Joe Rogan Experience #1845 - Zachary Levi

1. 0:00 – 0:53

   Why Austin feels livable: clean water, protected nature, and civic tradeoffs

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. ZLZachary Levi0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) How are you, uh, uh, acclimatizing to Austin?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      I love it.

   4. ZLZachary Levi0:15

      It's great, isn't it?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Yeah, I've been here now ... Like, we're going? Yeah, so I've been here now for two years and just totally feels like home. I love it.

   6. ZLZachary Levi0:22

      It's such a great town.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      It's the best. The people are so nice.

   8. ZLZachary Levi0:25

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      It's such a great place to live.

   10. ZLZachary Levi0:27

       Yeah. And it's, one of the things I love about it is how well nature is protected here.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Mm-hmm.

   12. ZLZachary Levi0:31

       Like Barton Springs, for example. Or even like, I can't think of another s- major city I've been to, anywhere in the world, that has a river that goes through the middle of the city-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah.

   14. ZLZachary Levi0:40

       ... that anyone is playing on. Austin is the only place I've ever been to where there's a river in the middle of the city and there's people kayaking and paddle boarding and doing all of the things. You're like, "That's what we should be doing in all of our rivers."

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       And it's clean.

   16. ZLZachary Levi0:51

       It's so clean.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Yeah, that's what's crazy.

   18. ZLZachary Levi0:53

       Yeah.

2. 0:53 – 1:55

   The comedy club that didn’t happen: runoff, bio-containment ponds, and avoiding environmental PR disasters

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:53

      You know, one of the comedy clubs that I was going to buy, there was a problem with it, and the problem was there was a parking lot, and the parking lot was at the bottom of a long hill. And if it rained, the rainwater would come down and get all the oil and all the bullshit from people's cars-

   2. ZLZachary Levi1:13

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:13

      ... from the parking lot and then take it over the hill into the creek.

   4. ZLZachary Levi1:15

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      And so they, they were supposed to have installed this big-

   6. ZLZachary Levi1:20

      Grape or something?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      ... bio containment pond.

   8. ZLZachary Levi1:23

      Oh.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:23

      Yeah, it's a really wild thing. They had to like literally build a pond and then, then they had to surround the pond with very specific plants that filter out shit-

   10. ZLZachary Levi1:32

       To kind of suck it up. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       ... and suck everything up. I was like, "I'm out." (laughs) I was like-

   12. ZLZachary Levi1:35

       (laughs) That's more than I want. Thanks.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:37

       But it wasn't even that. It was just like, I could see the headlines, "Joe Rogan kills fish with his shitty comedy club." (laughs)

   14. ZLZachary Levi1:44

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       I was like, "No."

   16. ZLZachary Levi1:45

       With the comedy club.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:46

       Yeah. Totally. I am not-

   18. ZLZachary Levi1:47

       That was the tool.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       ... doing anything that is ever going to be an environmental concern. I'm not ... If it, if it's up for deb- I'm fucking ... I'm out.

   20. ZLZachary Levi1:54

       Yeah. No.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:55

       I'm out.

3. 1:55 – 3:59

   Greed, endless growth, and ‘Succession’ as a documentary vibe

   1. ZLZachary Levi1:55

      Well, to the extent that we should never be doing anything that's fucking up the planet-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:59

      Right. Exactly.

   3. ZLZachary Levi1:59

      ... would be great if we could all agree on, on that. That would be great. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      Yeah, it's good idea. It's like this agreement to fuck up the planet a little bit so you can get more gas mileage. Or agreement to fuck up the planet a little bit so it's easier for you to do X, Y, or Z.

   5. ZLZachary Levi2:12

      Certainly. But also I think ... Well, it's just industry run rampant, man. I mean, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:17

      Yeah.

   7. ZLZachary Levi2:17

      That's what most of it is anyway. It's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      Yeah.

   9. ZLZachary Levi2:20

      It's greed on a really high level that we all kind of just accept because it's like, "Well that's capitalism I guess, so whatever." But-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       We all agree that companies should try to make the most amount of money every year always. Like you're always supposed to make more money.

   11. ZLZachary Levi2:33

       But I feel like we do, which is ... I don't think that's such a bad thing, uh, uh, to the extent that it should never be at the expense of-

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       Right.

   13. ZLZachary Levi2:41

       ... life. Of human life and plant life and animal life. Like to the, to the extent that industry is milking every single dollar, right, out of everything.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Yeah.

   15. ZLZachary Levi2:50

       Just f- so what? So their bottom line is better? So their shareholders are happier? So their CEO makes a better salary that year? Th- it's all just high level greed. And, and they could still all make so much money and not kill everything.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       That's what's really crazy.

   17. ZLZachary Levi3:04

       I think.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Is like everybody always wants to do better. Like no one wants to maintain. No one wants to say, "Hey, you know, this company makes, you know, $100 million a year. This is great."

   19. ZLZachary Levi3:13

       Yeah. We're good.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       "Let's, uh, everybody high five. Let's keep the ball rolling."

   21. ZLZachary Levi3:16

       We're good. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:16

       "We all get vacation time and we'll all live a wonderful life." No.

   23. ZLZachary Levi3:20

       But no, you gotta have more, man.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:21

       Yeah, and you gotta put in overtime. We gotta increase our bottom line.

   25. ZLZachary Levi3:24

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       We gotta fucking ... Why aren't these things moving off the shelves?

   27. ZLZachary Levi3:27

       Yeah. Have you seen, uh, Succession?

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Yes. Love it.

   29. ZLZachary Levi3:30

       Oh, it's so good.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Love it.
4. 3:59 – 7:45

   Instagram wealth theatre to Crocs culture: performative status vs comfort and utility

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      And it's always you have to have the newest, latest, greatest thing.

   2. ZLZachary Levi4:02

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      You know, you have to have the two thous- the 2023 Mercedes right when it comes out. Like everybody's balling in this weird-

   4. ZLZachary Levi4:09

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      ... uh, like performative way.

   6. ZLZachary Levi4:12

      Well, and we all celebrate it, which is the saddest thing.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Yeah.

   8. ZLZachary Levi4:14

      Honestly. I mean, look at how much-

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:16

      Instagram.

   10. ZLZachary Levi4:16

       Instagram.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Yeah.

   12. ZLZachary Levi4:16

       All of it. I mean, we, it's ... If you drive a Lambo, how many likes do you ... You know what I mean?

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       Yeah.

   14. ZLZachary Levi4:21

       It's like ... And we all also, I mean, not, nothing against people who own Lamborghinis (laughs) but it, you know, we all kind of sense that that's flashy anyway. Why, why are we so caught up in that? And yet it still is getting all the likes and getting all the shares.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah.

   16. ZLZachary Levi4:35

       And people still, particularly young people, are still like gunning for that, aiming for that.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah.

   18. ZLZachary Levi4:40

       Like, "I want to be that cool." It's like, no you don't. That's not the kind of life that you (laughs) want to be living or aspiring to.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:46

       (laughs) It's not real. They're not even living that life. The, like if you're posing in front of a Lamborghini, just by virtue of the fact that you're posing-

   20. ZLZachary Levi4:54

       Yeah. Yeah. Posi-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       ... you're not really living your life.

   22. ZLZachary Levi4:56

       Posing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:56

       This is fake.

   24. ZLZachary Levi4:57

       Lots and lots of posing.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       You're standing there-

   26. ZLZachary Levi4:59

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:00

       ... in like a, a fancy pose-

   28. ZLZachary Levi5:02

       Yeah. Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:02

       ... to show how badass you are.

   30. ZLZachary Levi5:03

       Yeah. Look at my Lambo, man.
5. 7:45 – 8:35

   From satchels to Disney: Tangled, Flynn Rider, and being recognized for voice work

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:45

      Yeah, the purse thing's an interesting thing and you could also do a satchel to show they're interesting, like you're- you're an intelligent, interesting person. You have a-

   2. ZLZachary Levi7:54

      I think-

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      ... uh, uh-

   4. ZLZachary Levi7:54

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:54

      ... lice worn Indiana Jones-

   6. ZLZachary Levi7:56

      Sexy and-

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:57

      ... type satchels.

   8. ZLZachary Levi7:59

      ... intelligent (laughs) satchels.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:59

      Right?

   10. ZLZachary Levi7:59

       Ex- exactly, yes.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:00

       That's a look.

   12. ZLZachary Levi8:01

       Ma-

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Like a guy with a satchel probably reads a lot.

   14. ZLZachary Levi8:03

       I- I- I p- I (laughs) I, absolutely. Why- why else have a satchel if you don't have a lot of books in there?

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:08

       He's got books in there.

   16. ZLZachary Levi8:08

       He's got a lot of books. Um-

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:09

       His journal he's gonna write about meeting you.

   18. ZLZachary Levi8:11

       I played, uh, this character Flynn Ryder in this, uh, Disney movie, Tangled, and I had a satchel. And he's a very charming, intelligent man.

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:19

       You were the voice of Flynn Ryder, that's right.

   20. ZLZachary Levi8:21

       Yeah, bro.

   21. JRJoe Rogan8:21

       Dude, I watched that movie at least 80 times.

   22. ZLZachary Levi8:25

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       I'm not-

   24. ZLZachary Levi8:25

       Well, you got girls.

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:26

       Kidding, I've got young girls.

   26. ZLZachary Levi8:26

       Yeah, man.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       Yeah, they were of the perfect age.

   28. ZLZachary Levi8:29

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan8:29

       So, I watched that movie forever. I didn't know that was you.

   30. ZLZachary Levi8:32

       Yeah, man.
6. 8:35 – 16:51

   Mrs. Maisel and the reality of ‘natural killers’ in stand-up

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      ... in Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

   2. ZLZachary Levi8:37

      (gasps)

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:37

      You were great in that.

   4. ZLZachary Levi8:37

      Thanks, man.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:38

      That's a fun, fun show.

   6. ZLZachary Levi8:40

      Dude, that show is...

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:41

      Really fun show.

   8. ZLZachary Levi8:41

      It's so well done. It- it, Amy Sherman-Palladino and, uh, her husband, Dan, they, they are... And really everybody involved in that show, but they are, I think, they're geniuses. I- I think that the way they write, direct, produce, so much of that, the two of them, plus lots of other talented people obviously that come in and direct and produce and write, and all of the incredible actors. But it's one of those things where it's just delightful. You watch the show and you're just delighted from the beginning to the end.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:07

      Yes.

   10. ZLZachary Levi9:07

       And Rachel and Tony, and the- the whole cast are just so charming and the, and the, the writing is so smart and it moves and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       Yeah.

   12. ZLZachary Levi9:14

       ... it's funny and you're like, "Fuck yeah, I wanna watch this all the time."

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       It's a really good show. Uh, and- and the way she gets into standup, like as a standup, is the least offensive-

   14. ZLZachary Levi9:22

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       ... I've ever seen-

   16. ZLZachary Levi9:24

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       ... of any of those things.

   18. ZLZachary Levi9:25

       Yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:25

       'Cause let me tell you something, it, that shit is possible. For a woman to be that funny, just a- a housewife.

   20. ZLZachary Levi9:32

       Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       There's people out there that are like that.

   22. ZLZachary Levi9:34

       Oh, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       People are like, "Oh, that's unrealistic that she would kill." That is not unrealistic.

   24. ZLZachary Levi9:37

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:38

       There was a girl at the, uh, at the Vulcan in Austin and she was in the crowd and I was doing like a Q&A thing at the end of my set.

   26. ZLZachary Levi9:46

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:47

       And, uh, she- she sa- asked something about, "How do you get into standup?" And she sai- and I go, "Do y- are you thinking about doing standup?" I'm like, "You should do it." She goes, uh, "I'm funny as fuck."

   28. ZLZachary Levi9:57

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:57

       I go, "Come up here right now." I go, "Come up here right now." And she w- got on stage and she was a little drunk and it wasn't the worst, but it was funny that she did it, right?

   30. ZLZachary Levi10:06

       Yeah, yeah.
7. 16:51 – 21:45

   Celebrity trials as content: empathy collapse, ‘truth as spectacle,’ and jury contamination

   1. ZLZachary Levi16:51

      Hollywood's full of a lot of interesting deceit, too, bro.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:53

      I know. I know, it is.

   3. ZLZachary Levi16:55

      Yeah, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:55

      And sometimes we get to watch it on trial.

   5. ZLZachary Levi16:58

      Um, oh, yeah. Oh my gosh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:59

      How wild is it that they had a relationship trial? Like, this is who was more fucked up in the relationship.

   7. ZLZachary Levi17:05

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:05

      Let's, let's show the whole world.

   9. ZLZachary Levi17:07

      Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about... I, I... Like, there's a part of me that just wishes that nobody would really care about any of that drama as it unfolds, 'cause it's not pertinent to anybody's life, really, or making the world (laughs) a better place, like-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Who gets paid for the advertising money from that trial? (laughs) There must have been a lot of it.

   11. ZLZachary Levi17:26

       Um-

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Who gets the... Does Johnny get a cut-

   13. ZLZachary Levi17:28

       Who was there?

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:28

       ... of the YouTube ti- (laughs)

   15. ZLZachary Levi17:29

       Was it all YouTube?

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:31

       I don't know. I mean, but a lot of it is available on YouTube. I mean, where... Was it available for free when it came out? How did they, uh-

   17. GUGuest17:38

       I think the people making the videos are making money. I feel like I saw an article that said someone's making, like, 60 grand a month-

   18. ZLZachary Levi17:43

       (laughs)

   19. GUGuest17:43

       ... making reaction videos to the trial or something like that.

   20. ZLZachary Levi17:46

       Just reaction videos of the trial?

   21. GUGuest17:48

       I... Or showing it or h-highlights of it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Everybody wants to know what everybody else thinks about it. That, the trial's a perfect thing to have a reaction video, 'cause there's so many moments in that trial.

   23. ZLZachary Levi17:57

       Certainly, certainly. But I think things like that, though, uh, ultimately, they're... I don't know, man. It, I, I feel like it's making us-... less empathetic, ultimately.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:09

       Yes.

   25. ZLZachary Levi18:09

       It is, it is making ev- we all get to look at these people, literally, you know, like you're saying, like they're, they're having a, a marital dispute. We're all getting brought in on their nons-

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       Right.

   27. ZLZachary Levi18:19

       ... not nonsense, their, their shit, their traumas-

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       Their shit.

   29. ZLZachary Levi18:21

       ... all that stuff. And everyone just gets to sit around eating popcorn and judging the entire fiasco because it's entertainment now. It's like everything is content and ev-everything is entertainment. But the more we do that kind of stuff, I do feel like we're f- we're pulling farther apart from being able to look at either her or him and say, "You both have issues and you both need to work on some shit." And, you know, however the, the jury and all that, that found it, I ultimately, I saw little bits and pieces. It seemed like he was more in the right than she was. I would have gone with that too, but the point is they're still human beings, both of them, at the end of the day, and they're just a circus when, when we see it like that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       Yeah.
8. 21:45 – 29:00

   Generational trauma, determinism, and Zach’s therapy breakthrough

   1. ZLZachary Levi21:45

      No. And, and, and people, they're still responsible, you know. Like, I think that we can both, we can both acknowledge that, as crazy as it might sound, but no one's at fault but everyone's responsible.

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:58

      Mm-hmm.

   3. ZLZachary Levi21:58

      You know, you get programmed by your parents, who are programmed by their parents, who are programmed by their parents.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:03

      Yeah.

   5. ZLZachary Levi22:04

      And so on. I mean, it's generational trauma. And it's not just your parents, sometimes it's other people in your family, or your community, or your society, or your country, or your faith, or whatever it is. But all that stuff is the coding you get as a little soul growing up. And so that's how you behave, by and large. I mean, there's like psychopaths and sociopaths that might be born with a little, like, physiological, you know, something wrong, but ev- all of us are nature and nurture, like, through and through, so.

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:27

      Yeah, that's the determinism perspective, right? That life is kind of led you to this moment and-

   7. ZLZachary Levi22:33

      Yes, but the-

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:33

      ... you don't really have a lot of control over it.

   9. ZLZachary Levi22:36

      Well, we, we, we have to forgive ourselves for not knowing what we didn't know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:42

       Right.

   11. ZLZachary Levi22:42

       Right? We've all done stupid shit throughout our lives. I, that was one of the biggest things that was destroying me before I went to life-saving therapy. I did- I didn't know I, how much I hated myself and my self-talk was garbage the way that I-

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:54

       Oh, really?

   13. ZLZachary Levi22:54

       Oh, yeah, man. It was so bad.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:55

       You're a beautiful, tall, handsome fella.

   15. ZLZachary Levi22:57

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:57

       Why would you have bad self-talk? You got a wonderful personality.

   17. ZLZachary Levi23:00

       Oh, shit. Well, thank you, Joe.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       Your, but your self-talk should be great.

   19. ZLZachary Levi23:03

       I appreciate that. Well, well, okay. But I, again, I didn't know what I didn't know. And what I didn't know was that my whole life, my parents, my mom and stepdad particularly, were very abusive, psychologically abusive, uh, types of people. You know, because they were also super psychologically abused by their respective parents, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:24

       Right.

   21. ZLZachary Levi23:25

       So but there, your parents' voice, more often than not, in my humble opinion, the, the voice that you have for yourself, that's you just echoing the way they talked to you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Mm-hmm.

   23. ZLZachary Levi23:34

       So that's why no matter what I may look like or what I've accomplished in my life and even up to the point at 37 when I moved out here to Austin and I had this whole breakdown. Like even up to that point, like, I still felt like I was failing my life entirely. I had accomplished so many things and I still felt like I was failing because my self-talk was garbage. I just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       So did you feel like you were failing, like, in looking at your career or did you think you were failing at life?

   25. ZLZachary Levi23:59

       Everything.

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:59

       Everything.

   27. ZLZachary Levi24:00

       All things.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:00

       All things.

   29. ZLZachary Levi24:00

       I was 37. Yeah. I was 37-

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:01

       But your career was going well.
9. 29:00 – 33:30

   Prayer, manifestation, and the ‘aura’ debate: what changes when you practice gratitude

   1. ZLZachary Levi29:00

      Uh, do you know Dr.- uh, Dr. Joe Dispenza? You ever heard of Dr. Joe Dispenza?

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:04

      Uh, not really.

   3. ZLZachary Levi29:06

      He's like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan29:07

      Oh, okay.

   5. ZLZachary Levi29:08

      I can't remember-

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:08

      I think I've seen him on, uh, Instagram.

   7. ZLZachary Levi29:09

      Yeah, but he's- he's like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:10

      I might even follow him.

   9. ZLZachary Levi29:11

      ... I think he was a chiropractor, doctor, but then ultimately he's really been kind of leading the charge for, um, I don't know, like, energy connectivity in your body, your ability t- for, uh, you know, to think your way to a better life ultimately because our- our thoughts are so powerful that they can affect our bodies. This is kind of, you know, the- the- the world that he's into.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       Hm.

   11. ZLZachary Levi29:36

       But I think- but I do think there's a lot-

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:38

       That world makes me super suspicious.

   13. ZLZachary Levi29:40

       Oh, really?

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       Yeah. Anytime p- people start talking about, like, manifesting the world through the ideas and-

   15. ZLZachary Levi29:45

       Oh, man, I think it's so real. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:47

       What do you think is real?

   17. ZLZachary Levi29:49

       I do.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:49

       Do you think-

   19. ZLZachary Levi29:49

       Well, I think prayer is manifestation. I think manifestation is prayer. I think that that is a real thing and it's not- it- I don't think it's just a fluke that people have been doing it for so, so, so, so, so long and-

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:01

       I-

   21. ZLZachary Levi30:01

       ... feel something very deep through it. You know what I mean?

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:03

       I think it's a method to achieve focus, for sure. And I think, just, one of the things about prayer is prayer is very similar to meditation in that they're both, like-... really good. They're both really good for you.

   23. ZLZachary Levi30:13

       Certainly.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       So meditation where you're th- literally thinking about nothing, and prayer, where you're praising God or thinking about the energy of the universe-

   25. ZLZachary Levi30:22

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:22

       ... or whatever it is.

   27. ZLZachary Levi30:22

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       What you're doing is, you're, you're putting out gratitude. You're putting out this, like, feeling of, of appreciation.

   29. ZLZachary Levi30:30

       Yes.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       And all of those things are, like, really good ideas.
10. 33:30 – 40:59

    Love as a force—and its limits: dogs, domestication, nature’s brutality, and choosing fear vs love

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:30

       That seems to only work right here with us. It doesn't seem to work with any other animals. Other animals-

    2. ZLZachary Levi33:37

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:37

       ... it doesn't see-

    4. ZLZachary Levi33:38

       Well-

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       It doesn't seem to matter at all.

    6. ZLZachary Levi33:39

       Okay.

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:39

       It's just tooth and claw.

    8. ZLZachary Levi33:41

       Okay. Tr- well, listen, listen. So-

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:42

       I mean, but isn't that interesting?

    10. ZLZachary Levi33:43

        Y- it, it is, but I've thought about this. I, I think that ... Look, we're very special apes, right?

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:49

        Yes.

    12. ZLZachary Levi33:49

        Somehow, whether it was eating a bunch of mushrooms and we, you know, grew a brain, or whatever the heck it is, bro, um, but we are very ... We're called out. We're a special animal.

    13. JRJoe Rogan33:59

        Yes.

    14. ZLZachary Levi34:00

        Right? That shouldn't give us this cocky arrogance like this is all ours, like we've been doing for so long. We have to be in homeostasis with the rest of the world and creation, but we're fucking special, man.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:09

        Yeah, we're weird.

    16. ZLZachary Levi34:10

        We're, we're super weird, yeah. But I would say, but check this out, though. Like, uh, NatureAsMetal, the Instagram, I think you follow them too.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:18

        Yes.

    18. ZLZachary Levi34:18

        They're one of my favorites.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:19

        The best.

    20. ZLZachary Levi34:19

        They're so good.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:20

        (laughs)

    22. ZLZachary Levi34:20

        I tell everybody. In fact, I, particularly I tell, like, my vegan friends and all that stuff that are like, you know, animal, animal.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:25

        Yeah.

    24. ZLZachary Levi34:25

        Like, "I got you." I'm like, "Go follow that account and tell me that we are somehow these horrible creatures that are going and mowing down all these animals when they are ripping each other's limbs off, literally." It's so satisfying. Anyway, um, but NatureAsMetal, that's a great example of, yeah, this is the wild world out there.

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:43

        Yeah.

    26. ZLZachary Levi34:43

        So, so what about that? How do you explain that? Well, I think that perhaps a lot of other species of animal just ... We evolved super fast into whatever our reasoning, uh, the fact that we even ask why, right?

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:56

        Yeah.

    28. ZLZachary Levi34:56

        Like, all that we have, that's ... we're set apart. I don't think those animals have literally just evolved or matured long enough to be able to have some of that. But I will say this, and this is ... Hear me out. Hear me out. I fully believe, this is how much I believe in the power of love, I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding.

    29. JRJoe Rogan35:11

        (laughs)

    30. ZLZachary Levi35:13

        Dogs are the greatest animal. I know you love your dog. I love my dogs.
11. 40:59 – 1:09:31

    Psychedelics and policy: Schedule I fallout, therapy potential, and legalization logic

    1. ZLZachary Levi40:59

       Yeah, yeah. I think it's really wonderful what's going on with psychedelics and treating people for depression and anxiety and s-

    2. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       Yes.

    3. ZLZachary Levi41:05

       ... that's incredible. And it's so-

    4. JRJoe Rogan41:07

       That is incredible.

    5. ZLZachary Levi41:07

       And it's f- way long overdue. The fact that all of these drugs were put, you know, Schedule 1 and like, we couldn't do any research, we couldn't figure any- We would be so much farther ahead on all of the CBD, THC, s-

    6. JRJoe Rogan41:18

       Yeah.

    7. ZLZachary Levi41:18

       ... psilocybin, MDMA, whatever. Like, all of these, ketamine, things that are literally helping people right now-

    8. JRJoe Rogan41:23

       Yep.

    9. ZLZachary Levi41:23

       ... coulda been helping people for so long.

    10. JRJoe Rogan41:26

        Also, we would have real studies on-

    11. ZLZachary Levi41:28

        Yes.

    12. JRJoe Rogan41:28

        ... what the negative con- consequences-

    13. ZLZachary Levi41:30

        100%.

    14. JRJoe Rogan41:30

        ... of each individual drug are.

    15. ZLZachary Levi41:31

        100%.

    16. JRJoe Rogan41:31

        Because right now it's like-

    17. ZLZachary Levi41:32

        100%.

    18. JRJoe Rogan41:32

        ... you're, you're counting on people. What happens? "Oh, you get a little bit of a hangover afterwards, that's it." And you're like-

    19. ZLZachary Levi41:37

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan41:37

        ... "What does that mean? What's happening to my head? Why does it hurt?" (laughs)

    21. ZLZachary Levi41:40

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan41:40

        Like, you know, like we know about alcohol. Why? Because it's legal, we've had a long time to study.

    23. ZLZachary Levi41:45

        Yeah. Which is, by the way, the worst drug.

    24. JRJoe Rogan41:47

        It's the worst.

    25. ZLZachary Levi41:47

        I mean, I love me some tequila, but it literally is one of the worst things you can put in your body.

    26. JRJoe Rogan41:52

        It's definitely not good for you.

    27. ZLZachary Levi41:53

        No.

    28. JRJoe Rogan41:54

        But it's just weird that we're still accepting this strange situation where a person tells an other person what they can and can't do.

    29. ZLZachary Levi42:02

        Sure.

    30. JRJoe Rogan42:02

        Even if the original person telling the other person what they can and can't do has no experience in that thing.

Episode duration: 2:25:32