Joe Rogan Experience #1841 - Brian Redban

1. 0:00 – 2:27

   Kill Tony’s rise: discovering comics and Tony’s hosting evolution

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Kill Tony's the best fucking show in comedy.

   3. BRBrian Redban0:14

      It's great.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      It is. You guys have the best show in comedy.

   5. BRBrian Redban0:17

      We broke, uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Are we up?

   7. BRBrian Redban0:19

      Oh, nevermind.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Hold on a second.

   9. NANarrator0:20

      Yeah, you're good.

   10. BRBrian Redban0:20

       I don't wanna say this.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       We running?

   12. NANarrator0:22

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Yeah, we're running. Yeah. No, you have the best show in comedy. Kill, Kill Tony is the best live standup show that's ever existed. It's the best.

   14. BRBrian Redban0:29

       It's f- it's fun.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       It's the best.

   16. BRBrian Redban0:30

       Yeah. And it has such a great, you know, like, we learn about new comics in it, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Yeah.

   18. BRBrian Redban0:35

       And that, and that's great for ev- all of us, knowing who's good, who's bad, you know.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Think about all the people that came from it. Hans, William.

   20. BRBrian Redban0:42

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       You know, like, all, all these fucking people from the past. Preacher Lawson.

   22. BRBrian Redban0:46

       Yeah. Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       You know? I mean, how many guys came from Kill Tony?

   24. BRBrian Redban0:50

       Tons.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Right?

   26. BRBrian Redban0:51

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       It's fucking ... It's, it's such a great show, dude. You guys are ... It's awesome. It's so y- ... And you guys have it so down now, you know? Like, with the band behind you, and like everyone's in sync, and-

   28. BRBrian Redban1:04

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       It's so good. Tony is so fucking good at hosting too.

   30. BRBrian Redban1:08

       Yeah. It's, uh, insane. He, and he's gotten so much better, you know?
2. 2:27 – 3:49

   Portable podcasting & recording setups for touring shows

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:27

      And does the iPad hook up to the sound system in the club?

   2. BRBrian Redban2:30

      Yeah. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      How, how do they do that for you?

   4. BRBrian Redban2:31

      Uh, so I, I have like a studio-on-the-go type, type thing, where I plug ... Everything plugged into my c- my shit. And so I, uh, it records each mic on a different like, you know, s- you know, s- sound file. And then I have a splitter that runs to their house sounds, so they can turn up and turn down like their own house sound. And for me, it just stays the same, so ...

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:52

      Oh.

   6. BRBrian Redban2:52

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:53

      So it's pretty plug and play.

   8. BRBrian Redban2:54

      It's very plug and play.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:55

      Wow.

   10. BRBrian Redban2:55

       And it's cool because when we're on the road, you know, like a place like, "Hey, man, this is just a hotel banquet room. I don't know what you're, how you're gonna do this." And I'm like, "I just need one XLR cable," 'cause I, I just ... All I need. I could just plug in, like using an XLR cable, and control like nine different mics. I- i-

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       Oh, wow.

   12. BRBrian Redban3:11

       So it's ... Yeah. It's pretty fun.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Fucking technology, son.

   14. BRBrian Redban3:14

       So much easier nowadays. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       It's so crazy. Well, also, do, do people make, uh, podcast kits?

   16. BRBrian Redban3:21

       Uh-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Does anybody make a kit?

   18. BRBrian Redban3:22

       They do, and I've seen them before. Uh, you know, like you go to a website and they'll sell you a podcast kit, and it's just mediocre equipment and stuff like that. But people ask me all the time, uh, you know, "What you recommend?" And Zoom, uh, I think you've heard of Zoom before.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Yeah.

   20. BRBrian Redban3:37

       They, they make all the good shit. They have like ... They have these things where you just plug them right in. It records different tracks. It even like records so well, like if you could scream in it, it won't distort. It's called like float recording or something like that.

3. 3:49 – 8:42

   Podcast explosion: from a few hundred shows to ~4 million in the index

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      Dude, there's three million podcasts now.

   2. BRBrian Redban3:51

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      When we started, how many do you think there was?

   4. BRBrian Redban3:53

      I- hundr- i- in the hundreds at least. Like, hundreds.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:57

      (laughs)

   6. BRBrian Redban3:57

      200. Yeah, it's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      I wonder how many there were.

   8. BRBrian Redban4:00

      I don't know. It's ridiculous.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      I wish someone knew. How many podcasts were available in 2009? Find that out.

   10. NANarrator4:07

       I didn't ... Uh, Adam Curry had that, that, uh ... The thing. He had an archive. That's how it started, right? So there had to be a list he had.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:14

       Well, he's number one. Adam Curry is the, the pod father.

   12. BRBrian Redban4:17

       Right. And then there was all those-

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       All, all respect to Adam Curry.

   14. BRBrian Redban4:20

       There was all those people, like the tech guys, like Leo Laporte. Remember that guy?

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:23

       Yeah.

   16. BRBrian Redban4:23

       On like TechTV and shit like that?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Sure. I love that guy.

   18. BRBrian Redban4:24

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       That guy is awesome.

   20. BRBrian Redban4:25

       I think he still does it too.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       Yeah. Um, and Dvorak, who does it with, uh, with, uh, Adam.

   22. BRBrian Redban4:34

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah. So that podcast, Curry's podcast, the first one, was like ... Was it 2004 or something like that? It was like five years before us, I think. I think somewhere along those lines. But like when we started in 2009, what was the number of podcasts? I bet there's a log of that. Let's guess.

   24. BRBrian Redban4:58

       Ah, I don't know.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Give me a real guess.

   26. BRBrian Redban5:00

       I would say ...

   27. NANarrator5:02

       I could tell you how many there are currently. Do-

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       Give me, give me how many there are currently.

   29. NANarrator5:07

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       Oh my God. It's now four million.
4. 8:42 – 12:53

   Who’s ‘funny’ vs who can do stand-up: Eddie Bravo, Kill Tony auditions, and realness

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:42

      (laughs) Yeah, we all have met people that were, like, really funny that just never did it. You know?

   2. BRBrian Redban8:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      You know, Eddie Bravo's doing standup now, and I always told him to do standup. Like, way back in the day, I'm like, "Dude, you're funny. You have funny fucking stories, man."

   4. BRBrian Redban8:56

      I remember he tried it once, and he... Something happened. Like, he didn't have a good set, and then he stopped for a whi- uh, like...

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:01

      He had a couple of rough sets. (laughs)

   6. BRBrian Redban9:03

      Right. (laughs)

   7. NANarrator9:04

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      But that was before he was teaching. When he started teaching, he di- he got very comfortable, like, addressing people, 'cause he was doing a lot of seminars. So he would fly in and explain jujitsu in seminars, and one of the things he would do was tell funny stories. So he'd tell funny stories while he is, like, teaching jujitsu. And, you know, he's like, "Dude, I'm killing in front of my class." (laughs)

   9. BRBrian Redban9:28

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       And I started laughing, and then he, then he started doing it ag- again. He gave ano- But it was, like, a nine-year break where he wasn't doing it. Like, uh, at least... Uh, maybe nine is wrong. But many years, I forget how many. But he's funny, man. I saw him at the Comedy Store, and he was doing The Tinfoil Hat Show with Sam Tripoli.

   11. BRBrian Redban9:48

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       I'm like, "Dude, he's fucking funny."

   13. BRBrian Redban9:51

       Yeah, he-

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       He's got some funny-ass stories.

   15. BRBrian Redban9:52

       He always had, he always had funny stories. I remember about, like, the cranberry juice. Like, he would give a girl cranberry juice or something like that 'cause she had a urinary tract in- Uh, anyways, like, all those stories he would always tell us-

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       Right.

   17. BRBrian Redban10:02

       ... about the, like, like, dates he went on and stuff like that.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       Oh, he had crazy stories.

   19. BRBrian Redban10:06

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       They're very funny. But he's just figured out how to do standup now. It's interesting to watch, you know? I, I had this guy that I worked for that was a private investigator, and he was one of the funniest guys I've ever met. His name was Dave Dolan. I don't know if you ever met him. He died a few years back, though.

   21. BRBrian Redban10:23

       Hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       You might have met him one of the times we went back to, uh, Boston, 'cause I always saw him whenever I was in town. But he was my employee, my employer, when I was, uh, 21, when I was just starting to do standup. He needed a driver, so he put in an ad, uh, for a newspaper, uh, wanted a private investigator's assistant. And I was like, "Oh, that'd be a dope job to do while I'm doing standup. I'll be a private investigator's assistant." But it was really just, I had to drive him 'cause he lost his license from drinking and driving.

   23. BRBrian Redban10:54

       Wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       Dude, he was hilarious. He was one of the funniest people I ever met. Working with him, I would come home to- and, uh, there was this girl I was dating, and we would have these conversations about it. I was like, "He's so funny, it's, like, confusing." I'm like, "Why aren't you doing comedy?" I'm like, "We were... I was crying laughing all day with this guy."

   25. BRBrian Redban11:15

       Sometimes, it probably doesn't transfer well, though, you know? 'Cause it's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       He would've.

   27. BRBrian Redban11:19

       You think?

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       100%. 100%. 100%. He could've 100% been a comedian. He didn't give a fuck, though. He didn't want to do it. He had his, uh... And he had an in. His cousin was the, one of the owners of The Comedy Connection, was Bill Downs. Bill Downs and Paul... Fuck, I forgot his last name. I can't. I got- we gotta edit that part out. Paul Barclay, I got it. I'll say it again. It was Bill Downs and Paul Barclay. They were the owners of The Comedy Connection. And my friend, Dave Dolan, was cousins with Bill Downs, so he had, like, an in. He could've gone to an open mic. He would've got up. He would've fucking killed.

   29. BRBrian Redban12:06

       ... wonder why he didn't.

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:07

       Didn't want to. He, like, genuine- ne- genuinely didn't give a fuck. That's one of the reasons why he was so funny. Like, the guy genuinely didn't give a fuck. He was just a really funny dude.
5. 12:53 – 20:33

   Alcohol, weed crowds, and genetics: what changes people’s behavior

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Yeah. That's the hard part. This guy, uh, Dave, my friend, Dave, when he quit drinking, he stayed funny. And he quit, just quit like that. (snaps fingers)

   2. BRBrian Redban13:03

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:04

      When I started working for him, he's like, "I gotta stop." He got, uh... he crashed his car under a bridge and then ran away from the car. (laughs)

   4. BRBrian Redban13:11

      Oh, God.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:12

      So he's under an underpass.

   6. BRBrian Redban13:14

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:14

      And he was like, uh, like, "Th- that was fucking... that was the end of that one." He's like, "I had to let it go, bro." (laughs) But he just quit.

   8. BRBrian Redban13:21

      I think I could easily do that. Simple, I think, because I think the older I get, n- now drinking, to me, the next day, I'm like, "Well, this day's ruined." You know?

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:30

      Yeah.

   10. BRBrian Redban13:30

       Like, my body does not snap back like it used to. And I think if anything, it's kind of like, "Yeah, why am I drinking? Just 'cause I'm at a show?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:38

       Right.

   12. BRBrian Redban13:38

       'Cause I feel like when I'm at a show, I... you know, before I go on stage or something, I have to have a drink or two. But at home, n- not really.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:44

       That's one of the great things about doing Sober October is that you realize you don't really need anything.

   14. BRBrian Redban13:50

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       Like, you don't need to have a drink. Just go have fun.

   16. BRBrian Redban13:54

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Like, you can be completely sober and have a great time at a show. It's funny, but, like, alcohol and comedy, they're like... they go hand in hand. They're, they're... there's no other l- like, performance thing that goes better with alcohol than comedy.

   18. BRBrian Redban14:12

       Yeah. 'Cause it loosens you up.

   19. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       Yeah.

   20. BRBrian Redban14:14

       You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:14

       And, and you're in a live setting, so it's exciting. There's all these other people laughing around you. You're getting a little tipsy.

   22. BRBrian Redban14:21

       Is there anything else that will loosen you up? Maybe we just start eating turkey before we go on stage? (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       That doesn't work. That's not real. That's not real. Um, d- do you... do you remember, um, that place in Toronto where the whole crowd was high?

   24. BRBrian Redban14:35

       Yeah, Puff Mama's place. Uh-

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:37

       Yeah.

   26. BRBrian Redban14:37

       ... at the Underground.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:38

       Yeah.

   28. BRBrian Redban14:38

       Comedy Underground or whatever.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:39

       So you (laughs) go on stage, and there's no air in the room. You're just breathing weed smoke, breathing in and breathing out weed smoke. I can't tell you how high you get in that room. It's cra- it's so ridiculous. They have bongs on people's tables.

   30. BRBrian Redban14:56

       And they, they call it greening out. People, like, like-
6. 20:33 – 24:32

   Diet, gluten avoidance, and the glyphosate-in-foods worry

   1. BRBrian Redban20:33

      I don't really drink beer anymore. I-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:35

      No?

   3. BRBrian Redban20:36

      Do you still drink beer? I, I stopped drinking.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:37

      I do occasionally. Uh, but, you know, I, I've try- I'm trying to avoid as many things that are like... that have wheat in them.

   5. BRBrian Redban20:46

      Gluten stuff.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:47

      I just don't think my body reacts to that stuff very well. It's such a, it's a big slowdown in my system when I eat bread or when I eat pasta. And I still love it. I fucking love it all. I love pizza. I love it. But my body does not react well to it.

   7. BRBrian Redban21:05

      Have you got a gluten test before? Have you checked?

   8. JRJoe Rogan21:07

      No. No, I'm just going by my own... just how it feels for me. I think everybody's fucking different, you know, and I think this one-size-fits-all approach to what you eat is crazy. For me, it seems like my, my body feels at its best when I eat mostly meat and fruit. So that's what I eat.

   9. BRBrian Redban21:25

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       I don't fuck around. 'Cause when I do fuck around, I always feel like shit.

   11. BRBrian Redban21:30

       I agree with that. Meat, meat is, uh, uh, mostly what I eat, but I eat burgers, you know. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       (laughs)

   13. BRBrian Redban21:37

       I'm addicted to burgers but, uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:39

       But you get them on the bun.

   15. BRBrian Redban21:40

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       That's the problem.

   17. BRBrian Redban21:41

       I-

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:41

       They're more delicious on the bun.

   19. BRBrian Redban21:43

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:43

       It's more delicious.

   21. BRBrian Redban21:44

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:45

       An In & Out with a lettuce wrap is pretty fucking good.

   23. BRBrian Redban21:47

       That is good.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       But-

   25. BRBrian Redban21:48

       You have to get the double though.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:49

       ... it's not as good as with the bun.

   27. BRBrian Redban21:51

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:51

       The bun makes it better. The whole thing makes it... It makes it better. There's a, there's a... Also, there's like, "I'm eating bread, yeah."

   29. BRBrian Redban22:00

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       Yom, yom, yom. Bread used to just be food. When the fuck did bread become bad for you?
7. 24:32 – 32:51

   Microplastics and reproductive health: sperm counts, phthalates, and ‘feminization’ fears

   1. BRBrian Redban24:32

      Right. It's like those microplastics. When I start reading about microplastics and stuff like that, I start freaking out and-

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:37

      Do you know how much we eat every week?

   3. BRBrian Redban24:39

      Yeah, it's nuts. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:40

      It's a credit card.

   5. BRBrian Redban24:41

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:42

      We eat a credit card.

   7. BRBrian Redban24:43

      It's craziness.

   8. NANarrator24:44

      I wish I could remember where I... (clears throat) I read someone said that it's not a misinterpretation, but that's, like, the highest end it could be as a credit card. I think when they brought in the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:54

      So, like, somebody who eats microwave-

   10. NANarrator24:55

       And they even, like, they... The way they got that number was, like, studying clams or something like that, and then did, uh, a next, uh, a math problem, I can't think of the word right now, to figure out what it would be like in humans if it was the same size.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:07

       Oh.

   12. NANarrator25:08

       That's how they got that number.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:09

       So, there's a little fuckery involved.

   14. NANarrator25:10

       There's a li- a little. But I don't know if I fucking-

   15. BRBrian Redban25:13

       All of it. I mean-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:13

       A wee...

   17. BRBrian Redban25:13

       But there is some, so I kinda... I don't wanna say it's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:14

       A wee bit of fuckery.

   19. NANarrator25:15

       It's, it's not untrue, but it seemed like there was a little bit of a, like, uh...

   20. BRBrian Redban25:18

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan25:18

       Okay. It's-

   22. NANarrator25:19

       Well, credit card seems like a lot. (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:21

       Seems like a whole lot.

   24. BRBrian Redban25:21

       And how much stays in your body and how much do you shit out?

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:25

       Right. I bet you'd shit a lot of it out.

   26. BRBrian Redban25:28

       I'd, what, like, 99.9% probably.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       But what if you don't?

   28. BRBrian Redban25:33

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:34

       You don't? Plastics and stuff in your body, like, urgh.

   30. NANarrator25:38

       See, here's, like, the article, but, like, for... Weirdly, it starts off saying, "Globally, we are ingesting an average of five grams." So, it's an average too. And that we're just globally-
8. 32:51 – 38:37

   AI sentience debate: Google’s LaMDA, ‘souls,’ and what it means to be alive

   1. BRBrian Redban32:51

      I'm more concerned about that artificial intelligence, that Google guy that quit, uh, or got fired. Have you heard about this? He-

   2. JRJoe Rogan32:58

      Yes.

   3. BRBrian Redban32:58

      Oh, you already talked about it.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:59

      Yes.

   5. BRBrian Redban32:59

      You said it probably. (laughs)

   6. NANarrator33:00

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:00

      No, yeah. No, I talked about it with a guy who understands these things yesterday.

   8. BRBrian Redban33:04

      Oh, okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:04

      Marc Andreessen. And, um, it's really interesting 'cause I'm too dumb to really know. I'm, I'm, you know, not very informed about, like, how these things work, what these programs were. But what he was saying that made a lot of sense, he goes, "This thing is using Google and it's, it's literally using, like, all of the interactions with human beings. And it knows responses to, like, a fucking insane number of questions. So it can use this program to communicate with you. And if you ask it to convince you that it's alive, it can figure out how to get the words together. But if you asked it to convince you that it's not alive, it would also figure out a way to form that."

   10. BRBrian Redban33:52

       But that alone is, like, what a, a human could do. Could either, you know, act, or ... (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:56

       Right. That's the problem. The problem is I think we're waiting for, like, an energy that propels it, like a s- like, a soul. Right?

   12. BRBrian Redban34:04

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       'Cause if it already has all of ... What are ... Like, most people's lives, you're interacting with people, you're learning from these interactions, you read about things that inspire you to be better, maybe you watch a documentary about someone that's really, really cool and inspires you to be better, and you're learning about what it means to be a person. Well, if they can just do that and just download it off the internet instantaneously and become infinitely smarter than you'll ever be, the only thing that's missing is, like, a soul. Like, a thing that makes them act.

   14. BRBrian Redban34:37

       That's why we're- they're gonna find out mixing technology with that and, like, a frog or something that has a soul. Something that's stupid, like, you know ... Well, that frog probably has a soul.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:47

       Yeah.

   16. BRBrian Redban34:47

       But we can use that soul, upgrade the soul, put it into a robot.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:51

       Oh my God. Imagine if they start extracting souls.

   18. NANarrator34:54

       (laughs)

   19. BRBrian Redban34:54

       Yeah, from frogs. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       From fro- Look at this. Google engineer Bli- Blake ... How do you say that?

   21. BRBrian Redban35:01

       Le- LeMoyne?

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:02

       LeMoyne? LeMoyne is a priest and Christian mystic. Well, now I believe him more.

   23. NANarrator35:08

       (laughs)

   24. BRBrian Redban35:09

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:09

       "All of his claims about sentience, personhood, and rights," Blake Lemoine wrote on Twitter on Saturday, "are rooted in re- religious convictions as a priest." His arguments therefore pre-theoretic, he says. Are for ... Uh, in b- in a previous Medium post about the question of religious discrimination at Google, LeMoyne describes himself as a Christian mystic.

   26. NANarrator35:36

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:36

       He, he also notes his sincerely held religious beliefs in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. That sounds like a guy who's done mushrooms. Right?

   28. NANarrator35:46

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:47

       That's what it sounds like. Probably has. Probably micro-doses. Why doesn't it work?

   30. NANarrator35:51

       Definitely.
9. 38:37 – 44:11

   Bug empathy, crickets vs roaches, and the locust transformation (serotonin swarms)

   1. JRJoe Rogan38:37

      Do they think that, though? Like, does it... Like, when people are really n- nutty with the soul thing, do they think crickets have souls?

   2. BRBrian Redban38:44

      I think so. I think any living thing has a soul, even trees.

   3. JRJoe Rogan38:46

      Do you kill crickets?

   4. BRBrian Redban38:48

      I don't try to, but I don't give a shit if I do.

   5. JRJoe Rogan38:51

      I always try not to kill 'em.

   6. BRBrian Redban38:52

      Crickets?

   7. JRJoe Rogan38:53

      That's the only bug that's in my house that doesn't get whooped. Right? If you catch a roach in your house, he's dead, right?

   8. BRBrian Redban38:59

      Yeah, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan38:59

      100%.

   10. BRBrian Redban39:00

       Yeah. Whereas-

   11. JRJoe Rogan39:00

       Spider, most likely dead, I've been bitten by spiders.

   12. BRBrian Redban39:03

       Flies. Fuck flies.

   13. JRJoe Rogan39:04

       Fuck flies.

   14. NANarrator39:04

       Fuck off, flies.

   15. BRBrian Redban39:04

       Hate all flies.

   16. JRJoe Rogan39:05

       Flies can eat shit, right?

   17. NANarrator39:06

       Ants.

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:06

       They all die.

   19. BRBrian Redban39:07

       Yeah, fucking ants die.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:08

       Ants die.

   21. NANarrator39:08

       Die.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:08

       Ev- everybody dies. But crickets, you gotta catch 'em and throw 'em outside.

   23. NANarrator39:12

       Why?

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       I don't know, man.

   25. BRBrian Redban39:13

       That is kinda weird.

   26. NANarrator39:15

       (laughs) Why?

   27. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       I don't know, man. Don't you feel, feel like that, though?

   28. NANarrator39:17

       I don't know. I don't know why a crick...

   29. BRBrian Redban39:18

       Like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       I have no animosity towards crickets.
10. 44:11 – 48:55

    Avatar 2 hype & movie talk: theme recycling, theater tech, and recommended shows

    1. BRBrian Redban44:11

       Oh, God. Have you seen the preview for the new Thor movie?

    2. JRJoe Rogan44:14

       No.

    3. BRBrian Redban44:14

       It's like, him and a woman. It's like, W- Lady Thor.

    4. JRJoe Rogan44:18

       Why are you s- why are you mad at Lady Thor? Is it because it's the Lady Thor?

    5. BRBrian Redban44:20

       It's just, it just seemed really cheesy. But you, well, you know what was amazing? This is what I wanted to tell you. I got to see Avatar 2 trailer in 3D, and it's coming out in December. But have you seen the trailer for Avatar yet?

    6. JRJoe Rogan44:31

       I don't think I have. No.

    7. BRBrian Redban44:33

       (laughs) It looks so awesome.

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:35

       Yeah? Let's see it.

    9. BRBrian Redban44:35

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:35

        Let's watch the trailer for Avatar.

    11. BRBrian Redban44:37

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:37

        I'm, this, I've been excited about this. That, I mean-

    13. BRBrian Redban44:40

        For years.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:41

        ... Avatar 1 was a m- That was amazing movie. And it's ju- It was so visually stunning.

    15. BRBrian Redban44:47

        Yeah. The 3D-

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:47

        There was so much going on with it.

    17. BRBrian Redban44:49

        The 3D was insane on it. Uh, and I got to see it in XD. Have you done one of those theaters where the, the whole chair moves and f- flies around and stuff?

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:57

        What if you're holding a drink?

    19. BRBrian Redban44:58

        I- H- Yeah, y- you just gotta deal with that.

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:01

        Gotta put your drink down.

    21. BRBrian Redban45:02

        (laughs) It's kind of scary, though. Like, there's a, like, jump scares. You're like, "Oh my God." Like, 'cause it, it feels like somebody just pounded on the, on your back.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        Oh, wow.

    23. BRBrian Redban45:09

        It's almost too much.

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:11

        No, I've never been to one of those.

    25. NANarrator45:12

        (eerie music) Highly recommended. Wow, it's different when you don't see it in 3D though, huh? (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:23

        Still looks dope. You ever do that ride at Disneyland, or Disney World rather?

    27. NANarrator45:29

        Uh, no. I haven't been back to Disney-

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:31

        Dude.

    29. NANarrator45:31

        ... in a long time.

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:32

        Disney World has two Avatar rides. One of them is called Flights of Passage.
11. 48:55 – 59:41

    Violence, media, and mass shootings: multi-factor causes and family responsibility

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:55

       (laughs) You know, we were having this conversation yesterday about, like, what contributes to a person doing bad things. Like, what, what contributes to mass shootings? What contributes to gun violence? What contributes to all that, other than criminals and guns? Like, what contributes? Does video games play a part?

    2. BRBrian Redban49:16

       I don't wanna say yes, but, hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:18

       Okay. Do-

    4. BRBrian Redban49:19

       Let's just wink at each other.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:20

       Violent movies play a part?

    6. BRBrian Redban49:21

       Uh, anything that glamor-fies, uh, shooting-

    7. JRJoe Rogan49:24

       Glamor-fies? (laughs)

    8. BRBrian Redban49:26

       Glamor-fies. Anything that glamor-fies the s... I mean-

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:28

       Yeah.

    10. BRBrian Redban49:28

        I think, I think kids, at least, you know, I hate to say it, but games, come on, all the games are about shooting and fu- having guns and how fun they are.

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:37

        Mm-hmm. Yep.

    12. BRBrian Redban49:37

        I don't wanna even say that, though.

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:39

        Right.

    14. BRBrian Redban49:39

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:39

        Because it wouldn't, here's the thing, like, it wouldn't make you shoot somebody.

    16. BRBrian Redban49:43

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:43

        That's why we can both say that.

    18. BRBrian Redban49:45

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:45

        Like, it wouldn't make me shoot somebody just 'cause I saw a video game or played a video game about shooting people.

    20. BRBrian Redban49:50

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:50

        But how much of an effect does it have over people that are, like, maybe not, not that well educated? Maybe-

    22. BRBrian Redban50:00

        Bad parenting?

    23. JRJoe Rogan50:01

        ... bad parenting, maybe a bad neighborhood-

    24. BRBrian Redban50:03

        I think it's a lot of that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan50:03

        ... bad everything, and then they see that on TV all the time.

    26. BRBrian Redban50:07

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JRJoe Rogan50:08

        You see it in the movies all the time. It's interesting, like, how Hollywood is, like, so vocal against g- gun violence.

    28. BRBrian Redban50:17

        Right?

    29. JRJoe Rogan50:17

        Like, there's so many people now that are like, "We need gun control. We need gun control." But they're making these movies where they shoot the fuck out of people. It's so weird. That's so weird, because if there's ev- if, like, if ever somebody wanted to go, "Hey, you guys make all these movies making this look cool. What is the real problem? Is the real problem people who have guns who don't do anything and are law-abiding citizens? Or is the real problem people who make movies where it looks awesome to shoot people?" And I'm not saying they sh- they're the problem. I don't think they are. But, like, this, that whole problem is a weird problem. The, the problem that, of people wanting to randomly shoot people is not, that's not good. That's not a sign of a healthy society. It's a si- there's a lot, a lot going on there. We've had a lot of guns for a long time. This stuff has been ramping up fairly recently in human history. Like, this is a psychological problem.

    30. NANarrator51:19

        What about duels back in the day when you would just, someone would cross you and be like, "Well, I'm gonna shoot you for-"
12. 59:41 – 1:03:35

    Age cutoffs, sports advantages, and the ‘hold kids back’ phenomenon

    1. JRJoe Rogan59:41

       I was ... That's when I was 13. There was a guy in my class who was 17 years old, and he kept going back to eighth grade. He wanted to, he wanted to eventually graduate, but he just had been sent back so many times-

    2. BRBrian Redban59:56

       Oh my God.

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:57

       ... that his ... he would be entering high school, you know. He'd be like 18 years old entering high school. Like, can you even do that?

    4. BRBrian Redban1:00:05

       Uh, I mean, I got held back, and I was 18 the second half of eighth gr- my last year. (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Yeah, but that's normal. That's okay.

    6. BRBrian Redban1:00:15

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

       But, like, what year would they say, "Hey, you can't go to high school anymore"?

    8. BRBrian Redban1:00:18

       Yeah. Like, if you get-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

       What if-

    10. BRBrian Redban1:00:18

        I think 18.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

        What if you start off a loser, right?

    12. BRBrian Redban1:00:21

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

        And you're just, like, sucking your thumb every day in first grade, second grade, third. They keep holding you back. Like, "Brian, you gotta do second grade again." "Fuck you, I'm not doing shit." And you, they keep failing you. You can't w- can't, you can't have all Fs and get to third grade. So they keep holding you back. And next thing you know you're 17 but, you know, you're having a religious experience. God comes to you in a dream and tells you, "Hey man, get your fucking shit together, you're 17. You gotta graduate eighth grade." And so you graduate eighth grade. And then you're 18, you go to high school. Okay, what's the oldest age to be in high school? While it may differ around the world, the United States, the maximum age limit that a person can attend high school for free is about 20 or 21.... in one state, it's 19, in another it's 26.

    14. NANarrator1:01:06

        That's hilarious.

    15. You think it's 26?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

        Oh, here's the thing.

    17. NANarrator1:01:09

        Or West Virginia.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

        Well, let me ask you this. Here's the thing. I mean, if you wanted to, uh, you know there's people that hold their kid back a year because they want their kid to do better in sports. Did you know that that's a thing?

    19. NANarrator1:01:21

        Mm-hmm.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        Um, because there's real evidence, and Malcolm Gladwell's O- Outliers talks about this with professional hockey players. With professional hockey players, all the- the elites, they all were born within a certain time of the year, and it's not because that's a magic time of the year, but it's because that's like the l- the oldest you can be and still be in, like, first grade, the oldest you can be and still be in second grade. Like, their- their birthday was just right after the line, and they're- they're considerably more developed than kids that were, like, they're, they barely made it in on the bottom half, like, they're barely old enough to get into first grade. And this guy's barely, he's, he really should be in second grade. Right? So, but if you can get to that spot, your kid will have this 12-month advantage in growth. And let me tell you something with my kids, you notice, like, they'll grow, I'll, I'll watch them, and, like, all of a sudden they've grown two inches. It's like, how long did it take you to grow two inches?

    21. NANarrator1:02:25

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:25

        It's like six months. Like, what the fuck?

    23. NANarrator1:02:26

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

        This is crazy. You grew s- two inches in six. It sounds, it sounds like nothing, 'cause it's normal, but it's wild when you see it happen.

    25. NANarrator1:02:34

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:34

        But if you could get a kid that's already grown those two inches, and already gained, like, the X amount of pounds, and with boys it's a big one, 'cause they start maturing and developing and hormone kicks in, hormones kick in, that's a g- that kid's gonna have an advantage at sports. He's gonna be faster than those kids, he's gonna be maybe stronger than those kids. Maybe his hand-eye coordination will be better. It's, like, a lot of factors.

    27. NANarrator1:02:56

        I bet that happens a lot. I didn't even think about that.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

        It happens a lot. It happens a lot. So if you're a person who is, like, competitively inclined and you had children, you want your kids-

    29. NANarrator1:03:05

        Oh, yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

        ... to compete in sports, like, there's a lot of those fucking people.
13. 1:03:35 – 1:07:39

    Combat sports tangent: Beterbiev’s dominance and ‘hard people’ from certain regions

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:35

       What the fuck, man. Yeah, that would be crazy, 'cause if you could hold back that long, you'd be so mature. But when- once a man reaches, uh, I guess, like, I guess your 20s is when you're in your prime, like physical prime, till like maybe 30. And then with, uh, with athletes they can kick it into the deep, deep end of the 30s, like you could be an elite athlete. Like there's this guy, Artur Beterbiev. Beterbiev, uh, just knocked out Joe Smith Jr for the light heavyweight title. This guy is a fucking animal. He's 18 and 0 with 18 knockouts.

    2. NANarrator1:04:14

       Jesus.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:04:16

       He's the only world champion that's in boxing today that has a 100% knockout ratio for every fight he's ever been in. He's from Chechnya. This dude is fucking terrifying.

    4. NANarrator1:04:29

       Hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

       Terrifying, 'cause Joe Smith Jr is an animal. I mean, he's this big, power-punching light heavyweight and Beterbiev fucked him up in two rounds. What was my point?

    6. NANarrator1:04:41

       (laughs)

    7. Uh, high school football.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:45

       Oh.

    9. NANarrator1:04:45

       Oh, guess what state it is?

    10. What state?

    11. West Virginia? Texas.

    12. It is? (gasps) Of course, because of football.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:04:52

        Oh, my God.

    14. NANarrator1:04:53

        Maybe, but yeah, Texas is the outlier.

    15. Oh, my God. I want to know what the oldest person in Texas that played football is in high school.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:01

        Now I remember my point. Beterbiev is like 38.

    17. NANarrator1:05:05

        Oh.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:05

        I think he's 38 or 37 or 38, something like that, but g- google, uh, Artur Beterbiev.

    19. NANarrator1:05:12

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        He's a f- fucking animal. Most guys by that age that are professional boxers, he's 37, most guys by that age are starting to slide a little bit physically.

    21. NANarrator1:05:24

        Jesus.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:24

        Skillwise they can maintain... Dude, he's a fucking animal. B- google the, uh, the video of him knocking out Joe Smith Jr, 'cause you can find it online. He's a fucking animal. And Joe Smith Jr is a dangerous guy. He's this big, power-punching guy. And this Artur Beterbiev just fucked him up, man. But it's interesting how he did it. Like Joe's, like, real aggressive and powerful, and he just caught him coming in.

    23. NANarrator1:05:51

        Mm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:51

        His hand speed, the- the technique of his punches, like everything, and his fucking strength, man. Dude, all those people from that part of the world, those are some stout fucking people.

    25. NANarrator1:06:04

        It's weird.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

        Yeah. And this guy is, uh, Khamzat Chimaev, he's another guy from Chechnya, and he's, uh, an elite guy in the UFC. Like, there it is. They stopped the fight there.

    27. NANarrator1:06:15

        Wow.

    28. Shit.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:06:16

        And this guy does that to everybody. He's 18 and 0 with 18 knockouts, so everybody he's fought gets fucked up like this.

    30. NANarrator1:06:24

        Does- does he know a special place to hit the head? 'Cause it looks like he hit him in the back of the head.
14. 1:07:39 – 1:23:16

    Herzog documentaries, cave art, and imagining ancient humans (plus ‘monster Neanderthals’)

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:07:39

       That's what you're eating. You're eating moose, you're eating badgers, you're eating whatever the fuck you eat, whatever you kill. Salmon. You're probably eating the healthiest shit that a person can get and then you're, you have a, like, a long history of people there that have done, like, hard, hard physical work. That you, you ever see that, um, uh, Happy People: Life in the Taiga documentary about Siberia?

    2. NANarrator1:08:00

       Mm-mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:08:01

       Fuck, it's amazing. It's so interesting because (sighs) you almost envy their life. Like, there's a, there's something about people that live, uh, like, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which is essentially what these folks do. They, they grow food, but mostly what they're doing is, like, they're hunting meat and they're trapping fur and they're gathering fish. And then they're waiting out the winter. And in the winter, they do, like, a lot of their trapping and they do it on snowmobiles. It's, it's weird, man. It's a weird life. But these people that get together, they're all drinking and laughing and they're all happy. They have, like, a very low instance of mental illness. Like, everybody's fulfilled, they all have tasks that they have to do all day. And it's all, like, you have to m-... Like, the guy's making his own snow skis, he's showing you how to make the skis, you know, with his fucking Russian accent. Not Russian accent, I mean Russian. He's speaking in Russian, and it's just, um, you know, uh, captioned over. But it's, uh, an amazing documentary because these people seem so fucking fulfilled.

    4. NANarrator1:09:04

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:09:04

       And we're so lost. (laughs) We think we're so lucky. We think we're so lucky with our phones, with our videos-

    6. NANarrator1:09:10

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:09:11

       ... and our Instagrams, and our fucking flying around on planes. But meanwhile, we're all, like, miserable and disconnected. And people go, "How about this pill, Brian? Does this make you feel better? How about this one? Is it... Do we get the right spot? We got the right spot! Yay!" These people, all they do is drink vodka and eat moose and drive around on snowmobiles and they're having a blast.

    8. NANarrator1:09:32

       Sounds fun. Sounds like a vacation.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:09:34

       So you can show a clip from it. It's pretty, uh, it's an interesting documentary. Werner Herzog has two of my all-time favorite documentaries. There's that one and then there's Grizzly Man.

    10. NANarrator1:09:44

        Grizzly Man.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:09:46

        Which is, which is like-

    12. NANarrator1:09:47

        The best documentary in the whole entire world?

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:09:49

        Yeah, it might be.

    14. NANarrator1:09:49

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:09:50

        So this is these people that live, this is where they live. They live r- right off the Taiga River. And in the wintertime, that river freezes solid and they use it as a road. And they use it as a road to, uh, drag their shit across and to ride snowmobiles across. They all have dogs that they've trained. And these people live there, and this one guy's been up there for fucking decades. This one main guy that he follows a lot. He's really interesting. He was dropped off there by the former Soviet Union, like, way back in the day with very little understanding of how to survive with a dog. And he was like, "That dog kept me alive. That dog fed me." And so him, him and this dog would go out hunting. The other guy that he was supposed to be with, I think, bailed, but it's an am- it's an amazing story.

    16. NANarrator1:10:36

        Wow.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:10:36

        This guy had to figure out how to survive on the Taiga and now he loves it. And now they all talk about it like this is, they would never want to do anything else because their life there is just, it's, it's so natural. And they just live off this crazy river in this frozen part of the world where you can only survive outside (laughs) for, like, a, a certain amount of time. And they're all furred up and...

    18. NANarrator1:11:01

        (laughs)

    19. Does it explain how he found this guy?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:11:04

        (sighs)

    21. NANarrator1:11:04

        Like, how he discovered him?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:11:05

        No, he didn't. No, I mean, Herzog's a genius. His, um, his other documentary that's really interesting, too, is about the cave paintings that they found in France. Have you ever seen that?

    23. NANarrator1:11:15

        Mm-mm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:11:16

        They found these cave paintings in France and I want to say they're like 30,000 years old or something. Something insane. See if it, like, what, what it says. They found those and they, um, they did this exploration of the cave and they filmed it. And, you know, this is stuff that probably hadn't been seen by human eyes for like, who knows how many years. And so these people were discovering this in this cave and looking at it and it's amazing. It's like there's no more vivid a snapshot in time than looking at some stuff that people drew when they were, like, the first people to draw things, you know? I mean, these are, these are the most primitive of people. They're living in caves, literally. I mean, who knows what kind of weapons they had, who knows what, how they were doing this, but these people, they all, um, deep in this cave, they all lived and they, they drew shit on the walls. And so here they are finding this stuff.

    25. NANarrator1:12:18

        Very long taints, they'd had probably also. (laughs)

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:12:20

        Their taints were giant.

    27. NANarrator1:12:21

        (laughs)

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:12:21

        Their taints were, like, their whole forearm. (laughs)

    29. NANarrator1:12:25

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:12:26

        It's really, really interesting, man, 'cause these images are fucking cool as shit. Look at these images.

Episode duration: 3:55:38