Joe Rogan Experience #1819 - Cameron Hanes

Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, and host of the podcast “Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.” His latest book, “Endure: How to Work Hard, Outlast, and Keep Hammering,” is out on May 17. http://www.cameronhanes.com/

Joe RoganhostCameron Hanesguest

Jun 27, 20242h 45mWatch on YouTube ↗

EVERY SPOKEN WORD

150 min read · 30,277 words

0:00 – 0:47
Endure launches: becoming a “real” author and the story behind the cover photo
1. NANarrator
  (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
2. The Joe Rogan Experience.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) And we're up. Cameron Hanes, author.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  How's it feel to be an author? You've been... You've actually been an author for a long time now.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, but-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  You've ... Backcountry Bowhunting. When did you write that?
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Not really ... Those didn't really count. Those were, like, bowhunting books, so it's like ... I mean, I guess it counts, but it's different than ... This is an actual book book.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  This is a real book.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Endure. It's from a real publisher.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, exactly. So-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  It's legit.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  The other ones weren't really like that. I've had two other books. Backcountry Bow Trophy... Or wait, Bowhunting Trophy Blacktail was in 1999, and Backcountry Bowhunting was in 2006.
0:47 – 2:25
Moose hunt hardship and Roy’s legacy in the mountains
1. JRJoe Rogan
  And then this one is tomorrow, which is today. If you're listening to this, it's coming out today. It's Endure, and, uh, it's got... You've got that face of you from when you were moose hunting. You have that-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, that's, uh-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... manliest, manliest photo with the cheek cut and the blood trickling down your face. When you had that, when that... when the ch- blood was trickling down your face, were you like, "Ooh, get some pictures."
4. CHCameron Hanes
  No.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  "'Cause it's pretty fucking manly."
6. CHCameron Hanes
  I was-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
8. CHCameron Hanes
  So, Roy wasn't up there. That was, that was Roy and I's last hunt, but he wasn't up there yet, and I was going through these alders, snow-covered, pretty foggy. And all... It was weird, um, when you're fighting through alders, they're slapping you in the face and things like that, and I slipped, and there's one that was broke, and it was kind of sharp, and I slipped, and it went right on my cheek. And I was thinking to myself at the time, I'm like, "Could have taken out an eye."
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  You know, that would have been great. But it just did that, and uh-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  There it is. Come on, man. That's probably one of the most badass pictures a person's ever taken.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  So I got, I got up. Thank you. Selfie. And I got up there-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
14. CHCameron Hanes
  And then I got to the top and was kind of looking around, and you can see it's kind of foggy back there. And then I didn't know m- my... I actually had blood. And then, yeah, selfie.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Did you, like, look at it in a selfie to, to-
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... find the blood?
18. CHCameron Hanes
  I had my phone. I looked. I was like, "Oh, okay, cool."
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Sample shot of that.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Impress all the fellas back home. (laughs)
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Well, it turned in... It's meaningful because it was an amazing hunt. It was a hard hunt, and it was... Roy and I had... You know, it was a hunt we always... It's what we love to do, hard, cold, miserable, grizzly bears, long pack, killed a good bull. Um, just loved it.
2:25 – 5:12
The real dangers of sheep-country: falling, exposure, and the downclimb problem
1. JRJoe Rogan
  And this is the la- For people who don't know, um, Roy was your good friend who got you into bowhunting who died shortly afterwards. He fell while, uh, sheep hunting-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and fell to his death, which is app- a lot more common than I thought it was. I was talking to someone about, uh, people falling while sheep hunting-
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and he was saying like, "It happens every year."
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, it's, uh... What I've noticed, 'cause there's a lot of guys I look up to because of their mountain abilities and/or hunting or just... They're just, I don't know, just people I look up to. If you spend a lot of times in the mount- a lot of time in the mountains, there's risk. And, you know, eventually, it only takes one.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  And those kind of mountains, like those sheep hunting mountains, are very steep. It's rugged terrain-
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and it's snowy and cliff, you know, like-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Sometimes. Sometimes.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Where Roy fell, it was dry at that time, and it was just, it was just one... 'Cause there's a dry side of the mountain, and then on the north side or the other side, it's cooler, so there's more snow and the ice as, as you mentioned. Like, where I killed my sheep on that same hunt in 2008, that was on the, the cold side. Where he fell on the, on the warm side, it was dry, but it's so steep, and s- it just takes one mistake. And, you know, he'd, he'd been up there y- for years.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Remy Warren was on the podcast a couple weeks ago.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And he was telling me a story about sheep hunting that, uh... He was guiding, actually. And, uh, he was guiding this woman, and she killed a sheep, but it fell on this, like, ledge on a cliff. And so he figured, "You know, I'll just climb over there and knock it loose."
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  And then he climbed over there and knocked it loose and then basically had a panic attack, and he realized, like, how steep it was and how very dangerous it was.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And then when he got back, the woman was screaming and cussing and hitting him. You know, "Don't you ever fucking do that again." Like, he was-
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, right. She was scared.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  He almost... She was terrified, 'cause he almost died. I mean, he was like, uh, "This is the most scared I've ever been while, like, climbing around on something."
22. CHCameron Hanes
  What the hardest thing for me is climbing up is way different than trying to come down.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  And you can, you can feel... And gravity's kind of keeping you against the rocks a little bit. It's just, it's just different. You're climbing up. You're looking for handholds and footholds.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  But coming down, everything-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  You can't see.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  ... everything changes.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  And-
5:12 – 10:06
Risk vs reward: thrill-seeking, apex predators, and why the wild feels different
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Ugh. I was reading about this guy who died in front of his family recently on a vacation. He was cliff diving, and he decided to try to just make this crazy jump, and he didn't jump far enough.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And he hit the rocks, and his family was filming him.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh my God.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Uh, fuck cliff diving.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  The- Those people are out of their minds.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And, you know, it's like, people do things for these, for these, like, quick little weird thrills.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And I d- I just... I don't understand it for the life of me. Maybe it's because I know so many people that have gotten hurt doing dangerous things that I think are maybe more worthwhile.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Like hunting or, like-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... you know.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  There's a reward at the end.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. But, like, when we talked to Andy Stumpf. Andy, that goddamn psychopath.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  He's so crazy. He's always, like, sending me, like, videos of him skydiving.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  In the squirrel suit.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  "Don't you want to try this?" I'm like, "No."
22. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
23. JRJoe Rogan
  "No."
24. CHCameron Hanes
  No, that's even... Yeah, but he's in the squirrel suit also.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  All of it. The squirrel suit's the scariest.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  ... oh, just amazing. But yeah, people need that, that thrill makes them feel alive, I think.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't get it. I'm good. (laughs)
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. I like, I like if there's ... If I'm doing something, if it's-
10:06 – 15:16
Wild game as ‘superfood’: memory, nutrition, and why wilderness animals feel different
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. And you're running around, and if you're successful you get an animal, and then you're at home eating that animal, you know, weeks, months later, thinking about that experience and it brings that experience back-
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  ... back to you in a weird way. It's very hard to describe to people, but when I eat a piece of elk, I think of where I was when, when I shot that animal and it's-
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. For me, it's, it's not ... The meat kinda looks like meat, but for me, where it's really driven home, the reality is when I open the freezer and I see how the packages are labeled-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  ... and it'll say Colorado bat- elk backstrap-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  ... 20, you know, 20, or ... And I go right back. That, those packages of meat are ... capture this memory or this experience like nothing else to me.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  'Cause it's like saying what it d- the animal is, w- what year it was, and then I remember that episode-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  ... or that, that experience. And a, a freezer with, with meat in it just does it for me.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  And it's not regular meat either. It's like ... Uh, you know, I've been talking to Jaco about this.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like superfood. There's something about it. Like, for someone who's eaten steak their whole life and then you eat elk, you're like, "Hey, what's going on here?"
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, "Why do I feel so good?"
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like there's something in that meat. There's, like, a quality to wild game. You know, and I think people wanna talk about, like, you know, whether or not, pff, you know, ranchers use hormones or antibiotics. There's a lot of that talk w- ... I'm not sure if they do or don't. I don't think that f- I feel that in the meat, but what I feel is the difference between an animal that is running away from giant cats and wolves and bears and it's just alive.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, the meat is alive. There's some, there's some power to it.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, it's a more potent living creature.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And when you eat that more potent living creature, it's more nutritious. That's proven by science. I mean, when they, they analyze the difference between a 12-ounce piece of elk versus a 12-ounce piece of beef, it's like double the protein.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  And who knows what the amino acid count is and the vitamin count, but I'm sure it's through the roof.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  ... and the stuff they may be putting in or feeding-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  ... the animal, the beef.
15:16 – 18:48
Vegan performance debates: Canelo backlash, Game Changers, and ‘surviving vs thriving’
1. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. I, I, I get beat up for this too, because I guess, you know, vegans can say whatever they want about hunters and it's good to go. I put up... I remember I put up one thing about a vegan. I can't remember what it was. It was like someb- their diet and it's like they went from this healthy person to looking pretty sickly.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, there's a lot of those people.
3. CHCameron Hanes
  And it's kind of a, a meme joke thing and I'm just like, "Oh no, actually..." God, and this is... I'm probably stepping in. I know you can't get canceled, but maybe I can. But I put up, uh, something about Canelo, 'cause I guess-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
5. CHCameron Hanes
  ... I guess he went vegan.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, he went vegan for his last fight.
7. CHCameron Hanes
  And all I put up was, "That worked well."
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
9. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  I reposted it.
11. CHCameron Hanes
  Okay. (laughs) So-
12. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) I reposted in my Instagram stories.
13. CHCameron Hanes
  I got so much hate for that.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. CHCameron Hanes
  You know? And it's like, we get crucified for being, you know, killers and meat eaters and all this. I put up one joke meme about Canelo, who looked awful compared to how he... And with the one thing that changed was his diet, and then I'll, all of a sudden I'm the bad guy. But anyway.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, there's two things going on there. One, Bivol is a real legit light heavyweight, and that's only the second light heavyweight that Canelo had fought. The first one was Kovalev, but Kovalev was at the end of his career.
17. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Kovalev had lost a bunch of times, he'd been stopped, and he wasn't the same guy as he was like when he fought Andre Ward the first time.
19. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  But Kovalev when he was the man, when he was a light heavyweight champion, was a real savage.
21. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  And he was winning that fight with Canelo too, by the way.
23. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  There's a reason why there's weight classes.
25. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  And Canelo fought Floyd Mayweather. I believe he fought him at 152 pounds, which is the lightest he's ever fought.
27. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Generally, he would fight at 152, 54 and then he moved up, fought middleweight, and that's where he fought Gennad- I think he fought Triple G, um, uh, Gennady Golovkin. I think he fought him at 60 or it might have been s- super middleweight. Find out if that's... So then there's a jump, man. And the j- I think it was 160 that Gennad- Golovkin was the middleweight champion. And so the... That 15 pound jump is giant.
29. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. But you... So you want to go up in weight and quit eating meat?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Let's see what it says here. Um, 60. Yeah. Okay. So that was the... They fought three t- twice. They were supposed to fight a third time, but it looks like he's gonna have a rematch with Bivol instead.
18:48 – 21:28
Joe’s vegetarian experiment and combat-sport weight lessons
1. JRJoe Rogan
  I was a vegetarian for six months.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Well-
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Did I ever tell you that? When I was fighting, 'cause I was having a really hard time making weight.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Hmm.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, I wound, I was, I was, you know, I was, uh, competing when I was 17, I won the state championship at 140 pounds and the next weight class was 154 and I was struggling at, wa- I couldn't really get, I wasn't 140, I was like 153, 154-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and I would dehydrate the shit out of myself-
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... make the weight, and then I have to fight on the same day. It was not good. And I was fighting... I, I didn't... I won, but I felt like shit.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  I was like, "I could've fucked those guys up if I was-"
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  "... like, if I felt my best."
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Strong, right.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  And then I did it for a while to try to lean out-
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but I was just tired all the time.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And I know I probably wasn't doing it right and I've never done it right, where, you know, you eat pea protein and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone-
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  But when I went, when I started eating meat, that's when I became at my best.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  When I went on my, my best performance run as a competitor, it was all eating meat. And that's mostly what I ate, was meat.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Right. Well-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  And I felt a lot different. And that was the only example that I've ever had 'cause it's the stre- only stretch of my life-
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  ... when I was competing at a m- a, a very intense thing.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  And I did eat, I ate nothing but vegetables-
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
21:28 – 31:11
UFC weigh-in controversies and why Oliveira is uniquely dangerous
1. JRJoe Rogan
  And, uh, he got screwed in his last fight. They, there was, uh, some shenanigans with the scale, uh, some people had messed with the scale. Here's a problem with these digital scales. Um, foreign fighters, uh, they use kilograms.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And in America, obviously, we use pounds.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And so the foreign fighters were... Like, these scales are calibrated and then the foreign fighters would reset the scale-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... so they could switch it back to kilograms. So it fucks up the, the whole calibration.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, I see.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  And so he would weigh in, or he weighed in, like, the night before the weigh-ins. He was like, "Oh, I'm good to go."
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  And then in the morning, he goes and shows up for the weight cut and it's a pound plus off. And that is directly related to this calibration thing.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Calibration issue, yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  So-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Makes sense.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... now they have a U- the UFC has a new policy because of this-
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where they have a guard who watches over the scale-
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  ... 24 hours a day. Like, they have shifts-
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  ... where no one can fuck with the scale. Like, they, if you're gonna get on that scale to try yourself, they're gonna watch you like a hawk and you don't press any buttons. You don't... Just get on, put-
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... your weight, get off. That's it.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  So these guys were monkeying around with the scale and-
26. CHCameron Hanes
  That's surprising that e- even at the level that UFC's at right now, it's, that was still, still hadn't got that figured out.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  It's Phoenix.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what it is.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, I see.
31:11 – 37:49
Resilience in elite fighting: Khamzat vs Burns, front-runners, and championship psychology
1. JRJoe Rogan
  But, you wanna talk about a great attitude, Tony Ferguson, same thing, he's like, uh, "Onward and upward." You know?
2. CHCameron Hanes
  I know.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  The same, same goal, back on the grind.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  I can't imagine.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, back training.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  I can't imagine that job. You pretty much have to, I think, have that attitude, and just saying ... But you have to be questioning everything.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  And that-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  ... it's gonna be hard.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's, you know, you're questioning it, and then you have to overrule those questions.
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right? You, that's the champion's curse. Because the thing that gets you to the dance is this unflappable belief in yourself. But that's also the thing that makes you stick around too long.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Like when Sugar Ray Leonard fought Terry Norris.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  It was like, "Jesus Christ, I don't wanna watch this."
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like when you realize a guy is not supposed to be in there against a guy who is at the peak of his abilities.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And that's when things get spooky, because it's like, that's when you see, like, your heroes get tuned up-
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and smashed.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  That's where the UFC is pretty good. They, they're, they don't really put, like, the guys who've been in it forever against the new elite guys.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Right. Sometimes they do. I mean, it's just-
26. CHCameron Hanes
  I've heard talk of Diaz and, and (sighs) -
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Khamzat?
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  That's scary.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  Well, Khamzat wants to fight everybody.
37:49 – 45:39
Colby–Masvidal fallout and the ethics of ‘on sight’ violence
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, you're friends with Colby. And, um... What is this here? July 30th, I accept. Dustin P- Poirier targets 170-pound showdown with Colby Covington. Holy shit.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  You know, I-
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow, he changed his mind.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, so... Or does he know that because Colby's going through all this other stuff with-
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  ... Masvidal and, you know, getting sucker punched, is he knowing it's not gonna happen, so he's just getting his name out there?
9. JRJoe Rogan
  So did Colby-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  I don't think he's responded.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... say it first?
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Well, back in the... Yeah, I mean-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  But, right, back in the day.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  ... months and months ago.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  So this a whole string of... Oh, someone, whoever this guy is, LikeICare (laughs)
16. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs)
17. JRJoe Rogan
  What a great name. LikeICare got Colby to bite or got Dustin to bite.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And he said, "Fight Colby." And, uh, he said, "July 30th, I accept."
20. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay.
22. CHCameron Hanes
  And I haven't seen Colby respond, but I would love to see that fight.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, yeah, but what I was getting to was you're friends with Colby, and so you know what happened when, um, Jorge Masvidal sucker punched Colby.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  He was hurt.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't prepared for the punch, you know?
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. CHCameron Hanes
  So obviously it's-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Clearly.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  It was, uh, different than in a fight when-
45:39 – 1:05:02
Mike Tyson, Francis Ngannou, and what ‘warrior focus’ really looks like
1. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) You know, when Mike Tyson was in here, he was thanking me for turning him on to wild game.
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Really?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  He's been getting wild game?
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
6. CHCameron Hanes
  From bison?
7. JRJoe Rogan
  But I, I offered to get him some elk.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  But I never got it to him. He, we never connected after that.
10. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh, okay.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  But he went to, uh, somewhere and got a lot of bison. He got, uh, uh-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Oh.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  He was eating a lot of bison-
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah, okay.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  ... before, uh, he started training again. He's like, "Oh, my God, it made such a difference."
16. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  He thanked me during the last podcast for turning it on, 'cause I'm always talking about wild game eating.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  And he's like, "It made a big difference. That's what I eat now is wild game." So if Mike Tyson says that, I'd fucking listen.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs) Yeah, no kidding.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  If Mike Tyson, at 55 years of age, who looks that damn good-
22. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... which is incredible.
24. CHCameron Hanes
  I still, I'm addicted to still his old footage of his fights-
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh.
26. CHCameron Hanes
  ... and his... And the one where he's in the ring, and he's talking about, you know, w- what-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  "I'm Alexander the Greatest."
28. CHCameron Hanes
  Yes.
29. NANarrator
  Yeah.
30. CHCameron Hanes
  That-
1:05:02 – 1:45:37
Endure as a life philosophy: grinding daily, disappointment, and finding hope from nothing
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's like there's, it's, there's something to all these things that's connected, whether it's to you when you do these 240-mile runs, when you do these races, or when you prepare for mountain hunting. It's like there's something to all those things that's attractive to people. And that's one of the, the cool things about your... the title of your book, Endure, because it's, it's a perfect title for what you stand for and what, what's so interesting about this, because everybody knows how hard it is to endure. It's, it's really hard to push, like, when you're tired and you... it's like these little creeping thoughts in your head of like, "Just quit now. Just take a break. Let's just get some water. Let's take a shit. Let's do something. Let's do..."
2. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  And you gotta say no, but you don't just got to say no now. You have to say no three seconds from now. You have to say no an hour from now.
4. CHCameron Hanes
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  You have to say no... and keep saying no over and over aga... And then you have to do it every day-
6. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for your whole life.
8. CHCameron Hanes
  Yeah.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the secret to the Cam Hane story-
10. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs) Yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  ... is that you s... you just figured out a way, I don't know what it is-
12. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... but you figured out a way to push hard every day no matter what.
14. CHCameron Hanes
  Right. And that... I mean, the, the whole point to the, to the book, I didn't have this big dream to write a book. Um, Esther, my book agent, she was... heard the story and knew of me and thought that, you know, we could get this out there, and I'm just like kind of a willing participant, but I wasn't seeking it out. But the whole point to it is just to show people what, what is possible, because if... I always say, if I did it, anybody can do it. But it takes that, like what you said, that enduring every day, and there's gonna be things that come up. There's gonna be challenges. There are gonna be people... Your life is gonna feel terrible. You're gonna feel like you're alone. All this, but you keep working, keep pushing, keep pushing.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. CHCameron Hanes
  And anybody can make it out.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  That's what's so hard about it though, is that it never ends. And the thing that's so interesting about people like yourself...... um, that do these ultra-marathon races and that, that run so often and put in so many miles, i- is that no one wants to do that. Like, I don't even think you wanna do it. You do it because you know it has to be done.
18. CHCameron Hanes
  Mm-hmm.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  But I guarantee you, there's times where you don't wanna do it.
20. CHCameron Hanes
  There's, uh ... I mean-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  How much, uh, how much of the time when you run do you not wanna run?
22. CHCameron Hanes
  (laughs) I, I don't know. It, it depends on the day because I'm, as you said, we're the same age so, you know, I'm, I'm banged up. So, there are some days where every mile, a half-mile is hard and it hurts, and I'm like, "This is terrible." Then there's those special days where everything's clicking and I'm l- I'm running free and I'm running to the mountain. I can see the mountain across town that I run to. I can see ... It's kind of, you know, flat where I live, but the mountain rises up and I can see it, and I'm like, "That's where I'm going. That's my goal." And it's like, it's almost this microcosm of life. It's like, "Well, there, what's your goal?" And so my goal is to always bend just to keep pushing, and this bowhunting thing has always driven me, and to be, be something I could be proud of. And so that's been what I've been running towards. And so days like that, it's like, "This is what I was born to do."

Episode duration: 2:45:43

Install uListen for AI-powered chat & search across the full episode — Get Full Transcript

Transcript of episode 6UI7K-Mr8WI

Get more out of YouTube videos.

High quality summaries for YouTube videos. Accurate transcripts to search & find moments. Powered by ChatGPT & Claude AI.

iOS

Android

Claude

Chrome

Endure launches: becoming a “real” author and the story behind the cover photo

Moose hunt hardship and Roy’s legacy in the mountains

The real dangers of sheep-country: falling, exposure, and the downclimb problem

Risk vs reward: thrill-seeking, apex predators, and why the wild feels different

Wild game as ‘superfood’: memory, nutrition, and why wilderness animals feel different

Vegan performance debates: Canelo backlash, Game Changers, and ‘surviving vs thriving’

Joe’s vegetarian experiment and combat-sport weight lessons

UFC weigh-in controversies and why Oliveira is uniquely dangerous

Resilience in elite fighting: Khamzat vs Burns, front-runners, and championship psychology

Colby–Masvidal fallout and the ethics of ‘on sight’ violence

Mike Tyson, Francis Ngannou, and what ‘warrior focus’ really looks like

Endure as a life philosophy: grinding daily, disappointment, and finding hope from nothing

Get more out of YouTube videos.