Joe Rogan Experience #1860 - Tim Dillon

Joe Rogan 0:00 (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hi, Tim Dillon.

Tim Dillon 0:13 Joe Rogan-

Joe Rogan 0:14 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 0:14 ... thank you for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:15 My pleasure.

Tim Dillon 0:16 Thank you for having me, sir. I appreciate it.

Joe Rogan 0:18 My pleasure. That was-

Tim Dillon 0:19 Dr-

Joe Rogan 0:19 ... fun, going over to the club.

Tim Dillon 0:21 It was amazing. It's gonna be great.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Looks exciting.

Tim Dillon 0:23 It's gonna be great. I'm excited about it. I'm excited and, uh, Louie was there.

Joe Rogan 0:28 I'm glad we got him to look at too, he has some-

Tim Dillon 0:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:30 ... great notes.

Tim Dillon 0:31 He's been, what would you say, 30 something? I mean, you guys have been around the same time, do you know?

Joe Rogan 0:35 Yeah, he was a little bit before me but he's gotta be 35 years in now.

Tim Dillon 0:39 So, he's been to every, every configuration of a comedy venue.

Joe Rogan 0:43 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 0:44 So, and so have you probably. So you guys, hearing you guys talk about this place and that place, you now have all the benefit of all that knowledge to make your spot amazing.

Joe Rogan 0:53 And we're doing it from scratch.

Tim Dillon 0:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 0:55 So we can just adjust, change, do things.

Tim Dillon 0:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:58 Like, he had really good notes today.

Tim Dillon 0:59 You have the money, you have the time, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:01 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:01 ... you have everything that would make it perfect.

Joe Rogan 1:03 It's exciting.

Tim Dillon 1:04 What about C- Cap City's gonna open too.

Joe Rogan 1:06 They're open already.

Tim Dillon 1:07 Do you think-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Talent just did it.

Tim Dillon 1:08 ... will you, like, do you think you would, like, uh, like, threaten them, or-

Joe Rogan 1:14 No.

Tim Dillon 1:14 ... should we, like, would you, like, like do a bomb threat, or something?

Joe Rogan 1:18 (laughs) No.

Tim Dillon 1:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:19 No, I'll work there.

Tim Dillon 1:20 Well, there should be, like, some kind of war.

Joe Rogan 1:22 No.

Tim Dillon 1:23 Nah. No?

Joe Rogan 1:24 Who gives a fuck?

Tim Dillon 1:25 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:26 Come on, man.

Tim Dillon 1:26 Well, I just thought it would be good.

Joe Rogan 1:28 If you're the United States, do you invade Cambodia in 2022?

Tim Dillon 1:32 W- w-

Joe Rogan 1:32 Why would you do that?

Tim Dillon 1:33 Well, maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:34 They're not a threat.

Tim Dillon 1:35 That's a good point. They're not a threat. Okay. So, I like it. We're w- we're in a war already.

Joe Rogan 1:39 There's no war.

Tim Dillon 1:40 I, but, we're kind of in a wa-, it's a-

Joe Rogan 1:42 It's-

Tim Dillon 1:42 ... little war, it's a minor war.

Joe Rogan 1:43 It's the opposite of a war.

Tim Dillon 1:44 It's a Cold War.

Joe Rogan 1:45 It's a unity.

Tim Dillon 1:46 It's unity.

Joe Rogan 1:47 We're bringing everybody together.

Tim Dillon 1:48 Okay. I like that.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Texas doesn't wanna fight New Mexico, we're all in the same country.

Tim Dillon 1:52 There's a lot of states Texas does wanna fight.

Joe Rogan 1:55 (laughs) Texas might wanna fight California.

Tim Dillon 1:56 Texas and California should fight.

Joe Rogan 1:59 (laughs) T- Texas... First, they wanna fight Mexico. They wanna-

Tim Dillon 2:02 California grows their own food.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Sort of.

Tim Dillon 2:04 They have that benefit. Texas has the guns.

Joe Rogan 2:06 They grow almonds.

Tim Dillon 2:08 They've got some good produce.

Joe Rogan 2:09 They waste all the water on almonds.

Tim Dillon 2:11 It's a lot of almonds, but almond milk is good.

Joe Rogan 2:13 It's not.

Tim Dillon 2:14 You don't like it?

Joe Rogan 2:14 It's gross. It's only good with sugar. You ever have almond milk with no sugar in it?

Tim Dillon 2:19 I get the one that's, like, sweet. I get, like, cookie dough flavored almond milk.

Joe Rogan 2:21 Yeah, it's fucking-

Tim Dillon 2:22 Oh yeah, no. I don't do unsweetened almond milk, I do, like, chemical sweetener...

Joe Rogan 2:27 Of course.

Tim Dillon 2:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:28 Duncan Trussell was like, "Dude, I switched to almo- almond milk, it's amazing."

Tim Dillon 2:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:31 I go, "Look at it right now-"

Tim Dillon 2:32 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:33 "... and tell me how many grams of sugar per serving."

Tim Dillon 2:35 Oh, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 2:36 He's like, "Holy shit, it's 19!"

Tim Dillon 2:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:39 You know what I've-

Joe Rogan 2:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 2:39 ... been having some, some rarely, but in the Hamptons they have, like, non-homogenized, like, real cow's milk.

Joe Rogan 2:45 Oh, it's great.

Tim Dillon 2:45 It's really good.

Joe Rogan 2:46 It's better for you.

Tim Dillon 2:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:47 Raw milk is-

Tim Dillon 2:48 It's-

Joe Rogan 2:48 ... better for you.

Tim Dillon 2:49 It tastes better?

Joe Rogan 2:50 It just doesn't last long, but it's not supposed to last long.

Tim Dillon 2:52 No, it's supposed to come in a glass bottle.

Joe Rogan 2:54 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 2:54 And you're supposed to use it and then get rid of it.

Joe Rogan 2:55 Yeah, you're supposed to have it for a couple days and that's it.

Tim Dillon 2:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:58 That's all it's supposed to last.

Tim Dillon 2:58 They have really good... They have farm stands out there on that part of Long Island with fresh vegetables and then the milk-

Joe Rogan 3:04 Oh.

Tim Dillon 3:04 ... and everything like that.

Joe Rogan 3:05 That's nice.

Tim Dillon 3:06 Yeah. It's, it feels like when billionaires get involved you have good options.

Joe Rogan 3:11 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 3:12 You know? So-

Joe Rogan 3:13 Yeah, how much time-

Tim Dillon 3:13 ... that's-

Joe Rogan 3:13 ... are you spending out in the Hamptons?

Tim Dillon 3:15 Not a ton. I mean, we're on the road, we're back and forth everywhere. But I like to go out there and just chill and swim in the pool and invite the New York guys out, New York comics, I guess.

Joe Rogan 3:26 How long is that drive?

Tim Dillon 3:27 Uh, about an hour and 35 to, uh, two hours depending.

Joe Rogan 3:31 Wow.

Tim Dillon 3:32 Yeah. So I'll have them out for a day and then everybody'll go do spots at night.

Joe Rogan 3:37 No kidding.

Tim Dillon 3:37 So I'm doing a thing Labor Day I'll have some people out there and stuff.

Joe Rogan 3:40 Is there any comedy out there in the Hamptons?

Tim Dillon 3:42 No, they don't want any comedy there, or any tourism. They've actually... There's very few hotels, and the hotels are three or 4000 a night, and they're not anything great. But what they want is to keep people out. There's one road in and one road out.

Joe Rogan 3:57 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 3:57 They've done a great job of keeping regular human beings out-

Joe Rogan 4:02 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:02 ... with their fat, disgusting families. They've kept them out and they've done a great job, all the while tweeting about, "No human is illegal."

Joe Rogan 4:12 Right.

Tim Dillon 4:12 "Love is love," you know? "We must embrace everybody."

Joe Rogan 4:16 Sure.

Tim Dillon 4:16 But what they've really done where they live, and this is what rich people are very good at, they're very good, they, they like to live in inho- places that are inhospitable to other people.

Joe Rogan 4:27 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:27 You know? Like, they put houses on cliffs in Malibu.

Joe Rogan 4:30 Yep.

Tim Dillon 4:30 Nowhere near anybody, and out in the Hamptons they go f- to the far-flung end of Long Island. They like to be away from other people.

Joe Rogan 4:38 Do you go out there? Do you, like, go to parties? You hang out with those people?

Tim Dillon 4:41 I went to, like, one... No, I don't really get invited to parties.

Joe Rogan 4:44 Why?

Tim Dillon 4:44 I'm waiting.

Joe Rogan 4:45 I would invite you.

Tim Dillon 4:46 I would invite me too.

Joe Rogan 4:48 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:50 But I've not been invited.

Joe Rogan 4:52 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 4:52 I've not been invited. I was invited to one or two parties in Austin. I went, I, I, like, said something about them and then I was never invited again.

Joe Rogan 4:58 I brought you to the Elon party.

Tim Dillon 5:00 Yes, that was very nice.

Joe Rogan 5:00 That was fun.

Tim Dillon 5:01 I went to some tech guy's party in... You know, I j- made, like, a joke or two about it on the podcast and then the invitations-

Joe Rogan 5:07 And that was it.

Tim Dillon 5:07 ... dried up.

Joe Rogan 5:08 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 5:09 (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 5:10 They're all wearing-

Tim Dillon 5:11 Ben went-

Joe Rogan 5:11 ... Eyes Wide Shut masks.

Tim Dillon 5:12 So, Ben went back to his party and the guy gave Ben, like, a dirty look.

Joe Rogan 5:16 Really?

Tim Dillon 5:16 And I told, yeah, 'cause I told Ben, I'm like, "Don't go. We're on this list by mistake. He doesn't want us"-

Joe Rogan 5:21 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 5:21 "... coming back. He just didn't edit the list. Don't show up." Ben's like, "I don't know, I think we're invited." I'm like, "We're not." And he showed up and the guy gave him a really dirty look.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Really?

Tim Dillon 5:34 And I, yeah, 'cause he didn't want him there.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Really? He gave him a dirty look?

Tim Dillon 5:37 Well, that's right. 'Cause Ben is respon- you know, Ben writes my whole show.

Joe Rogan 5:41 He writes all the ad libs?

Tim Dillon 5:42 Everything that I say, that seems like it's off the top of my head, is written by Ben Avery @benaveryisgood on Twitter, I think.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Uh.

Tim Dillon 5:50 And, and so anybody that's upset at anything I say, I'm an actor, and Ben is really the problem.

Joe Rogan 5:56 Mm.

Tim Dillon 5:57 So, that's why the guy hated him. But, yeah, I don't get invited to real parties out there. But out there is just about, you have the tr- the beach and you have, like, green farms and trees and you just chill.

Joe Rogan 6:08 And-

Tim Dillon 6:08 Just chill.

Joe Rogan 6:09 Do you ever see Howard Stern?

Tim Dillon 6:11 No, no.

Joe Rogan 6:12 Does he-

Tim Dillon 6:12 He-

Joe Rogan 6:12 ... go out of his house?

Tim Dillon 6:13 He has a, like, massive... He doesn't go out of his home. He's got a massive estate where he just chills. Most people there, I go out and we drive around and stuff and see stuff, but a lot of those people don't leave their home. So, for the entire summer, they pretty much, maybe they go to one or two restaurants. They stay in their home, and then they have a, like a private beach that is, like, behind their house.

Joe Rogan 6:40 (exhales)

Tim Dillon 6:42 Yeah, you have Seinfeld out there, um, Stern, Alec Baldwin, my friend-

Joe Rogan 6:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 6:48 ... uh, who's there to relax. And by the way, congrats to Alec Baldwin, that just got ruled an accident.

Joe Rogan 6:56 It did?

Tim Dillon 6:57 It did.

Joe Rogan 6:57 When?

Tim Dillon 6:58 Recently.

Joe Rogan 6:59 I thought they said that he had to have pulled the trigger.

Tim Dillon 7:02 He did, accidentally.

Joe Rogan 7:04 (laughs) But he lied when he said he didn't pull the trigger.

Tim Dillon 7:09 People get nervous.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Tarran Butler from Taran Tactical.

Tim Dillon 7:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Oh, what does this say here? "Medical investigator rules Baldwin set shooting an accident." Well, of course, he's not trying to kill that lady in front of-

Tim Dillon 7:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:20 ... everybody. I don't understand why they're saying, but that doesn't mean he wasn't negligible just 'cause it was an accident.

Tim Dillon 7:26 What did the guy from Taran Tactical say?

Joe Rogan 7:28 It's impossible for that gun to shoot. He showed me the gun.

Tim Dillon 7:31 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:31 I have a video of it. I was like, "I don't wanna start trouble-"

Tim Dillon 7:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:33 "... and release this." But in the video, he has the gun, not the actual gun, but the s- same model gun.

Tim Dillon 7:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:40 And he's showing how the action on this works, and he's like, "It's not possible for the hammer to go forward and just accidentally fire." And he, like, cocks it back-

Tim Dillon 7:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:49 ... and shows how it works. He's like, "You have to engage the trigger," and he's, like, showing everybody in this video how it works.

Tim Dillon 7:55 He probably had a g- he, but, the, Alec probably had the gun in his hand and it's just kind of fun to pull the trigger.

Joe Rogan 8:01 (buzzing sound)

Tim Dillon 8:01 Right? I mean, if you have a gun-

Joe Rogan 8:03 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 8:03 ... you go like, "I wonder what this would feel like? I wonder what this would feel like?" And then...

Joe Rogan 8:09 Isn't it fucking wild that Hollywood, in general, is very anti-gun?

Tim Dillon 8:15 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:15 But they promote guns more than any other media on the planet.

Tim Dillon 8:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:20 All their best movies, whether it's The Gray Man, or whether you're watching The Terminal List or Mission: Impossible-

Tim Dillon 8:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:28 ... it's all guns save the day.

Tim Dillon 8:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:30 Guns kill aliens, guns kill werewolves, guns kill everyone.

Tim Dillon 8:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Everyone bad gets killed by guns.

Tim Dillon 8:38 That's right.

Joe Rogan 8:38 But guns are bad and you shouldn't have guns. It's crazy.

Tim Dillon 8:41 Well, it, these are also the same people that live in these 20,000 square foot homes and fly private jets, but talk endlessly about climate change.

Joe Rogan 8:51 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 8:52 Same people. So, it's like, to, to really eng- and I get it. I get it because if they start paying you the kinda money they make to play pretend, if they start paying you that kinda money to play dress up, to, 80 million a year, 40 million a year, you start to go crazy. And when you're, you s- you have, you develop this cognitive dissonance where you see yourself as something completely different than what other people see, and your behavior as something that's completely different. So, they don't view that as hypocrisy, they view it as, like, "Yeah, guns are bad, but we can make them good."

Joe Rogan 9:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 9:39 You see how crazy that sounds?

Joe Rogan 9:41 (laughs) So crazy.

Tim Dillon 9:41 But that's literally the way they think. "Guns are not good, but in our hands, they're great, because we can craft a narrative th- that makes them justified to have." And that woman that lives in her house, who protected herself against an intruder, yeah, that's not mission impossible. So, that's how crazy they are.

Joe Rogan 10:03 And it doesn't seem odd if you think about what they do. They make fake things.

Tim Dillon 10:08 That's right.

Joe Rogan 10:08 So, of course they're fake. They, everything they do is pretend.

Tim Dillon 10:11 And they're all fake people. You know, we've talked about this before on this show. I mean, actors and actresses, for the most part, have never met themselves. They don't know who they are. If they did, they'd probably not be that good at their job. Which is fit, like, every dumb role that I get, that I auditioned for, I've booked none, by the way.

Joe Rogan 10:29 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 10:30 Um, uh, because I'm still just me-

Joe Rogan 10:33 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 10:33 ... trying to be a thing.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 10:36 But I can't r- I'm not good at, th- that good at being, I'm not horrible, but I'm not n- there are pe-

Joe Rogan 10:43 You're not crazy enough to pretend to be someone else and be convincing.

Tim Dillon 10:45 Yeah, it's hard. If you put me in a thing, it's like, "Oh, Tim Dillon is the thing." Even if I pretend to be Meghan McCain, people go, "That's Tim Dill-" Like, it's not-

Joe Rogan 10:52 Right.

Tim Dillon 10:52 None of my imitations are the person, they're all just me.

Joe Rogan 10:55 Rachel Levine.

Tim Dillon 10:56 Rachel Levine, whoever it is. Some people went, "That's Rachel." But-

Joe Rogan 10:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 11:00 ... it's, it's one of those things where s- the actors I know that I'm friends with are usually, like, good-looking, but n- like, they're not distinct looking, and they can fit easily into any of these characters. And they don't really know who they are. So, if somebody tells them, like, "Six-year-olds should get gender reassignment surgery," they go, "Okay." And if they go, "No one should have a gun," they go, "Okay." Like, there's no... They don't have opinions.

Joe Rogan 11:29 Well, it's also that system is set up so that you're always trying to get chosen for things.

Tim Dillon 11:34 That's right.

Joe Rogan 11:34 So, you're always saying the things that you think people wanna hear, and you're always espousing the correct political philosophies-

Tim Dillon 11:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:42 ... and positions on things 'cause y- your whole gig is trying to get people to choose you for something.

Tim Dillon 11:47 That's right.

Joe Rogan 11:48 So, you can't do anything controversial or y- y- y- y- you can't escape those lines.

Tim Dillon 11:52 And, yeah, and we need actors. Here's the thing. You need movies, you need actors, and you need them to be dumb. You need them to be good-looking and dumb, and you need them to just do what they're told because you can't have an actor on set going, "Well, I actually think it would be a nightmare."

Joe Rogan 12:05 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 12:06 And every suggestion that most actors have is, is bad because they're stupid. So, you need them to be exactly kind of what they are. It would just be nice if y- we could just turn down the volume on the politics and everything else, and just kinda let them do what they're...... Good for, which is to, to pretend to be other people, 'cause you need that. You can't have ... You don't wanna see me. You don't want to have the Gray Man with me.

Joe Rogan 12:33 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 12:33 You want Ethan Hawke. You don't want ... What's the thing on Stranger Things? I can't play all of the kids on Stranger Things. It would be odd. People wouldn't like it. You can't do, like, a young adult Twilight with me in it. So, they need to exist, but they just can't talk about, you know, espionage or whatever they're-

Joe Rogan 12:52 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 12:52 ... talking about. Unless it's about their movie.

Joe Rogan 12:55 The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.

Tim Dillon 12:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Right.

Tim Dillon 12:56 Yeah, I don't need, you know ...

Joe Rogan 12:59 Don't you think that more people are aware of that now than ever? And one of the things is-

Tim Dillon 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:03 ... like, the Johnny Depp trial or-

Tim Dillon 13:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:05 ... Alec Baldwin getting in trouble. We're realizing more and more that these people are insane.

Tim Dillon 13:09 Well, they're crazy, but it's also what happens, I think, when, you know, y- everything is at your fingertips. You've removed most of the struggles that normal people go through and you are just inc- you're incredibly lucky and, and, and privileged. And you, you inhabit this rarefied air that very few people do and you have, like, kinda the time, and you have the ability to go as crazy as you can. And that s- most people maybe don't have the ti- Like, I have friends where I'm like, "Thank God you have w- work. Thank God you have a job. Thank God you have a family. And thank God you don't have a lot of money, because you don't need to have the freedom to be the full version of yourself."

Joe Rogan 13:56 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 13:56 Like, that, that can be a little bit of a problem.

Joe Rogan 13:58 Is this an intervention?

Tim Dillon 14:00 No, no, no.

Joe Rogan 14:01 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:02 I think you're kinda poor, to be honest.

Joe Rogan 14:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:04 I've spent time in the Hamptons. No one thinks you have a lot of money there. Um, it, they think you have, like, cute money. It's like podcast money is, like, cute, but these people own third world countries, so-

Joe Rogan 14:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:16 No, I'm, I'm here to help you.

Joe Rogan 14:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 14:17 I think you're struggling. I think you're, you know ... I mean, it's, you know ...

Joe Rogan 14:21 But it is a hypocrisy talking about that, you know?

Tim Dillon 14:24 Yes. You, you are now the wealthiest comedian, really other than Seinfeld, that's ever lived.

Joe Rogan 14:31 (inhales deeply)

Tim Dillon 14:31 That's, that's pretty much the truth.

Joe Rogan 14:33 I think Kevin Hart has more money than me.

Tim Dillon 14:35 That might be true.

Joe Rogan 14:36 Yeah, I think he does.

Tim Dillon 14:37 But he won't. Would ... You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 14:40 He can't?

Tim Dillon 14:40 You've-

Joe Rogan 14:40 What?

Tim Dillon 14:41 You're, you're gonna ... You, you leave the planet a billionaire. I think so. I think so. If you would listen to me-

Joe Rogan 14:50 What do I have to do?

Tim Dillon 14:51 Well, if you get into the weed game, you're a billionaire in a week.

Joe Rogan 14:56 I'm getting in the weed game, then.

Tim Dillon 14:57 I'm telling you, like, you just ... With a few good decisions, with a few good decisions-

Joe Rogan 15:03 Right.

Tim Dillon 15:04 You're ... I mean, you're, you've, you're ... You got a B. You're gonna get a billion.

Joe Rogan 15:07 Ooh.

Tim Dillon 15:07 And Kevin could too, but you're, you're up there and it's w- it's wild to see, you know?

Joe Rogan 15:13 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 15:13 It's g- And you deserve it, but, you know, I'm horribly jealous.

Joe Rogan 15:18 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 15:20 And ev- every minute I say, "It should be me."

Joe Rogan 15:23 (laughs) "It should be me."

Tim Dillon 15:24 Like, every minute. I tell Ben, I go, "It should be me."

Joe Rogan 15:27 Well, you're already on a fucking pretty-

Tim Dillon 15:29 Oh, Patreon?

Joe Rogan 15:30 ... stratospheric ride.

Tim Dillon 15:31 That's nothing. That's embarrassing, but you're on the way up.

Joe Rogan 15:34 Yeah, but you're on the way up.

Tim Dillon 15:34 Well, that's very nice of you to say.

Joe Rogan 15:35 Yeah, it's ... This is just the beginning. I mean, if you go back onto my podcast 10 years ago, I wasn't making any money.

Tim Dillon 15:40 Well, i- what's weird right now is that, like ... It is weird. We were just talking about, like ... Society is w- weird in the sense that there is a lot of money and then there's a lot of problems, and we're learning that money doesn't fix all the problems. This is something interesting.

Joe Rogan 15:58 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 15:58 You can throw money at things and it's not fixed, right?

Joe Rogan 16:00 Sometimes it creates problems.

Tim Dillon 16:01 Sometimes it creates problems. And then you're at a very interesting place where you go, "Well, California's got a $21 billion surplus." And you go, "You should be able to just fic- fix it." Homelessness, whatever.

Joe Rogan 16:14 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 16:14 $21 billion, more than you thought you would have. But, you realize that human beings gum that system up a lot and you go, "Oh, it's not as easy as we think to just fix something with money." You know?

Joe Rogan 16:27 How does California ever get fixed? 'Cause when we were just talking about it in the lobby about-

Tim Dillon 16:31 Yeah. It has the most stunning natural beauty of any state. It has so many things that are positive, but then there are so many problems, and those problems seem insurmountable.

Joe Rogan 16:46 Now.

Tim Dillon 16:46 Now.

Joe Rogan 16:47 But they didn't three, four years ago.

Tim Dillon 16:48 That's right.

Joe Rogan 16:49 That's what's crazy. Remember in 2018-

Tim Dillon 16:51 Like, remember in ... In-

Joe Rogan 16:51 ... it seemed like LA was a great place to be.

Tim Dillon 16:53 In-

Joe Rogan 16:53 Just a lot of traffic, but pretty fucking fun.

Tim Dillon 16:56 That's right. In New York, there ... In the early '90s, a Rockette was stabbed in the back in Central Park. One of the people who does the Radio City Christmas Show, and it was on the cover of the New York Post and The Times, all these places. And it was this watershed moment where people in New York City were like, "Fuck, we have a problem." This is a ... It was a horrifying image, very visceral image, of the criminal element that was running the city. People were getting stabbed and shot and murdered, junkies everywhere, and then people ... And that was what led to Giuliani, and then Giuliani really did clean up New York. Uh, you know, he's lost his mind a little bit now, but he absolutely cleaned up New York and he, he stopped people from loitering and doing all these things. People do not want to hear that. It wasn't only Giuliani. Other things happened. Disney kinda came in to Times Square. There was a lot of corporate pressure as well to make things safe, but you don't have a figure like that in California. Rick Caruso potentially. I mean, he's running. But the problem is you have an LA City Council where they're crazy, and they can kinda stop what the mayor f- from doing. And, um, you know, y- you need to outlaw camping. You need to outlaw it. You need to figure out another way. You cannot have people live on the street. You have to figure out a way to house these people, and it's very difficult. Um, the problem with California is New York is, is, is smaller and people's decisions affect other people's lives more. And California, Pasadena has nothing to do with Manhattan Beach, which has nothing to do with Thousand Oaks, which has nothing to do with West Hollywood, so everybody's kind of in their own little spot. And if they're not immediately affected by it, they just go, "Huh-"... so New York, you do have that idea of this is an organism, it's a city. We're all on the subway. We're all, you know, affected. So people, I think, are more likely to invest themselves in having certain outcomes in New York.

Joe Rogan 18:54 The only thing, it's a different time too, because in the '90s, when you go back to the '90s when Giuliani took over in New York, there was no social media. So-

Tim Dillon 19:03 That's right.

Joe Rogan 19:03 ... there, there wasn't the, these rigid ideologies that people have carved into their skin.

Tim Dillon 19:09 Yes. I think there was no social media, and I think people, you know, were not as coarsened as they are now with the idea... You know, people have become very cynical now, which I get. I'm one of them. And they tend to look at all political solutions as inherently fallible, that they won't work, because politicians have proven again and again to fail, uh, all the time. And you just end up being very cynical about it. And even, you know, guys that have good ideas and say the right things, you go, "Yeah, but you're a politician, so... But your, your, your nature as a human being is to tell me something I would like to hear." And then we see the big me- even Trump, you know, who came in and said, "I wanna do this, that, and the other thing." There are all these forces that keep Trump from doing these things, whether you agree with them or not. It's not as e- you can't just wave a wand-

Joe Rogan 19:59 Right.

Tim Dillon 20:00 ... and make things happen. There's this, this, this corrupt system that has gone on forever, and, you know, the answer to that is, you know, who knows? 'Cause you don't wanna put a dictator in, you don't want a guy with absolute power, but you also look at the system we have now as this weird, you know, closed doors, behind the scenes, where everybody's out for themself. And you go, how do you get anything done?

Joe Rogan 20:25 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 20:25 How does anything get done? When we have congress people engaging in insider trading, or out there-

Joe Rogan 20:31 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Tim Dillon 20:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:32 W- who's doing that?

Tim Dillon 20:33 Pelosi.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Really?

Tim Dillon 20:34 Nancy Pelosi and her husband.

Joe Rogan 20:35 Are you sure?

Tim Dillon 20:37 I would guess. If I had to guess, I would say, they are taking information and weaponizing it and using it to enrich themselves.

Joe Rogan 20:45 How is that not illegal? Hey, can you turn the-

Tim Dillon 20:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:47 ... AC up? It's a little warm in here, Jamie. Crank it up a little bit. H- I mean, I, I just don't understand how that's not illegal. I just, I d- I ve- really can't imag-... Did (laughs) you just see-

Tim Dillon 20:56 And they make the laws-

Joe Rogan 20:57 ... the way they ask Nancy Pelosi about it?

Tim Dillon 20:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:58 And she's like, "No, not at all."

Tim Dillon 21:00 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:00 (laughs) And just puts the microphone down.

Tim Dillon 21:02 Well, this is-

Joe Rogan 21:02 "Okay, bye."

Tim Dillon 21:03 Part of the reason why somebody like her might wanna stay in office forever-

Joe Rogan 21:07 Hm.

Tim Dillon 21:07 ... is because if, if she gets out, they might start looking into stuff.

Joe Rogan 21:10 Yeah, then they come for her.

Tim Dillon 21:11 Right?

Joe Rogan 21:12 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 21:12 So it might be i- maybe you go, "Why are they... Why is this old..." 'Cause she's an old dinosaur.

Joe Rogan 21:16 Yeah, 81 years old.

Tim Dillon 21:16 She's a pterodactyl.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 21:18 And you go, "Why is she in there?" And you go, "Well, part of her being in there might be a way to insulate herself from people looking into things and going, 'What the fuck's going on?'"

Joe Rogan 21:27 Yeah, the husband just dumped five million into NVIDIA right before they put out, uh, their, they decided to, uh, m- m- do something with chips. They started to do something with, uh, semiconductor chips in the United States.

Tim Dillon 21:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 21:40 So right after they, right before they passed this, he goes and spends five million on NVIDIA stock.

Tim Dillon 21:45 And those are the Democrats, those are supposed to be the people that are for the working class.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 21:49 Which is, like, funny.

Joe Rogan 21:50 What's weird about that-

Tim Dillon 21:51 And they're so old.

Joe Rogan 21:52 ... he sold it right before too, which is a very strange thing to happen. I don't understand that part. What do you mean? He sold it when it was down and then bought more?

Jamie Vernon 21:58 He bought it and then, like, a week, it seems like a week or two after everyone started making a note of it, they sold it, and they said, like, he sold it at a loss.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Oh, he probably had to cover his ass.

Jamie Vernon 22:08 See, right here, it says he sold it at a loss.

Joe Rogan 22:09 Wow. He sold it to avoid any misinformation. Click on that. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 22:14 That was an aw- that was an awkward dinner.

Joe Rogan 22:16 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 22:18 Yeah, she's like, "Get it out, dump it."

Joe Rogan 22:20 Oh, that is-

Tim Dillon 22:21 Can you imagine her just going, "Dump it. Dump it."

Joe Rogan 22:24 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 22:24 "What did you do, Paul?" "Dump it." "I told you to do it under another name."

Joe Rogan 22:29 Oh my God, that's amazing that he would blow five million, at a loss. Wow. Wow, he sold millions worth of stocks in chip maker NVIDIA at a loss the day before the Senate passed a multi-billion dollar bill aimed at part, in part at boosting US chip manufacturing that sent NVIDIA shares surging, a decision in Pelosi's office that is to avoid further misinformation about the couple's investments. Oh my God, that is amaz-... What kind of fucking misinformation would it be when we actually have the information?

Tim Dillon 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 That's what's wild.

Tim Dillon 23:03 It's not misinformation.

Joe Rogan 23:04 They call it... They just call things misinformation.

Tim Dillon 23:06 Yeah, it's information.

Joe Rogan 23:07 Yeah, it's actual, real information.

Tim Dillon 23:10 Yeah. So this is the problem, you know? It's like, how do you, when a country has reached this point where these are the actors, and they're bad actors and we know that, and this is all, this is only what we know about, you imag-...

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:24 You know? The next inevitable step, which again, I don't think is good, is a dictatorship.

Joe Rogan 23:29 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 23:29 Is somebody who comes in and executes all these people and goes, "I'm now the..." And, you know? Which is not good, but that does seem to be the next inevitable step.

Joe Rogan 23:42 They're gonna do that through a method where it doesn't look like a dictatorship-

Tim Dillon 23:46 Sure.

Joe Rogan 23:46 ... like a social credit score system that's attached-

Tim Dillon 23:49 Sure.

Joe Rogan 23:49 ... to-

Tim Dillon 23:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:49 ... a centralized digital currency.

Tim Dillon 23:51 That's right.

Joe Rogan 23:51 Didn't you see Maxine Waters the other day talking about a digital currency-

Tim Dillon 23:54 That's right.

Joe Rogan 23:55 ... that they can compete with China?

Tim Dillon 23:55 They can delete you. They wanna delete.

Joe Rogan 23:57 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 23:57 They've always wanted to delete you. Like I used to, you know, a couple weeks ago I was getting 100,000 s- views on an Instagram story, now I'm getting 30. I don't know what happened, but they just shut something off, they can just shut things off.

Joe Rogan 24:08 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 24:08 You notice these weird-

Joe Rogan 24:10 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 24:10 ... things that they do, and you notice it on YouTube, it... So they wanna be ab-... And eventually, they wanna fuck with your money. They wanna fuck with your money because that's the heart and soul of what they can do. So that centralized currency or whatever it is, they will just enforce compliance by the, by the terrifying reality that they can take it all from you immediately.

Joe Rogan 24:32 And there's gotta be some... Well, we know there's coordination between Twitter and the White House.

Tim Dillon 24:37 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:38 Is that Alex Berenson case? Do you know what's going on with that?

Tim Dillon 24:41 I know Alex Berenson. I know that he-

Joe Rogan 24:42 He got...

Tim Dillon 24:42 ... he was deleted from Twitter, right? That-

Joe Rogan 24:44 And he got back on. He won in court.

Tim Dillon 24:46 Oh, interesting.

Joe Rogan 24:46 He's back on Twitter. Not only that, but now he wants to sue the White House 'cause he has documents that show that the White House directly contacted Twitter-... about the things that he was proven to be correct about-

Tim Dillon 24:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 24:57 ... which is why he was let back on Twitter.

Tim Dillon 24:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:59 But they were saying, "What are you doing about Alex Berenson?" The White House directly contacted Twitter-

Tim Dillon 25:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:04 ... asking what they're doing about Alex Berenson.

Tim Dillon 25:06 Well, I remember with you, uh, that they said something about you too.

Joe Rogan 25:10 Yeah, that the government needs to do more.

Tim Dillon 25:11 The government needs to do more.

Joe Rogan 25:13 You know, Jen Psaki. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 25:13 Jen Psaki. Jen Psaki, the government should do more.

Joe Rogan 25:14 Or that, that Spotify should do more.

Tim Dillon 25:16 So they, you know, they-

Joe Rogan 25:18 (clears throat)

Tim Dillon 25:18 ... they believe that these are their shock troops that can take people off that they don't like.

Joe Rogan 25:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 25:25 And then the people on the far left, I think, are also waking up because they, you know, are starting to realize that journalists like Chris Hedges, who is a, a war correspondent, who's a, you know, a, a, a socialist writer and a brilliant writer, his, a lot of his stuff was taken off 'cause it happened to be on RT. And they took all... You know, Chris Hedges' show On Contact, it had all of these hours and hours of him conducting interviews with people.

Joe Rogan 25:46 Abby Martin's entire-

Tim Dillon 25:48 Abby Martin.

Joe Rogan 25:48 Her entire library was removed-

Tim Dillon 25:50 Entire library.

Joe Rogan 25:50 ... because it's on RT.

Tim Dillon 25:51 So I think people even... You know, it's not necessarily ideology. It's if y- are you a critic of the current regime? Are you a critic of the current... The way that the empire is manifesting itself, however it is, are you a critic of that? And if you are, how do we deal with you?

Joe Rogan 26:10 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 26:10 How do we deal with you? And we'll, we'll take the social media and then eventually, we'll, we'll take the money. I mean, that's probably what ends up happening.

Joe Rogan 26:19 What do you think they're gonna do to you?

Tim Dillon 26:21 (laughs) (smacks lips) I don't know. If I stay where I am right now, like if I don't get to your level, which is gonna be... I don't think I will get to your level. Um, I, if I stay where I am right now, probably nothing. If I get bigger, I don't know. They might shut me off or they might try to, like... You know they demonetize a lot of m- our stuff?

Joe Rogan 26:40 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 26:41 Thank God for awesome companies like Patreon (knocks on wood) that knock on wood-

Joe Rogan 26:45 You know Substack is doing that now. (clears throat) Substack has got podcasts now. They did-

Tim Dillon 26:50 I know. They had a meeting with me. They have no money.

Joe Rogan 26:52 Really?

Tim Dillon 26:52 Yeah, they have no money.

Joe Rogan 26:53 Oh.

Tim Dillon 26:53 I'm not moving from Patreon to Substack for no money. Why would I do that?

Joe Rogan 26:56 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 26:57 It's insane. They had a meeting with me and they're like, "Yeah, we, we want you to, uh, well, come over 'cause you like it." I'm like, "Are you on crack?"

Joe Rogan 27:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:05 I know you had one of them here and they're, like, nice enough people, but-

Joe Rogan 27:08 Great guy.

Tim Dillon 27:09 Yeah, great.

Joe Rogan 27:09 Great ethics.

Tim Dillon 27:10 Good. G- they have him... You, you... What if Spotify came to you and instead of 100 million, they said, "D- don't you like it? Don't you wanna come over 'cause you like it?" It's like, "No, get the fucking-"

Joe Rogan 27:20 They tried that first.

Tim Dillon 27:20 "... checkbook out, you cheap fucks."

Joe Rogan 27:23 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:23 What are you, what are we talking about?

Joe Rogan 27:25 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 27:25 We're wasting our goddamn time. So, and yeah, I like Substack and good for them. Um, but, uh, yeah, I don't n- I, I don't know. I mean, we're all... Every day, I go... I try to make good moves with money 'cause I go, "You know, we're all living at the whims of an algorithm we don't understand."

Joe Rogan 27:43 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 27:43 And we have no idea who the fuck these people are. Good for Netflix. I just put a, a special out on Netflix, um, that's called-

Joe Rogan 27:50 Your new material is fucking fantastic.

Tim Dillon 27:52 Well, thank you. It, it-

Joe Rogan 27:53 Really good stuff.

Tim Dillon 27:53 ... the Netflix is called The Jews Started AIDS. A-

Joe Rogan 27:56 Is that real?

Tim Dillon 27:56 Yeah, it's the special. It's called The Jews Started AIDS.

Joe Rogan 27:57 But is that a true fact?

Tim Dillon 27:58 I ne- It is. And Netflix has not given me any notes on it. They actually (coughing) said thank you for doing this.

Joe Rogan 28:05 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 28:05 No, um, Ted Sarandos called me personally and was s- like, "Thanks." No, it's a joke, but the new special I put out, we say retard and dyke and faggot-

Joe Rogan 28:13 What?

Tim Dillon 28:13 ... and we do jokes about the vaccine. And they didn't give us any notes and they just said, "Oh, you're a big idiot and you're a comedian and you can say whatever you want." So that's good. That's a nice thing. And no one really online got too mad about it. One guy wrote, 'cause I made fun of fast food workers. He's like, "They don't own the companies." And I'm like, "Thanks. Thanks, guy." But, you know, but nobody was that mad. I think, I think everyone's g- we're getting to the point now where things are people just trying to have fun again.

Joe Rogan 28:42 We were just having that conversation with Louie-

Tim Dillon 28:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:44 ... where it's like you could see... He's s- the- the saying the green grass is coming through the snow. Like-

Tim Dillon 28:49 Yes, all the cool kids now are un- unwoke. Ma- some of them are going back to Christianity because it's the only way to be rebellious.

Joe Rogan 28:59 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 28:59 Because e- you know, everybody's blue-haired, non-binary, talking about piss orgies-

Joe Rogan 29:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 29:04 ... and that's, like, it's the cover of Newsweek, so you, you have to be, like, a Catholic Opus Dei, you know, like, doing, saying the rosary to be, uh, a fucking problem now.

Joe Rogan 29:16 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 29:16 Like, you used to be able to just dye your hair and get a tattoo and a nose ring. Now that's like, "Oh, what? Are you running for Congress?" So now the other side of it is a lot of people are kinda going... Which is, there's elements of that that are good and there's elements of that that are not great probably, but, you know, that's what young kids are doing now 'cause they're like, "Fuck this shit." They're like, "We..." They've realized at how empty this current world is that we've created, spiritually, for people-

Joe Rogan 29:44 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 29:44 ... 'cause it is empty.

Joe Rogan 29:45 It is empty.

Tim Dillon 29:45 It's just very empty. It's about money and profit and everything has no history or tradition or there's no... There, nobody... E- everything's so disorienting, things happen so quickly that the pace of change is, like, making people go, "What the fuck?" And people need to situate themselves in the universe and they don't know how to do it. And they're going, "Dude, I'm... Like, this rock is spinning and I don't know what's going on." And e- every day, there's a new edict about what you can say, what's real and what's not, and people are going back to things that root them, and one of them is religion. And I think religion has a lot of positives. I mean, there's some negatives, but I think r- religion has positives, for sure.

Joe Rogan 30:27 It's definitely a good moral scaffolding for a lot of people.

Tim Dillon 30:29 You need something to ground you, make you humble, make you realize that you are living, uh, for a finite amount of time on Earth. You should treat people with respect. There's c- a code is good, to have a moral code. I'm not saying what yours should be or not. But just the constant stuffing money down your throat, having tons of meaningless sex, you know, constantly obsessing over material things, these are probably a...... ultimately spiritually empty things.

Joe Rogan 31:01 Definitely.

Tim Dillon 31:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 31:02 I'm starting a church, by the way.

Joe Rogan 31:04 That's the only way to get out of this. We need a new church.

Tim Dillon 31:06 We need a new church, and me and Caitlyn Jenner are starting a church. It, uh, it's for progressive rich people-

Joe Rogan 31:13 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 31:13 ... that are also racist.

Joe Rogan 31:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 31:16 It's important to have a, a religion that recognizes, as a gay person who doesn't really... You know, gays are fine, and Caitlyn doesn't really like trans people. So, we are the figureheads of the church, and we are ministering mainly to rich heterosexuals.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Do you get heat from the gay population?

Narrator 31:34 (clapping)

Tim Dillon 31:34 The, the gay people get upset at you?

Joe Rogan 31:35 No, they don't really care that much. I mean, they would if they knew more about me.

Tim Dillon 31:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:41 But they're just, they're in their own world. Everyone's in their own world now.

Tim Dillon 31:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:45 So if you're in my little podcast world, you're in that. If you're in a other world, if you watch SNL, it's a different world. We're on a different planet. If you watch SNL every week, like, like put it on and go, "Ah!" Like if you're... Then we're on a dif- You don't know, you don't know who I am. And you would hate me if you knew about me, but you don't even know who I am. So everybody's kind of doing their own thing. And if you listen to me every week, or if you watch me and Christina and Tom on the live stream watch people, like, crush penises with stilettos or whatever those sick fucks are watching.

Tim Dillon 32:18 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 32:18 I mean, then yeah, it's just different worlds. What they're doing over there at your mom's house-

Tim Dillon 32:23 It's brilliant.

Joe Rogan 32:23 ... is fucking wild.

Tim Dillon 32:24 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 32:25 It's wild. No one's ever done it before, to have a pay-per-view completely uncensored. I mean, it's like the worst of LiveLeak-

Tim Dillon 32:33 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:33 ... the worst of...

Tim Dillon 32:34 It feels very old school internet.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 32:36 People really pull up videos. It's, it's cringe, it's crazy, it's fun. But they're also brilliantly, really funny.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 32:42 And really good podcasters. Every other thing that probably tried to do something like this or back in the day, you didn't have funny people that were like, they're able to actually put it in the context of a show, and it's great.

Joe Rogan 32:53 But no one's ever done it like that. I mean-

Tim Dillon 32:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:55 ... we had websites before. Like, do you remember The Style Project?

Tim Dillon 32:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:58 The Style Project was fucking awesome.

Tim Dillon 33:00 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:00 That was the place for you to go to see the most-

Tim Dillon 33:02 Fucked up shit.

Joe Rogan 33:03 ... disturbing, fucked up parts of the world.

Tim Dillon 33:06 Of the world.

Joe Rogan 33:06 And you'd find them on the internet, and it opened people's eyes to it. But now to have a show like that-

Tim Dillon 33:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:11 ... with comedians and guests, like...

Tim Dillon 33:13 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:14 I almost threw up-

Tim Dillon 33:15 Great.

Joe Rogan 33:15 ... three or four times when I was there.

Tim Dillon 33:16 Your stomach... You know, you try to... The first couple of videos you watch, you try to go like, "I'm gonna be tough."

Joe Rogan 33:22 Ugh.

Tim Dillon 33:22 And then, like, you get to a point where it's like your body has these reactions independent of your mind.

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 33:28 Like your stomach starts, you start to feel something and you go, "Ooh."

Joe Rogan 33:32 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 33:32 "In my stomach." Like, they played a video last night of a woman's stiletto heel, like, crushing a guy's penis through a, a hole in the floor. And it was really tough.

Joe Rogan 33:45 I don't know-

Tim Dillon 33:46 It's, there's still a week and a half to, uh, (laughs) to watch it.

Joe Rogan 33:48 To buy it, yeah. I just don't understand why they enjoy that so much. They enjoy it so much. The glee in Tom and Christina's faces when people are watching it.

Tim Dillon 33:55 Yeah. Well, they're sick. You know? But it's, it, they're, you know. You can't watch stuff like that and not be a little sick. But, you know, they're comics, they have problems.

Joe Rogan 34:04 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 34:04 You know? I mean, that's, I mean, you know. But it's, it's a great show. It's a fun show.

Joe Rogan 34:08 No, it's great. I'm glad they're out here too.

Tim Dillon 34:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:11 They have a, an incredible studio, isn't it?

Tim Dillon 34:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:14 Isn't it amazing the way it's set up?

Tim Dillon 34:14 When do they ban abortion here? Do you know?

Joe Rogan 34:17 I think it's-

Tim Dillon 34:17 Is it coming?

Joe Rogan 34:18 ... already six weeks, which is basically a ban.

Tim Dillon 34:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:21 You know, six weeks is a ban.

Tim Dillon 34:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:22 Because if you miss your period and it's only two weeks later than that, and-

Tim Dillon 34:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 34:26 ... now you can't get an abortion, that's basically banned.

Tim Dillon 34:28 Interesting. So it's six weeks.

Joe Rogan 34:30 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:31 You know, all these issues, the UK seems to have a decent...

Joe Rogan 34:34 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:35 The UK, th- they don't do the late term. It's like-

Joe Rogan 34:38 Right.

Tim Dillon 34:38 ... there's like three months. Like, traveling outside of America, there's just a lot of things we could learn from other countries.

Joe Rogan 34:43 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:43 Where we don't have to be insane all the time about everything. Everything doesn't have to be this incredibly polarizing issue.

Joe Rogan 34:50 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 34:51 Like, there can be things where it goes... Yeah, I think, I think Germany and England, they have like a law where it's like, yeah, within a certain amount of time, you can have an abortion.

Joe Rogan 35:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:00 After that, you know-

Joe Rogan 35:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 35:03 You can't.

Joe Rogan 35:03 That is, that's the reasonable perspective.

Tim Dillon 35:06 Yeah. Like there's this, there's gotta be a, a, like a little bit of a com- But there's no value in compromise.

Joe Rogan 35:11 The reasonable perspective is always cases of rape, cases of incest, children.

Tim Dillon 35:15 Sure.

Joe Rogan 35:15 All those things.

Tim Dillon 35:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:16 That's the reason... And, and then time. Like, how much time?

Tim Dillon 35:19 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:19 At what point in time is that a viable human being?

Tim Dillon 35:22 100%.

Joe Rogan 35:23 You know, 'cause they're getting into these six-month time periods.

Tim Dillon 35:26 No, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:27 You know, we talked about, um, this thing on the podcast the other day where there was an article, uh, that was talking about how people got arrested for an abortion because of Facebook messages.

Tim Dillon 35:37 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:38 But then we looked into it, and it's-

Tim Dillon 35:39 It was fake.

Joe Rogan 35:39 ... it's way worse than that.

Tim Dillon 35:41 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 35:41 It was, uh, a, a young girl, and her mother got her the abortion pill online. She took the pill, had a stillborn baby, and then they buried it, and apparently there was thermal damage to the baby.

Tim Dillon 35:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 35:56 Which indicates they tried to burn it, and then they apparently... Did they rebury it? Is that what happened?

36:03 Yeah, I'm gonna look it up.

Tim Dillon 36:04 And what state is this?

Joe Rogan 36:05 I'm not sure what state. But when people wrote the article, the article was people are getting arrested for an abortion because of Facebook messages. And you're like, "Oh my God, this is Big Brother." But then you look at the actual story, and it's way more horrific. It's like-

Tim Dillon 36:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:20 ... you know. I mean, it was six months into the pregnancy. She takes these pills.

Tim Dillon 36:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:25 It's stillborn. Has, you know, the abortion, then buries the baby, and apparently burned it. Which is... Yeah, that's not good.

Tim Dillon 36:38 It's not good.

Joe Rogan 36:39 Yeah. This is not... I mean, you're clearly, you feel like you did something wrong and you're trying to cover it up.

Tim Dillon 36:45 It's, it's... Yeah. Well, the, these are the issues that there's, you know-... that's not good.

Joe Rogan 36:51 No.

Tim Dillon 36:51 There, there has to be some type of-

Joe Rogan 36:54 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 36:54 ... you know-

Joe Rogan 36:55 But it d- it, it's-

Tim Dillon 36:55 ... standard.

Joe Rogan 36:56 A certain point. It's like when are you allowed to take that pill? Are you allowed to take the abortion pill four weeks in?

Tim Dillon 37:02 Well, six months, that's a fully functioning-

Joe Rogan 37:04 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:04 That's a baby-

Joe Rogan 37:05 Yes.

Tim Dillon 37:05 ... that could be born and have a life outside of the womb.

Joe Rogan 37:07 And they do all the time.

Tim Dillon 37:08 Yeah, so that to me seems crazy. And I feel like to most people, that seems cray. I don't think anybody... This is the thing. It's like, the vast majority of people that aren't on Twitter and that aren't participat- that are not making money off being inflammatory or whatever, they have... Like, if you go to people and you go, "Hey, should somebody have a, an abortion at six months?" They go, "No." They go, "No." If you go to them and go, "Hey, should somebody who's six years old be able to permanently alter their gender?" They go, "No." This is the vast major- The issue we have (laughs) is that none of those people have any representation in the government. And really, they're losing it in the media too.

Joe Rogan 37:48 Yeah, the only media that supports that sort of reasonable perspective is right-wing m- media, and they go all the way to the point of conception.

Tim Dillon 37:54 And they go all the way to the right, where they go-

Joe Rogan 37:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 37:56 ... "No abortions, ban gay marriage," this, that, and the other thing, "No contraception."

Joe Rogan 38:00 Right.

Tim Dillon 38:01 And so reasonable people that are in the middle, which Kansas just voted to keep abortion, and Kansas is not-

Joe Rogan 38:06 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 38:06 ... a blue state.

Joe Rogan 38:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 38:08 But Kansas, you know, there's a lot of pe- So, the reality is that, like, this, it's not very sexy and you don't make a lot of money with a reasonable compromise. Nobody wants to hear that.

Joe Rogan 38:19 W-

Tim Dillon 38:19 Nobody gets rich online talking about that. You get rich going, "I'm right, everyone else is wrong."

Joe Rogan 38:24 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 38:25 "Every- All of my opponents and enemies should be destroyed, and I should be the king." People go, "Yay, money, money."

Joe Rogan 38:29 And most people don't know the actual laws.

Tim Dillon 38:32 That's right.

Joe Rogan 38:33 Like, there was, uh, someone, some actress went to France. And she was talking about how great it is to have croissants and women's rights. But they don't realize that even in France, they have, uh, a limit on late-term abortions.

Tim Dillon 38:45 Of course.

Joe Rogan 38:46 They have it, I think it's 24 weeks in France.

Tim Dillon 38:48 This is what I, this is what I mean. There is, there are actual societies that have made peace with these issues.

Joe Rogan 38:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 38:59 They don't continue to plague them. Um, and, but it does require a degree of rational, you know, compromise, where... You know, t- America's an amazing place, but when you, when you leave it for a little bit and you realize how dysfunctional it is, how big it is, how large, how amazingly massive and vast it is, and how hard it is to get anyone on the same page about anything.

Joe Rogan 39:21 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 39:22 'Cause people in Louisian- We were just talking about LA, is people in, you know, the Hollywood Hills and, and people in fucking downtown LA have nothing to do with each other. Well, now imagine people in the, the backwoods of, like, Louisiana and Port- the farthest of Portland, Oregon. I mean, this is such a massive country, so many people to get on the same page about anything. So, you're gonna have these states that are gonna have fights, and then they're gonna make laws. And then certain people move here, and certain people move there. But it, it's such a boring way to live, to me, to be constantly uprooting yourself because of political reasons, you know? To me, it's just you become this person that you don't even know who you are anymore. You're like, "Well, I'm a reaction to that," you know?

Joe Rogan 40:06 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 40:06 And I understand why people do it. 'Cause if I had kids, I don't want them living in a fucking hellscape of, of, uh, LA or whatever that, you know what I mean? I get it. Some people need to live somewhere where they have safety for their family. But it just feels like the lack of uniform standards in this country hurt it a little bit. The idea that everybody is so all over the place hurts it a little bit. There should be certain things we're able to come together on.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Yeah, but then do you think that it's a good thing to have states' rights, where you have different la- I mean, that's, the, the great thing about that is places that have, like, legalized marijuana.

Tim Dillon 40:43 Sure.

Joe Rogan 40:44 You know, there's, there's places that have things that are outside the norm, and-

Tim Dillon 40:47 Yeah, I think states' rights are good. And I don't think everybody... I don't necessarily say it's a one-size-fits-all. But if you look at how profoundly dysfunctional the country is and how it just seems like infighting and everybody's at war all the time about all these things, uh, I feel like some of these fights are things that, for the strength of our overall union, should be decided, and that should be it. Like, you know, I mean, if we're gonna be a strong country that has a unified front in the face of other countries, I think we have to figure certain things out. I don't think you can have 50 places doing everything completely differently. That seems longer... 'Cause then why be a country? And I'm not saying you shouldn't have different regional things, but what is... I'm trying to find the reason we're a country right now.

Joe Rogan 41:41 Yes (laughs) .

Tim Dillon 41:41 Other, you know what I mean? Other than, like, the economic and the military and the fact that it's been a scam for 50 years of, of cheap credit and an economy based on war and blah, blah, blah. But what would keep us a country going forward if we're all just gonna spiral off into our own directions?

Joe Rogan 41:58 Patriotism.

Tim Dillon 41:59 Yeah. You know, sports, Monday Night Football.

Joe Rogan 42:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 42:02 Like, what will keep us... If Texas is, is their own thing, and California... I mean, these, these states are big enough to be their own countries.

Joe Rogan 42:10 For sure, if it was Europe.

Tim Dillon 42:11 So, why... Yeah, so why would it be America in 30 years? And it might not be. I'm, it's just interesting.

Joe Rogan 42:17 Well, the fear is that to compete with other countries that are united, like China-

Tim Dillon 42:20 That's right.

Joe Rogan 42:21 ... we have to become closer to them, and that's what Maxine Waters was saying, which is-

Tim Dillon 42:24 That's right.

Joe Rogan 42:24 ... er, I mean, that's what, that's the thinly veiled-

Tim Dillon 42:27 And I've had, and I've had the journalist, Whitney Webb, on my show. She's g- who has a book out. And she said that a lot of our AI and stuff, a lot of our, our tech people go, "Listen, in order to compete with Chinese technology," which is, a lot of it's surveillance technology, things like that, "we have to have it first. Ours has to be better, and we have to have technological hegemony. And we have to sell it to the world before they sell it to the world, and so we have to become a little bit of a police state too."

Joe Rogan 42:56 I think it woke a lot of peoples' eyes up when the pandemic hit, when we couldn't get things shipped over here-

Tim Dillon 43:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:01 ... how much they make overseas-

Tim Dillon 43:03 Oh, dude, 90-

Joe Rogan 43:03 ... and how, how much we need.

Tim Dillon 43:05 90% of antibiotics-

Joe Rogan 43:06 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 43:07 ... are, like, made in China, something crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:08 Yeah, it's crazy.

Tim Dillon 43:09 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Well, I mean, all of our electronics, the, there is something highly ironic-

Tim Dillon 43:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:15 ... about tweeting about woke politics on a phone that's made by slaves.

Tim Dillon 43:18 Of course.

Joe Rogan 43:19 I mean, it's-

Tim Dillon 43:20 Of course.

Joe Rogan 43:20 It's really, like, the height of it.

Tim Dillon 43:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Because that's the number one distribution method, is through phones.

Tim Dillon 43:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 And, or any kind of electronics. It's th- really the only distribution method for that information.

Tim Dillon 43:30 It seems tough to beat China. And I w- I-

Joe Rogan 43:32 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 43:33 ... really, it would... I don't know that it'll happen. It does seem like they're a tough...... it's gonna be tough.

Joe Rogan 43:38 Well, they're connected. The government-

Tim Dillon 43:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:40 ... and the military is inexorably connected to business.

Tim Dillon 43:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:43 They- You cannot operate without the consent and the approval of the Chinese government.

Tim Dillon 43:48 It's a tough country to be. I, of course, believe in China. I believe in one China. I don't recognize Taiwan. I never have, since a boy, since I'm a young boy.

Joe Rogan 43:55 Do you speak Mandarin?

Tim Dillon 43:56 I speak fluent Mandarin. I will... You know, ever since I was a young child on Long Island, my parents said, "We do not recognize Taiwan in this house." And they go-

Joe Rogan 44:03 They call it Chinese Taipei?

Tim Dillon 44:04 They go... Yeah. They go, "We believe in one China." And they explained it to me, and we had a thing on the wall. Uh, so I- I- That's where I'm at, but Biden, you, and the rest of the cucks can go over there to Taiwan-

Joe Rogan 44:17 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 44:17 ... and do whatever the fuck you want. But no, here's the other thing. It's like, why am I... Why... I- I read a little bit about that. I'm like, "Yeah, of course China thinks Taiwan's part of them." And I'm not trying to start problems, but it's like we're not... I'm not fighting these wars. I'm not going to Ukraine, and I'm not going to Taiwan, so figure it out. We got a million fucking nuclear weapons and we're surrounded by oceans. We should be fine. Enough already. Truly.

Joe Rogan 44:39 But not-

Tim Dillon 44:40 It's my stance.

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... because we have- they have supersonic weapons now and-

Tim Dillon 44:43 Yeah, but so do we. They- We have everything they have.

Joe Rogan 44:45 Do we?

Tim Dillon 44:46 Of course, we do.

Joe Rogan 44:47 Do we 100% have supersonic weapons?

Tim Dillon 44:48 We absolutely have everything they have. Why wouldn't we?

Joe Rogan 44:51 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 44:51 What are we, not as evil? Are we not as smart? Have we not been breeding sociopaths forever? We invented it. We blew everyone a... They've never even used... We're like, "They have supersonic weapons." We're the only ones who've used the fucking weapons. We're the only ones who've really used nukes. So, I'm pretty sure that whatever some monster thought of, we also have. We've also got a lot of shit.

Joe Rogan 45:11 What do we have? Does the US have supersonic weapons?

Tim Dillon 45:12 Well, we won't even know. We don't know what we have.

Joe Rogan 45:14 I think they said they're testing them, right? Haven't they said that?

Tim Dillon 45:18 (laughs)

Jamie Vernon 45:18 I- I- Yes, but we also wouldn't know what the fuck we have.

Joe Rogan 45:22 We don't know what we have.

Tim Dillon 45:22 Right.

Jamie Vernon 45:22 They fucking test.

Joe Rogan 45:23 That's the problem.

Tim Dillon 45:24 Who knows what we have? But w- w- we gotta get on the same page here. You know what I mean? Like, we need to just fucking cut the bullshit. Stop. Just have fucking rules. Stop with the, you can be trans when you're 17.

Joe Rogan 45:42 17?

Tim Dillon 45:43 17, but not fully. You have to do a summer of, like, fake trans, and then 18, as soon as we'll d- If- If- If we can draft you into war, you can go chop yourself, but you're going to war. You know what I mean? Trans people get free operations, but they do two years in the military.

Joe Rogan 46:01 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 46:01 Boom. Done. Done. It's over. Roe v. Wade, you have to have your children, but you have to give the babies. We have to have them. They give- They go right into, like, some... We conscript them into something. They go mine Bitcoin or whatever.

Joe Rogan 46:15 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 46:15 Have to have your baby, we take it now. Property of the state. Fine. Be more responsible. There's ways to do it. We can solve all these problems. Y- Here's the thing with the cops. They- You can't defund them, they have to be there, but you should be able to slap them occasionally. Citizens should be able to slap the police and the police can't do anything back. So there's gotta be ways and rules to fix it, 'cause otherwise we're just gonna have all these problems forever. You know?

Joe Rogan 46:40 But what kind of... Like, in all seriousness-

Tim Dillon 46:43 Yes.

Joe Rogan 46:43 ... what kind of rules could be established that would unite people?

Tim Dillon 46:46 Well, I-

Joe Rogan 46:47 Is it a rule thing or is it a leader thing? Like, if we had a leader that united people.

Tim Dillon 46:50 You need a leader. You need somebody who can say, "Listen, everybody..." 'Cause everybody is both things inside of them, like, whether they know it or not. Like, everybody is a psychopathic Texas gun nut and everybody is a fat, blue-haired dyke in Portland. We all have those two things in us. We all have a crazy meat-in-the-woods Proud Boy and an Antifa fat bitch in us. And we have to make sure that the fusion of those two things is what makes us great. You know? We all have those two things. All of us get mad at corporations and wanna burn them down, but we don't go into the Portland Center and throw eggs at a Starbucks 'cause we're sane. And then all of us get mad when, like, I don't know, like, somebody... Whatever. Like, i- at a fast food place someone of a different race doesn't get our order right. We all get mad, but we don't go into the woods with a burning cross because we have things to do.

Joe Rogan 47:44 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 47:46 So, what we have to realize is that we're Americans, you know? We're deeply selfish monsters that have been bred to destroy all life on Earth. We can't... We have to not lose sight of that message. We're here to fuck things up for everyone else, not each other. And that's what we had in the '80s and the '90s. We had a commitment to apathy while our leaders ran around pillaging the Earth, and we made great movies and great art and it was fine. Yes, people got killed, but people always get killed. But now we're- we're at war with each other. We're- We- We should just be enjoying the spoils of the end of the empire, truly.

Joe Rogan 48:22 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 48:23 We should be enjoying it. People- So many people got killed, murdered, tortured, maimed for us to have all the nice things we have. Do you know how insane it is to not enjoy it? You know how crazy it is to not enjoy a McMansion, a flat screen TV, a McFlurry? You know how big- how much blood is in the street for those things? And people act like they don't even matter and they're fighting about all this bullshit. It's crazy. Anyway, that's the truth. That's the real truth. Nobody wants to hear it, but that is the truth. We have... A lot of these things are nice, but some of them are ill-gotten gains. Fine. You know? Not everybody picking tomatoes is happy about it. But have you ever had a good, like, a nice Jersey thick beefsteak tomato? It's good. Imagine having one and then fighting with someone about something. It's stupid. If there's a hell in the world going, and if there's not, we get reincarnated when we're, uh, beetles or something. But just enjoy it. And nobody wants to enjoy it, and that's what makes me upset, is that we used to have a- a country built on enjoyment, built on fat, stupid people enjoying the work of a small group of demons, and now we can't even enjoy it.

Joe Rogan 49:25 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 49:25 Can't even have fun.

Joe Rogan 49:26 (laughs) Do you know what I think unites us?

Tim Dillon 49:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:30 Aliens.

Tim Dillon 49:31 That's interesting. See, you- This is your thing, and no one- no one cares about aliens, but they should.

Joe Rogan 49:35 Yeah, I think-

Tim Dillon 49:36 Some people do.

Joe Rogan 49:37 I think that's what unites us. I think if they come-

Tim Dillon 49:40 ... that-

Joe Rogan 49:40 Then we get-

Tim Dillon 49:41 Oh, you're right. You're certainly right about that.

Joe Rogan 49:42 ... united. And then we realize, like, "Oh, my God." Like, we're, we're thinking we're in control.

Tim Dillon 49:48 That's right.

Joe Rogan 49:48 And we are just the shit-throwing monkeys of the universe.

Tim Dillon 49:51 That's right. And if aliens come down here and fuck us all up and put us in line, it could be the best thing in the world for us.

Joe Rogan 49:58 I think they'd come down and shut down all the nukes.

Tim Dillon 50:00 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 50:01 I think, I think that's it. I think they're, like, watching two brothers fight in the yard. Like, they'd just let them sort it out.

Tim Dillon 50:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:07 Let's, don't let them stab each other.

Tim Dillon 50:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:09 Let them sort it out.

Tim Dillon 50:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:10 And then when it gets too much, like, "Okay, break it up."

Tim Dillon 50:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:13 "All right, we need some rules here."

Tim Dillon 50:15 Yeah. We do need someone to come in here and just, just shut us down a little bit.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Do you remember Ronald Reagan said that?

Tim Dillon 50:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 50:22 He r- he said that in, uh, a speech to the United Nations.

Tim Dillon 50:25 He said, "We'll unite in the face of, like, an existential..."

Joe Rogan 50:27 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:27 You know?

Joe Rogan 50:27 Yeah, and then all the alien people went nuts, like, "Oh, my God, he knows something."

Tim Dillon 50:31 Yeah. But, you know, all, all these years and all these disclosures, and we still don't know shit, right?

Joe Rogan 50:35 Why would we?

Tim Dillon 50:36 I know, it's amazing. Like, all these alien disclosures, all this shit.

Joe Rogan 50:39 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:40 And no one knows anything.

Joe Rogan 50:41 What, do you think ants in one of those leafcutter ant colonies have a detailed understanding of-

Tim Dillon 50:46 Yeah, that's a good idea.

Joe Rogan 50:47 ... the way nuclear power works?

Tim Dillon 50:47 That's a good idea. That's true, that's fair.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Yeah, I mean, that's really what it's like.

Tim Dillon 50:51 It's-

Joe Rogan 50:51 I mean, we-

Tim Dillon 50:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:51 We like to think that we're super advanced, but we are, but only compared to other things on Earth.

Tim Dillon 50:56 That's right, because those aliens have probably bred out all the things that bother us.

Joe Rogan 50:59 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 50:59 Like personalities and-

Joe Rogan 51:00 Gender.

Tim Dillon 51:01 ... sex and gender and everything.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Yeah, hormones.

Tim Dillon 51:03 They're probably-

Joe Rogan 51:04 Emotions.

Tim Dillon 51:04 So maybe, maybe this is, like, we're just in this sloppy stage of truly becoming those higher-level people, beings.

Joe Rogan 51:10 I think that's what's happening. I think that's part of what our obs- obsession with gender and gender-neutral and genderless-

Tim Dillon 51:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:15 ... is going, uh, like, we're, we're gonna be genderless.

Tim Dillon 51:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:17 All it's gonna take is something that they can do, uh, technologically that replaces all the things you get from biological f- love and fear-

Tim Dillon 51:26 That's right.

Joe Rogan 51:27 ... and emotions.

Tim Dillon 51:28 But isn't it good to know-

Joe Rogan 51:29 And need.

Tim Dillon 51:29 ... that we lived in the best times-

Joe Rogan 51:30 Oh, yeah. We lived in the wildest times.

Tim Dillon 51:31 ... of America? We had the, the wildest, but we also lived in the best times. Like, in 50 years, it's not gonna be as good.

Joe Rogan 51:36 What year were you born?

Tim Dillon 51:37 1985.

Joe Rogan 51:38 So you were born before the internet?

Tim Dillon 51:40 Good run.

Joe Rogan 51:40 So you-

Tim Dillon 51:41 I remember what it was like.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah. So you remember what it was like pre-internet?

Tim Dillon 51:44 Yes.

Joe Rogan 51:45 I remember what it was like pre-answering machine. I'm 55.

Tim Dillon 51:48 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 51:48 I'm fucking old. I remember everything. I remember pre-call waiting. I remember when you got a beep-beep-

Tim Dillon 51:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 51:53 ... and you realized someone else was calling. You were like, "Holy shit, this is crazy."

Tim Dillon 51:56 Fuck. This is big, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:57 Another person is calling while I'm on the line with a different person.

Tim Dillon 52:00 Yeah. Like-

Joe Rogan 52:01 This is the future.

Tim Dillon 52:02 We've experienced this amazing time, and th- the way the climate and, and everything. Within 30 to 50 years, I mean, it's gonna ... who knows what's gonna happen?

Joe Rogan 52:11 Yeah, the climate thing is interesting, because it's hard to figure out who's accurate. I've talked to people that are ... they're-

Tim Dillon 52:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:19 ... skeptical about forecasts, because they ... And this was the guy ... Was it Steve Kirsh? W- no. What is his ... What was the gentleman's name that did the podcast? That was the, uh, the guy who wrote that book, Unsettled. It's a very good book, 'cause he's a, uh, well, he's a physicist, and he's a very sort of stoic guy who e- explains things from, uh, a poin- You know his name?

52:43 Steven Koonin.

52:44 Koonin, that's right. Steven Koonin. This, this book, Unsettled, I, I recommend it.

Tim Dillon 52:48 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 52:48 It's very, very interesting.

Tim Dillon 52:49 But it's just, it, it, whether human beings are contributing to, uh, the degree that people say they are or not, it's just gonna suck.

Joe Rogan 52:57 I don't know.

Tim Dillon 52:58 Things, things are getting hot. There's droughts. There's all kinds of problems.

Joe Rogan 53:01 Y- I think things are definitely getting hot, and I think-

Tim Dillon 53:03 Things just change.

Joe Rogan 53:04 ... we definitely are com- contributing to that.

Tim Dillon 53:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:06 But it, the question is, how much? And even if we weren't, would it still be happening?

Tim Dillon 53:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:10 And it seems like it has in history.

Tim Dillon 53:11 Sure. Yeah, my point is just, like, you got a great ... We had a nice, real run here of, like, you know, before it gets really bad. W- and it'll last for a few more ... You know, we'll get a couple years out of them.

Joe Rogan 53:22 How many, how bad do you think it's gonna get?

Tim Dillon 53:23 Well, I don't know if the droughts keep going and the extreme heat keeps going. Those aren't good.

Joe Rogan 53:29 No.

Tim Dillon 53:29 The hurricanes and all that stuff. I mean, it just, it seems like-

Joe Rogan 53:32 Yeah, but see, that's what St- Steven Koonin said.

Tim Dillon 53:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:34 It's like, it, those have not increased. In, in fact, they've decreased in power.

Tim Dillon 53:38 Okay.

Joe Rogan 53:38 Like, we have this idea that they're-

Tim Dillon 53:39 That they're-

Joe Rogan 53:40 ... everything is ramping up.

Tim Dillon 53:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:41 And he's like, uh, "That's not true."

Tim Dillon 53:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:42 And if you look at, like, long-term. Like, we're looking at things in terms of our own lifetime.

Tim Dillon 53:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:47 And this, this is not from my perspective. This is his perspective.

Tim Dillon 53:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:50 If you look at a long-term model, like 1,000 years-

Tim Dillon 53:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:53 ... you have this dip that goes up and down-

Tim Dillon 53:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:56 ... regardless of the-

Tim Dillon 53:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:58 You know, the-

Tim Dillon 53:58 'Cause we don't zoom out enough.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 54:00 That's v- it's very possible. It's v- it's probably true. It just does seem like with more and more people, even if the climate stays relatively consistent, just the amount of people.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 54:11 Things are just gonna get worse.

Joe Rogan 54:12 Well, the amount of people is interesting, but in places where it's urbanized, the birth rate is dropping.

Tim Dillon 54:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:19 And, and that's what Elon's worried about. That's his excuse for having 90 kids.

Tim Dillon 54:23 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 54:24 He thinks people need to have more people.

Tim Dillon 54:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Which is interesting.

Tim Dillon 54:27 And I'm not even an anti-people person. I just mean, like, there is an inevitability to things becoming unmanageable.

Joe Rogan 54:34 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 54:34 It does seem like that, and it just seems like that. And I don't know if that's true or not, but it feels like it does.

Joe Rogan 54:40 Well-

Tim Dillon 54:41 It feels like it is. Everyone's living in their own realities, and everybody ... It just feels like we're heading towards problems.

Joe Rogan 54:49 Well, when you get big numbers, things become harder to manage, right?

Tim Dillon 54:51 It's harder.

Joe Rogan 54:52 And that's one of the reasons why Austin cleaned up its homeless population so easy.

Tim Dillon 54:55 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:55 'Cause we only have a million people. There was only-

Tim Dillon 54:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 54:57 ... 2,000 homeless people.

Tim Dillon 54:58 Not a lot, right.

Joe Rogan 54:58 So they took them, they put them in shelters, they put them-

Tim Dillon 55:00 That's right.

Joe Rogan 55:01 ... in hotels, they b- they did a good job. They took-

Tim Dillon 55:03 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:03 They took the tents away.

Tim Dillon 55:04 That's right.

Joe Rogan 55:04 It's one of the few cities where you go, where you don't see any tents. You see one or two, and they always clean 'em up.

Tim Dillon 55:09 There's no tents.

Joe Rogan 55:09 They clean 'em up.

Tim Dillon 55:09 Yeah, there's no tents here anymore.

Joe Rogan 55:11 But it was bad for a while.

Tim Dillon 55:11 There's still some vagrants.

Joe Rogan 55:13 Oh, yeah, there's still vagrants.

Tim Dillon 55:14 Still some vagrants, yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:14 You can't keep people from wandering around the street, and they definitely need more mental health care, and they definitely-

Tim Dillon 55:19 Sure.

Joe Rogan 55:19 ... need more people that can take care of these folks and help them out.

Tim Dillon 55:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:23 But that's the problem. The problem-

Tim Dillon 55:24 Beverly Hills does a great job of it.

Joe Rogan 55:26 They do.

Tim Dillon 55:26 Beverly Hills does a great job.

Joe Rogan 55:27 Yeah. Well, they also, you know, they have a lot of fucking money.

Tim Dillon 55:30 Well, listen.

Joe Rogan 55:32 And it goes other places.

Tim Dillon 55:32 If Jamal Khashoggi had to get it...... so that I can enjoy a nice walk to get coffee in the morning? It is what it is.

Joe Rogan 55:39 (laughs) Did you see they fucking arrested that woman who's a PhD student for retweeting and following-

Tim Dillon 55:44 Well, keep, stop tweeting!

Joe Rogan 55:45 ... activists, yeah.

Tim Dillon 55:46 Stop tweeting!

Joe Rogan 55:47 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 55:47 What is wrong with you? How many times have I told these people, "Get off Twitter"?

Joe Rogan 55:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 55:51 It's nice, they, I live in, in, in a, a nice part of Beverly Hills where, and I go back and forth, I, I live here too, but I have this lovely... The Kingdom of Saud runs Beverly Hills, and it's a great culture, and all the men smoke, and all the women are very quiet. And you never have to turn around to a Saudi woman and go, "Keep it down." They're very quiet-

Joe Rogan 56:09 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 56:09 ... and it's nice. And it's really nice. So, I like it and I'm just, I'm a fan of the regime.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Jesus Christ.

Tim Dillon 56:17 I'm a fan of the reg- I don't know Jamal Khashoggi. Was Jamal Khashoggi helping me or no? Um, it's just a really nice, beautiful... Beverly Hills is gorgeous and they don't tolerate shit. And a lot of it's because it's mainly, like, Persian, Jews, and Saudis. That's really what it is.

Joe Rogan 56:33 And a lot of those LIV Golf posters everywhere.

Tim Dillon 56:35 Yeah, LIV Golf. Everyone's like, "Yeah, we're, it's, we're living and we're gonna be golfing."

Joe Rogan 56:39 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 56:39 LIV Golf, fuck the PGA.

Joe Rogan 56:42 (gasps)

Tim Dillon 56:42 Big fan of LIV Golf. Big fan.

Joe Rogan 56:45 You sound like Trump. (laughs)

Tim Dillon 56:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:46 Big fan.

Tim Dillon 56:48 Big fan. But no, I mean-

Joe Rogan 56:49 Make the money.

Tim Dillon 56:49 ... I mean, it's a reality. It's an uncomfortable reality, but the reality is that Beverly Hills looks a hell of a lot better than the rest of LA.

Joe Rogan 56:56 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 56:56 It's a fact.

Joe Rogan 56:57 And you can't really turn the rest of LA into Beverly Hills.

Tim Dillon 57:00 No. There's not m-

Joe Rogan 57:02 Not much you could do.

Tim Dillon 57:02 No, but a lot of that is because the residents of Beverly Hills will not tolerate-

Joe Rogan 57:07 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 57:07 ... what else, what's going on elsewhere. And those residents are not white Americans. It's, that's why the racists are wrong. The racists are, "Oh, it's always white people, white people, white people." They fucking destroyed Seattle. They destroyed Portland. White people do a lot of fucked up shit. Saudis do not. (car passes)

Joe Rogan 57:24 And they do it under the guise of white guilt too.

Tim Dillon 57:25 That's right. They do it under the guise of virtue signaling and white... Saudis did one bad thing, 9/11. And ba- it's bad, but, Mulligan, move on. You know? I'm not-

Joe Rogan 57:36 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 57:36 Let's not fixate on it forever. It was a not nice thing, but there's some really cool movies about it and, uh, s- a couple of my friends who sadly lost their parents got some nice money. So, let's just move on. It's not a big deal. The new Freedom Tower's gorgeous. They didn't do it again. And they probably did it with help from our government. So, hey.

Joe Rogan 57:54 You think?

Tim Dillon 57:56 Ye- y- I mean, there's, there's no way in hell we're being told the truth about that day. Ah, we're not being told the truth. I don't know what w- the truth is, but we are not being told the truth.

Joe Rogan 58:05 But isn't that one of those things where after a horrific disaster, people look for threads of conspiracy?

Tim Dillon 58:12 Yeah, and they're right too.

Joe Rogan 58:13 You think? (laughs)

Tim Dillon 58:14 (laughs) Yeah, that would be correct. That'd be the correct impulse. Well, 'cause they don't happen all the time. So, if they happened all the time, you'd go, "Oh, this is just..." After a rainstorm, you gotta be really crazy to go, "Well, it's the government controlling the fucking weather." But when a president is whacked and they're not whacked all the time, and they're whacked in fucking Dallas, Texas, and pro-Dali-, you know, and, and, you know, yeah. And you're, and they're whacked by a guy who ends up getting whacked? That makes you go, "Oh, that's interesting."

Joe Rogan 58:45 And a guy who travels back and forth freely from-

Tim Dillon 58:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:48 ... the Soviet Union.

Tim Dillon 58:49 You know, when all of American air defenses are outsmarted by a ragtag group of guys who couldn't pass a fucking flight test, does that make you give it a second look? When a p- a p- a plane going into the Pentagon-

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 59:02 ... there's not one video of that plane going into the Pentagon that's ever been released when there's 90 cameras on the fucking Pentagon? There's not one? Except one little weird thing where you go, "Look at that ball of light explode." It's just-

Joe Rogan 59:13 What do you think, you don't think that was a plane that hit the Pentagon?

Tim Dillon 59:15 I have no idea what it wa- wha- there's 90 cameras on the Pentagon. Release one. Release one.

Joe Rogan 59:20 That one video doesn't look like a plane to you?

Tim Dillon 59:22 No.

Joe Rogan 59:23 What does it look like?

Tim Dillon 59:23 Show it, Jamie. Can you show it?

Joe Rogan 59:24 What does it look like?

Tim Dillon 59:25 Get it up, Jamie. This is an old school podcast.

Joe Rogan 59:28 What does it look like?

Tim Dillon 59:30 Um, it's just a, it's just a ball of light. It's weird. Doesn't seem like a plane. Aren't there other, aren't there other cameras that would show the plane?

Joe Rogan 59:39 So here it is.

Tim Dillon 59:40 Here's the plane.

Joe Rogan 59:42 Here we go.

Tim Dillon 59:44 Yeah, can you, d- yeah. Just let's play it again.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Here we go.

Tim Dillon 59:57 It, it's, it, it does not look d-

Joe Rogan 59:58 It ju- instantaneous.

Tim Dillon 1:00:00 It, to me, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 Can I see it again?

Tim Dillon 1:00:01 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 From the very beginning. You don't see it at all.

Tim Dillon 1:00:05 It's weird that that's the only video of this thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 Is this...

Jamie Vernon 1:00:09 That's the only frame you can see something else before the airplane.

Tim Dillon 1:00:11 9/11, there's a million different planes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 That looks like a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:00:14 It, it's, it, you, but you can't tell what kind of plane, you don't know how big it is. You don't, you, all you see is white.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Let me see that again.

Tim Dillon 1:00:23 Unless there's-

Joe Rogan 1:00:23 That looks like a fucking plane to me.

Tim Dillon 1:00:24 They analyze this actually brilliantly in a documentary called 9/11: The New Pearl Harbor, and they actually talk about this exact video that was released and the frame rate and everything like that. But it is impossible to know if that thing that you're seeing-

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 But look how big it is. It looks like a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:00:38 It, it, it, all you're seeing is a, a streak of white.

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Right.

Jamie Vernon 1:00:42 That's all you can see.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 But look, but look at that right there. Tell me that doesn't look like a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:00:45 I have no idea what the hell that is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 But doesn't it look like a plane?

Tim Dillon 1:00:48 I have no idea what-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 Okay-

Tim Dillon 1:00:49 ... kind of plane-

Joe Rogan 1:00:49 If I-

Tim Dillon 1:00:49 ... how big it is.

Joe Rogan 1:00:50 If I, if I said to you, "Do you think that that is a house?"

Tim Dillon 1:00:55 I wouldn't say it's a house.

Joe Rogan 1:00:56 It's not a flying house.

Tim Dillon 1:00:57 Not a flying house.

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 It's the shape of a plane, right?

Tim Dillon 1:01:00 That-

Joe Rogan 1:01:00 It's more likely a plane-

Tim Dillon 1:01:01 It is-

Joe Rogan 1:01:01 ... than a house.

Tim Dillon 1:01:02 It is, it is a shape like a plane, which has the same shape as a missile, which has the same shape as a lot of things. It is cylindrical and white.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Yeah, but is that the same shape as a missile? It's like, it's way bigger than a missile.

Tim Dillon 1:01:13 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Look how big that is. That's as big as a plane.

Tim Dillon 1:01:16 Are you telling me there's... Why is there only one video of this when the Pentagon is one of the most surveilled places on Earth?

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 Play it again.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:25 This looks like it's from a parking thing.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Right.

Jamie Vernon 1:01:28 Right? Where you pull up and say-

Tim Dillon 1:01:29 There's no other-

Jamie Vernon 1:01:30 ... "I'm here."

Tim Dillon 1:01:30 There's no other videos of this thing? The FBI confiscated like 80 or 90 of those videos.

Joe Rogan 1:01:36 It looks like it hit the ground as it's hitting the building. Do it one more time.... that looks like a plane to me, man.

Tim Dillon 1:01:45 Does that look like a 757?

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Is that what it was supposed to be?

Tim Dillon 1:01:48 Yeah, a massive 757?

Joe Rogan 1:01:50 But, but it's our perspective though. It, yeah, it easily could be a 757. If you, if you look at the perspective, that's a big ass building. And look how small-

Tim Dillon 1:01:57 If you look at-

Joe Rogan 1:01:58 ... that plane is.

Tim Dillon 1:01:58 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 But it's small compared to the building. But if you had a plane out there with its wings, you would think, "Yeah, that's about the size of the plane," in relationship to that massive building.

Tim Dillon 1:02:09 Okay. And there should be some... I would just imagine there'd be other angles like this.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Right. But, uh, a lack of proof is not proof.

Tim Dillon 1:02:15 A lack of proof can be a question.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:02:18 And there should be-

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 I, I guess you could have a question, but that-

Tim Dillon 1:02:19 Well, one of my questions would be, why is there one angle of this available? Do you know how many angles there are of the planes going into the Twin Towers? There's a few.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Right. But that's a different animal, right? Especially the second plane going into the Twin Towers, 'cause they were already observing the first one.

Tim Dillon 1:02:32 For sure. But there's gotta be more cameras around the Pentagon than just this one parking garage.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:02:40 That was my question.

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 But didn't they find wreckage of a plane on the lawn? There's photographs of wreckage.

Tim Dillon 1:02:47 There is photographs of weird stu- that is consistent with a plane, but it's also, like, very hard. They don't have any... I don't believe they... They don't really have... There's certain things that they found, certain things that they didn't find, and it's weird that there's only one, uh, depiction of it in that one thing. Like, that's all you'll ever see of the Penta- that's just odd to me. It's not, the Pentagon's not a building that isn't surveilled. In fact, I'm sure that there are other buildings with cameras literally pointing and filming the Pentagon. I mean, the FBI confiscated 80 or 90, I think, security tapes. We've seen one of them. That's just odd to me. That's strange.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:03:29 I'm not saying I know the answer. This is where, uh, other people will say, "Well, you don't know the answer." I don't know the answer. I'm just curious.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 The thing about it is, it looks like the trajectory that a plane would take. If a plane is getting low and a plane is trying to slam into a building, versus a missile. Oh, whoops. A missile would come over the top and drop in.

Tim Dillon 1:03:50 Depending on how it was programmed, right? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 Yeah, that's true.

Tim Dillon 1:03:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 It could fly 50 feet above the, above the ground.

Tim Dillon 1:03:55 Yeah. And I'm not... And I, and I have no doubt that, listen, it's very w- m- maybe, maybe w- if all the facts were out on the table, I'd go, "Oh, yeah, everything they told us was true." But we've al- we already know that they lied about the Saudi thing. We knew that. They, they, they literally withheld, you know, pages out of the 9/11 Commission Report. The people that had the 9/11 Commission Report were like, "It's set up to fail." The two people that ran it, Lee Hamilton, and, like, these are people that were literally like, "Yeah, we don't have all the info." The president and the vice president appeared together to testify? Incredibly weird. There's just weird things, that's all. I don't know what happened. It's just weird. It's weird that the president and the VP had to sit there next to each other.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Why is that weird?

Tim Dillon 1:04:37 Why would... When you're trying to get to the bottom of something and, and try to figure out why it shouldn't happen again, and you're trying to treat every person's account as their own personal account of the day, why would two officials have to sit next to each other? It's very strange. Everybody else was interviewed individually.

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 I bet that was Dick Cheney's idea.

Tim Dillon 1:05:01 It probably was.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 He's probably like, "I got this."

Tim Dillon 1:05:03 Yeah. He's probably like, "Yeah, sit down and we'll..." You know, but then what does that tell you? I mean, these are, these are, these are weird things. These are odd.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Mm-hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:05:11 I'm just saying they're odd. I don't know what happened. I'll never know. I'll go to my grave not knowing what happened, like everyone else. But, you know, maybe it wa- maybe it happened exactly the way they said. Exactly, where people 30,000 feet up were calling people with cell phones that didn't work, that don't work now 1,000 feet up.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 Isn't it odd that, you know... Uh, look, I don't know what Trump did-

Tim Dillon 1:05:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 ... and what kind of, uh, documents they have.

Tim Dillon 1:05:35 Well he just said we never got to the, uh, the bottom of 9/11.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:05:38 That's from-

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Did he just say that?

Tim Dillon 1:05:39 That's Donald Trump, just said that, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 When did he say it?

Tim Dillon 1:05:42 Um, they said, "Well, Live Golf, what about the Saudis, 9/11?" He goes, "We don't know what the hell happened on 9/11." That's a quote, Jamie King got it. Trump literally was asked about Live Golf, asked about the Saudis and Trump goes, "Yeah, we don't know what happened." That's Trump. That's the president.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Hmm.

Tim Dillon 1:05:56 He probably stole the fucking 9/11 documents and he's got them-

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:06:00 ... at fucking Mar-a-Lago and he's gonna tell everyone the truth at the Labor Day fucking Mar-a-Lago barbecue.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:06:06 And now the feds are trying to fuck him.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 What I was gonna say is, isn't it crazy that they're breaking into his place and making this gigantic deal about it? And maybe they deserve to, maybe it's-

Tim Dillon 1:06:17 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 ... righteous. But yet no one's clamoring to release Gl- Ghislaine Maxwell's list of clients.

Tim Dillon 1:06:23 No one wants that. The FBI is a criminal organization. It doesn't mean that Donald Trump, the Trump Organization isn't a criminal organization. That is too. But these are criminal organizations. The feds, the CIA, all of them, they're fucking criminals. Their job is to break the law. Their job is to wire, to, you know, to do... Well yeah, here we go.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 What does he say? Give me, give me it from the beginning.

Narrator 1:06:42 These people for a long-

Joe Rogan 1:06:45 Give me it from the beginning.

Narrator 1:06:45 ... decision to host this event. Yep. Well, I've known these people for a long time in Saudi Arabia and they've been friends of mine for a long time. Uh, they've invested in many American companies. They own big percentages of many, many American companies. And, uh, frankly, what they're doing for golf is so great, what they're doing for the players is so great. The salaries are gonna go way up. Uh, the PGA was not loved by a lot of the players as you know for a long time. Now they have an alternative and nobody would have ever known there was gonna be a gold rush like this. I think nobody ever knew that they were gonna be paying signing bonuses. The prize money was gonna be much higher. You know, four, five, six times higher. So instead of a million dollars, you'd win five or seven or eight, uh, allotted money and it's even going up. So, uh, but the PGA Tour hasn't reacted well. You're so closely associated with the city of New York. Yeah. You of all people understand the passion surrounding 9/11. What do you say to those family members who protes- protested earlier this week and will be doing so again on Friday? Well, nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11 unfortunately- (laughs) ... and they should have, as to the maniacs that- Uh. ... did that horrible, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 ... thing to our city-

Tim Dillon 1:07:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 ... to our country-

Tim Dillon 1:07:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:54 ... to the world.

Tim Dillon 1:07:55 He's right about that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 So nobody's really been there-

Tim Dillon 1:07:56 He's right again, by the way.

Joe Rogan 1:07:57 But I can tell you that, uh, there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we're gonna have a lot of fun, and we're gonna celebrate, and money is going to charity. A lot of money is going to charity. And you have really the best players in the world, many of the best players in the world. And soon you'll probably have all of them, because remember this, if there's a merger, the people that didn't come they will never get anything except a thank you-

Tim Dillon 1:08:19 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 ... from people that took advantage of them.

Tim Dillon 1:08:21 (laughs) So this is truly what... This is why our society is so fucking insane right now. Wow (laughs) The truly wokest points are being made on a golf course by a billionaire.

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:08:31 That's why our society- How is that woke? ... has gone fucking... 'Cause he's going, "We've not gotten to the bottom of it."

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Yeah.

Tim Dillon 1:08:35 By the way, that's literally what every fucking far left anti-war protester was saying for my entire childhood, what that guy just said on a fucking golf course, "We have not gotten to the bottom any of this shit. We're in seven wars. We're enriching people," and he is making that point. And it's amazing. A billionaire on a golf course is going, "Yeah, we don't know what the fuck happened. We're in all these wars." Like that's why our society has gone so fucking insane, that he is be... He is the wokest person on that issue.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 (laughs)

Tim Dillon 1:09:06 Truly. He is... That's what, that's what a fucking lunatic, you know, like peop- somebody the society viewed as a lunatic would say, ah, you know, in 2003, 2004. I mean, he's the president, we're in 2022, but now a lot of people are more open to it. They're going, "Yeah, man, here's the reality. We just don't trust anybody on anything anymore." And the government is gonna have to earn that trust back. The FBI is gonna have to earn that trust back. The FBI had a two-year very politicized investigation saying this guy was a Russian asset, they came up with nothing. Came up with nothing, okay? Trump's got all kinds of problems. He's done a lot of shady business deals, but they didn't go at him for that. They said he was an agent of Putin, and that he was installed, and that, uh, you know, Putin, uh, doing, doing all these things. They were unable to prove that, and in fact a lot of the evidence they used to... that was kind of cooked up in its own weird way, with the Steele dossier, and the Clinton, and all those people. Um, not to say Trump's not dirty, I'm sure he's fucking dirty, he's a, a real estate billionaire in New York. What are you nuts? Of course he is. But the FBI is gonna have to earn that trust back. I mean, this is an organization that made their bones with COINTELPRO, they made their bone... I mean, the, you know, assassinating civil rights leaders and setting up people, protecting pedophile politicians, fucking, you know, doing all this crazy stuff, right? I mean, they, they can't just... We're supposed to just say the FBI is great now? That's crazy. It's absurd to me, and to others. It doesn't mean Trump's wrong, but if he took like a Bill of Rights on the way out, who gives a fuck?

Joe Rogan 1:10:42 (laughs) A Bill of Rights.

Tim Dillon 1:10:44 Yeah, he grabbed the Bill of Rights or something on the way out. Listen, the guy knows value. He knows money. He just... He... Listen, he didn't make a lot of money. He had to cut some side deals while he was in there, but he didn't make a lot of money. We