EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- NANarrator
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Jeremy, it's all your fault.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Wh- which part?
- JRJoe Rogan
How I got back into UFOs, it's all your fault.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Oh. Is it?
- JRJoe Rogan
If it wasn't for that awesome documentary on Bob Lazar, you got me, buddy.
- JCJeremy Corbell
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JCJeremy Corbell
That one, that, you know, I wanna weaponize your curiosity, Joe. That's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Oh. So what-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Dave, Dave Foley got you back in.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, he didn't. No, no, um, Dave Foley, uh, I was excited to hear that he had become obsessed with UFOs.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he didn't really get me back in. It was the documentary. The documentary was so compelling. It's really good, and folks, if you haven't seen it, it's called, uh, Area 51 and ... Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. It's, uh, it's on-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Nailed it, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's really good.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Thanks, man. Um, that documentary, for me, was the reason why I started making films. I picked up a camera. I just wanted to know if the guy was telling the truth. Um, I was not a filmmaker. I was highly unqualified, like a lot of things that I do in my life that I end up loving. So that movie, the story is what made me interested too.
- JRJoe Rogan
How'd you get Mickey Rourke?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Well, that's a fucking weird story. Um, there's a tattoo shop called Mark Mahoney's Shamrock Social Club. Do you know about this?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I've heard of that place before.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Okay, so Mark's been a good friend of mine, or I've been a friend of his since I was probably too young to be getting tattoos. And he let me come in and film for a couple years right before that movie, and he doesn't let, like, let a lot of people in there to film. Um, and Mickey came in one day, and Mark's like, "Oh, you know, Jeremy's filming. Can ... You wanna talk to him about UFOs?" And Mickey's, like, looking at me like, you know, "What the fuck's this guy?" Somehow, he ends up taking this stiletto and trying to, like, stick me in the ribs with it. You know, like, just play-, kinda joking, but you got Mickey Rourke with a stiletto just getting a tattoo, kinda jabbing you with it, you know, that, so that kinda bonded us, kind of. He thought I was-
- JRJoe Rogan
He was trying to stab you? (laughs) That's the point? (laughs)
- JCJeremy Corbell
He was, he was poking, he was poking me. Yeah, he was, he was poking me in the ribs. So, um, that was my introduction to Mickey, but he's got this voice that's like a fucking Tibetan monk, you know, like gravelly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
And, and I know 'cause I had to take his audio and listen to it, and it's just, it's so bizarre. And I thought, "Who better to do this, like, controversial story than the controversial Mickey fucking Rourke just talking poetry, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
... through the film?" So he was kind of that voice of our curiosity in the film, so that's how I got him. But basically, I just sent an offer, and he never responded. So I went back to the tattoo shop randomly one day to see Mark. In walks Mickey, and I, I made a joke. I was like, "Oh, you just like to poke me with a stiletto, but you don't take my movie offer seriously." And he goes, "What offer?" And I'm like, "I, I, I want, I need a narrator. Like, in the next seven days, I have to deliver the film." And he goes, "I never got the offer." The next fucking day, he came in, uh, 'cause I know Mark was telling him, "Oh, you know, help the kid out," you know? He came in, and he fucking recorded with me. He saved my ass, man. Otherwise, they'd have to hear m- my voice in the movie 'cause I didn't have anybody.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, your voice would've been fine, but it was cool to have his voice.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Well ... Thank you. I, I love that shit, man. People say his mouth sounds like he has marbles in it.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's, uh ...
- 15:00 – 30:00
We're seeing- …
- JRJoe Rogan
we're seeing, so is this, like-
- JCJeremy Corbell
We're seeing-
- JRJoe Rogan
... reports from soldiers that you're getting? Like-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where, where are you getting this information from?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Okay. So people that work in these, um ... People that work in collecting this data are a little bit frustrated. And y- you know, that's why ... I wanna become unnecessary. Why do they come to me? Right? And I think they're, th- they're frustrated that they don't, th- they don't have a way to put it up through the chain of command. That they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
That it gets lost in translation.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or they just r- suppress it.
- JCJeremy Corbell
They don't even spend ... I don't even think it's nefarious. They just don't spend the gas to go look at something that doesn't ... it's not part of the mission.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JCJeremy Corbell
There's no proactive UFO, kind of like, discovery process. It's all kind of reactive.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's one of the weirdest things about Commander David Fravor's account, is that when he was talking about, uh, being, uh, in radio communication with the Nimitz and they were saying, "We see these things every day," and he was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" (laughs)
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"You see this every day? You see these Tic Tac-shaped things that shoot off faster than you can see and that l- literally can go from above 50,000 feet above sea level-"
- JCJeremy Corbell
80,000. That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
80,000 feet above sea level to z- to zero (fingers snap) like that.
- JCJeremy Corbell
So hypersonic velocity-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JCJeremy Corbell
... without signature, they call that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JCJeremy Corbell
That means ... And it was, it was ... Who's the guy? Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
No sonic boom.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Right, because that, that's the whole point.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Moving faster than the speed of sound with no sonic boom. Nothing-
- JRJoe Rogan
No heat signature.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Nothing does that.
- JRJoe Rogan
No n- visible means of propulsion.
- JCJeremy Corbell
You, you got it, man. That's-
- 30:00 – 45:00
And how far offshore…
- JCJeremy Corbell
saying he's like a pessimist, but he's right. This is all fun and games until we get close to it, like any of the real stuff, any of the goodies. If, if, if we have craft and we've had it for a long time and we've been working on them, trying to reverse engineer them, if that is true, the closer the public gets to that, the harder the resistance. And we saw that, 'cause these UFO hearings ... Man-They showed one piece of the footage that I released for, like, the whole hearing. They're showing this one piece. It's the most inconsequential piece. It was from the USS Russell, it's the green one, the triangle by angle of observation thing. That's the ones that's easiest to kinda dismiss visually. What they didn't show is I released from the USS Omaha; radar, thermal, deck footage, um, I mean, just ... It's like cumulative evidence. Congress and Senate were asking, "What's up with UFOs?" And they got swamp gassed. Like J. Allen Hynek, like just trying to sh- put it under the rug. They go, "Oh, oh, we're pretty sure these were drones." That was never the argument. It's not if these were drones in 2019 swarming our navy ships. Y- you know, who was inside of one? It, they, they weren't big enough to hold people. It's not that they were drones. It was like some big revelation. Here's the question. Who were operating these units? How come we don't know that? Right off of the coast of California, 10 of our navy ships were simultaneously swarmed by unknowns, unidentifieds. They couldn't figure out the launch. They couldn't figure out the landing point. They don't know who was operating these.
- JRJoe Rogan
And how far offshore were they?
- JCJeremy Corbell
I mean, it was within 100-mile radius 'cause all the ships that were in this area were experiencing, most of them, simultaneously, what they call swarming. But the thing is, is that I know for sure we don't know yet whose these were. How is that possible modern day?
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
I don't know where these are from. I'm not even claiming that.
- JRJoe Rogan
And did these experience, or did they, they exhibit rather any extraordinary capabilities?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Depends who you ask. So, so the answer to that is when I get people ... And I, I actively hunt for direct eyewitnesses for all this. So I've spoken with people who are, you say, operating the SPY-1 radar system, the same one in the Fravor case, this great system, right? I also spoke with people who had visual on these things. Some people ha- say that they show one of what they call the five observables that means, you know, this goes into the UFO category, which is instantaneous movement, right? "Boom, (fingers snapping) straight up into space," was the exact words said to me. I've got people on the other end of the spectrum where they just saw lights. So no, in this case, it's not like Fravors. I don't have, we don't have footage of it, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Do they have data in terms of radar data of speed and-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Y- yeah. They, they do. They ... And that's what I tried to kinda tell the public by releasing one slide that, that said that they believed it, that these craft were transmedium 'cause the video I released, the black and white one from the USS Omaha, you can see it kinda phase out or drop into the water. They thought it was transmedium. They thought it went into the water. They sent a submarine, right, to try to look for it or wreckage. So I don't know with this case, man. I never hang my hat on one UFO case. What's interesting to me is the people involved, they feel like they failed at their duties. They didn't know precisely what to do in this situation, be- 'cause right off our coast. The thing is, is this is happening everywhere, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do they have a protocol for what to do in those situations?
- JCJeremy Corbell
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like if you do encounter a UAP or UFO or whatever you wanna call it, and they think it might be from an alien planet or whatever the fuck they think it's from, do they, do they have a protocol?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Oh, you mean like the pilots that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I mean, is there like a military thing? Is there ... If you see a UFO, is there something you're supposed to do?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Now you can and are encouraged to report it, but before it was so stigmatized. And people that are, you know, ground level on this say there's still crazy stigma. But you are now being encouraged to report it, and these reports have to, in a short amount of time, go up the chain of command. So I think we're, we're getting better reporting now, I think because it's a safety of flight issue. But at that time in 2019 when these ships were swarmed ... Yeah, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
This is the one that-
- JCJeremy Corbell
... the USS Omaha, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that goes into the water?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yes, that they believe that it, it ends up going into the water. That's what the documents said and the documents I was exposed to that I read made it, made an argument for that, made a case for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it looks like now that it's hovering ... Boy, this is shitty footage.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Well, see, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
I want my money back, Navy.
- JCJeremy Corbell
I know, I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Don't spend your goddamn camera money on ...
- JCJeremy Corbell
But, but do understand that this is ... Why I could release it is 'cause this is an unclassified, um, platform that's being filmed. Otherwise-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
... that would not be cool of me to release.
- JRJoe Rogan
So there it looks like it just went into the water.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Well, his motivation was…
- JCJeremy Corbell
Like, what would be your motivation? What would you get out of that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, his motivation was he was seriously worried that they were gonna take him out-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because he knew so much and, uh, they had cut off of his t- For folks who don't know the whole story, just give you a brief synopsis, what happened was Bob, allegedly, was working on back engineering these aircrafts, these vehicles, these spaceships, and, uh, in doing so, you have to have a very high level of clearance. Well, with that high level of clearance comes complete government surveillance. So, they monitor your phone calls, monitor everything. Turns out Bob's wife was having an affair, so they don't tell Bob that his wife's having an affair, but they cut off his job. They're like, "You're too ... you ... the ... Too much of a potential to be emotionally unstable. We can't have you working on these top-class, super sensitive things-"
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah, it's logical.
- JRJoe Rogan
... while ... Yeah, "While your life is probably gonna fall apart."
- JCJeremy Corbell
He was about to find out some bad shit, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So he doesn't know this, and so he's, uh, they don't give him any information, so he freaks out. And so he starts telling his friends. He's like, "Come with me. I'll show you the launch. I'm not lying."
- JCJeremy Corbell
People forget that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JCJeremy Corbell
It, he, he went out, and he showed people a craft that didn't look like any normal craft, come up right when he said it would-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JCJeremy Corbell
... over a base that wasn't even known then really well, and a sub-base, an area not Area 51 proper. He, again, he's the luckiest motherfucker in the world. He did it three weekends in a row till he got caught.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JCJeremy Corbell
So it's just like, man, every time you try to call bullshit on him... I tried so hard on so many things, motherfucker.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JCJeremy Corbell
Uh, you, people think I'm just some fucking believer. I'm not, bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
The only thing that people have ever called bullshit on him is that he said he might have seen an actual alien. But he said, w- he was walking down a hallway and looked through one of those little tiny windows (inhales deeply) that's in a door, you know, those little tiny, like, uh, 12-inch square windows. And he peered in it quickly as he was walking by and it seemed like there was a small thing that was sitting on a chair, and there's people standing over it. But he doesn't know if it was a doll. He doesn't know if it was a ... And so, in his mind, he's like, "Fuck, did I see an alien? Like, what the fuck?" But he can't go back. It's not, uh, like, everything's ... If you work on top secret stuff, apparently, everything's very compartmentalized. Like, the people that work on metallurgy don't have access to the people that work on propulsion that don't have access to the people that, if there is a biological entity, that they examine it.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Which frustrated the fuck out of him. Right? 'Cause he said, "That's-"
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not how you do science.
- JCJeremy Corbell
It's not how you do science.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, you have to collaborate.
- JCJeremy Corbell
And he, and he, he says, "I wasn't the most qualified person to be there."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JCJeremy Corbell
"Maybe they hired me 'cause they could easily dismiss me." You know, he's like, "Why didn't we have better people on this?" You know, people that were more... Uh, so he was really frustrated. And he said to me like he thought it was a crime against the scientific community, you know, to, if they have this stuff, like he says, you know, he says it was a, a crime. And, you know, he, he talks about that thing through the window. He's so funny about it. You know, I sat him down for long, you know, many sessions, long, really trying to get at him, get it out of him.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JCJeremy Corbell
He goes, "You know, Jeremy, I think they were just obsessed with measurements." I go, "What do you mean?" And he, and he's like, "Well, look, there was somebody in, something in that chair, but it was small. Maybe they were trying to just measure it to see if it would fit in a craft." So that's how he kind of gets around, like, did he see something or not? He doesn't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, like it could've been a doll that they-
- JCJeremy Corbell
That's what he s-
- JRJoe Rogan
... constructed that was roughly the same height as these things were.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
Right. …
- JCJeremy Corbell
one of the people, when he, when he speaks, I listen, right? What does he have to say about it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JCJeremy Corbell
He wrote this paper and it ... Well, he wrote it a long time ago and kinda worked on it, I guess, but it was published yesterday in a scientific journal. And it, it proposes this idea of the ultra-terrestrial. So, like, something that's been here a long time. Maybe, like, aliens got here and got stuck, or a civilization that was so advanced and there was some world catastrophe so it hid itself, and now it just kinda lives here with us. And maybe they have investment that we don't fuck up the planet, that we don't blow ourselves up. You know, maybe that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Maybe they have some investment, other than your crop theory, you know? The idea that we're just a commodity.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I don't think we're necessarily a commodity, but I think ... I don't think we would have a problem with going to a planet and planting life. Like, imagine if we've, we've found a planet and it's like Earth of-... three billion years ago, right? There's, like, some plant life and some fungus, but there's no animal life, no marine life. And we just planted life there-
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and monitored it.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And watched it grow and evolve. And maybe they have an understanding of, there's a process. Maybe there's a process that... Like how I said process, now process.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah, I, I kinda like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
All right. Like I'm from England.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Super fancy man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, maybe there's some sort of a process where they understand that all life takes a very specific path, and that, that is a path of increasing complexity, right? If you, and that is... I- if you wanna, like, simplify life on Earth, you would go back to the earliest form of life, which is single-celled organisms, right? Well, why did single-celled organisms become multi-celled organism? Because they're, they're complexifying. They're m- becoming more complex. And then they ultimately become, uh, hominids that create tools, and they ultimately lead to the industrial age, and they ultimately lead to the technological age that we're, we find ourself in right now. Uh, these, the, the, the thing that they have that's clear is it's constantly a path of ever-increasing complexity. Now, um, when you look at the work of Graham Hancock and Randal Carlson and Dr. Robert Schoch and, uh, all, all the people that have studied, uh, ancient civilizations and the possibility that there's been a reset along the way, it seems that perhaps there's been some periods of great growth and then some sort of cataclysmic disasters, you know, asteroid impacts and the like, that has s- sent civilization back down, and then it rebuilds back up again. But it always rebuilds back up again.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It always seems to be on the path of ever-increasing complexity and constant innovation, at least amongst the most sophisticated of creatures, which we like to think of ourselves as. Maybe that is just a, a course in, in the universe for life. Maybe all life follows that course.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah. And we're, and we're biologically developing too. I mean, we're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JCJeremy Corbell
... evolving, you know, every... So, you wanna hear something fucking crazy?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Okay. This morning, I was talking with a guy named Gary Nolan. Do you know... Have you ever heard his name?
- JRJoe Rogan
I have.
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah. So, he... You know, Stanford professor. He's, you know, been working for 10 years studying MRIs of the brains of people like pilots, who have had close encounters. And what they found over this 10-year study, there was a CIA study, but he just openly talks about it now. It's all out in the open, which is cool. There was damage. Like I've seen the, the images, some of them. There's damage to the brain when people get close proximity to one of these power sources, like when they get close to-
- JRJoe Rogan
Damage?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Yeah, fucking white matter damage to their brains from having close proximity to a UFO or UAP.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, when you say close, you... Are you talking like Commander David Fravor close?
- JCJeremy Corbell
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or people on the ground?
- JCJeremy Corbell
The- there were some ground stuff. Uh, yeah, close like there's an encounter where it's... Like, let's just say you could throw a rock at it. How about that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 1:15:00 – 1:16:28
It kinda drives me…
- JRJoe Rogan
we're digging on Mars right now. Is the po- ... Is the possibility of life in something as big as the universe? Of course there's a chance, in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed, and some other kind of life form developed.'" Hmm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
It kinda drives me crazy though that they're like, "Oh, we're gonna repurpose our satellites and look for UFOs." We- f- it's my understanding that we have well ... We can well track UFOs. Th- think about NORAD and you can ... You know, the joke is y- you can't throw a- a s- you know, a softball in our atmosphere without it being tracked and targeted.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JCJeremy Corbell
It's my understanding ... Like, what else captured the Tic Tacs above 80,000 feet? Did we have any other optic systems or targeting systems that captured those Tic Tacs? Be- 'cause the SPY-1 saw it at 80,000. My understanding-
- JRJoe Rogan
What is the SPY-1?
- JCJeremy Corbell
The SPY-1 radar is a radar that was in that, uh, strike group where Commander Fravor was, you know, doing workups. It's just a very cool radar that in 2004 was, you know, relatively new, for, I think at that year. And it was just th- ... It's a phase array, so it's just a fucking cool piece of technology that they were using. But it g- ... I think it goes up to only 80,000, so when they say they were dropping in from 80,000 down to sea level like that, it was ... They were actually coming from higher.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, they just detected it when it hit 80.
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