Joe Rogan Experience #1853 - Jeremy Corbell

Narrator 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Jeremy, it's all your fault.

Jeremy Corbell 0:14 Wh- which part?

Joe Rogan 0:15 How I got back into UFOs, it's all your fault.

Jeremy Corbell 0:17 Oh. Is it?

Joe Rogan 0:17 If it wasn't for that awesome documentary on Bob Lazar, you got me, buddy.

Jeremy Corbell 0:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:22 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 0:22 That one, that, you know, I wanna weaponize your curiosity, Joe. That's it.

Joe Rogan 0:26 (laughs) Oh. So what-

Jeremy Corbell 0:27 Dave, Dave Foley got you back in.

Joe Rogan 0:28 No, he didn't. No, no, um, Dave Foley, uh, I was excited to hear that he had become obsessed with UFOs.

Jeremy Corbell 0:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:36 But he didn't really get me back in. It was the documentary. The documentary was so compelling. It's really good, and folks, if you haven't seen it, it's called, uh, Area 51 and ... Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. It's, uh, it's on-

Jeremy Corbell 0:46 Nailed it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Yeah, it's really good.

Jeremy Corbell 0:48 Thanks, man. Um, that documentary, for me, was the reason why I started making films. I picked up a camera. I just wanted to know if the guy was telling the truth. Um, I was not a filmmaker. I was highly unqualified, like a lot of things that I do in my life that I end up loving. So that movie, the story is what made me interested too.

Joe Rogan 1:06 How'd you get Mickey Rourke?

Jeremy Corbell 1:08 Well, that's a fucking weird story. Um, there's a tattoo shop called Mark Mahoney's Shamrock Social Club. Do you know about this?

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah, I've heard of that place before.

Jeremy Corbell 1:17 Okay, so Mark's been a good friend of mine, or I've been a friend of his since I was probably too young to be getting tattoos. And he let me come in and film for a couple years right before that movie, and he doesn't let, like, let a lot of people in there to film. Um, and Mickey came in one day, and Mark's like, "Oh, you know, Jeremy's filming. Can ... You wanna talk to him about UFOs?" And Mickey's, like, looking at me like, you know, "What the fuck's this guy?" Somehow, he ends up taking this stiletto and trying to, like, stick me in the ribs with it. You know, like, just play-, kinda joking, but you got Mickey Rourke with a stiletto just getting a tattoo, kinda jabbing you with it, you know, that, so that kinda bonded us, kind of. He thought I was-

Joe Rogan 1:56 He was trying to stab you? (laughs) That's the point? (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 1:57 He was, he was poking, he was poking me. Yeah, he was, he was poking me in the ribs. So, um, that was my introduction to Mickey, but he's got this voice that's like a fucking Tibetan monk, you know, like gravelly.

Joe Rogan 2:09 Mm.

Jeremy Corbell 2:10 And, and I know 'cause I had to take his audio and listen to it, and it's just, it's so bizarre. And I thought, "Who better to do this, like, controversial story than the controversial Mickey fucking Rourke just talking poetry, you know-

Joe Rogan 2:24 Mm.

Jeremy Corbell 2:24 ... through the film?" So he was kind of that voice of our curiosity in the film, so that's how I got him. But basically, I just sent an offer, and he never responded. So I went back to the tattoo shop randomly one day to see Mark. In walks Mickey, and I, I made a joke. I was like, "Oh, you just like to poke me with a stiletto, but you don't take my movie offer seriously." And he goes, "What offer?" And I'm like, "I, I, I want, I need a narrator. Like, in the next seven days, I have to deliver the film." And he goes, "I never got the offer." The next fucking day, he came in, uh, 'cause I know Mark was telling him, "Oh, you know, help the kid out," you know? He came in, and he fucking recorded with me. He saved my ass, man. Otherwise, they'd have to hear m- my voice in the movie 'cause I didn't have anybody.

Joe Rogan 3:05 Well, your voice would've been fine, but it was cool to have his voice.

Jeremy Corbell 3:08 Well ... Thank you. I, I love that shit, man. People say his mouth sounds like he has marbles in it.

Joe Rogan 3:13 But he's, uh ...

Jeremy Corbell 3:13 I fucking love it.

Joe Rogan 3:14 That guy's lived a weird life, you know? (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 3:17 Yeah, but you know, he's ... I think people like that sometimes are misunderstood. Like, I've seen this, like, incredible side of him, in that he's, like, a gentle person, you know?

Joe Rogan 3:29 Hm.

Jeremy Corbell 3:29 You know?

Joe Rogan 3:29 Is he fascinated with UFOs?

Jeremy Corbell 3:32 He told me his UFO experience, and-

Joe Rogan 3:35 He had a UFO experience?

Jeremy Corbell 3:36 He did, he did, and he let me record it with him. And, um, I think like anybody, he's interested in this topic. I think once you see something that you can't explain, it, it gets worse, you know? You get a little more frustrated about it.

Joe Rogan 3:52 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 3:52 'Cause, you know, you wanna learn, "What did I just see?" So I think he, like most of us, you know, are, are interested in it.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah. Um, well, let's just get into it because there's been a lot going on lately. There's, uh ...

Jeremy Corbell 4:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 Uh, obviously there's been a shit ton of sightings, and there's been, uh, a lot of discussion, uh, with high-level people about what these things are, what they are. What, what is, what's the latest and greatest in UFO information?

Jeremy Corbell 4:22 Right. The, the world, in my opinion, has really changed since we started talking about this. So our history is, you know, you asked me to come in with Bob.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 4:33 We did that. Okay, the idea that there's craft, that maybe our government has some and been reverse engineering them, and then, uh, came in with Fravor, and we talked about his personal military encounter. And then our history goes to then Geo- George Knapp is here, who's like the godfather of the history of this. Bam, after that episode, man, things started really going crazy. And, and, and this is where our Senate and Senate Intelligence Committee and our Congress and our Senate was like, "We want a preliminary report. We now know that there were these UFO programs, AAWSAP and AATIP. We want a report." And remember, that was like pending, that was looming, a report's coming.

Joe Rogan 5:14 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 5:15 So George and I made a little plan t- to poke the bear. You know, we're like, "What can we put out that is like good, solid evidence that shows we need to talk about this?" So that's when we took the opportunity to make those drops. Right, and those drops were, uh, nine pieces of visual evidence that were filmed by our military. So if, if people were watching along that time, you'd see that in a series of a month, I think, um, we released images from an FA-18 out the window where they're saying they're seeing these things every day, photographs from an iPhone. I obtained and released video that was confirmed by the Pentagon in a rare move the next day on some of these drops that these are real unidentifieds, that they're being studied, and they were filmed by our military. They could've just denied it forever. So we like poked the bear. We'd drop them. Boom, boom, boom. Let's see ...... let's see what the world-

Joe Rogan 6:09 And now are you, you dropping 'em on Twitter? You dropping 'em-

Jeremy Corbell 6:12 Fucking...

Joe Rogan 6:12 ... on Instagram? Like, you're doing it everywhere? How are you doing that?

Jeremy Corbell 6:14 Just social media. Just start-

Joe Rogan 6:16 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 6:16 ... Instagram, Twitter, like that. I just, it, it democratizes this idea of information flow. I, I don't know everything that I'm putting out. I vetted and verified it, but then to have the Pentagon come in and confirm that ... Now, now they did that 'cause I made sure they had it the day, few days before I dropped it.

Joe Rogan 6:33 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 6:33 So it's like there was record that I provided it to them.

Joe Rogan 6:36 Got it. So these people, um, know you because of your documentary and because of your, uh, appearances on the podcast. And so these military guys with this information, they reach out to you.

Jeremy Corbell 6:48 Yeah. So, so that's ... E- even before my, even before my first documentary, you know, I was talking with Fravor. I got a tip. I had been on this beat. I'd been trying to find out more. So people would start to come to me. And then after those relationships have obviously been public where people bring me stuff, it's happening more and more. And a lot of more dis-info coming my way as well. People try to trick me all the time.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Like, what kind of stuff have you gotten?

Jeremy Corbell 7:13 Just give me fake documents, give me fake photos, hope I run with a fake story. You know?

Joe Rogan 7:18 Do you think it's just jerk-offs? Just like ... I don't know why I said that word that way.

Jeremy Corbell 7:22 Jerk, jerk-offs. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 Jerk-offs. Had a hard time with it. Do you think it's just jerk-offs, or do you think it's, uh, like, do you think it's ... Do, do you ever think the government is giving you misinformation? Or-

Jeremy Corbell 7:30 I'm the least paranoid person that I know.

Joe Rogan 7:33 Are you really?

Jeremy Corbell 7:33 Yeah. I, I, I am literally ... I always think everything's okay. My fucking dog can be dying and I'm like, "It's okay, baby. Don't worry about it." Like, I'm the least paranoid person. So other people say shit like that to me. To me-

Joe Rogan 7:45 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 7:46 ... you just got assholes that wanna confuse the topic. We do it to ourselves, you know?

Joe Rogan 7:50 Or people that just want attention.

Jeremy Corbell 7:51 Or, or-

Joe Rogan 7:51 For whatever reason.

Jeremy Corbell 7:52 Or people ... No, but it can be anonymous.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 7:54 Some of this fake stuff's anonymous so you get this thing where it's like maybe someone just wants me to make a mis- Everybody would love for me to be wrong on shit-

Joe Rogan 8:01 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 8:01 ... and make a misstep, and then they can discount everything else I've ever released.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Has ever- anything ever sent you something where you're, like, on the fence about? Where you're like-

Jeremy Corbell 8:08 Oh, dude-

Joe Rogan 8:08 ... "I don't know if this is legit or not"?

Jeremy Corbell 8:09 You know I sit on stuff for years, vetting it and having other people vet it. Yeah, I've got tons of stuff, videos-

Joe Rogan 8:15 For years, really?

Jeremy Corbell 8:16 For years. George goes crazy.

Joe Rogan 8:18 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 8:18 As a newsman, as a newsman you want to put it out right now.

Joe Rogan 8:20 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 8:20 He goes, "We can vet it right now real quick." And he's right, but I like to see where the person's coming from. I like to get to know them, you know? So I, I like to see what their motivation is.

Joe Rogan 8:29 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 8:29 Whether the information's true or not. I don't wanna be used.

Joe Rogan 8:31 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 8:32 So just to bring you kind of back up to date with ... You know, we kinda went through the history of how we're talking about this, and, and, and you're ... Thank you for giving attention to this topic. And more and more people are coming.

Joe Rogan 8:42 It's my guiltiest pleasure.

Jeremy Corbell 8:43 Oh, dude.

Joe Rogan 8:44 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 8:44 I think mine, too. You know this is not all that I do in life?

Joe Rogan 8:47 I know.

Jeremy Corbell 8:47 It's just what I love.

Joe Rogan 8:48 I know. (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 8:49 Yeah. "It's the guiltiest pleasure." Uh, so, so then, you know, big things have happened. So, so when George and I poked the fucking bear and we put out this footage, and it was vetted. I vetted it, right? Now I ... What it shows, that's up to other experts. I reported what I, what I was exposed to in classified briefings that I shouldn't have seen, and what I released is completely legal for me to re- to, to release. It was unclassified, but it was contained in a classified briefing. Now, if somebody sends me shit, you know, I open my email. What, what I, I can't-

Joe Rogan 9:23 We should probably tell people, like, what some of these videos are.

Jeremy Corbell 9:25 Sure.

Joe Rogan 9:26 One of 'em was those classic, those bizarre pyramid-shaped video, uh, the video pyramid-shaped-

Jeremy Corbell 9:31 Yeah, yeah. Triangle, by angle of observation and in the classified, um, section, it goes into depth that they were pyramids. There's a lotta argument about that publicly. Like, does it show an optical effect-

Joe Rogan 9:42 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 9:43 ... where it's, it's not what it appears?

Joe Rogan 9:45 That's not it.

Jeremy Corbell 9:45 No, I'll-

Joe Rogan 9:46 That's a different thing.

Jeremy Corbell 9:46 I can-

Joe Rogan 9:47 The pyramid ones were the ones that were in the lower ... If you see that lower, uh, lower column.

Jeremy Corbell 9:52 Or I can give you the videos.

Joe Rogan 9:52 Right, right below there to the left, the green. Right there, that's it.

Jeremy Corbell 9:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:56 So that's the ones that they were seeing.

Jeremy Corbell 9:58 W- Well, I ... There's good video and, and we should go through the pieces of footage. But the one on the left is what they're seeing every damn day on the East Coast. Um, that one would be considered one that has a payload, or could have a payload. So most are spheres, like, with cubes in them. That, that is the strangeness of it. Most of them are cubes surrounded by a translucent sphere. I've heard of pyramids-

Joe Rogan 10:21 Pyramid- so most of them?

Jeremy Corbell 10:23 Most of them that are on the East Coast right now with increased frequency, and also over war zones. So right now, people go- went so fucking crazy when I said this, and I know we're jumping around.

Joe Rogan 10:35 That's okay.

Jeremy Corbell 10:38 But over active war zones right now, there is such an increased frequency of what they call UAP or UFO, that they have these rules whether or not they fire upon them. And people got so mad at me for saying publicly on the news that we do fire at UAP, UFOs, because we fucking do. But why we do is not what people think. So when you have an active war zone, specifically the area of the world that I'm talking about in the Middle East, anything within 27 to 30 miles of ground troops gets fired upon. That's it. But I was exposed to documents that tell me a little bit more precisely how you choose what to fire upon. And what you fire upon is anything that appears that it could have a payload.

Joe Rogan 11:21 Really?

Jeremy Corbell 11:22 Yeah, 'cause it would be a threat. What do they do with, like, the cubes surrounded by this, these spheres? Fucking nothing, because they don't look like they have a payload so they disregard. They're not part of the mission. So my point in saying that kinda on the news, I don't need to prove to anybody it's true. It is true. I am ... I speak with people that are there right now. It is true. And there's been such an increased frequency since 2021 that it has been pushed up to kind of, like, critical where they're like, "Okay, these things are in our air space. We could have collisions." But more importantly, like, we see other countries firing on these. Russia, Syria. We know it's not their assets-... so the question is, whose are these?

Joe Rogan 12:11 So when you say firing at these, so ...

Jeremy Corbell 12:14 Hellfire missiles.

Joe Rogan 12:14 Right. So, you have this thing-

Jeremy Corbell 12:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:17 And which shape are these ones that have payloads?

Jeremy Corbell 12:20 Okay. Well, that's, that's what's crazy. So I, I do ... I have images of one that we fired on. And for the last-

Joe Rogan 12:26 Can you show us the image?

Jeremy Corbell 12:27 Um, I'll show you. I'll show you.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 12:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:31 Show me right now. (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 12:33 I'll show you.

Joe Rogan 12:34 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 12:34 I'll show you, but I, I think, I think it's-

Joe Rogan 12:35 You can't show it publicly yet?

Jeremy Corbell 12:36 I don't know, 'cause it comes from-

Joe Rogan 12:38 Why not?

Jeremy Corbell 12:39 ... because it comes from a document I probably shouldn't have seen, but, you know, people send things to me in ways that I can look at them, so ...

Joe Rogan 12:44 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 12:45 Anyway, let's talk about that later. So-

Joe Rogan 12:47 Okay. So does-

Jeremy Corbell 12:47 ... it looks like this. Looks like a fucking jellyfish, man.

Joe Rogan 12:50 Oh, is it jellyfish?

Jeremy Corbell 12:51 Yeah. I don't know, it, that, you know, it's stiff, but that, you know, about the size of, like, a big coffee table, that's the one at least that we've, that we fired on recently.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Big coffee ... Like this desk, maybe?

Jeremy Corbell 13:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 13:01 About 10 to 12 feet.

Joe Rogan 13:03 And then it looks-

Jeremy Corbell 13:04 Domed, and then it has, like ... And they're not all like this, but this is the one we're talking about that I know was recently fired upon.

Joe Rogan 13:12 And what do they think it's made out of?

Jeremy Corbell 13:15 See, that's the whole thing, man.

Joe Rogan 13:16 Is it, like, metallic?

Jeremy Corbell 13:18 That, that's the whole thing. There's no retrieval program that's known in, in these war zones. So even if they did hit something, like, first of all, would they be able to take it down, whatever it is? Right?

Joe Rogan 13:28 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 13:28 And by the way, we're eliminating that these are balloons, you know, drug smugglers who-

Joe Rogan 13:32 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 13:32 ... use balloons and shit like that. Th- these are, these are objects that, uh, have controlled flight. So, you know, back in the day with the Foo Fighters ... This is not a new phenomenon, right? Back in the, the day with the Foo Fighters-

Joe Rogan 13:45 People need to understand that it's not just a band. The Foo Fighters-

Jeremy Corbell 13:48 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:49 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 13:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, man. Uh, so World War II, you know, you had these, both sides of the war, you know, all sides seeing these metallic spheres outpacing their planes and they're like, "Oh, fuck. They're up to something. They got some cool technology." The problem is we found out both sides think it's, you know, the other side's.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 14:10 This has been happening for so long. I have an article, we can pull this up, I got an article from 1960, talks about a, a cube with a, with a lume ... with a sphere around it. A f- fighter pilot, military fighter pilot, for four days they were getting these. It was in the Alamogordo News paper. So I'm just saying that this is not-

Joe Rogan 14:29 That's ... Is that New Mexico?

Jeremy Corbell 14:30 Yeah. Alamogordo. Yeah. It's ... I think that's, you know, an interesting area. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:36 And so these Foo Fighters-

Jeremy Corbell 14:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:38 ... the, these, uh, was, were both sides reporting the same-

Jeremy Corbell 14:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 14:42 ... like, sort of formations and the same speed?

Jeremy Corbell 14:45 W- we thought it was their technology.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 14:48 They thought it was ours. What's happening right now in the Middle East with the o-

Joe Rogan 14:51 Same thing?

Jeremy Corbell 14:52 Yeah, because we're seeing Russians and Syrians fire on these and we're sometimes firing on them, but whose are they?

Joe Rogan 14:59 When you say we're seeing, so is this, like-

Jeremy Corbell 15:01 We're seeing-

Joe Rogan 15:01 ... reports from soldiers that you're getting? Like-

Jeremy Corbell 15:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:04 ... where, where are you getting this information from?

Jeremy Corbell 15:05 Okay. So people that work in these, um ... People that work in collecting this data are a little bit frustrated. And y- you know, that's why ... I wanna become unnecessary. Why do they come to me? Right? And I think they're, th- they're frustrated that they don't, th- they don't have a way to put it up through the chain of command. That they-

Joe Rogan 15:24 Hm.

Jeremy Corbell 15:24 That it gets lost in translation.

Joe Rogan 15:26 Or they just r- suppress it.

Jeremy Corbell 15:28 They don't even spend ... I don't even think it's nefarious. They just don't spend the gas to go look at something that doesn't ... it's not part of the mission.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 15:34 There's no proactive UFO, kind of like, discovery process. It's all kind of reactive.

Joe Rogan 15:41 That's one of the weirdest things about Commander David Fravor's account, is that when he was talking about, uh, being, uh, in radio communication with the Nimitz and they were saying, "We see these things every day," and he was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 15:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 "You see this every day? You see these Tic Tac-shaped things that shoot off faster than you can see and that l- literally can go from above 50,000 feet above sea level-"

Jeremy Corbell 16:06 80,000. That's right.

Joe Rogan 16:07 80,000 feet above sea level to z- to zero (fingers snap) like that.

Jeremy Corbell 16:10 So hypersonic velocity-

Joe Rogan 16:13 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 16:13 ... without signature, they call that.

Joe Rogan 16:15 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 16:15 That means ... And it was, it was ... Who's the guy? Uh-

Joe Rogan 16:17 No sonic boom.

Jeremy Corbell 16:18 Right, because that, that's the whole point.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 16:20 Moving faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom. Nothing-

Joe Rogan 16:23 No heat signature.

Jeremy Corbell 16:24 Nothing does that.

Joe Rogan 16:25 No n- visible means of propulsion.

Jeremy Corbell 16:28 You, you got it, man. That's-

Joe Rogan 16:29 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 16:29 So this is the mystery. This is the question. Like, I don't care where UFOs are from, you know? I don't care if it's extraterrestrial, if it's extratemporal. I mean, we can go through so many ideas.

Joe Rogan 16:41 What's extratemporal?

Jeremy Corbell 16:43 So, so here are the, the prime theories. They're extraterrestrial from another-

Joe Rogan 16:46 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 16:46 ... you know, world. Extratemporal, from another time, and you could say extratemporal-

Joe Rogan 16:50 Oh.

Jeremy Corbell 16:50 ... extradimensional.

Joe Rogan 16:51 What do you think?

Jeremy Corbell 16:51 It's the same thing.

Joe Rogan 16:52 If you had to put your money on it.

Jeremy Corbell 16:53 Oh, fuck. I ain't putting money on this. No fucking way.

Joe Rogan 16:55 A couple bucks.

Jeremy Corbell 16:57 A c- (laughs) Okay, well, that, that changes things.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Just for fun. Just for fun. Two bucks. I think I would-

Jeremy Corbell 17:04 I'm getting mixed message. What are you thinking? What do you think?

Joe Rogan 17:06 I would bet interdimensional.

Jeremy Corbell 17:09 Why?

Joe Rogan 17:09 That's what I think. I think there's something about the whole feeling of it that seems so weird. It's almost like alternative timelines. The whole feeling of it feel- feels so weird. It's also ... The problem is, is, is it's all of it is so exciting and so interesting that you get lost in the excitement and it's very difficult to get, uh, an objective mindset. To achieve an objective mindset.

Jeremy Corbell 17:36 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 17:36 Um, it's very hard for me to be objective 'cause I love it so much. But I th- I mean, look, we got a UFO there.

Jeremy Corbell 17:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:41 We got a fucking alien up here.

Jeremy Corbell 17:42 I mean, how cool-

Joe Rogan 17:43 We got, we got shooting stars in the ceiling.

Jeremy Corbell 17:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:45 It's like it's so ob- I'm obsessed with it. But I have this bizarre feeling that the more we're, we understand about reality, the more we're gonna realize that these, um, these physicists, these string theorists that create these models of the universe based on multiple dimensions that we can't access. I mean, there's ... I think they think there's 11 dimensions, right?

Jeremy Corbell 18:10 I don't have any idea.

Joe Rogan 18:11 Let's see if there's one-

Jeremy Corbell 18:11 I can barely believe there's one.

Joe Rogan 18:12 ... up to 26.There's 11-

Jeremy Corbell 18:14 It's up to 26?

Joe Rogan 18:14 ... like, agreed upon, but there's -- I've read that it goes up to -- there could be up to 26

Jeremy Corbell 18:18 I don't even know what that means.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Right. What does that mean?

Jeremy Corbell 18:20 I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 18:21 Right. Does that mean that there are existences inside these dimensions, like other universes and worlds? They just exist in a different dimension? I mean, is that what it means? I mean, is this, like, some Dr. Strange type shit?

Jeremy Corbell 18:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:34 I mean, is there -- are there ... You know, the thought of alternative timelines, that there's consistently different timelines that are happening simultaneously, like an infinite number of them, and that you accessed all of them depending upon your choices and how you live your life and what you do. And that they -- we, we think of this as being like a static state of existence, but it's actually not, that we float back and forth between all these different potential timelines and existences.

Jeremy Corbell 19:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:03 I, I see those things, the way they travel and the way they move-

Jeremy Corbell 19:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:07 ... and I wonder, like, if there were interdimensional travelers that had access to technology that just violated all of our understanding of-

Jeremy Corbell 19:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:16 ... how you could travel, that's kind of what it would look like.

Jeremy Corbell 19:19 And that, you know, that -- there's evidence to support that, and there's evidence to support the extraterrestrial thing.

Joe Rogan 19:26 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 19:26 And there's also evidence to support that they're showing us whatever we -- they want us to see.

Joe Rogan 19:31 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 19:32 So, so this idea that you could pop in to our timeline, that is consistent with what we see with these things, in that they seem to -- it's like there's a bubble around an area, and they, they seem to kind of come in. Some people can see it, some people can't. Sometimes it's on radar, sometimes it's not. Sometimes you can see it in thermal, but you can't see it in the IR. A lot of military guys see that when, when they track these things on radar. Can't see it visually, but it's fucking there.

Joe Rogan 19:58 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 19:58 So this idea -- there is consistency with the idea that they kind of pop into place, right there. There's also data that, that would suggest that these are extraterrestrial, in that our satellites pick these up. Now, head of, uh, d- I don't remember what he -- John Ratcliffe, who's the d- deputy director of defense, I, I think, he talked about that. He mentioned that. So all these admissions from people now, we're catching these on satellites. We're catching these, um -- so that's space -- in our, in the, in our airspace and then under sea as well, uh, USO or whatever.

Joe Rogan 20:36 So when you say they're catching them under seas, how are they-

Jeremy Corbell 20:38 Uh, optically or through our sensor systems under sea, we're able to track them, and sonar.

Joe Rogan 20:43 Is there any video of a thing that's under-

Jeremy Corbell 20:45 Nothing public yet that I know of, but, um, I am hyper aware of footage, sonar-based evidence under sea. If you noticed in the congressional hearings on UFOs, first time in 50 fucking years, by the way, um, when they brought that up, the under sea thing, they said, "Close, closed session." Couldn't say it fast enough. Like, "We're not gonna talk about that public session."

Joe Rogan 21:08 Really?

Jeremy Corbell 21:08 Yeah, because we have great fucking sensors under the ocean.

Joe Rogan 21:12 So ...

Jeremy Corbell 21:12 Defense sensors.

Joe Rogan 21:13 You think that there's something that can -- what, what is it called, a transmedium device?

Jeremy Corbell 21:19 That's right, transmedium, man. We talked about that-

Joe Rogan 21:21 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 21:22 ... years ago. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:23 And so this is something that could fly through space, and it also can go through the ocean?

Jeremy Corbell 21:26 All-domain.

Joe Rogan 21:28 So if this thing is manipulating ... Like, what the, what, what Bob Lazar described was something that essentially bent space and time around it.

Jeremy Corbell 21:37 That's right.

Joe Rogan 21:38 And moved in that wa- manner. Instead of being pushed by a force, like a rocket-

Jeremy Corbell 21:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 21:44 ... this thing is-

Jeremy Corbell 21:44 Or roller skates.

Joe Rogan 21:45 Yeah. This thing is grabbing a hold of space and time and pulling itself towards whatever destination it wants to go to.

Jeremy Corbell 21:53 Yeah. And that, that was the thing that really flipped my script, is the idea of, like, when I heard him say that when I was a kid, instead of pushing to get somewhere, c- 'cause look, the argument has been of course there's life out in the universe. I mean, look at the fucking web, you know, photograph. Of course there's, there's gotta be life homogestly out there, but they're never coming here. That was the Einsteinian thought, right? We can't travel faster than the speed of light.

Joe Rogan 22:18 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 22:18 Okay, well, that's like saying, you know, "Okay, well, I got a horse, but can you imagine, you know, one of Elon's rockets?" Maybe you can't imagine that.

Joe Rogan 22:26 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 22:26 Right? But this idea that you could fall in time and space, distance becomes irrelevant. Medium becomes irrelevant. That's where the transmedium craft, they believe, the people researching this within our government, believe that these craft are gravity propelled. That's why there's -- the new program's called All-domain, because it's space, air, and sea. And in the congressional language for the UFO whistleblower stuff that's going on, where people

Jeremy Corbell 22:56 can come forward, it's gonna be set into law. They've already written it. The language is amazing. People are gonna be able to come forward and talk about how, how they worked on legacy UFO programs, like reverse engineering programs. Like ...

Joe Rogan 23:08 So when you say people are going to be able to, means the government is gonna drop the restrictions that people were former employees ...

Jeremy Corbell 23:15 I feel like I'm doing a horrible job of getting people up to date with what's happening in the UFO, 'cause so much has happened. It's, like, overwhelming, but yes.

Joe Rogan 23:21 That's okay.

Jeremy Corbell 23:22 So what's happened is if we follow the steps, all of a sudden George and I, we release all this content. You know, people go kind of crazy over it. Then, um, they put out this preliminary report and say we had 143 cases and we solved, you know, one of them. And these are, like, military cases where there's, like, extraordinary movements with these craft. Then all of a sudden Congress is like, "Well, shit, you know, we had AAWSAP, we had AATIP. Who's studying this? Let's get a hold of it." And they got real interested, so they started saying, "Hey, you -- we need to start a program." Then, then the Department of Defense came up with some crazy ass acronym names that nobody could ever make out, AMSOG and shit like that. And Congress got even more pissed. I, as the way I, I read it, I mean, I know some of the people involved and their minds have been blown by what they've seen in these classified briefings. It changed their whole way of thought, and they realized that there are programs being hidden, illegal programs being hidden from congressional oversight.... related to UFOs. So their language now, it wasn't c- created in a void. When you read in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2023, UAP, it is UFO whistleblower language. If you've ever signed an NDA relating to one of these illegal programs without oversight dealing with UFOs, not only can you come forward, but they have changed it so that if there's any reprisal on you for coming forward, like let's say you work at Lockheed and you've been tinkering with some fucking UFO, and there's any reprisal on you, you have ways to, uh, like defend yourself. Like, they, they took away the cap of $300,000 of what, you know, has to be awarded to you if, if there's reprisal. Holy shit. All of a sudden ... And I, I know why, 'cause I know some of the people involved in this. They're, they're gonna let people ... They're demanding that if you have this information, you can ignore your NDAs. And I know people-

Joe Rogan 25:20 So let, let's, let's get into this.

Jeremy Corbell 25:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:21 So what is happening here?

Jeremy Corbell 25:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:23 So is it Congress does not have access to the information because the Pentagon has deals with these military contractors and they don't wanna release the information to Congress? Like why, why is there this dispute of information? Do they not have access to information that they wanna have access to?

Jeremy Corbell 25:45 For sure.

Joe Rogan 25:46 So that's why they're calling upon these people that have NDAs to come forward and that they'll protect them?

Jeremy Corbell 25:51 I think it's a, a perfect storm. And I'm just gonna ... This is just, you know, I'm not part of Congress and shit. So I, I'm gonna make an assumption from people I've talked with, right? I think what's happening here is the world has kind of become aware that UFOs are not fantasy. That there is a technological aspect, and that they fly with our, within our skies with impunity. And I think that this was stigmatized before, and I think we're talking about it now. And I think having that conversation has really made people say, "Hey, I wanna fucking find out if it's true."

Joe Rogan 26:31 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 26:31 And then when you read classified briefings and you see the data, even the, the preliminary shit, I think it changes your world view. So, so what's happening is, let's say, let's say Lockheed, 'cause Senator Harry Reid has said in his interviews with George publicly, "I heard for decades that they had, you know, uh, craft at Lockheed."

Joe Rogan 26:50 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 26:50 And he goes, "I asked ..." Senator Harry Reid, "I asked to get in there and to see it." And he goes, "They wouldn't give me the clearance." A- so he just straight said it.

Joe Rogan 26:58 Mm.

Jeremy Corbell 26:58 They wouldn't give him the clearance. So that was ... That kinda thing infuriates people, right? Now, imagine this. Imagine that you get, uh, people take action against you for talking about this stuff, like Lue Elizondo. You know, people, you know ... Luis' a straight guy, straightforward. You know, I've gotten to know him. There were actions taken against him, you know, kinda like what Lazar said happened to him, right? But this is, like, much more, like, public. They're saying he never worked in these programs. Harry Reid had to go defend him in a letter, right? There's other people you don't ... Th- that are not public that also have had, um, their careers tried to be squashed because they're poking around on this stuff too much, right? They have gone internally to say, "This has happened to me. Here's what I discovered. These are the programs." And then what's o- what's occurred is the investigatory branches that are looking into this, they're like, "Holy shit. This is real? And we don't have oversight?" And they've, it's been proven to them.

Joe Rogan 27:58 So when you say the data, when they look at the data, like, what's the most compelling data?

Jeremy Corbell 28:02 Yeah, I always want that question answered too. You mean for me or-

Joe Rogan 28:07 Well, for you first and then what do you think about for, like, the people that are questioning this?

Jeremy Corbell 28:13 It's so hard to live in a world now where you, you qui- y- y- you have to question everybody and everything, because for me, the most compelling evidence is not one video I can show you. It's not two videos I can show you. It's not documents I can show you. It's not the conversations I have with people. The world is creaking under the stress and the weight of the UFO reality. It's just omnipresent now. W- we're no longer just ignoring it. A- and our sensors have gotten better and the frequency has increased. So you've got pilots like Ryan Graves who, who's saying, "We were seeing these things every day."

Joe Rogan 28:51 Who is Ryan Graves?

Jeremy Corbell 28:52 Ryan Graves is an amazing pilot, uh, like Fravor, but his was in 2015, so the gimbal video where it shows-

Joe Rogan 28:59 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 28:59 ... the saucer-type craft. Those were, that was his squadron. And they'd go out and they'd see these things every day. And he was a flight safety guy, right? So he was, like, looking at this thinking, "This is an issue." If ... They almost hit one once, one of these cubes that, with the translucent sphere. So, so, so this is a, a safety of flight issue for a lot of people, right? I think it's, from a national defense standpoint, it's fucking important, right?

Joe Rogan 29:30 Sure.

Jeremy Corbell 29:30 Okay. So, so we've got these, we've got these hearings now, these public hearings on UFOs, right? This is the first time in 50 years that we've had public hearings. People fought for that. They wanted the public to hear about it. They weren't getting testimony from like Fravor and all of them, although they should. That's the next step. They need to have people with direct experiences come up and let them talk. Let them tell what their realities were. Get rid of these NDAs for them.

Joe Rogan 29:53 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 29:54 But in that hearing, the, the closer we get ... Th- George keeps saying this, and I just keep saying he's like a pessimist, but he's right. This is all fun and games until we get close to it, like any of the real stuff, any of the goodies. If, if, if we have craft and we've had it for a long time and we've been working on them, trying to reverse engineer them, if that is true, the closer the public gets to that, the harder the resistance. And we saw that, 'cause these UFO hearings ... Man-They showed one piece of the footage that I released for, like, the whole hearing. They're showing this one piece. It's the most inconsequential piece. It was from the USS Russell, it's the green one, the triangle by angle of observation thing. That's the ones that's easiest to kinda dismiss visually. What they didn't show is I released from the USS Omaha; radar, thermal, deck footage, um, I mean, just ... It's like cumulative evidence. Congress and Senate were asking, "What's up with UFOs?" And they got swamp gassed. Like J. Allen Hynek, like just trying to sh- put it under the rug. They go, "Oh, oh, we're pretty sure these were drones." That was never the argument. It's not if these were drones in 2019 swarming our navy ships. Y- you know, who was inside of one? It, they, they weren't big enough to hold people. It's not that they were drones. It was like some big revelation. Here's the question. Who were operating these units? How come we don't know that? Right off of the coast of California, 10 of our navy ships were simultaneously swarmed by unknowns, unidentifieds. They couldn't figure out the launch. They couldn't figure out the landing point. They don't know who was operating these.

Joe Rogan 31:35 And how far offshore were they?

Jeremy Corbell 31:36 I mean, it was within 100-mile radius 'cause all the ships that were in this area were experiencing, most of them, simultaneously, what they call swarming. But the thing is, is that I know for sure we don't know yet whose these were. How is that possible modern day?

Joe Rogan 31:51 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 31:52 I don't know where these are from. I'm not even claiming that.

Joe Rogan 31:55 And did these experience, or did they, they exhibit rather any extraordinary capabilities?

Jeremy Corbell 32:00 Depends who you ask. So, so the answer to that is when I get people ... And I, I actively hunt for direct eyewitnesses for all this. So I've spoken with people who are, you say, operating the SPY-1 radar system, the same one in the Fravor case, this great system, right? I also spoke with people who had visual on these things. Some people ha- say that they show one of what they call the five observables that means, you know, this goes into the UFO category, which is instantaneous movement, right? "Boom, (fingers snapping) straight up into space," was the exact words said to me. I've got people on the other end of the spectrum where they just saw lights. So no, in this case, it's not like Fravors. I don't have, we don't have footage of it, you know?

Joe Rogan 32:45 Right. Do they have data in terms of radar data of speed and-

Jeremy Corbell 32:49 Y- yeah. They, they do. They ... And that's what I tried to kinda tell the public by releasing one slide that, that said that they believed it, that these craft were transmedium 'cause the video I released, the black and white one from the USS Omaha, you can see it kinda phase out or drop into the water. They thought it was transmedium. They thought it went into the water. They sent a submarine, right, to try to look for it or wreckage. So I don't know with this case, man. I never hang my hat on one UFO case. What's interesting to me is the people involved, they feel like they failed at their duties. They didn't know precisely what to do in this situation, be- 'cause right off our coast. The thing is, is this is happening everywhere, man.

Joe Rogan 33:31 Do they have a protocol for what to do in those situations?

Jeremy Corbell 33:34 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 33:34 Like if you do encounter a UAP or UFO or whatever you wanna call it, and they think it might be from an alien planet or whatever the fuck they think it's from, do they, do they have a protocol?

Jeremy Corbell 33:45 Oh, you mean like the pilots that-

Joe Rogan 33:46 Yeah, I mean, is there like a military thing? Is there ... If you see a UFO, is there something you're supposed to do?

Jeremy Corbell 33:52 Now you can and are encouraged to report it, but before it was so stigmatized. And people that are, you know, ground level on this say there's still crazy stigma. But you are now being encouraged to report it, and these reports have to, in a short amount of time, go up the chain of command. So I think we're, we're getting better reporting now, I think because it's a safety of flight issue. But at that time in 2019 when these ships were swarmed ... Yeah, that's-

Joe Rogan 34:17 This is the one that-

Jeremy Corbell 34:18 ... the USS Omaha, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 ... that goes into the water?

Jeremy Corbell 34:20 Yes, that they believe that it, it ends up going into the water. That's what the documents said and the documents I was exposed to that I read made it, made an argument for that, made a case for that.

Joe Rogan 34:34 So it looks like now that it's hovering ... Boy, this is shitty footage.

Jeremy Corbell 34:37 Well, see, that's-

Joe Rogan 34:38 I want my money back, Navy.

Jeremy Corbell 34:40 I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 34:40 Don't spend your goddamn camera money on ...

Jeremy Corbell 34:42 But, but do understand that this is ... Why I could release it is 'cause this is an unclassified, um, platform that's being filmed. Otherwise-

Joe Rogan 34:51 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 34:51 ... that would not be cool of me to release.

Joe Rogan 34:53 So there it looks like it just went into the water.

Jeremy Corbell 34:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:55 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 34:55 And, and so the thing is, is that there were many that were doing this. Like, the guy, one of the people that was, you know, involved with these ships, fighting the ships, I was like, "Dude, where did they, where do they come from? 'Cause you got great radars and you, you have-"

Joe Rogan 35:08 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 35:08 "... all the data. What ... " And he goes, "I'm gonna really regret saying this, but they just seem to appear," which is so hard for someone who's, like, their job is to-

Joe Rogan 35:19 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 35:19 ... you know, deal with the ships, so.

Joe Rogan 35:21 But if something is traveling the way they described that tic tac to travel, it would be like it just appeared.

Jeremy Corbell 35:27 Yes, or if it was transmedium, then they go ... But, you know, the scan volume of the radar, it's ... We got different sensors underwater than we do above.

Joe Rogan 35:35 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 35:36 So like the s- the SPY-1 is good for high altitude. There's other radars that are good for middle and then underwater. So look, it's, it's anybody's guess. My, my whole thing is this. UFOs, whatever they're, whatever they are, they're machines.

Joe Rogan 35:55 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 35:55 That, that's at least an aspect of it. Where ... Who's controlling them?

Joe Rogan 36:01 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 36:03 You know, it ... Like, we should be able to answer some fundamental questions. And fuck, if we have one or more and we've been reverse engineering them or trying, which, which I'm confident we have been, beyond confident-

Joe Rogan 36:16 Because of what you have spoken to Bob about?

Jeremy Corbell 36:19 No, no. Not just Bob, man. My, my, everything. You know, all the people that come to me that I talk with, reports I've seen. Just, you know, I know it annoys the fuck out of people, just my cumul- my cumulative personal experience tells me, oh yeah, we, we fucking definitely have them. Not just Bob.

Joe Rogan 36:34 So where do you think they got these UFOs from?

Jeremy Corbell 36:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:37 If we do have something and we've been working on back engineering it, where do you think they got them from?

Jeremy Corbell 36:41 Yeah. I get different answers, man, uh, from different people. Um, so you say cra- like some are crashes, right? Which is like hard to fathom that something that advanced could crash.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 36:53 Um, but that's what I'm told. You know, is that some were crashes. That's what, you know, that's how I understand it to be. Now other people think maybe there were some from an archeological dig.

Joe Rogan 37:04 That's what Bob said. He-

Jeremy Corbell 37:06 I was surprised he talked about that.

Joe Rogan 37:07 Yeah. He said that there was one that they had spoken about at S4, that they said that they had recovered from an archeological dig and they said it was a long time ago and it's really old.

Jeremy Corbell 37:18 Yeah. I think people need to not feel like they have to believe one thing to believe the whole thing. I think there's a cumulative weight here, and I think that we're, we are prying open the doors. If you read this language in Congress and Senate about the UFO immunity, our world is about to change if we stick to our guns, if we push to get these answers. We're gonna find out one way or the other. Is this just some-

Joe Rogan 37:48 Right. We're, we're moving around a little bit here though. Let's go back to the, uh, these crafts that they're back engineering. Like how are they getting these?

Jeremy Corbell 37:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:57 And why do you think that they have them?

Jeremy Corbell 38:03 Okay. Well I'm ... M- my experience tells me that they're getting them from what you call crashes, like downed crashes.

Joe Rogan 38:08 Oh, so all of them? So none of them-

Jeremy Corbell 38:10 Not-

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... none of them like were a gift?

Jeremy Corbell 38:12 That's the other kind of, I'd say theory. Is some people-

Joe Rogan 38:15 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 38:15 ... that are involved in, in processing this information are like, "It can't have crashed, man. It was perfect. It was like they must have left it for us." Some people believe that. But how do we know? I mean, I just-

Joe Rogan 38:29 That sounds so hokey.

Jeremy Corbell 38:31 It, it does.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Both things sound hokey. The crash sounds hokey.

Jeremy Corbell 38:33 The whole fucking thing is extraordinarily bizarre. It doesn't-

Joe Rogan 38:36 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 38:36 ... mean it's not true though.

Joe Rogan 38:37 Right. That's the other thing that Bob said that I thought was really fascinating was that there was some documentation that they were, uh, showing him that claimed that we are the product of accelerated evolution.

Jeremy Corbell 38:50 He was shown a lot of shit, and he doesn't like talking about it because he doesn't know if it's just total fucking nonsense.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 38:58 You know, he is sure that they showed him shit just to see if he'd fucking say crazy shit.

Joe Rogan 39:04 Right. See if he'd talk.

Jeremy Corbell 39:05 All he, all he cares about is the, is what he saw, what he knows is real. But if, if you do just talk with him privately, they did show him, you know, a photograph of an autopsy of a being with a singular organ. They told him that, yeah, the human genome had been altered, you know. Um, just all sorts of crazy shit and he just has no idea if it's true or if it's-

Joe Rogan 39:30 Hmm. God, the whole thing is so-

Jeremy Corbell 39:34 ... frustrating.

Joe Rogan 39:34 It's so wild. I just wish, you know, if Bob's lying, my God, what a great liar.

Jeremy Corbell 39:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:42 He's amazing at it.

Jeremy Corbell 39:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:44 And he's been telling the same lie for 30 plus years. And then there's elements of it that, how would he know that? Like how would he know about element 115? I mean element 115 when he was talking about it was theoretical. It w-

Jeremy Corbell 39:58 Yeah. He got lucky. He's the lucky, he's the luckiest guy on earth.

Joe Rogan 40:00 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 40:00 He always chooses shit that ends up being fucking right.

Joe Rogan 40:03 I know.

Jeremy Corbell 40:03 Uh, you know, gravity-

Joe Rogan 40:04 That's funny.

Jeremy Corbell 40:05 ... waves and like, you know, how these crap o- Like look, man.

Joe Rogan 40:08 Explain the one, element 115 to people because, uh, we don't, people who don't know what we're talking about that haven't seen the documentary or haven't-

Jeremy Corbell 40:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:15 ... seen the podcast we did together.

Jeremy Corbell 40:18 So, so the way Bob understood it was that there's, he was working on power and propulsion, right? So of one of these, we call them flying saucers, you know, fucking alien vehicle.

Joe Rogan 40:28 That looked like this one-

Jeremy Corbell 40:30 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 40:30 ... right here. From Designed by Perry.

Jeremy Corbell 40:31 Exactly. Yeah. And, um-

Joe Rogan 40:33 The one that sat on the desk.

Jeremy Corbell 40:34 E- you know, even like aerospace people are like, "Well, if, if you know, it's the most ingenious thing," is the way he described it powered. You know, people are impressed by it. I'm like, "Maybe that's just what he saw." But anyway, so the 115 was the power source he said, and basically, you know, you put it in and it, it releases antimatter and creates a gravity propulsion, a, a gravita- a gravitational field and then you had directional, three directional emitters. Look, that's how they think these things operate. Traveling faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom, all, you know, transmedium, all domain. The- these things seem to defy typical propulsion. It's not outside of the realm of what we understand, it's outside of the realm of what we can replicate now. One day we might catch up.

Joe Rogan 41:25 And this element 115 that Bob talked about powering this spaceship-

Jeremy Corbell 41:29 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:29 ... was only theoretical back in the late 1980s when he first started discussing it.

Jeremy Corbell 41:33 Right. We hadn't synthesized it yet.

Joe Rogan 41:35 Right. Well, it wasn't a syn- synthesizing, it was, uh, it was created by a particle accelerator, right?

Jeremy Corbell 41:40 Exactly. So-

Joe Rogan 41:40 It really was detected 'cause it was, I think it was like for a-

Jeremy Corbell 41:43 But we smashed ... Right. So we kind of synthesized in that we smashed particles together-

Joe Rogan 41:48 Okay, I see what you're saying.

Jeremy Corbell 41:48 ... and then we're like, "Oh." For like a second, there it was.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Yeah. I think it's a, a fraction of a second.

Jeremy Corbell 41:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 41:53 And Bob always said that if he's right, if it was 115, that's how he understood it to be.

Joe Rogan 41:57 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 41:57 If he's right, then we will someday, you know, be able to make a nominal amount of it that will be stable.

Joe Rogan 42:04 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 42:04 That, that's, you know, what he says. You got another one of those?

Joe Rogan 42:08 Yeah. You want one?

Jeremy Corbell 42:08 Yeah, I'll try one.

Joe Rogan 42:09 All right. Here we go.

Jeremy Corbell 42:10 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 42:11 Nice. Yeah. The whole thing is just so interesting, man. It, it never ends.

Jeremy Corbell 42:17 Yeah. It never ends. It is interesting. I just like ...

Joe Rogan 42:22 ... until something actually happens, and my thought is like, when something actually happens, how will people handle it? "UFO whistleblower could get immunity under new amendment." So this is what you were talking about?

Jeremy Corbell 42:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:34 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 42:35 Yeah, yeah.

Narrator 42:35 Proposed for the-

Jeremy Corbell 42:35 Absolutely.

Narrator 42:36 ... next.

Jeremy Corbell 42:36 And, I mean, the, the thing is that I know some of the people doing this, and they're like, you know, they want some nominations, man, you know? Who should talk to them? Well, you got your own fucking logo, there.

Joe Rogan 42:47 Here you go, buddy.

Jeremy Corbell 42:48 Thanks, brother.

Joe Rogan 42:49 Yeah, these are, uh, Foundation Cigar, JRE Cigars. They're good. (paper rustles) Shout out to my friend Nick from Foundation Cigars, too, hooked me up with that cabinet. (inhales deeply) Got a full humidor up in this bitch now.

Jeremy Corbell 43:04 Wow. (lighter clicks) Thank you.

Joe Rogan 43:07 Um, so, uh, so this element 115.

Jeremy Corbell 43:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:12 This is, uh, proven by a particle accelerator, and Bob Lazar's claim was that they had a stable, um, amount of this element 115 that had come from this other place. And did they know where this other place was, where this s- s- st- element 115 supposedly had come from? What oth- another planet?

Jeremy Corbell 43:33 Yeah, I mean again, this is like, what he was told, so he's kind of allergic to-

Joe Rogan 43:37 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 43:37 But, um, you know, he said that the documents said Zeta Reticuli, like, you know, uh, I guess a binary star system or something, that's what were in the documents. Now, if that's true or not... Look, remember, he thought it was the US. He thought this vehicle was ours.

Joe Rogan 43:53 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 43:54 And then, he, he, until he walked inside of it. That's his whole thing. It blew him away. You know, it, it's hard to buy what someone like Bob is telling you if you don't know the person. You see people in their lives, man.

Joe Rogan 44:10 Like, what do you... Imagine being him, and that actually happening to you, and then you having to go back to reality.

Jeremy Corbell 44:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:18 And tell people or not tell people, just live your life, and have the burden of this information, the burden of this thought. Just, uh, turn it upside down the other way. There you go. Flip the top. (inhales deeply)

Jeremy Corbell 44:32 I gotta flip the top.

Joe Rogan 44:33 There you go, and then pull down.

Jeremy Corbell 44:35 There you go.

Joe Rogan 44:36 I mean, the burden of that kind of information, when even discussing it, you seem like such a psycho. (laughs) You know?

Jeremy Corbell 44:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Most people, almost instantaneously, o- m- other than a real journalist like George Knapp, most people are going to think you're out of your fucking mind.

Jeremy Corbell 44:55 Yeah. They just dismiss you, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 44:58 Why would you, why would you even do it? Like, what would be your motivation? What would you get out of that?

Joe Rogan 45:05 Well, his motivation was he was seriously worried that they were gonna take him out-

Jeremy Corbell 45:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:10 ... because he knew so much and, uh, they had cut off of his t- For folks who don't know the whole story, just give you a brief synopsis, what happened was Bob, allegedly, was working on back engineering these aircrafts, these vehicles, these spaceships, and, uh, in doing so, you have to have a very high level of clearance. Well, with that high level of clearance comes complete government surveillance. So, they monitor your phone calls, monitor everything. Turns out Bob's wife was having an affair, so they don't tell Bob that his wife's having an affair, but they cut off his job. They're like, "You're too ... you ... the ... Too much of a potential to be emotionally unstable. We can't have you working on these top-class, super sensitive things-"

Jeremy Corbell 45:54 Yeah, it's logical.

Joe Rogan 45:55 ... while ... Yeah, "While your life is probably gonna fall apart."

Jeremy Corbell 45:57 He was about to find out some bad shit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 So he doesn't know this, and so he's, uh, they don't give him any information, so he freaks out. And so he starts telling his friends. He's like, "Come with me. I'll show you the launch. I'm not lying."

Jeremy Corbell 46:09 People forget that.

Joe Rogan 46:10 Yes.

Jeremy Corbell 46:11 It, he, he went out, and he showed people a craft that didn't look like any normal craft, come up right when he said it would-

Joe Rogan 46:18 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 46:19 ... over a base that wasn't even known then really well, and a sub-base, an area not Area 51 proper. He, again, he's the luckiest motherfucker in the world. He did it three weekends in a row till he got caught.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 46:31 So it's just like, man, every time you try to call bullshit on him... I tried so hard on so many things, motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 46:36 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 46:37 Uh, you, people think I'm just some fucking believer. I'm not, bro.

Joe Rogan 46:39 The only thing that people have ever called bullshit on him is that he said he might have seen an actual alien. But he said, w- he was walking down a hallway and looked through one of those little tiny windows (inhales deeply) that's in a door, you know, those little tiny, like, uh, 12-inch square windows. And he peered in it quickly as he was walking by and it seemed like there was a small thing that was sitting on a chair, and there's people standing over it. But he doesn't know if it was a doll. He doesn't know if it was a ... And so, in his mind, he's like, "Fuck, did I see an alien? Like, what the fuck?" But he can't go back. It's not, uh, like, everything's ... If you work on top secret stuff, apparently, everything's very compartmentalized. Like, the people that work on metallurgy don't have access to the people that work on propulsion that don't have access to the people that, if there is a biological entity, that they examine it.

Jeremy Corbell 47:27 Which frustrated the fuck out of him. Right? 'Cause he said, "That's-"

Joe Rogan 47:31 That's not how you do science.

Jeremy Corbell 47:32 It's not how you do science.

Joe Rogan 47:33 Right, you have to collaborate.

Jeremy Corbell 47:34 And he, and he, he says, "I wasn't the most qualified person to be there."

Joe Rogan 47:37 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 47:37 "Maybe they hired me 'cause they could easily dismiss me." You know, he's like, "Why didn't we have better people on this?" You know, people that were more... Uh, so he was really frustrated. And he said to me like he thought it was a crime against the scientific community, you know, to, if they have this stuff, like he says, you know, he says it was a, a crime. And, you know, he, he talks about that thing through the window. He's so funny about it. You know, I sat him down for long, you know, many sessions, long, really trying to get at him, get it out of him.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 48:07 He goes, "You know, Jeremy, I think they were just obsessed with measurements." I go, "What do you mean?" And he, and he's like, "Well, look, there was somebody in, something in that chair, but it was small. Maybe they were trying to just measure it to see if it would fit in a craft." So that's how he kind of gets around, like, did he see something or not? He doesn't know.

Joe Rogan 48:24 Right, like it could've been a doll that they-

Jeremy Corbell 48:26 That's what he s-

Joe Rogan 48:26 ... constructed that was roughly the same height as these things were.

Jeremy Corbell 48:30 He just doesn't wanna go there, right?

Joe Rogan 48:32 And so, these creatures that were in this vehicle, if there were, uh, were creatures in this vehicle-

Jeremy Corbell 48:37 There were three seats.

Joe Rogan 48:38 Yeah, and he estimated they had to be how big?

Jeremy Corbell 48:41 ... your typical, like, what you think of as a little gray alien, man. Three, four feet.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 48:46 He said they look like they were made for children.

Joe Rogan 48:49 Mm-hmm. The seats.

Jeremy Corbell 48:51 Yeah. And so, look, and every time I try to be like, dismiss Bob myself, there's something that creeps in my mind. I'm like, "Hold on, hold on." Like, I find out that he, that he was telling the truth. Like recently, I had it verified that, you know, he did work at Area 51. Like I know a-... I know I had a guy, I found the guy after 30 years that, that wouldn't, he wouldn't talk about George, the guy that did his security clearance.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 49:11 I found him. I talked to him multiple times about this and he did clearance for Bob for the test site. But even more recently, from people that have position to access that information, it was confirmed. I just want you to know, he worked out there. Now, I have people that were out there that saw him on a Janet flight. Bob worked out there.

Joe Rogan 49:32 And a Janet flight is-

Jeremy Corbell 49:34 Uh-

Joe Rogan 49:34 ... those, uh, unmarked planes that would leave from the, uh, Vegas airport and head into Area 51.

Jeremy Corbell 49:41 That's right. And, and, uh, you know, so here's the deal, man. Like, it's the cumulative evidence about Bob that I, you know, as a friend of his, now, like, I, you know, I have no reason to doubt him. And all the evidence tells me that it happened exactly like he said, and he's explaining it to the best of his ability. And to his own detriment, actually before coming on your show, man, he's probably the most hated dude. For some reason, people go crazy about him. Either love him or hate him. 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 50:08 Well, I think your documentary turned a lot of people's opinions about him as well.

Jeremy Corbell 50:12 Thank you, brother.

Joe Rogan 50:12 But then having him on, I mean, some people still call bullshit. They think, like, his migraines-

Jeremy Corbell 50:17 That's o-

Joe Rogan 50:17 ... were convenient and all that, but-

Jeremy Corbell 50:18 Oh, come on. You saw it. Yeah, you saw them.

Joe Rogan 50:19 So he was having them.

Jeremy Corbell 50:20 Are you kidding?

Joe Rogan 50:20 He was having them in the green room before we started going on.

Jeremy Corbell 50:22 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 50:22 He was very nervous about doing it.

Jeremy Corbell 50:24 Of course, man. He'd been beat up his whole life about this shit. Also, I gave him McDonald's before-

Joe Rogan 50:28 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 50:28 ... and I think his wife was super pissed at me and I was like, "Are you gonna give him a salad?" No, he gets really, like, crushing migraines, but y- you know, people that are gonna call bullshit on that, we're talking about fucking UFOs. If you're gonna call bullshit on a migraine, what are you even listening for?

Joe Rogan 50:40 I, I, I didn't feel like it was bullshit.

Jeremy Corbell 50:42 It wasn't bullshit.

Joe Rogan 50:42 I felt like the whole thing was f-... It was uncomfortable for him, for sure. But it didn't seem like he was lying. But, you know, look, there's some people that are really good at lying. But usually when you're really good at lying, you lie about a lot of stuff.

Jeremy Corbell 50:55 Yeah, that's the thing.

Joe Rogan 50:56 You don't, you don't lie about-

Jeremy Corbell 50:56 There's a con- there's a consistency-

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 50:58 ... in people's lives. And the deeper I got in, chilling with his mom, chilling with his family, chilling with-

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 51:03 ... friends that have known him forever. New friends. Every single person. And he doesn't talk to them about UFOs, by the way. Like all that, he never talks about that. Just normal life situations.

Joe Rogan 51:13 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 51:14 The, the, the one thing they all said to me, "Bob wouldn't waste his fucking time with making up a story, and he'd probably make up a better one." But and the re-

Joe Rogan 51:23 (laughs) Right.

Jeremy Corbell 51:23 He would. And Bob always says it. He goes, "Man, I wish I could fill the voids for people." He goes, "It's a horrible fucking story, but it was... it happens to be what happened."

Joe Rogan 51:30 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 51:30 "I- if I was making one up," he goes, "Man, I got some other cool ideas." Like, you know what I mean? But-

Joe Rogan 51:34 Right, of course. Of course. And also, it's like if you're a liar, you generally lie a lot. Like, liar- liars don't just lie one time-

Jeremy Corbell 51:42 That's right.

Joe Rogan 51:42 ... in their life and then you catch them. You... They're inconsistent, like, he was lying long before there was an internet. I mean, or excuse me, he was telling the story long before the- there was an internet. So if he was lying-

Jeremy Corbell 51:53 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:54 ... like in the late '80s, like, it... There w- there would be inconsistencies in his story.

Jeremy Corbell 52:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Like, he would forget how he said it, he would fuck something up, or...

Jeremy Corbell 52:04 Dude, for the research I did for this... for the documentary, like, I, I told them, "You gotta give me full access to your life, dude. Like boxes, whatever. Don't open them."

Joe Rogan 52:11 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 52:11 "Let me get all your tapes, everything."

Joe Rogan 52:14 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 52:14 I was so shocked, like, people, th- if they're trying to hide something, they're real careful around you, you know?

Joe Rogan 52:21 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 52:22 Just, that's nev-... That was not my experience, but here's my other thing is, like, do we have to believe any one single person to understand that this is-

Joe Rogan 52:31 No.

Jeremy Corbell 52:31 Yeah, this is a real phenomenon.

Joe Rogan 52:32 No, but he's o- one of the more interesting cases.

Jeremy Corbell 52:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 52:36 Because if he's telling the truth, that means that the government has been working on these things for decades and decades.

Jeremy Corbell 52:42 Yup.

Joe Rogan 52:42 And that they have gotten this... They've gotten themselves in this pickle where they can't publicly disclose what they know and what they have access to because they've had all these people work on these things secretly and they sort of have, uh, a, a long history of hiding information.

Jeremy Corbell 53:02 Right. Now, think about this, right? Like I, I've been down this path myself mentally. I happen to know that there was... I, I happen to trust that there was a reverse engineering project, separate from Lazar and everything he told us, right? It's a separate thing, from a, a Russian UFO crash that dealt with laser weaponry. There was a derivative exploitation project on the laser as a weapon. I know somebody that worked in that program that I, I feel it to be a true story. Imagine the derivative technologies that you could get for something, like, highly advanced, just working on it. You're not gonna be able to make a UFO because the material science, we haven't caught up yet, how to perfectly layer atoms to make the, like, the, t-

Joe Rogan 53:51 Metallurgy?

Jeremy Corbell 53:52 Yeah, yeah. Uh, we will one day have that ability, but our material science is what I think holds us up from, like, making a craft, right? But what can we learn from one of these pieces of technology? And my understanding is, a fucking shit ton of derivative technologies have come from looking at these advanced materials.

Joe Rogan 54:12 That was always the assertion, tha- that was the, the thing the American Com- Computer Company. Do you remember them?

Jeremy Corbell 54:18 I've heard a lot of stories that they, yeah, they've leaked things to private industry. I mean, fuck, I would do that.

Joe Rogan 54:22 This is weird. UFO landing is fact, not fantasy, the Russians insist. So this is 1989. So this is from 1989- Yep. ... in The New York Times.

Jeremy Corbell 54:29 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:30 So read the beginning of this, it's-

Jeremy Corbell 54:31 I, I like Jamie, because he goes, "This is weird."

Joe Rogan 54:33 "It's not a joke, nor a hoax, nor a sign of mental instability, nor an attempt to drum up local tourism by drawing the curious," the Soviet press agency TASS insisted today in discussions of what it called an extraterrestrial visit to southern Russia. Residents of the city of..." How do you say that? Voronezhe-zez-Vorone- how do you say it?

Jeremy Corbell 54:55 I don't ... You did good.

Joe Rogan 54:56 Voronezh? (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 54:57 (laughs) I don't know, man.

Joe Rogan 54:58 It's V-O-R-O-N-E-Z-H.

Jeremy Corbell 55:01 There you go.

Joe Rogan 55:01 Good luck with that.

Jeremy Corbell 55:02 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 55:03 Insisted today that lanky, three-eyed extraterrestrial creatures had indeed landed in a local park and gone for a stroll, and that a seemingly fantastic report about the event carried Monday by the official press agency TASS was absolutely true. "It was not an optical illusion," uh, said Lieutenant Sergei A. Matveyev of the Voronezh ... however you say that-

Jeremy Corbell 55:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:30 ... uh, District Police Station, who said in a telephone interview that he saw the landing of the UFO on September 27th. Lieutenant Matveyev confessed that he had not actually seen the aliens, but that he saw the spaceship, and that it was certainly a body flying in the sky, moving noiselessly at a very high speed and a very low altitude. He said, "Anything is possible." "To be honest," Lieutenant Matveyev said, he was a little skeptical himself when he first saw the object. "I thought it might be ... I must be really tired, but I rubbed my eyes and it didn't go away, and then I figured in this day and age anything is possible." Isn't that funny? 1989.

Jeremy Corbell 56:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 56:08 In this day and age. Using, using the sensational tone that has lately infected the once staid TASS, the press agency today provided more details of the UFO landing in Voronezh, a city of some 300 miles southeast of Moscow.

Jeremy Corbell 56:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Huh.

Jeremy Corbell 56:26 I mean, it, it stands to reason that we know that these ... They are machines, right? We know they can do things that we're un- incapable of creating right now. Like, there's gotta be somebody controlling them. What-

Joe Rogan 56:39 Look at this, look at this statement.

Jeremy Corbell 56:41 What?

Joe Rogan 56:42 "The three-eyed creature, about nine feet tall and fashionably dressed- "

Jeremy Corbell 56:47 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 56:47 " ... in silvery overalls and bronze boots, with a disc on its chest, disappeared, then landed and came out for a promenade with a companion and a robot. The alien seemed to communicate with each other, producing the mysterious appearance of a shiny triangle, and activated the robot with a touch." Huh. It's so, it's so hard, you know, you, you're dealing with, like, people, "I saw this." Like, who-

Jeremy Corbell 57:15 Yeah, I deal with a, I deal a lot of the human aspect of this, (laughs) you know?

Joe Rogan 57:20 Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 57:20 Like, talking to people about it. You actually said something to me one time that really struck me about this. I was ... I called you ... Or we were talking on the phone and I was frustrated, and I said, "I can't wrap my head around, if this is true, why there's so much content, why there's so many types of crafts." Like, we could go map the moon, you know, with, like, one satellite in, like, two weeks if we decided to do it. And you said to me, "Maybe it's fucking easy to get here." You said that to me, and it made me think, if ... Maybe it is just easy to get here. Whatever these things are, maybe they're not from far away.

Joe Rogan 57:59 Well, or maybe it doesn't matter if they're from far away, because their ability to transcend space-

Jeremy Corbell 58:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:04 ... is very different than what we understand. Like, if you talked to someone from the 1400s and said, you know, "Oh, uh, I live in California, but I wanna visit Italy," they'd be like, " (scoffs) ."

Jeremy Corbell 58:16 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 58:16 How the fuck are you gonna visit Italy?

Jeremy Corbell 58:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:18 You gonna get on a boat for a month? Like, what are you gonna do? How much food do you have? Are you gonna get scurvy?

Jeremy Corbell 58:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:22 Like, what are you doing? But today, like, oh, yeah, of course you are.

Jeremy Corbell 58:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:26 You're like, "I'm gonna go to Hawaii." Of course you are. You don't have to worry about rowing out there for four months. No, you're just gonna go, you're gonna fly. Me and the family, we're gonna go to Maui, it's gonna be great. It's ... Like, our version of travel is so radically different-

Jeremy Corbell 58:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:39 ... than people that lived 500 years ago, 1000 years ago. What is it like 1000 years from now? Well, it might be radically different to the point where you're, you can just visit extraterrestrial planets.

Jeremy Corbell 58:52 M- maybe, maybe it would be as simple as just the, the tourism. And I make that joke, they like our top hats, kimonos, and cupcakes. They just fucking, like, coming here. We're really cool to watch, you know?

Joe Rogan 59:01 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 59:02 Maybe, maybe.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Y- it could be that it's a part of scientific inquiry. It could be they're gardeners, they're coming back to see how their crops are growing.

Jeremy Corbell 59:09 Right. Or maybe it's a combination. If it's easy for one group-

Joe Rogan 59:12 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 59:12 ... maybe it's easy for a lot.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 59:15 I mean, the, the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis, right? Just in the, in the Journal of, like, Cosmology or something. I don't know, I'm gonna fuck that up. Hal Puthoff, he lives out here in, in Austin. He just published a paper, peer-reviewed paper, I think, about the idea that maybe they're from here.

Joe Rogan 59:34 From here how so?

Jeremy Corbell 59:36 Like, as if-

Joe Rogan 59:36 I've n- I've heard that name before. How do I know that name?

Jeremy Corbell 59:38 Yeah. Through so many things. Like, he was, back in the day, working for the Stanford Research Institute studying remote viewing.

Joe Rogan 59:44 Mm.

Jeremy Corbell 59:44 And, like, this guy's always been kinda, um, cutting edge-

Joe Rogan 59:47 Frenzied?

Jeremy Corbell 59:47 Well, you-

Joe Rogan 59:48 (laughs)

Jeremy Corbell 59:48 You sa- ... Well, you know what? That's kinda the funniest shit, right?

Joe Rogan 59:50 Right. Sure.

Jeremy Corbell 59:50 Like, um, you get paid to, to study consciousness?

Joe Rogan 59:53 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 59:54 Fuck yeah, I'll do it. You know? So ... But, you know, he's had access to a lot of information because of that, so he's one of the people, when he, when he speaks, I listen, right? What does he have to say about it?

Joe Rogan 1:00:04 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:00:04 He wrote this paper and it ... Well, he wrote it a long time ago and kinda worked on it, I guess, but it was published yesterday in a scientific journal. And it, it proposes this idea of the ultra-terrestrial. So, like, something that's been here a long time. Maybe, like, aliens got here and got stuck, or a civilization that was so advanced and there was some world catastrophe so it hid itself, and now it just kinda lives here with us. And maybe they have investment that we don't fuck up the planet, that we don't blow ourselves up. You know, maybe that's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Hm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:00:36 Maybe they have some investment, other than your crop theory, you know? The idea that we're just a commodity.

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 Well, I don't think we're necessarily a commodity, but I think ... I don't think we would have a problem with going to a planet and planting life. Like, imagine if we've, we've found a planet and it's like Earth of-... three billion years ago, right? There's, like, some plant life and some fungus, but there's no animal life, no marine life. And we just planted life there-

Jeremy Corbell 1:01:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 ... and monitored it.

Jeremy Corbell 1:01:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 And watched it grow and evolve. And maybe they have an understanding of, there's a process. Maybe there's a process that... Like how I said process, now process.

Jeremy Corbell 1:01:17 Yeah, I, I kinda like that.

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 All right. Like I'm from England.

Jeremy Corbell 1:01:18 Super fancy man.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Um, maybe there's some sort of a process where they understand that all life takes a very specific path, and that, that is a path of increasing complexity, right? If you, and that is... I- if you wanna, like, simplify life on Earth, you would go back to the earliest form of life, which is single-celled organisms, right? Well, why did single-celled organisms become multi-celled organism? Because they're, they're complexifying. They're m- becoming more complex. And then they ultimately become, uh, hominids that create tools, and they ultimately lead to the industrial age, and they ultimately lead to the technological age that we're, we find ourself in right now. Uh, these, the, the, the thing that they have that's clear is it's constantly a path of ever-increasing complexity. Now, um, when you look at the work of Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson and Dr. Robert Schoch and, uh, all, all the people that have studied, uh, ancient civilizations and the possibility that there's been a reset along the way, it seems that perhaps there's been some periods of great growth and then some sort of cataclysmic disasters, you know, asteroid impacts and the like, that has s- sent civilization back down, and then it rebuilds back up again. But it always rebuilds back up again.

Jeremy Corbell 1:02:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 It always seems to be on the path of ever-increasing complexity and constant innovation, at least amongst the most sophisticated of creatures, which we like to think of ourselves as. Maybe that is just a, a course in, in the universe for life. Maybe all life follows that course.

Jeremy Corbell 1:02:59 Yeah. And we're, and we're biologically developing too. I mean, we're-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Yes.

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:02 ... evolving, you know, every... So, you wanna hear something fucking crazy?

Joe Rogan 1:03:06 Yes.

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:06 Okay. This morning, I was talking with a guy named Gary Nolan. Do you know... Have you ever heard his name?

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 I have.

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:13 Yeah. So, he... You know, Stanford professor. He's, you know, been working for 10 years studying MRIs of the brains of people like pilots, who have had close encounters. And what they found over this 10-year study, there was a CIA study, but he just openly talks about it now. It's all out in the open, which is cool. There was damage. Like I've seen the, the images, some of them. There's damage to the brain when people get close proximity to one of these power sources, like when they get close to-

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 Damage?

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:41 Yeah, fucking white matter damage to their brains from having close proximity to a UFO or UAP.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Like, when you say close, you... Are you talking like Commander David Fravor close?

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:55 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 Or people on the ground?

Jeremy Corbell 1:03:57 The- there were some ground stuff. Uh, yeah, close like there's an encounter where it's... Like, let's just say you could throw a rock at it. How about that?

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:04:05 To just make it-

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 Did Commander Fravor go through these examinations?

Jeremy Corbell 1:04:08 You'd have to ask Commander Fravor that. So, basically, this study found conclusively that there is damage that occurred, not intentionally, but it's like radiation-type damage.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Can I propose something?

Jeremy Corbell 1:04:23 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Maybe these people that have been examined, maybe the damages would cause them to see these things in the first place.

Jeremy Corbell 1:04:30 Okay. Let me f- let me... Now, now we're gonna get real fucking weird, 'cause check out what they discovered. They discovered, in doing these studies on damaged brains, that there is a part of the brain that in a lot of these UFO encounter people, their neuro density in that area of brain is like one in a hundred. And they've found out through this study that that part of the brain, that it deals with intuition, impulse decision-making. So your intuition, you know, like hunters, right? They need like really good intuition to have... So the, the impulse, just knowing when to do something. They've studied it in, uh, like, I guess he said like a Japanese form of chess. I don't know the game.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 Go?

Jeremy Corbell 1:05:12 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 Oh no, that's Chinese.

Jeremy Corbell 1:05:13 I don't know. May- maybe it was a Chinese-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 1:05:15 B- some... They studied it that there's neuro density in this area when people make these intuitive moves in a form of chess.

Joe Rogan 1:05:21 Okay.

Jeremy Corbell 1:05:23 They found out that these people are way more likely to have a UFO encounter. So it's the opposite of what you said. The damage was caused by the close proximity to the propulsion system. But what they found out is that these neural density area, I forget the name of the brain, the part... They call it the brain within the brain, you could probably look it up. It's just... Now, even weirder than that, and I think Gary should tell you this, but even weirder than that, they found that couples are partnering who have these neuro dense areas, like more than would be random.

Joe Rogan 1:05:57 So they're attracted to each other?

Jeremy Corbell 1:05:58 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 1:05:59 Well, that makes sense though, if they're just intelligent people.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:02 Sure, like a smart person?

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:03 Okay. I don't know exactly what it, what it does, but that, that correlation is so interesting. So Gary was saying this (laughs) this morning, cool breakfast conversation, that he thinks having that neuro dense area about intuition allows them to see something that's there, that other people's minds would just make them ignore.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:23 That's his theory.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Hmm. Well- What's interesting (clears throat) , I'm reading an interview with him about this.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:32 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 And as he was saying everything, I'm kind of reading along. Uh, they get to this part where this... the brain scans are... look very similar to people that had the Havana Syndrome.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:42 Oh, yeah. Whoa.

Joe Rogan 1:06:42 And so they were comparing people to that, and then he says he got locked out of the files because it's now a serious incident and something else.

Jeremy Corbell 1:06:50 Yeah, he said there was a lot of crossover where people that were...'cause it's an intelligence community thing and military thing, and he, he said he saw a lot of patients with 100-

Joe Rogan 1:06:58 Let's read this 'cause this is pretty fascinating. It said... There's the question asked him, uh, "Did the people who claimed they'd had an encounter, especially the pilots, describe any perceivable decrease in neurological cap- capacity?" He said, "Of the 100 or so patients that we looked into, about a quarter of them died from their injuries."... the majority of these patients had symptomatology that's basically identical to what's now called Havana Syndrome. We think amongst the bucket list of cases, we had the first Havana Syndrome patients. Once this turned into a national security problem with Havana Syndrome, I was locked out of the access to the files because it's now a serious potential international incident if they ever figure out who's been doing it. That still left individuals who had seen UAPs. They didn't have Havana Syndrome. They had a smorgasbord of other symptoms. And it said, uh, the next question is, "How does the impact of electromagnetic frequencies factor into your hypothesis of what exactly transpired here?" One of the patients, it happened on Skinwalker Ranch, given how deep into their brain damage... uh, uh, excuse me, given how deep into their brain the damage went, we can actually estimate the amount of energy required in the electromagnetic wave someone aimed at them. We don't think that has anything to do with UAPs. We think that that's some, uh, sort of state actor, and again, related to Havana Syndrome-

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 ... somehow.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 So Havana Syndrome was dismissed initially.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Right? And then they're recognizing that, no, something is really going on-

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 ... and it might be some sort of microwave or targeted attack on people, that they're experimenting on some new ability to disable people.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:44 Yeah, it's all Department of Defense people.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:47 So, I mean, it's obvi- it's obvious something has happ-

Joe Rogan 1:08:49 But they don't know... Well, at least, if they do know, it's not public.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:08:53 I, I have no, I have no information. I have no idea. It, it's just, it's one of those crazy things. So what they do... Like, what we do know about UFOs, the one fucking thing we know for sure about UFOs is that they're high energy in a small amount of space. This is classically, it's been documented, the radiation effects of these when they're around. So the, the injuries people get, you know, you've heard, like, the sun burns on one side of their face and shit, the radiation, the hair falling off.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 So that's, like, from Close Encounters of the Third Kind. That's-

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:28 But that's, like, from life.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 But that is, they've actually really had that sunburn on one side of the head?

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:31 That's how they made, that's how they made the movie so interesting-

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 Hm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:34 ... was that they took all the cases, the, the trace cases, the physical cases. That shit happens to people, and sometimes when they have close proximity to a UFO, they get fucked up.

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:45 I don't, it's unintentional, is what people think. It's, like, the propulsion system itself or something.

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 Well, Travis Walker-

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:51 Walton, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 That one-

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:52 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 Travis Walton, rather. That was his story, was that they brought him aboard the, the UFO to repair him.

Jeremy Corbell 1:09:59 Yeah. I wonder if that's the way he likes to look at it, or if that's what happened. I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 I wonder, did they ever do a study on his brain?

Jeremy Corbell 1:10:08 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:10:08 They should, right? I mean if, if that guy's telling the truth, if any... Or maybe it would be repaired-

Jeremy Corbell 1:10:14 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 ... because they took him aboard the craft and supposedly did some medical procedure to him.

Jeremy Corbell 1:10:18 I mean, look, we should, we should study this stuff. That's, I think that's the big takeaway of this moment in our history, because we're repeating history. UFOs have had this huge wave before, and Congress was interested 50 years ago, multi-nations were studying it openly. Now we're back at this point where I feel like there's an opportunity just to be open. We should study this scientifically, man.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 The, the problem is I feel like even though there's people that have sightings, and even though there's some kind of metallurgy evidence-

Jeremy Corbell 1:10:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:10:56 ... there's so little stuff.

Jeremy Corbell 1:10:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 It's not like if I wanna study sea turtles, I can go find the sea turtles and go study them. This is too, it's too, it's too hard to grasp. There's not, there's nothing there. You know what I'm saying?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:11 Y- y- yeah, you can't replicate it upon demand-

Joe Rogan 1:11:15 Right. Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:15 ... which is what science requires, right?

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 That's a good way to put it. Yeah.

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:19 There are some cool thoughts on how to do that. Uh, there have been attempts to lure in UFOs with nuclear weapons.

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 Really?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 There have been attempts to, like, fake that we're gonna use-

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:35 Bait them.

Joe Rogan 1:11:36 Bait them?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:36 Bait them with-

Joe Rogan 1:11:36 Really?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:11:37 How do you know this?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:39 Uh, well, we'll talk about how I know that later. But, you know, uh, it is true.

Joe Rogan 1:11:43 You can't say how you know it?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:44 No, I, it's not... You know, some of the people I talk with have told me about these.

Joe Rogan 1:11:50 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:50 So people I trust, that are in a position to know.

Joe Rogan 1:11:52 And have they told you you can't talk about this?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:55 Yeah, like, uh, the, the basic-

Joe Rogan 1:11:56 Or you can't divulge your sources?

Jeremy Corbell 1:11:57 Yeah, there we go. The, the basics is 14 out of 14 times or something, I might be getting that number wrong, that there, there was a way to bait every single time these UFOs would come in when they were transporting nuclear weapons or something like that. Now, if that, if that information is true, then you would have a method, you would have a way to study this.

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 Right.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:16 Right? See, I think we're, we're reinventing the wheel so much. Like Avi, Avi Loeb at Harvard and, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:12:21 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:22 ... NASA just... I think this is true, NASA just announced they're gonna repurpose their satellites to look for, you know, UFOs. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:12:30 Really?

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:30 ... I think that's a real article. Jamie, if, if you can find that, I'd like-

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 Repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs?

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:34 That's my word, repurpose. But yeah, NASA made an announcement that they're gonna kind of repurpose their satellites-

Joe Rogan 1:12:41 Look at that.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:41 ... to look for... Is that correct?

Joe Rogan 1:12:42 NASA wants to turn satellites into alien hunters.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:44 There we go.

Joe Rogan 1:12:45 That's just from a couple weeks ago.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:47 Cool.

Joe Rogan 1:12:47 Wow. Click on that.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:49 It's like my memory has been so bad, it's nice to-

Joe Rogan 1:12:50 No, you're dead on, brother. Look at that.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:12:52 NASA is looking to repurpose satellites. You said it perfectly.

Jeremy Corbell 1:12:54 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:12:55 This is fucking crazy. Asked why the space agency is embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, it said one of its remits is to look for life outside of Earth. Fascinating. Okay, so last month the US Space Agency announced it was launching an eight-month inquiry in, to investigate-... "hundreds of unexplained UFO sightings. The inquiry is being held by Doctors Thomas ... " What's with all these names?

Jeremy Corbell 1:13:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:25 Zurbuchen? Zurbuchen? How do you say that? What do you think?

Jeremy Corbell 1:13:28 (laughs) Uh, Zu- ... Yeah, Zurbuchen.

Joe Rogan 1:13:30 "Dr. Thomas Zurbuchen of NASA's Science Mission, uh, Directorate who has been investigating whether satellites in space could be repurposed to give another view on strange aerial phenomena reported from Earth. Speaking to journalists in London this week, Colonel Pam, um, Melroy, the deputy administrator of NASA, said, 'The team is going to be looking at questions like, do we have sensors that can see things, you know, take another look at the evidence?' One of the big questions that Thomas asked is, 'We have a ton of satellites looking down at Earth. Are any of them useful?' I mean, before you build a rover that's going to Mars, you ask yourself, what's a sensor I have to build to detect the most interesting things? So they're really going to focus on that." Wow. Scroll up there. "How would, uh, you get the evidence you need to be able to determine if it's an optical phenomena or some other kind of phenomena? Even the greatest scientists were ridiculed. Bill Nelson, an- a NASA administrator, told journalists that he had read all the classified documents relating to UFOs and was convinced-

Jeremy Corbell 1:14:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:36 ... that nobody knew what they were. Questioned as to why NASA was embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, Nelson said that one of the space agency's remits was to hunt for life outside of Earth, and that in the past, even the greatest scientists have been disbelieved and ridiculed. 'Remember that one of our missions is to reach out to see if there is life,' he said. 'That's why we're digging on Mars right now. Is the po- ... Is the possibility of life in something as big as the universe? Of course there's a chance, in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed, and some other kind of life form developed.'" Hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:15:20 It kinda drives me crazy though that they're like, "Oh, we're gonna repurpose our satellites and look for UFOs." We- f- it's my understanding that we have well ... We can well track UFOs. Th- think about NORAD and you can ... You know, the joke is y- you can't throw a- a s- you know, a softball in our atmosphere without it being tracked and targeted.

Joe Rogan 1:15:41 Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Corbell 1:15:43 It's my understanding ... Like, what else captured the Tic Tacs above 80,000 feet? Did we have any other optic systems or targeting systems that captured those Tic Tacs? Be- 'cause the SPY-1 saw it at 80,000. My understanding-

Joe Rogan 1:15:56 What is the SPY-1?

Jeremy Corbell 1:15:57 The SPY-1 radar is a radar that was in that, uh, strike group where Commander Fravor was, you know, doing workups. It's just a very cool radar that in 2004 was, you know, relatively new, for, I think at that year. And it was just th- ... It's a phase array, so it's just a fucking cool piece of technology that they were using. But it g- ... I think it goes up to only 80,000, so when they say they were dropping in from 80,000 down to sea level like that, it was ... They were actually coming from higher.

Joe Rogan 1:16:26 Right, they just detected it