Joe Rogan Experience #1830 - Meghan Murphy

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello, Meghan.

   3. MMMeghan Murphy0:14

      Hi.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening? Good to see you.

   5. MMMeghan Murphy0:16

      Good to see you also.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      What's crackalackin'?

   7. MMMeghan Murphy0:19

      Um, well-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Welcome to America.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy0:20

      ... are you ready to get wasted? (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Yeah, you and this fuck-

   11. MMMeghan Murphy0:23

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       You and this fucking vile beverage that you bring.

   13. MMMeghan Murphy0:29

       I brought, Lord-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       I've-

   15. MMMeghan Murphy0:31

       I was like, "Joe is gonna actually be mad when he sees what I brought."

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       So explain to people what this is.

   17. MMMeghan Murphy0:36

       Okay. I brought raicilla. Uh, Joe Rogan, this man right here, he talks about raicilla. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       I talk about it (laughs) 'cause you gave it to me-

   19. MMMeghan Murphy0:44

       All the time.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       ... and I, I serve it to people.

   21. MMMeghan Murphy0:47

       You never stop bitching about raicilla on the podcast. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Well, I give it to people, and every time I give it to people they're like, "Jesus." (yawns)

   23. MMMeghan Murphy0:54

       I don't know.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       It's one of the rare alcohols that we've had in studio that we haven't burned through.

   25. NANarrator0:58

       Mm.

   26. MMMeghan Murphy0:59

       Yeah, and I noticed you didn't give it to Snoop.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       No.

   28. MMMeghan Murphy1:02

       Squandered opportunity. I was like, 'cause you were like, "Yeah, you don't want that." And I was like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       I don't think Snoop wants that.

   30. MMMeghan Murphy1:07

       Maybe he does want it. (laughs)
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Yes. And, uh, again,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      most part, is that some people, it's not everybody, but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy.

   2. MMMeghan Murphy15:07

      Yes. And, uh, again, this is attached to, I think, leftist ideology because I think what I've realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism. Like, it's like we want to create this world and this is the way the world should be, but in reality, that world doesn't exist and people don't work like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:32

      Right.

   4. MMMeghan Murphy15:32

      Like, what they want... And I'm, I'm saying this as somebody who believed these things, like, people have (laughs) like, people get really mad at me, but people are mad at me all the time, um, nothing new, but, you know, people, when I start criticizing the left, people get angry at me. First of all because people, I think, like to categorize people and box them in, and when they start moving outside of the box, they get angry and confused and frustrated, and so they'll just want to write you off or hate you or call me right wing or whatever. But, you know, I, I, I was a leftist and I thought like these people and I thought that it was right, and the reason that I was a leftist is because I care about people.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:11

      Yes.

   6. MMMeghan Murphy16:11

      It's not because I'm an evil communist, like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      Right.

   8. MMMeghan Murphy16:13

      ... the right is very bad at writing people off too.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:16

      Right.

   10. MMMeghan Murphy16:16

       It's like, "Oh, these communists." It's like these people don't even really know what communism is. They've, I'm sure they've never read Marx for the most part. But, you know, I didn't want people to be poor. I didn't want people to not have housing and food and access to healthcare and education. I wanted things to be more equal and just.

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Right.

   12. MMMeghan Murphy16:36

       That's why I was a leftist. But the solution was an idea, you know? Like, "If we create this kind of society, then we'll all live in happy communities and everybody will work and nobody will slack off and, like, they'll, there'll be no exploitation and, like, rape will disappear and oppression will disappear," and that's not what happens in the real world. That's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       No.

   14. MMMeghan Murphy17:04

       So, it, and, you know, you can't, it's, I don't think that it's good to base a movement on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality.

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Do you think... I mean, the, the argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly-

   16. MMMeghan Murphy17:18

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       ... um, this sort of utopian idea of what, uh, a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like, that it's never really been done correctly. But do you think it's a human nature issue? Do you think it's like, like the, the idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you, you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute. Like, you c- I think you could have a socialist community of very driven, disciplined people where they, they share, they share things. Like, we have some socialist things, right? Like, uh, the fire department is an excellent example of socialism because we pay into this thing that supports these people who put out fires.

   18. MMMeghan Murphy18:06

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       And nobody complains about it. It's a normal thing. It's something that we contribute to, it's like a fund, and that fund puts out fires, and it puts out fires, you know-... uh, based on your tax dollars that you put into it. And you don't want a society where if you don't have money, they don't put the fire out, right?

   20. MMMeghan Murphy18:25

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       But some people would argue that that's, that's where it ends. Like you shouldn't have that and extend that to education. You shouldn't have that and extend that to, um, healthcare. But I think that's where socialism could work. I think wha- w- ... And I don't mean socialism, like, across the board. I mean socialist ideas. I think the idea of a universal healthcare system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything, like, bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you, you hurt your back. Like, that you're taken care of, and that we all contribute to that. And again, if we can give $40 billion to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that? No, I ... We can do that. That's totally possible. The education system, the idea that you have to be in debt. I was reading this story the other day about this woman who's $250,000 in debt, uh, from student loans, and she took out $150,000. So over the course of the, uh, interest that's accumulated, she's got $100,000 more in interest. I'm like, "What the fuck is that?"

   22. MMMeghan Murphy19:31

       Dude.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:31

       And you can't get rid of that.

   24. MMMeghan Murphy19:32

       It's fucked. Uh, tell me about it. Like, I mean, I, I support public healthcare still. Like, I do think that it is imperative that people have access to healthcare.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:44

       Yeah.

   26. MMMeghan Murphy19:44

       And I think the healthcare system in America is horrible because I think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt.

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       Yes.

   28. MMMeghan Murphy19:57

       Like, that's not okay-

   29. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       It's not okay.

   30. MMMeghan Murphy19:58

       ... to me. It's not okay. And the sa- ... And student loan debt, like, you're right. Like, you, you, you get an amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university, and then they're charging you all this interest, so it makes it doubly impossible to pay it off, and it's like a trap. I mean-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Do you have right-wing…

   1. MMMeghan Murphy30:00

      friend. (laughs) I didn't know any right-wing people. I barely even knew, like, any religious people. I knew a whole bunch of people who were like me.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Do you have right-wing friends now?

   3. MMMeghan Murphy30:09

      Yeah, I think so. Um, like, I've, I've met... Basically since I was kicked off Twitter, I... You know, that was, like, a blessing in disguise in some ways. It's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      For people who don't know you-

   5. MMMeghan Murphy30:22

      Oh, yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      ... let- we should just, like, give, just for people who didn't listen-

   7. MMMeghan Murphy30:24

      My claim to fame.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      ... to the other episode. I met Megan because I was outraged, um, and I brought it up in... I brought up your case in the conversation with Jack Dorsey, I brought it up multiple times in the podcast.... 'cause you were kicked off Twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman.

   9. MMMeghan Murphy30:42

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Which is madness.

   11. MMMeghan Murphy30:45

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       It's cru- for, like-

   13. MMMeghan Murphy30:46

       Men aren't women-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:47

       Yeah.

   15. MMMeghan Murphy30:47

       ... is what I said.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Yeah.

   17. MMMeghan Murphy30:48

       Apparently, men are allowed to say that. Matt Walsh is allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       What do you mean?

   19. MMMeghan Murphy30:53

       Like, I, I, like, after I got kicked off of Twitter, I saw right-wing men on Twitter saying the same things that I've said, and they weren't kicked off of Twitter. And I-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Really?

   21. MMMeghan Murphy31:02

       ... think that's because-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Were you in a conversation with a trans person when you said that?

   23. MMMeghan Murphy31:07

       (smacks lips) Not that I'm aware of. I don't know who was in the conversation. It was part of a thread, and it wasn't like I was saying to somebody, "You're not a woman."

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Mm-hmm.

   25. MMMeghan Murphy31:18

       It was in response to a tweet that was sort of confusing and me saying, "But men aren't women, though."

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       What was the... Do you remember what the-

   27. MMMeghan Murphy31:27

       I don't remember what the context is, is to be ho- I'm just kidding.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       So, you were-

   29. MMMeghan Murphy31:30

       But th- It was that. C- There was, like, three tweets. But also, like, they... I believe that Twitter was going after me specifically because I was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions that I w- Like, I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets. I think they took those tweets as an excuse and, like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:52

       Right.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. MMMeghan Murphy45:00

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      And they don't smoke.

   4. MMMeghan Murphy45:01

      It's horrible.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Yeah.

   6. MMMeghan Murphy45:02

      I can't imagine having to work in those bars and clubs or work on airplanes when everybody's smoking on the airplane.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah. That's the craziest thing. You're in a-

   8. MMMeghan Murphy45:08

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      ... fucking tube in the sky.

   10. MMMeghan Murphy45:11

       That I'm, I'm not old enough for that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:11

       And that was like-

   12. MMMeghan Murphy45:12

       But that's strange.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:13

       What year did that stop? I wanna say that stopped in the '90s, right?

   14. MMMeghan Murphy45:17

       Really? I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to think of I've ... when I was first on a plane. I don't know.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       I think Dice Clay used to have a bit about it.

   16. MMMeghan Murphy45:24

       Maybe earlier than that. Probably, I mean, so they were still doing it in the '80s you think?

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       It had to be late '80s 'cause I think Dice had a bit about it in like '89 or '90.

   18. MMMeghan Murphy45:33

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       "You're in a fucking tube!"

   20. MMMeghan Murphy45:37

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       He had this whole bit about, uh, like a section. He's like, "What the ... We're breathing the same fucking air."

   22. MMMeghan Murphy45:43

       Yeah. I mean, I really ... I don't ... Yeah. I don't like it and I think that it is unfair to impose that on employees who, like, have to be there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       Yeah. It's, it's ... That's the problem. The problem is the people that work ... It's a workplace environment safety issue. But, you know, if you have a, a social club that doesn't have employees, you know. Like, there's, there's places that set up, uh, they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules. You know, like-

   24. MMMeghan Murphy46:08

       Okay, 'cause it's like a private space.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       Right. Like, uh, cigar bars.

   26. MMMeghan Murphy46:12

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       Cigar bars have that kind of setup.

   28. MMMeghan Murphy46:14

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       You know?

   30. MMMeghan Murphy46:15

       Or like hookah lounges?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:47

   Too bad, bro. That's…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      and then you have people right below you and they're fucking partying, playing shitty music and...

   2. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:05

      Too bad, bro. That's what you get for being rich.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      Wow. Listen, man.

   4. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:08

      (laughs) I'm joking.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      I hope you don't get rich.

   6. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:10

      I hope to be rich someday.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      What is this, Jamie?

   8. NANarrator1:00:12

      That's it. Yeah, I just, I just picked the, that beach, Banner Beach.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Is that Carbon Beach?

   10. NANarrator1:00:15

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       See, that's beautiful, but I think... So, I think where the people aren't allowed to go is wherever high tide is. So, I think high tide is, like, right up to there.

   12. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:26

       Hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

       So, when that area, like, walking on the beach, anybody can go there. They can go there. They can play. They can fuck around. But I think above that, it's supposed to be theirs, the person who's in front of the be- which is, like, still kind of fucked.

   14. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:39

       This is so strange looking to me because I'm, I don't, I've not seen... Like, this isn't a thing in BC where the houses on the beach are just stacked up like townhouses. Like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:48

       Oh, they're right next to each other and they, like-

   16. MMMeghan Murphy1:00:49

       If you have a place on the beach, like, on the island, you're, it's gonna be, like, in the forest and, like, you have acreage and...

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

       Well, Malibu's a weird spot like that because there's so much money. There's... And these people are so rich, and they're stuffed right next to each other. It's real weird.

   18. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:04

       It seems unpleasant to me.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       I rented a house there once, um, uh, because, uh, my kitchen was getting redone, and it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud. You hear whoosh!... you hear the, the water crashing against the, the rocks and everything a- all day long. And it really is beautiful. Like, in the morning, I would eat breakfast. We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning and the way w- we were at... We were at a, on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck. So, when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water.

   20. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:37

       Hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       I was like, "Oh, this is nice."

   22. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:39

       That does sound nice.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

       It's nice.

   24. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:41

       Like, (laughs) this is terrible. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       It's nice. Oh, it's so nice.

   26. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:43

       I would never want this. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       To be a b- that... But that, to me, is... It's a very specific thing, like the kind of... like what I like. I like to be, like, i- almost in the water.

   28. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:54

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:54

       Almost in the water is beautiful.

   30. MMMeghan Murphy1:01:56

       Mm-hmm.

Episode duration: 3:06:11