Joe Rogan Experience #1843 - Paul VIrzi

Narrator 0:02 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Tell me when you're ready.

Joe Rogan 0:14 I'm ready.

Narrator 0:14 Okay. Oh, we'll have that rolling, Paul Verzin. What the fuck?

Paul Virzi 0:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:18 So, tell me the UFO story.

Paul Virzi 0:20 (laughs) All right. Um, well, first, I'm going to tell you about my dad real quick.

Joe Rogan 0:25 Okay.

Paul Virzi 0:25 My dad is Sicilian to the fuck... He... Born and raised Bronx, okay? Grew up in the 1960s in the Bronx. Always has to dress nice, you know. Very materialistic. A man needs a watch.

Joe Rogan 0:40 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 0:41 A man needs shoes. Okay? Me and my brother were in the car one time. My father would do this shit. We were young. He shouldn't have, but he would be like, he'd be like, "Look at that. You see that? That's a fucking disgrace." He'd be like, "That's a man in a Honda." You know?

Joe Rogan 0:54 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 0:54 And he'd be like, "Th- th- there's kids in that fucking car." Like, like that.

Joe Rogan 0:57 Wow.

Paul Virzi 0:58 1982 Jaguar XJ6, black, white leather. Dressed to the nines. You know, everybody's crazy but him.

Joe Rogan 1:06 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 1:06 "Fucking, they're crazy. Fucking..." Right? So, tells me and my brother a story. To this day, the story's not changed, and he told me he wished he never saw what he saw. 1973, my mother is pregnant with my older brother, Christian. Uh, he's five years older than me. Okay? So, uh, she's pregnant with him. They're outside in Yonkers. There's a little grass lot. And my aunt, grandmother, and mother are out there, and they're screaming, "Tommy, you got to come out here! You got to come out here." So, the way my father tells this story, he goes, "I'm watching TV. What the fuck?" You know? "I- I don't want to be bothered." He goes, "I go outside," and he said, "Paul," he said, "sitting where I could throw a rock or shoot my gun at it, there is a fucking..." And the way he s- he said flying saucer, which is fucking hilarious, but he goes, "There's a fucking flying saucer," and he said, "it's got a blue tint around it, little port holes, but you could barely see. Quiet. Quiet as can be." And he said they were all... And he said the time was weird. The time of night was weird. It was like that weird time where the sun's going down, you don't know. He said the timing of it was weird, and he said his time perception during it was, was very, something was off with the time. And he said he thought, he said, "Holy shit, I could fucking shoot my gun at this thing." But then he goes, he goes, "Then I freaked out because I don't know if this thing's reading my fucking mind, so I went inside."

Joe Rogan 2:20 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 2:21 'Cause he thought that it might've been... So, he went inside, he looked again. He went outside, they looked at it, they were stunned, and he said, "And like that, it turned into a dot in the sky." Uh, he said, "Like that, it turned into a star like that." And he says, to this day, exactly the same thing. He goes, "Paul, I always used to think those people were fucking nuts." He goes, "All those people, I thought they were fucking hillbillies somewhere in the Midwest just trying to get attention." He goes, "I know what the fuck I saw." And he goes, "And I wish I didn't see it because I still dream about it and I know what the fuck I saw and I know it wasn't from here. That's 100% true."

Joe Rogan 2:51 What year was this?

Paul Virzi 2:52 1973.

Joe Rogan 2:53 '73.

Paul Virzi 2:54 And then I Googled 1973 Yonkers, and many people saw something.

Joe Rogan 2:59 Ah.

Paul Virzi 2:59 But it was right above them.

Joe Rogan 3:01 Look at this. Man says, "1973 UFO incident turned life upside down."

Paul Virzi 3:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Wow. I'm not surprised.

Paul Virzi 3:09 No.

Joe Rogan 3:09 That thing, it probably looked just like that. That one right there.

Paul Virzi 3:12 That's what, that, yes. Yeah, he a- when... It's funny, 'cause when he describes it, it looks like that. Uh, like in my mind, that's what he said it looked like, and that's what I always thought about. That right there. But he said that it was gone in, like, he said he couldn't believe. He said my m- and my mother's very, like, religious, so the other day, we had a party and somebody... Might've actually been Yiannas. He goes, "I, you know, I got to, I've got to find out. Can I talk... Can..." And he, and she goes-

Joe Rogan 3:34 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 3:34 She goes, "I saw that." She goes, "I s- I s-," she goes, "Yiannas, I saw that. We, we saw that. That thing just disappeared." My father said if he had a picture in 1973 of where it was, nobody would ever had a picture like that.

Joe Rogan 3:43 Wow.

Paul Virzi 3:43 He goes, "I'd have been a fucking millionaire." Yeah, he said, "Nobody..." It was right there, he said. He said, "You could've maybe not thrown something, but shoot, shoot at it."

Joe Rogan 3:50 Wow.

Paul Virzi 3:51 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Well, that thing right there is a copy by this guy, Designs By P3ry. Uh, the E in P3ry is a three, on Instagram. And he, he recreated that thing. That's a, a recreation of what Bob Lazar-

Paul Virzi 4:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:05 ... uh, allegedly worked on in Area S4.

Paul Virzi 4:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 And that's exactly how he described it. He said this thing was running on something called Element 115. Element 115 is apparently some element that was just theoretical until, like, the, the early 2000s. I think it was, like, 2013 or something like that. They recreated in a large hadron collider. Um, but before-

Paul Virzi 4:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 4:29 In a, in a particle collider. But before that, he was saying that these people ha- he was talking about this in 1989. That these people who were working on this thing, trying to back engineer it, they described it as being some sort, there's some sort of an engine that works off of this, uh, element. And that what it does is it bends gravity. So, instead of-

Paul Virzi 4:51 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 4:52 ... instead of, like, a rocket where fire comes out the back and it pushes the rocket forward-

Paul Virzi 4:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 4:57 ... this thing bends space and time.

Paul Virzi 4:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:59 So, it bends gravity and pushes it through.

Paul Virzi 5:02 What?

Joe Rogan 5:02 Yeah, that's why it's totally silent. The thing is, it's like, sounds crazy, but-

Paul Virzi 5:06 Uh oh.

Joe Rogan 5:06 ... all these things that these pilots have seen, that they describe having no heat signature, no visible means of propulsion, they all move in that same way.

Paul Virzi 5:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:16 Exactly how your dad described.

Paul Virzi 5:18 Yeah, and I didn't know that the bending gravity was why it was silent. But everybody that I know says they've seen one says silent.

Joe Rogan 5:25 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 5:26 There's never noise, like any sort of engine, which is wild.

Joe Rogan 5:30 It is pretty wild, but I mean, you know, everybody's like, "Well, I ain't seeing shit." But i- if one person saw it, if they only came down for, like, a half hour or an hour, f- you know, a few people saw it, then it took off and never came back again, those people would be confused like your dad probably for the rest of their lives.

Paul Virzi 5:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:46 Just thinking about it.

Paul Virzi 5:48 Yeah, and he's, he's so detailed every single time, and he says, he goes, he goes, "What I don't like about seeing it was I knew that I was seeing something that was just unexplained and not from here. And it's, and I know it's out there."

Joe Rogan 6:00 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 6:01 And he's just fucked up by it, you know? He's-

Joe Rogan 6:03 I would imagine.

Paul Virzi 6:04 Uh, what do you think they're doing? Like, what's the goal?

Joe Rogan 6:06 Probably making sure we don't blow ourselves up.... probably l- when every civilization... I, I think there's probably a bunch of different kinds of life forms in space, right? Like, m- m- millions of different kinds. But I think they must know that we operate off of biological needs. Like, we have a biological need to procreate, a biological need to protect our, our village and to-

Paul Virzi 6:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:31 ... protect our stuff, and so we're warring still.

Paul Virzi 6:34 Okay.

Joe Rogan 6:34 But yet, we're moving this technological age of sophistication, where we have nuclear bombs and video that travels on your phone to the other side of the world in a half a second, and all the wild shit that we can do now that makes it very complex for us to manage both our primate instincts-

Paul Virzi 6:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:52 ... and the responsibility of having incredible power. So, they're probably like, just, "Let's just fucking keep an eye on these assholes."

Paul Virzi 6:59 Why, why would they care though? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:01 Because they don't want us to blow ourselves up. Think about how many billions of years it took for us to become what we are, right? You go from the single-celled organism-

Paul Virzi 7:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:09 ... to what a human being is now, that is a long road, to, for us to just knock the dominoes over-

Paul Virzi 7:14 (laughs) They just fucking-

Joe Rogan 7:14 ... 'cause some guy has a hard on, right? It's Putin, right?

Paul Virzi 7:18 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:18 Like, if Putin's just like, "Fuck you, I kill everybody," and he just fucking nukes Ukraine, and then we nuke him, and then China nukes us, and-

Paul Virzi 7:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:26 ... you know, that kinda shit is a real possibility. And I, if I was an alien, I was like, "Look, they're so close to getting it right. They're so close to getting it together."

Paul Virzi 7:36 Yeah. That, that could be. That... (laughs) Yeah, dude. I don't know. I tell you what, if I saw it, it would fuck me up.

Joe Rogan 7:43 What do you think it is? What do you think they're doing? If, if that's real. Let's just assume that this isn't just a mass hallucination, or-

Paul Virzi 7:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:50 ... what do you, what do you think it is?

Paul Virzi 7:52 Uh, I think they're just curious, man. I think they're just watching, and I think... I don't know. I, I would say I don't know that they care. I wouldn't think that they would care, but I think they're just watching us. But what if this? I always thought about this. What if they created us? Like, we're their ant farm.

Joe Rogan 8:07 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 8:07 And-

Joe Rogan 8:07 I've thought of that too, yeah.

Paul Virzi 8:08 You know, like, like-

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 8:09 ... one of them, like, fucked something down and just started something.

Joe Rogan 8:13 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 8:13 You know, what if they took, like, a chimpanzee, or they took something that was here first, fucked it, and were like, "Let's look-"

Joe Rogan 8:19 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 8:19 ... "at this thing grow." And then they're just looking, and they're showing up, and they're...

Joe Rogan 8:22 That's one of the things Bob Lazar said. He said-

Paul Virzi 8:24 Did he?

Joe Rogan 8:25 Yeah. He said that one of their, um, uh, they, there's, there was a bunch of briefings that they had and a bunch of documents. In one of the documents, they talked about how human beings are some sort of a product of accelerated evolution. Like, they-

Paul Virzi 8:38 Wow.

Joe Rogan 8:38 ... they took us. Which kinda makes sense that we're so different than all the other primates. You see, all the other primates, they're all still kinda stuck in this weird sort of... I mean, we know that there were bipedal primates that don't exist anymore, like, um, have you ever heard of the, the, The Hobbit people?

Paul Virzi 8:54 No. Oth- not, other than the movie. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 8:56 Not, not, not, not the movie.

Paul Virzi 8:57 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:58 There's, uh, an ani- well, it's, it's, like, a human. It's called Homo, uh, floresiensis. Floresiensis? I think that's how you say it. Um, from the island of Flores. And they're these tiny people that were, like, different-

Paul Virzi 9:12 Wow.

Joe Rogan 9:12 ... than... They're not Homo sapiens, but they were, like, in the humanoid category.

Paul Virzi 9:17 Whoa.

Joe Rogan 9:17 And they were three feet tall. They used tools, and they think they might've even, uh, like, had conflicts with people where they're like-

Paul Virzi 9:26 (laughs) What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah. Those are real, real creatures. But there's not just one of them. Like, this is, this is a fact, right? This, this animal, this, uh, this hobbit person, they didn't find out about this until... God, I wanna say it was, like, 2000s. Somewhere in the 2000s, they discovered it. When did they discover it? Is that what it says? Does it say?

Narrator 9:51 No, not when. I'll look.

Joe Rogan 9:54 Well, they-

Narrator 9:54 Oh, it was discovered in 2003.

Joe Rogan 9:55 2003.

Narrator 9:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:56 They discu-... So, up until 2003, they didn't even know this was a thing. And they know that these creatures lived alongside human beings. They know that-

Paul Virzi 10:05 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:05 ... that, I think the fossils they found were as recent as somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 years ago. So, somewhere around 10,000 years ago, there was a creature that was, like, a tiny humanlike, like, had hands like a human, a face like a human, but it was three feet tall, covered in hair.

Paul Virzi 10:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:20 Used tools, and lived alongside people.

Paul Virzi 10:23 But not human.

Joe Rogan 10:24 Not human.

Paul Virzi 10:24 Wow. Not human.

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 10:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:27 But, so there's that one, right? And then there's some other ones, like, uh, Gigantopithecus, which is what they think Bigfoot was. That's a, a giant eight-foot-tall bipedal hominid that existed. That's, like, in the orangutan family.

Paul Virzi 10:40 Oh, okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:41 And they think that that exists. So, there's a bunch of different primates. But the bottom line is, all of them, even this one that has tools, and it, it's, they're, they're-

Paul Virzi 10:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:48 ... covered in hair. They're-

Paul Virzi 10:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:50 ... all fucking muscular and weird-looking.

Paul Virzi 10:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:52 They're not like us.

Paul Virzi 10:53 No.

Joe Rogan 10:54 We're fucking strange.

Paul Virzi 10:55 Yeah. Yeah, we evol-... You know what's funny about the, the thing that my father saw? Is he wa-... He didn't wanna tell people.

Joe Rogan 11:00 Oh, I'm sure.

Paul Virzi 11:01 So, he, he wa-... My father was... Before my parents got divorced, he was a bigwig at AIG in Manhattan. He was, like, third guy, third or fourth guy at AIG. And the top guy was having a huge barbecue at his place in Long Island, and he invites my father to come out. So, my mother's there, and my father doesn't tell anybody about the UFO. And he goes, "Then your fucking mother w- yells across the barbecue, 'Hey Tommy, tell everybody about the flying saucer we saw.'" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:29 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 11:29 And he goes, "Nah, she... I don't know, she's drinking."

Joe Rogan 11:31 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 11:33 (laughs) And he goes, "What the fuck are you..." 'Cause he didn't want... Because, especially 1973-

Joe Rogan 11:36 Right.

Paul Virzi 11:37 ... even in the '80s and ni- early '90s, it was like, uh-

Joe Rogan 11:39 Even today.

Paul Virzi 11:40 Today, yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:41 You bring up today, you saw a UFO. "Well, Verzi saw a UFO."

Paul Virzi 11:45 (laughs) But at least you have commercial airline pilots going, "Hey-

Joe Rogan 11:47 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 11:47 ... we see some shit right now-

Joe Rogan 11:48 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 11:49 ... that's going-"

Joe Rogan 11:50 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 11:50 "... doing some shit that-"

Joe Rogan 11:51 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 11:51 "... these things shouldn't do."

Joe Rogan 11:52 Yeah, exactly.

Paul Virzi 11:53 You know? But, but, yeah, 1973, my mother yelled it out, and he was like, "You're fuck..." You know, he freaked out about it, you know? He was like, "You can't tell my boss."

Joe Rogan 12:01 Yeah. (laughs)

Paul Virzi 12:01 (laughs) Yeah, get Tom Verzi in here. We got to... Fuck, he's a lunatic.

Joe Rogan 12:04 (Laughs) (slaps thighs)

Paul Virzi 12:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:05 Yeah, they would say, "You don't want to pee in that cup, Tom?"

Paul Virzi 12:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:08 Did they have pee tests back then? I wonder when they started doing drug tests. Like, when did they first start drug testing employees?

Paul Virzi 12:12 I think, I think '80s. I don't think they did it in the '70s.... you know?

Joe Rogan 12:17 Hmm.

Paul Virzi 12:17 I, I don't think so. Um-

Joe Rogan 12:18 Nah. Nah, they probably didn't have drug tests back then.

Paul Virzi 12:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:21 You know? Back then I bet coke was real coke. You got coke-

Paul Virzi 12:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:24 ... I bet it was clean.

Paul Virzi 12:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:26 They probably didn't even cut it.

Paul Virzi 12:27 Now you can't fucking-

Joe Rogan 12:28 Ah.

Paul Virzi 12:28 ... can't touch it.

Joe Rogan 12:29 What does it say here? President Ronald Reagan. Worse- workplace drug testing started off after President Ronald Reagan required it for federal employees in 1986.

Paul Virzi 12:40 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:40 And it peaked during the drug war of the 1990s. Fucking Reagan.

Paul Virzi 12:44 '86?

Joe Rogan 12:45 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 12:47 He probably saw, uh, Darryl Strawberry dot Gooden, he's like-

Joe Rogan 12:49 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 12:49 ... "Enough of this shit." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:51 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 12:51 That was the first steroids of sports-

Joe Rogan 12:53 Ugh.

Paul Virzi 12:53 ... was the coke of sports, because they all did it.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Right. Well, I bet- get baseball players, apparently, they all like to do, uh, amphetamines, right?

Paul Virzi 13:00 I was gonna say. Yeah, yeah. That was the first one.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Yeah. Well, baseball players, that's probably one of the most performance-enhanced sports-

Paul Virzi 13:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:07 ... with, with all the fucking steroids and the, the, they... Uh, apparently, they all like, uh, ADHD medication.

Paul Virzi 13:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Something about it makes you focus.

Paul Virzi 13:18 And, and what it does is, too, is you play through injury. You don't feel the injury.

Joe Rogan 13:21 Oh.

Paul Virzi 13:21 So you have... Yeah, you have a little tear, so guys that were at the plate, if they had a little tear in their elbow or shoulder, didn't.

Joe Rogan 13:26 Wow.

Paul Virzi 13:26 It didn't matter. And their hand-eye coordination was... That's why Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds was so... Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he did it, then he saw everybody doing it, and then he did it again. I was sitting courtside Nick... I got hammered at the Knick. I, uh, um, I'm good friends, Pete Davidson's a good friend of mine, and he was at SNL. He goes, "Dude, come down, we got the tick-..." And I'm a diehard Knicks. For- diehard Knicks. Because I'm a Yankees, Giants, but I've won with them. My, my problem child is the, is the Knicks. And I got my son into it and shit. And we go down, and I'm sitting next to this guy and he's got his hair slicked back, and everybody's coming up to him and he's got this beard and every-... I'm looking at this guy, and I'm drinking vu-... They just poured vodkas. And I, and I'm just... I'm fucking hammered. Courtside. And this guy... And I don't know who this guy is, so... At halftime, they take you back to where everybody's drinking and eating. So finally they're like, "Yeah, the guy you're sitting next to is, um, the Mets, the new manager of the Mets, Mickey Callaway." And I was like, "Oh, okay, cool. That's who it is." So we just start talking, we're shooting the shit and everything. And I go, "All right," and I'm hammered now, so now I, I, like, all of the what you shouldn't do, I'm doing. Yeah, I go, "Can I ask you a question?" He goes, "Please, please." (laughs) He's a nice guy. I go-

Joe Rogan 14:28 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 14:29 Best baseball... He was a... Before he was a Mets manager, he was a pitching coach for the Indians. And I go, "Now the Guardians," which is fucking awful name. But, um, he said, uh... I go, "Who's the best baseball player you've ever seen live, in all of the years you've been in baseball?" And he just leans back and he goes, "Oof." And then he just goes, "Oh, Barry Bonds." He goes, "Nobody in history made a pitcher pay for a mistake more." He goes, "If a pitcher made one fucking mistake by an inch, over." So imagine that guy on 'roids.

Joe Rogan 15:01 And he was.

Paul Virzi 15:02 Imagine... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:03 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 15:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:04 Yeah, he was. Yeah.

Paul Virzi 15:04 But he, but he was that guy, he was that guy before.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 15:08 And then he was on it.

Joe Rogan 15:09 Right.

Paul Virzi 15:09 So now, there's Barry Bonds, Monster Barry Bonds. (laughs) No injuries. No, you know, nothing's gonna stop him. Hand-eye coordination better.

Joe Rogan 15:17 Right.

Paul Virzi 15:17 More power. That guy.

Joe Rogan 15:20 Yeah, I mean, how many... They all did it, right? Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, they were all on the sauce.

Paul Virzi 15:26 You could kinda look at the ones that did a certain way 'cause they were square.

Joe Rogan 15:30 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 15:30 I was in a fucking elevator with Gary Sheffield. That was like... He was like a book dresser.

Joe Rogan 15:34 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 15:34 He was like a fucking... He was just, just... There... You could tell that these guys were just different.

Joe Rogan 15:38 I met Canseco in 1986. I was, uh, a fitness trainer at, uh, the Boston Athletic Club. I'd, like, teach people how to lift weights and shit. And, uh-

Paul Virzi 15:50 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:51 ... Jose Canseco came in, at like the peak of his popularity. He was a fucking-

Paul Virzi 15:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:56 ... giant.

Paul Virzi 15:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:56 He was so big.

Paul Virzi 15:58 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:58 I, I couldn't believe how big he was. Like, I, I knew he was... You know, you see him on TV, he's an athlete-

Paul Virzi 16:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:03 ... but you see him in real life, he's like 260 pounds.

Paul Virzi 16:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:06 He was fucking huge.

Paul Virzi 16:07 Yeah, gigantic. Actually, I don't know if Sheffield did it, but he w-... He looked like that. I don't know if... Who got... Who was the big... Oh, then the guys that denied it in front of Congress?

Joe Rogan 16:15 Oh, what happens with them? Do they go to jail for that?

Paul Virzi 16:18 You know what was funny? Everybody that admitted it, was- it was like, okay. But the guys that were like... Remember Rafael Palmeiro? He goes, "I..." He fucking, like, pointed at the guy, he goes, "I never, never," and like he did. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:30 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 16:30 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:30 The problem with that is-

Paul Virzi 16:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:32 ... if you lie about something like that so emphatically-

Paul Virzi 16:35 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:35 ... no one's ever gonna believe you again. Like if you get in an argument with your wife, "I was with Tommy-"

Paul Virzi 16:40 Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 16:40 "... we went to the fucking game. I drove straight home. I got stuck in traffic." Look at him.

Paul Virzi 16:44 Yeah, that's the point.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Pointing. Look at him.

Paul Virzi 16:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:46 He looks like he's on 'roids right there. That's probably why he's pointing. Oh, there's a fucking... There's a bobblehead doll of him pointing.

Paul Virzi 16:51 (laughs) Yeah. (laughs) And, and what-

Joe Rogan 16:53 "I have never used steroids, period."

Paul Virzi 16:55 Wait, wait. Mark McGwire did...

Joe Rogan 16:56 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 16:56 Mark McGwire did this one. He just goes... They go, "Mark, did you do... You know, did you use steroids in this?" And he just goes, "I'm not here to talk about, you know, the past. I'm here to talk about the future." (laughs) And he... That was his way of just being like-

Joe Rogan 17:06 Nice.

Paul Virzi 17:06 "... let's, let's clean the game up."

Joe Rogan 17:08 Nice.

Paul Virzi 17:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:09 "After I've made my money, let's clean the game up."

Paul Virzi 17:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:12 "Let's bring everybody's home runs down to a normal, manageable level."

Paul Virzi 17:15 Yeah. (laughs) My wi-

Joe Rogan 17:16 Fuck that.

Paul Virzi 17:17 My wife knows when I'm lying, dude. She's... My wife and I have been together for fucking 20, almost 20 years, and married almost 15. And when sh- when she has me dead to rights, she just looks, and we both know.

Joe Rogan 17:27 Well, don't do steroids in front of her, then.

Paul Virzi 17:29 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:29 Or don't lie about them.

Paul Virzi 17:31 No.

Joe Rogan 17:31 Those guys, like, if you think about it, they, they made baseball more interesting, though. Like, it's so stupid that they busted them for that. They should've been just like-

Paul Virzi 17:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:39 ... "Shut the... Everybody shut the fuck up. Everybody shut the fuck up."

Paul Virzi 17:42 They brought baseball back.

Joe Rogan 17:43 But why did they make a big deal out of it? Who gives a shit if they're doing steroids?

Paul Virzi 17:46 I just think when it goes from 40 home runs is a good season to 90, it's just like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:51 People are getting better.

Paul Virzi 17:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:52 Cars are getting faster. Now a cell phones.

Narrator 17:55 Why, why did it go to Congress, though? That's pretty weird it went all the way to-

Paul Virzi 17:58 I, I think so too.

Joe Rogan 17:59 Yeah, I agree.

Narrator 17:59 ... congressional hearings.

Paul Virzi 17:59 It shouldn't go to...

Joe Rogan 17:59 'Cause baseball's our national game, that's why. 'Cause like if that happened with like... Pick a sport. Darts.

Narrator 18:06 Oh.

Joe Rogan 18:06 You think anybody give a fuck?

Paul Virzi 18:08 No. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:08 Dart players doing 'roids. You know, bring them to Congress.

Paul Virzi 18:11 Fucking bocce ball players. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:12 Yeah.

Narrator 18:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:12 I mean, like, why is it that... It's gotta be that baseball's a national sport. I don't think they would've done that with anything else. They definitely would've done it with football, 'cause they know-

Paul Virzi 18:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:21 ... everybody's juiced up on football.... yeah, they all get Maguire.

Paul Virzi 18:24 Look at Sosa looking over-

Joe Rogan 18:25 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 18:26 ... at them.

Joe Rogan 18:26 That's Sosa before he turned white.

Paul Virzi 18:28 Y- yeah. What? That was- That's wild what he did.

Joe Rogan 18:31 He keeps doing it too. He's getting whiter and whiter. Li- like, some people, you know, it's just, it's just like body dysmorphia, right?

Paul Virzi 18:39 That's wild.

Joe Rogan 18:39 It's like an anorexic or something like that. He thinks he looks good, but it, it looks wrong because his features-

Paul Virzi 18:45 No. Is that real?

Joe Rogan 18:46 That's real, dude. That's what he looks like today.

Paul Virzi 18:49 What the f-

Joe Rogan 18:50 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 18:50 Why?

Joe Rogan 18:51 I don't know. He's out of his fucking mind.

Paul Virzi 18:52 Is that like that Michael Jackson shit when he just kept-

Joe Rogan 18:54 No. No. No. No. No. No. The Michael Jackson shit is, uh, vitiligo. I have that. That's like you see like I have swi- white spots on my hand. You don't notice it as much because I'm a white guy. But w- with Michael Jackson, he 100% had vitiligo and his whole body started depigmenting. Sammy's doing this on purpose.

Paul Virzi 19:12 Oh, he's putting shit on himself?

Joe Rogan 19:13 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can buy that stuff. When I was in Thailand, I, I noticed it, that they sell these things. They had billboards everywhere for whitening cream. And you take this cream and it destroys the pigment on your skin. He apparently likes it, like, you know, he was doing an interview talking about how he likes the way he looks now.

Paul Virzi 19:33 Yeah. It's, that's so, that's so weird, dude.

Joe Rogan 19:35 It's odd.

Paul Virzi 19:35 He looked so healthy. He was a good young player.

Joe Rogan 19:37 Yes.

Paul Virzi 19:37 Like, his-

Joe Rogan 19:38 He says, uh, "It's a bleaching cl- cream that I apply before going to bed and it whitens my skin some," he said some. No, bro, a lot. Sammy said-

Paul Virzi 19:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:46 ... in a 2019 interview with Univision after a photo was taken at the Grammy Latino Awards, "What happened was that I've been using the cream for a long time and that combined with the bright TV lights made by face look whiter than it really is. I don't think I look like Michael Jackson," he said then. (laughs)

Paul Virzi 20:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:02 Wait, can you scroll up to that photo again?

Paul Virzi 20:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:04 Bro, that's crazy.

Paul Virzi 20:06 That is crazy.

Joe Rogan 20:06 Because his face, uh, you know, it's like he's got the features of a darker man, but he's got a... Well, that one is almost like he's a, he's purple. That's weird. -

Paul Virzi 20:14 Well, the... And the thing too is like the fucking pink hat.

Joe Rogan 20:17 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 20:17 He looks like a Batman fucking villain or something. That's weird.

Joe Rogan 20:20 Uh, he's losing his mind. A lot of, a lot of drugs.

Paul Virzi 20:22 Where, where do you stand-

Joe Rogan 20:23 He's losing his mind.

Paul Virzi 20:23 You have kids?

Joe Rogan 20:24 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 20:24 Uh, where do you stand with, like, what they can do as far as, like, tattoos, piercings, doing shit like that? 'Cause my kids are not ready for that. I have a... My daughter's 10 and my son is 13. And my, you know, my daughter has earrings and stuff like that. My... I don't know if my son's interested in certain things yet, but are you gonna be one of those to be like, you know, "Be careful," like, "I don't want you doing that," or it's like whatever?

Joe Rogan 20:46 I don't think that I have any control over my children's bodies once they become adults.

Paul Virzi 20:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 20:54 You know, my... I think, I think I w- wanna be kind, I wanna give them as much information as I can, I wanna, you know, make sure that they do a lot of things that build up their character and their self-esteem, and then allow them to make choices. I think the best thing that you could do is have a dialogue with your kids where they know they could always talk to you about things.

Paul Virzi 21:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:15 So, like, I-

Paul Virzi 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 ... I'm not very, I'm not as r- my wife is more m- restrictive than me when it comes to, like, l- like, uh, television or, or computer use or she puts, like, screen time on their phones and shit like that.

Paul Virzi 21:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:28 I feel like you gotta be very careful-

Paul Virzi 21:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:31 ... to not be too controlling 'cause then-

Paul Virzi 21:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:33 ... your, your kid will try to rebel. People don't like being told what to do.

Paul Virzi 21:37 No.

Joe Rogan 21:37 You know? It's like when your boss isn't looking and then you go do things you're not supposed to do. That's... It's just a natural thing. If you got a boss that's like as soon as you leave, it's, "Fuck him."

Paul Virzi 21:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:45 You put your feet up on the desk.

Paul Virzi 21:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:46 You know? If you give people freedom-

Paul Virzi 21:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:48 ... they don't rebel, like, they don't want to rebel.

Paul Virzi 21:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:51 I have restrictions-

Paul Virzi 21:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:53 ... you know, like time restrictions and tell me where you're gonna be and that kind of stuff-

Paul Virzi 21:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 21:56 ... but I'm, I'm all about communication with my kids. I like to just... I talk to them. I definitely talk to them like I'm their father, like, I love them and I treat them, I always tell them I love them. I treat them like they're my s- my daughters, but I also treat them like they're my friends.

Paul Virzi 22:11 Right. Yeah. I, I do too. And one thing that I, I, I tell my kids too is, "You know, you're great and worth all the thi- all your insecurities are normal because we all have them-"

Joe Rogan 22:23 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 22:23 "... and you're gonna have them and you're gonna walk into a public situation and feel less than for some reason."

Joe Rogan 22:28 Sure.

Paul Virzi 22:28 "And, and, and don't. You're, you know, you... When I, when we say we love you and you're the fucking best, you, you are." And I got that from when, when Mike Tyson went to Cus D'Amato and he was a broken kid from-

Joe Rogan 22:40 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 22:40 ... from Brownsville, Brooklyn. And he was either gonna be... He had friends that were gangbanging. He was either gonna go to jail or get killed.

Joe Rogan 22:47 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 22:47 And this guy, Cus D'Amato, takes this 17-year-old or whatever, he's 16 to-

Joe Rogan 22:51 13. 13.

Paul Virzi 22:51 Oh, is he 13?

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 22:52 Oh, yeah. That's right. He started to compete at that... Takes this kid and he said he's sitting in his house eating dinner going, "I could rob that. I could take that vase."

Joe Rogan 23:00 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 23:00 "I could take this shit." And there's video of Cus D'Amato being like, "You're great. You're the bet- you're gonna be a champion." Lifting this kid up.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 23:07 And I always tell my son when he feels bad, I go, "Well, it's normal to feel like that. But you're the... You're a great kid. You're a great kid. You're smart and don't feel like that." And I don't think I have to worry about drugs with him, Joe, because my brother-in-law passed from an overdose at 30.

Joe Rogan 23:20 Oh.

Paul Virzi 23:21 And it fucked the family up and-

Joe Rogan 23:22 I can imagine.

Paul Virzi 23:23 ... they're, they're just like... My son too. My son is v- is very, very good in school and a good athlete but he's very... He's afraid of, of that.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 23:33 And, and I'm, I'm hoping that he can learn something from that, you know, and-

Joe Rogan 23:37 You can learn, definitely learn from people's mistakes.

Paul Virzi 23:39 Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough thing. And, you know, my wife's devastated and stuff so... And he's just like, we're like, "Look, you know, you know what happened to..." Now if my son goes out and has a beer, I get... He comes home and your son's been funneling beers, he's throwing up, fine. You know, that's... I'm, I'll be there for him but I'm gonna, I'm just gonna make sure that he doesn't do things to be cool-

Joe Rogan 23:57 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 23:57 ... that he doesn't wanna do.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 23:58 I don't want my kids doing things they don't wanna do but they're just doing it to be c- 'cause I did dumb shit 'cause I come from a broken home, so I had no security in my family. My parents got divorced.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 24:08 So I would, I would... You know, th- at 13 years old I was drinking.

Joe Rogan 24:12 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 24:12 Doing dumb shit.

Joe Rogan 24:13 I think that-... y- you know, it's, it's very important for kids to know that you went through a lot of bad shit too, in terms of, like, the way you think about things and the way you think about yourself. 'Cause, like, they see you now and you're successful and you got a Netflix special and you're fucking doing great on the road and everything. And it's like-

Paul Virzi 24:31 Yeah, thank you.

Joe Rogan 24:31 ... "Oh, Dad's a successful comedian. That's great. Dad's so funny, he's so confident. He goes out there and talks to all those people." You got to let them know, like, "No, I used to bomb. I sucked."

Paul Virzi 24:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:40 "I hated myself. I this, I that."

Paul Virzi 24:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Like, I think all that stuff is very important for kids to know, because people have this tendency to look at other people like they have it all sorted out, like they have it solved.

Paul Virzi 24:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:51 And, and, you know, and the kids look at themselves and they say, "I don't have those characteristics. I don't have those qualities."

Paul Virzi 24:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:58 And they, they feel like they're never gonna have them. So if you could tell them that y-... Like, I'm one of the things I always tell my kids is, like, when- whenever they fuck up and whenever they do something wrong, the f- one of the first things I say before I say, "Hey, you shouldn't have done that," I say, "Listen, I, I did that and more."

Paul Virzi 25:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:12 "I did all those things and more."

Paul Virzi 25:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:13 "I'm not upset at you."

Paul Virzi 25:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:15 I say, "This is- I'm upset that this happened, but this is just a part of being a human being and now we're gonna learn from this. We're gonna grow from this. So-"

Paul Virzi 25:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:22 "... you don't like it, you're upset with the way the, the result is and the way-"

Paul Virzi 25:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:25 "... things turned out, good."

Paul Virzi 25:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:26 "That's how we learn in life."

Paul Virzi 25:28 Yeah. And, and I'll tell them, I'll say, "You know, gaining confidence came from a lot of years."

Joe Rogan 25:34 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:34 You know? Gaining confidence came from a lot of years.

Joe Rogan 25:36 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:36 I would, I would walk into, you know... And, and you know what's funny, and you know this as, as a comedian, is some of the best shows I ever had was the most insecure-

Joe Rogan 25:44 Oh, yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:44 ... and fucking scared I was, dude.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Oh, yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:46 Scared. "Do I belong here?"

Joe Rogan 25:48 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:48 These fucking Montreal-

Joe Rogan 25:50 Oh, yeah.

Paul Virzi 25:50 This is the thing where every- if you look at the names and you're just like, "I looked up to that guy, I looked up to that..." You know, and now you're on there pacing, but you go out and, and one of the best sets I ever had in my fucking life to this day and, uh, was I opened for Burr at the Garden in the round. And dude, it was like, it was- I, I was, I was fucking- before I went up there I was just like, it was like a surreal nervous.

Joe Rogan 26:14 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 26:14 Just because I was prepared and ready, but I was like, I envisioned what I wanted to do.

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 26:18 But I was nervous as shit. And then I went out there and it all came together the way I wanted it to. But I tell my kids, I'm like, "The, I'm, I'm..." They were at my taping. They were at my Netflix taping. And you know, my daughter is 10 and she's just as little s- you know, she's like me. She's like, she looks like me. She's like Greek and Sicilian.

Joe Rogan 26:33 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 26:33 My son's like blonde hair, blue eyes, 'cause my wife is Scandinavian and stuff, so they look so different, you know. And my son is like, "I don't know if I'm... Is he gonna be all right, Mom?"

Joe Rogan 26:42 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 26:42 A- 'cause he's looking at the crowd. And I was like, "Yeah." (laughs) That's why, that's why... I'm gonna tell you this right now, dude. UFC fighters bringing their kids to the fu- to the octagon-

Joe Rogan 26:53 Crazy, right?

Paul Virzi 26:53 ... is the cr- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:54 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 26:54 "L- listen, Daddy might get put to sleep by another..."

Joe Rogan 26:56 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 26:56 Fuck that. But I was at-

Joe Rogan 26:58 D- did you see, uh, when Michael Chandler knocked out Tony Ferguson?

Paul Virzi 27:02 With the, with the kick? With the-

Joe Rogan 27:02 Front kick, yeah.

Paul Virzi 27:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:03 One of the first things he did.

Paul Virzi 27:05 Oof.

Joe Rogan 27:05 Got on top of the octagon, said, "Where's my son?" He started pointing.

Paul Virzi 27:10 Wow. Yeah. Yeah, th- that, I- my son wouldn't be able to-

Joe Rogan 27:14 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 27:14 You know.

Joe Rogan 27:15 Well, he was confident. I mean, that's a tough fight.

Paul Virzi 27:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:17 And the way he won, like, for him, it must have been like a giant relief that he won in front of his son, you know.

Paul Virzi 27:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:26 Like in... And then just he wanted to celebrate.

Paul Virzi 27:28 Yeah. Yeah, that must have-

Joe Rogan 27:29 That's heavy.

Paul Virzi 27:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:30 That's so much extra weight.

Paul Virzi 27:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:32 So much extra weight. Your kids, your wife. Oh my god, what if they see you get fucking head kicked? Ugh.

Paul Virzi 27:37 Dude, people don't understand the insecurity-

Joe Rogan 27:40 Ugh.

Paul Virzi 27:40 ... and emotion that go into this, man.

Joe Rogan 27:42 Man.

Paul Virzi 27:42 You know? I, uh, I'll be honest with you, Joe. I- I've been doing this for 20 years and nobody said... Everybody said no to me for 15 years in this business. Everybody.

Joe Rogan 27:53 That's probably good, though.

Paul Virzi 27:55 Every-fucking-body.

Joe Rogan 27:55 If everybody said yes-

Paul Virzi 27:57 Yes.

Joe Rogan 27:57 ... for 15 years.

Paul Virzi 27:58 Yeah, but after like 10 I was like, "All right, what the fuck?"

Joe Rogan 28:00 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 28:00 (laughs) It's like, "I just fucking killed..." You know? And, and I would have people going, "Yeah, man. It's, it's called killing in obscurity." And I would be in a fucking hotel room and Stacey, my wife, would go, "How'd the shows go?" And I go, "You know, I got fucking waitresses and people that have been there like years going, 'Dude, we see comedy all the time.' Like, 'You're one of the funniest guys that come here.' And, and you know what? I'm, I'm fucking... Nothing's happening."

Joe Rogan 28:23 Yeah, but it's supposed to be like that.

Paul Virzi 28:24 I- I know. I know. The- and, and it gets... But time kee- went on, and time went on, and time went on. And then finally when I was really nervous before the Netflix release, the night be-... And I knew what we did. I knew, I knew that the show was good. I knew it was better than my first one, and I knew that it was good. But I knew that it was better and I knew what- that we put together a really good show. But the night before, you get fucking like, you're like... And you wake up. And I woke up and I looked at my phone and the reviews started to come in. And you know, I don't like to look a lot but I just wanted to look at the initial. And I, dude, I was driving to the airport. I was driving to the airport and f- it was like the first time I- I actually got emotional where I'm... I wasn't like, "Ugh." You know (laughs) I wasn't like that, but I started to just think of leaving my family, getting on fucking airplanes. You know, all of the hotel rooms, everything, 20 years. Telling my wife like, "I'm working." My wife's seeing it. And then just everybody hitting me up saying this and that, and I just started to tear up. And I was just like, you know, "Wow." Like in my mind, not, not like made it in like industry's mind. Not made it rich fame-wise, but for me, to all of the shit that I did, to, to have a, a Comedy Central special which fucking nobody saw, and then, and then to, to end up doing this and, and having something out that people are just like, "Man, that was... I laughed the whole time." It made me feel good. And I got, I got emotional, man. And I, I just-

Joe Rogan 29:39 That's great.

Paul Virzi 29:39 And I thanked my wife. I just called her and I said, "Thank you for..." You know.

Joe Rogan 29:42 That's awesome.

Paul Virzi 29:42 You know? And then-

Joe Rogan 29:43 It's coming together. That's what it's supposed to be. And by- when you say the industry...... there's no industry anymore. It's not real.

Paul Virzi 29:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:50 It's not real. This is the industry. Right here.

Paul Virzi 29:52 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 This is the industry now. Like, no bullshit.

Paul Virzi 29:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:55 This is a real network-

Paul Virzi 29:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:56 ... in terms of like, all the comics that come in here.

Paul Virzi 29:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:59 We are, you know, we're all very supportive of each other.

Paul Virzi 30:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:01 Everybody is out there telling stories on the road and doing their thing and having a good time. And-

Paul Virzi 30:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:07 ... and t- saying, "Hey, you gotta go see Mark Normand. Hey, Shane Gillis is fucking killing it." And then, anybody who hears, you hear it on Twitter, you hear it on Instagram, and that's the real industry now. The industry is live-

Paul Virzi 30:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:17 ... standup and then recording live standup so people can see how good your shit is. That- that exists still.

Paul Virzi 30:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:22 But it only exists with us. We are the industry now.

Paul Virzi 30:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:26 There's no more gatekeepers. That shit's gone.

Paul Virzi 30:28 It is.

Joe Rogan 30:29 There's still Netflix, but guess what?

Paul Virzi 30:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 They're not necessary. You can put your shit on YouTube.

Paul Virzi 30:33 You can put your shit anywhere. Now. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Look at sh- Gillis is fucking killing it.

Paul Virzi 30:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:37 And he released his shit on N- on, on-

Paul Virzi 30:39 On YouTube.

Joe Rogan 30:39 ... YouTube in the height of his cancellation.

Paul Virzi 30:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:42 Right after his cancellation, he puts out this fucking phenomenal special on YouTube and he's even better now.

Paul Virzi 30:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:48 Like, i- i- that's the, that's the real industry now.

Paul Virzi 30:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:51 The... This is the best part of 2022 for comics-

Paul Virzi 30:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:54 ... is that we don't have gatekeepers anymore.

Paul Virzi 30:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:57 The gatekeepers are each other.

Paul Virzi 30:59 Yeah, you don't have to, you know, dance for somebody that's never lived in your shoes.

Joe Rogan 31:03 Well, they like g- you dancing too. That's what's gross.

Paul Virzi 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:07 I remember those meetings. It's like, "Who are the- these fucking uncreative people?" And they have terrible ideas.

Paul Virzi 31:12 Ugh. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 31:12 And they all wanna, like, put their fucking greasy little mitts all over your stuff.

Paul Virzi 31:16 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 31:16 And say, "Oh, I mean, I told him to wear that shirt."

Paul Virzi 31:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:18 "I told him to do it." You know? "I told him to open with this material. That m- the material he was gonna open for would've ruined the whole special."

Paul Virzi 31:25 Yeah. I know.

Joe Rogan 31:26 Ugh.

Paul Virzi 31:26 And d- leaving your f- I'd like, get up from dinner on a Tuesday to go run to The City for a $25 fucking spot-

Joe Rogan 31:33 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 31:33 ... for a fucking booker that everybody was afraid of.

Joe Rogan 31:35 Mm. Yeah.

Paul Virzi 31:36 What do I... You know? And it's really... Yeah, and you look back. I think COVID put things into perspective though, Joe. I was really like... 'Cause I think, I think the hamster wheel of like, what people were doing and then you sat back and you're like, "Wait a minute."

Joe Rogan 31:46 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 31:46 "Let me slow this down a little bit and fucking figure things out."

Joe Rogan 31:49 Yeah, a lot of people-

Paul Virzi 31:50 "Do things my way."

Joe Rogan 31:51 A lot of people changed their life during COVID, for the better. I mean, for a lot of people it was terrible. They lost their businesses and, you know, lost family members and shit. But it's not... it wasn't a good thing, but it was an... it was an opportunity to advance in- from adversity. Like, adversity gives you like, little doors-

Paul Virzi 32:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 32:07 ... where you're like, "Hey," you know, "you don't like what you're doing and now it- they're taking it away from you, so here's a chance."

Paul Virzi 32:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:13 "Here's a chance to like, think." 'Cause sometimes people get too comfortable in their patterns and you know, you think you're working hard-

Paul Virzi 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 ... but are you? You know, like, I mean, how much do you want this? Uh, w- what are you, what are you trying to do? Could you be putting in more effort? Could you be getting things done better?

Paul Virzi 32:26 Well, w- what about having short term and long term goals? That's really important. 'Cause a lot of people don't have that. A lot of people are just on that hamster wheel. "I'm gonna run around and do this spot and do that spot and do that spot." And it's like, all right, well, what are you g- what's... All right, you're getting that money. You're paying rent. But what are you... What's the end game?

Joe Rogan 32:40 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 32:40 What are you ultimately trying to do?

Joe Rogan 32:41 Well, what's your end game?

Paul Virzi 32:43 I just wanna... I stand... I always will stand up, man. I just wanna get better at standup. I wanna put every hour I put out-

Joe Rogan 32:49 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 32:49 ... I want it to be better. I wanna, I wanna do some acting 'cause I love that a little bit. You know, like here and there when I get parts, I kinda am like, "This is actually kind of fun to do." But my, my end game is to just keep getting better at standup and putting stuff out. I didn't drop outta college to do anything else. I didn't drop outta college to be y- you know, to, to do anything else but stand up and get better. And I'll do everything else that I have like, around it.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Right.

Paul Virzi 33:11 You know, you have to adapt.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Right.

Paul Virzi 33:13 You know, podcasts and do all that stuff.

Joe Rogan 33:14 Sure.

Paul Virzi 33:14 But I, I, you know, I love, I love telling a joke. I love telling a story. And I... and I... that's why I got into this, man. And my kee-

Joe Rogan 33:21 It's the best.

Paul Virzi 33:21 You know? Yeah, dude.

Joe Rogan 33:22 It's the best. Do you remember when you were an open micker and you just thought... the dream was just... Greg Fitzsimmons and I started out a week apart from each other. And you know, I just saw him l- a couple days ago in LA. We're, we're super tight.

Paul Virzi 33:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:35 And we would just sit around going, "Imagine what it would be like to pay your bills with comedy." That's the goal.

Paul Virzi 33:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:41 The goal was just to be a professional. We saw those guys in Boston that were g- were pros. And I l- I looked at them like, like, "How did they do it?" Like, the impossible dream.

Paul Virzi 33:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:53 They don't have a job. They-

Paul Virzi 33:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:54 These guys just golfed all day.

Paul Virzi 33:56 I know.

Joe Rogan 33:56 And they were drinking and they'd go-

Paul Virzi 33:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:58 ... on stage and kill and it'd be like, "Ugh." They were just... they were fucking heroes. I couldn't believe... And that, to this day, has always been the thing that I wanted the most that I didn't have. Like, when I think about things that I wanted, it wasn't like being a movie star or even a TV star. It was never those things. It was be a professional comedian. Like to me-

Paul Virzi 34:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:21 ... it was like a dream. Like could you... could it possibly happen?

Paul Virzi 34:25 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:25 You know?

Paul Virzi 34:26 I know. It... What's amazing is the things that you dream of, you get when you- when the work is put in and, and you put it out there. Like-

Joe Rogan 34:32 Sometimes. (laughs)

Paul Virzi 34:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:34 I know a bunch of people that still suck 20 minute- 20 years later.

Paul Virzi 34:37 Well then, then-

Joe Rogan 34:37 And they're fucking-

Paul Virzi 34:38 ... they shoulda fucking back-

Joe Rogan 34:38 I know.

Paul Virzi 34:39 Like, you know, after 20 years-

Joe Rogan 34:40 What are you... What are you-

Paul Virzi 34:41 ... what are you... Like, at some point did somebody that loves you go, "Hey, man."

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah, but someone coulda done that to you a year in.

Paul Virzi 34:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:46 You know? Like they've- if they came up to me a year in and said, "You suck." I'd be like, "Yeah."

Paul Virzi 34:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:51 "I kinda do suck." (laughs)

Paul Virzi 34:52 But- (laughs) but-

Joe Rogan 34:55 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 34:55 ... yeah, that set was. You're right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:57 That's like... that's just, you know, like who's to tell you-

Paul Virzi 35:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:00 ... that you can never figure it out? I don't know if-

Paul Virzi 35:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:02 ... and... It's hard... It's... You have to have a level of awareness, self-awareness. I think one of the things that holds people back is they're delusional. Like, they think they're better than they are and they think they're doing great and then, you know, you don't... there's no laughs. The audience isn't laughing.

Paul Virzi 35:15 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:15 And they think they're, you know, they think they're better than they are, like they're protecting themselves-

Paul Virzi 35:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:19 ... from the truth. You know?

Paul Virzi 35:21 Yeah. That's, that's... But do you think they, uh... Do you think they know, really know?

Joe Rogan 35:25 I don't... I think there's a lot of people that run through this world and they think they look great when they look like shit and they think they're skinny when they're fat and they think they're smart when they're dumb.

Paul Virzi 35:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:33 There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people out there-

Paul Virzi 35:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:37 They're just delusional.

Paul Virzi 35:38 I just pictured like some fat fuck going, "I look great." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:41 "I'm looking fucking great."

Paul Virzi 35:42 And you're like, "Nah, dude."

Joe Rogan 35:43 But it's... The thing is it's like the feeling that sucks about not being good, about being fat, about being a loser, that, that feeling that sucks is a motivational tool. And some people don't like the feel... No one likes the feeling, right? No one likes the feeling of being a loser.

Paul Virzi 35:59 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:00 But, but being a loser is good for you, because it teaches you that that sucks and it feels awful. And if you can get some progress going in your life, and, and start moving forward in your life-

Paul Virzi 36:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:10 ... you'll feel good.

Paul Virzi 36:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:11 And then you'll remember what it let- felt like to be a loser, and you're like, "Oh, I get... That is my fuel. That's my motivation."

Paul Virzi 36:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:19 I can... And then the good feeling that comes with like a successful set-

Paul Virzi 36:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:23 ... or like filming a successful special-

Paul Virzi 36:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:25 ... it's like my God.

Paul Virzi 36:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:26 Like that feeling is magic.

Paul Virzi 36:28 It's... It... Yeah. I think it's two things, though. I think being funny and being a good comedian are two different worlds.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Oh, yeah.

Paul Virzi 36:35 You know? I... You know, from day one, I would get laughs, but it wasn't with good shit.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Right.

Paul Virzi 36:38 It was dumb shit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 But that's just 'cause you're trying to do well.

Paul Virzi 36:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 Okay?

Paul Virzi 36:42 Like I remember... I remember one of the fir- (laughs) one of the first jokes I had, one of my first openers, and it killed. It was fucking t-

Joe Rogan 36:48 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 36:48 I was like, "Yeah, I broke up with my girlfriend. She, she said I wasn't close enough with her family, so I fucked her sister."

Joe Rogan 36:54 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 36:54 And then they got more mad. I was like, "It wasn't gonna be her brother." Like it was horrible, you know?

Joe Rogan 36:58 That's, that's funny.

Paul Virzi 36:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:59 I actually like it. I think you should bring that back. (laughs)

Paul Virzi 37:03 But, but... (laughs) But here's the thing.

Joe Rogan 37:03 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 37:03 So I would get laughs, but it wasn't-

Joe Rogan 37:05 Right.

Paul Virzi 37:05 ... it wasn't really a good constructive-

Joe Rogan 37:07 Right.

Paul Virzi 37:07 But so, so it was like you wanna be the best of the shittiest at that moment.

Joe Rogan 37:11 Right.

Paul Virzi 37:12 Of... Like when you do the open mics and there's eight, nine open mics, you wanna be at the top of that and you move. But then you start to... when you start to really craft a joke and you start to watch a joke.

Joe Rogan 37:20 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:20 And the best is when somebody who's f- like one of the motherfuckers in the game is like, "Dude, that joke you just did, that sh-" And then you're like, "Oh, shit."

Joe Rogan 37:29 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:30 That took... That's... People don't realize what that does.

Joe Rogan 37:32 That's nice.

Paul Virzi 37:32 Th- Nothing is worse than when a fucking great comic is, is rude or passes you over, 'cause it hurts.

Joe Rogan 37:40 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:40 It hurts you.

Joe Rogan 37:40 It hurts.

Paul Virzi 37:41 And it does... And you don't forget it.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:42 You know? You don't... You never forget the good, but you ne- I'm Sicilian, I never forget the fucking bad.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:48 It knows-

Paul Virzi 37:48 Which is a bad thing, but...

Joe Rogan 37:49 A kind word from someone-

Paul Virzi 37:51 Uh-

Joe Rogan 37:51 ... when you're just starting out can go a long way.

Paul Virzi 37:53 People don't realize what that does.

Joe Rogan 37:54 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 37:55 What that does. You go home and you're just like-

Joe Rogan 37:57 It was giant.

Paul Virzi 37:57 Oh, I was... I... The, the set that I had at The Garden, somebody was like, "Dude, Questlove and, and Chris Rock are in there. Chris Rock just said you killed."

Joe Rogan 38:04 Ah.

Paul Virzi 38:04 Right? So, so then I'm all excited, but listen to this shit. (laughs) So then I walk out, Joe, of like... of our dressing room. I, I was in a dressing room. It was like, uh, me and Joe Bartnick had our own thing, Bill's in the other thing, and we were just... And I go, "Hold on, let me go get something." And I walk out, dude, and it's me and Chris Rock after the set I- of my life, and he said I killed. And I'm going, "Here it comes." And he's walking and I'm walking, and we just made eye contact, and he just kept walking, dude. And I was like, "Fuck, I..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:30 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 38:31 I was like, "Fuck, I know you wanted to. Uh, you just saw. You just said I killed. Come on, man."

Joe Rogan 38:35 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 38:35 But it... (laughs) You fucking... Come on, give it to-

Joe Rogan 38:39 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 38:39 Um... Oh, dude, you'll love this. One of the first times I'm headlining, I'm in, I'm in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, or right outside Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, at a place called Carolina Comedy Club. It's not there anymore. And I was just able to headline a B-room. Okay? So you figure there's a good 45 minutes, nothing great. And they got the local radio guy opening, and this kid's fucking killing. I mean, he's fucking... He's doing local shit.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Local shit.

Paul Virzi 39:08 These people are just fucking... People are jumping off... You know, and I come out there and I could have... I'm like, "Look at this fucking Yankee." Like I... You know? And I'm fighting through it, I'm fighting through it. But you know who was... Jordan Rock, Chris's youngest brother, who does standup, he was hosting.

Joe Rogan 39:22 I don't know him. I know Tony.

Paul Virzi 39:23 Yeah, there's three of them.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Oh, wow.

Paul Virzi 39:24 There's three of them that do s- There's like a... There's like seven of them, but there's three that do... Oh, Tony's fucking incredible, man.

Joe Rogan 39:28 He's fun.

Paul Virzi 39:29 Oh, dude, he's one of the...

Joe Rogan 39:29 Tony's one of the so underrated...

Paul Virzi 39:31 I, I said that. I said Tony's one of the most underrated com... Dude, I, I opened for him like eight years ago, and I went in to go watch him for five minutes, and I just stayed there for 40 'cause he was killing. But their younger brother, their youngest brother, Jordan, he was hosting. And I'm up there in South Carolina, they love the middle, I started to win them, but there were two people in the crowd that were smiling and laughing that gave me the strength and energy to just... I mean, I had it anyway, but like they... I was like looking to them, and it was Chris Rock's mother. It was Chris Rock's mother and her friend.

Joe Rogan 39:59 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 39:59 And she's just laughing. And she had the New York thing-

Joe Rogan 40:02 Wow.

Paul Virzi 40:03 ... so, so... Yeah. And like she... And then afterwards I went up to her and I said, "Hey, I gotta tell you something." I said, "I was up there. I was struggling. They... You know? And I was trying to find it, and, uh, you're laughing." And she's like, "Oh my God, no. That was so good," this and that. And, and I told her, you know, and she was telling me about how Eddie was cr- um, Chris's guy, because E- my hero was Eddie.

Joe Rogan 40:22 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 40:22 Eddie, for me, my dad took me to... and my brother to see Raw when I was 10, 1987-

Joe Rogan 40:28 Ah.

Paul Virzi 40:28 ... at Movieland in Yonkers. And my, my grandmother and mother were like, "You can't take him to that." And he's like, "Nah, okay, I won't." He took u- he took us. And I just remember being there. And for you, it was probably Delirious, right?

Joe Rogan 40:40 No. Well, m- well, for Eddie-

Paul Virzi 40:42 Eddie?

Joe Rogan 40:42 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 40:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:42 Eddie, it was Delirious. But for me, my parents took me to see Live on the Sunset Strip-

Paul Virzi 40:46 Oh.

Joe Rogan 40:47 ... when I was like, I guess I was like 14 or 15. I was like, uh, first or second year of high school. And I'll never forget that moment-

Paul Virzi 40:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:53 ... 'cause I couldn't believe how funny he was. I had seen movies like Stripes, really funny movies-

Paul Virzi 40:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:58 ... and I laughed really hard, but not like this.

Paul Virzi 41:01 It's, uh... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:01 I remember very clearly look- looking around while the movie was going on, while everybody was just falling out of their chair laughing, like laughing so hard.

Paul Virzi 41:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:09 And I was like, "This is incredible. All he's doing is talking."

Paul Virzi 41:12 I know. I know. Dude, when, when Eddie was just walking around talking about his drunk father telling his mother she can't leave the house-

Joe Rogan 41:20 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:21 ... going to Lillian-

Joe Rogan 41:22 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:22 ... and they never...

Joe Rogan 41:22 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:23 And I'm just... I'm 10. So how does that resonate with a 10 year... And I just was like, "Oh my God, he was..."

Joe Rogan 41:28 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:28 He put me in a movie.

Joe Rogan 41:29 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:29 Like he put me... I pictured his father in the kitchen writing that, and I'm just sitting there locked in and I was like, "This is the dude, man."

Joe Rogan 41:36 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 41:36 "This is the dude." And how nuts is it that he was done at 25 as far as stand- he did Raw at 25 and Delirious at 22.

Joe Rogan 41:42 That's nuts.

Paul Virzi 41:43 How fucking nuts is that?

Joe Rogan 41:44 He's still so good. We-

Paul Virzi 41:46 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 41:46 We played a thing the other day when we did a Protect Our Parks podcast with Gillis and Normand and Ari.

Paul Virzi 41:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:51 And, uh, we watched this clip of him accepting an award, and he goes up and accepts an award and then does some standup. He talked about Bill Cosby, did a Bill Cosby impression about them taking away Bill Cosby's awards. It was fucking good, man. Like solid timing.

Paul Virzi 42:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Like if he got back into it now, he would be one of the fucking greatest comics alive.

Paul Virzi 42:12 I think so.

Joe Rogan 42:12 He could still do it.

Paul Virzi 42:13 I think so.

Joe Rogan 42:14 I hope he does... Like there was talk a few years ago about him doing-

Paul Virzi 42:18 He could still do it.

Joe Rogan 42:18 ... a Netflix special, but I think for a guy like him, it's just like, you know...... it's hard to, like, you gotta do, you gotta just show up and start doing sets and then, you know-

Paul Virzi 42:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:28 It's so easy for him to just show up on a movie set and he's the fucking man.

Paul Virzi 42:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 You know, he doesn't have to worry about anything. He just, his catering is there, he just, you know-

Paul Virzi 42:38 I think he, I agree, I think it would be great but the work he's gotta do, you know-

Joe Rogan 42:41 No, it's a lot of work.

Paul Virzi 42:42 ... he's gotta go out for a couple of years, year and a half, two years, and really hit the clubs, at least, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:47 At least, at least. What does it say here?

Narrator 42:48 This is the interview he gave with Kevin Hart about a year ago.

Joe Rogan 42:52 "Because my plan was to do Dolemite, Saturday Night Live, Coming to America, and then do standup. And then the pandemic hit." Motherfucker.

Paul Virzi 43:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 "And it shut the whole shit down. Then I was going, the whole time last year I would've been out working on my act, trying to get my shit right, and then the whole thing shut down. Hey, when the pandemic is over and it's safe for everybody to go out and do it, then the plan is to do it." All right. Well, the pandemic's over, Eddie.

Paul Virzi 43:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:16 Come on, man.

Paul Virzi 43:17 Come out.

Joe Rogan 43:17 Come out.

Paul Virzi 43:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:18 Come out. Come down to the Vulcan. Tuesday and Wednesday nights, Austin, Texas.

Paul Virzi 43:22 I love Kevin.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Come on down, man.

Narrator 43:23 It'd be amazing.

Joe Rogan 43:24 We had Roseanne go up. Roseanne went up, she hadn't done standup in fucking years. And we, we, it was Stanhope, me, Ron White, and Roseanne.

Paul Virzi 43:32 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 43:33 And, and Tony Hinchcliffe, and I think Hans Kim was on the show too. Yeah, Hans Kim was on the show too. And Roseanne went up and fucking murdered. I mean, murdered.

Paul Virzi 43:42 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Murdered.

Paul Virzi 43:44 How long had she not been on?

Joe Rogan 43:45 Years.

Paul Virzi 43:46 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Years.

Paul Virzi 43:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Since all that shit happened. I know that shit was, uh, with her, was at least, when she got canceled and kicked off her show, that was at least four years ago, right? Wasn't it like three years ago, four year- 'cause we were at the old, old studio.

Narrator 43:59 Yeah. I think she had mentioned doing something with Dice briefly, but it was right around that time too. So maybe she did like a couple of sets with him or something, but I don't know to what extent.

Joe Rogan 44:09 She's moving here.

Paul Virzi 44:10 Is she?

Joe Rogan 44:10 Yeah. She's moving to Texas.

Paul Virzi 44:12 (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 44:12 She sends me messages all the time.

Paul Virzi 44:13 That's funny.

Joe Rogan 44:14 She s- she sent me a text message the other day, "Fuck yeah, Texas." Just outta nowhere.

Paul Virzi 44:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:17 That's it?

Paul Virzi 44:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:18 (laughs) It's for me.

Paul Virzi 44:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:20 Dude, I'm such a fan. I get a text message from Roseanne Barr-

Paul Virzi 44:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:23 ... like every now and then I'll get one from, like, Dice Clay.

Paul Virzi 44:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:25 And I'm like, "What the fuck, man? Dice Clay texted me." It's wild.

Paul Virzi 44:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:30 You know?

Paul Virzi 44:30 It's, it's crazy, man. You know who had influenced me that y- probably has nothing to do with my style, but was Rodney because my dad was such a Rodney fan.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Oh.

Paul Virzi 44:39 So he took us to Radio City to see Rodney the, during the back to school like time-

Joe Rogan 44:44 Ah.

Paul Virzi 44:44 ... during the height of that and, and, uh, yeah. And so that's the thing, like, my parents had this, like, brutal, like, weird, awful divorce in the, in the early '80s and my dad, I only got to spend time with my dad on Sundays. The courts only gave, the courts were always, you know, it's always more-

Joe Rogan 44:58 Right.

Paul Virzi 44:58 ... difficult for the, for the father, but in the '80s especially. But my father had all day Sunday with us and three hours Wednesday. That's it.

Joe Rogan 45:06 Damn.

Paul Virzi 45:06 So my father had, my father had like 12, 11, 12 hours with his, with his boys a week and, um, you know, but we just c- yeah, he loved comedy, he loved movies. They would have w- even when they were married, I remember I was five years old before they got divorced, but like Johnny Carson would be on. They would, it was always around and like that's the one thing, even though this horrible shit went down, it was like they had good senses of humor.

Joe Rogan 45:28 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 45:28 And, and it was like, so E- Eddie and Rodney were like the things that introduced me to standup.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Comedy is important, man. It's, I mean, I know, I'm not saying that to be a self-important person because I'm a comedian. But I mean, for me, just for me, if I never did comedy again, comedy is important for me just because like to laugh at things. You know what I fucking love? Memes.

Paul Virzi 45:47 Oh.

Joe Rogan 45:48 The, the fucking internet provides me with so much goddam. The, the f- my friends, like the-

Paul Virzi 45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:53 ... memes that we send each other back and forth-

Paul Virzi 45:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:56 ... they're just fun. I don't know who's doing them, I don't know who's making them.

Paul Virzi 45:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:59 You know? I mean, I wish I knew all the guys who made all the memes so that I could credit them, but-

Paul Virzi 46:03 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 46:04 ... my God, there's some funny sh- it's a totally different kind of comedy.

Paul Virzi 46:07 Yeah. Dude, I, I lo- I don't watch com- I don't watch standup now. I don't really watch st- I'll, if a clip pops up, now that I'm like trying to work hours and going, I don't like to watch standup and I don't watch specials. I don't. I, I, but if a clip pops up, like dude, this one kid, we were talk- oh my God, his last name was Koff. I think I'm gonna screw it up. I should-

Joe Rogan 46:25 Koff?

Paul Virzi 46:25 ... remember this kid's name. Like, uh, Goff or Koff or something like that. K-O-F-F. But he had a joke, not my style, and I was fucking crying. He goes, he goes... just I love when things just pop up. He goes... I don't know the guy. I, I f- but I messaged him after, I go, "Dude, I don't know you." I go, "This is fu-" He goes, "I don't know why people are afraid of werewolves." He goes, "We already have wolves and there are wolves all of the time."

Joe Rogan 46:46 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 46:46 He goes, "That'd be like somebody going, 'You know what would make this grizzly attack worse? If this bear was sometimes an accountant.'"

Joe Rogan 46:52 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 46:52 And I just fucking thought about that. (laughs) I'm going-

Joe Rogan 46:55 It's funny.

Paul Virzi 46:55 And it's so true. It's like-

Joe Rogan 46:56 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 46:56 ... 'cause a wolf is always a wolf.

Joe Rogan 46:57 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 46:58 And we worry about the man turning into the wolf. And I go, "Dude, that's so funny." And I probably even butchered it a little bit. But dude, uh, I was just like, that is real... So I love shit like that.

Joe Rogan 47:06 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 47:06 When something outta nowhere just gets you.

Joe Rogan 47:08 Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's a beautiful thing. Be able to... Like, that's one of the things that separates us from all the other animals. We, we have, we communicate and we say absurd things. And it's, it's f- it's, well, it's like a drug. It's like there's something-

Paul Virzi 47:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:23 ... about watching someone kill that to me, even to this day-

Paul Virzi 47:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:27 ... it makes me feel better. It's like I just took a drug that made me feel better. I'm laughing. I'm having a good time.

Paul Virzi 47:33 The feeling you get when a big group of people is crying laughing because of you.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 47:38 And I'm talking about like when you see somebody, like I love seeing the couple, but I love seeing the woman go like, I love seeing the woman go like this-

Joe Rogan 47:46 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 47:46 ... and the husband comes up after like, "Dude, she, she's f- she was crying laughing. I love seeing my wife cry."

Joe Rogan 47:51 Yeah. Yeah.

Paul Virzi 47:51 That's just such a cool emotion to give somebody 'cause it's the only job-

Joe Rogan 47:54 It's nice.

Paul Virzi 47:54 It's the only job where that happens.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 47:56 You actually make somebody, you know... And what about when somebody's like, "Hey, man, things were going really..." You know, I went to, I went to Buffalo right after that shooting.

Joe Rogan 48:04 Mm-hmm.

Paul Virzi 48:04 And, and I felt bad even promo-

Joe Rogan 48:05 You worked there?

Paul Virzi 48:05 And I f- and I felt bad, Joe, even promoting the shows.

Joe Rogan 48:08 I can imagine.

Paul Virzi 48:09 'Cause I'm like, I didn't want to be like, "Hey, I'm gonna be at Helium in B-" You know, and it was right after. But I went out there and the people came out and I could tell. It was, it was weird. And, and after the show they were like, "Hey, man. Thank you so much." And it ended up being a great time and people were just like, "Hey, things have been really weird in this town." And it kind of felt good to ju-... I did a one-nighter there. I just, you know, working on some stuff. I went out there, did a Thursday night in Buffalo, and they were just like, "That was awesome, man. Thank you. This town needed it." That is the on- this is the only job where that really happens, man. And it's a special thing and it's a, it's a, it's an amazing thing.

Joe Rogan 48:40 ... on the other hand, if you bomb, people got babysitters-

Paul Virzi 48:44 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 48:44 ... and their fucking... They have to jump-

Paul Virzi 48:45 Didn't you see the shooting? What the fuck? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:47 Yeah. They have to go to work in the morning.

Paul Virzi 48:49 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 48:49 So they're up late, they're mad.

Paul Virzi 48:51 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 48:51 You know, meandering, you're, through your fucking shitty set.

Paul Virzi 48:54 Ugh, that would be brutal, dude. After a shooting? Just-

Joe Rogan 48:58 It'd be... Not even after a shooting, just a regular day.

Paul Virzi 49:00 Oh, yeah, (laughs) I know. But I don't wanna come at a dumb-

Joe Rogan 49:01 Any, any time.

Paul Virzi 49:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:02 You know, the, the, that's the flip side. You can make people feel... It's just a, it's a great responsibility. You have all these people's attention, that it's on your, on your head. You have to, you know... Like, that's why I hate a bad special. When I watch someone do a, like a lazy special, or a sloppy, half-cooked special, I'm like, "My God." You know? Like, you, you... What are you doing?

Paul Virzi 49:24 Do you watch them all?

Joe Rogan 49:25 No.

Paul Virzi 49:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:26 No, I don't watch them all. I watch some specials.

Paul Virzi 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 You know, I'll watch someone. Oh, I watched, uh, uh, you know, I'm... When was the last one I wa- oh, I watched Ricky Gervais.

Paul Virzi 49:34 Mm.

Joe Rogan 49:34 I watched, not all of it, but I watched, like, the first 15 minutes, all the trans stuff. Fucking hilarious.

Paul Virzi 49:40 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:41 And he went for it. I mean, in this day and age, I was like... I was kinda shocked that Netflix put it out.

Paul Virzi 49:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:47 But, but they put out that letter before they put it out saying like, "If you don't-"

Paul Virzi 49:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:51 "... want to work with people whose content you don't agree with, please leave."

Paul Virzi 49:54 I love that.

Joe Rogan 49:55 I love that too.

Paul Virzi 49:55 And I think more comedy clubs should do that.

Joe Rogan 49:57 Well, it's not a comedy club-

Paul Virzi 49:58 Good.

Joe Rogan 49:58 ... it's Netflix.

Paul Virzi 49:59 Yeah, no-

Joe Rogan 49:59 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 49:59 ... but I think comedy clubs should have a disclaimer, outside, before you walk in. I've had pe- well, people are still, in New York City, and as much as I love New York City man-

Joe Rogan 50:06 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 50:06 And New York City's, New York City... I'm gonna tell you man, when New York City is popping, and there's no pandemic, and the comedy clubs are packed, I don't know where is... I mean, it's, it's as good as it can be. But, but now, lately, there's always, always a table or two of "Why would? Why?" You know, and, "Don't say that. Don't." And you could-

Joe Rogan 50:25 Wokesters.

Paul Virzi 50:26 ... and you could, and you could see, you could see him shut down, and you could see this. You know?

Joe Rogan 50:31 Let them shut down.

Paul Virzi 50:31 And it's like, well, of course.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Fuck off.

Paul Virzi 50:32 Of course, yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:33 But that's just... You know, when Ari said it best, he said, "Those people aren't even from New York." He goes like, "They grew up in Maine, and they have this idea of what you're supposed to be when they come to New York."

Paul Virzi 50:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:42 So they come to New York, they dye their hair blue, and they start complaining about everything.

Paul Virzi 50:45 That's true, but there are some New York liberals that were like-

Joe Rogan 50:49 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 50:49 You know. There's, there's, you know, it's... That's really, really, like, over the top. You know, over the top.

Joe Rogan 50:54 Yeah, um, Schultz was telling me that. He's telling me that he did some sets, and like two sets in a row people got upset at his subject matter. He's like, "Gimme time. I'm going somewhere with this."

Paul Virzi 51:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:04 Like, don't just fucking get upset at a premise. Like-

Paul Virzi 51:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:07 ... the thing about comedy is you could set up a premise where it seems like you're gonna say something awful, it seems awful-

Paul Virzi 51:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:13 ... and then by the end of the joke, it's on you.

Paul Virzi 51:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:16 'Cause you're the one who's the b- the brunt of the joke, and it's, it's not awful. But j- if you interrupt it in the fucking beginning-

Paul Virzi 51:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:23 ... you're gonna ruin everything.

Paul Virzi 51:24 See where I'm going? I'm gonna take you somewhere.

Joe Rogan 51:27 Yeah, yeah. I had this bit, this lady who was, she, it turned out she was like an executive at some television, um, network. Which makes sense that she was so confident. She interrupted, twice she interrupted my set. And to, to like, about, I was doing this bit. I said, "Women can do everything men can do, right?"

Paul Virzi 51:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:46 And, and she was like, "Yeah." I go, "No, that's not true."

Paul Virzi 51:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:49 I go, "Here's why it's not true. 'Cause men can't do everything men can do. That's why we have the Olympics."

Paul Virzi 51:53 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 51:54 I'm like, "There's different level-

Paul Virzi 51:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:55 ... there's different shit people can't do."

Paul Virzi 51:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Because it was a, uh, it was a bit about this, uh, there was a woman who was guarding the White House. She didn't have a gun. She was at the front door of the White House.

Paul Virzi 52:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:04 And some crazy guy hopped the fence, ran across the White House. The dude who was supposed to be like with the dogs was on the phone. All right? So there's a guy with a dog-

Paul Virzi 52:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:12 ... that's supposed to be w- he's on the phone, probably talking to his girlfriend or something like that.

Paul Virzi 52:16 Ah.

Joe Rogan 52:16 And the woman who's guarding the front door, the door's wide open-

Paul Virzi 52:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:20 ... she doesn't have a gun. The guy opens the door, and the whole bit was like that this guy's running probably, "Is this my last step? Is this the last step of my life?"

Paul Virzi 52:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:27 Like, he's thinking at any moment-

Paul Virzi 52:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 52:28 ... they're gonna fucking shoot him.

Paul Virzi 52:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:30 He gets all the way to the door, opens it, there's a girl there, no gun. Smacks her to the ground-

Paul Virzi 52:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:35 ... and goes running through.

Paul Virzi 52:36 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 52:37 And it's cr- it's a crazy story. And the Secret Service guy who was having coffee, who wasn't even on duty, guy who was having coffee, sees this guy run through the White House and tackles him.

Paul Virzi 52:45 Wow.

Joe Rogan 52:45 That's, that's how they caught the guy. They, nobody knew if he had a gun, nobody knew if he had a bomb. No nothing, right?

Paul Virzi 52:51 Y-

Joe Rogan 52:51 And th- this, the idea was like, the, the premise was that it w- they shouldn't have a woman guarding the front door of the White House. I go, "You know how I know this?" I go, "Because I shouldn't be guarding the front door of the White House."

Paul Virzi 53:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:03 "You know how I know this? Because I met Shaquille O'Neal-"

Paul Virzi 53:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:06 "... and his dick is where my face is."

Paul Virzi 53:08 That's, uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:08 I'm like, "If the White House is experiencing a Shaq attack, I'm the wrong dude to save the world."

Paul Virzi 53:12 Yeah, that's good (laughs) . That's... What did the-

Joe Rogan 53:13 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 53:13 ... dog do? Did, did the dog-

Joe Rogan 53:15 Well, the dog, the guy had the dogs. Like he's got them, like, in a kennel or something like that. And you would just release them if somebody went running through. But the guy wasn't paying attention.

Paul Virzi 53:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 53:25 People get sloppy. They get lazy-

Paul Virzi 53:27 Yeah, but they, but I mean-

Joe Rogan 53:27 ... and that's when shit happens.

Paul Virzi 53:28 Yeah, get lazy at like (laughs) a hospital fucking entrance, not at the White House. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah, but people are fucking lazy, man.

Paul Virzi 53:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:34 They don't... Uh, days become days, it becomes normal that nothing happens-

Paul Virzi 53:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:38 ... and you get la-

Paul Virzi 53:39 That's right.

Joe Rogan 53:39 ... you get slack.

Paul Virzi 53:40 Yeah, that's wi- have you ever-

Joe Rogan 53:41 But this lady interrupted. She kept interrupting. I go, "No. I'm gonna explain to you where the bit goes."

Paul Virzi 53:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:46 "See, the bit is making fun of me. I'm gonna get to me."

Paul Virzi 53:48 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:49 And then so I had to like ex- And then she fucking did it again. I'm like, "Get this cunt out of here." And then I called her a cunt.

Paul Virzi 53:54 Oh.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Which is not... Because all I could, clamped up.

Paul Virzi 53:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:56 I'm like, "Get, please. If anybody's a cunt."

Paul Virzi 54:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:02 ... this lady-

Paul Virzi 54:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:02 ... who just keeps interrupting jokes.

Paul Virzi 54:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:05 She had been doing that to the person before too, though, and they were trying to like work their way through it and it wasn't working out.

Paul Virzi 54:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:11 So, I was kinda prepared for her, and I tried to be nice. I gave her two chances, but she kept doing it.

Paul Virzi 54:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:16 And then we got her kicked out.

Paul Virzi 54:17 I was doing... Yeah. No, it's, it's people don't understand, like, I was making fun of the lunacy of punching ... that Asians were getting punched in the face randomly in New York City because of COVID. And I was just making fun of the lunacy of it. I was joking around. I, I think I said something like, uh, what did I... I just go, "Uh, guys, any jokes off-limits?" Like, it was, like, right when things got bad.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Oh, no.

Paul Virzi 54:35 "Any jokes off-limits, guys?" And they go, "No, bring it." I go, "Come on, guys." I go, "This is liberal New York, guys. Guys, any jokes off-" "No, bring it." And I'm like, "All right." So things started, like... Ah, man, I'm exhausted. Like, I was running around Times Square all day looking for Chinese people to punch in the face. Totally, totally just goof. And like, but people laughing and I- I'm making fun of the people that fucking do that. And this one, this one, like, really woke. He was like, "Oh, that's hilarious, huh? You're hitting..." And I, and I was just like, "Dude, come on, I'm d-" It's like e- everybody, even an Asian dude in the front's laughing his ass off. Like, I'm not, it's not, I'm not doing that. I'm making fun of the lunacy of it. But that's what you get in New York, you know? My WNBA joke, you just wind up, "Misogynist!" And then they'll yell and put their head down. That, that, that unfortunately is going on.

Joe Rogan 55:16 Yeah, but that's why you should-

Paul Virzi 55:18 But that's gonna happen to you.

Joe Rogan 55:18 ... get the fuck out of New York.

Paul Virzi 55:20 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:21 Polluted, shitty city.

Paul Virzi 55:23 Oh, dude, I did the Vulcan, I headlined the Vulcan here, and I was just like, "This is fucking incredible."

Joe Rogan 55:26 It's wild.

Paul Virzi 55:27 Dude-

Joe Rogan 55:27 Right?

Paul Virzi 55:27 It's, it was, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 55:28 Texas is a lot more fun.

Paul Virzi 55:29 It's f- it felt like what it should be, man.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah. And Texas, I mean, this is Austin. Austin's a very progressive city, very liberal city. But they're healthy liberal. Like, for the most part.

Paul Virzi 55:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:39 There's crazy people here. But there's, it's a healthy level of liberal. You know, they're, they're just kind people, progressive, educated people. But New York is like a, there's a thing going on there now where they think they're gonna revolutionize culture. They're gonna change culture and they're gonna force everybody to think the way they think.

Paul Virzi 55:56 I got no problem with liberal. It's beyond liberal. Like, like-

Joe Rogan 56:00 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 56:00 ... far, far right and far, far left, that's like the issue. I got no problem with somebody Democrat or Republican, it's the people that take it to a level that's just like, "Can I say something? Can I have a fucking opinion on something?"

Joe Rogan 56:10 Right.

Paul Virzi 56:11 "And if that opinion doesn't fit ..." You know, one thing that I, I, I saw, and, and I know people talk about, you know, the Kanye West thing, but like, Kanye, being ... It's fucking really abusive to call somebody crazy because they don't agree or they, uh, like somebody that you don't like. Now listen, I know Kanye West probably has his, has his issues-

Joe Rogan 56:32 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 56:32 ... like we all do, but calling somebody crazy because they don't fall with the narrative or because they may like somebody politically like that, like that's fucking, that's evil, man.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Well, he's crazy.

Paul Virzi 56:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:45 But he's, he's crazy in a, a brilliant way. Like, Kanye West is a genius. He's a legitimate genius.

Paul Virzi 56:51 Yeah, no, you, you could tell.

Joe Rogan 56:52 He's a fascinating guy to talk to, too, 'cause you could tell, it's, he has a hard time having a conversation because I think ideas are just spinning around that dude's head like a mile a minute. He wanted to redo the studio. When he came in to do the podcast, he wanted to design a studio. He was gonna get a warehouse and have a studio built that looked like the inside of a womb.

Paul Virzi 57:14 What?

Joe Rogan 57:14 He had... Dude, he had drawings. He was showing me, we were on a FaceTime, and he's showing me the images that he had drafted, that people had made for him-

Paul Virzi 57:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:25 ... about this design that he wanted to do. The only thing that fucked it up-

Paul Virzi 57:27 Was-

Joe Rogan 57:28 ... was that Jamie got COVID, and it would've been complicated to like move everything to another place, and Red Band sat in for Jamie.

Paul Virzi 57:36 You guys talked him into it.

Joe Rogan 57:36 Yeah, I was like, "Fuck it."

Paul Virzi 57:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 57:37 "You wanna do it?" I thought it'd be fun. If, if Kanye wanted to do it... Look, the fact that he wanted to do the podcast was cool, and the fact that he wanted to make his own set, I'm like, "Fuck yeah, let's do it."

Paul Virzi 57:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:46 But it, it got to the point where I was like, "Listen, man, we're, we're kind of fucked here, so let's just do the other studio." And he's like, "I understand."

Paul Virzi 57:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 57:53 He's reasonable, but he's... I just, I think he's grappling with a, a level of creativity that most of us could only dream of. You know? I think the m- the ideas that are bouncing around in his head.

Paul Virzi 58:05 Sure.

Joe Rogan 58:05 You know, I had my own-

Paul Virzi 58:07 But-

Joe Rogan 58:07 ... misconceptions about him before I met him and talked to him. He's actually a very nice guy. But it's just, you know, he's a m- a mad genius.

Paul Virzi 58:15 Would he have been as demonized though if he didn't, you know, l- support Trump? Or, you know, that, that's my only thing. And I'm not saying, uh, everything he says I agreed with, but as soon as he did that and said, "Hey, like, let's see what this guy has to say," and I would do this for anybody, whether it was Trump or the other side, but as soon as he said that, when, since the media didn't like that, it felt like it was just like, "Is he okay?"

Joe Rogan 58:37 Yeah, he was definitely not demonized before that the way he was afterwards. I mean, everybody thought he was like eccentric before that, and then they, they thought he was crazy. But you know why, one of the reasons why he did that is 'cause Obama called him a jackass. O- Obama shit on him. And so I think it, it-

Paul Virzi 58:51 Called him a jackass?

Joe Rogan 58:51 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is kind of crazy for the president.

Paul Virzi 58:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:55 It's very ... And uncharacteristic for Obama, who's very, you know, statesmanlike. But he called him a jackass and I think it stuck in Kanye's head, and he was like, "I'll show you bitch." You know? And like, "I'll support the next guy." I think-

Paul Virzi 59:08 Oh, okay. I, yeah, I didn't know Barack did that, said that.

Joe Rogan 59:10 Yeah. And I think also like, Trump just lets him talk. Like, Trump had him in the White House, he's like sitting there.

Paul Virzi 59:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:16 It's one of my favorite videos is, uh, Kanye with a Maga hat on, and he's in the White House with Trump, and Trump is just sitting there listening to him as Kanye's-

Paul Virzi 59:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:27 ... ranting. And you know, Kanye goes down-

Paul Virzi 59:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 59:30 ... roads, and he just keeps ranting, is just ranting-

Paul Virzi 59:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:32 ... about things and talking about things. Like, I think that's the way his mind works. I think it's just a fucking... There it is. Like, look at this. Give me some volume on this.

Paul Virzi 59:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:39 This is Trump's face.

Paul Virzi 59:41 It's funny. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:41 Give me some volume and play it from the beginning. Go from the beginning.

Narrator 59:44 We did this, worked on-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Look at this.

Narrator 59:46 ... donors.

Joe Rogan 59:46 Look at Trump!

Narrator 59:47 Obama said bomber, things of that nature.

59:48 How old is he? How old?

59:50 68.

59:51 68 years old?

59:52 Yeah, 68 years old.

Joe Rogan 59:53 Ugh. Look at, first of all, how orange is he?

Paul Virzi 59:55 Uh, what's up with his eyes?

Joe Rogan 59:57 He doesn't spray tan his eyes.

Narrator 59:59 The community, he started showing that he actually had-... power, that he wasn't just one of a monolithic voice, that he could wrap people around. So, there's theories that there's infinite amounts of universe, and there's alternate universe-

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 (laughs)

Paul Virzi 1:00:12 Oh, geez. All right.

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 This is- this is me if I sparked a joint and went to the White House. It's the kinda shit I would talk about.

Narrator 1:00:17 And I have to go and get him free because he was doing positive inside of Chicago, just like how I'm moving back to Chicago. It's not just about, you know, getting on stage and-

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Look at Trump. (laughs)

Paul Virzi 1:00:28 I was just gonna say-

Narrator 1:00:29 ... voice that's for- forced to be a specific party. You know, people expect-

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Don't these motherfuckers have silent cameras?

Paul Virzi 1:00:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 They're so distracting. You're interrupting his rant.

Paul Virzi 1:00:40 There's Jim Brown next to him.

Narrator 1:00:41 Said that welfare is the reason why a lot of Black people end up being Democratic. They say, you know, first of all, it's, it, it's a limit to amount of jobs-

Paul Virzi 1:00:49 This goes on for 20 minutes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 It does, yeah.

Paul Virzi 1:00:51 Does he really? Just keeps talking.

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Trump is just sitting there like, "Hmm, interesting."

Paul Virzi 1:00:54 (laughs)

Narrator 1:00:55 I don't really say don't vote, I say negative-

Joe Rogan 1:00:57 I mean, at this point in time, what is Trump-

Paul Virzi 1:00:59 Don't stuff his phone.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 I love that he showed the fucking password of his phone. They filmed, they filmed his password. If you ever get ahold of Kanye's phone, it's all zeros.

Narrator 1:01:08 It's a high-point-one. It's a hydrogen-powered-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Look at him.

Paul Virzi 1:01:10 (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:10 ... uh, airplane.

Joe Rogan 1:01:11 Look at his, his fake-

Narrator 1:01:13 And this is what our president should be-

Paul Virzi 1:01:13 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:13 His fake attention. "Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, yeah."

Narrator 1:01:15 ... airplane. And this is what our president should be flying in. Look at this shirt.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 See, he designed the fucking airplane. "This is what our president should be flying in."

Paul Virzi 1:01:22 What, he went like this? What, he went like this and tilted his head? That's what you do to a little kid when they show you something.

Joe Rogan 1:01:26 Yeah, yeah. If my two-year-old made a drawing, I'd go-

Paul Virzi 1:01:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:30 ... "Nice."

Paul Virzi 1:01:31 "Here, go play."

Joe Rogan 1:01:31 "That's very pretty." "That does look like a flower."

Paul Virzi 1:01:33 "Go, go play." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:33 "That does look like a flower. Don't suck on your crayons." Yeah.

Paul Virzi 1:01:37 Well, I just don't like, you know, I just don't like if anything is different, you just really do get fucking, you know, you get, you get demonized or you just get... The way they go at you, man. You know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 Oh, yeah.

Paul Virzi 1:01:47 You know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Yeah, man.

Paul Virzi 1:01:48 I could, dude, I gotta be... And I gotta be honest with you, man, like, and I'm serious, dude. I'm not... And I'd said this before. I'm not just saying this 'cause I'm on your show, man. Like, the way you take sh- the way you fucking, the way they come at you or whatever, and you just... You know, it's, it's really fucking remarkable, dude. It's remarkable and it's inspiring. I'm not even joking, I'm not even bullshitting. It, it's, it's inspiring to see. I get pissed off if someone's like, "I didn't like that bit." I'm a fucking mess.

Joe Rogan 1:02:11 Yeah.

Paul Virzi 1:02:11 You got, you know, you got, you got all this shit and you just... It's, it's a really... It's an inspiration, man.

Joe Rogan 1:02:16 Thank you. Yeah, it's, uh-

Paul Virzi 1:02:17 It can't be, can't be easy. We're all f- human, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Yeah, we're all human. But it's, I, uh... I've been doing it so long, like, and I got... I'm, I'm, I'm amused by people. I'm, I'm fascinated by it. You know, like when I'd see little fatsobrian Stelter talking shit about me on CNN, I, I... It made me fun. It made me laugh. I'm like, "You're a dork."

Paul Virzi 1:02:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:37 "Of course you don't like me." Like, a dork not liking me and telling me I, you know, I should be fired. Like, "Shut the fuck up, man." Like, "Look at you. You're silly."

Paul Virzi 1:02:46 "How can anybody say somebody should be fired because they don't agree-"

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Some people should be fired. But it's like, what was going, what, what goes on is, like, people love to pile on people and they love to try to get people fired. It's like a new sport. It's like, uh, that's... You know, when people talk about cancel culture isn't real or cancel culture is real. Whatever you wanna call cancel culture.

Paul Virzi 1:03:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 But what is real is that people, especially with the advent of social media, 'cause everybody has a point, uh, everybody rather has an opinion they can express, they love to pile on and then try to do something about it.