Joe Rogan Experience #1815 - The Black Keys

1. 0:00 – 1:33

   New album praise and the secret of Black Keys consistency

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) And we're up and running. What's up, gentlemen?

   3. PCPatrick Carney0:14

      What's up?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening?

   5. PCPatrick Carney0:14

      Good to see you.

   6. DADan Auerbach0:15

      Good to see you, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Great to see you guys. First of all, before we even get started, your fucking new album is fantastic.

   8. PCPatrick Carney0:20

      Thank you. Thank you so much.

   9. DADan Auerbach0:20

      Thanks, man.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       I listened to it at the gym this morning, in fact, right before I got here. It was fucking good, man. It's so- it's classic Black Keys.

   11. DADan Auerbach0:27

       Thank you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       It's so good.

   13. DADan Auerbach0:28

       Oh, shit, man. Thank you.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       You guys consistently make just fucking banging music.

   15. PCPatrick Carney0:33

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       It's so good. It's so consistent. How the fuck are you guys so consistent?

   17. PCPatrick Carney0:39

       You know, we, we learned to play together, you know, 20, a couple, 23 years ago. I got- I, like, literally started playing drums with him, 'cause before that I was playing guitar, and I guess we just learned how to play together. We have this kind of dynamic, and I think we also have the- very similar tastes. It's all kind of very, it's very... I believe in fate, after meeting, after this-

   18. DADan Auerbach1:03

       Mm-hmm.

   19. PCPatrick Carney1:03

       ... existence we have, because if it weren't for us growing up a few houses down from each other, we would have never met, and we've become, you know, like, literally like brothers. We have this, we're like... Our, our first record came out 20 years ago, uh, this week, and we've been doing this thing, and it's- it's kind of feels like a dream, you know, when I think back about all the shit we've been through, and... But as far as the consistency, it's like we've always been on the same page. We just wanted to... We were, like, fascinated with albums.

2. 1:33 – 3:00

   Basement recording beginnings: four-tracks, bathrooms, and DIY gear

   1. PCPatrick Carney1:33

      We wanted to make records, and we were, like, you know, two dorks living around the corner from each other who had f- these things called four tracks, you know, like a little cassette, and you could record four different sounds.

   2. DADan Auerbach1:45

      I didn't have one. The first time I saw one was at Pat's.

   3. PCPatrick Carney1:48

      I had, yeah, I had one. He would come over.

   4. DADan Auerbach1:49

      Blew my mind, man. It was so cool.

   5. PCPatrick Carney1:51

      You could, like, record guitar, vocals, drums.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:52

      What year is this about?

   7. PCPatrick Carney1:53

      '97.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:55

      Oh.

   9. PCPatrick Carney1:55

      And then we would, like, fuck around on our four track, and I would take it over to his house, his parents' house, and we'd, like, set microphones up in the bathroom and- to get different sounds.

   10. DADan Auerbach2:05

       He just sat on the toilet, put the drums in front of him, use the toilet as the seat. (laughs)

   11. PCPatrick Carney2:10

       (laughs) Yeah. And, uh, we would just have fun, and then, you know, like, around 2000 and, uh, it was 2001, it was like right around 9/11, I bought this, like, digital 12 track recorder, and it was a big deal 'cause it cost like $1000, and I- I went into debt. And I ran into Dan right around then, we were both like 21, and, uh, I told him about it, and he's like, "You should come record my, uh, you should record my band." He had a bar band, and so, uh, I told him to come over, and, uh, the other dudes just never showed up, and so I was there with this recorder, and he's like, "You should just play the drums," which I didn't really play. And so we set up the mics, and he showed me the songs, and we recorded them real quick. And then, like, I'm- I spent a couple days mixing it, and se- gave him the CD-R, and he's like, "Dude, we should start a band."

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:59

       (laughs)

   13. DADan Auerbach3:00

       (laughs)

3. 3:00 – 4:03

   How they became The Black Keys (and the Alfred McMoore voicemail story)

   1. PCPatrick Carney3:00

      And we, we had this friend, our, our, our parents had me- met this guy, like Dan's dad's like a, like a folk art dealer, antiques dealer, and he had discovered this artist in Akron named A- um, Alfred McMor, who was schizophrenic and, and other things. And, uh, his dad used to buy him these scrolls of 50 foot long, five foot wide paper, and this guy would do these crazy crayon and pencil drawings on them. Dan's father would sell them for a couple hundred bucks and give the money to this dude, and he would keep a scroll or two for himself, you know, here and there. But this guy, my dad then was a newspaper journalist and would write stories about this guy. So this guy, Alfred McMor, used to call our parents' houses all the time, and we would come home from, like, school and we'd have these messages like, "This is Alfred McMor. If you don't bring me some pipe tobacco or some Diet Coke, you're a D flat, you're a black key."

   2. DADan Auerbach3:53

      (laughs)

   3. PCPatrick Carney3:53

      And we'd have hundreds of these messages sometimes, and, uh, we were like, it was like a complete inside joke. So when Dan's like, "We should name the band..." Which we, we started a band, it was like, "We're The Black Keys."

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:03

      (laughs)

   5. DADan Auerbach4:03

      (laughs)

4. 4:03 – 6:10

   First record deal, rat-infested basement sessions, and learning by guessing

   1. PCPatrick Carney4:03

      It was like within a second, we had named the band, we sent this thing off, and we got this record deal, and then we got this record deal with a small little label in, um, in LA called Alive! And, uh, they basically said, "If you send us 12 songs, we'll put your record out and we'll send you like 50 copies on vinyl and 200 CDs." And they also sent this little paragraph contract, which is like the most bulletproof contract we've ever signed.

   2. DADan Auerbach4:27

      (laughs)

   3. PCPatrick Carney4:27

      We can't get out of it. But they kept their end of the bargain. We sent them this record that we made, and that was the thing was we spent like, um, February of 2002 in my basement at this house we lived in, I lived in with some friends, like, it was like a rock 'n roll-

   4. DADan Auerbach4:45

      Richmond Place, Richmond Place.

   5. PCPatrick Carney4:46

      Yeah, it's this little really shitty house in the ghetto in Akron, um, uh, it was rat infested, and I lived there with some buddies, and I set up in the basement with this recorder, and Dan would come over every day and we would record, try to make this record, try to figure out what a record was. We had no idea w-

   6. DADan Auerbach5:03

      I had, I had to wake him up every day. He slept in. Pat's a good-

   7. PCPatrick Carney5:07

      (laughs)

   8. DADan Auerbach5:07

      Pat sleeps well. I'd always wake up early, so I'd wait till like 10:00 to come over. There were no cell phones. I had to throw the rocks at his window to get him up every day.

   9. PCPatrick Carney5:16

      Every day.

   10. DADan Auerbach5:17

       Every single-

   11. PCPatrick Carney5:17

       I'd hear his horn honking (imitates horn) , yelling.

   12. DADan Auerbach5:20

       (laughs)

   13. PCPatrick Carney5:20

       He'd s- come screaming in, and uh...

   14. DADan Auerbach5:24

       And there was a rat infestation too. We used, we might have to like clean up a rat before we-

   15. PCPatrick Carney5:28

       Dead rat, yeah.

   16. DADan Auerbach5:28

       ... dead rat before we...

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       Damn, that many?

   18. PCPatrick Carney5:30

       It was nuts, man.

   19. DADan Auerbach5:32

       They were in the bottom of the oven.

   20. PCPatrick Carney5:34

       (laughs)

   21. DADan Auerbach5:34

       I guess you guys didn't use the oven much.

   22. PCPatrick Carney5:37

       Dude, it was nuts. But we had no idea what we were doing and we just kind of knew that we... We knew we wanted to learn how to make the records, we just taught ourselves how to do it. We, 'cause the record deal we got involved us receiving zero money, so we had, we were responsible for us, for ourselves to make this thing. We didn't know how to mix, we didn't know how to do anything. We just guessed, and we sent the thing off, and got these records sent back a few weeks later and...... we were, like, hooked. We were like, at that point, we were, we, we were like, "What do we do? What do we do now?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       (laughs)

5. 6:10 – 13:26

   First tours in a minivan: border lies, hostels, weed paranoia, and Santa suits

   1. PCPatrick Carney6:10

      Right? And the guy, the guy at Alive who, Patrick, who runs the label was very helpful and was like ... He's French, and I, I can't really do the accent, but he was like, "Eh, man, you got to go on the road, man." And like, he had this, uh, mercenary booking agent book a tour for us. And I just found, like, the original kind of route sheet. It was like two pages of text and it just was basically like, "Leave Akron. Drive to Chicago. Guaranteed money, like $50. Drive to Denver. No guaranteed money. $2 ticket."

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:41

      (laughs)

   3. PCPatrick Carney6:41

      It was just basically like, you have to be like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:44

      (laughs)

   5. PCPatrick Carney6:44

      ... probably slow to do what we did.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      (laughs)

   7. PCPatrick Carney6:47

      And either slow or totally desperate.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      (laughs)

   9. PCPatrick Carney6:51

      And we were probably a little of both. But we went on this tour, and it was like out of a dream, because by the time we go around, we go up like to, to Vancouver and we have these crazy adventure. You know, we have no credit card. We just got a cellphone that was like, were too expensive for us to even use. And we were in this 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager just driving across the country, uh, with just, you know, a, a, a Rand McNally Atlas trying to figure out like how to get to these places.

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:25

       Yeah, and like MapQuest directions we printed out. I remember those days. (laughs)

   11. PCPatrick Carney7:28

       (laughs) Remember MapQuest.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       And there's always construction- Yep. ... and just totally fucks you up. And you're ... (laughs)

   13. PCPatrick Carney7:33

       And we were, when we were 22, we were like little kids really, 'cause we were also pretty, I mean, kind of sheltered I think for 22, 'cause ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Yeah, we'd never really been anywhere. I'd been, I'd been to New York City with my dad at antique shows or something but, I mean, we saw the world together.

   15. PCPatrick Carney7:50

       Dude. Oh my God, dude.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:51

       If you wanna believe in fate, that's a good argument for it.

   17. PCPatrick Carney7:54

       We showed up to this place on the, like the third day, we show up. We go, drive all the way across the country to, um, Vancouver and we're exhausted. We had to lie to cross the border. We had to say we were there to like record, go to a recording studio, 'cause we couldn't afford a work permit. And, uh, we found this hostel for like $10 a night, and we were like, "Let's, let's stay here." It was ... My brother was with us. So we go in, we pay 30 bucks, and the guy's like, "You want some weed with that?" And these guys bought weed. I don't really smoke weed and, oh my God. We ... I got so high.

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:28

       (laughs)

   19. PCPatrick Carney8:29

       It got so apparent I thought we were gonna get murdered in there.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       (laughs)

   21. PCPatrick Carney8:32

       And there's this guy sitting in this little courtyard, right where we checked in. He was wearing like this track suit. He had this like big ball of weed. Huge-

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       It was like a ball of hashish. It was like hash.

   23. PCPatrick Carney8:41

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       It was like clay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about this big, about a softball. Oh my God.

   25. PCPatrick Carney8:46

       We were just staring-

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       And then ... (laughs)

   27. PCPatrick Carney8:47

       ... staring at the wall and smoking the shit, and like that was like around 11:00 AM. At like 3:00 AM we get back to the thing. H- the ball's now like the size of a marble.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       (laughs)

   29. PCPatrick Carney8:55

       He's just like ... I was like ... And that, and that's when I smoked weed. I was like, "That guy down there, like he's-"

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:59

       He's gonna kill us. (laughs)
6. 13:26 – 19:31

   Outsider music rabbit hole: Tonetta, The Shaggs, and one-of-a-kind blues players

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:26

      Like, there is this guy who lives in Canada. God damn it, what is his fucking name? We- we've talked about him before.

   2. DADan Auerbach13:34

      The singer?

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:34

      Yeah.

   4. DADan Auerbach13:35

      Culture War?

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:35

      What's that?

   6. DADan Auerbach13:36

      Culture War?

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:36

      No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

   8. DADan Auerbach13:38

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:38

      He's this really weird guy who, uh, wears dresses and shit, and sings in his basement. And he set up a, he set up a fucking, like, a, like, a curtain and put, like, an old VHS tape and made his own videos.

   10. PCPatrick Carney13:54

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       And, uh, like, he's... One of his songs is called Really Big Cock.

   12. PCPatrick Carney13:59

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       And he's, he's either gay or he's bisexual. He's like, he cross-dresses. But his stuff is, like, really fucking interesting, but it's super, like, low budget.

   14. PCPatrick Carney14:12

       Oh, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Sounds terrible. Like, uh, there's, nothing sounds crisp and clean. But there's some character to that.

   16. PCPatrick Carney14:18

       Oh, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:18

       The fact that the way he does it that way. God damn it.

   18. PCPatrick Carney14:21

       I think that, that was the biggest-

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:22

       It's, it's one name. It's at the, on the tip of my tongue. I've, I've got...

   20. DADan Auerbach14:25

       I think I just got it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       You got it? (snaps fingers)

   22. DADan Auerbach14:26

       Tonetta? Tonetta?

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       Yes. Tonetta.

   24. PCPatrick Carney14:28

       I never heard of him.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       Yeah.

   26. DADan Auerbach14:29

       Don't know.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       See if you can find, see if you can find Really Big Cock, the video, 'cause it's actually good music.

   28. DADan Auerbach14:35

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Like, the guy... And I think the guy was like, if I wanted a... I think he worked in a computer store or something like that. And, like, this was some shit he did on the side.

   30. PCPatrick Carney14:43

       Yeah, yeah.
7. 19:31 – 24:07

   Old blues, Robert Johnson myths, and preserving disappearing juke-joint culture

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:31

      Damn. Damn. I- I listen to, uh, Robert Johnson sometimes. Like every now and then I'll go and try to listen to the or- original recordings. (clears throat) And you get- you know, it's hard because you gotta kinda put yourself in the mindset of people that lived at that time.

   2. PCPatrick Carney19:47

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:47

      It's kinda like listening to Lenny Bruce records. Like if you wanna listen to Lenny Bruce, it doesn't make too much sense today. (clears throat) You gotta kinda like pretend-

   4. PCPatrick Carney19:57

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:57

      ... gotta put yourself in the mindset of someone living in 1963.

   6. PCPatrick Carney19:59

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:00

      You know, you have to like figure out how like, what was this like for them? Like this was groundbreaking.

   8. PCPatrick Carney20:06

      Yeah, we played a Lenny Bruce, uh... It was like... I think it was li-... Was at like a ACLU benefit celebrating Lenny Bruce like 18 years ago but, uh, they gave us each a box set of his stuff and it was... Yeah, it was amazing. But yeah, I don't think... I don't think it translates super well.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:25

      No it- it doesn't because the- the culture is... Everything he's saying is almost like so accepted now.

   10. PCPatrick Carney20:31

       Yeah, yeah. He was like... Yeah it was-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:33

       He was just so far ahead of his time that when he was saying it back then, it was just groundbreaking.

   12. PCPatrick Carney20:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       But it's almost like (clears throat) that's the same thing about like Robert Johnson's music. You'll listen to the original recordings. I mean they, they th-... He was so revolutionary, there- there was people that thought he sold his soul. I mean, that's like the famous myth of- of Robert Johnson is he sold his soul to the devil to be able to play like that.

   14. PCPatrick Carney20:55

       Yeah. And he got-

   15. DADan Auerbach20:56

       Big story.

   16. PCPatrick Carney20:57

       Also, it's the best story.

   17. DADan Auerbach20:57

       Talk about fate though, I mean, he didn't have official recording session. I mean, it was like a guy in town who brought a f-... A, like a field recording set up. I mean, so it's just fate that he walked in the door. No one's got any- any like photos really. There's like four photographs of the guy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Wow.

   19. PCPatrick Carney21:13

       Three photos. Is the legend that Robert Lockwood Jr.'s his son or grandson?

   20. DADan Auerbach21:18

       No, I can't remember.

   21. PCPatrick Carney21:19

       Cousin or something?

   22. DADan Auerbach21:20

       Some relation.

   23. PCPatrick Carney21:21

       Didn't he die... Didn't... Wasn't he poisoned?

   24. DADan Auerbach21:23

       That's what they say, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       (inhales deeply) Damn.

   26. DADan Auerbach21:26

       They say that he was crawling around on his hands and knees before he died, like a dog.

   27. PCPatrick Carney21:30

       Like a Russian politician.

   28. DADan Auerbach21:31

       That's what they say.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Ooh.

   30. DADan Auerbach21:32

       'Cause he been poisoned.
8. 24:07 – 30:55

   Why live music is transformative: Link Wray, Hendrix proximity, Sabbath footage

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:07

      What... I mean, it seems like live music is something that people always love though so if you establish a culture of live music in an area, I wonder what makes that slip away like that?

   2. DADan Auerbach24:17

      Music goes out of fashion, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan24:19

      How is that possible? It's- it's the thing that... It's the most like a drug of any form of entertainment.... does music can put you into a, uh, happy mindset-

   4. DADan Auerbach24:28

      Oh, I don't mean music in general. I just mean that style of music.

   5. JRJoe Rogan24:32

      But I mean even, even that style. Well, I just, I always get confused when things that are really awesome lose popularity in an area while generally being still appreciated by anybody who hears them everywhere else. Like, in an ar- like, in the age of the internet, you would think, like, you would see, start seeing more places start. Because people really, if you go to see live music, it's fucking cool. And if you've never seen it and you only get it on video, you're really only getting, like, 60% of it or 70% of it.

   6. DADan Auerbach24:59

      Oh, it's life changing. Oh, yeah.

   7. PCPatrick Carney25:01

      It's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:01

      Yeah, being there is an- there's an extra element, right?

   9. DADan Auerbach25:03

      Oh, yeah.

   10. PCPatrick Carney25:03

       It doesn't... Music doesn't translate through a TV. I mean, I don't think so.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:08

       It's different.

   12. PCPatrick Carney25:09

       It's-

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:09

       It does work though. I mean, think of how many people never see you guys live but still love you. So it does work. The music does go through. But there's something about live that's, like, transformative. It's like you, it's like a drug. It's like, if, if a musician is on stage and they're nailing it and, and the crowd is all in, like, everybody's, like, synced in together, you know? And it's just, you leave there, you feel better. You literally feel like you just went through something, like, "Whoo, that was great."

   14. DADan Auerbach25:35

       Absolutely. Spiritual.

   15. JRJoe Rogan25:37

       Yeah.

   16. DADan Auerbach25:37

       Saw Link Wray, it felt like that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       Mm-hmm.

   18. DADan Auerbach25:39

       He, he walked on stage, he was in his 70s, they had to help him put his guitar on.

   19. JRJoe Rogan25:44

       Damn.

   20. DADan Auerbach25:44

       Um, and then he just ripped the whole fucking place apart. And everybody was going crazy.

   21. PCPatrick Carney25:49

       (laughs)

   22. DADan Auerbach25:49

       Begging for an encore and he never came back. It was amazing.

   23. PCPatrick Carney25:53

       Yeah, I mean-

   24. DADan Auerbach25:53

       And that stuck with me forever.

   25. PCPatrick Carney25:54

       Nothing kind of quite can rip your face off than being in the same room with, with, yeah, like, a great band.

   26. JRJoe Rogan26:02

       I was on, uh, news radio with Phil Hartman, and when Phil Hartman was, uh, I think he was 19, he worked at the, uh, The Whisky as, like, some sort of a, like, a kid that was, like, helping them make sure that speakers didn't fall off, like stagehands, some type of deal. And Hendrix was there.

   27. PCPatrick Carney26:19

       Whoa.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       So he's standing like this where the speaker is-

   29. DADan Auerbach26:23

       Over the p-

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       ... holding the speaker-
9. 30:55 – 37:56

   Stimulants, modern chaos, and the internet’s toxicity (Adderall to Twitter spats)

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:55

      It was too much. That, well, that was, uh, uh, do you think that people really knew like the long-term effects of speed back then? It seems like they didn't. (laughs)

   2. PCPatrick Carney31:05

      I don't know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      It seems like-

   4. DADan Auerbach31:06

      (laughs) I don't think so.

   5. PCPatrick Carney31:07

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:07

      ... it wasn't around before that, right?

   7. DADan Auerbach31:08

      I don't think they cared to.

   8. PCPatrick Carney31:09

      What, wasn't Hitler on speed? Did he-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:11

      Yes.

   10. DADan Auerbach31:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       You ever see the video?

   12. PCPatrick Carney31:12

       No.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       At the m- I think it was the 1936 Olympics. I forgot what year it is, but it's before World War II had officially kicked off. He's got the, the Nazi outfit on, and he's n- nodding back and forth and moving his hands like he could barely keep it together.

   14. PCPatrick Carney31:25

       (laughs) Oh, god.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       See if you can find it. It's, it's crazy to watch. He looks so cracked out, and this was the guy that started the fucking war. This is World War II from this fucking asshole. Look at him. (laughs)

   16. PCPatrick Carney31:36

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       Isn't that wild?

   18. DADan Auerbach31:39

       Holy shit.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:40

       Look at him tweaking.

   20. PCPatrick Carney31:41

       Ay, ay, ay.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       He's tweaking so hard. (laughs)

   22. PCPatrick Carney31:43

       (laughs)

   23. DADan Auerbach31:43

       He's like I don't, I don't need ... He doesn't even need binoculars. Everybody else needs binoculars. (laughs)

   24. PCPatrick Carney31:46

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:47

       I mean, that is crazy. When you look at him compared to everybody around him.

   26. PCPatrick Carney31:51

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       That's just wild, man.

   28. PCPatrick Carney31:54

       So fucked up.

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       And what's crazy is like World War II was almost an amphetamine-driven war.

   30. PCPatrick Carney32:02

       Oh, yeah.
10. 37:56 – 46:54

    High school stories turned into art: fights, sex-ed shock tactics, and dark scandals

    1. PCPatrick Carney37:56

       When we were making this album, it was like the first time I'd really socialized outside my house in, in a year, 'cause we were pretty, you know-

    2. JRJoe Rogan38:04

       Locked down.

    3. PCPatrick Carney38:05

       Locked down. So we would... It was a lot of fun. We'd go to Dan's studio and just, like, shoot the shit, and, um, you know, tell stories 'cause we went to the same high school. And there are a lot of stories, a lot... just insane stories from high school, how fun it was, how crazy. But we were kind of, like, the last generation or close to it, you know, pre-cell phone, pre-social media.

    4. JRJoe Rogan38:27

       Mm-hmm.

    5. PCPatrick Carney38:27

       You know, I mean, we used to see, like, the girls at our school, the Black girls specifically, would get into these fights that were just so epic that... I mean, it would just... It was rattling. I saw this girl just get thrown through the trophy case.

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:42

       Oh, shit.

    7. PCPatrick Carney38:43

       And that kind of stuff would happen, like- ... a- an- all the time. Every day. (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:46

       Jesus.

    9. PCPatrick Carney38:46

       It was just insane. And, um, like I talk... I think about my stepdaughter who goes to this really fancy private school in Nashville, and yeah, like they... she's never seen a fight. She's never- I'd say the same thing to my daughter. I'm like, "Were there any fights today?" She's like, "What are you talking about?" (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:01

        (laughs)

    11. PCPatrick Carney39:02

        Nobody fights in our school.

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:03

        Isn't that weird, though, that we can look back, as long as we survived those experiences? You look back at them like there's something kind of cool about it, like it flavors your life, but you don't want your kids to be exposed to that, right?

    13. PCPatrick Carney39:16

        (sighs) We made, we, we made a video for our-

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:18

        Oh.

    15. PCPatrick Carney39:19

        ... for our first single off this record called Wild Child, and we were... The whole concept was that we were just, like, gonna try to, like, uh, work in some things that happened to us in high school, but kind of put it through the, you know, the concept, like, of high school today, what, like, what, what kids can get into, the trouble that kids can get into, but we were talking about, like, our high school, uh, a lot, and, um... We had this health teacher who smoked a pipe while we ran track. He's like the football coach. And (laughs) the way that he taught sex ed, which is like he didn't go into any detail about anything, but he grabbed this stack of, uh-

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        (laughs)

    17. PCPatrick Carney39:58

        ... photographs of, of venereal diseases, and he's like, "Here we go." Venereal. He's like, "Genital warts."

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:05

        Oh.

    19. PCPatrick Carney40:05

        "Oh, hell no."

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:06

        (laughs)

    21. PCPatrick Carney40:07

        Oh, hell no! And he'd be like, "Look at this," and he'd pass it around, and the kid would, "Ugh!" Now they wanted to touch it, and they went through...

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:14

        (laughs)

    23. PCPatrick Carney40:14

        This was probably the most effective health class I've, you know. It scared us straight, man. It was insane.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        (laughs)

    25. PCPatrick Carney40:22

        (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:22

        That sounds like a great strategy. Show people.

    27. PCPatrick Carney40:26

        (laughs) Yeah, tell-

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:27

        Can they still do that or no?

    29. PCPatrick Carney40:30

        Uh, I don't know. It worked on... It worked for me.

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:33

        I think you'd probably get in trouble for showing infected genitals in class.
11. 46:54 – 1:07:28

    Drugs, MKUltra-era lore, UFO believers, and billionaire yacht conspiracy vibes

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       Well, there's ... We live in a time where you can get ketamine drips. You can get therapeutic ketamine drips.

    2. PCPatrick Carney46:59

       I know a dude who, who was working with me who got into that and had, had a complete meltdown. Just basically ran away from me and-

    3. NANarrator47:07

       (laughs)

    4. PCPatrick Carney47:07

       ... from, from ... Moved to a different city.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       I can't speak to it-

    6. PCPatrick Carney47:11

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       ... 'cause I haven't done it, but I know, uh, friends that have done it for depression.

    8. PCPatrick Carney47:16

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       Like my friend Neil did it for depress- Neil Brennan, and he's a dude. He goes, "I go into this fucking office." He goes, "They, they rig me up with this thing. I think, oh, it's probably, you know, just gonna be like a weird sort of sedative state." He goes, "No, I'm full on tripping balls." You're just psychedelic tripping in a doctor's office.

    10. PCPatrick Carney47:36

        Dude, it's-

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:37

        And you can get it all, all over the place.

    12. PCPatrick Carney47:39

        I asked my friend. I was like, "What ... So what happens when you take it?" He's like, "Well, it's weird. I have the same experience every time I've taken it." I was like, "Oh yeah, what's that?" He's like, "Yeah, the last 24 hours play back in a- fast, in, in fast speed, but in real- you know, in order. I get ... I replay the last 24 hours." And I was like, "Fuck that shit." (laughs)

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:57

        Fuck that shit. (laughs)

    14. PCPatrick Carney47:58

        Dude. (laughs) That's a sign that you shouldn't be doing that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan48:01

        Fuck that. (laughs)

    16. NANarrator48:02

        What the fuck is that?

    17. JRJoe Rogan48:03

        Oh my God.

    18. PCPatrick Carney48:04

        I don't know, dude.

    19. NANarrator48:05

        Dumbest TiVo ever.

    20. PCPatrick Carney48:07

        (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan48:07

        Kids get add- I knew a guy who died from it. A guy who was using it recreationally. A guy who was a kickboxer.

    22. NANarrator48:11

        Died from Special K?

    23. JRJoe Rogan48:12

        Yeah, he was doing it too much and he died. He was addicted to it.

    24. PCPatrick Carney48:15

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan48:15

        He wanted to do it all the time.

    26. NANarrator48:17

        I've never even heard of that.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:18

        Yeah. Apparently with some people they get addicted. They, he went into a treatment place out in Thousand Oaks. It was another friend of mine put him in there and I remember thinking, "Man, that's the stuff that John Lilly used to take when he was in the isolation tank." He used to intramuscularly ...

    28. NANarrator48:32

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:32

        Yeah. He used to shoot himself up with ketamine. He'd get in the tank, bang, hit his thigh with a fucking needle-

    30. NANarrator48:39

        (laughs)
12. 1:07:28 – 1:21:34

    Nature anxiety tour: alligators, invasive pythons, rats in toilets, and owl attacks

    1. PCPatrick Carney1:07:28

       I bought a house, uh, near Charleston l- a couple years ago and, um, it's weird living in a place where there's, like, alligators.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

       Ooh, Jesus.

    3. PCPatrick Carney1:07:36

       You know? And I started golfing, uh, recently and, uh, it's very unnerving to... You know-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:07:43

       Yeah.

    5. PCPatrick Carney1:07:44

       Not... You know, I'm a Ohio kid, I'm sitting there and, like, look over and I'm like, "Holy shit, there's like a 10-foot fucking alligator right here near my golf ball." Um, fucking insane. But yeah, I still, I'm still not comfortable, you know, obviously being around a huge alligator like that, but-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:02

       You shouldn't be.

    7. PCPatrick Carney1:08:03

       Yeah. But I rented this house in, uh, Kiawah Island right when I was moving to... You know, buying this house in Charleston. Kiawah is like a, it's like a golf kind of wonderland, uh, right south of Charleston. There's like 10 golf courses and some, like, luxury homes. I rented this place and, um, you know, I was like, "Oh man, there's alligators everywhere. I should, like, look up, like, when was the last alligator, like, attack?" You know? And they're like, "Oh, some w- woman was killed..." This was, like, May of 2020, like, "Some woman was killed in Kiawah." And that was like two weeks earlier. I was like, "I wonder where that happened?" It... Dude, it happened like 150 feet from the front door (laughs) of this house I rented. This woman was taking a selfie. She went to go take a selfie, uh, with a alligator and, like, she apparently, like, took it and then walked away and she's like, "That's the last time I'll do that." Because it, like, snapped at her and it, like, apparently went up and...

    8. NANarrator1:08:58

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

    9. PCPatrick Carney1:09:00

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:01

        Yeah, they can. They don't a lot, but they can. They certainly fucking can eat you. They've eaten people all the time. It's just a weird thing that people are too comfortable around them. I don't understand it. Like, they get, they get real close to them and take pictures.

    11. PCPatrick Carney1:09:14

        Dude.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:15

        It's like what? Just because it's not moving doesn't mean it can't move.

    13. DADan Auerbach1:09:18

        We had family in Saint Augustine, Florida. We'd go there every summer and they've got the alligator farm there. It's so awesome.

    14. PCPatrick Carney1:09:24

        Yeah.

    15. DADan Auerbach1:09:24

        It would just scare the shit out of me, getting that close to alligators, man.

    16. PCPatrick Carney1:09:28

        Holding a... that dinosaur?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:09:30

        I lived in, uh, Gainesville, Florida for three years and, uh, back then we'd throw marshmallows into the lake and they would eat the marshmallows.

    18. DADan Auerbach1:09:37

        (laughs)

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:09:38

        And then eventually they decided that was bad for the alligators, so they asked people to not do it.

    20. PCPatrick Carney1:09:42

        They all got diabetes. (laughs)

    21. DADan Auerbach1:09:45

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:09:45

        I mean, I guess it probably isn't good for them, but-

    23. PCPatrick Carney1:09:47

        But-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:47

        But you... Just to see it, like, how weird it was that there was... I'm like, these things aren't even, like, fenced in. This is just a lake. And we'd thr-... I mean, it wasn't like some sort of organized park and this is, "Oh, they've all got... They're taking care of these alligators." No, these are wild alligators just hanging out.

    25. PCPatrick Carney1:10:02

        Mm-hmm. There's this, uh, amusement park in Ohio called Cedar Point and, like, there's like a carp infestation in Lake Erie. You would go up there and they'd have like... You could buy phish food and throw it in, but what we all realized they just spit, they just spit in the water and they eat... ju- jump up, eat your spit.

    26. DADan Auerbach1:10:19

        (laughs)

    27. PCPatrick Carney1:10:20

        But I... You know, I thought it was really fucking scary that these fish were so... Just were ready to eat anything. But yeah, the alligator thing, man.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:10:31

        And they're nothing compared to crocodiles.

    29. PCPatrick Carney1:10:33

        No.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:10:33

        One of the things they found in the Everglades is, uh, Nile crocodiles, and they're really worried that there's a breeding population. They don't think there is, but they've definitely found a couple Nile crocodiles. Those are the big ones that eat, like, zebras and shit.

Episode duration: 3:42:12