Joe Rogan Experience #1841 - Brian Redban

Narrator 0:00 (drum music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Kill Tony's the best fucking show in comedy.

Brian Redban 0:14 It's great.

Joe Rogan 0:15 It is. You guys have the best show in comedy.

Brian Redban 0:17 We broke, uh-

Joe Rogan 0:18 Are we up?

Brian Redban 0:19 Oh, nevermind.

Joe Rogan 0:20 Hold on a second.

Narrator 0:20 Yeah, you're good.

Brian Redban 0:20 I don't wanna say this.

Joe Rogan 0:21 We running?

Narrator 0:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:22 Yeah, we're running. Yeah. No, you have the best show in comedy. Kill, Kill Tony is the best live standup show that's ever existed. It's the best.

Brian Redban 0:29 It's f- it's fun.

Joe Rogan 0:29 It's the best.

Brian Redban 0:30 Yeah. And it has such a great, you know, like, we learn about new comics in it, you know?

Joe Rogan 0:35 Yeah.

Brian Redban 0:35 And that, and that's great for ev- all of us, knowing who's good, who's bad, you know.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Think about all the people that came from it. Hans, William.

Brian Redban 0:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:42 You know, like, all, all these fucking people from the past. Preacher Lawson.

Brian Redban 0:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 You know? I mean, how many guys came from Kill Tony?

Brian Redban 0:50 Tons.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Right?

Brian Redban 0:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:52 It's fucking ... It's, it's such a great show, dude. You guys are ... It's awesome. It's so y- ... And you guys have it so down now, you know? Like, with the band behind you, and like everyone's in sync, and-

Brian Redban 1:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04 It's so good. Tony is so fucking good at hosting too.

Brian Redban 1:08 Yeah. It's, uh, insane. He, and he's gotten so much better, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:12 Yeah.

Brian Redban 1:12 Like, just in the last couple years, you could just ... He, he's like so professional now, like how he does it.

Joe Rogan 1:17 Yeah.

Brian Redban 1:17 'Cause it used to be where I'd be like, "Okay, now we have to do hats," you know, and stuff like that. And I had to kind of like help him.

Joe Rogan 1:21 Mm-hmm.

Brian Redban 1:21 Now he, he just ... He, he has it. It's-

Joe Rogan 1:23 No, he's got it down.

Brian Redban 1:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24 But like off the cuff, that kid is fucking insane. It's so good. It's such a great thing to have for comedy too, to have like this opportunity for young, up-and-coming people, or, or even old up-and-coming people. They could be old. You've had a few old people. Who's the oldest p- one you've ever had on your show?

Brian Redban 1:40 Like the, uh, like a guest?

Joe Rogan 1:42 Yeah.

Brian Redban 1:43 Or are you ... Uh, I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:44 Not a guest, like a-

Brian Redban 1:45 You know what I mean? Someone we've found?

Joe Rogan 1:46 ... a one-minute. Yeah, someone doing a one-minute.

Brian Redban 1:47 Oh, we've had old, old, old people.

Joe Rogan 1:49 (laughs)

Brian Redban 1:49 Like, when we, we're, when we w- ... Like, on the road, we'll find these guys that, you know, did comedy in the '80s, and they still do it in like Jersey somewhere, and they be ... You know, and, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:58 Wow.

Brian Redban 1:58 Yeah. We've had some old people. I can't really think of anyone off, like their names or anything off the ... We've been doing almost 10 years. We're ... It's insane how long we've been doing it.

Joe Rogan 2:07 That's wild.

Brian Redban 2:08 Every single Monday. Sometimes we're doing Monday and then Friday, two shows, Saturday, two shows. When we're on the road it's just-

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yeah.

Brian Redban 2:16 ... insane how many we've been doing. And it- and the show is ... Runs itself now. Me and Tony could literally, just me and him and an iPad, go anywhere and then like have a show. It's pretty ridiculous how it works, you know?

Joe Rogan 2:27 And does the iPad hook up to the sound system in the club?

Brian Redban 2:30 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:30 How, how do they do that for you?

Brian Redban 2:31 Uh, so I, I have like a studio-on-the-go type, type thing, where I plug ... Everything plugged into my c- my shit. And so I, uh, it records each mic on a different like, you know, s- you know, s- sound file. And then I have a splitter that runs to their house sounds, so they can turn up and turn down like their own house sound. And for me, it just stays the same, so ...

Joe Rogan 2:52 Oh.

Brian Redban 2:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:53 So it's pretty plug and play.

Brian Redban 2:54 It's very plug and play.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Wow.

Brian Redban 2:55 And it's cool because when we're on the road, you know, like a place like, "Hey, man, this is just a hotel banquet room. I don't know what you're, how you're gonna do this." And I'm like, "I just need one XLR cable," 'cause I, I just ... All I need. I could just plug in, like using an XLR cable, and control like nine different mics. I- i-

Joe Rogan 3:10 Oh, wow.

Brian Redban 3:11 So it's ... Yeah. It's pretty fun.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Fucking technology, son.

Brian Redban 3:14 So much easier nowadays. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:15 It's so crazy. Well, also, do, do people make, uh, podcast kits?

Brian Redban 3:21 Uh-

Joe Rogan 3:21 Does anybody make a kit?

Brian Redban 3:22 They do, and I've seen them before. Uh, you know, like you go to a website and they'll sell you a podcast kit, and it's just mediocre equipment and stuff like that. But people ask me all the time, uh, you know, "What you recommend?" And Zoom, uh, I think you've heard of Zoom before.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Yeah.

Brian Redban 3:37 They, they make all the good shit. They have like ... They have these things where you just plug them right in. It records different tracks. It even like records so well, like if you could scream in it, it won't distort. It's called like float recording or something like that.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Dude, there's three million podcasts now.

Brian Redban 3:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:52 When we started, how many do you think there was?

Brian Redban 3:53 I- hundr- i- in the hundreds at least. Like, hundreds.

Joe Rogan 3:57 (laughs)

Brian Redban 3:57 200. Yeah, it's-

Joe Rogan 3:59 I wonder how many there were.

Brian Redban 4:00 I don't know. It's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 4:01 I wish someone knew. How many podcasts were available in 2009? Find that out.

Narrator 4:07 I didn't ... Uh, Adam Curry had that, that, uh ... The thing. He had an archive. That's how it started, right? So there had to be a list he had.

Joe Rogan 4:14 Well, he's number one. Adam Curry is the, the pod father.

Brian Redban 4:17 Right. And then there was all those-

Joe Rogan 4:18 All, all respect to Adam Curry.

Brian Redban 4:20 There was all those people, like the tech guys, like Leo Laporte. Remember that guy?

Joe Rogan 4:23 Yeah.

Brian Redban 4:23 On like TechTV and shit like that?

Joe Rogan 4:24 Sure. I love that guy.

Brian Redban 4:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:24 That guy is awesome.

Brian Redban 4:25 I think he still does it too.

Joe Rogan 4:27 Yeah. Um, and Dvorak, who does it with, uh, with, uh, Adam.

Brian Redban 4:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:35 Yeah. So that podcast, Curry's podcast, the first one, was like ... Was it 2004 or something like that? It was like five years before us, I think. I think somewhere along those lines. But like when we started in 2009, what was the number of podcasts? I bet there's a log of that. Let's guess.

Brian Redban 4:58 Ah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 4:59 Give me a real guess.

Brian Redban 5:00 I would say ...

Narrator 5:02 I could tell you how many there are currently. Do-

Joe Rogan 5:04 Give me, give me how many there are currently.

Narrator 5:07 Wow.

Joe Rogan 5:07 Oh my God. It's now four million.

Brian Redban 5:09 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Holy shit, dude. So it jumped up a million.

Brian Redban 5:15 I wonder though, is this podcasts or podcast shows?

Narrator 5:18 That's what ... So in the last three days, there's been 100,000 episodes published, shows published. I would, I would imagine that that means-

Joe Rogan 5:25 Total podcasts-

Narrator 5:26 ... like episodes.

Joe Rogan 5:26 ... in the index.

Narrator 5:27 Okay.

Joe Rogan 5:28 4,079,717. Holy fuck.

Brian Redban 5:33 That's crazy. Yeah. I would say it was-

Joe Rogan 5:35 Four million is like ... Dude, it was just three million a couple of months ago, Jamie. Do you remember?

Brian Redban 5:41 I mean, it made it easier-

Joe Rogan 5:43 It wasn't that, wasn't that long ago.

Narrator 5:44 Make it easy to upload. More people, you know, barrier to entry.

Joe Rogan 5:47 But that's wild, man. That's wild.

Brian Redban 5:52 I, I think there was still ... When we started, there was podcasts though. There was probably-

Joe Rogan 5:56 For sure.

Brian Redban 5:56 ... a couple hundred.

Joe Rogan 5:58 Had to be.

Brian Redban 5:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:59 Well, there was Adam-

Brian Redban 6:00 At least.

Joe Rogan 6:01 ... Adam Carolla.Right. Adam Curry-

Brian Redban 6:04 Marc Maron? Was he doing it?

Joe Rogan 6:06 He was before us, he was before us. I think by, like, at least, at least months, if not a year. I don't know.

Brian Redban 6:14 True.

Joe Rogan 6:14 But it wa- he was before us. Um, who else? Who else had one?

Brian Redban 6:18 Corolla, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:19 Not a lo- not a lot of other people, man.

Brian Redban 6:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:21 Oh, Kevin Smith.

Brian Redban 6:22 Kevin Smith. That's right.

Joe Rogan 6:23 Kevin Smith always had a small podcast.

Brian Redban 6:24 Smallcastle. We did that one.

Joe Rogan 6:26 Yeah, we did that at the theater.

Brian Redban 6:27 At Jim Norton. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:27 That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. He, he had them out before anybody. He was one of the early, early birds.

Brian Redban 6:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:35 But how am I, like, overall?

Brian Redban 6:38 I w- I wonder if you can go to, like, the Internet Archive and just look at podcast rankings, and maybe it would show it there.

Narrator 6:46 I bet if you look at that same site, uh... I'm digging through some Adam Curry info to find that original archive he had. Like, 2005 is what I'm reading right now, is when that RSS feed thing ... they gave to Apple to build their database off of.

Joe Rogan 7:03 So that was his first, 2005. So he was number one. So it goes from Adam Curry, and there's probably a few other tech guys probably got involved around then and started doing some.

Brian Redban 7:14 And now everything. Now, TV shows.

Joe Rogan 7:17 Now 4 million people.

Brian Redban 7:17 Like, just Kinko's locations, you know, like, eat- like, have podcasts. I, I was watching-

Joe Rogan 7:22 Really? (laughs)

Brian Redban 7:22 Yeah, I was watching... You know, uh, when you see a movie and before the movie starts and before the previews, they have, uh, just, like, like, little trivia games, you know, and they have, like, a host. And it's, like, just tons of commercials, and then they-

Joe Rogan 7:35 Right.

Brian Redban 7:35 They, they go, "And you could join us on our new podcast." And I was like, "Who is sitting there watch- that, that enjoys that part of the movie enough where they're gonna subscribe to a podcast about that?"

Joe Rogan 7:45 (laughs)

Brian Redban 7:46 You pro- you probably don't know what I'm talking about.

Joe Rogan 7:47 I don't, but, but I-

Brian Redban 7:49 Like, if you go to a movie early before the movie trailers comes on, it's just, like, this generic stuff, where it's just a ton of commercials and people giving you, like, movie trivia. Like, "Hi." It's kinda like E enter- Eta- Entertain- Entertainment Tonight, but it's just too, uh, it's just cheesy shit.

Joe Rogan 8:04 How-

Brian Redban 8:04 But they have a podcast.

Joe Rogan 8:06 How many, like, restaurants and bars have their own podcasts?

Brian Redban 8:08 Exactly, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:09 That must be a thing now, right?

Brian Redban 8:10 Oh, totally. Totally. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:12 But there's always probably funny people at bars, right? It's probably not a bad idea. And you've met people that never did stand up that were really hilarious, right?

Brian Redban 8:21 Oh, yeah. Tons, yeah. Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 8:23 Like, some guys where you're like, "God, if I was, like, a tenth as funny as that guy."

Brian Redban 8:26 Right. Yeah. The only reason you couldn't have it at a bar is probably for insurance reasons. Like, you know, "Oh, here's proof that they just got drunk before they killed a bunch of people after this podcast." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:38 Yeah.

Brian Redban 8:38 I don't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:42 (laughs) Yeah, we all have met people that were, like, really funny that just never did it. You know?

Brian Redban 8:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:48 You know, Eddie Bravo's doing standup now, and I always told him to do standup. Like, way back in the day, I'm like, "Dude, you're funny. You have funny fucking stories, man."

Brian Redban 8:56 I remember he tried it once, and he... Something happened. Like, he didn't have a good set, and then he stopped for a whi- uh, like...

Joe Rogan 9:01 He had a couple of rough sets. (laughs)

Brian Redban 9:03 Right. (laughs)

Narrator 9:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:04 But that was before he was teaching. When he started teaching, he di- he got very comfortable, like, addressing people, 'cause he was doing a lot of seminars. So he would fly in and explain jujitsu in seminars, and one of the things he would do was tell funny stories. So he'd tell funny stories while he is, like, teaching jujitsu. And, you know, he's like, "Dude, I'm killing in front of my class." (laughs)

Brian Redban 9:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:29 And I started laughing, and then he, then he started doing it ag- again. He gave ano- But it was, like, a nine-year break where he wasn't doing it. Like, uh, at least... Uh, maybe nine is wrong. But many years, I forget how many. But he's funny, man. I saw him at the Comedy Store, and he was doing The Tinfoil Hat Show with Sam Tripoli.

Brian Redban 9:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:49 I'm like, "Dude, he's fucking funny."

Brian Redban 9:51 Yeah, he-

Joe Rogan 9:51 He's got some funny-ass stories.

Brian Redban 9:52 He always had, he always had funny stories. I remember about, like, the cranberry juice. Like, he would give a girl cranberry juice or something like that 'cause she had a urinary tract in- Uh, anyways, like, all those stories he would always tell us-

Joe Rogan 10:02 Right.

Brian Redban 10:02 ... about the, like, like, dates he went on and stuff like that.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Oh, he had crazy stories.

Brian Redban 10:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:06 They're very funny. But he's just figured out how to do standup now. It's interesting to watch, you know? I, I had this guy that I worked for that was a private investigator, and he was one of the funniest guys I've ever met. His name was Dave Dolan. I don't know if you ever met him. He died a few years back, though.

Brian Redban 10:23 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 10:23 You might have met him one of the times we went back to, uh, Boston, 'cause I always saw him whenever I was in town. But he was my employee, my employer, when I was, uh, 21, when I was just starting to do standup. He needed a driver, so he put in an ad, uh, for a newspaper, uh, wanted a private investigator's assistant. And I was like, "Oh, that'd be a dope job to do while I'm doing standup. I'll be a private investigator's assistant." But it was really just, I had to drive him 'cause he lost his license from drinking and driving.

Brian Redban 10:54 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:54 Dude, he was hilarious. He was one of the funniest people I ever met. Working with him, I would come home to- and, uh, there was this girl I was dating, and we would have these conversations about it. I was like, "He's so funny, it's, like, confusing." I'm like, "Why aren't you doing comedy?" I'm like, "We were... I was crying laughing all day with this guy."

Brian Redban 11:15 Sometimes, it probably doesn't transfer well, though, you know? 'Cause it's-

Joe Rogan 11:18 He would've.

Brian Redban 11:19 You think?

Joe Rogan 11:19 100%. 100%. 100%. He could've 100% been a comedian. He didn't give a fuck, though. He didn't want to do it. He had his, uh... And he had an in. His cousin was the, one of the owners of The Comedy Connection, was Bill Downs. Bill Downs and Paul... Fuck, I forgot his last name. I can't. I got- we gotta edit that part out. Paul Barclay, I got it. I'll say it again. It was Bill Downs and Paul Barclay. They were the owners of The Comedy Connection. And my friend, Dave Dolan, was cousins with Bill Downs, so he had, like, an in. He could've gone to an open mic. He would've got up. He would've fucking killed.

Brian Redban 12:06 ... wonder why he didn't.

Joe Rogan 12:07 Didn't want to. He, like, genuine- ne- genuinely didn't give a fuck. That's one of the reasons why he was so funny. Like, the guy genuinely didn't give a fuck. He was just a really funny dude.

Brian Redban 12:19 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 12:21 He was just l- into having a good time. He said that's all he wanted to do, have a good time.

Brian Redban 12:26 I've s- w- you know, I've seen on Kill Tony before, people that have tried comedy for the first time, and they say, "You know, all my friends told me that I'm not just a funny guy." And, uh, we had one on recently, and it did not... was not funny-

Joe Rogan 12:40 (laughs)

Brian Redban 12:40 ... but, because, because i- he told it li- as if it was, like, a joke, like a street joke. You know? "So these two guys." You know? And it was like, "If you could just say what you said but made it, like, more real."

Joe Rogan 12:50 Right.

Brian Redban 12:51 You know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:51 That's the hard part.

Brian Redban 12:52 That's the hard part. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:53 Yeah. That's the hard part. This guy, uh, Dave, my friend, Dave, when he quit drinking, he stayed funny. And he quit, just quit like that. (snaps fingers)

Brian Redban 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:04 When I started working for him, he's like, "I gotta stop." He got, uh... he crashed his car under a bridge and then ran away from the car. (laughs)

Brian Redban 13:11 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 13:12 So he's under an underpass.

Brian Redban 13:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:14 And he was like, uh, like, "Th- that was fucking... that was the end of that one." He's like, "I had to let it go, bro." (laughs) But he just quit.

Brian Redban 13:21 I think I could easily do that. Simple, I think, because I think the older I get, n- now drinking, to me, the next day, I'm like, "Well, this day's ruined." You know?

Joe Rogan 13:30 Yeah.

Brian Redban 13:30 Like, my body does not snap back like it used to. And I think if anything, it's kind of like, "Yeah, why am I drinking? Just 'cause I'm at a show?"

Joe Rogan 13:38 Right.

Brian Redban 13:38 'Cause I feel like when I'm at a show, I... you know, before I go on stage or something, I have to have a drink or two. But at home, n- not really.

Joe Rogan 13:44 That's one of the great things about doing Sober October is that you realize you don't really need anything.

Brian Redban 13:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:50 Like, you don't need to have a drink. Just go have fun.

Brian Redban 13:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:54 Like, you can be completely sober and have a great time at a show. It's funny, but, like, alcohol and comedy, they're like... they go hand in hand. They're, they're... there's no other l- like, performance thing that goes better with alcohol than comedy.

Brian Redban 14:12 Yeah. 'Cause it loosens you up.

Joe Rogan 14:14 Yeah.

Brian Redban 14:14 You know?

Joe Rogan 14:14 And, and you're in a live setting, so it's exciting. There's all these other people laughing around you. You're getting a little tipsy.

Brian Redban 14:21 Is there anything else that will loosen you up? Maybe we just start eating turkey before we go on stage? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 14:27 That doesn't work. That's not real. That's not real. Um, d- do you... do you remember, um, that place in Toronto where the whole crowd was high?

Brian Redban 14:35 Yeah, Puff Mama's place. Uh-

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah.

Brian Redban 14:37 ... at the Underground.

Joe Rogan 14:38 Yeah.

Brian Redban 14:38 Comedy Underground or whatever.

Joe Rogan 14:39 So you (laughs) go on stage, and there's no air in the room. You're just breathing weed smoke, breathing in and breathing out weed smoke. I can't tell you how high you get in that room. It's cra- it's so ridiculous. They have bongs on people's tables.

Brian Redban 14:56 And they, they call it greening out. People, like, like-

Joe Rogan 14:58 Yeah.

Brian Redban 14:58 ... Doug Benson greened out. He passed out on... 'cause, 'cause of that. And Tony Hinchcliffe ran off stage and, uh, had to s- take off his shirt and sit outside-

Joe Rogan 15:07 (laughs)

Brian Redban 15:07 ... on the curb in the middle of winter.

Joe Rogan 15:11 (laughs)

Brian Redban 15:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:11 (laughs)

Brian Redban 15:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:13 That's the place where I did that video with The Iron Sheik.

Brian Redban 15:15 Oh, that's right.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Yeah, The Iron Sheik was in the crowd.

Brian Redban 15:18 That's crazy that he was there.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Yeah. That was fun. D- if, if you wanted to choose, though, between alcohol and a weed crowd... Oh, God.

Brian Redban 15:27 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 15:27 I'd kinda go with alcohol.

Brian Redban 15:28 Alcohol crowd. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:29 Alcohol crowd for the win, right?

Brian Redban 15:31 Yeah, 'cause the weed crowd would just be staring at you and getting lost, like they're n- like, thinking-

Joe Rogan 15:34 Getting super scared.

Brian Redban 15:35 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 "He's making jokes about me. Oh."

Brian Redban 15:39 Y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:40 (laughs)

Brian Redban 15:40 It... but the alcohol crowds suck too, especially bar alcohol crowds where-

Joe Rogan 15:45 Yeah.

Brian Redban 15:45 ... people are just rowdy and...

Joe Rogan 15:46 Yeah. Sometimes people get... they get out of hand. But that's just part of being a person.

Brian Redban 15:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 15:51 You know? People get out of hand. Some people just not that good with alcohol. It's weird that it's g- that's a genetic thing for some folks. You know, p- people of, uh, a- different ancestral origins, different, uh, parts of the world, it's interesting how they handle alcohol differently. Like, pe- (laughs) like, people from Russia can fucking handle some alcohol, right? Like, notorious for it. There's, like, r- certain... Irish can handle some fucking alcohol, right? But there's some, some ethnicities that have a difficult issue with it 'cause they don't have, like, a long history of exposure to it in their past.

Brian Redban 16:29 Yeah. It's also how much you s- like, when did you start? Like, Bert Kreischer, uh, I mean, that dude should be dead, you know?

Joe Rogan 16:36 Should be dead.

Brian Redban 16:36 And he just ha- has been drinking so long for s- so much every day-

Joe Rogan 16:41 Yeah.

Brian Redban 16:41 ... I think it's just like his body just, "Uh, I need this to survive." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:45 I wonder what's a good historical account of the effects of alcohol on Native American tribes. You know, I wonder if there... there must have been some documentation of that because it's w- I mean, I don't think it's wrong. I think it's one of those things that everybody kinda knows that when the settlers were making their way across the country and they introduced Native Americans to alcohol, they didn't have something like that before and they did not handle it well. And I always wonder, like, if that's a genetic thing. That is, right? Is that what they think? Like, your b- like, your ancestors had a history of drinking alcohol, so you're more predisposi- you're, you're more predisposed to be able to-

Brian Redban 17:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:25 ... handle it. Right?

Brian Redban 17:27 Right. And then that would make sense why a lot of people from the Midwest can drink more, you know-

Joe Rogan 17:31 Oh, my God.

Brian Redban 17:31 ... 'cause everyone has that Native American in them, right? 10%?

Joe Rogan 17:34 Bro, w- no, but I think it would be worse. No, the, the, the thing would be saying that if you had Native American, you, you don't have a history of alcohol.

Brian Redban 17:41 Oh, so you're saying the opposite of that?

Joe Rogan 17:43 The opposite of that.

Brian Redban 17:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 17:44 Like, it's... so, like, if you... like, whatever Shane Gillis is-

Brian Redban 17:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:47 ... there's no fucking way-

Brian Redban 17:48 Right. What is that?

Joe Rogan 17:49 ... he, his ancestors don't have a history of alcohol.

Brian Redban 17:52 Does he have Florida in him or anything? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:55 (laughs)

Brian Redban 17:55 Well, Milwaukee? Doesn't he p- have the Milwaukee-

Joe Rogan 17:57 Florida's almost its own country. Let's be real.

Brian Redban 18:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:00 If shit gets weird-

Brian Redban 18:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:02 ... Florida could be its own country.

Brian Redban 18:04 It's pretty crazy.

Joe Rogan 18:04 It would be like the wildest country. It'd just-

Narrator 18:06 It says-

Joe Rogan 18:06 ... be all Lynyrd Skynyrd songs.

Narrator 18:08 ... it says, "Little detailed genetic research has been done on this topic, but"-

Joe Rogan 18:11 Oh.

Narrator 18:12 ... "it has been shown that alcoholism tends to run in families with a possible involvement of differences in alcohol metabolism and the genotype of the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes."... I can't say those real fast, um, which may be more prevalent in Native Americans-

Joe Rogan 18:27 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 18:27 ... than other ethnic groups, which is why that has been-

Joe Rogan 18:30 Interesting.

Narrator 18:30 ... discussed that way-

Joe Rogan 18:31 Interesting.

Narrator 18:31 ... according to this.

Joe Rogan 18:32 But they, they're not sure that a propensity for alcoholism is transmitted, uh, genetically?

Narrator 18:40 Uh, so it, I mean, it says here even that there's a couple of myths about that, that, um, aren't proven. There is one of... If I scroll up on this article, it does show, like, there are a disproportionate number of deaths in alcoholism, but-

Joe Rogan 18:54 For Native Americans?

Narrator 18:54 ... there may be other... Yeah, there could be other reasons for that.

Joe Rogan 18:57 'Cause it's always been a stereotype, right?

Brian Redban 19:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yeah, it's always been a stereotype. You gotta always wonder where those come from, when it comes to that.

Brian Redban 19:08 I feel like I can handle my alcohol pretty well. At least I can drink it, you know. Uh, I, I could nonstop drink it all night and-

Joe Rogan 19:14 (laughs)

Brian Redban 19:14 ... and it never get to... And not get to the point where I'm, I'm sick or puking or anything like that.

Joe Rogan 19:19 Th- is that good? (laughs)

Brian Redban 19:21 No, it's not good. It's not good. But, uh, but, uh, I think it's because I just drink. M- you know, uh, my parents always put chili in the beer growing up, you know. Like, oh-

Joe Rogan 19:31 Chili in the beer?

Brian Redban 19:31 Or, I mean, beer in the chili. You know, like, w- anytime-

Joe Rogan 19:34 They did?

Brian Redban 19:34 Yeah. Like, as a kid, my dad would always go, "Hey, son, you want some beer in your chili?" And he'd take his old Milwaukee or whatever and just pour some in my-

Joe Rogan 19:41 What the fuck? (laughs)

Brian Redban 19:41 Yeah. That's, that was a, I think, Ohio thing. I, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 19:44 How old were you?

Brian Redban 19:44 Uh, uh, 10. I d-

Joe Rogan 19:46 Oh, my God. You were getting hammered at 10.

Narrator 19:48 Beer chili. I just typed that in.

Brian Redban 19:48 Best beer chili.

Narrator 19:49 Yeah, it's a thing.

Brian Redban 19:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:51 Oh.

Brian Redban 19:51 And it was literally the, the shitty... My dad drinks shitty beer and just poured-

Joe Rogan 19:55 (laughs)

Brian Redban 19:55 Poured it right in my chili.

Joe Rogan 19:57 Oh, no.

Brian Redban 19:57 And I always thought everybody did that.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Dude, some shitty beers are, are nice sometimes.

Brian Redban 20:01 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Brian Redban 20:02 Hell, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:02 That's nice sometimes.

Brian Redban 20:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:04 Sometimes that's what you want. It's cold. It's a very specific taste. It's like... Look, I get it if you're into, like, IPAs and those real wheaty beers and... Those are, those are interesting. I'll, I'll admit, they're interesting. But also, like, a fucking Pabst Blue Ribbon every now and then-

Brian Redban 20:22 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:22 ... cold, you know?

Brian Redban 20:23 Hell, yeah. I wish we had one right now, just a shitty-

Joe Rogan 20:25 Yeah.

Brian Redban 20:25 ... cheap beer.

Joe Rogan 20:26 Maybe you're eating crabs.

Brian Redban 20:27 Frosted glass. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:28 Eating crabs or something like that, a nice cold Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Brian Redban 20:31 Hell, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:32 That would hit the fucking spot.

Brian Redban 20:33 I don't really drink beer anymore. I-

Joe Rogan 20:35 No?

Brian Redban 20:36 Do you still drink beer? I, I stopped drinking.

Joe Rogan 20:37 I do occasionally. Uh, but, you know, I, I've try- I'm trying to avoid as many things that are like... that have wheat in them.

Brian Redban 20:46 Gluten stuff.

Joe Rogan 20:47 I just don't think my body reacts to that stuff very well. It's such a, it's a big slowdown in my system when I eat bread or when I eat pasta. And I still love it. I fucking love it all. I love pizza. I love it. But my body does not react well to it.

Brian Redban 21:05 Have you got a gluten test before? Have you checked?

Joe Rogan 21:07 No. No, I'm just going by my own... just how it feels for me. I think everybody's fucking different, you know, and I think this one-size-fits-all approach to what you eat is crazy. For me, it seems like my, my body feels at its best when I eat mostly meat and fruit. So that's what I eat.

Brian Redban 21:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:26 I don't fuck around. 'Cause when I do fuck around, I always feel like shit.

Brian Redban 21:30 I agree with that. Meat, meat is, uh, uh, mostly what I eat, but I eat burgers, you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs)

Brian Redban 21:37 I'm addicted to burgers but, uh-

Joe Rogan 21:39 But you get them on the bun.

Brian Redban 21:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:41 That's the problem.

Brian Redban 21:41 I-

Joe Rogan 21:41 They're more delicious on the bun.

Brian Redban 21:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:43 It's more delicious.

Brian Redban 21:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:45 An In & Out with a lettuce wrap is pretty fucking good.

Brian Redban 21:47 That is good.

Joe Rogan 21:48 But-

Brian Redban 21:48 You have to get the double though.

Joe Rogan 21:49 ... it's not as good as with the bun.

Brian Redban 21:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:51 The bun makes it better. The whole thing makes it... It makes it better. There's a, there's a... Also, there's like, "I'm eating bread, yeah."

Brian Redban 22:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 22:01 Yom, yom, yom. Bread used to just be food. When the fuck did bread become bad for you?

Brian Redban 22:05 It's evil shit.

Joe Rogan 22:07 You know, there's the conspiracy theory, um, that it's glyphosate that's fucking people up, that it's not, um... C- what... See wh- what that is all about, 'cause I've heard people talk about that.

Brian Redban 22:21 What is it? Like, uh-

Joe Rogan 22:22 Like, r- I think Robert Kennedy Jr was talking about that. He was talking about glyphosate. Glyphosate is Roundup. Roundup is that stuff that they spray-

Brian Redban 22:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Yeah.

Brian Redban 22:32 No, sh- that can't be true.

Joe Rogan 22:33 The stuff's super, super bad for you, right?

Brian Redban 22:35 There's no way there's Roundup in- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 22:37 But they get, but hold on. If they use it on these plants, where does it go? How... Do they wash it off? Like, what kind of residual effect does that stuff have-

Brian Redban 22:48 Sure.

Joe Rogan 22:48 ... on the food you eat?

Brian Redban 22:51 Or plastics.

Joe Rogan 22:51 Could you imagine if that was what was going on, and that's why, like, European people don't look like us?

Brian Redban 22:57 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:58 More than half the products tech- Whoa, shit.

Brian Redban 23:01 Wow.

Joe Rogan 23:01 More than half the products tested had detectable levels of glyphosate above 10 parts per billion, 45 out of 86 products contained detectable levels of glyphosate. Ranges were from 12 parts per billion to 1,150 parts per billion. Organic foods are much less likely to have trace amounts of glyphosate. However, it is appearing in low levels in some cases.

Narrator 23:26 Perfect timing.

Brian Redban 23:27 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Damn, they, they got you perfect. That was nice, the-

Narrator 23:30 It's weird, like, half the time.

Joe Rogan 23:31 ... the pop-up was-

Brian Redban 23:32 Sometimes.

Joe Rogan 23:32 The timed pop-ups.

Brian Redban 23:34 Fucking-

Joe Rogan 23:35 Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So there's glyphosate in foods. It gets trace amounts of glyphosate.

Brian Redban 23:41 Yeah. That's insane.

Narrator 23:42 Title of the article.

Joe Rogan 23:42 Glyphosate in popular bread, oats, legumes, protein powders, and bars, 2022. Holy shit.

Brian Redban 23:49 That's everything you have. (laughs) Or you s- you know, you have the protein powders so that was... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:53 Dude. All that stuff.

Brian Redban 23:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:55 How wild is that? 'Cause it's like, it's a really common chemical that's used and it's really bad for you. And if that's it, it... I mean, that... I don't, I don't know. I mean, is there a kind of organic wheat that you know is 100% glyphosate-free? And if you ate that, would you feel different?

Brian Redban 24:16 I bet there is. I bet.

Joe Rogan 24:17 And, or is these... are these trace amounts of glyphosate that aren't really affecting you? Like, I wish I knew.... I mean, like, what, it sounds scary when they're talking about parts per billion, but I wish, like, a, a scientist would go, "Ah, it's, uh, not a lot."

Brian Redban 24:32 Right. It's like those microplastics. When I start reading about microplastics and stuff like that, I start freaking out and-

Joe Rogan 24:37 Do you know how much we eat every week?

Brian Redban 24:39 Yeah, it's nuts. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:40 It's a credit card.

Brian Redban 24:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 We eat a credit card.

Brian Redban 24:43 It's craziness.

Narrator 24:44 I wish I could remember where I... (clears throat) I read someone said that it's not a misinterpretation, but that's, like, the highest end it could be as a credit card. I think when they brought in the-

Joe Rogan 24:54 So, like, somebody who eats microwave-

Narrator 24:55 And they even, like, they... The way they got that number was, like, studying clams or something like that, and then did, uh, a next, uh, a math problem, I can't think of the word right now, to figure out what it would be like in humans if it was the same size.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Oh.

Narrator 25:08 That's how they got that number.

Joe Rogan 25:09 So, there's a little fuckery involved.

Narrator 25:10 There's a li- a little. But I don't know if I fucking-

Brian Redban 25:13 All of it. I mean-

Joe Rogan 25:13 A wee...

Brian Redban 25:13 But there is some, so I kinda... I don't wanna say it's-

Joe Rogan 25:14 A wee bit of fuckery.

Narrator 25:15 It's, it's not untrue, but it seemed like there was a little bit of a, like, uh...

Brian Redban 25:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:18 Okay. It's-

Narrator 25:19 Well, credit card seems like a lot. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:21 Seems like a whole lot.

Brian Redban 25:21 And how much stays in your body and how much do you shit out?

Joe Rogan 25:25 Right. I bet you'd shit a lot of it out.

Brian Redban 25:28 I'd, what, like, 99.9% probably.

Joe Rogan 25:32 But what if you don't?

Brian Redban 25:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:34 You don't? Plastics and stuff in your body, like, urgh.

Narrator 25:38 See, here's, like, the article, but, like, for... Weirdly, it starts off saying, "Globally, we are ingesting an average of five grams." So, it's an average too. And that we're just globally-

Joe Rogan 25:50 Right, globally, like, maybe some parts of the world are higher.

Brian Redban 25:53 Yeah, like us. (laughs)

Narrator 25:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:54 I think we'd be pretty high.

Brian Redban 25:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:56 If you're getting it from, like, microwaving food with plastic on it, we gotta be high as fuck.

Brian Redban 26:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:00 We, we've been doing that for a long time.

Brian Redban 26:03 And plastic forks and those little-

Joe Rogan 26:05 Yeah.

Brian Redban 26:05 ... plastic containers your food comes in-

Joe Rogan 26:07 Yeah.

Brian Redban 26:07 ... the to-go boxes.

Joe Rogan 26:08 There's always, like, little b- pieces of plastic somewhere, I guarantee you, y-

Narrator 26:11 Even this article says it's just Australians. It says Australians ingest their credit card, not everyone.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Oh.

Narrator 26:16 So, I don't know, you know.

Joe Rogan 26:17 But is that an article from Australia?

Narrator 26:18 Well, uh, an Australian analysis says that. So-

Joe Rogan 26:21 Hmm. Interesting.

Brian Redban 26:22 Can you really trust those Australian analysis's?

Joe Rogan 26:25 Can't anymore.

Narrator 26:28 (laughs)

Brian Redban 26:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:29 (laughs) Yeah, I, uh, I'm worried though. W- I'm worried also because I had that Dr. Shanna Swan lady on the podcast who talked about, uh, what plastics and these chemicals like phthalates are doing to the reproductive systems of people. Did, did you ever hear about that?

Brian Redban 26:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:48 Do you know what this lead-

Brian Redban 26:49 Uh, I think I heard about it from-

Joe Rogan 26:51 She's got this book called Countdown, and it's all about what, um, plastics are doing to people's reproductive systems.

Brian Redban 26:58 Right. Yeah, my girlfriend ha- is obsessed with that, all that shit, and she thinks we're, we're dying from it.

Joe Rogan 27:04 Well, we're changing.

Brian Redban 27:05 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:05 We're changing. This is the... The problem is it's me-... It's dropped men's sperm counts 50% lower than they were in, like, the 1950s. Um, women have more miscarriages, and men's taints are shrinking.

Brian Redban 27:21 G- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:21 That's-

Brian Redban 27:22 That's a good thing.

Joe Rogan 27:22 No, no, no.

Brian Redban 27:25 (laughs)

Narrator 27:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:25 (laughs)

Brian Redban 27:25 I want my asshole right next to my dick. (laughs)

Narrator 27:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:29 (laughs)

Narrator 27:29 (laughs)

Brian Redban 27:30 Masterbating, you just put your finger-

Joe Rogan 27:31 (laughs)

Brian Redban 27:31 ... in there the whole t- you know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:33 (laughs)

Brian Redban 27:34 Be it, like, pick it up like a bowling ball.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Um, that's bad because the closer the taints are, it's the more feminizing of the male. This is what it is like in mammals, and I'll probably fuck this up, my apologies in advance. In mammals, male taints are between 50% and 100% larger than the females. So, that's one of the best ways that they detect whether or not an, a mammal, like a, like a puppy, is a boy or a girl, is the taint is bigger. But in men, uh, over the last X amount of years, they've been shrinking. And they've been shrinking-

Brian Redban 28:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:11 ... steadily, which is an indication... Oh, penis sizes are shrinking, testicles are shrinking, sperm counts dropping, like, 50% lower, and at the same time, this is the introduction of petrochemical products, like plastics and stuff like that, and the eating out of plastic bottles, and, uh, drinking out of plastic bottles, eating out of plastic plates. Like, uh, all this stuff is entered into the bloodstreams and they've found in studies in mammals that when they introduce these phthalates to mammals, their offspring are affected, the reproductive systems are affected. Wild shit, dude, because it's like we're, the... We're doing something weird to the human organism, and we're doing it through plastics, and we're just now finding out about it. Like, we're only finding out about this f- over the la-... I think we talked about this, but I always forget. I wanna say it was, like, 2015, right? It was not that long ago that they s- they discovered this.

Brian Redban 29:08 Nuts.

Joe Rogan 29:08 So, she wrote this whole book about it, and she's a really funny lady too. She's got, like, a thing on her Instagram called The Jizz Quiz.

Brian Redban 29:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:15 (laughs) And it's all about, you know, like, a quiz on, like, how much men's sperm counts have dropped over the last 50 years, and it's like, "Whew."

Brian Redban 29:25 It's so weird.

Joe Rogan 29:26 It's wild 'cause it's just we're w- w- we're... It's unavoidable. Like, we're just accustomed k- to consuming a certain amount of plastics and having plastic chemicals in our body.

Brian Redban 29:40 How's the connection of that, though? N- is it, it, could it be something else, like, you know-

Joe Rogan 29:44 Th- they're really sure that phthalates do that.

Brian Redban 29:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 29:47 And phthalates are some of the chemicals that you get from, like, you know, plastics, and I think some pesticides affect the body in a similar way. There's, like, a lot of shit that we encounter that fucks with reproductive systems. And so, when they did it w- with animal studies, when they did it, they show-... It showed that the males, um, all came out, like, m- more feminine and with smaller taints and the, the whole deal. And it's all about how many, uh... You know, what, what kind, what kind of chemicals the mother has in her body when she conceives. It's wild stuff, man, because it's... Like, the implications are if we don't stop using them, then we're, we're g- gonna change the species.... over plastic. Like, it'll change what it means to be a male human. 'Cause it won't be like a male human used to be before plastics. It's crazy. If that really ... I- imagine if it's, like, unavoidable. You can't get it out of, of humans and it's just gonna keep feminizing males and, and turning their taints into smaller and smaller little patches of land.

Brian Redban 30:54 Well then, finally, we, we, it doesn't matter, you know? We could have guys and girls play the same sports together.

Narrator 31:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:00 (laughs)

Brian Redban 31:00 Right? (laughs)

Narrator 31:01 One day.

Joe Rogan 31:01 One day.

Brian Redban 31:02 One day. (laughs)

Narrator 31:03 One day. (laughs)

Brian Redban 31:03 Maybe that's where we're headed.

Narrator 31:04 Yeah. Maybe it's already started.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Well, maybe that's what this, uh, obsession with gender thing is about. Maybe this is all, like, a natural process that turns us into the, that look, that alien look. You know? With genderless-

Narrator 31:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:16 ... big giant heads and spindly bodies and you can read minds. I bet, I bet that's exactly what's happening. I know that sounds stupid, I really do. I know it sounds stupid. But, but maybe that's what's happening. Could you imagine if that's really what the fucking deal is?

Brian Redban 31:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:35 That it's just, this is how the animal evolves. Like, the only way we're gonna get past, like, all the horrible things we do, like war and m- murder and rape and torture and s- and thievery and d- deception, all the things that humans do that's awful, it's all tied to these monkey instincts we have. It's all tied to being a, a, an a- an ancient primate species that has evolved to this point. The things that are holding us back are all these biological needs. You know, the need for food, the, the greed, and, and, and f- uh, fucking envy, and, you know, rage, and all the ... Those are all emotions. If we could just rid of those, that would be nice. Now, when s- when you see super genius people that are not very emotional, what if that is, like, a move towards a new kind of human being? What if all this stuff is a move towards a new type of ... And then while this is all happening, they inject technology into your body. There's a neural link or something along those lines, and you can fucking move things with your mind now. Uh, you don't even need arms. That's probably where we're going. It's probably not that far away either, like, 100 years, 200 years.

Brian Redban 32:51 I'm more concerned about that artificial intelligence, that Google guy that quit, uh, or got fired. Have you heard about this? He-

Joe Rogan 32:58 Yes.

Brian Redban 32:58 Oh, you already talked about it.

Joe Rogan 32:59 Yes.

Brian Redban 32:59 You said it probably. (laughs)

Narrator 33:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:00 No, yeah. No, I talked about it with a guy who understands these things yesterday.

Brian Redban 33:04 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 33:04 Marc Andreessen. And, um, it's really interesting 'cause I'm too dumb to really know. I'm, I'm, you know, not very informed about, like, how these things work, what these programs were. But what he was saying that made a lot of sense, he goes, "This thing is using Google and it's, it's literally using, like, all of the interactions with human beings. And it knows responses to, like, a fucking insane number of questions. So it can use this program to communicate with you. And if you ask it to convince you that it's alive, it can figure out how to get the words together. But if you asked it to convince you that it's not alive, it would also figure out a way to form that."

Brian Redban 33:52 But that alone is, like, what a, a human could do. Could either, you know, act, or ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:56 Right. That's the problem. The problem is I think we're waiting for, like, an energy that propels it, like a s- like, a soul. Right?

Brian Redban 34:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:04 'Cause if it already has all of ... What are ... Like, most people's lives, you're interacting with people, you're learning from these interactions, you read about things that inspire you to be better, maybe you watch a documentary about someone that's really, really cool and inspires you to be better, and you're learning about what it means to be a person. Well, if they can just do that and just download it off the internet instantaneously and become infinitely smarter than you'll ever be, the only thing that's missing is, like, a soul. Like, a thing that makes them act.

Brian Redban 34:37 That's why we're- they're gonna find out mixing technology with that and, like, a frog or something that has a soul. Something that's stupid, like, you know ... Well, that frog probably has a soul.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yeah.

Brian Redban 34:47 But we can use that soul, upgrade the soul, put it into a robot.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Oh my God. Imagine if they start extracting souls.

Narrator 34:54 (laughs)

Brian Redban 34:54 Yeah, from frogs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:56 From fro- Look at this. Google engineer Bli- Blake ... How do you say that?

Brian Redban 35:01 Le- LeMoyne?

Joe Rogan 35:02 LeMoyne? LeMoyne is a priest and Christian mystic. Well, now I believe him more.

Narrator 35:08 (laughs)

Brian Redban 35:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:09 "All of his claims about sentience, personhood, and rights," Blake Lemoine wrote on Twitter on Saturday, "are rooted in re- religious convictions as a priest." His arguments therefore pre-theoretic, he says. Are for ... Uh, in b- in a previous Medium post about the question of religious discrimination at Google, LeMoyne describes himself as a Christian mystic.

Narrator 35:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:36 He, he also notes his sincerely held religious beliefs in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. That sounds like a guy who's done mushrooms. Right?

Narrator 35:46 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:47 That's what it sounds like. Probably has. Probably micro-doses. Why doesn't it work?

Narrator 35:51 Definitely.

Joe Rogan 35:51 He's a Christian mysticism as a sense of some form of contact with the divine or transcendent. The union with God is not so much a doctrine as a method of thought. Okay. Why is that so weird? I mean, that's just as weird as all of the relig- that's just as weird as being a Mormon.

Narrator 36:10 I-

Joe Rogan 36:10 I don't give a fuck.

Narrator 36:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 Whatever ha- makes you happy.

Narrator 36:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 36:13 You know? But if he's right, he's working with ... What does it say? (laughs) Jamie, Jamie keeps coming up with the facts.

Narrator 36:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:21 He became ordained as a Christian mystic, a Christian priest, and served in the US Army before studying the occult, and is an outlier at Google for being religious, from the South, and standing up for psychology...... as a respectable science. What does that mean?

Narrator 36:42 That, that was according to the Washington Post's write-up about him.

Joe Rogan 36:46 He, uh... But what does that mean? What does that mean for standing up for psychology as a respectable science? What does that have to do with anything?

Narrator 36:54 I think it's saying he's, he's, uh, labeled an outlier at Google for that reason, which is in quotes, and that might be what he said. I don't, it's not saying who said that quote.

Joe Rogan 37:02 But isn't it a weird quote? Like, because, uh, they're saying he's an outlier, but then they're... Look at, listen to the quote. "For being religious, from the South, and standing up for psychology as a respectable science."

Narrator 37:12 Yeah, what's that even mean?

Joe Rogan 37:13 What does that mean? What, what does that have to do with him coming out about AI? Does that have anything to do with it?

Brian Redban 37:20 They're attacking his beliefs.

Joe Rogan 37:22 But it's a weird bel-

Brian Redban 37:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:24 Well, I guess they're saying that someone... So, so that's his quotes. That's what they're saying.

Narrator 37:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:29 That he was saying, that he was standing up for psychology as a respectable science. But what the fuck does that have to do with AI? Am I missing something? "It was in his capacity as a priest, therefore not a scientist, that he concluded that L-A-M-D-A-"

Narrator 37:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 37:47 "... was a sentient being." He said, "'I know a person when I talk to it,'" uh, Lemoine told The Post. "It doesn't matter whether they have a brain made of meat in their head or if they have a billion lines of code. I talk to them, and I hear what they have to say, and that is how I decide what is and isn't a person." Oh, my God. Okay.

Brian Redban 38:04 So yeah, he's just a religious nut that thinks i- it's alive. You know, he got tricked (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 38:10 Yeah, but, but what does it mean to be alive, right? We, we have so much value we place on something being alive.

Brian Redban 38:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:21 Isn't that interesting? I mean, it's fucking interesting.

Brian Redban 38:24 It's the soul thing, though. Like, like, it, it-

Joe Rogan 38:27 Yeah.

Brian Redban 38:27 ... has to...

Joe Rogan 38:27 The soul thing is wild.

Brian Redban 38:29 And if you think about it, does that... I think any living creature, bugs, mice, rats-

Joe Rogan 38:34 Yeah.

Brian Redban 38:34 ... frogs, all have souls. So-

Joe Rogan 38:37 Do they think that, though? Like, does it... Like, when people are really n- nutty with the soul thing, do they think crickets have souls?

Brian Redban 38:44 I think so. I think any living thing has a soul, even trees.

Joe Rogan 38:46 Do you kill crickets?

Brian Redban 38:48 I don't try to, but I don't give a shit if I do.

Joe Rogan 38:51 I always try not to kill 'em.

Brian Redban 38:52 Crickets?

Joe Rogan 38:53 That's the only bug that's in my house that doesn't get whooped. Right? If you catch a roach in your house, he's dead, right?

Brian Redban 38:59 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:59 100%.

Brian Redban 39:00 Yeah. Whereas-

Joe Rogan 39:00 Spider, most likely dead, I've been bitten by spiders.

Brian Redban 39:03 Flies. Fuck flies.

Joe Rogan 39:04 Fuck flies.

Narrator 39:04 Fuck off, flies.

Brian Redban 39:04 Hate all flies.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Flies can eat shit, right?

Narrator 39:06 Ants.

Joe Rogan 39:06 They all die.

Brian Redban 39:07 Yeah, fucking ants die.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Ants die.

Narrator 39:08 Die.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Ev- everybody dies. But crickets, you gotta catch 'em and throw 'em outside.

Narrator 39:12 Why?

Joe Rogan 39:13 I don't know, man.

Brian Redban 39:13 That is kinda weird.

Narrator 39:15 (laughs) Why?

Joe Rogan 39:15 I don't know, man. Don't you feel, feel like that, though?

Narrator 39:17 I don't know. I don't know why a crick...

Brian Redban 39:18 Like-

Joe Rogan 39:19 I have no animosity towards crickets.

Narrator 39:21 Locust?

Joe Rogan 39:22 I feel bad for them. I wanna get 'em outside.

Brian Redban 39:24 That's how I feel about those little June bugs or whatever. I feel like they're special-need bugs, 'cause they're always, like, flying around and, like, falling on the ground.

Joe Rogan 39:30 (laughs)

Narrator 39:30 What about the little clear ones that are creepy as-

Brian Redban 39:32 Ugh.

Narrator 39:32 ... all hell?

Joe Rogan 39:32 I think there's bugs-

Narrator 39:33 I don't like those.

Joe Rogan 39:33 ... that choose to be invaders. And then there's bugs that, like, accidentally get in your house. And a cricket kinda accidentally gets in your house.

Brian Redban 39:40 Grasshoppers too?

Joe Rogan 39:42 Yeah, they accidentally get-

Narrator 39:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:43 ... in your house. I, I let them go too.

Narrator 39:45 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:45 But the ones that, like, are trying to live in your house can eat shit. Fuck off.

Narrator 39:49 Like, crickets are like food for lizards and chameleon. You know, you know what I mean? Like...

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't, that's how their life is.

Narrator 39:58 They're everywhere.

Joe Rogan 39:58 Yeah, I don't want them to go everywhere. The thing about, like, grasshoppers. This is one of the things I found out when, uh, we were, I was r- reading about locusts. Do you know grasshoppers and locusts are like kind of the same thing, and that a locust is like a transition? Like, the, the grasshopper will become a locust when... It's like a thing, I think it's a population thing with a temperature thing.

Narrator 40:20 Yeah, I was just thinking, it's like when, uh, if you let a fer- a hog out, becomes feral, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 40:23 Is that what it is?

Narrator 40:24 It's probably not exactly the same thing, no, but I'm s- it's kinda like it.

Joe Rogan 40:28 See, what it says is like, "What makes-"

Narrator 40:29 Then again, same type of question.

Joe Rogan 40:30 "... um, a grasshopper become a locust."

Narrator 40:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:33 Because there's a thing that happens and that they, they kind of transform. I hope I'm not fucking this up, but I'm pretty sure that, like, those old, uh, you know, Little House on the Prairie days when they have, like, locust storms?

Narrator 40:47 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 40:47 I think those are just grasshoppers.

Narrator 40:48 Really?

Joe Rogan 40:49 Yeah. I just think they, that something happens to them.

Narrator 40:52 Locust are grasshoppers-

Joe Rogan 40:54 Aha!

Narrator 40:54 ... that develop gregarious characteristics.

Joe Rogan 40:59 Gregarious? What does that mean?

Narrator 41:01 Um, it doesn't... I can define that word real quick (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:07 (laughs) Gregarious sounds like, uh, like polite conversation.

Narrator 41:10 No, that's a different question.

Joe Rogan 41:10 What is that word?

Narrator 41:11 He's gregarious.

Joe Rogan 41:13 Right? Doesn't it sound like?

Narrator 41:14 Yeah (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 41:14 Oh, he's gregarious in conversation.

Narrator 41:16 I wanna say like sociable?

Joe Rogan 41:18 Yeah, fond of company.

Narrator 41:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Sociable.

Narrator 41:20 Living in flocks.

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah.

Brian Redban 41:21 So, it's just like-

Joe Rogan 41:22 So that's what it sounds like.

Brian Redban 41:23 ... a grasshopper that talks a lot?

Joe Rogan 41:24 So, so they're real social. Locust are grasshoppers that are developing social characteristics?

Narrator 41:30 They morph into locusts, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:32 Okay. So, uh, "Often they thrive in environmental conditions that allow them to form into organized groups, and these conditions include thick vegetation growth after droughts. In such conditions, locusts reproduce at a fast rate and move into large swarms while making stops at any patch of greenery they'll come across. Since they cover long distances in a short time, locusts often cause extensive damage to crops." Oh, wow.

Narrator 41:58 Yeah, no, grasshoppers rarely group up like that, or swarm.

Joe Rogan 42:02 So when they group up like that, that's when they get crazy.

Narrator 42:05 Change color.

Joe Rogan 42:06 Wow.

Narrator 42:07 It's weird.

Joe Rogan 42:08 They change color.

Narrator 42:11 A solid blue.

Joe Rogan 42:12 It says, "These insects, uh, typically come in a dark yellow, brown, or green, but their color pattern, uh, can change when they enter the migratory or swarming phase. Adult locust are distinguished from females by the shape of the abdomens. In male locust, the tip of the abdomen is rounded because of the sub gene- genital plate that conceals the reproductive organs. In females, the tip of the ab-" What color do they become? They just-

Narrator 42:40 Uh, dark yellow. Well, they're all colors.

Joe Rogan 42:42 It says that...... but they change when they, eh, enter into the swarming phase.

Narrator 42:49 So, the solitary female, which I'd imagine would be a grasshopper, could lay 180 eggs, while the gregarious one only does 80.

Joe Rogan 42:57 Huh.

Brian Redban 42:59 And it happens from their serotonin.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Whoa. "Just like grasshoppers, locusts are herbivores. Therefore, they cause severe crop damage when they invade a field of crop. Locusts tend to move in large groups to fly over long distances during their gregarious phase. Insect physiologists established that serotonin, a brain chemical, transforms solitary locusts into swarming insects." So, it really, it's like they get h- they get happy, they get a little happy drug-

Narrator 43:29 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:30 ... and they go into a swarming phase. It makes you wonder what we're doing giving people all these kind of wacky brain chemicals.

Narrator 43:38 Yeah. Ooh.

Joe Rogan 43:39 Experimenting with, like, what makes you feel better. What makes you feel better, Brian? Does this make you feel better, Brian? Try this one. That one makes you feel sad?

Brian Redban 43:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:47 Try this one. That one makes me feel great. Everything is great. It's great. Oh, we got it. I think we got the one. I think we got the right misc- mixture for you. (exhales)

Narrator 43:58 Fuck that. Non-spoiler alert. Watch Spiderhead, if that sounds interesting to you.

Joe Rogan 44:03 What is Spiderhead?

Narrator 44:04 Spiderhead, the new movie on Netflix.

Joe Rogan 44:05 Yeah? Who's in it?

Narrator 44:06 Um, Thor and Miles Teller-

Joe Rogan 44:08 Oh, he's always gonna be Thor.

Narrator 44:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:10 Forever.

Brian Redban 44:11 Oh, God. Have you seen the preview for the new Thor movie?

Joe Rogan 44:14 No.

Brian Redban 44:14 It's like, him and a woman. It's like, W- Lady Thor.

Joe Rogan 44:18 Why are you s- why are you mad at Lady Thor? Is it because it's the Lady Thor?

Brian Redban 44:20 It's just, it just seemed really cheesy. But you, well, you know what was amazing? This is what I wanted to tell you. I got to see Avatar 2 trailer in 3D, and it's coming out in December. But have you seen the trailer for Avatar yet?

Joe Rogan 44:31 I don't think I have. No.

Brian Redban 44:33 (laughs) It looks so awesome.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Yeah? Let's see it.

Brian Redban 44:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Let's watch the trailer for Avatar.

Brian Redban 44:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:37 I'm, this, I've been excited about this. That, I mean-

Brian Redban 44:40 For years.

Joe Rogan 44:41 ... Avatar 1 was a m- That was amazing movie. And it's ju- It was so visually stunning.

Brian Redban 44:47 Yeah. The 3D-

Joe Rogan 44:47 There was so much going on with it.

Brian Redban 44:49 The 3D was insane on it. Uh, and I got to see it in XD. Have you done one of those theaters where the, the whole chair moves and f- flies around and stuff?

Joe Rogan 44:57 What if you're holding a drink?

Brian Redban 44:58 I- H- Yeah, y- you just gotta deal with that.

Joe Rogan 45:01 Gotta put your drink down.

Brian Redban 45:02 (laughs) It's kind of scary, though. Like, there's a, like, jump scares. You're like, "Oh my God." Like, 'cause it, it feels like somebody just pounded on the, on your back.

Joe Rogan 45:09 Oh, wow.

Brian Redban 45:09 It's almost too much.

Joe Rogan 45:11 No, I've never been to one of those.

Narrator 45:12 (eerie music) Highly recommended. Wow, it's different when you don't see it in 3D though, huh? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:23 Still looks dope. You ever do that ride at Disneyland, or Disney World rather?

Narrator 45:29 Uh, no. I haven't been back to Disney-

Joe Rogan 45:31 Dude.

Narrator 45:31 ... in a long time.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Disney World has two Avatar rides. One of them is called Flights of Passage.

Narrator 45:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:39 And it's a HD thing that you put on these goggles and you sit on a motorcycle-looking thing.

Narrator 45:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:43 And it's, it's one of these dragons. It looks like a motorcycle. And then the, the goggles pop on and then, shoop, and it brings you into this virtual reality world where you're flying on a fucking dragon-

Narrator 45:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 ... in the Avatar world. It's amazing. I mean, it's fucking amazing.

Narrator 46:02 Yeah, I can't wait. It's been a long time. This movie's been in the works, what, for like 10 years or something?

Joe Rogan 46:09 Dude, this movie was so good it made gigantic blue ladies with huge cat eyes hot. (laughs)

Narrator 46:15 Yeah. Yeah, I've watched a few, few of those fake porn too with the Avatar girl on it.

Joe Rogan 46:19 Oh, they must have those. I knew it.

Narrator 46:21 Oh, yeah, they do. I've seen it.

Joe Rogan 46:22 I knew it.

Narrator 46:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:24 This looks wild.

Narrator 46:25 This family...

46:26 This came out, like, when the podcast started.

Brian Redban 46:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:29 Yeah.

Narrator 46:30 Christmas of 2009.

Joe Rogan 46:31 Yeah, this is... So, I think they filmed a bunch of them back to back, right?

Narrator 46:35 Yeah. I think there's two at least.

46:37 ... fortress.

Joe Rogan 46:39 God damn, this looks good.

Brian Redban 46:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:45 Isn't it interesting how it's like, every now and then, like with that movie, someone can create something that i- like, as, as a movie is so visually stunning and so unique that, oh, like, you could have 100 movies branch off of Avatar. Just like Star Wars. 'Cause like, how many Star Wars movies have there been? L- It's a fucking shitload now, right? You could 100% do that, because Avatar is like such a, it's such an iconic, like, feeling you get when you're watching that movie. If you try to watch it again, you're like, "Wow. This movie is fucking great." When, when they're in the jungle and he almost gets jacked by that giant rhino-looking thing.

Narrator 47:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:26 There's so many moments in that movie. And yeah, it's like the Pocahontas story.

Brian Redban 47:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:30 It is the Po- It's basically, right? Isn't it like...

Brian Redban 47:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:33 There's a few of those movies that have the same kind of theme.

Brian Redban 47:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:37 It was Pocahontas, there was another one. It was like... What did they compare it to?

Narrator 47:40 FernGully.

Joe Rogan 47:41 FernGully.

Brian Redban 47:42 FernGully, yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:42 Yeah. But they did compare it to Pocahontas, right?

Narrator 47:44 I think it is.

Brian Redban 47:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:47 It's, um, yeah. I mean, it's a classic movie. It's fucking Dances with Wolves. He becomes a Native American, remember?

Brian Redban 47:55 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 47:56 (laughs)

Brian Redban 47:56 It's a great movie too.

Joe Rogan 47:57 That's a fucking great movie. Come on, son. You ever watch, uh, Yellowstone?

Brian Redban 48:02 No. What's that?

Joe Rogan 48:04 That's the Kevin Costner, uh, TV show.

Brian Redban 48:07 Oh.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Where he's got a ranch in Montana.

Brian Redban 48:09 Yellowstone.

Joe Rogan 48:10 It's fucking great.

Brian Redban 48:12 Really?

Joe Rogan 48:12 It's great. I'm on season three.

Brian Redban 48:15 Oh, it's out right now?

Joe Rogan 48:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brian Redban 48:17 Kevin Costner?

Joe Rogan 48:18 Schultz... Yeah.

Brian Redban 48:18 Wow.

Joe Rogan 48:19 Schulz gave it the recommendation. I was like, "Okay. All right. I, I trust you." Solid.

Brian Redban 48:25 Huh.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Good show.

Brian Redban 48:26 Did you ever watch the new Dexter?

Joe Rogan 48:27 I did not.

Brian Redban 48:28 Oh, you should. You should watch that.

Joe Rogan 48:30 Is it good?

Brian Redban 48:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Yeah?

Brian Redban 48:31 You wouldn't think it would be, but it is.

Joe Rogan 48:34 Did he get jacked again? 'Cause he got a little skinny for a while.

Brian Redban 48:37 He, yeah, he's, he looks normal-ish. Uh, it's very different. I don't want to give anything away but it's, uh... It actually worked, I thought.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Yeah?

Brian Redban 48:46 Yeah.Yeah, that's a good one.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Probably not a good show for today, give people ideas.

Brian Redban 48:53 (laughs) Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 48:55 (laughs) You know, we were having this conversation yesterday about, like, what contributes to a person doing bad things. Like, what, what contributes to mass shootings? What contributes to gun violence? What contributes to all that, other than criminals and guns? Like, what contributes? Does video games play a part?

Brian Redban 49:16 I don't wanna say yes, but, hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:18 Okay. Do-

Brian Redban 49:19 Let's just wink at each other.

Joe Rogan 49:20 Violent movies play a part?

Brian Redban 49:21 Uh, anything that glamor-fies, uh, shooting-

Joe Rogan 49:24 Glamor-fies? (laughs)

Brian Redban 49:26 Glamor-fies. Anything that glamor-fies the s... I mean-

Joe Rogan 49:28 Yeah.

Brian Redban 49:28 I think, I think kids, at least, you know, I hate to say it, but games, come on, all the games are about shooting and fu- having guns and how fun they are.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Mm-hmm. Yep.

Brian Redban 49:37 I don't wanna even say that, though.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Right.

Brian Redban 49:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:39 Because it wouldn't, here's the thing, like, it wouldn't make you shoot somebody.

Brian Redban 49:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:43 That's why we can both say that.

Brian Redban 49:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Like, it wouldn't make me shoot somebody just 'cause I saw a video game or played a video game about shooting people.

Brian Redban 49:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:50 But how much of an effect does it have over people that are, like, maybe not, not that well educated? Maybe-

Brian Redban 50:00 Bad parenting?

Joe Rogan 50:01 ... bad parenting, maybe a bad neighborhood-

Brian Redban 50:03 I think it's a lot of that.

Joe Rogan 50:03 ... bad everything, and then they see that on TV all the time.

Brian Redban 50:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:08 You see it in the movies all the time. It's interesting, like, how Hollywood is, like, so vocal against g- gun violence.

Brian Redban 50:17 Right?

Joe Rogan 50:17 Like, there's so many people now that are like, "We need gun control. We need gun control." But they're making these movies where they shoot the fuck out of people. It's so weird. That's so weird, because if there's ev- if, like, if ever somebody wanted to go, "Hey, you guys make all these movies making this look cool. What is the real problem? Is the real problem people who have guns who don't do anything and are law-abiding citizens? Or is the real problem people who make movies where it looks awesome to shoot people?" And I'm not saying they sh- they're the problem. I don't think they are. But, like, this, that whole problem is a weird problem. The, the problem that, of people wanting to randomly shoot people is not, that's not good. That's not a sign of a healthy society. It's a si- there's a lot, a lot going on there. We've had a lot of guns for a long time. This stuff has been ramping up fairly recently in human history. Like, this is a psychological problem.

Narrator 51:19 What about duels back in the day when you would just, someone would cross you and be like, "Well, I'm gonna shoot you for-"

Joe Rogan 51:24 Yeah.

Narrator 51:24 "... talking bad about my family," or whatever. You know, like, that's not good either. Like, come on.

Joe Rogan 51:28 No.

Narrator 51:28 Talk that shit out. Talk about shooting somebody.

Brian Redban 51:29 Cowboys and Indians, that started, uh, racial shootings, right? Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:33 Probably.

Brian Redban 51:34 That wasn't-

Joe Rogan 51:34 I don't think they knew very much about, you know, like, what kind of effect that would have back then.

Narrator 51:40 I know. I, I was trying to think about the game, at what level, if, if, if someone wanted to make the argument for games being-

Joe Rogan 51:46 Yeah.

Narrator 51:46 ... attributable, at what level was it? Because they haven't always been as good as, as they are now. And, like-

Joe Rogan 51:52 I don't, I don't think the argument is that it's all games. I think the, the argument is that games play a part. I think the real, like, instead of, like, trying to pin the blame on movies or trying to p- there's a lot of factors, right? There's psychology. There's people that grow up that are abused and the way they're tortured when they're young, like, they have no empathy by the time they're a 20, 21-year-old person. And people get raised by monsters all over the world. I mean, it just happens. So it's got a terrible effect on people. Then you have people that are on all kinds of drugs, all kinds of medications, all kinds of things that could fuck with your mind. And then you have people that are just psychopaths. You have that too. You have people with broken brains that wanna do things, horrible things. We have a sick society. The society's sick.

Brian Redban 52:43 I think it's like your old bit, dude. Like, I think people need to, uh, like, you, not everyone can have kids. You have to, like, earn, you know-

Joe Rogan 52:51 Oh, that bit, yeah.

Brian Redban 52:53 Yeah. Because-

Joe Rogan 52:53 The, the bit was about, um, that it should- it shouldn't be that easy-

Brian Redban 52:56 Easy.

Joe Rogan 52:56 ... to make people.

Brian Redban 52:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:58 Go, it should be we need to separate having sex from making a person, 'cause having sex should just be fun. Let's just make it fun. And then to, to make a person, it should be like one of them action movies where the president and the general have to turn the key at the exact same time to activate the nukes. (laughs)

Brian Redban 53:15 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:15 Like, you, you should be fucking really sure you wanna raise a kid.

Brian Redban 53:19 Yeah, because I mean, I think that's, uh, with, with all, everything, I think it is mostly that, family and how these kids are being up, you know, they're being stuck in front of a, uh, a Nintendo or an Xbox-

Joe Rogan 53:30 Yeah.

Brian Redban 53:30 ... he has a babysitter and playing Call of Du- Duty all day.

Joe Rogan 53:34 And there's also, some people are just born fucked.

Brian Redban 53:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:37 They're just born fucked up. The, they're, you know, there's people that are good people and they have a kid and that kid's fucked. It's just, it's the fucking roll of the dice sometimes. It's a lot of things. What, what makes a person be able to do, like, a mass shooting? It's like, we have to figure out what's wrong with people. You know, taking the weapons away, if no one had guns, for sure there'd be no shootings, but this... That's not realistic. That's, you, how are you gonna do that? We gotta look at this for what it actually is. We gotta look at it pragmatic. Instead of wondering how we got here, we gotta figure out how to keep everybody safe.

Brian Redban 54:17 Homeschooling for everybody.

Joe Rogan 54:19 (laughs) Fuck that.

Brian Redban 54:19 Zoom, Zoom classes for everybody. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:21 But, dude, homeschooling, homeschooling might work if you're really super on the ball and you expose your kid to a lot of other kids and a lot of people. There's a socializing aspect that I would be skeptical about when it comes to, like, homeschooling.

Brian Redban 54:37 They are.

Joe Rogan 54:38 I'm not, I'm not opposed to homeschooling. You know, I know people that have homeschooled their kids and their kids are great. I, there's, like, a big prejudice that people have, that people who homeschool are religious, you know.

Brian Redban 54:49 I think if I had kids, I would homeschool them and-... in, un, if it wasn't a private school. I, if I could afford a private school, probably that. But home-schooling, probably, at least their first s- I don't know, six grades.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Kids need to socialize, man.

Brian Redban 55:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:03 They really, really do. They need to socialize. It's very important. They gotta get out with other kids and talk. And that's how we make better people. You know, I'm not saying that you won't make great people home-schooling your kid. But I'm saying there's a great benefit to kids being around kids, and sorting things out for themselves when the parents aren't around. There's a great benefit to that, learning things socially.

Brian Redban 55:23 Yeah, but then maybe that's where you'd throw the Girl Scouts in, or the Boy Scouts, if they even have those anymore. I don't even think so.

Joe Rogan 55:29 I think the Boy Scouts, uh, have to let ladies in now too.

Brian Redban 55:32 Oh, fuck (laughs) that's great for the Boy Scouts.

Joe Rogan 55:36 Well-

Brian Redban 55:36 I would lo- have loved that if I had Girl Scouts.

Joe Rogan 55:38 How did that get passed?

Narrator 55:40 I think it's 'cause no one was joining the Girl Scouts.

Brian Redban 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 Oh, that's fucked.

Narrator 55:43 (laughs) They just couldn't have anywhere for them to go.

Brian Redban 55:45 Come on.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Yeah, well how many people are worried about leaving their daughters with fucking some creepy people?

Brian Redban 55:50 Ah, man.

Joe Rogan 55:51 'Cause you hear stories. And it's very rare, but you do hear these stories. That's what scares people about like, uh, like, uh, like G- Google "Scoutmaster arrested molestation."

Brian Redban 56:04 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 56:04 Yeah, god that's huge.

Brian Redban 56:04 Google those words.

Joe Rogan 56:05 And-

Brian Redban 56:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:06 Right? But google those words, right? Y- that's not... I'm not exaggerating. You'll find a lotta cases.

Brian Redban 56:12 And Boy Scouts were always connected in O- in Ohio to churches. Like, my Boy Scouts were through my church, you know.

Joe Rogan 56:18 But let me tell you something, I had a, uh, great time at the Boy Scouts.

Brian Redban 56:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:22 I went to the Boy Scouts. I went, um, camping in New Hampshire with a bunch of hoodlums. Uh, "Long Island Scoutmaster arrested for sexually abusing boy. North Texas Scoutmaster arrested for indecency." For... Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. "Former Austin Scoutmaster charged with promoting child porn. Former S- Scoutmaster arrested on child indecency." Oh my God, there's so many of them. "Scoutmaster arrested on child porn charges. Assistant Scoutmaster charged with sexually abusing 12-year..." Oh fuck, man.

Brian Redban 56:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 56:51 Don't google that.

Narrator 56:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:53 Just trust me. I did not get molested while I was a, uh ... but I did, uh, almost get dragged out of my tent, or out of our cots, rather, in the middle of the night. These fucking kids were hoodlums. They were tying kids up and leaving them in the woods. They put toothpaste on everybody's clothes. (laughs) We ... I went to, uh, when I was, um, go- in the Boy Scouts, I was- we were living in Jamaica Plain. Jamaica Plain is... You want coffee? Jamaica Plain's been, uh, gentrified now, uh, supposedly. I don't know, I'm just talking out of my ass, but from what I've heard. But where I used to live was not back in the day. It was a rough neighborhood. It was interesting, 'cause I didn't really have any exposure to bad kids before.

Narrator 57:33 (coughs) .

Joe Rogan 57:33 That was like my first exposure at like 13 to, like, bad kids, kids that were criminals.

Brian Redban 57:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:38 (laughs) They'd all had sex. (laughs)

Brian Redban 57:39 Wow. 13?

Joe Rogan 57:41 13. (laughs)

Brian Redban 57:42 Geez.

Joe Rogan 57:42 Well this kid, I'll never forget this kid Paulie Hudson, who lived next door to me. And, uh, he goes, he goes, "You probably don't even know how a dick goes in a pussy." And I go, "What do you mean?" And he goes, "You probably think it goes in, but it goes up."

Narrator 57:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:58 And I remember he blew my mind. I was like, "It goes up?"

Brian Redban 58:03 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 58:04 Oh my God. I'm like, "He already knows." I was, I didn't even think about it. I was like, "Oh, of course it has to go up. Where else could it go? How's it gonna poke right out of your butthole?"

Brian Redban 58:11 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:12 It wouldn't make any sense.

Brian Redban 58:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 But it was hilarious. I was like, "These kids are criminals." They were, they were always, like, lighting things on fire, and we accidentally lit a field on fire once-

Brian Redban 58:25 Shit.

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... lighting off firecrackers. Yeah, the whole field. We tried to put it out, and then the wind blew. I'm like, "Oh, shit." And we ran to the street. But right when we ran there, a cop car was there. Just totally confessed to the cop. The cop goes, "Get the fuck out of here."

Narrator 58:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:37 And called the fire department, and they put the fire out, luckily quick.

Brian Redban 58:40 Jeez.

Joe Rogan 58:41 Yeah. We used to, like, there was all these, like, abandoned buildings and shit. We would go into them and smash windows.

Brian Redban 58:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 58:48 It was really wild. Like, to be 13 and hanging out with these kids that were like ... they were kind of dangerous. You know, like, a lot of them wound up going to jail. A lot of them had already been, like, charged with stuff. S- some of them had done time i- in juvie. It's like, "Fuck." (laughs)

Brian Redban 59:08 Yeah, I didn't hang out with the bad kids. I was a nerd. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:11 Well, I didn't hang out with the bad kids, but that, that time. When I'm, when we moved, we moved to Newton, which was a much nicer neighborhood. Uh, we were in Newton Upper Falls. It was like, you know, you had normal, like, kid beefs and a few street fights and stuff like that. But it was a pretty nice place to grow up. Wasn't bad at all. It was fun. But Jamaica Plain was fucking sketchy. When I was in, uh, I guess I was in eighth grade there was ... I went there, uh, yeah, I think, yeah, it was eighth grade. So I guess

Joe Rogan 59:41 I was ... That's when I was 13. There was a guy in my class who was 17 years old, and he kept going back to eighth grade. He wanted to, he wanted to eventually graduate, but he just had been sent back so many times-

Brian Redban 59:56 Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 59:57 ... that his ... he would be entering high school, you know. He'd be like 18 years old entering high school. Like, can you even do that?

Brian Redban 1:00:05 Uh, I mean, I got held back, and I was 18 the second half of eighth gr- my last year. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 Yeah, but that's normal. That's okay.

Brian Redban 1:00:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 But, like, what year would they say, "Hey, you can't go to high school anymore"?

Brian Redban 1:00:18 Yeah. Like, if you get-

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 What if-

Brian Redban 1:00:18 I think 18.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 What if you start off a loser, right?

Brian Redban 1:00:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 And you're just, like, sucking your thumb every day in first grade, second grade, third. They keep holding you back. Like, "Brian, you gotta do second grade again." "Fuck you, I'm not doing shit." And you, they keep failing you. You can't w- can't, you can't have all Fs and get to third grade. So they keep holding you back. And next thing you know you're 17 but, you know, you're having a religious experience. God comes to you in a dream and tells you, "Hey man, get your fucking shit together, you're 17. You gotta graduate eighth grade." And so you graduate eighth grade. And then you're 18, you go to high school. Okay, what's the oldest age to be in high school? While it may differ around the world, the United States, the maximum age limit that a person can attend high school for free is about 20 or 21.... in one state, it's 19, in another it's 26.

Narrator 1:01:06 That's hilarious.

1:01:07 You think it's 26?

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Oh, here's the thing.

Narrator 1:01:09 Or West Virginia.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Well, let me ask you this. Here's the thing. I mean, if you wanted to, uh, you know there's people that hold their kid back a year because they want their kid to do better in sports. Did you know that that's a thing?

Narrator 1:01:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:01:22 Um, because there's real evidence, and Malcolm Gladwell's O- Outliers talks about this with professional hockey players. With professional hockey players, all the- the elites, they all were born within a certain time of the year, and it's not because that's a magic time of the year, but it's because that's like the l- the oldest you can be and still be in, like, first grade, the oldest you can be and still be in second grade. Like, their- their birthday was just right after the line, and they're- they're considerably more developed than kids that were, like, they're, they barely made it in on the bottom half, like, they're barely old enough to get into first grade. And this guy's barely, he's, he really should be in second grade. Right? So, but if you can get to that spot, your kid will have this 12-month advantage in growth. And let me tell you something with my kids, you notice, like, they'll grow, I'll, I'll watch them, and, like, all of a sudden they've grown two inches. It's like, how long did it take you to grow two inches?

Narrator 1:02:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 It's like six months. Like, what the fuck?

Narrator 1:02:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 This is crazy. You grew s- two inches in six. It sounds, it sounds like nothing, 'cause it's normal, but it's wild when you see it happen.

Narrator 1:02:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 But if you could get a kid that's already grown those two inches, and already gained, like, the X amount of pounds, and with boys it's a big one, 'cause they start maturing and developing and hormone kicks in, hormones kick in, that's a g- that kid's gonna have an advantage at sports. He's gonna be faster than those kids, he's gonna be maybe stronger than those kids. Maybe his hand-eye coordination will be better. It's, like, a lot of factors.

Narrator 1:02:56 I bet that happens a lot. I didn't even think about that.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 It happens a lot. It happens a lot. So if you're a person who is, like, competitively inclined and you had children, you want your kids-

Narrator 1:03:05 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 ... to compete in sports, like, there's a lot of those fucking people.

Narrator 1:03:09 I've seen-

1:03:09 I bet there's even schools that, like, "Hey, he's good, but he could be a lot better if we held him back," you know?

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 Yes.

Narrator 1:03:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:15 Private schools.

Narrator 1:03:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah. I guarantee you they do. I mean, I don't think a public school would say that.

Narrator 1:03:19 It's big in little league baseball. Remember when that kid-

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Oh, yeah.

Narrator 1:03:22 ... they thought he was like 20, but he's supposedly like 13 or something. They're like, "We need to see the birth certificate." They're like, "He's got a mustache."

1:03:27 (laughs)

1:03:29 "He's going 90 miles an hour. What are you doing?"

1:03:31 (laughs) Yeah, imagine being 26 in that one state and playing football. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 What the fuck, man. Yeah, that would be crazy, 'cause if you could hold back that long, you'd be so mature. But when- once a man reaches, uh, I guess, like, I guess your 20s is when you're in your prime, like physical prime, till like maybe 30. And then with, uh, with athletes they can kick it into the deep, deep end of the 30s, like you could be an elite athlete. Like there's this guy, Artur Beterbiev. Beterbiev, uh, just knocked out Joe Smith Jr for the light heavyweight title. This guy is a fucking animal. He's 18 and 0 with 18 knockouts.

Narrator 1:04:14 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 He's the only world champion that's in boxing today that has a 100% knockout ratio for every fight he's ever been in. He's from Chechnya. This dude is fucking terrifying.

Narrator 1:04:29 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:29 Terrifying, 'cause Joe Smith Jr is an animal. I mean, he's this big, power-punching light heavyweight and Beterbiev fucked him up in two rounds. What was my point?

Narrator 1:04:41 (laughs)

1:04:43 Uh, high school football.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Oh.

Narrator 1:04:45 Oh, guess what state it is?

1:04:47 What state?

1:04:47 West Virginia? Texas.

1:04:48 It is? (gasps) Of course, because of football.

Joe Rogan 1:04:52 Oh, my God.

Narrator 1:04:53 Maybe, but yeah, Texas is the outlier.

1:04:56 Oh, my God. I want to know what the oldest person in Texas that played football is in high school.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Now I remember my point. Beterbiev is like 38.

Narrator 1:05:05 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:05 I think he's 38 or 37 or 38, something like that, but g- google, uh, Artur Beterbiev.

Narrator 1:05:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 He's a f- fucking animal. Most guys by that age that are professional boxers, he's 37, most guys by that age are starting to slide a little bit physically.

Narrator 1:05:24 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Skillwise they can maintain... Dude, he's a fucking animal. B- google the, uh, the video of him knocking out Joe Smith Jr, 'cause you can find it online. He's a fucking animal. And Joe Smith Jr is a dangerous guy. He's this big, power-punching guy. And this Artur Beterbiev just fucked him up, man. But it's interesting how he did it. Like Joe's, like, real aggressive and powerful, and he just caught him coming in.

Narrator 1:05:51 Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:51 His hand speed, the- the technique of his punches, like everything, and his fucking strength, man. Dude, all those people from that part of the world, those are some stout fucking people.

Narrator 1:06:04 It's weird.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Yeah. And this guy is, uh, Khamzat Chimaev, he's another guy from Chechnya, and he's, uh, an elite guy in the UFC. Like, there it is. They stopped the fight there.

Narrator 1:06:15 Wow.

1:06:16 Shit.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 And this guy does that to everybody. He's 18 and 0 with 18 knockouts, so everybody he's fought gets fucked up like this.

Narrator 1:06:24 Does- does he know a special place to hit the head? 'Cause it looks like he hit him in the back of the head.

Joe Rogan 1:06:28 No, it's-

Narrator 1:06:28 Maybe he has, like, a secret-

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 No, no, no, he hit him on the temple.

Narrator 1:06:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Briedis using kung fu. How to stock kung fu, bro?

Narrator 1:06:34 Maybe it's there, is what I was thinking.

1:06:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 No. He's- he's fucking him up with the- the uppercut in, right there.

Narrator 1:06:39 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:06:39 Yeah, it was the- the uppercut that really did it in. But it's like everything he d- I mean, every punch that he throws is dangerous. He's an interesting guy because, like, he's a power-punching boxer. Like, his boxing skill is excellent, but he's such a power puncher. He's the most exciting guy, uh, in that division right now. He's really, uh, very, very interesting. And then there's that Bivol guy who just beat Canelo. Did you see that fight?

Narrator 1:07:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:03 Same division.

Narrator 1:07:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 Whoo! Two Russians.... you know? It's, uh, well, touch me, I'm Russian. Those, those are fucking hard ass people, man.

Narrator 1:07:15 That boxer that died, that was pretty fucked up.

Joe Rogan 1:07:18 I wanna check their plastics.

Narrator 1:07:19 Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:20 I bet they get no plastic in their blood. Zero.

Narrator 1:07:23 They're all... Yeah. It's probably true.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Right. If you think about it, if you're living up in Siberia, where you getting plastic?

Narrator 1:07:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:28 You know? You're not. You're just eating antelope every day.

Narrator 1:07:31 Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's probably all wrapped in cloth-

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 (laughs)

Narrator 1:07:34 ... not even in a refrigerator. You know? (laughs) Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:07:37 Yeah. If you're living in Siberia, you're eating moose.

Narrator 1:07:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 That's what you're eating. You're eating moose, you're eating badgers, you're eating whatever the fuck you eat, whatever you kill. Salmon. You're probably eating the healthiest shit that a person can get and then you're, you have a, like, a long history of people there that have done, like, hard, hard physical work. That you, you ever see that, um, uh, Happy People: Life in the Taiga documentary about Siberia?

Narrator 1:08:00 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Fuck, it's amazing. It's so interesting because (sighs) you almost envy their life. Like, there's a, there's something about people that live, uh, like, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which is essentially what these folks do. They, they grow food, but mostly what they're doing is, like, they're hunting meat and they're trapping fur and they're gathering fish. And then they're waiting out the winter. And in the winter, they do, like, a lot of their trapping and they do it on snowmobiles. It's, it's weird, man. It's a weird life. But these people that get together, they're all drinking and laughing and they're all happy. They have, like, a very low instance of mental illness. Like, everybody's fulfilled, they all have tasks that they have to do all day. And it's all, like, you have to m-... Like, the guy's making his own snow skis, he's showing you how to make the skis, you know, with his fucking Russian accent. Not Russian accent, I mean Russian. He's speaking in Russian, and it's just, um, you know, uh, captioned over. But it's, uh, an amazing documentary because these people seem so fucking fulfilled.

Narrator 1:09:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 And we're so lost. (laughs) We think we're so lucky. We think we're so lucky with our phones, with our videos-

Narrator 1:09:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 ... and our Instagrams, and our fucking flying around on planes. But meanwhile, we're all, like, miserable and disconnected. And people go, "How about this pill, Brian? Does this make you feel better? How about this one? Is it... Do we get the right spot? We got the right spot! Yay!" These people, all they do is drink vodka and eat moose and drive around on snowmobiles and they're having a blast.

Narrator 1:09:32 Sounds fun. Sounds like a vacation.

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 So you can show a clip from it. It's pretty, uh, it's an interesting documentary. Werner Herzog has two of my all-time favorite documentaries. There's that one and then there's Grizzly Man.

Narrator 1:09:44 Grizzly Man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:46 Which is, which is like-

Narrator 1:09:47 The best documentary in the whole entire world?

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 Yeah, it might be.

Narrator 1:09:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 So this is these people that live, this is where they live. They live r- right off the Taiga River. And in the wintertime, that river freezes solid and they use it as a road. And they use it as a road to, uh, drag their shit across and to ride snowmobiles across. They all have dogs that they've trained. And these people live there, and this one guy's been up there for fucking decades. This one main guy that he follows a lot. He's really interesting. He was dropped off there by the former Soviet Union, like, way back in the day with very little understanding of how to survive with a dog. And he was like, "That dog kept me alive. That dog fed me." And so him, him and this dog would go out hunting. The other guy that he was supposed to be with, I think, bailed, but it's an am- it's an amazing story.

Narrator 1:10:36 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:10:36 This guy had to figure out how to survive on the Taiga and now he loves it. And now they all talk about it like this is, they would never want to do anything else because their life there is just, it's, it's so natural. And they just live off this crazy river in this frozen part of the world where you can only survive outside (laughs) for, like, a, a certain amount of time. And they're all furred up and...

Narrator 1:11:01 (laughs)

1:11:01 Does it explain how he found this guy?

Joe Rogan 1:11:04 (sighs)

Narrator 1:11:04 Like, how he discovered him?

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 No, he didn't. No, I mean, Herzog's a genius. His, um, his other documentary that's really interesting, too, is about the cave paintings that they found in France. Have you ever seen that?

Narrator 1:11:15 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:16 They found these cave paintings in France and I want to say they're like 30,000 years old or something. Something insane. See if it, like, what, what it says. They found those and they, um, they did this exploration of the cave and they filmed it. And, you know, this is stuff that probably hadn't been seen by human eyes for like, who knows how many years. And so these people were discovering this in this cave and looking at it and it's amazing. It's like there's no more vivid a snapshot in time than looking at some stuff that people drew when they were, like, the first people to draw things, you know? I mean, these are, these are the most primitive of people. They're living in caves, literally. I mean, who knows what kind of weapons they had, who knows what, how they were doing this, but these people, they all, um, deep in this cave, they all lived and they, they drew shit on the walls. And so here they are finding this stuff.

Narrator 1:12:18 Very long taints, they'd had probably also. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:20 Their taints were giant.

Narrator 1:12:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:21 Their taints were, like, their whole forearm. (laughs)

Narrator 1:12:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:26 It's really, really interesting, man, 'cause these images are fucking cool as shit. Look at these images.

Narrator 1:12:31 Wow.

1:12:31 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 1:12:31 So there's some kind of cats that they were trying to get away from. They drew that. They drew antelopes. Yeah, look at these f- they drew rhinos. It's wild, man. Wild shit. What are they saying was the age of those, uh, paintings? Does it say?

Narrator 1:12:50 Uh...

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 Find out what the age of those paintings are.

Narrator 1:12:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:12:53 'Cause it's just like...

Narrator 1:12:55 Denisovan, right?

Joe Rogan 1:12:56 I don't know. 'Cause they, well, Denisovans, they-

Narrator 1:12:59 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:59 They just figured them out-

Narrator 1:13:01 I should have said it was France.

Joe Rogan 1:13:02 ... pretty recently. Well, a lot of Neanderthals were in France. Europe had a lot of Neanderthals. But I think they think those are homo sapiens that made that. I don't think they think-... I think they think Neanderthals did some stuff like that. Like, they did, they did have weapons, they did have, they did have tools. But I just don't think they were as sophisticated. I don't know if they drew shit, 'cause those are really good drawings.

Narrator 1:13:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:28 Like, the, the, the cat's face is perfect.

Narrator 1:13:29 Uh, I wonder if it's just, like, one guy was really good at art, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:13:32 (laughs)

Narrator 1:13:32 Like, he, he was like the Banksy of cavemen.

Joe Rogan 1:13:36 Ah.

Narrator 1:13:36 Just went over it. This is all him.

Joe Rogan 1:13:38 Yeah, here it goes. Uh, it's Chauvet.

Narrator 1:13:42 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 Chauvet? What'd you say? Chauvet?

Narrator 1:13:44 Mm-hmm.

1:13:44 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:44 Chauvet Cave Paintings. Chauvet Caves' importance is based on two factors. Firstly, the aesthetic quality of these Paleolithic cave paintings, and secondly, their great age. With one exception, all of the cave art paintings have been dated between 30 and 33,000 years ago. So, 33,000 years ago, humans are living in caves, and they're killing animals and, and then documenting on the cave wall what they did, and what they're, what they're after, and what they want, and documenting things to avoid, documenting things they experienced. What were people like back then? Can you imagine going 33,000 years ago and just being a fly on the wall and watching people exist? If they didn't know you were there, just being, being able to just observe silently and invisibly. Fuck. What a wild life that must've been. They probably barely figured out clothes, right?

Narrator 1:14:47 I hope not. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:48 (laughs)

Narrator 1:14:49 That's what I was thinking is, like, hot chicks with, you know, just hairy armpits.

Joe Rogan 1:14:53 I bet everything would be hairy.

Narrator 1:14:54 (laughs) Yeah.

1:14:54 (laughs) Everything.

Joe Rogan 1:14:55 I bet, I bet people back ... I mean, what did they look like?

Narrator 1:14:57 Monkeys.

Joe Rogan 1:14:57 Were they covered in hair?

Narrator 1:14:58 Monkeys.

Joe Rogan 1:15:00 I mean, but that's ... No, because those are homo sapiens, right? The, the, the thought is that the homo sapien, like us, we've been around for, I think, they think, it's a quarter million years. Right? Isn't that what they think? But there's dudes that have, like, ha- like, George "The Animal" Steele. Remember that pro wrestler?

Narrator 1:15:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:21 His entire body's covered in hair.

Narrator 1:15:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:23 Like everything. His whole back is like your beard.

Narrator 1:15:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:15:27 Right?

Narrator 1:15:27 Well, you should see my back.

Joe Rogan 1:15:29 Bah. (laughs)

Narrator 1:15:31 (laughs)

1:15:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 But, like, if you look at a guy like that, like George "The Animal" Steele, like, what d- ... Was that how all people looked 33,000 years ago?

Narrator 1:15:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:15:41 Like, look at him. He's covered in hair. He was great.

Narrator 1:15:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:45 What a character. Look at that fucking hair on him.

Narrator 1:15:47 That's it.

Joe Rogan 1:15:47 Look at the hair on him. I mean, everything is covered in hair.

Narrator 1:15:52 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:15:52 And there was that one Russian wrestler, remember? There's this one, like, really elite Russian wrestler that's crazy hairy. I mean, he just looks like he's the ultimate male. So, like, was ... Is that what people looked like 33,000 years ago, you think?

Narrator 1:16:07 Pro- I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:16:08 Probably.

Narrator 1:16:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:10 That ... I don't mean, like, a, a pro wrestler.

Narrator 1:16:12 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:12 He's, like, a real wrestler. Not that pro wrestlers aren't real wrestlers. I mean, like, a amateur wrestler. He's, um ... Fuck, I forgot his name. I'm not gonna get it. Yeah. Look at that guy. There it is.

Narrator 1:16:31 Oh, geez. Why doesn't he just trim it up a little?

Joe Rogan 1:16:35 Litt- his name is, uh ... Oh boy, I don't wanna fuck this up. Ketevgiorgi. I think ... I hope I didn't fuck that up, but that dude is hairy as fuck. (laughs)

Narrator 1:16:43 (laughs) Yeah. Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 Look at him. He's a werewolf.

Narrator 1:16:45 That is crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:16:45 He's a werewolf. So I ... Do you think that people all looked like that 33,000 years ago, right?

Narrator 1:16:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:51 They probably had to have hair on them because you have to be able to regulate your temperature-

Narrator 1:16:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:56 ... in some way. They're probably h- way hairier than that dude.

Narrator 1:16:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:16:59 Right?