney 1:03:11 It was like-

Narrator 1:03:11 I do remember that.

Patrick Carney 1:03:11 Don't you... Like, r- r- rumor, but I don't remember researching it.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 Like, I was like, "Sh- don't we need to know more about that? Someone just mentioned that."

Narrator 1:03:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Like, what kind of dolphins were out there?

Narrator 1:03:17 And what did they train 'em for?

Joe Rogan 1:03:19 Well, they definitely trained them to blow up submarines.

Patrick Carney 1:03:22 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 They did. Yeah, they trained them to, they trained them to be, essentially, suicide bombers.

Patrick Carney 1:03:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 In the global war on terror, the Navy reportedly began training dolphins to shoot potential terrorists-

Patrick Carney 1:03:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 ... targeting Navy ships. But a special investigator claimed that after Hurricane Katrina, a few of those deadly dolphin guards escaped, and the Navy has been looking for them ever since.

Patrick Carney 1:03:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:44 So they got dolphin... Armed dolphin assassins. Well-

Patrick Carney 1:03:48 It's like a South Park episode.

Narrator 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 What does it say? Roaming the seas with toxic... What is the thing that says there, right underneath there, Jamie? What does it say? Toxic... Toxic what? Toxic dart guns.

Narrator 1:04:02 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:04:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 Jesus Christ. They've got poison dart guns that they can shoot.

Narrator 1:04:07 Holy shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Look how they're rigged. They're rigged up. That is fucking-

Patrick Carney 1:04:11 Oh, my God. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 That is fucking insane. That is fucking insane.

Narrator 1:04:14 They were last seen headed towards Saint Barts.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 Dude, that is so crazy.

Patrick Carney 1:04:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 They armed dolphins and taught them to fuck things up.

Patrick Carney 1:04:20 Dude, and they like to fuck, I think. They, they-

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 They like to fuck and-

Patrick Carney 1:04:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 ... they, they also, unfortunately, en- engaged in infanticide. They kill the babies. That's why, uh, female dolphins, uh, try to have sex with as many males as possible. Because when the female gets pregnant and she gives birth, the, the baby has to be with her for many years just to take care of it, for a wh- and she won't-

Narrator 1:04:41 Shit.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 ... breed with other males. So males will try to kill her babies, try to get her to breed again.

Patrick Carney 1:04:45 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 So if she's had sex with a bunch of males, they're like, "Oh, those could be my kids," and then he doesn't do it.

Patrick Carney 1:04:50 Yeah. Damn.

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Dolphins are ruthless.

Narrator 1:04:54 Flipper, what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 1:04:55 Yeah, what the fuck, dolphins?

Patrick Carney 1:04:57 Dude, I was thinking about, like... I does- I have a conspiracy theory too, about cats. My wife's, like, obsessed with cats, and so is her... my stepdaughter. And, uh, I was talking to a buddy of ours, and he's like, "Oh, yeah, cats, man. You know, they got this toxoplasmosis."

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Mm-hmm.

Patrick Carney 1:05:13 I heard you talking about it a couple weeks ago on here.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:05:16 And I was like, "Yeah." He's like, "Dude." And he, he was like floating this idea that like, you know, it, it's a bacteria. It, it enters your brain, but it causes, you know, like, rats to wanna go up to... You know, they feel safe around cats or they wanna engage with the cat, but I was like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 They actually get excited.

Patrick Carney 1:05:31 I started thinking, dude, like what if cats actually domesticated people? Like, they, like cats actually... When people, like, make statues to the cats.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:05:40 Like, peop- like, the Egyptians worshiped the cats.

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:05:43 Like, like, uh, uh, like I don't know, man. Animals are fucking amazing and I think d- I, I do kinda think, like... A cat, like, they're cute and cuddly, but the people I know that, like, w- well... are cat lovers, like, dude, it's so deep, so intense, that they get offended when you even float that (laughs) idea.

Narrator 1:06:02 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:06:02 That like... 'Cause I've never... Like, I've, I lived with a cat so far- in my house now for years. I, I, I see it, I try not to trip on it, but like, I don't...

Joe Rogan 1:06:10 I would bet that that toxoplasmosis, the same way it tricks a rat and, and-

Patrick Carney 1:06:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 ... rewires a rat's body, it, it probably, in some ways, does exist in a way that we... that the cats sort of domesticate us.

Patrick Carney 1:06:23 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I-

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Probably, probably right. In some-

Patrick Carney 1:06:26 I don't touch the litter box.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 ... weird way, it's like symbiotic at least. They're, they're all connected together.

Patrick Carney 1:06:30 They kill the mice around my house and-

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:06:32 ... it's all cool. But I, I don't touch the litter box.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 But they get that cat shit, and that cat shit has that toxo in it, if you get it-

Patrick Carney 1:06:38 Oof.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 ... you have it. It's it.

Patrick Carney 1:06:41 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 I don't think they can cure that either.

Patrick Carney 1:06:42 I mean, think about like the stories, like... My stepdad bought a house before I m- I met my mother, and the, the woman was living in there by herself with like 50 cats.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Oh, Jesus.

Patrick Carney 1:06:53 Just cat piss all over the place. Like everyone was, everyone was fine with... Like, she was fine with that.

Joe Rogan 1:06:57 Jesus.

Patrick Carney 1:06:58 Dude. But that's not normal.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:07:01 ... it's a toxo, dude.

Dan Auerbach 1:07:01 But it's common.

Patrick Carney 1:07:02 It's c-... Dude, yeah. You don't hear about-

Dan Auerbach 1:07:04 Very common. Very common.

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Imagine if tigers were really smart. How fucked would we be?

Dan Auerbach 1:07:09 Dude. (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:07:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 If they were really smart, like dolphin smart.

Patrick Carney 1:07:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 But they like to... That's one thing that we're really lucky about, that the things that like to kill shit other than humans, they, they're not that smart. They got good instincts, but, like, they're not... But if they could change their environment and be that big, we'd be fucked.

Patrick Carney 1:07:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Cats are a weird animal.

Patrick Carney 1:07:28 I bought a house, uh, near Charleston l- a couple years ago and, um, it's weird living in a place where there's, like, alligators.

Joe Rogan 1:07:35 Ooh, Jesus.

Patrick Carney 1:07:36 You know? And I started golfing, uh, recently and, uh, it's very unnerving to... You know-

Joe Rogan 1:07:43 Yeah.

Patrick Carney 1:07:44 Not... You know, I'm a Ohio kid, I'm sitting there and, like, look over and I'm like, "Holy shit, there's like a 10-foot fucking alligator right here near my golf ball." Um, fucking insane. But yeah, I still, I'm still not comfortable, you know, obviously being around a huge alligator like that, but-

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 You shouldn't be.

Patrick Carney 1:08:03 Yeah. But I rented this house in, uh, Kiawah Island right when I was moving to... You know, buying this house in Charleston. Kiawah is like a, it's like a golf kind of wonderland, uh, right south of Charleston. There's like 10 golf courses and some, like, luxury homes. I rented this place and, um, you know, I was like, "Oh man, there's alligators everywhere. I should, like, look up, like, when was the last alligator, like, attack?" You know? And they're like, "Oh, some w- woman was killed..." This was, like, May of 2020, like, "Some woman was killed in Kiawah." And that was like two weeks earlier. I was like, "I wonder where that happened?" It... Dude, it happened like 150 feet from the front door (laughs) of this house I rented. This woman was taking a selfie. She went to go take a selfie, uh, with a alligator and, like, she apparently, like, took it and then walked away and she's like, "That's the last time I'll do that." Because it, like, snapped at her and it, like, apparently went up and...

Narrator 1:08:58 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Patrick Carney 1:09:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:01 Yeah, they can. They don't a lot, but they can. They certainly fucking can eat you. They've eaten people all the time. It's just a weird thing that people are too comfortable around them. I don't understand it. Like, they get, they get real close to them and take pictures.

Patrick Carney 1:09:14 Dude.

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 It's like what? Just because it's not moving doesn't mean it can't move.

Dan Auerbach 1:09:18 We had family in Saint Augustine, Florida. We'd go there every summer and they've got the alligator farm there. It's so awesome.

Patrick Carney 1:09:24 Yeah.

Dan Auerbach 1:09:24 It would just scare the shit out of me, getting that close to alligators, man.

Patrick Carney 1:09:28 Holding a... that dinosaur?

Joe Rogan 1:09:30 I lived in, uh, Gainesville, Florida for three years and, uh, back then we'd throw marshmallows into the lake and they would eat the marshmallows.

Dan Auerbach 1:09:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 And then eventually they decided that was bad for the alligators, so they asked people to not do it.

Patrick Carney 1:09:42 They all got diabetes. (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 1:09:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 I mean, I guess it probably isn't good for them, but-

Patrick Carney 1:09:47 But-

Joe Rogan 1:09:47 But you... Just to see it, like, how weird it was that there was... I'm like, these things aren't even, like, fenced in. This is just a lake. And we'd thr-... I mean, it wasn't like some sort of organized park and this is, "Oh, they've all got... They're taking care of these alligators." No, these are wild alligators just hanging out.

Patrick Carney 1:10:02 Mm-hmm. There's this, uh, amusement park in Ohio called Cedar Point and, like, there's like a carp infestation in Lake Erie. You would go up there and they'd have like... You could buy phish food and throw it in, but what we all realized they just spit, they just spit in the water and they eat... ju- jump up, eat your spit.

Dan Auerbach 1:10:19 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:10:20 But I... You know, I thought it was really fucking scary that these fish were so... Just were ready to eat anything. But yeah, the alligator thing, man.

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 And they're nothing compared to crocodiles.

Patrick Carney 1:10:33 No.

Joe Rogan 1:10:33 One of the things they found in the Everglades is, uh, Nile crocodiles, and they're really worried that there's a breeding population. They don't think there is, but they've definitely found a couple Nile crocodiles. Those are the big ones that eat, like, zebras and shit.

Dan Auerbach 1:10:45 Oh my God.

Patrick Carney 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 They're hyper aggressive.

Patrick Carney 1:10:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:47 That's a totally different thing. And assholes just let them loose in Florida. (laughs)

Dan Auerbach 1:10:53 (laughs)

Patrick Carney 1:10:53 Dude, there was like, there was like a bunch of, like, boa constrictors and pythons and-

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 Pythons.

Dan Auerbach 1:10:59 Yeah, pythons.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 They've decimated the Everglades. There's l-... Almost 90 something percent of the mammals that used to live there are gone, like, in terms of like their numbers, like 90% down deer, 90% down raccoons.