Joe Rogan Experience #1837 - Gina Carano

1. 0:00 – 1:18

   Gina’s first podcast + being an early women’s MMA star

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) And we're up for your first ever podcast, Gina Clough.

   4. GCGina Carano0:15

      Oh my goodness.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      (laughs)

   6. GCGina Carano0:17

      (laughs) What if I don't have anything to say?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      You do. I guarantee you do. D- how did you avoid doing podcasts for this long?

   8. GCGina Carano0:23

      Just saying no. I-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      Really?

   10. GCGina Carano0:24

       ... I just tell people, well, I'm, I'm kind of just don't know what's ever gonna come out of my mouth, so it's gonna get... I have, uh, no idea what we're gonna talk about today.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Well, that's good. It's always better that way. I mean, we could talk about anything. We can talk about... Well, there was a moment, um, where you were gonna come back. You're the OG.

   12. GCGina Carano0:43

       Oh, (laughs) well, I mean, gosh, there was a-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       No, you're the OG.

   14. GCGina Carano0:48

       Thank you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Is, uh, d- in terms of women's MMA, who the fuck is more OG than you?

   16. GCGina Carano0:53

       I mean-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       You're the original star.

   18. GCGina Carano0:54

       ... well, like, not MMA, but like Lucia, Riker...

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

   20. GCGina Carano0:58

       Um...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       And Muay Thai, yeah, and in boxing, yeah, and then there's Christy Martin and-

   22. GCGina Carano1:02

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       ... you know, a lot of other folks that, yeah.

   24. GCGina Carano1:04

       And then there was like the Debbie Purcells and Erin, um-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Anne Wolf.

   26. GCGina Carano1:09

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       There's, there's been a lot of, like, women combat sports athletes, but in terms of MMA, you're, you're the OG.

   28. GCGina Carano1:14

       Well, I, I appreciate that coming from you. That means a lot. I always-

2. 1:18 – 3:35

   Training in the “weird years”: skepticism toward women fighting

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:18

      What was it like back then?

   2. GCGina Carano1:19

      Um... (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Because, like, you were the OG when it was weird to be fighting, and it was weird to be fighting as a woman.

   4. GCGina Carano1:24

      Yeah. The, uh, it was just, um, you would go into the gym and it was just, uh, well, we started at Master Totty's, so there was a, a couple girls there that really liked to fight, but they liked to more look good and the attention that, that fighting came from.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:39

      Oh, yeah.

   6. GCGina Carano1:40

      Um, it wasn't all about, like, the fights, so...

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:43

      There's a lot of that now, right?

   8. GCGina Carano1:44

      Now, it's like, like that, but, um, it was like that then, too. Um, I don't know, a lot of, like, the, what's her name? Erin... God. Is Debbie Purcell and Erin something...

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:56

      Erin Tohill.

   10. GCGina Carano1:57

       Tohill.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:57

       Yes.

   12. GCGina Carano1:58

       So, they were actually the people I would say that started way bef-

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:01

       Yeah, Erin was-

   14. GCGina Carano2:02

       ... before us.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       ... r- she's been around a long time. She's very good. Yep.

   16. GCGina Carano2:04

       And Cyborg was doing it as well.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Mm-hmm.

   18. GCGina Carano2:07

       Um, so...

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Tara LaRosa.

   20. GCGina Carano2:08

       Tara LaRosa. Um...

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       Old school.

   22. GCGina Carano2:12

       Yeah. (laughs) I can't... I know. No, we're-

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       The early days.

   24. GCGina Carano2:14

       ... we're old. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       Yeah, we're old. But the early days were interesting because, like, you know, there was a lot of, uh, people disparaging women fighting.

   26. GCGina Carano2:22

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       You know? Including Dana White.

   28. GCGina Carano2:25

       Yeah. Um-

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       You know?

   30. GCGina Carano2:26

       Including most of the guys I trained with, which I love them, but, you know, even Mark Fichter, he was like, "No. Get out of here. I'm not gonna train any women. Okay, fine. I'll train you, Gina. It'll be cool, but..."
3. 3:35 – 6:17

   Reactions to violence in women’s fights + internet booing

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:35

      Yeah, some people, uh, get disturbed watching women get bloodied up. That's a big one for some folks.

   2. GCGina Carano3:41

      Yeah. Was it a thing for you?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      It feels different. Obviously, I'm a big fan of women fighting. But when I watch a big cut on a woman, it feels different. Like, if I sit... Like, Jiri Prochazka in that fight with Glover Teixeira had this giant cut over his eyebrow, and it's a massive cut, but it didn't bother me. But if that was you, if that was, uh, it was a woman, it was, you know, Valentina Shevchenko or something like that, I'd be like, "Jesus-"

   4. GCGina Carano4:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      "... that's a big cut."

   6. GCGina Carano4:06

      And honestly, (laughs) in my perspective, that's sweet, you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      Wow.

   8. GCGina Carano4:11

      That's nice.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:12

      (laughs) It's nice that you don't like to see women get cut up?

   10. GCGina Carano4:14

       Yeah, I think that's a really nice, um... I don't know why women or anybody is trying to get rid of that.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       Well, I get it. But I mean, that, uh... Look, if you're gonna land elbows, it is a part of the sport. You're-

   12. GCGina Carano4:26

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       ... you're gonna get cut up. It's, like, people are gonna get cut.

   14. GCGina Carano4:29

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       It's just part of the game. It's... But, you know, if you, if you wanna say, like, here's a good example. Like, the, the last UFC, uh, where it was, uh, Zhang Weili versus Joanna Jedrzejczyk, and then, uh, Valentina Shevchenko, um, versus, uh... Jesus Christ. Why am I not remembering her name?

   16. NANarrator4:52

       Uh, Talia Santos.

   17. GCGina Carano4:52

       Is it the Chinese girl that-

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       No, no, no. Valentina Shevchenko had a really tough fight-

   19. NANarrator4:58

       Talia Santos.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Talia Santos. Wi- uh, which was an amazing fight. Uh, split decision, which could have gone either way. Um, and a lot of people are like, "Ugh, this card sucks." I'm like, because of those two fights? Like, you, you think the card sucks 'cause two, like, super ultra competitive women fights that were insane, and one of them was a spinning back fist knockout? Do, do you have-

   21. GCGina Carano5:17

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       ... a problem with that?

   23. GCGina Carano5:19

       Yeah, right? Like, I, I don't get, I don't understand where people get off on the internet, um, judging any... Like, when I'm in a building or at a fight when people are booing, it, like, it boils my blood.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       Yeah.

   25. GCGina Carano5:30

       It's like, you get in there and do that, you know?

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:32

       W-

   27. GCGina Carano5:32

       Until you've done that, then you can, you know, talk about it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:34

       It's just, like, do you boo like that at baseball? 'Cause baseball, at its most exciting, is not as exciting as two people clinching. (laughs)

   29. GCGina Carano5:41

       Yeah, maybe the fight fans just need to, like, get a couple more, I don't know, hot dogs or beers and just sit back and enjoy a little bit.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       Well, it's, it's casuals, unfortunately, you know? And it's a lot of people that don't, they don't appreciate what's going on or how hard it is. Look, I can understand some fights where people get bored and they boo, especially in comparison to some other fights, you know?
4. 6:17 – 9:01

   Why some fights stall: game plans, nerves, and MMA scoring flaws

   1. GCGina Carano6:17

      What do you think-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:18

      ... past one was the first one I did.

   3. GCGina Carano6:19

      ... what do you think happens there? Like, with like the ... you know, when they're just, you know, nobody's trying to even like make ... they're just stuttering and, and in front of each other?

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:27

      Like the Rose Namajunas fight? Like that last fight?

   5. GCGina Carano6:29

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      Yeah, that was-

   7. GCGina Carano6:30

      Which I'm a ... I'm ... I love her by the way.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:32

      I do too. Yeah, uh, yeah, I do too. Oh, I, uh, I love Carla Esparza too. I don't u- I don't get it. I don't know. I, I've, uh ... sh- (clicks tongue) You know, I'm a big fan of Pat Barry. I love him, but he was saying something different than the rest of the corner were saying, you know?

   9. GCGina Carano6:49

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:49

       It's like, uh-

   11. GCGina Carano6:51

       It's that kind when you went to spar and then you just don't really want to be there or something, and you're not trying to ... I don't know. It just isn't flowing. The chemistry's off or something.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       I think maybe the game plan was make Carla frustrated and take big risks.

   13. GCGina Carano7:06

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       'Cause she has to win, right? She has to go after Rose to win. But there was like ... by the time we were in like round three, I was having this conversation with Cormier. I was like, "Who f- who fucking knows who won? Who knows-

   15. GCGina Carano7:19

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       "... who's winning this?"

   17. GCGina Carano7:20

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:20

       'Cause this is nothing's happening. Like it's ... when nothing's happening. This is my number one problem with scoring, the way we have scoring with MMA, that that cou- ... either one of those rounds could be a 10-9 round or a round where someone beats someone pretty cleanly and lands a lot of shots. It could also be a 10-9 round.

   19. GCGina Carano7:38

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:38

       That doesn't make any sense.

   21. GCGina Carano7:39

       Right. Right. Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       That's great d- that's, that's a flaw in the scoring system.

   23. GCGina Carano7:44

       Time to update the program.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       Yeah, we need a better system. We don't need boxing system.

   25. GCGina Carano7:48

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       We need something that i- it's like it shouldn't have anything to do with 10-9. It, it should be ... there should be a bunch of factors like volume, the amount of strikes, submissions, take downs-

   27. GCGina Carano7:59

       Damage.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       All the damage.

   29. GCGina Carano8:01

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       All, all, all that shit added up and it should be a totally different ... I mean, we should have scores like 57-96 for one round, you know, 100-20 for-
5. 9:01 – 13:57

   From partying to Muay Thai: Master Totty, ‘fat shaming,’ and structure

   1. GCGina Carano9:01

      Um, I don't know. For me, at the time, it was just, okay, so this ... I was going to a college for psychology (laughs) and I'd show up to c- you know, the college classes in full on pajamas. I didn't care. I wasn't paying attention. I didn't want to be there. I just ... I felt like this is the thing you do after high school, right? You go to college and, um, I don't really think that it did me any favors because I'm a type of person that, you know, like idle hands. If I'm not interested in doing this, then, um, I'll get into trouble.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:31

      Mm-hmm.

   3. GCGina Carano9:31

      And so, um, then we started getting into trouble and, um, I guess what happened was Kevin, um, Ross, who you had on your show, um, and he's ... I've known him for 21 years now. We're like that couple that's always on and off and nobody ... everybody's like ... my family just stopped asking. (laughs) They're like, "Are you together? Now? This Christmas?" Um, so, so he decided one night to ... he'd always wanted to, um, do mixed martial arts and he always loved Bruce Lee. And we were drinking, of course, these 40 ounces of Olde English, which I don't know if you tried one lately.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:05

      Oh, yeah.

   5. GCGina Carano10:05

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:05

      Olde English makes you reckless. (laughs)

   7. GCGina Carano10:07

      This- (laughs) And it's just like this much of it hurts. Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:10

      Yeah.

   9. GCGina Carano10:10

      And we used to drink full ... we used to try to get ... I used to get to like a one and a half, like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       That is strong stuff.

   11. GCGina Carano10:15

       Yeah. It's ... I tried it and I was like, "I cannot believe I used to drink this poison." Um, but his dad had asked him, you know, "Well, I'll, I'll sponsor you for your first couple lessons if you promise me to put that down." And that night he put it down and he went and started training with a guy get- called, uh, Master Totty. Um, he's this Thai man who of course came from Thailand, um, but he went over to the UK, taught over there, and then he came to the States and, you know, like, uh, taught people like Angela Parr and John Wayne Parr, um, who came before me as well, um, Kit Cope and all of them. So, um, Kevin walked into the right gym and learned Muay Thai from the very authentic Thai style. And then I would go in there (laughs) and, uh, Master Chan, who I think is still in Las Vegas, he ... I w- I would, I would walk in and I'm still drinking and partying and everything. He was like, "Oh baby, you're fat. You need to lose weight." (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       (laughs)

   13. GCGina Carano11:14

       And I was like, "Now that didn't come from my dad. That came from this Thai man that has nothing to gain in my life but to be like, 'Hey, you need to work out.'" (laughs) And so I immediately signed up for 20 lessons with him and, um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:29

       So he fat shamed you into training?

   15. GCGina Carano11:30

       Yeah. Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       (laughs)

   17. GCGina Carano11:31

       Uh, I don't know if you know this. Thais are really good at that. And I-

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:34

       Are they really?

   19. GCGina Carano11:35

       Yeah. I probably need Master Chan back in my life right now. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       (laughs)

   21. GCGina Carano11:38

       If I'm being really honest, like he's probably like, "Oh baby, baby, get back into training." (laughs) Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:43

       They're so friendly though. I wouldn't think that Thai people would be that-

   23. GCGina Carano11:46

       Have you been to Thailand?

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:47

       Yes.

   25. GCGina Carano11:48

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       I enjoyed it over there.

   27. GCGina Carano11:49

       They're always like (laughs) they're like ... like the first two weeks of training suck so bad because they're like, "Oh, too big, too big." (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       (laughs)

   29. GCGina Carano11:58

       "You need to go down." And I'm like ... I usually lose about like 20 pounds the first two weeks just 'cause I'm like, "Shit, this fat shaming just sucks." But I, I, I don't mind-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       (laughs)
6. 13:57 – 17:31

   Twitter vs real life: toxicity, “post and ghost,” and fan expo reality check

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:57

      That's the internet.

   2. GCGina Carano13:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      That's a lot of the internet.

   4. GCGina Carano13:58

      That's the entire Twitter, yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:00

      (laughs)

   6. GCGina Carano14:00

      Yeah. Uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:01

      That's a lot of it. It's, it's super unhealthy for them, too. They don't even realize it. They're spitting out all this, like, emotional poison and they're doing it all day long.

   8. GCGina Carano14:09

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:09

      That's like... That's not good.

   10. GCGina Carano14:11

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       It's not good for you either. You, like, you can't feel good about yourself-

   12. GCGina Carano14:14

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       ... if you're just being mean to people all day.

   14. GCGina Carano14:15

       We- Yeah, but that says more about them than it does about you, uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:20

       Yeah. It does. And, you know, look, people talk like that all the time. The difference is, it seems different when it's written down.

   16. GCGina Carano14:28

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       You know, like if you just had people alone in a barber shop, they would just be talking shit-

   18. GCGina Carano14:32

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:33

       ... insulting people.

   20. GCGina Carano14:33

       Yes, which is great.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:35

       Uh, but now it's written down.

   22. GCGina Carano14:37

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       That's the difference. Louis C.K. said that to me once, and when he said it, I was like, "Oh, uh, uh, now I thought about it differently." He goes, "It's just talk."

   24. GCGina Carano14:44

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:44

       Like, people always talk like that, but now it's written down. It looks different when you read, you read it.

   26. GCGina Carano14:49

       And it's so not how people really are-

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:51

       Right.

   28. GCGina Carano14:51

       ... in person. Like, I just did, um, a Dallas fan expo for three days, and there was not one person in that whole entire expo that said one thing negative, hateful. There was no-

   29. JRJoe Rogan15:03

       Yeah, isn't that weird?

   30. GCGina Carano15:03

       Yeah. I'm like-
7. 17:31 – 31:09

   Cancel culture, mandates, and constitutional rights: the Patricia Arquette exchange

   1. GCGina Carano17:31

      I have Patricia Arquette, you know who that is?

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:33

      Sure.

   3. GCGina Carano17:33

      She's coming at me on Twitter right now. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:35

      She is?

   5. GCGina Carano17:36

      Yes. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:36

      For what? The, the actress?

   7. GCGina Carano17:37

      Yes. Um, who I absolutely, uh, look up to, you know. Um, she did a recent film, I think it was on Apple, called, uh, Severance, which is the microchip in the brain, really cool series. Um, and of course, True Romance was one of my favorite movies-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:53

      Yeah.

   9. GCGina Carano17:53

      ... to this day, and she's coming after me. So I had posted an article about if there's any time to stand up, it's right now. Um, is there gonna... If there's any time to get canceled for something or stand up or have there be some con- sort of controversy, it's like right now standing up for our constitutional rights. I feel like that's a good time to stand.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       Yeah.

   11. GCGina Carano18:11

       And she got on there and said (laughs) she said, "They wouldn't know about their constitutional rights or something if it s- it slapped them or smacked them in the face." And I was like, "What?" Like...

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:23

       Hmm.

   13. GCGina Carano18:24

       And so I responded to it and I said, "They," meaning, "are you saying they are stupid? Are you calling half or more than half the country stupid? They don't know about their constitutional rights because all's you read right here is Fox News?" And then she went into this massive spiel about, like, the January 6th and everything, which had nothing to do with the article.

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       What was the article about?

   15. GCGina Carano18:43

       It was, um, it was just about me talking about the cancel culture and how, you know, it, the mob came after me and-It had nothing about- it ha- nothing to do about the election or nothing to do about January 6th.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       What, wh- how did constitutional rights get factored into that?

   17. GCGina Carano18:56

       Um, just how I've been, kind of, very, (inhales) I guess, uh, anti-lockdown, anti-forcing people to vaccinate and forcing people to mask. Um, I've been very vocal about that, I guess vocal by being on Twitter and sharing quotes and things like that. Just, I feel like, um, you know, I feel like we've lost a lot of our rights by, um, this fearmongering and, um, overreach of government. So I don't know. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Yeah.

   19. GCGina Carano19:23

       Yeah. So-

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Well, no, I think you're right about that and I, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that. I think it's an important thing to say.

   21. GCGina Carano19:30

       And I was saying it early.

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:32

       Yeah.

   23. GCGina Carano19:32

       So I was saying it-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:33

       You were saying it boldly.

   25. GCGina Carano19:34

       Early.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:34

       You were saying it when people were scared.

   27. GCGina Carano19:36

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       And that's one of the things that happened is that everybody got separated from everybody. It was an incredibly anxious time, everybody was a bit- so many people are so filled with anxiety already.

   29. GCGina Carano19:47

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       Right? And then you take something like a deadly disease where you have to be locked in your house and then they're going to keep you from working. So a lot of people are in full panic because they're going to lose their business. Like, how many people are out there check to check? Most of America? And then all of a sudden you can't go to work-
8. 31:09 – 1:07:07

   Lab-leak/Gain-of-function, pharma power, and Fauci’s network

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:09

      It's definitely different than the flu. It's a, this is an engineered virus.

   2. GCGina Carano31:12

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:12

      This is a virus that was created-

   4. GCGina Carano31:13

      That they didn't purposefully-

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:14

      ... in a fucking lab.

   6. GCGina Carano31:14

      Did they-

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:14

      I don't think they did it on purpose. I really don't. No, I think, I think the Chinese lab in which they did it in Wuhan was so bad-... it would, they, they were cited for safety violations as recently as, I think, 2018. I think the real question is, why were they doing this kind of research?

   8. GCGina Carano31:31

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:32

      And the people that understand the research that they were doing, like, uh, uh, Barack Obama stopped that stuff from happening in 2014.

   10. GCGina Carano31:40

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       He put the kibosh on that back then. When the Trump Administration was kind of chaotic, that's when they started it all up again.

   12. GCGina Carano31:47

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       And they were lying about funding it. They were lying about funding it. They were saying, "We don't fund it." But you do fund EcoHealth Alliance, and EcoHealth Alliance funds the Wuhan lab. So, shut the fuck up-

   14. GCGina Carano31:57

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       ... this is all crazy. Like, these guys, the, the emails alone that were transferred back and forth from Peter Daszak and, and, uh, Anthony Fauci, and, and all these people that were involved in the funding of this research-

   16. GCGina Carano32:12

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       ... just the way they were framing it, and the way they were disparaging legitimate scientists and legitimate doctors that were not in lockstep in, in agreement with them, it's fucking shameful.

   18. GCGina Carano32:25

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       It's not scientific.

   20. GCGina Carano32:27

       Shameful as in people need to be in prison, maybe?

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:29

       It's political, it's big. Fuck yeah.

   22. GCGina Carano32:30

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:30

       And not only that, they, they, they should, it, this should be a thing. Like, Rand Paul's the only one who calls them out on it.

   24. GCGina Carano32:36

       Yeah. S-

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       And he does it on a regular basis, and he's 100% correct-

   26. GCGina Carano32:39

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:40

       ... in the things that he's saying about the funding of this-

   28. GCGina Carano32:43

       He's been a rock star.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       ... particular type of research. 'Cause when you see Fauci say that it's not gain of function research, but that's not true, 'cause the NIH says it's gain of function research.

   30. GCGina Carano32:53

       Yeah. Yeah.
9. 45:27 – 1:03:44

   Health culture wars: obesity, ‘fat shaming,’ beauty vs health

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      But, you know, we live in a culture where you're not supposed to say that. It, this was a really interesting part of the early-

   2. GCGina Carano45:32

      I hate that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      ... part of the pandemic.

   4. GCGina Carano45:32

      Like, why, why can't we s- we're America. We're United States of America.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      Well, we can say it. You can still say it, but a lot of people are gonna freak out because-

   6. GCGina Carano45:40

      But I can, I can, I can tell people, like, "I understand. I'm not necessarily healthy all the time," you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:46

      Yeah.

   8. GCGina Carano45:47

      Um, and I know that in looking in the mirror, I have to take responsibility for that. I have to take my own responsibility and not push that responsibility off on everybody else, and, um, make some lifestyle changes. And if I don't, then, you know, I, you have to deal with those consequences.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:02

      But you have a lot of people in this country that are living in denial about health in regards to being o- obese.

   10. GCGina Carano46:07

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       Like, there's a lot of people that think there's absolutely nothing wrong with it and that it's healthy-

   12. GCGina Carano46:11

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       ... and that, that, that, that it's a lie and that dieting is unhealthy. Like, there's a lot of crazy talk today.

   14. GCGina Carano46:16

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       And, and if you get in the wrong echo chamber online, you can be a victim of that kind of crazy talk-

   16. GCGina Carano46:22

       Well-

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       ... 'cause you start believing it.

   18. GCGina Carano46:23

       ... I feel like what people are, what they're saying is like, um ... See, what I'm saying is you can be beautiful. I believe beauty comes from (laughs) ... I feel like this is weird, and I feel beauty r- very much comes from-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       Comes from within?

   20. GCGina Carano46:36

       Yes-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       Yeah?

   22. GCGina Carano46:37

       ... Joe.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       Okay.

   24. GCGina Carano46:37

       I feel that. (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       Okay.

   26. GCGina Carano46:38

       I feel like J- uh, I feel like-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       You should write cards, like Hallmark cards.

   28. GCGina Carano46:42

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       (laughs)

   30. GCGina Carano46:42

       Maybe I will after I don't have a job for the rest of my life. (laughs)
10. 1:03:44 – 1:23:38

    From Tylenol danger to dessert talk + Dana White parody detour

    1. GCGina Carano1:03:44

       Until they, they genuinely... Uh, the government... So, like, the government, um, the medical, you know, companies, the media, everybody needs... You know, the, Disney, everybody needs to kind of break it back down. They need to, um, realize that trust, our trust in the government (laughs) is probably at an all time low. I mean, our trust in medical, uh, information is at an all time low. Everybody, nobody trusts anything. And I'm, I, I'm like, I don't trust anything. I'm, I, you know, I was al- a big fan of modern medicine, and I, I still am. I'm not absolutely ridiculous when it comes to any of it. But like, I'm trying to figure out, I don't want to take it... I'm, I'm becoming one of those people where I'm like, okay, I don't want to take Tylenol if I don't need Tylenol just because I have a little headache, you know? Whereas, like, before I was like, "Pop a Tylenol in there," you know?

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:30

       Yeah.

    3. GCGina Carano1:04:30

       Like, now I'm kind of thinking, "Mm."

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:32

       I read a terrible story about a woman who got COVID and died from Tylenol.

    5. GCGina Carano1:04:37

       (laughs) Well, jeez. (laughs)

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:38

       No, really, you can die from Tylenol.

    7. GCGina Carano1:04:40

       So-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:41

       Yeah. So this is what it was.

    9. GCGina Carano1:04:42

       We need to-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

        This woman got COVID-

    11. GCGina Carano1:04:43

        ... we kind of need to break it down, right? We need to kind of, like, go back to, um, you know, water, healthy eating, you know, kind of break our- ourselves back down, put away, you know, put away the things that we're using that are, is hurting us and, um, try to kind of get our systems clean. And then we can really see what the big problems are, you know? And then we can kind of figure out how to get healthier from there, I think.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:05

        Yeah. I should be clear about this. I'm not saying you shouldn't take Tylenol. What I'm saying is that there is a dose that's lethal for Tylenol, and it's not really that high.

    13. GCGina Carano1:05:15

        Really?

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:15

        No, it's not. This woman, she had COVID and she was in, you know, she was in pain. She had the horrible body aches and she took Tylenol and it wasn't helping, and so she took more and that wasn't helping, and she took more and she wound up in the hospital and she had liver failure.

    15. GCGina Carano1:05:30

        I think that's important to know. (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:32

        Um, it is important to know-

    17. GCGina Carano1:05:33

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

        ... because a lot of people don't know that Tylenol will fucking kill you.

    19. GCGina Carano1:05:36

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:36

        Like, what is the lethal dose of Tylenol? Let's find that out.

    21. GCGina Carano1:05:40

        I was all, I was using Tylenol Rapid Release when I was sick. Um, I was like (laughs) topping that thing-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:46

        Tylenol, Tylenol will fuck you up.

    23. GCGina Carano1:05:48

        So-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:48

        It will fuck you up.

    25. GCGina Carano1:05:48

        So you don't-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:49

        Well, I didn't take anything. When I had my knee surgery-

    27. GCGina Carano1:05:51

        I was do-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:51

        ... I didn't take shit.

    29. GCGina Carano1:05:52

        Really?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:53

        Yeah. I was like, "I'm not taking nothing." When I had my first, when I had my first knee surgery, I think... I can't remember if they gave me Percocets or Vicodins. I can't remember what it was. But I do remember I sold it to my friend Jeff.

Episode duration: 2:49:25