Joe Rogan Experience #1823 - Neal Brennan

1. 0:00 – 0:24

   Basement-podcast nostalgia and the “same show, just scaled” vibe

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   4. NBNeal Brennan0:12

      Bro.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Hello, my bro.

   6. NBNeal Brennan0:13

      Hey, buddy. What's going on? What are you doing? Yo, this is the same ...

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      You're slowly opening that bottle.

   8. NBNeal Brennan0:17

      This is the same podcast we used to do in your basement, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Basically.

   10. NBNeal Brennan0:20

       The same.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Yeah, it's just a little different.

   12. NBNeal Brennan0:21

       Same one, just scaled out?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       It's not much different in terms of how they ... I don't fucking know.

2. 0:24 – 2:40

   Fame “antibodies”: managing attention, requests, and financial traps

   1. NBNeal Brennan0:24

      What happened to it? (laughs) I was wondering what happened to it, and then I got an email that said your friend Joe's doing a podcast in Austin. Um, congrats, buddy.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:34

      Thanks, man.

   3. NBNeal Brennan0:35

      You don't seem to care that much-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:39

      (laughs)

   5. NBNeal Brennan0:39

      ... which I like.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:40

      What does that mean? (laughs)

   7. NBNeal Brennan0:41

      Uh, you just didn't, like, moo.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:43

      I'm the same person.

   9. NBNeal Brennan0:43

      Like, you've never been especially, like, susceptible to ... I, I feel like fame was eased on you s- like, incrementally-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yes.

   11. NBNeal Brennan0:52

       ... and then, like, a lot at once, but you were so used to it that you're just like, "Hmm."

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Yeah, I can handle it. It's, uh, it's weird. It's not, it's not normal. It's definitely not, uh, you don't want to take it all in one shot. Like, if you, like a Demi Lovato type character-

   13. NBNeal Brennan1:06

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       ... or some young celebrity-

   15. NBNeal Brennan1:08

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       ... I, I fucking pity those people so much.

   17. NBNeal Brennan1:11

       Under 30, you have no chance.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       (sighs) I don't know how they do it. I mean, I got on television when I was 26 or 27, the first show that I ever did, and it wa- I wasn't famous. You know, it was like, "Oh, there's a guy that I think I might've saw you on TV."

   19. NBNeal Brennan1:25

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       And then it's, like, slowly over time built to Fear Factor, and then the UFC, and then ultimately the podcast. And then, you know, and then the latest version of the podcast, which is just impossible to handle. If you're a normal person that just went right into that, you would lose your fucking mind.

   21. NBNeal Brennan1:43

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       You wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to adjust.

   23. NBNeal Brennan1:45

       You've developed antibodies to like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       Yeah, yeah, I'm boosted.

   25. NBNeal Brennan1:47

       You know what's happening. You're like, oh, you know-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. NBNeal Brennan1:51

       ... when someone's hovering.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Mm-hmm.

   29. NBNeal Brennan1:52

       You know when, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Yeah.
3. 2:40 – 4:43

   Why Austin works: escaping LA traffic, crowds, and a dying “regular Hollywood”

   1. NBNeal Brennan2:40

      Uh, and your, uh, uh, Au- t- can you tell me about Austin quickly?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:46

      I love it. It's great. People are super friendly, really kind. Um, there's way less of them. Traffic is a joke. It's ridiculous. They think traffic's bad. It's funny. It's funny. Their traffic bad is like, "It took me five extra minutes."

   3. NBNeal Brennan3:00

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      Um, it's, uh, there's a thing that happens when you get too many people. It's like, uh, you don't care about them anymore. They become a burden, and that's what happens-

   5. NBNeal Brennan3:09

      Hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      ... when you hit the 405 at, like, 4:00 in the afternoon and you're like, "Fuck this."

   7. NBNeal Brennan3:13

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      Where it's just, like, you can't believe you have to get to Redondo, you know?

   9. NBNeal Brennan3:16

      You resent everyone.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:18

       Everyone. Yeah.

   11. NBNeal Brennan3:18

       Literally everyone.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       I went-

   13. NBNeal Brennan3:20

       Ambulance driver, fucking everyone.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       I went to visit a friend of mine and he was down, uh, like, I think it was, like, Newport Beach, and it took me three hours to get there. I was like, "This is fucking insane. This should be a, you know, a 45-minute drive."

   15. NBNeal Brennan3:33

       Ian Edwards-

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       It took three hours.

   17. NBNeal Brennan3:33

       ... has been doing a joke about how, how he started driving places during COVID.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Yeah, just to see-

   19. NBNeal Brennan3:38

       Just to see how long it took. (laughs) Fucking so fun.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       See how long it really takes. (laughs)

   21. NBNeal Brennan3:41

       Yeah, so goddamn fun.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       But that's LA. It's just unnecessary. It's unnecessary. And, um, now I'm, like, completely removed from regular Hollywood now, so there's no reason to be there.

   23. NBNeal Brennan3:54

       Yeah. And well, regular Hollywood is-

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       Kinda dead.

   25. NBNeal Brennan3:57

       ... on, yeah, like, sort of, uh, like, what ... I don't even know what that is. When people go-

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:01

       Comedy Central.

   27. NBNeal Brennan4:01

       ... "We're doing a movie." Ca- I mean, Comedy Central's a production company at this point. They're, like, barely a TV station.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       Right. They have a-

   29. NBNeal Brennan4:09

       They're like a ... They have a f-

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       What do they have on? South Park?
4. 4:43 – 9:30

   Comedy Central vs creators: Ari’s ‘This Is Not Happening’ and the Improv Lab disaster room

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      They just, I mean, the writing was on the wall. When I, when I saw what happened with Ari in This Is Not Happening, when they fucked that up, I was like, "Jesus Christ."

   2. NBNeal Brennan4:52

      And that was about him doing an hour for them, right?

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      It was about him doing an hour for Netflix. He wa-

   4. NBNeal Brennan4:56

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:57

      He got an offer from Netflix, which was more money-

   6. NBNeal Brennan4:59

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:59

      ... and more exposure and a bigger deal, and he decided to do that. And by the way, this is a special that he produced himself, self-produced, bought it, you know, paid for it, did the whole thing, and they said that if you do it at Netflix, even though he was legally able to do it at Netflix-

   8. NBNeal Brennan5:15

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:16

      ... contractually able to do it at Netflix. If you do it at Netflix, we're gonna cancel your show. He's like, "You fucking cunts."

   10. NBNeal Brennan5:22

       Well, what's fucked up is I know other people on Comedy Central that (clicks fingers) were able to go to Netflix.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       Oh, yeah.

   12. NBNeal Brennan5:27

       And they were just like, "Yeah, you're-"

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       Well-

   14. NBNeal Brennan5:29

       You know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       I don't know what the deal was, why they decided to do it that way with him, but, you know, he had gotten to the point where we was willing to pay. He was gonna pay for the production costs in terms of, like, everyone's salaries. He was gonna take out a loan 'cause he was so upset that they were gonna lose their, their money. Like, Ari's a really good guy.

   16. NBNeal Brennan5:50

       Yeah, I agree.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       I know he does some county things sometimes like-

   18. NBNeal Brennan5:54

       Like gonna help do- he'll put-

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       Be silly. He's trying to do-

   20. NBNeal Brennan5:56

       He'll dose you or whatever-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:58

       Yeah.

   22. NBNeal Brennan5:58

       ... around your family.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:59

       But he's, he's doing that-

   24. NBNeal Brennan6:00

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:00

       ... to try to be outrageous. He's not ... He's a good guy, which is the, one of the things that bums me out so much when he does something outrageous. But he's-... he, he thinks a lot about other people and this is one of those cases, like, he was like, "I'm gonna take out a loan and I'm going to pay everyone's salary." Because there was, you know, whatever shows they were obligated for, 10 episodes or whatever. All those people had counted on that money and he was really bummed out that they were gonna lose that money. And also, like, he was not gonna give into this bullying. Like them saying that they're gonna cancel the show if he goes over to Netflix. He goes, "What? Well, then you're gonna fucking cancel the show."

   26. NBNeal Brennan6:37

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:37

       Like, "Fuck you."

   28. NBNeal Brennan6:39

       Yes.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:39

       Like, "This is stupid."

   30. NBNeal Brennan6:40

       And then they didn't.
5. 9:30 – 14:09

   Stern vs podcasts, Spotify’s effect, and Chappelle-level “move through back hallways” fame

   1. NBNeal Brennan9:30

      Mm-hmm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      So, like, it was... One of the fun things that he did is he took... 'Cause Howard Stern was like, "Who the fuck is this guy?"

   3. NBNeal Brennan9:35

      By the way, I, I thought about it the other day. Ari was right.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:38

      What do you mean?

   5. NBNeal Brennan9:39

      He was saying, like, podcasts are the future.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:41

      Well, he was... (sighs) I don't remember what he was upset.

   7. NBNeal Brennan9:45

      Well, he was kind of... He was, like, insulting about it-

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:46

      He was making fun of-

   9. NBNeal Brennan9:47

      ... but he was basically like, "You're a dinosaur-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Yes.

   11. NBNeal Brennan9:49

       "... on satellite radio."

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       But I don't think that's what he was pissed off about. Yeah, so it was... That's what it was, it was this is not happening. And th- and then his special was coming out that Friday on Netflix. That's what it was. Um, but he had... It was something else that he was making fun of Howard Stern about.

   13. NBNeal Brennan10:06

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       I don't think it was necessarily his stance on podcasts, but boy was he wrong about that. Yeah, Stern had decided that podcasts were a waste. I remember him mocking podcasts back in the day and he was like, "You know, you can't make any money." And I was like-

   15. NBNeal Brennan10:18

       Hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       ... "You don't know what the fuck you're talking...

   17. NBNeal Brennan10:20

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       "You literally don't know what you're fucking talking about."

   19. NBNeal Brennan10:22

       Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what he thinks of you, your Spotify shit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       I don't know.

   21. NBNeal Brennan10:25

       I wonder what he's like.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Yeah. I don't know. I mean, he's making a lot of money still.

   23. NBNeal Brennan10:29

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:29

       But it's a weird situ... Like, the whole Sirius XM thing's a weird situation because, uh, you, you get it for free in your car.

   25. NBNeal Brennan10:36

       And they... Someone was telling m- I think Fitzsimmons was telling me they count the subscriptions.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

   27. NBNeal Brennan10:41

       The giveaways.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:42

       Yeah.

   29. NBNeal Brennan10:42

       They count as sales.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:43

       Uh-huh.
6. 14:09 – 18:29

   Where the real money is: DVDs, syndication windfalls, and streaming’s opaque metrics

   1. NBNeal Brennan14:09

      I think Gandolfini did-

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:11

      Really?

   3. NBNeal Brennan14:11

      ... at one point, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:12

      For what? What show?

   5. NBNeal Brennan14:14

      Uh, Sopranos.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:15

      Sopranos?

   7. NBNeal Brennan14:15

      Yeah. There was a day, like his contract was up. He wanted a raise. It was, I, it, I, I was aware of it as it was happening.

   8. JRJoe Rogan14:24

      Yeah?

   9. NBNeal Brennan14:24

      And then he, they shut down for like six, eight weeks.

   10. JRJoe Rogan14:30

       Oh, where he was ready to quit?

   11. NBNeal Brennan14:31

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan14:32

       Oh, wow.

   13. NBNeal Brennan14:33

       Uh, it was just like a contract dispute, and he got everybody more money.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:36

       Hm.

   15. NBNeal Brennan14:37

       But, but yeah, like he, he was, you know-

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:41

       This-

   17. NBNeal Brennan14:41

       ... yeah, because you see how much, uh... Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:46

       Gave Sopranos co-stars $33,000 each after HBO contract dispute. Wow. He agreed on a $13 million contract with HBO after requesting 20 million per season after Season 3. Wow.

   19. NBNeal Brennan15:00

       Yeah, but he, he like wasn't, he's like, "I'm not coming in."

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:04

       Interesting.

   21. NBNeal Brennan15:04

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       Well, what happens with those shows is the network and the executives and the production company realize that there's a big windfall when this motherfucker is over and it's gonna continue forever.

   23. NBNeal Brennan15:17

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan15:17

       You're gonna be able to sell those DVDs.

   25. NBNeal Brennan15:19

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       You're gonna be able to sell the streaming. It's gonna be, there was no streaming back then.

   27. NBNeal Brennan15:22

       Back then, it was all DVDs, yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       Yeah. And the, the windfall will last forever. And you could be short-sighted as an actor and not recognize that this is something like The Honeymooners that's just gonna exist in the ether forever, and someone always gonna be selling it and buying it.

   29. NBNeal Brennan15:36

       Well, that's the thing, like Seinfeld, Friends. Seinfeld, those license- those syndication deals are every three years.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Mm-hmm.
7. 18:29 – 22:09

   Austin crowds, comedian talk, and why Bill Maher resonates as an ‘old school liberal’ critic

   1. NBNeal Brennan18:29

      Um, so, and how is your, uh, the ... So you like Austin?

   2. JRJoe Rogan18:35

      I love it.

   3. NBNeal Brennan18:36

      Great.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:36

      Yeah, it's great. And- I love doing comedy here too. It's ... Oh, the fucking crowds are amazing. It's been so much fun. It's-

   5. NBNeal Brennan18:43

      Better?

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:43

      Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's no, um, there's no entitled douchebags here. It's like all the stuff that was gross about like the agents and the managers-

   7. NBNeal Brennan18:52

      Oh, right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:52

      ... and the out-of-work actors that would come to shows, like-

   9. NBNeal Brennan18:54

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:55

       All that's gone.

   11. NBNeal Brennan18:56

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       It doesn't exist. It's just regular people.

   13. NBNeal Brennan18:57

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       And they're fun. And they-

   15. NBNeal Brennan18:59

       Yeah, I did a show last night. It was f- very fun.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:00

       What'd you do last night?

   17. NBNeal Brennan19:01

       Uh, I did the Creaking Cave.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       Oh, the Creaking Cave's great.

   19. NBNeal Brennan19:03

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:04

       I'm there tonight.

   21. NBNeal Brennan19:04

       Oh, great.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:05

       Yeah. Ari's there too. Ari's running his, uh, this, uh, new special that he's doing, Jew. Um, he's, uh, doing that Jew-

   23. NBNeal Brennan19:12

       What's the special called? Just kidding.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       It's called the, the, the, the, the ... This is the special that he was working on before the, the Kobe Bryant incident.

   25. NBNeal Brennan19:20

       I, (laughs) I forgot. I literally was like, "Why didn't you shoot it?" And he was like, "Oh, some shit happened."

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       Mm-hmm.

   27. NBNeal Brennan19:26

       Some Jews or something wanted to hunt us down.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       Yeah. So, uh, it was fucking sharp. I, I'm, I'm, I'm curious to see it tonight. I'm gonna go watch tonight.

   29. NBNeal Brennan19:33

       He said he's shortened some setups and changed some jokes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       Hmm. Good. Well, it was really good before, you know. Uh, just don't ... You know, there's a thing when you, like, revisit something after you haven't even touched it in years, and then you go ... Because he had like... It was almost like a p- like a one-man show.
8. 22:09 – 25:42

   Persuasion vs righteousness: liberal messaging, protests, and fear of escalation (Ukraine/Taiwan)

   1. NBNeal Brennan22:09

      And he also will point out, like ... And the ... Which is the thing I've been thinking about a lot lately is like, "Hey, liberals, I'm liberal. This is not, uh, uh, persuasive."

   2. JRJoe Rogan22:18

      Right.

   3. NBNeal Brennan22:18

      What ... The way you're approaching this is the opposite of persuasive. You're really turning everyone off.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:24

      Yeah.

   5. NBNeal Brennan22:24

      And I'm, I'm with you, and it's like ... But they ... It feels like they don't care about persuasion.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:31

      Well-

   7. NBNeal Brennan22:31

      Feels like they just care about being right, and they care about righteousness. And it's like, yeah, but you gotta ... You know, Martin Luther King kinda had to sell people on this shit.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:41

      Mm.

   9. NBNeal Brennan22:42

      Had to sell white people on this shit. And he ... I always point out the fact that Martin Luther King had God.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       Yeah, right? He was a reverend.

   11. NBNeal Brennan22:48

       For real.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:48

       Yeah.

   13. NBNeal Brennan22:48

       Like, so he had, like ... He had God on his side, so to speak. Whereas it feels like liberals just have, like, guilt. There's no persuasion mechanism.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       Mm.

   15. NBNeal Brennan22:57

       You know, other than like, "You should." Okay, I'm a human being, my default is not to, uh, righteousness and generosity.

   16. JRJoe Rogan23:06

       Well, it's not just that. It's like the left all of a sudden embraced violence. Like, uh, when Antifa became the, like, the strong arm of the left, and people were supporting it, like on CNN, like it was no big deal. And these people were, like, trying to light courthouses on fire. Like, do you not s- see where the fuck this is going? Like, this ... They're not doing this for a logical reason. They're doing this 'cause people love to smash things.

   17. NBNeal Brennan23:29

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:30

       And the way they're expressing it-

   19. NBNeal Brennan23:31

       They just found a different reason.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:32

       Yeah, and like, remember on CNN, I mean, Chris Cuomo was saying, "Where does it say that, uh, protests have to be peaceful?" Hey, you fucking dumb-

   21. NBNeal Brennan23:39

       The Constitution.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       ... cunt. Like, what are you talking about? How about if someone protests you? Don't, don't you want them to be peaceful?

   23. NBNeal Brennan23:44

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:45

       Are you cool with people being violent as long as it's not directed in your direction?

   25. NBNeal Brennan23:48

       Well-

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:49

       The fuck are you saying?

   27. NBNeal Brennan23:49

       ... quietly. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       Yeah.

   29. NBNeal Brennan23:51

       Everyone's fine with the worst version of stuff-

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:54

       Right.
9. 25:42 – 28:59

   Putin, power, and institutions: dictatorship, tenure, and controversial experts

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:42

      Yeah, and i- on top of that, Putin supposedly has cancer.

   2. NBNeal Brennan25:45

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:45

      So it's like, Jesus Christ. Like-

   4. NBNeal Brennan25:47

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:47

      ... ............................ Now, how do you get a guy like that out of power? And the guy who takes over, like, who the fuck is he and is he gonna be worse?

   6. NBNeal Brennan25:54

      I've read things like where Putin has it rigged for, like, only he knows how to do everything.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:01

      Oh, boy.

   8. NBNeal Brennan26:01

      Like it's like a guy who's like, he does, he knows all the knobs and all the, what all the remotes do.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:05

      (laughs)

   10. NBNeal Brennan26:06

       So no one can move him. Uh...

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       Of course, he's been running Russia for how long now? More than 20 years.

   12. NBNeal Brennan26:12

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:12

       Which is insane.

   14. NBNeal Brennan26:13

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:13

       But it's probably how you get good at ru- I've been saying this, that like, that, look, it's bad to have a dictator, but it's not good to have someone come in new on the job every four years for the most important job in the world.

   16. NBNeal Brennan26:24

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:24

       'Cause you don't know what the fuck you're doing, and then by the time you figure out what you're doing, you're two years in and all you're concentrating on is getting reelected. So you're-

   18. NBNeal Brennan26:32

       I completely agree. And that, I mean, except, I don't, six?

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       What's the alternative?

   20. NBNeal Brennan26:36

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:36

       But what's the other, the alternative is we have a dictator, which sucks. It's, you can't have that. If, if s-, it's like having tenure as a professor.

   22. NBNeal Brennan26:43

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:43

       You know, there's so many professors that are total cunts because they have tenure. They literally can't get fired.

   24. NBNeal Brennan26:48

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:48

       So they can say the most outrageous shit and they can d- be terrible at teaching. They don't care. They're just free now. They've made, they've made it through.

   26. NBNeal Brennan26:54

       Well, most, I mean, most of the professors I know are just like, they happen to get tenure and like, fucking cool. It's like you get-

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:00

       Most. Yes.

   28. NBNeal Brennan27:00

       ... guaranteed $55,000 a year job.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       Well, it's also you don't have to worry about whether or not you're going to get fired. You know, there's some professors that have proposed some pretty outrageous shit and they can't get rid of them because they have tenure. Like, there's this guy, Peter Duesberg, he's a professor of biology at the University of California, Berkeley, and he was one of the guys that I had on early in the podcast that was like really controversial 'cause, uh, Spin Magazine did an article about him years ago and they were-

   30. NBNeal Brennan27:30

       I'm a young person. What's a magazine?
10. 28:59 – 33:34

    Monkeypox as clickbait: risk, transmission, and the prairie dog tangent

    1. JRJoe Rogan28:59

       Like monkeypox. The guys who are getting r- there was a article that appeared on my Twitter-

    2. NBNeal Brennan29:02

       Who is getting monkeypox?

    3. JRJoe Rogan29:03

       Nobody. Nobody. So, like 20 people.

    4. NBNeal Brennan29:05

       So like how is it being transmitted?

    5. JRJoe Rogan29:06

       It's fucking hard to get, man. Like you have to like, it's sexually transmitted in some cases.

    6. NBNeal Brennan29:10

       Oh, is it really?

    7. JRJoe Rogan29:11

       Yeah. But I don't think it's this thing that we have to worry about. Like the amount of people that die of it is less than the amount of people that die of COVID. It's way harder to get than COVID is.

    8. NBNeal Brennan29:20

       Oh, I'm not worried about monkeypox. I'm just more-

    9. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       They're trying to-

    10. NBNeal Brennan29:22

        ... curious like what is, what is this?

    11. JRJoe Rogan29:25

        It just like makes you look like shit. Like you grow bubbles all over or something. I don't know.

    12. NBNeal Brennan29:28

        But is it, and you get a fever?

    13. JRJoe Rogan29:30

        I don't know. I don't know. Well, let's find out. Let's find out. What's-

    14. NBNeal Brennan29:34

        Together.

    15. JRJoe Rogan29:35

        ... the worst case scenario for monkeypox? I'm sure it kills some people but like what has to be wrong with you for you to die from monkeypox? This-

    16. NBNeal Brennan29:44

        I think it's, it's probably just like, I've read fever and sores.

    17. JRJoe Rogan29:47

        Hmm.

    18. NBNeal Brennan29:48

        Which seems like-

    19. JRJoe Rogan29:49

        Yeah.

    20. NBNeal Brennan29:50

        ... partying seems like, yeah, I mean, you really, sounds like Miami to me.

    21. JRJoe Rogan29:53

        (coughs) Well if these guys, um, that got it in, uh, was it Belgium? There was a thing that I put on my Instagram where these guys, um, wound up getting it from having risky sex. Yeah they were, um... Yeah, wor- World Health Organization's Emergency, uh, Department said that the leading theory was sexual transmission among gay and bisexual men at two raves held in Spain and Belgium. Fucking dudes-

    22. NBNeal Brennan30:21

        Man are they having a-

    23. JRJoe Rogan30:21

        ... partying.

    24. NBNeal Brennan30:22

        ... they're having a time over there.

    25. JRJoe Rogan30:23

        Dudes, dudes you can't get pregnant. Both viruses can cause flu-like symptoms, but monkeypox also triggers in large lymph nodes as well and eventually distinctive fluid-filled lesions on the face, hands, and feet. Most people recover from monkeypox in a few weeks without treatment.

    26. NBNeal Brennan30:41

        This feels like once... Most people recover from monkeypox in a few weeks without treatment. It's like w-... I shouldn't know about this.

    27. JRJoe Rogan30:47

        Yeah, you shouldn't know about this. This is like-

    28. NBNeal Brennan30:49

        Like, this is useless.

    29. JRJoe Rogan30:50

        Well, I think the amount of people that have gotten monkeypox-

    30. NBNeal Brennan30:53

        (coughs)
11. 33:34 – 42:10

    Drinking, ayahuasca gatekeeping, and the craft of building (and cutting) a comedy hour

    1. NBNeal Brennan33:34

       Um, and, uh... Oh, did... I have a question. Did, uh... We... Let's segue into ayahuasca real quick.

    2. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       Oh, boy.

    3. NBNeal Brennan33:41

       Um.

    4. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       Let me spark up the-

    5. NBNeal Brennan33:42

       Did Ron White explain more about how he quit drinking? Or he just quit?

    6. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       Um, well, he, he n- needed to.

    7. NBNeal Brennan33:52

       Oh, of course.

    8. JRJoe Rogan33:52

       Yeah.

    9. NBNeal Brennan33:52

       But I'm saying, like, was that... Did he, did he have a heart... Did he, like, have DT? Did he just... Did he have any sort of withdrawal? Or...

    10. JRJoe Rogan34:03

        No, not really. Um, he, um, he had to quit for a while before they would let him do ayahuasca.

    11. NBNeal Brennan34:10

        Mm.

    12. JRJoe Rogan34:11

        'Cause he was-

    13. NBNeal Brennan34:12

        Yeah, he was Ron White.

    14. JRJoe Rogan34:13

        He was 50 years of every day.

    15. NBNeal Brennan34:15

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan34:16

        That's real.

    17. NBNeal Brennan34:16

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan34:17

        Like, um... But here's what's interesting. He's sharp as a fucking tack now on stage. I mean, he is fucking excellent.

    19. NBNeal Brennan34:24

        Ron White is a great comic.

    20. JRJoe Rogan34:26

        He's a great comic.

    21. NBNeal Brennan34:27

        Like-

    22. JRJoe Rogan34:28

        He's always been a great comic.

    23. NBNeal Brennan34:29

        Really good comic, like-

    24. JRJoe Rogan34:30

        But I s-... I think he's even better. I think he's even better now. He's so sharp.

    25. NBNeal Brennan34:34

        Excellent.

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:34

        He's so sharp. And he's been micro-dosing mushrooms.

    27. NBNeal Brennan34:36

        Well, apparently Jim Jefferies stopped drinking, too, and said he's better than he's ever been.

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:39

        Really?

    29. NBNeal Brennan34:40

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:40

        Interesting.
12. 42:10 – 51:54

    Depp vs Heard: deception, courtroom performance, and the rise of modern con-artist stories

    1. NBNeal Brennan42:10

       Did you believe any of the stuff they said about Depp in the trial?

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:15

       (sighs)

    3. NBNeal Brennan42:16

       'Cause I... All you guys... I was barely watching it. I was seeing more reaction videos, and it was like very anti-her, and then they- then they started presenting shit against him, and I was like, "Ah, this doesn't sound great either."

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:28

       Yeah. Here's my take. (clears throat) I gotta clear my throat here. (clears throat) Sorry, this, uh, Black Rifle Coffee. It's filled with caffeine, but it's also got some kind of milk product in it and it gives me phlegm, unfortunately.

    5. NBNeal Brennan42:39

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:40

       Um, if you're doing that much coke, and you're drinking-

    7. NBNeal Brennan42:45

       Yeah.

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       ... and you're with a girl who punches you in the face, the idea that you are a monk...... through that, and that you're not participating in some of the screaming and yelling and the chaos. That doesn't seem logical. It seems like a guy who is, like, really peaceful and really calm all the time would never get involved with someone that volatile and crazy in the first place. That's what you would hope.

    9. NBNeal Brennan43:10

       Right. But that-

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:11

        But you don't-

    11. NBNeal Brennan43:11

        But knowing human nature, you go-

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:13

        Yeah.

    13. NBNeal Brennan43:13

        ... he probably liked it, he probably engaged, he probably got-

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:16

        Who-

    15. NBNeal Brennan43:16

        ... caught up.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:17

        Who fucking knows? They obviously had a chaotic relationship. It doesn't... None of, none of it seems like fun.

    17. NBNeal Brennan43:23

        No.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:24

        But-

    19. NBNeal Brennan43:24

        It sounds... The locations are incredible.

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        Oh, yeah. He's got a lot of money.

    21. NBNeal Brennan43:28

        They're like, "Now, is this on the private island?"

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:30

        (laughs)

    23. NBNeal Brennan43:30

        "No, this is in the, this is in the blimp where we would travel."

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:34

        Here's, the thing is there's clearly some deception going on, and that's why this is like a valuable insight for people, because people like that exist. People like that, where they try to change reality to suit them and make you look like a monster-

    25. NBNeal Brennan43:49

        Mm-hmm.

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        ... and to make them look like a victim so that they can gain some sort of social credit or attention. Usually those things, you can get away with those things if you don't talk too much. Like, you can get away with those things, if it's just an accusation-

    27. NBNeal Brennan44:02

        As long as you don't go to trial.

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:04

        As long as someone doesn't actually hear you talk about stuff.

    29. NBNeal Brennan44:07

        Mm-hmm.

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:07

        'Cause when you start talking about stuff, if you're full of shit like that, it seems full of shit.
13. 51:54 – 59:11

    Spotting fraud early, Tiger Woods’ SEAL training mythos, and back-surgery realities

    1. NBNeal Brennan51:54

       That's ... I have three great calls like that. Cosby, I never liked.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:59

       (laughs)

    3. NBNeal Brennan52:00

       Uh, I used to argue with Dave about him. It's like, "Nah, he's not a good guy." And, uh, Tig- Tiger Woods walked past ... Dave did something with Tiger Woods in 2002. And Tiger Woods walked past me and I, my first thought was, "That guy fucks a lot." (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:20

       (laughs)

    5. NBNeal Brennan52:20

       And I was absolutely right. It took a long time for it to come out, but it was like, you don't have shoulders like that an- and give- waste it on one person.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:31

       (laughs)

    7. NBNeal Brennan52:32

       You don't, there's no point-

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:35

       His shoulders-

    9. NBNeal Brennan52:35

       ... at the bottom of his shoulders.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:35

        Dude, his shoulder, he's got a V like a mu- like- Well, isn't he the first, like, real super athlete/golf player?

    11. NBNeal Brennan52:43

        He's the first, he was the first-

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:44

        Right?

    13. NBNeal Brennan52:44

        ... golfer to exercise.

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:46

        Right. But, like, not just exercise. But he was-

    15. NBNeal Brennan52:48

        But yes, like, really exercise.

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:49

        ... very, very fit.

    17. NBNeal Brennan52:49

        Yes, yes.

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:50

        But, do you think that contributed to his back issues? Or do you think it's just that the sheer amount of torque he puts in his swing?

    19. NBNeal Brennan52:56

        The, there were a few articles and, and documentaries. He would train ... He was training with Navy SEALs, like, off, like, he'd go to Pendleton or something.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:08

        What? Really?

    21. NBNeal Brennan53:08

        Yes. If you look it up. It was, yes. And he wa- and he to- that's where his injuries started.

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:14

        Oh.

    23. NBNeal Brennan53:14

        He tore something training with the SEALs.

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:18

        Mm.

    25. NBNeal Brennan53:19

        And-

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:19

        God.

    27. NBNeal Brennan53:20

        His life is so mysterious and, like, sort of secretive. But that came out.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:25

        Interesting.

    29. NBNeal Brennan53:26

        And there's a picture with him and it's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:27

        So, that's how he hurt his back?
14. 59:11 – 1:21:14

    Vision therapy, archery as mindfulness, and news as performance (teleprompters + dramatic music)

    1. NBNeal Brennan59:11

       Yeah, I got rolfed. Yeah.

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:12

       Very painful.

    3. NBNeal Brennan59:12

       I got rolfed and it led to a very weird diagnosis. The guy ... The rolfer I went to, his wife did cranial sacral therapy, uh, which is like your neck, head kind of-

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:27

       What is that?

    5. NBNeal Brennan59:29

       ... spatial, spatial massage, realignment, whatever.

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:32

       Oh.

    7. NBNeal Brennan59:32

       He said ... He's telling me about his wife and he goes, uh, "She handles people that have a divergent vision." And I go, "I have that." And he's like, "What do you mean?" I go, "I think I know what that is and I think I have it."

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:46

       What is it?

    9. NBNeal Brennan59:48

       Okay. So I know ... I remembered my dad ... You ... I'd be talking to my dad sometimes and he'd have one eye closed. And I n- ... And then I noticed that I started doing it to people. I'd have one eye closed. Basically, you have two eyes and they create a unified field of vision. I have two eyes and it's ... I see one and a half.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

        Oh, wow.

    11. NBNeal Brennan1:00:11

        So at a certain point, my left eye just shut off. So I basically-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

        So if you close your right eye, what happens?

    13. NBNeal Brennan1:00:17

        Well, no, it, it'll come back on, but my brain will not ... Uh, my brain is just right eye.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:24

        So your brain is always just trying to look-

    15. NBNeal Brennan1:00:26

        Just-

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

        ... out of your right eye.

    17. NBNeal Brennan1:00:26

        Right eye all the ... It ... That's the only s- like, signal it recognizes. So like that joke in Wayne's World, camera number one, camera number two, camera-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

        Yeah.

    19. NBNeal Brennan1:00:33

        I literally thought that's what everyone's vision was like.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

        Oh, wow.

    21. NBNeal Brennan1:00:38

        So basically, I've spent the last almost year, uh, turning my left eye on.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

        Jesus.

    23. NBNeal Brennan1:00:46

        And so basically, I ... With Oculus. It's a 3D Oculus exercises that I have to do every day, basically. And it's like spati- like picking ... One of them is picking fruit. It's ... You c- ... It's like a 3D puzzle that unless your left eye is turned on, you cannot-... you can't play-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

        Mm-hmm.

    25. NBNeal Brennan1:01:06

        ... or you can't be good at. And, uh, slowly, but ... So now I'm at the phase where like both my eyes are turned on.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

        Oh, wow.

    27. NBNeal Brennan1:01:14

        But it's one and a half. And then at a certain point, it will fuse into one image.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

        Hmm.

    29. NBNeal Brennan1:01:21

        And, and, uh, the doctor told me, the guy that I went to said that like, he's like, "I have patients that, you know, I can't say who did it, but Carl Lewis told me that the sprinters said that I could tell people he had it done." And it like, it was like he wasn't racing anymore, but he's like, "I was jumping too early."

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

        Oh, whoa.

Episode duration: 3:46:05