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Joe Rogan Experience #1853 - Jeremy Corbell

Jeremy Corbell is an artist, UFOlogist and investigative filmmaker. Some of his films include "Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers," "Hunt for the Skinwalker," and "Patient Seventeen." https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/

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Jun 27, 20243h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 1:06

    Corbell’s Bob Lazar documentary: getting Rogan hooked again

    1. NA

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Jeremy, it's all your fault.

    3. JC

      Wh- which part?

    4. JR

      How I got back into UFOs, it's all your fault.

    5. JC

      Oh. Is it?

    6. JR

      If it wasn't for that awesome documentary on Bob Lazar, you got me, buddy.

    7. JC

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. JC

      That one, that, you know, I wanna weaponize your curiosity, Joe. That's it.

    10. JR

      (laughs) Oh. So what-

    11. JC

      Dave, Dave Foley got you back in.

    12. JR

      No, he didn't. No, no, um, Dave Foley, uh, I was excited to hear that he had become obsessed with UFOs.

    13. JC

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      But he didn't really get me back in. It was the documentary. The documentary was so compelling. It's really good, and folks, if you haven't seen it, it's called, uh, Area 51 and ... Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers. It's, uh, it's on-

    15. JC

      Nailed it, yeah.

    16. JR

      Yeah, it's really good.

    17. JC

      Thanks, man. Um, that documentary, for me, was the reason why I started making films. I picked up a camera. I just wanted to know if the guy was telling the truth. Um, I was not a filmmaker. I was highly unqualified, like a lot of things that I do in my life that I end up loving. So that movie, the story is what made me interested too.

  2. 1:06 – 4:00

    How Mickey Rourke became the narrator (tattoo shop stiletto story)

    1. JR

      How'd you get Mickey Rourke?

    2. JC

      Well, that's a fucking weird story. Um, there's a tattoo shop called Mark Mahoney's Shamrock Social Club. Do you know about this?

    3. JR

      Yeah, I've heard of that place before.

    4. JC

      Okay, so Mark's been a good friend of mine, or I've been a friend of his since I was probably too young to be getting tattoos. And he let me come in and film for a couple years right before that movie, and he doesn't let, like, let a lot of people in there to film. Um, and Mickey came in one day, and Mark's like, "Oh, you know, Jeremy's filming. Can ... You wanna talk to him about UFOs?" And Mickey's, like, looking at me like, you know, "What the fuck's this guy?" Somehow, he ends up taking this stiletto and trying to, like, stick me in the ribs with it. You know, like, just play-, kinda joking, but you got Mickey Rourke with a stiletto just getting a tattoo, kinda jabbing you with it, you know, that, so that kinda bonded us, kind of. He thought I was-

    5. JR

      He was trying to stab you? (laughs) That's the point? (laughs)

    6. JC

      He was, he was poking, he was poking me. Yeah, he was, he was poking me in the ribs. So, um, that was my introduction to Mickey, but he's got this voice that's like a fucking Tibetan monk, you know, like gravelly.

    7. JR

      Mm.

    8. JC

      And, and I know 'cause I had to take his audio and listen to it, and it's just, it's so bizarre. And I thought, "Who better to do this, like, controversial story than the controversial Mickey fucking Rourke just talking poetry, you know-

    9. JR

      Mm.

    10. JC

      ... through the film?" So he was kind of that voice of our curiosity in the film, so that's how I got him. But basically, I just sent an offer, and he never responded. So I went back to the tattoo shop randomly one day to see Mark. In walks Mickey, and I, I made a joke. I was like, "Oh, you just like to poke me with a stiletto, but you don't take my movie offer seriously." And he goes, "What offer?" And I'm like, "I, I, I want, I need a narrator. Like, in the next seven days, I have to deliver the film." And he goes, "I never got the offer." The next fucking day, he came in, uh, 'cause I know Mark was telling him, "Oh, you know, help the kid out," you know? He came in, and he fucking recorded with me. He saved my ass, man. Otherwise, they'd have to hear m- my voice in the movie 'cause I didn't have anybody.

    11. JR

      Well, your voice would've been fine, but it was cool to have his voice.

    12. JC

      Well ... Thank you. I, I love that shit, man. People say his mouth sounds like he has marbles in it.

    13. JR

      But he's, uh ...

    14. JC

      I fucking love it.

    15. JR

      That guy's lived a weird life, you know? (laughs)

    16. JC

      Yeah, but you know, he's ... I think people like that sometimes are misunderstood. Like, I've seen this, like, incredible side of him, in that he's, like, a gentle person, you know?

    17. JR

      Hm.

    18. JC

      You know?

    19. JR

      Is he fascinated with UFOs?

    20. JC

      He told me his UFO experience, and-

    21. JR

      He had a UFO experience?

    22. JC

      He did, he did, and he let me record it with him. And, um, I think like anybody, he's interested in this topic. I think once you see something that you can't explain, it, it gets worse, you know? You get a little more frustrated about it.

    23. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    24. JC

      'Cause, you know, you wanna learn, "What did I just see?" So I think he, like most of us, you know, are, are interested in it.

  3. 4:00 – 6:36

    From stigma to momentum: military UAP evidence drops and Pentagon confirmations

    1. JR

      Yeah. Um, well, let's just get into it because there's been a lot going on lately. There's, uh ...

    2. JC

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Uh, obviously there's been a shit ton of sightings, and there's been, uh, a lot of discussion, uh, with high-level people about what these things are, what they are. What, what is, what's the latest and greatest in UFO information?

    4. JC

      Right. The, the world, in my opinion, has really changed since we started talking about this. So our history is, you know, you asked me to come in with Bob.

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. JC

      We did that. Okay, the idea that there's craft, that maybe our government has some and been reverse engineering them, and then, uh, came in with Fravor, and we talked about his personal military encounter. And then our history goes to then Geo- George Knapp is here, who's like the godfather of the history of this. Bam, after that episode, man, things started really going crazy. And, and, and this is where our Senate and Senate Intelligence Committee and our Congress and our Senate was like, "We want a preliminary report. We now know that there were these UFO programs, AAWSAP and AATIP. We want a report." And remember, that was like pending, that was looming, a report's coming.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. JC

      So George and I made a little plan t- to poke the bear. You know, we're like, "What can we put out that is like good, solid evidence that shows we need to talk about this?" So that's when we took the opportunity to make those drops. Right, and those drops were, uh, nine pieces of visual evidence that were filmed by our military. So if, if people were watching along that time, you'd see that in a series of a month, I think, um, we released images from an FA-18 out the window where they're saying they're seeing these things every day, photographs from an iPhone. I obtained and released video that was confirmed by the Pentagon in a rare move the next day on some of these drops that these are real unidentifieds, that they're being studied, and they were filmed by our military. They could've just denied it forever. So we like poked the bear. We'd drop them. Boom, boom, boom. Let's see ...... let's see what the world-

    9. JR

      And now are you, you dropping 'em on Twitter? You dropping 'em-

    10. JC

      Fucking...

    11. JR

      ... on Instagram? Like, you're doing it everywhere? How are you doing that?

    12. JC

      Just social media. Just start-

    13. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JC

      ... Instagram, Twitter, like that. I just, it, it democratizes this idea of information flow. I, I don't know everything that I'm putting out. I vetted and verified it, but then to have the Pentagon come in and confirm that ... Now, now they did that 'cause I made sure they had it the day, few days before I dropped it.

    15. JR

      Hmm.

    16. JC

      So it's like there was record that I provided it to them.

  4. 6:36 – 9:58

    Vetting sources and dealing with fakes: why Corbell sits on material for years

    1. JR

      Got it. So these people, um, know you because of your documentary and because of your, uh, appearances on the podcast. And so these military guys with this information, they reach out to you.

    2. JC

      Yeah. So, so that's ... E- even before my, even before my first documentary, you know, I was talking with Fravor. I got a tip. I had been on this beat. I'd been trying to find out more. So people would start to come to me. And then after those relationships have obviously been public where people bring me stuff, it's happening more and more. And a lot of more dis-info coming my way as well. People try to trick me all the time.

    3. JR

      Like, what kind of stuff have you gotten?

    4. JC

      Just give me fake documents, give me fake photos, hope I run with a fake story. You know?

    5. JR

      Do you think it's just jerk-offs? Just like ... I don't know why I said that word that way.

    6. JC

      Jerk, jerk-offs. (laughs)

    7. JR

      Jerk-offs. Had a hard time with it. Do you think it's just jerk-offs, or do you think it's, uh, like, do you think it's ... Do, do you ever think the government is giving you misinformation? Or-

    8. JC

      I'm the least paranoid person that I know.

    9. JR

      Are you really?

    10. JC

      Yeah. I, I, I am literally ... I always think everything's okay. My fucking dog can be dying and I'm like, "It's okay, baby. Don't worry about it." Like, I'm the least paranoid person. So other people say shit like that to me. To me-

    11. JR

      Right.

    12. JC

      ... you just got assholes that wanna confuse the topic. We do it to ourselves, you know?

    13. JR

      Or people that just want attention.

    14. JC

      Or, or-

    15. JR

      For whatever reason.

    16. JC

      Or people ... No, but it can be anonymous.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. JC

      Some of this fake stuff's anonymous so you get this thing where it's like maybe someone just wants me to make a mis- Everybody would love for me to be wrong on shit-

    19. JR

      Right.

    20. JC

      ... and make a misstep, and then they can discount everything else I've ever released.

    21. JR

      Has ever- anything ever sent you something where you're, like, on the fence about? Where you're like-

    22. JC

      Oh, dude-

    23. JR

      ... "I don't know if this is legit or not"?

    24. JC

      You know I sit on stuff for years, vetting it and having other people vet it. Yeah, I've got tons of stuff, videos-

    25. JR

      For years, really?

    26. JC

      For years. George goes crazy.

    27. JR

      (laughs)

    28. JC

      As a newsman, as a newsman you want to put it out right now.

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. JC

      He goes, "We can vet it right now real quick." And he's right, but I like to see where the person's coming from. I like to get to know them, you know? So I, I like to see what their motivation is.

  5. 9:58 – 13:32

    War zones, rules of engagement, and the ‘jellyfish’ UAP reportedly fired upon

    1. JC

      W- Well, I ... There's good video and, and we should go through the pieces of footage. But the one on the left is what they're seeing every damn day on the East Coast. Um, that one would be considered one that has a payload, or could have a payload. So most are spheres, like, with cubes in them. That, that is the strangeness of it. Most of them are cubes surrounded by a translucent sphere. I've heard of pyramids-

    2. JR

      Pyramid- so most of them?

    3. JC

      Most of them that are on the East Coast right now with increased frequency, and also over war zones. So right now, people go- went so fucking crazy when I said this, and I know we're jumping around.

    4. JR

      That's okay.

    5. JC

      But over active war zones right now, there is such an increased frequency of what they call UAP or UFO, that they have these rules whether or not they fire upon them. And people got so mad at me for saying publicly on the news that we do fire at UAP, UFOs, because we fucking do. But why we do is not what people think. So when you have an active war zone, specifically the area of the world that I'm talking about in the Middle East, anything within 27 to 30 miles of ground troops gets fired upon. That's it. But I was exposed to documents that tell me a little bit more precisely how you choose what to fire upon. And what you fire upon is anything that appears that it could have a payload.

    6. JR

      Really?

    7. JC

      Yeah, 'cause it would be a threat. What do they do with, like, the cubes surrounded by this, these spheres? Fucking nothing, because they don't look like they have a payload so they disregard. They're not part of the mission. So my point in saying that kinda on the news, I don't need to prove to anybody it's true. It is true. I am ... I speak with people that are there right now. It is true. And there's been such an increased frequency since 2021 that it has been pushed up to kind of, like, critical where they're like, "Okay, these things are in our air space. We could have collisions." But more importantly, like, we see other countries firing on these. Russia, Syria. We know it's not their assets-... so the question is, whose are these?

    8. JR

      So when you say firing at these, so ...

    9. JC

      Hellfire missiles.

    10. JR

      Right. So, you have this thing-

    11. JC

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      And which shape are these ones that have payloads?

    13. JC

      Okay. Well, that's, that's what's crazy. So I, I do ... I have images of one that we fired on. And for the last-

    14. JR

      Can you show us the image?

    15. JC

      Um, I'll show you. I'll show you.

    16. JR

      Okay.

    17. JC

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Show me right now. (laughs)

    19. JC

      I'll show you.

    20. JR

      (laughs)

    21. JC

      I'll show you, but I, I think, I think it's-

    22. JR

      You can't show it publicly yet?

    23. JC

      I don't know, 'cause it comes from-

    24. JR

      Why not?

    25. JC

      ... because it comes from a document I probably shouldn't have seen, but, you know, people send things to me in ways that I can look at them, so ...

    26. JR

      Okay.

    27. JC

      Anyway, let's talk about that later. So-

    28. JR

      Okay. So does-

    29. JC

      ... it looks like this. Looks like a fucking jellyfish, man.

    30. JR

      Oh, is it jellyfish?

  6. 13:32 – 16:29

    Historic parallels: Foo Fighters, decades of sightings, and ‘whose are they?’

    1. JC

      ... use balloons and shit like that. Th- these are, these are objects that, uh, have controlled flight. So, you know, back in the day with the Foo Fighters ... This is not a new phenomenon, right? Back in the, the day with the Foo Fighters-

    2. JR

      People need to understand that it's not just a band. The Foo Fighters-

    3. JC

      Oh. (laughs)

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. JC

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, man. Uh, so World War II, you know, you had these, both sides of the war, you know, all sides seeing these metallic spheres outpacing their planes and they're like, "Oh, fuck. They're up to something. They got some cool technology." The problem is we found out both sides think it's, you know, the other side's.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. JC

      This has been happening for so long. I have an article, we can pull this up, I got an article from 1960, talks about a, a cube with a, with a lume ... with a sphere around it. A f- fighter pilot, military fighter pilot, for four days they were getting these. It was in the Alamogordo News paper. So I'm just saying that this is not-

    8. JR

      That's ... Is that New Mexico?

    9. JC

      Yeah. Alamogordo. Yeah. It's ... I think that's, you know, an interesting area. Yeah.

    10. JR

      And so these Foo Fighters-

    11. JC

      Yeah.

    12. JR

      ... the, these, uh, was, were both sides reporting the same-

    13. JC

      Yes.

    14. JR

      ... like, sort of formations and the same speed?

    15. JC

      W- we thought it was their technology.

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. JC

      They thought it was ours. What's happening right now in the Middle East with the o-

    18. JR

      Same thing?

    19. JC

      Yeah, because we're seeing Russians and Syrians fire on these and we're sometimes firing on them, but whose are they?

    20. JR

      When you say we're seeing, so is this, like-

    21. JC

      We're seeing-

    22. JR

      ... reports from soldiers that you're getting? Like-

    23. JC

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      ... where, where are you getting this information from?

    25. JC

      Okay. So people that work in these, um ... People that work in collecting this data are a little bit frustrated. And y- you know, that's why ... I wanna become unnecessary. Why do they come to me? Right? And I think they're, th- they're frustrated that they don't, th- they don't have a way to put it up through the chain of command. That they-

    26. JR

      Hm.

    27. JC

      That it gets lost in translation.

    28. JR

      Or they just r- suppress it.

    29. JC

      They don't even spend ... I don't even think it's nefarious. They just don't spend the gas to go look at something that doesn't ... it's not part of the mission.

    30. JR

      Right.

  7. 16:29 – 21:28

    What are they? Extraterrestrial vs interdimensional, ‘pop-in’ behavior, and undersea UAP

    1. JC

      So this is the mystery. This is the question. Like, I don't care where UFOs are from, you know? I don't care if it's extraterrestrial, if it's extratemporal. I mean, we can go through so many ideas.

    2. JR

      What's extratemporal?

    3. JC

      So, so here are the, the prime theories. They're extraterrestrial from another-

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. JC

      ... you know, world. Extratemporal, from another time, and you could say extratemporal-

    6. JR

      Oh.

    7. JC

      ... extradimensional.

    8. JR

      What do you think?

    9. JC

      It's the same thing.

    10. JR

      If you had to put your money on it.

    11. JC

      Oh, fuck. I ain't putting money on this. No fucking way.

    12. JR

      A couple bucks.

    13. JC

      A c- (laughs) Okay, well, that, that changes things.

    14. JR

      Just for fun. Just for fun. Two bucks. I think I would-

    15. JC

      I'm getting mixed message. What are you thinking? What do you think?

    16. JR

      I would bet interdimensional.

    17. JC

      Why?

    18. JR

      That's what I think. I think there's something about the whole feeling of it that seems so weird. It's almost like alternative timelines. The whole feeling of it feel- feels so weird. It's also ... The problem is, is, is it's all of it is so exciting and so interesting that you get lost in the excitement and it's very difficult to get, uh, an objective mindset. To achieve an objective mindset.

    19. JC

      Oh, for sure.

    20. JR

      Um, it's very hard for me to be objective 'cause I love it so much. But I th- I mean, look, we got a UFO there.

    21. JC

      Yeah.

    22. JR

      We got a fucking alien up here.

    23. JC

      I mean, how cool-

    24. JR

      We got, we got shooting stars in the ceiling.

    25. JC

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      It's like it's so ob- I'm obsessed with it. But I have this bizarre feeling that the more we're, we understand about reality, the more we're gonna realize that these, um, these physicists, these string theorists that create these models of the universe based on multiple dimensions that we can't access. I mean, there's ... I think they think there's 11 dimensions, right?

    27. JC

      I don't have any idea.

    28. JR

      Let's see if there's one-

    29. JC

      I can barely believe there's one.

    30. JR

      ... up to 26.There's 11-

  8. 21:28 – 22:56

    Gravity propulsion and Lazar’s framework: bending spacetime and the “All-domain” push

    1. JR

      So if this thing is manipulating ... Like, what the, what, what Bob Lazar described was something that essentially bent space and time around it.

    2. JC

      That's right.

    3. JR

      And moved in that wa- manner. Instead of being pushed by a force, like a rocket-

    4. JC

      Mm-hmm.

    5. JR

      ... this thing is-

    6. JC

      Or roller skates.

    7. JR

      Yeah. This thing is grabbing a hold of space and time and pulling itself towards whatever destination it wants to go to.

    8. JC

      Yeah. And that, that was the thing that really flipped my script, is the idea of, like, when I heard him say that when I was a kid, instead of pushing to get somewhere, c- 'cause look, the argument has been of course there's life out in the universe. I mean, look at the fucking web, you know, photograph. Of course there's, there's gotta be life homogestly out there, but they're never coming here. That was the Einsteinian thought, right? We can't travel faster than the speed of light.

    9. JR

      Right.

    10. JC

      Okay, well, that's like saying, you know, "Okay, well, I got a horse, but can you imagine, you know, one of Elon's rockets?" Maybe you can't imagine that.

    11. JR

      Right.

    12. JC

      Right? But this idea that you could fall in time and space, distance becomes irrelevant. Medium becomes irrelevant. That's where the transmedium craft, they believe, the people researching this within our government, believe that these craft are gravity propelled. That's why there's -- the new program's called All-domain, because it's space, air, and sea. And in the congressional language for the UFO whistleblower stuff that's going on, where people

  9. 22:56 – 29:54

    Congress vs hidden programs: whistleblower protection, NDA carve-outs, and reprisals

    1. JC

      can come forward, it's gonna be set into law. They've already written it. The language is amazing. People are gonna be able to come forward and talk about how, how they worked on legacy UFO programs, like reverse engineering programs. Like ...

    2. JR

      So when you say people are going to be able to, means the government is gonna drop the restrictions that people were former employees ...

    3. JC

      I feel like I'm doing a horrible job of getting people up to date with what's happening in the UFO, 'cause so much has happened. It's, like, overwhelming, but yes.

    4. JR

      That's okay.

    5. JC

      So what's happened is if we follow the steps, all of a sudden George and I, we release all this content. You know, people go kind of crazy over it. Then, um, they put out this preliminary report and say we had 143 cases and we solved, you know, one of them. And these are, like, military cases where there's, like, extraordinary movements with these craft. Then all of a sudden Congress is like, "Well, shit, you know, we had AAWSAP, we had AATIP. Who's studying this? Let's get a hold of it." And they got real interested, so they started saying, "Hey, you -- we need to start a program." Then, then the Department of Defense came up with some crazy ass acronym names that nobody could ever make out, AMSOG and shit like that. And Congress got even more pissed. I, as the way I, I read it, I mean, I know some of the people involved and their minds have been blown by what they've seen in these classified briefings. It changed their whole way of thought, and they realized that there are programs being hidden, illegal programs being hidden from congressional oversight.... related to UFOs. So their language now, it wasn't c- created in a void. When you read in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2023, UAP, it is UFO whistleblower language. If you've ever signed an NDA relating to one of these illegal programs without oversight dealing with UFOs, not only can you come forward, but they have changed it so that if there's any reprisal on you for coming forward, like let's say you work at Lockheed and you've been tinkering with some fucking UFO, and there's any reprisal on you, you have ways to, uh, like defend yourself. Like, they, they took away the cap of $300,000 of what, you know, has to be awarded to you if, if there's reprisal. Holy shit. All of a sudden ... And I, I know why, 'cause I know some of the people involved in this. They're, they're gonna let people ... They're demanding that if you have this information, you can ignore your NDAs. And I know people-

    6. JR

      So let, let's, let's get into this.

    7. JC

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      So what is happening here?

    9. JC

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      So is it Congress does not have access to the information because the Pentagon has deals with these military contractors and they don't wanna release the information to Congress? Like why, why is there this dispute of information? Do they not have access to information that they wanna have access to?

    11. JC

      For sure.

    12. JR

      So that's why they're calling upon these people that have NDAs to come forward and that they'll protect them?

    13. JC

      I think it's a, a perfect storm. And I'm just gonna ... This is just, you know, I'm not part of Congress and shit. So I, I'm gonna make an assumption from people I've talked with, right? I think what's happening here is the world has kind of become aware that UFOs are not fantasy. That there is a technological aspect, and that they fly with our, within our skies with impunity. And I think that this was stigmatized before, and I think we're talking about it now. And I think having that conversation has really made people say, "Hey, I wanna fucking find out if it's true."

    14. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JC

      And then when you read classified briefings and you see the data, even the, the preliminary shit, I think it changes your world view. So, so what's happening is, let's say, let's say Lockheed, 'cause Senator Harry Reid has said in his interviews with George publicly, "I heard for decades that they had, you know, uh, craft at Lockheed."

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. JC

      And he goes, "I asked ..." Senator Harry Reid, "I asked to get in there and to see it." And he goes, "They wouldn't give me the clearance." A- so he just straight said it.

    18. JR

      Mm.

    19. JC

      They wouldn't give him the clearance. So that was ... That kinda thing infuriates people, right? Now, imagine this. Imagine that you get, uh, people take action against you for talking about this stuff, like Lue Elizondo. You know, people, you know ... Luis' a straight guy, straightforward. You know, I've gotten to know him. There were actions taken against him, you know, kinda like what Lazar said happened to him, right? But this is, like, much more, like, public. They're saying he never worked in these programs. Harry Reid had to go defend him in a letter, right? There's other people you don't ... Th- that are not public that also have had, um, their careers tried to be squashed because they're poking around on this stuff too much, right? They have gone internally to say, "This has happened to me. Here's what I discovered. These are the programs." And then what's o- what's occurred is the investigatory branches that are looking into this, they're like, "Holy shit. This is real? And we don't have oversight?" And they've, it's been proven to them.

    20. JR

      So when you say the data, when they look at the data, like, what's the most compelling data?

    21. JC

      Yeah, I always want that question answered too. You mean for me or-

    22. JR

      Well, for you first and then what do you think about for, like, the people that are questioning this?

    23. JC

      It's so hard to live in a world now where you, you qui- y- y- you have to question everybody and everything, because for me, the most compelling evidence is not one video I can show you. It's not two videos I can show you. It's not documents I can show you. It's not the conversations I have with people. The world is creaking under the stress and the weight of the UFO reality. It's just omnipresent now. W- we're no longer just ignoring it. A- and our sensors have gotten better and the frequency has increased. So you've got pilots like Ryan Graves who, who's saying, "We were seeing these things every day."

    24. JR

      Who is Ryan Graves?

    25. JC

      Ryan Graves is an amazing pilot, uh, like Fravor, but his was in 2015, so the gimbal video where it shows-

    26. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JC

      ... the saucer-type craft. Those were, that was his squadron. And they'd go out and they'd see these things every day. And he was a flight safety guy, right? So he was, like, looking at this thinking, "This is an issue." If ... They almost hit one once, one of these cubes that, with the translucent sphere. So, so, so this is a, a safety of flight issue for a lot of people, right? I think it's, from a national defense standpoint, it's fucking important, right?

    28. JR

      Sure.

    29. JC

      Okay. So, so we've got these, we've got these hearings now, these public hearings on UFOs, right? This is the first time in 50 years that we've had public hearings. People fought for that. They wanted the public to hear about it. They weren't getting testimony from like Fravor and all of them, although they should. That's the next step. They need to have people with direct experiences come up and let them talk. Let them tell what their realities were. Get rid of these NDAs for them.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  10. 29:54 – 36:34

    Navy swarms and transmedium evidence: USS Omaha/Russell, ‘five observables,’ and missing context

    1. JC

      But in that hearing, the, the closer we get ... Th- George keeps saying this, and I just keep saying he's like a pessimist, but he's right. This is all fun and games until we get close to it, like any of the real stuff, any of the goodies. If, if, if we have craft and we've had it for a long time and we've been working on them, trying to reverse engineer them, if that is true, the closer the public gets to that, the harder the resistance. And we saw that, 'cause these UFO hearings ... Man-They showed one piece of the footage that I released for, like, the whole hearing. They're showing this one piece. It's the most inconsequential piece. It was from the USS Russell, it's the green one, the triangle by angle of observation thing. That's the ones that's easiest to kinda dismiss visually. What they didn't show is I released from the USS Omaha; radar, thermal, deck footage, um, I mean, just ... It's like cumulative evidence. Congress and Senate were asking, "What's up with UFOs?" And they got swamp gassed. Like J. Allen Hynek, like just trying to sh- put it under the rug. They go, "Oh, oh, we're pretty sure these were drones." That was never the argument. It's not if these were drones in 2019 swarming our navy ships. Y- you know, who was inside of one? It, they, they weren't big enough to hold people. It's not that they were drones. It was like some big revelation. Here's the question. Who were operating these units? How come we don't know that? Right off of the coast of California, 10 of our navy ships were simultaneously swarmed by unknowns, unidentifieds. They couldn't figure out the launch. They couldn't figure out the landing point. They don't know who was operating these.

    2. JR

      And how far offshore were they?

    3. JC

      I mean, it was within 100-mile radius 'cause all the ships that were in this area were experiencing, most of them, simultaneously, what they call swarming. But the thing is, is that I know for sure we don't know yet whose these were. How is that possible modern day?

    4. JR

      Hmm.

    5. JC

      I don't know where these are from. I'm not even claiming that.

    6. JR

      And did these experience, or did they, they exhibit rather any extraordinary capabilities?

    7. JC

      Depends who you ask. So, so the answer to that is when I get people ... And I, I actively hunt for direct eyewitnesses for all this. So I've spoken with people who are, you say, operating the SPY-1 radar system, the same one in the Fravor case, this great system, right? I also spoke with people who had visual on these things. Some people ha- say that they show one of what they call the five observables that means, you know, this goes into the UFO category, which is instantaneous movement, right? "Boom, (fingers snapping) straight up into space," was the exact words said to me. I've got people on the other end of the spectrum where they just saw lights. So no, in this case, it's not like Fravors. I don't have, we don't have footage of it, you know?

    8. JR

      Right. Do they have data in terms of radar data of speed and-

    9. JC

      Y- yeah. They, they do. They ... And that's what I tried to kinda tell the public by releasing one slide that, that said that they believed it, that these craft were transmedium 'cause the video I released, the black and white one from the USS Omaha, you can see it kinda phase out or drop into the water. They thought it was transmedium. They thought it went into the water. They sent a submarine, right, to try to look for it or wreckage. So I don't know with this case, man. I never hang my hat on one UFO case. What's interesting to me is the people involved, they feel like they failed at their duties. They didn't know precisely what to do in this situation, be- 'cause right off our coast. The thing is, is this is happening everywhere, man.

    10. JR

      Do they have a protocol for what to do in those situations?

    11. JC

      (sighs)

    12. JR

      Like if you do encounter a UAP or UFO or whatever you wanna call it, and they think it might be from an alien planet or whatever the fuck they think it's from, do they, do they have a protocol?

    13. JC

      Oh, you mean like the pilots that-

    14. JR

      Yeah, I mean, is there like a military thing? Is there ... If you see a UFO, is there something you're supposed to do?

    15. JC

      Now you can and are encouraged to report it, but before it was so stigmatized. And people that are, you know, ground level on this say there's still crazy stigma. But you are now being encouraged to report it, and these reports have to, in a short amount of time, go up the chain of command. So I think we're, we're getting better reporting now, I think because it's a safety of flight issue. But at that time in 2019 when these ships were swarmed ... Yeah, that's-

    16. JR

      This is the one that-

    17. JC

      ... the USS Omaha, yeah.

    18. JR

      ... that goes into the water?

    19. JC

      Yes, that they believe that it, it ends up going into the water. That's what the documents said and the documents I was exposed to that I read made it, made an argument for that, made a case for that.

    20. JR

      So it looks like now that it's hovering ... Boy, this is shitty footage.

    21. JC

      Well, see, that's-

    22. JR

      I want my money back, Navy.

    23. JC

      I know, I know.

    24. JR

      Don't spend your goddamn camera money on ...

    25. JC

      But, but do understand that this is ... Why I could release it is 'cause this is an unclassified, um, platform that's being filmed. Otherwise-

    26. JR

      Hmm.

    27. JC

      ... that would not be cool of me to release.

    28. JR

      So there it looks like it just went into the water.

    29. JC

      Right.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  11. 36:34 – 1:12:16

    Bob Lazar deep dive: element 115, Zeta Reticuli claims, and corroboration arguments

    1. JR

      So where do you think they got these UFOs from?

    2. JC

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      If we do have something and we've been working on back engineering it, where do you think they got them from?

    4. JC

      Yeah. I get different answers, man, uh, from different people. Um, so you say cra- like some are crashes, right? Which is like hard to fathom that something that advanced could crash.

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. JC

      Um, but that's what I'm told. You know, is that some were crashes. That's what, you know, that's how I understand it to be. Now other people think maybe there were some from an archeological dig.

    7. JR

      That's what Bob said. He-

    8. JC

      I was surprised he talked about that.

    9. JR

      Yeah. He said that there was one that they had spoken about at S4, that they said that they had recovered from an archeological dig and they said it was a long time ago and it's really old.

    10. JC

      Yeah. I think people need to not feel like they have to believe one thing to believe the whole thing. I think there's a cumulative weight here, and I think that we're, we are prying open the doors. If you read this language in Congress and Senate about the UFO immunity, our world is about to change if we stick to our guns, if we push to get these answers. We're gonna find out one way or the other. Is this just some-

    11. JR

      Right. We're, we're moving around a little bit here though. Let's go back to the, uh, these crafts that they're back engineering. Like how are they getting these?

    12. JC

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      And why do you think that they have them?

    14. JC

      Okay. Well I'm ... M- my experience tells me that they're getting them from what you call crashes, like downed crashes.

    15. JR

      Oh, so all of them? So none of them-

    16. JC

      Not-

    17. JR

      ... none of them like were a gift?

    18. JC

      That's the other kind of, I'd say theory. Is some people-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. JC

      ... that are involved in, in processing this information are like, "It can't have crashed, man. It was perfect. It was like they must have left it for us." Some people believe that. But how do we know? I mean, I just-

    21. JR

      That sounds so hokey.

    22. JC

      It, it does.

    23. JR

      Both things sound hokey. The crash sounds hokey.

    24. JC

      The whole fucking thing is extraordinarily bizarre. It doesn't-

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. JC

      ... mean it's not true though.

    27. JR

      Right. That's the other thing that Bob said that I thought was really fascinating was that there was some documentation that they were, uh, showing him that claimed that we are the product of accelerated evolution.

    28. JC

      He was shown a lot of shit, and he doesn't like talking about it because he doesn't know if it's just total fucking nonsense.

    29. JR

      Right.

    30. JC

      You know, he is sure that they showed him shit just to see if he'd fucking say crazy shit.

  12. 1:12:16 – 1:31:47

    NASA and Space Force enter the conversation: satellite ‘alien hunters’ and the secrecy gap

    1. JC

      Right? See, I think we're, we're reinventing the wheel so much. Like Avi, Avi Loeb at Harvard and, you know-

    2. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JC

      ... NASA just... I think this is true, NASA just announced they're gonna repurpose their satellites to look for, you know, UFOs. I think-

    4. JR

      Really?

    5. JC

      ... I think that's a real article. Jamie, if, if you can find that, I'd like-

    6. JR

      Repurpose their satellites to look for UFOs?

    7. JC

      That's my word, repurpose. But yeah, NASA made an announcement that they're gonna kind of repurpose their satellites-

    8. JR

      Look at that.

    9. JC

      ... to look for... Is that correct?

    10. JR

      NASA wants to turn satellites into alien hunters.

    11. JC

      There we go.

    12. JR

      That's just from a couple weeks ago.

    13. JC

      Cool.

    14. JR

      Wow. Click on that.

    15. JC

      It's like my memory has been so bad, it's nice to-

    16. JR

      No, you're dead on, brother. Look at that.

    17. JC

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      NASA is looking to repurpose satellites. You said it perfectly.

    19. JC

      Okay.

    20. JR

      This is fucking crazy. Asked why the space agency is embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, it said one of its remits is to look for life outside of Earth. Fascinating. Okay, so last month the US Space Agency announced it was launching an eight-month inquiry in, to investigate-... "hundreds of unexplained UFO sightings. The inquiry is being held by Doctors Thomas ... " What's with all these names?

    21. JC

      Mm-hmm.

    22. JR

      Zurbuchen? Zurbuchen? How do you say that? What do you think?

    23. JC

      (laughs) Uh, Zu- ... Yeah, Zurbuchen.

    24. JR

      "Dr. Thomas Zurbuchen of NASA's Science Mission, uh, Directorate who has been investigating whether satellites in space could be repurposed to give another view on strange aerial phenomena reported from Earth. Speaking to journalists in London this week, Colonel Pam, um, Melroy, the deputy administrator of NASA, said, 'The team is going to be looking at questions like, do we have sensors that can see things, you know, take another look at the evidence?' One of the big questions that Thomas asked is, 'We have a ton of satellites looking down at Earth. Are any of them useful?' I mean, before you build a rover that's going to Mars, you ask yourself, what's a sensor I have to build to detect the most interesting things? So they're really going to focus on that." Wow. Scroll up there. "How would, uh, you get the evidence you need to be able to determine if it's an optical phenomena or some other kind of phenomena? Even the greatest scientists were ridiculed. Bill Nelson, an- a NASA administrator, told journalists that he had read all the classified documents relating to UFOs and was convinced-

    25. JC

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... that nobody knew what they were. Questioned as to why NASA was embarking on such a seemingly fringe subject, Nelson said that one of the space agency's remits was to hunt for life outside of Earth, and that in the past, even the greatest scientists have been disbelieved and ridiculed. 'Remember that one of our missions is to reach out to see if there is life,' he said. 'That's why we're digging on Mars right now. Is the po- ... Is the possibility of life in something as big as the universe? Of course there's a chance, in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed, and some other kind of life form developed.'" Hmm.

    27. JC

      It kinda drives me crazy though that they're like, "Oh, we're gonna repurpose our satellites and look for UFOs." We- f- it's my understanding that we have well ... We can well track UFOs. Th- think about NORAD and you can ... You know, the joke is y- you can't throw a- a s- you know, a softball in our atmosphere without it being tracked and targeted.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JC

      It's my understanding ... Like, what else captured the Tic Tacs above 80,000 feet? Did we have any other optic systems or targeting systems that captured those Tic Tacs? Be- 'cause the SPY-1 saw it at 80,000. My understanding-

    30. JR

      What is the SPY-1?

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