Joe Rogan Experience #1859 - Louis CK & Joe List

1. 0:00 – 2:02

   Praise for ‘Fourth of July’ and Joe List’s acting debut

   1. JLJoe List0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) Hey, fellas.

   4. NANarrator0:14

      (laughs)

   5. LCLouis C.K.0:15

      Hey.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What's going on?

   7. JLJoe List0:16

      Hey.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      So, let me first say, that fucking movie is great.

   9. JLJoe List0:19

      Thank you.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       It's really good. I really enjoyed it. I fucking laughed hard-

   11. JLJoe List0:22

       Thank you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       ... when they, the family in Maine. Holy shit-

   13. JLJoe List0:24

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       ... was that great, with Nick Di Paolo-

   15. JLJoe List0:26

       Nick Di Paolo.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       ... Tony V. Oh, my God, it's very funny.

   17. JLJoe List0:29

       That makes me feel good. Thank you.

   18. LCLouis C.K.0:30

       Thank you.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       It's really good, it's really good, it's really good.

   20. JLJoe List0:33

       Thank you.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       You're a good actor, Joe.

   22. JLJoe List0:34

       Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       You're really good, man.

   24. JLJoe List0:37

       I-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       You're really good.

   26. JLJoe List0:38

       Thank you. I have very little training. But I was playing myself. We wrote it, so a lot of real emotions.

   27. LCLouis C.K.0:43

       It doesn't matter, though, if you play yourself, 'cause you have to play moments, you have to play feelings-

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Yeah.

   29. LCLouis C.K.0:47

       ... you have to listen. And I didn't know if he was gonna be any good. It had to be him, because it was his story. We wrote it together, I directed it, and, uh, but I didn't know if he would have the mechanics right. But he's very natural. I never had to talk to him once during the filming. It was just, you know-

   30. JLJoe List1:03

       (laughs)
2. 2:02 – 3:17

   Directing choices that visualize anxiety (lenses, camera movement, color)

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      It's really good. I, I, I've, if I went to see that in the movies and I didn't know any of you, I'd really enjoy it. The, th- w- there's, and, and I had a question about filmmaking itself.

   2. LCLouis C.K.2:11

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      There's moments where, like, you the therapist are talking to him, where it's a head-on shot, but the camera's kinda, like, slightly moving a little-

   4. LCLouis C.K.2:19

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JLJoe List2:19

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:19

      ... which I thought was very interesting.

   7. LCLouis C.K.2:21

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:21

      Like, do you, what is the reason to do... Is it to keep you occupied? Is it to create like a sense that you're actually there? Because when you're seeing a person-

   9. LCLouis C.K.2:30

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:30

       ... you're kinda moving and kinda static? Like...

   11. LCLouis C.K.2:32

       Well, it depends. Like, sometimes, well, we used in this movie, we used what are called anamorphic lenses, and they make more of a dollar bill shape than like a television. It's, like, wider. So, uh, w- the movie's about a guy who has severe anxiety, and so anxiety is about having too much peripheral sense, you know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       Mm.

   13. LCLouis C.K.2:50

       And so sometimes we would rock the, the, the, the, the, the screen, the ma- camera just a little bit, just a tiny bit-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:56

       Yeah.

   15. LCLouis C.K.2:56

       ... to feel as disbalanced, like if you're just sitting in a chair, you feel like you're gonna throw up a little bit.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       (laughs)

   17. LCLouis C.K.3:02

       There's, uh... And there's, we did other effects, like sometimes we made the, the light go green, which is kinda like a green nausea feeling. Nausea and anxiety are very connected.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:11

       Mm.

   19. LCLouis C.K.3:11

       So we did that with him to make him look like he was as uncomfortable as h- as he really can be.

3. 3:17 – 4:28

   Why Louis loves directing: tech obsession and constant problem-solving

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:17

      T- how much do you enjoy that process versus the process of creating standup?

   2. LCLouis C.K.3:21

      I love it so much.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:22

      Yeah?

   4. LCLouis C.K.3:23

      I just love it so much. It drives me crazy how much I love it. I love film, I love lenses, I love photography. I love the, all the tech stuff. I love going, drilling way down with the DP about what's the equipment we're gonna use and why. Uh, I had a good DP on this one who didn't give a shit. He just, he was just like, "Yeah, you could, I guess. Who cares?" (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:43

      (laughs)

   6. LCLouis C.K.3:43

      Like he was just a real... He came up as a, like, camera loader. He came up, he's not like a, you know, film school guy who wrote a thesis. He's a guy who worked in the camera department, and now he runs it, so. But I like it, I like it. And I like, um, equipment. I like, um, the process. You know? And the problem is, it's all day problem-solving.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:01

      Yeah.

   8. LCLouis C.K.4:01

      It occupies your whole spirit when you're directing, 'cause you're like, "How are we gonna get this day done? They're kicking us out at 8:00. The light's going." Stuff like that. It's like being on a boat, you know.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:11

      Yeah.

   10. LCLouis C.K.4:11

       'Cause nothing's in your control. You can just try to maneuver. You've got an actor who's just not doing it. You have an actor who didn't show up. There's all kinds of stuff that happens. And if you're clever and you stay s- on a swivel, you get through the day and you go, "Fuck, I can't believe we got all that." And there was good shit on film. That's...

4. 4:28 – 6:36

   From first phone call to wrap: rapid writing, self-financing, pandemic momentum

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:28

      How much of a process is it? Like, how long is it from the time where you started writing this-

   2. LCLouis C.K.4:33

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      ... till, like, pitch it, write it, and then get it done?

   4. JLJoe List4:37

      I know the exact dates if you want them. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:38

      Yeah.

   6. LCLouis C.K.4:38

      Yeah, give, give it.

   7. JLJoe List4:40

      First phone call was February 28th. I mean, this is, like, not normal. February 28th.

   8. LCLouis C.K.4:45

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JLJoe List4:45

      We chatted on a Sunday for about three hours unexpectedly. And we wrapped, I believe, on September 9th, 8th.

   10. LCLouis C.K.4:52

       Yeah, it was very quick.

   11. JLJoe List4:52

       That's from conception to we're wrapped-

   12. LCLouis C.K.4:55

       From ph-

   13. JLJoe List4:55

       ... from the movie shot.

   14. LCLouis C.K.4:56

       ... from "Let's make a movie about something" in Fe- late February to out, ready at the end of September.

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:03

       Wow.

   16. JLJoe List5:04

       It was crazy.

   17. LCLouis C.K.5:04

       Like, it was unheard of. We wrote it kinda qu- you know, the, first of all, the pandemic was sort of just starting to wane but it was still in effect. And, um, so there was a lot of, we were all so eager to do fucking something.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:17

       Yeah.

   19. LCLouis C.K.5:17

       You know? And, uh, there, we were used to this empty space in time. So he came up to my place upstate couple of times. We just wrote on the blackboard. And also it depends on the movie. We, I knew what this movie should be from the very beginning. Like, we just felt what this movie was about, what the engines were that were gonna run. We knew Di Paolo was gonna play this guy, we knew Tony V was gonna play all these guys. So we, the voices were so clear, and, that it was an easy... We just, sometimes you, to feel like you're taking dictation when you write a movie. Like, it's just telling itself to you. So the writing was a lot quicker than usual. And because it's just me financing it, there was nobody to send the script to, wait for comments. We just-

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       Mm.

   21. LCLouis C.K.5:56

       ... we just finished w- and we wrote, "That's it." And then we went back over it and reworked it a few times.... so we're not wasting any money when you shoot. Try to cut it down, 'cause you're probably gonna cut anyway. Uh, and then start hiring folks. Then it's just, just simple, you know. I gave it to my assistant, Lia, who's also my producer. She's the executive producer of the movie. She does everything for me. So she started getting into, you know, (clears throat) the heads of departments. We started hiring people, got a casting agent, she started casting. Just start working, working, working. Um, and then everything else get dic- gets dictated by, like, where (clears throat) , where are you shooting? Are you shooting in a house? When is it available? That house is available for these weeks, so that's our target, and try to get everything together by then. Yeah.

5. 6:36 – 10:09

   Casting Boston talent and building emotionally complex parents

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:36

      And the people that you got are fantastic too. Like, the, the woman who plays your mother is amazing.

   2. JLJoe List6:41

      Yeah.

   3. LCLouis C.K.6:42

      Paula Plum. Paula Plum.

   4. JLJoe List6:43

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      She's just-

   6. LCLouis C.K.6:44

      They're all Boston actors. Everybody in the movie is, like, local either comedians from Boston, or including me and Joe, or, uh, actors. She's a, like, a storied Boston actor. She's, like, in every great play that takes place in Boston.

   7. JLJoe List6:58

      Oh.

   8. LCLouis C.K.6:58

      And sh- and actually her and the dad, Bob, uh, Walsh-

   9. JLJoe List7:01

      Yeah.

   10. LCLouis C.K.7:01

       ... who played the dad, they have played man and wife in many plays, like in a major pla- not in Broadway, but in Boston, which, in Boston, that's big, you know. And that, and she was fucking great. That was the hardest thing. F- how are we gonna find this woman?

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:14

       She was so good.

   12. JLJoe List7:16

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan7:16

       Like, the, just the, even the way she hugs you, it's, like, exactly like that lady would hug you. (laughs)

   14. LCLouis C.K.7:20

       Yeah, who can't. She can't. She can't.

   15. JLJoe List7:24

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       There was so many good lines in the movie too, like when talking about the ex-girlfriend. "Oh, the one with the mouth and the tits." (laughs)

   17. LCLouis C.K.7:30

       Yeah, the one with the mouth and the tits.

   18. JLJoe List7:32

       That's a- that's a true story, by the way, that I tell.

   19. LCLouis C.K.7:34

       Yeah, yeah.

   20. JLJoe List7:34

       I have a ex-girlfriend that when we first started dating, we'd been together for, like, a few weeks and it was, like, popping off. We love each other, oh my God. And she left her email open and I searched my name, thinking I would find all these great things she's saying about me behind my back.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       (laughs) So stupid.

   22. JLJoe List7:49

       It was really bad. And there was, like, a chat, like a Gchat, Gmail chat, between her and her best friend, and she literally was like, "I just met this guy. I think I'm in love with him. He's the funniest guy I've ever met. I'm not attracted to him, but I'm gonna give it a shot." (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan8:03

       Oh, that's hard.

   24. JLJoe List8:04

       And I just read it, and then, like, you know, she comes home a few hours later (laughs) and is like, "Hey," and I'm like, "Hey."

   25. LCLouis C.K.8:09

       That's hard.

   26. JLJoe List8:10

       And it's brutal. It still lingers, by the way.

   27. JRJoe Rogan8:12

       The pain from that?

   28. JLJoe List8:13

       Was that the end of it?

   29. LCLouis C.K.8:13

       Becau- no, 'c-'cause I couldn't... First of all, I was, like, in love with her, and it wasn't a confidence boost. I was like, "I can't (laughs) go be single now knowing I'm ugly."

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       (laughs)
6. 10:09 – 12:53

   Release strategy: theaters, then louisck.com—and what crowds revealed

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:09

      And so you're releasing it only on your website?

   2. LCLouis C.K.10:12

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      You're not gonna put it out anywhere else afterwards?

   4. LCLouis C.K.10:14

      I mean, we'll see, you know. But right now, the be- the best mouth to drink in the interest is the website.

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:20

      Yeah.

   6. LCLouis C.K.10:20

      It just goes right, comes right to us.

   7. JLJoe List10:22

      We did a big theatrical run also though.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:23

      Yeah.

   9. LCLouis C.K.10:23

      Yeah, it was in the theaters for-

   10. JLJoe List10:24

       Did very well.

   11. LCLouis C.K.10:25

       ... yeah, for a month, and it was killing.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Really?

   13. LCLouis C.K.10:28

       Yeah, it was, um, like AMC Theaters, and Regal, and a few theaters. What they do if they don't give you a full run, they just go, "You can have every city for one night."

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:36

       Mm.

   15. LCLouis C.K.10:36

       Like, at seven o'clock on a Wednesday, we were in 70 screens across the country.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:41

       Wow.

   17. LCLouis C.K.10:42

       And they all sold out and doubled. We were-

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       Wow.

   19. LCLouis C.K.10:44

       In, in a lot of cities, we were, like, in three theaters, like w- like, uh, like Thor or something.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Holy shit.

   21. LCLouis C.K.10:49

       Yeah, and then at the Laemmle in LA get h- held over, like, three, four weeks I think.

   22. JLJoe List10:53

       Yeah.

   23. LCLouis C.K.10:54

       It just kept getting held over.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       Wow.

   25. LCLouis C.K.10:56

       It was very... In New York, we had a premiere at the Beacon Theater, and we packed it, and everybody watched the movie in the Beacon Theater, and it was-

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:03

       That's fucking amazing.

   27. LCLouis C.K.11:04

       ... huge. It was fun.

   28. JLJoe List11:04

       That's amazing. Yeah, it was huge laughs. I don't wanna derail the conversation. My ash just fell off on the rug and I feel terrible.

   29. LCLouis C.K.11:08

       Doesn't matter.

   30. JLJoe List11:08

       Okay, great.
7. 12:53 – 23:02

   Independence vs. streaming platforms: algorithm pressure, notes, and owning your audience

   1. JLJoe List12:53

      Mm.

   2. LCLouis C.K.12:53

      And so I, to me that's a successful movie, one that it gets completely different reactions from different people, but they all like it and they're, you know, they're all compelled.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Is this the first time you've ever released something just directly? I know you did your animated show, you d- you released that directly on your website too, right?

   4. LCLouis C.K.12:53

      Animated- oh yeah, yeah, which one? Animated?

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Horace and Pete.

   6. LCLouis C.K.12:53

      Oh yeah, Horace and Pete, that was the, the, the stage show. Yeah, this is the first thing I've made that, besides standup specials, um, I have two new ones that just, that are, that are out now, but that's the first one that I, the very, yeah. It's the first movie I've ever put out on my site directly. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      And you've just been doing mostly your standup specials that way, right?

   8. LCLouis C.K.12:53

      Standup specials. Also my series Louie on FX, that's on my website too exclusively. I got, I licensed it from FX and from Disney who actually owns it, and so you can buy it on my website. I had, I li- I got them to give it to me exclusive so I wouldn't have to compete with-

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:53

      Ah.

   10. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       So if, you can buy the whole series, all five seasons for five, for $30 for the whole five seasons.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Do you think you'll ever get to a point where your website is like a subscription thing? Like a fucking Hulu type deal where you could just subscribe to your website and get all the things?

   12. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       I think that's tough because it's not that much content. I mean, I have, there's packages, like you can buy all my s- I have seven standup hour specials on there now, and you can buy them all for 25 bucks. So that unlocks all of them. You can stream them.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Hmm.

   14. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       You can download them and own them and whatever. Uh, that's just the way it's always been between me and my fans on the website. Uh, I, I put, I put stuff out once in a while. It's at a price that's, that just get, just enough for me to get some profit, uh, and get the money back, you know. So it lets me operate independently and it's outside of the kind of algorithmic... It's not... The thing is that those platforms depend on algorithmic plug-in and it's a very different model.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   16. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       They also have billions of dollars to create content and to lice- license content. Um, I don't know where it's going. I'm grow- it's starting to be a lot of m- a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff on the website.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   18. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah, that's what I'm getting to. It's like, uh, I've, I've thought about that too because a lot of people are starting to do that now. Like Schultz released his po- his, uh, new special completely on his website.

   20. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       And, uh, a lot of people are doing those kind of things now because you, you do encounter these problems with streaming services and-

   22. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       ... censorship and just weird-

   24. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       ... just having their input on content. It's not fun.

   26. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       No, of course not. And, uh, they have, 'cause when you're on a streaming service or on any platform, they have their own problems.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   28. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       And because they're all owned by larger and larger corporations, um, they have to, they can't do anything that wiggles too much. So they have just too many concerns and that's the way I look at it. It's not like oppression. It's just like they're too, they're too-

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:53

       Yeah.

   30. LCLouis C.K.12:53

       ... mixed in with other shit to be my boss 'cause I wanna be able to fuck around and have fun.
8. 23:02 – 27:37

   Funding the movie, touring logistics, and the COVID scare (plus cigarettes)

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:02

      So, when you're doing something like this and you're also touring-

   2. LCLouis C.K.23:05

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:05

      ... 'cause you're, you're still touring a lot-

   4. LCLouis C.K.23:07

      Yes.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:07

      ... uh, how do you allocate the time? Do you just decide to take a couple of months off and not do any standup, or how do you, how do you handle that?

   6. LCLouis C.K.23:15

      Well, I've gotten kinda good at segmenting time, and you, when you're not thinking about something, you put it aside like it doesn't exist at all. So, with this thing, like, we wrote it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:24

      Mm-hmm.

   8. LCLouis C.K.23:25

      (clears throat) Then we were in pre-production. I think I toured during pre-production.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:29

      I think you shot a special the night before we went into production-

   10. LCLouis C.K.23:32

       That's right. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:33

       ... which I argued against-

   12. LCLouis C.K.23:34

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       ... pretty hard. I was like, "I don't think that's a great idea."

   14. LCLouis C.K.23:36

       That's right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       Why did you think it was a bad idea?

   16. LCLouis C.K.23:38

       It was the day before.

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:38

       I, well, I just was like, "Why don't we just focus on the movie?"

   18. LCLouis C.K.23:42

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:42

       But we're different kinds of guys, obviously.

   20. LCLouis C.K.23:44

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan23:44

       And he's like, "I'm thinking about shooting a special?" Literally the night before we started shooting, or maybe there was one day.

   22. LCLouis C.K.23:50

       It was one day between, that's right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       Yeah, and I was like-

   24. LCLouis C.K.23:52

       Ugh.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:52

       ... "Ah, you can shoot it after. That's probably for the best."

   26. LCLouis C.K.23:54

       That's right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:55

       But, uh...

   28. LCLouis C.K.23:55

       That's right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:56

       I didn't, I lost that argument.

   30. LCLouis C.K.23:57

       Yeah.
9. 27:37 – 35:52

   Combat-sports tangent: KOs, memory gaps, and the ethics of brain damage

   1. JRJoe Rogan27:37

      Well, we have, uh, smelling salts, which is almost as good.

   2. JLJoe List27:39

      Oh, those are fun.

   3. JRJoe Rogan27:40

      Have you ever smelled those?

   4. JLJoe List27:41

      I have, yeah, in elementary sch- or not elementary school. I guess it was high school, in school, whatever school's called. I was like pretending to be sick to get out of class and then, uh, the teacher gave me smelling salts and it was quite a, quite a thrill.

   5. JRJoe Rogan27:53

      It's a jolt.

   6. JLJoe List27:54

      Yeah, it was a jolt.

   7. LCLouis C.K.27:55

      It's to wake you up when you've passed out, right? Like it-

   8. JLJoe List27:57

      Yeah, it's like after you got a big hit. And, well, in th- the old days in football they'd just give you smelling salts, but now they send you in the tent.

   9. LCLouis C.K.28:03

      Have you ever seen-

   10. JLJoe List28:04

       But hockey players do it before a game.

   11. LCLouis C.K.28:05

       Have you ever seen videos of, it's, uh, like, a, a boxing match I saw in, in Africa somewhere and a guy was knocked out and his trainer goes over and reaches in his shorts and just starts jacking them off-

   12. JLJoe List28:15

       (laughs)

   13. LCLouis C.K.28:15

       ... to wake him up. Have you ever seen that?

   14. JLJoe List28:16

       Yes. I have seen that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan28:17

       Stop it.

   16. JLJoe List28:17

       Yeah.

   17. LCLouis C.K.28:17

       I've seen this many places.

   18. JLJoe List28:18

       I've seen that.

   19. LCLouis C.K.28:18

       It's just a normal-

   20. JLJoe List28:19

       Yeah.

   21. LCLouis C.K.28:20

       ... a- heterosexual athletic idea.

   22. JLJoe List28:22

       Come on.

   23. JRJoe Rogan28:22

       I don't understand why they do that. I think it might just be a perv who just says, "I know how to fix it."

   24. JLJoe List28:26

       Can we pull this up, 'cause I'm not buying it.

   25. LCLouis C.K.28:28

       I think it, I think you guys are fucking with me.

   26. JLJoe List28:29

       Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll find it, yeah.

   27. LCLouis C.K.28:30

       It's some old wives' tale, you know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:31

       There's quite a few of those.

   29. LCLouis C.K.28:33

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:33

       Yeah.
10. 35:52 – 45:14

    OJ Simpson rabbit hole: Twitter videos, fandom, and ‘The Run of His Life’

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:52

       Do you think OJ really remembers what happened that night? I w- I w- would like to... I would wonder what his actual memory is like.

    2. LCLouis C.K.35:59

       Well, his book is-

    3. JRJoe Rogan36:00

       Yeah, I got that book.

    4. LCLouis C.K.36:01

       ... the memory book. And it's when he's... There's one point where he's in the car and there's a guy in the backseat. He had a character with him who was yelling at him, saying, "What are you doing, OJ? You can't, you can't do this," and he's telling him to shut up. This is what people do when they're in a... They split in two.

    5. JRJoe Rogan36:16

       Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    6. LCLouis C.K.36:17

       So, so he... That is probably how he remembers it, you know?

    7. JRJoe Rogan36:20

       Right.

    8. LCLouis C.K.36:21

       I mean, I don't fucking know, but, you know.

    9. JRJoe Rogan36:23

       Yeah, I don't fucking know either, but i- it's... Watching that guy on Twitter is fucking fascinating.

    10. LCLouis C.K.36:29

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan36:29

        Have you ever watched his videos? Like, "Hello-"

    12. LCLouis C.K.36:31

        No.

    13. JRJoe Rogan36:31

        "... Twitter world. It's yours truly, OJ Simpson."

    14. LCLouis C.K.36:33

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        You need to see it. You haven't seen this? You need to see some of these. They're fucking incredible. And he's so oblivious that he'll comment on, like, murders.

    16. LCLouis C.K.36:41

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:42

        Like, "This is so senseless."

    18. LCLouis C.K.36:43

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:43

        And then the, the... Look in the comments, I, I don't know if he reads the comments or not, but it's all like, "Knives," and shit, like people post-

    20. LCLouis C.K.36:49

        (laughs)

    21. Jesus Christ. (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan36:52

        (laughs) It's fucking crazy. And he's out there golfing.

    23. LCLouis C.K.36:54

        Wow.

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:55

        I mean-

    25. LCLouis C.K.36:55

        Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:55

        ... the guy allegedly killed two people-

    27. LCLouis C.K.36:58

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:58

        ... with a fucking knife-

    29. LCLouis C.K.36:59

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:59

        ... which is one of the most horrific ways to kill someone.
11. 45:14 – 54:54

    Porn, shame, and changing norms in film and culture

    1. LCLouis C.K.45:14

       Yes.

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:14

       It's just crazy. Like this is... Back in the day, we had to go to a DVD store and go through the embarrassing beads.

    3. LCLouis C.K.45:19

       Oh, God. Yes.

    4. JRJoe Rogan45:20

       (laughs)

    5. LCLouis C.K.45:20

       The beaded door to that room. And there's a guy at a section you wanna be at, but you don't wanna...

    6. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       You don't wanna go close to him. (laughs)

    7. LCLouis C.K.45:26

       You don't want to be shoulder to shoulder with him. Like, "I saw that one."

    8. JRJoe Rogan45:29

       Kids today will never understand.

    9. LCLouis C.K.45:31

       I'll never... I remember when there was VHS tapes and they had glitches in them and there would always be one point where there's a big, like, you know, it would get fuzzy on the screen, because that's where the last guy kept rewinding that mom- that was his cum moment.

    10. JRJoe Rogan45:43

        (laughs)

    11. LCLouis C.K.45:44

        So he kept going back and back. So that right at a very big cum shot, this is it.

    12. JRJoe Rogan45:49

        (Laughs) (screeching noise)

    13. LCLouis C.K.45:50

        Those were the days. We were all sharing porn then.

    14. JRJoe Rogan45:53

        Yeah, we all would make copies.

    15. LCLouis C.K.45:55

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan45:55

        There was this pool hall that I used to go to. My friend Brian had two VCRs and he would always tell, "Oh, I got a good one, man. I gotta go." He was a hilarious dude. He's like, "I got a fucking good one, man. You gotta get this one." And he'd like hand out copies to everybody.

    17. LCLouis C.K.46:08

        Mm-hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan46:08

        He wanted everybody to be jerking off-

    19. LCLouis C.K.46:10

        He's a nice guy.

    20. JRJoe Rogan46:10

        ... to what he was jerking off too.

    21. LCLouis C.K.46:11

        (Laughs) Yeah. What a sweetheart.

    22. JRJoe Rogan46:12

        That's sweet. Yeah.

    23. LCLouis C.K.46:13

        He was shameless. He's, he's like-

    24. JLJoe List46:15

        Yeah.

    25. LCLouis C.K.46:15

        Shameless people are fucking hilarious. It's the funny thing about porn is such a private shameful moment.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        Yeah.

    27. LCLouis C.K.46:20

        But you're sharing it with a lot of people.

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:22

        Yeah.

    29. LCLouis C.K.46:22

        Like if you go on like Pornhub or something and you're watching a video where you're like, "This is weird that I'm watching this. This one's weird. This makes me feel weird." And there's like 365 million views.

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:32

        (laughs) I know, right? But porn is the strangest thing because it's, it's so forbidden and taboo-
12. 54:54 – 1:08:31

    Bobby Kelly, AA realism, and the craft of standup (writing, bombing, vulnerability)

    1. JLJoe List54:54

       Isn't he amazing?

    2. LCLouis C.K.54:55

       Amazing.

    3. JLJoe List54:55

       He's really good. He's so good.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:56

       Really good, yeah.

    5. LCLouis C.K.54:57

       Bobby, I'll put him... I'll put him in anything. He's the best and he-

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:00

       I love Bobby.

    7. LCLouis C.K.55:01

       He just... He was one of those guys that didn't like, like picking up, uh, uh, Alex Rodriguez. Like, he can play third... I don't care where he plays, he's gotta be on the team. Like, it's just... We had to have Bobby in the movie, and he fit perfectly as his, as his, uh-

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:13

       Sponsor.

    9. LCLouis C.K.55:13

       ... sponsor. Sponsee.

    10. JLJoe List55:15

        Sponsee.

    11. LCLouis C.K.55:15

        And it's a cool thing about the, the, the movie, uh, is that it's about AA on some level, but most AA movies have tropes. They have a AA meeting where everybody feels great, and then they... The guy in the movie who's alcoholic always has to relapse and then come... That's the only, it's the only storyline acceptable for alcoholics-

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        Right.

    13. LCLouis C.K.55:34

        ... is he falls off the wagon and then comes back. This movie's not about that, but it's about the AA things that are a pain in the ass in AA, like, like having to have a... Sponsors are always very sage.... and sponsees are very innocent. But in this movie, we're shown when you first get your first sponsor, that you don't know, "What the fuck do I say to this guy?" And Bobby is like, plays a very throbbing with need, desperate alcoholic. And Joe, who's barely sober and barely, like, contained, is having to help this fucking guy who he doesn't really get to know or get along with that much.

    14. JRJoe Rogan56:08

        Right.

    15. LCLouis C.K.56:08

        So, it was fun to show that anyway.

    16. JRJoe Rogan56:11

        Yeah.

    17. LCLouis C.K.56:11

        You know? Bobby was great. I made a special for Bobby. We... Uh, a standup special in Florida.

    18. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        Oh, really?

    19. LCLouis C.K.56:15

        Yeah. We shot it a couple months ago, I guess, and-

    20. JRJoe Rogan56:17

        When does that come out?

    21. LCLouis C.K.56:18

        I'm gonna... It's gonna be on my website and I'm, I'm... I gotta edit it. It'll probably come in September.

    22. JRJoe Rogan56:22

        Oh, nice.

    23. LCLouis C.K.56:23

        Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan56:23

        I'd love to have Bobby on too. I've never had him on.

    25. LCLouis C.K.56:25

        You should.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:25

        I've known Bobby forever. I worked with him when we were both in our early, early 20s back when he was... He was living at a house for, um, mentally handicapped people.

    27. LCLouis C.K.56:37

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:37

        He was, like, helping these people and we took these two girls back to his place to fool around.

    29. LCLouis C.K.56:42

        (laughs)

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:42

        So we went back to, uh, Bobby's room, me and Bobby and these two girls. And, like-

Episode duration: 3:16:19