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Joe Rogan Experience #1846 - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is a standup comedian, actor, and one of the hosts of the "Flagrant" and "Brilliant Idiots" podcasts. His new comedy special "Infamous" is available to purchase online until July 31. https://theandrewschulz.com/

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Jun 27, 20243h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:01 – 1:01

    Independent comedy vs. streaming gatekeepers (and immediate tangents)

    1. NA

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

    2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Hello, Andrew Schulz.

    4. AS

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

    5. JR

      How is the independent comedy production world treating you?

    6. AS

      It's good.

    7. JR

      (laughs)

    8. AS

      (laughs) It's- it's a lot, uh, it's a lot more work.

    9. JR

      Yeah, for sure.

    10. AS

      Hmm.

    11. JR

      But, uh, you, uh, you cut free from the nipple.

    12. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      Like ...

    14. AS

      We did.

    15. JR

      Without even mentioning names, tell me what, what happened. Like, how d- how did it ... I went to taping.

    16. AS

      (clears throat)

    17. JR

      It was excellent.

    18. AS

      Thank you.

    19. JR

      Looked great.

    20. AS

      Thank you for coming.

    21. JR

      My pleasure.

    22. AS

      And thank you for bringing Cameron.

    23. JR

      Yeah, brought Cameron Hanes. My wife came.

    24. AS

      Dripped in Gucci, dude.

    25. JR

      Yeah, he's hilarious.

    26. AS

      Dude, that guy is a legend.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. AS

      'Cause I've only seen him with his shirt off-

    29. JR

      (laughs)

    30. AS

      ... and like inspirational music in the background.

  2. 1:01 – 3:48

    Cameron Hanes, first-time camping, and why nature isn’t a theme park

    1. AS

      And then I remember, I remember calling you, and I was like, I was like, "Dude, this guy's so interesting to me." Like, like, "What does he do? He just takes people on camping trips and stuff like that?" Like, "What's the thing?" And I think you were like, "No, I think he like moderates like pool levels in Oregon, or like moderates like water."

    2. JR

      Yeah, he works for the Department of Water and Power.

    3. AS

      And I was like, "This is a fucking-"

    4. JR

      For now.

    5. AS

      "... fashionable."

    6. JR

      But he's a New York Times best-selling author, so he's quitting his job.

    7. AS

      Let's go, Cameron.

    8. JR

      Yeah, he made a lot of money off the book.

    9. AS

      I told him I'm, I'm going hunting with him.

    10. JR

      Really?

    11. AS

      Yeah. He didn't respond to me.

    12. JR

      What are you gonna hunt?

    13. AS

      He (laughs) I just said, "We're going hunting." He's like, "Okay."

    14. JR

      Yeah, that's how ... He's like, "Okay." Like prob- probably people say that to him every day.

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      You know?

    17. AS

      But, uh, but yeah.

    18. JR

      What would, what would you hunt?

    19. AS

      Oh, fuck, I don't know. I, I'm, I probably ... (sighs) I don't know.

    20. JR

      Wild pigs is the best. Because they have to kill them.

    21. AS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      You can eat them. They're delicious.

    23. AS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      And they're ... It's literally an imperative.

    25. AS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      Like, you have to, especially in Texas.

    27. AS

      They're helping.

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. AS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      They're everywhere. There's so many of them.

  3. 3:48 – 5:59

    Nature as a humility reset—then empathy, wokeness, and the animal world

    1. AS

      Not necessarily afraid, but like I didn't really understand like the, um, I don't know, the allure of it. And then ... (sighs) Okay. I do understand the allure of nature. Like, we were talking about this before. I hit you about this before, but I think something happens where, like, you get this, like, reset. Like, even-

    2. JR

      Yes.

    3. AS

      ... you see these, like, uh, you know, successful people. They'll go to, like, Montana. And they're not going to Montana to like let everybody know how nice their ranch is. Uh, I believe they're going to Montana 'cause they're like, "It's cool to look at mountains," and it's kind of like-

    4. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    5. AS

      ... humbling, like-

    6. JR

      Yes.

    7. AS

      ... which, dude, when I was, when I was, I hit you up, when I was on my honeymoon with my wife and I'm like looking at the fucking sunset off, off this beautiful island in Italy and I'm like ... I felt incredibly humbled.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AS

      And maybe you need that feeling.

    10. JR

      Yes.

    11. AS

      Like, maybe your world gets so warped. And I wonder if you feel that way. Like, do you need to be in nature and feel so fucking vulnerable because your regular day, that's not something that you're experiencing?

    12. JR

      Yeah, I think it's a reality check of what your relationship with the world really is. 'Cause we, uh, we live in cities and we drive in cars and we st- go into buildings, and you get confused and you think that is the world.

    13. AS

      Hmm.

    14. JR

      But the world is filled with all kinds of variables. And one of the more fascinating variables is nature and wildlife.

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      'Cause they're so uncaring about you.

    17. AS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Like, one of the things that I always get when I'm in the mountains is like, these mountains don't give a fuck about you.

    19. AS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      They don't give a shit how many Instagram followers you have or how well your special did or-

    21. AS

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      ... you know, how well your podcast is doing. They don't give a fuck.

    23. AS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      They, these are just tooth and claw and fang animals trying to get by.

    25. AS

      Okay. So, we know that, that that's nature, right?

    26. JR

      Right.

    27. AS

      Does that give you any sort of like, uh, compassion or empathy to the ultra woke that are trying to over-care? It's like they-

    28. JR

      I don't think that's what they're doing.

    29. AS

      Maybe, deep down, that's not what they're doing, right?

    30. JR

      Right.

  4. 5:59 – 11:30

    Dolphins, bonobos, domestication, and what ‘civilization’ breeds out of us

    1. JR

      No, there's no empathy.... the animal world has zero empathy, except dolphins. Dolphins have empathy towards people.

    2. AS

      Oh, my God, like-

    3. JR

      They'll save people from sharks and shit like that.

    4. AS

      Don't they also, like, feed other animal... Isn't there, like, a... Maybe they were working with... I forget, some video I saw, they were, like, culling fish into this area so that the fishermen could extract them.

    5. JR

      Really?

    6. AS

      Yeah, I saw some video of this. I don't know where the fuck it was, but-

    7. JR

      By cooperating with the fishermen?

    8. AS

      I don't know if it was cooperating with the fishermen.

    9. JR

      It doesn't seem like it makes sense.

    10. AS

      I don't know, maybe they were doing it for themselves and the fishermen would kinda take advantaging of, advantage of it.

    11. JR

      That seems more likely.

    12. AS

      But, uh, but yeah, I don't know. It's like an interesting thing that we're capable of.

    13. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    14. AS

      Like, to consider others, to consider others' discomfort and, like, want to help.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. AS

      I think it gets bastardized and I think it gets abused.

    17. JR

      Yes.

    18. AS

      But the fact that we can even get there.

    19. JR

      Yeah, it separates us from everything else.

    20. AS

      Right?

    21. JR

      Except f- for the dolphins. They, they, they look out for other species. That's what's interesting about them. Like, they look out for humans. They also rape humans.

    22. AS

      Hmm.

    23. JR

      They do that.

    24. AS

      Right.

    25. JR

      But usually when they do that, it's, like, at a marine world type situation.

    26. AS

      But also, do they know what that is?

    27. JR

      No, they don't know what that is.

    28. AS

      So they don't... They're like, "Oh, yeah, we're just fucking and this is how fucking works."

    29. JR

      Yeah, that's... Well, they're, they do infanticide, right? Dolphins kill their babies. Like, this is the way it works. Like, if a female dolphin gets pregnant, she, uh, cannot mate for, I believe it's... Look this up. I think it's, like, six years. I think the female dolphin-

    30. AS

      That's the gestation period?

  5. 11:30 – 16:12

    Toxic masculinity, national power, and how comfort depends on ‘bad’ work

    1. AS

      Is that what they're doing to us?

    2. JR

      Just like they're trying to do to man.

    3. AS

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      Exactly. That's what they're trying to do to man.

    5. AS

      Where's Andrew Tate when you need him? (laughs)

    6. JR

      Yes. That's the, this toxic femininity shit, or masculinity. Toxic femininity is right. That was a Freudian slip.

    7. AS

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      But toxic masculinity, what that means is, like, oh, you mean the men who carved the world.

    9. AS

      Yes.

    10. JR

      Like-

    11. AS

      Now you don't need them.

    12. JR

      Yeah, exactly.

    13. AS

      So now you wanna get rid of them.

    14. JR

      But you do need 'em. You just don't think you need 'em-

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... because you don't need 'em right now.

    17. AS

      And, and then-

    18. JR

      And then Russia has them.

    19. AS

      Exactly.

    20. JR

      And China is making 'em more... China's making 'em more masculine.

    21. AS

      Yeah, yeah. So then what do we do? Like, how do we recognize this trait? Okay, we wanna make life more, we wanna make life more palatable for everyone, right?

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. AS

      But sometimes you need some badass motherfuckers to do the things that a lot of people don't wanna do.

    24. JR

      You do.

    25. AS

      And then the second life is safe, you go, "Well, why do we have bad people around?"

    26. JR

      Exactly.

    27. AS

      "They might make some bad decisions." So, how do we keep the, quote unquote, like, "bad guys" around long enough-So in case something needs to be done, they handle it. And I think, like, the American way of doing it is going, "Hey we're just gonna, like, kind of create these little organizations that do the bad shit. And the American people don't really need to know about it."

    28. JR

      Yeah.

    29. AS

      "We'll go handle that stuff. You don't need to know. Enjoy your life and live your life."

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  6. 16:12 – 19:34

    Brittney Griner, selective outrage, and the economics/sexualization of women’s sports

    1. JR

      Well, I mean, even things that aren't as ugly, like how about this Brittney Griner situation?

    2. AS

      Yes.

    3. JR

      Right? Brittney Griner is imprisoned right now in Russia-

    4. AS

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      ... because she went over there to play basketball, and she had, uh, cannabis oil-

    6. AS

      Hash oil or some shit.

    7. JR

      ... vape cartridges that she had on her.

    8. AS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      She d- I, I don't know if she just didn't know they were illegal or if she tried to sneak them in. Uh, and they're, they've got her arrested. It's against the law, and she might do 10 years in jail over there, which is fucking horrific.

    10. AS

      But let's also clarify-

    11. JR

      She's already been over there for months. But here's what's important-

    12. AS

      But these are the poli- yeah.

    13. JR

      But hold on.

    14. AS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      People are freaking out about this, right?

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      They're freaking out. Russia needs to let her go. We have people in America right now locked up for marijuana, and they've been locked up for fucking years.

    18. AS

      That's funny.

    19. JR

      For years and years-

    20. AS

      That's funny.

    21. JR

      ... and years. And there's not one.

    22. AS

      That's funny.

    23. JR

      There's thousands of them.

    24. AS

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    25. JR

      So, what, they're not good at throwing a fucking ball into a net?

    26. AS

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      Is that what it is?

    28. AS

      Yeah, yeah.

    29. JR

      They're not good at that one thing that we like to watch, so-

    30. AS

      Oh, dude.

  7. 19:34 – 24:52

    Sex, standards, and scandal: workplace sexism, trans optics, and old-Hollywood hypocrisy

    1. AS

      ... when people talk about, like, sexism and shit, like, you know flight attendants have to wear heels onto the plane?

    2. JR

      Do they?

    3. AS

      That's a law.

    4. JR

      Well, no, uh, it's a rule. It's not a law.

    5. AS

      All right. It's a r- what is the difference? It's r-

    6. JR

      Well, one of them is your employer, the other one is the government.

    7. AS

      Rules are laws for the business. Yeah.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AS

      But if you want to work for them, you could turn-

    10. JR

      Is that true? You have to wear heels?

    11. AS

      I asked the lady at Delta. You have to wear heels onto the plane. Once you're on the plane, you can turn into a flat when you leave the heel.

    12. JR

      What?

    13. AS

      All a heel does, I mean, you know this, it accentuates the muscles in your legs-

    14. JR

      Right. Right.

    15. AS

      ... and it raises your ass to put you in, like, almost a doggy style type position.

    16. JR

      Nice. Make it look nice.

    17. AS

      There we go.

    18. JR

      Make that butt look nice.

    19. AS

      (laughs) So-

    20. JR

      That is so sexist.

    21. AS

      Isn't that way more s-

    22. JR

      'Cause does the man have to wear heels?

    23. AS

      Nope.

    24. JR

      Wow.

    25. AS

      Now, a few of them flight attendants probably would enjoy that.

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. AS

      The male ones.

    28. JR

      Did, did you see the, uh, the people that we sent to... What was it, where th- where they sent them? Um, they sent that four-star admiral who's a transgender man.

    29. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    30. JR

      And then the other person who's trans too.

  8. 24:52 – 37:47

    Birth rates, delayed parenting, and how ‘outrage’ fills the kid-free years

    1. AS

      ... like, when I hear a lot of, like, um, people, like, our age or whatever like that. Like, there's a lot of women that are like, "I just don't want kids." And it's like, I understand intellectually why you might not, but there has to be a biological impulse inside of you yearning to do that.

    2. JR

      I don't think it's for everybody. (clears throat)

    3. AS

      I, it-

    4. JR

      I really don't think so.

    5. AS

      ... it's not for everybody.

    6. JR

      But I, I don't think that the urge is for everybody.

    7. AS

      You think there are human beings-

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. AS

      ... whose one purpose on this earth is to procreate, who just do not have that in them?

    10. JR

      I don't think that's the one purpose on the earth anymore. I think at one point in time when there was, uh, less people, I think the urge and the imperative to breed was much more strong. It was much stronger and it was, it was much more of a focus. I don't think that... I think the way nature works, and this is me just completely guessing.

    11. AS

      Mm.

    12. JR

      When there's an abundance of people, like in h- in urban situations, people are much less likely to have children.

    13. AS

      Mm.

    14. JR

      Do you know that that's the, the argument for underpopulation, right? Uh, population collapse. This is why Elon keeps having kids.

    15. AS

      (laughs)

    16. JR

      Like, the population collapse-

    17. AS

      No, it's not. (laughs)

    18. JR

      ... is-

    19. AS

      He's not single-handedly trying to, like, bring the population back.

    20. JR

      But he literally is. Like, he's having-

    21. AS

      Joe.

    22. JR

      ... a bunch of kids with people with-

    23. AS

      He's having 10 kids.

    24. JR

      But he's having them with surr-

    25. AS

      It's nothing.

    26. JR

      He's doing it with surrogates. It's not like he's just shooting loads into people. Like, he's making embryos and in vitro fertilization, and it's like he's doing wild shit to make-

    27. AS

      That is the dorkiest way to have kids.

    28. JR

      ... to make people. But he's trying to do that. He's trying to make a lot of people.

    29. AS

      Yeah, but leave a load in, dude. Like, if you're gonna do the act, if you're gonna be with a person, you might as well enjoy it.

    30. JR

      But I think genuinely he wants to make as many people as he can, genuinely.

  9. 37:47 – 47:49

    Chappelle canceled in Minneapolis: protest tactics, definitions, and media framing

    1. JR

      Yeah, well, um, it's... We were talking before the podcast about what happened. So today is, uh... What's today's date? Today is the 22nd-

    2. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... which is a Friday. And, uh, just yesterday, Chappelle's Show got canceled-

    4. AS

      Yep.

    5. JR

      ... in Minneapolis.

    6. AS

      Yep.

    7. JR

      In a venue that was... Did Prince own it?

    8. AS

      I think that was the Purple Rain venue.

    9. JR

      Right.

    10. AS

      I don't know if he've ever owned it, but I think that was, like, synonymous with Prince.

    11. JR

      Right, with Prince.

    12. AS

      Yeah, I think it was called First Av.

    13. JR

      And something happened where these people-

    14. AS

      First Av.

    15. JR

      ... decided that Chappelle is problematic or transphobic or what have you.

    16. AS

      Mm-hmm.

    17. JR

      And so the venue, at the last minute, like a couple of hours before the show, canceled his performance.

    18. AS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      And he had to move it to the Varsity Theater.

    20. AS

      Yeah.

    21. JR

      And, uh, there was protests and-

    22. AS

      Yep.

    23. JR

      And you said one of your buddies was there?

    24. AS

      Yeah, one of my buddies went. So they moved it to this other theater and... First of all, the reason why they, the venue canceled is because all the people that work there threatened to not go to work. That's what I'm hearing.

    25. JR

      Of course.

    26. AS

      So it's not like they felt like this, you know, never-ending, like, urge to, like, protect the community.

    27. JR

      Right.

    28. AS

      They wanted Chappelle. Everybody wants Chappelle at the venue, but if everybody is at the venue is going, "I'm not gonna work," then you can't exactly have a show. So they do it at the other show, uh, this other venue, and then the protesters went to the other venue and were kind of like, I don't know, for lack of a better term, like, harassing the people that were gonna go to the actual show. And my buddy went there and they were trying to fight him. (laughs) And like, he wasn't even going to the show. He was going to see what was happening. He wasn't, like, part of, like, an anti-protest type thing. And what's funny is-

    29. JR

      Did he make a video?

    30. AS

      No, but, uh, he's a, he's a Somali kid, right? I wanna get you this end.

  10. 47:49 – 55:19

    How Schulz bought back his special: refusing edits, PPV urgency, and building an event

    1. JR

      So te- so te- but talk me through the process, 'cause this-

    2. AS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      ... we got sidetracked here. So, how does, how did this work without naming names, you don't ha-... Or if you wanna name names, I don't give a fuck.

    4. AS

      Nah, look, here's the thing. I, uh, the reason why I haven't named the streamer, and people have said a bunch of things, is 'cause, like, the guy there is a good guy and he fought for it. But people have bosses, and sometimes you have to do what the boss says.

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. AS

      So-

    7. JR

      So what was the scenario?

    8. AS

      Well, I sold a, a special.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. AS

      We had it ready to go, even before-

    11. JR

      Filmed the special.

    12. AS

      ... even before COVID, we had the deal.

    13. JR

      Did you, did you sell it before you filmed it?

    14. AS

      Yes.

    15. JR

      Okay.

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      So you had a deal.

    18. AS

      Yep, had a deal.

    19. JR

      And did they come-

    20. AS

      Everything ready to go.

    21. JR

      Did they come to see you live?

    22. AS

      They saw me live.

    23. JR

      They saw those jokes?

    24. AS

      They saw me live, yes.

    25. JR

      Wow.

    26. AS

      Okay?

    27. JR

      So they bought it, they go, "We like it. This is great."

    28. AS

      At the show you were at.

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. AS

      Okay? "We're good. Everything's good to go." (sighs) Basically, the Chappelle trans thing happens, and they freak out.

  11. 55:19 – 58:59

    Indie media playbook: Louis C.K., live platforms, YouTube vs. Netflix, and avoiding political mascotting

    1. JR

      Well, you know, that's what Louis C.K.'s been doing the last-

    2. AS

      He's-

    3. JR

      ... couple of times.

    4. AS

      ... he's, he's the inspo too. I gotta give so much credit to Louis because, like, if he didn't... And Tom Segura and Christina P, 'cause they were doing the, Your Momma's House live.

    5. JR

      Yeah.

    6. AS

      And I was like, "Okay, so-

    7. JR

      Have you done one of those?

    8. AS

      ... people will do it." No, but I-

    9. JR

      You need to get in on that.

    10. AS

      They're fun, yo.

    11. JR

      Oh my God.

    12. AS

      They-

    13. JR

      I did one of them.

    14. AS

      ... crazy.

    15. JR

      I did the... Oh my, it's insanity.

    16. AS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      The shit that they play-

    18. AS

      Is-

    19. JR

      ... because you could never, ever, ever-

    20. AS

      Flare up.

    21. JR

      ... ever, ever, ever, ever play them on YouTube.

    22. AS

      (laughs) Yeah, yeah.

    23. JR

      Impossible.

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      You only could do it on that platform.

    26. AS

      Yeah.

    27. JR

      That pay-per-view platform where people know what they're signing up for.

    28. AS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      It's horrific, man.

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  12. 58:59 – 1:11:51

    Pelosi trades, insider power, and conspiracy-adjacent political dark humor

    1. AS

      Mm.

    2. JR

      And right before they were about to announce this, uh, Nancy Pelosi's husband, sh-... 'Cause he knew apparently maybe? What do you think? Maybe he got some inside news? Uh, bought $5 million worth of NVIDIA stock 'cause he knew the shit was gonna go up, which is wild. That, that relationship with Nancy Pelosi and insider trading and her husband is wild. Do you know that she's better at stock market picks-

    3. AS

      Than Warren Buffett?

    4. JR

      ... than Warren Buffett and George Soros?

    5. AS

      She can do no wrong, bro.

    6. JR

      She should, she should quit what she's doing.

    7. AS

      You know why-

    8. JR

      She's better at that.

    9. AS

      ... she can do no wrong, Joe. You know why.

    10. JR

      Why? Them heavies?

    11. AS

      Them fucking heavies, bro.

    12. JR

      The heavies?

    13. AS

      Dude.

    14. JR

      (laughs)

    15. AS

      When I saw those things, dude. Dude-

    16. JR

      (laughs)

    17. AS

      Dude-

    18. JR

      Joe sends me a picture-

    19. AS

      Dude. (sighs)

    20. JR

      ... of her, and next to it is a guy, like, lifting weights.

    21. AS

      (laughs) Barnyard fucking bonkers, dude.

    22. JR

      Yeah. They're giant.

    23. AS

      It was, it was truly... Like, she's got implants, right?

    24. JR

      I don't think so.

    25. AS

      Come on, dude.

    26. JR

      I think th- they're so big-

    27. AS

      They were just sitting high like that? She's 80 years old.

    28. JR

      Well, they're, they're propped up.

    29. AS

      No, but no freckles or nothing. Like, they look, they look good.

    30. JR

      No freckles. The, the, the... You get freckles when they're big?

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