Joe Rogan Experience #1871 - Jon Peters

Jon Peters 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

Joe Rogan 0:06 The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (upbeat music) All right, we're up and rolling. (clapping)

Jon Peters 0:13 This is the first interview I've ever done except for Barbara Walters 30 years ago.

Joe Rogan 0:18 Holy shit.

Jon Peters 0:19 When the first question she asked me was, I was with Streisand at the time, she said, "Are you a hustler?"

Joe Rogan 0:25 (laughs)

Jon Peters 0:25 And I said, "If you mean do I hustle every fucking day of my life? Yes, I'm a hustler."

Joe Rogan 0:30 What does that mean, are you a hustler? What was she implying?

Jon Peters 0:33 That I was using Barbra.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Wow.

Jon Peters 0:35 That I was a, a hairdresser with the biggest star in the world.

Joe Rogan 0:39 Isn't that crazy? She would never dare ask that question if you were a woman.

Jon Peters 0:43 No.

Joe Rogan 0:44 And, and, you know, you were with Roger Moore or whatever.

Jon Peters 0:47 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:47 Like, never.

Jon Peters 0:48 She was angry, you know, and, uh, yeah, she was angry.

Joe Rogan 0:53 That's a wild question to ask someone. Like, a- a person who's a hairdresser can't fall in love with, uh, some famous singer?

Jon Peters 1:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01 That's not possible?

Jon Peters 1:02 Yeah, well, you see-

Joe Rogan 1:03 Like, are they, are they out of reach?

Jon Peters 1:05 And... Yeah, I think that the fact that I was making decisions for her, or not making decisions, I was creating alternatives for her, and she was like, "Yeah, man." Star is Born was something that when I first read it, I called her and I said, "I read this thing." She goes, "You schmuck, it's been made three times before." And she hung up the phone on me. That was 1976 with, you know-

Joe Rogan 1:25 Wow.

Jon Peters 1:26 And that's when I met Elvis.

Joe Rogan 1:28 I went through your IMDb. Holy shit, have you produced a lot of movies.

Jon Peters 1:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:33 (laughs)

Jon Peters 1:33 A lot of marijuana, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:34 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 1:35 A lot of getting fucked up, Jack. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:38 You made so many movies, man.

Jon Peters 1:40 Yeah, over 100.

Joe Rogan 1:41 That's incredible. That's incredible.

Jon Peters 1:43 Yeah, because I always was a storyteller. And as a kid, I was n- I didn't always tell the truth, but they were my stories. My life became my story. My stories became my life. The things that I'm doing today are things that I said I would do. I wanted to be... I wanted... I was in love with Ali. I made Ali, the life story of... I was in love with Presley, I wanted him to be in Star is Born. We flew up to Vegas, and we met with him. And, uh, he was so fat he couldn't sit in a chair. He was about 100 pounds overweight.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Wow.

Jon Peters 2:16 And he said, "I got a problem, man. I got a problem." I said, "What's your problem?" He said, "I'm having a fight with my girlfriend." And I said, "What does that mean?" He says, "Well, she's flying in my 747 for two hours, and I haven't decided whether to let her, let her land or not." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:29 (laughs)

Jon Peters 2:30 So, yeah, so I've been lucky. I've been a really blessed, lucky guy.

Joe Rogan 2:35 Did you meet Elvis when he was doing karate?

Jon Peters 2:37 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:38 So, that was when he was an Ed Parker student?

Jon Peters 2:40 No, no, no, no, no. I met him once when he was, uh, really fat. And, uh, Colonel Parker called me and said, "He wants to do the movie, but you can't be a part of it." So, I called b- 'cause I was a producer. I created it, I wrote it, I, I, I... it was my thing, man. I was obsessed with this movie. And, uh, the love story was me and Barbra. We copied it. And Barbra said, "Fuck him." I said, "Fuck you." And so he didn't do it, and then later...

Joe Rogan 3:10 Wow.

Jon Peters 3:11 After the movie, Priscilla Presley called me and said to me, "I gotta tell you, I..." he wanted to see it on opening day, and he did. And he cried that he didn't do it, 'cause I woulda got to the other side of Elvis. I woulda got to the pain. I woulda got to the feelings. I woulda got past the other thing.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Mm.

Jon Peters 3:29 It woulda been gigantic, 'cause I saw that in him. I could feel the pain in him.

Joe Rogan 3:35 So, when, when you met him, it was towards the end, then? Like, th- this time?

Jon Peters 3:40 Yes, towards the end.

Joe Rogan 3:42 Did you watch the film, the new one? The new Elvis movie?

Jon Peters 3:44 Fantastic.

Joe Rogan 3:45 It's amazing, right?

Jon Peters 3:46 Amazing. Yes, because they did it differently.

Joe Rogan 3:47 Yeah, they did an amazing job.

Jon Peters 3:49 They did a completely different take. It was amazing.

Joe Rogan 3:50 The way the... just the way it was edited and put together with all the, you know, the things in between the scenes, it was incredible.

Jon Peters 3:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 It was so good. But it's like, that story is such a unique story because there had never been a person like him before that was that famous.

Jon Peters 4:04 Ever.

Joe Rogan 4:04 Ever.

Jon Peters 4:05 Even still it gives me chills, man.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Michael Jackson was, like, the next one, right?

Jon Peters 4:08 Yeah, he was a-

Joe Rogan 4:08 There'd never been someone like him either.

Jon Peters 4:10 Michael Jackson and I, uh, um, I went to him, and I... when I was doing Star is Born, I mean, uh, Batman. And I had Prince to do the music, and I wanted Michael to do the warring theme, so it was like a fight. So, Michael Jackson plays... no, thank you. Michael Jackson plays, uh, you know, Batman, the, the guy, and Prince plays the Joker, Jack Nicholson. But Michael backed out. We became friends. He took me to his house. He showed me Thriller, and, uh, he said... I s- I show him this 'cause you did American Werewolf in London, and I copied you to do Thriller.

Joe Rogan 4:53 Wow. American Werewolf in London's the greatest horror movie of all time.

Jon Peters 4:59 Yes, I made that, I wrote that. I mean, I- I didn't write it, write it, but who did?

Joe Rogan 5:02 You Saw the Wolf out There?

Jon Peters 5:04 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:04 I, I fucking worshiped that movie.

Jon Peters 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 That movie was so fun. It was such a great movie, 'cause it was a such a great combination of sheer terror and comedy.

Jon Peters 5:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:14 It was amazing.

Jon Peters 5:14 Yeah, thank you, man. That's, that's-

Joe Rogan 5:15 It's an amazing movie.

Jon Peters 5:16 That's what we did.

Joe Rogan 5:17 It stands the test of time.

Jon Peters 5:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:18 I watched it again, like, a year ago. It's fucking great.

Jon Peters 5:21 John Landis, John Landis.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Oh.

Jon Peters 5:22 He's the guy that unfortunately, the d-

Joe Rogan 5:25 Yeah.

Jon Peters 5:26 Yeah, you know.

Joe Rogan 5:26 Yeah, the accident.

Jon Peters 5:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:28 The helicopter.

Jon Peters 5:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:29 It was terrible. He's, uh... that, that American Werewolf in London movie, uh, y- you know, what you guys did was, uh... it's just like a, a real m- like a horror classic.

Jon Peters 5:40 Yeah, thank you.

Joe Rogan 5:41 There's a few class- like The Shining, there's a few classics.

Jon Peters 5:43 Yeah, amazing.

Joe Rogan 5:43 American Werewolf in London is the monster movie classic.

Jon Peters 5:46 Yeah. Well, one of the other things that I was lucky enough to do is Caddyshack.

Joe Rogan 5:50 Oh.

Jon Peters 5:51 And everybody golfs, so I'm gonna make a new one now, and I just-

Joe Rogan 5:54 Nice.

Jon Peters 5:54 I just got off the phone with Shaq. I'm gonna, I'm gonna put everybody together in this motherfucker. It's the elite, which will be Billy, Chevy, uh, that, that own the club, and they one day get Madoffed.... now all the guys, our kind of guys that have money, that they turn down, they take over the club and these guys work for them. And it's, uh, it's gonna be a very funny story. Wow.

Joe Rogan 6:22 How come no one's done another good werewolf movie?

Jon Peters 6:25 Uh, 'cause any movie that you make is a, a gift from God they're so hard.

Joe Rogan 6:31 Is that what it is?

Jon Peters 6:32 It's, it's hard, man. I give people Academy Awards just for the movie I made. The pieces, the agents, the story, the acting, the distribution, the this, the that, the bullshit, the lying, the cheating. It's impossible.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Wow.

Jon Peters 6:44 I have a movie that I'm gonna do. It's called Africa. And it's, it's like Out of Africa. And Eric Roth wrote it, who wrote the, um ... He's a gr- one of the greatest writers in, in, in Hollywood. And he wrote it 22 years ago for me. I've been developing this for 20 years 'cause I never got the love story right. I had Brad Pitt, I had Angelina Jolie. They broke up, the story fell apart. But I'm, I'm working now on getting the story and then I'm gonna make the movie. It's about a journalist doing a story on a guy who's trying to stop the poaching and the killing of all the animals in Africa.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Hm.

Jon Peters 7:20 Beautiful love story. He loses two legs. You got all the ... Yeah, he got shot down by the poachers.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Oh.

Jon Peters 7:26 And he, you, we see the whole Black experience and their culture. And they have, uh, one day of fighting and you see swords and shit that it's amazing. All in that, the African culture.

Joe Rogan 7:38 Wow. What, what excites you most about making movies at this point in your life?

Jon Peters 7:43 Stories, stories.

Joe Rogan 7:45 Stories?

Jon Peters 7:45 Yeah. Like they-

Joe Rogan 7:46 Just, it's gotta excite you.

Jon Peters 7:47 Like Dana White fucking makes me crazy.

Joe Rogan 7:50 (laughs)

Jon Peters 7:51 Crazy. I love him. He wrote me something, "JP, I love you." I love you, motherfucker. And he can box. He was gonna box, knucklehead.

Joe Rogan 7:59 Tito Ortiz?

Jon Peters 8:00 I, I saw that on the thing. I was like-

Joe Rogan 8:02 Yeah.

Jon Peters 8:02 ... "Fuck, got big balls. Tito's not, not, not, not, not tough."

Joe Rogan 8:07 Tito's not tough?

Jon Peters 8:08 Yeah. No, he was tough. I'm saying he's not-

Joe Rogan 8:09 Oh yeah, he's very tough. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, very tough.

Jon Peters 8:11 Very tough, yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:12 I was like-

Jon Peters 8:12 Big, tall guy, but-

Joe Rogan 8:12 ... man, you have high standards.

Jon Peters 8:13 No, no, no, he's not.

Joe Rogan 8:14 (laughs) I was like

Jon Peters 8:15 He isn't. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Joe Rogan 8:16 I, I understand what you're saying. I'm sorry.

Jon Peters 8:17 Al- although on the standards, the fight that, that, uh, uh, fella, it was, it was a show before last, um, with blood all over the face. That was...

Joe Rogan 8:29 That happened so often. Which fight was that?

Jon Peters 8:31 Where, remember he put the blood...

Joe Rogan 8:32 Oh, oh, Luke Rockhold.

Jon Peters 8:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:34 Yeah.

Jon Peters 8:34 He was-

Joe Rogan 8:34 And Paul Acosta.

Jon Peters 8:35 ... brilliant-

Joe Rogan 8:36 That was crazy.

Jon Peters 8:36 ... until that moment.

Joe Rogan 8:37 (laughs)

Jon Peters 8:38 Then I thought it was a poor loser. I mean, he should've ... As opposed to the Happy Samoan guy who got beat up by the big Black guy. He was a great loser.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Yeah, he was. Yeah, Tai Tuivasa.

Jon Peters 8:48 Took his kids.

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah.

Jon Peters 8:49 Took his thing, put it on-

Joe Rogan 8:50 I think Rockhold and that guy had had so many bad words to say to each other, like, during training camp-

Jon Peters 8:56 That's probably what it was. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:56 ... and leading up to it. It, it was like he was saying s-

Jon Peters 8:58 'Cause he was biting of the ear, like Tyson biting the ear.

Joe Rogan 9:00 Well, except it's legal. Like, you're allowed to, like, smear your blood all over a guy. And guys do it all the time. They just don't do it that blatantly.

Jon Peters 9:08 I've never seen them do it.

Joe Rogan 9:08 Yeah, if guys have, like, a cut on their head, you will oftentimes see them, like, leaning towards the guy's face.

Jon Peters 9:13 Oh, during ... Yeah, yeah, yeah, during the fight. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:15 And they know, they know that blood sucks to get on your eye.

Jon Peters 9:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:17 They're not stupid.

Jon Peters 9:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:18 But it's legal.

Jon Peters 9:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:19 You know? It's ... I mean, it's not something they're, they're actively trying to pursue as a technique. But if they find that they're bleeding from their forehead and they see, they see the guy's face right there, they'll just do it. But way, (laughs) the way Luke Rockhold did it was just crazy.

Jon Peters 9:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:32 He just rubbed his bloody nose all over the guy's face.

Jon Peters 9:34 'Cause he's a bit of a bitch.

Joe Rogan 9:36 Lu- Luke Rockhold is?

Jon Peters 9:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:38 I would not say that.

Jon Peters 9:39 No. In my opinion as an audience.

Joe Rogan 9:41 For doing that?

Jon Peters 9:42 No, just in general.

Joe Rogan 9:43 Really?

Jon Peters 9:43 The way he behaves. Just, it's just something about him that, um, I don't know. I see him as an actor, I see him as a movie star, I see him... But then that fight, he was amazing. So, maybe he has a bit... I just, there's-

Joe Rogan 9:55 He's cursed with being impossibly good-looking.

Jon Peters 9:58 Maybe that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 9:58 That's a big part of it. It's easy to hate on-

Jon Peters 9:59 He's so pretty.

Joe Rogan 10:00 Yes.

Jon Peters 10:00 Maybe that's what it is.

Joe Rogan 10:01 That, that's what it is. It bothers men.

Jon Peters 10:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 10:03 I always say that, uh, the only reason anyone gets laid is 'cause Luke Rockhold didn't show up first.

Jon Peters 10:07 Yes, it's true. (laughs) And look, and he's got a beautiful body.

Joe Rogan 10:10 He's perfect.

Jon Peters 10:10 And he's tall.

Joe Rogan 10:11 Yeah, and so that bothers people.

Jon Peters 10:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:13 So, if he was just a regular guy-

Jon Peters 10:14 Could be.

Joe Rogan 10:15 ... it wouldn't bother you as much.

Jon Peters 10:16 Could be.

Joe Rogan 10:16 Part of the arrogance that bothers people ... But all prizefighters have arrogance, you know?

Jon Peters 10:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:21 There's like ... It's v- c- so common. You kinda have to have a certain amount of arrogance and bravado-

Jon Peters 10:26 To fight.

Joe Rogan 10:26 ... to be successful.

Jon Peters 10:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:27 I mean, they don't all. Some of them are pretty humble. They keep it to themselves. But inside, you know, like, there's, there's a, there's a bravado there. And, you know, when it comes from a super good-looking guy, it's, uh-

Jon Peters 10:37 Hard to take. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:38 People don't like it. (laughs)

Jon Peters 10:39 It's hard to take. That's why people get mad at me, man. I still got hair. You know what I mean? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:44 There you go.

Jon Peters 10:44 Me too. Mine's gone. So, uh, you know, yeah. No, it's, it's been, uh ... I've had an amazing career. The UFC thing has been my, my hobby. I try to pick every fight before it happens within about thir- uh, uh, a minute into the round by the way they walk and move and stuff and everything like ... It's like a hobby.

Joe Rogan 11:02 Weren't you entertained by that Luke Rockhold fight though? That was very entertaining.

Jon Peters 11:04 Phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 11:05 That was an incredible fight.

Jon Peters 11:06 Phenomenal. I was ... I loved him for that 'cause he let it all go.

Joe Rogan 11:11 And there were scenes in it that were like a movie, where he said-

Jon Peters 11:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 11:14 ... "Fuck you."

Jon Peters 11:14 Yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 11:14 And then he punched him in the face.

Jon Peters 11:15 Yes, it was definitely a movie.

Joe Rogan 11:17 (laughs)

Jon Peters 11:17 Even you said it.

Joe Rogan 11:18 I even ... It was like a movie.

Jon Peters 11:18 You said-

Joe Rogan 11:19 Yeah.

Jon Peters 11:19 ... on the thing, "This is like a movie."

Joe Rogan 11:20 Yeah.

Jon Peters 11:20 And I was like, "I- it is like a movie."

Joe Rogan 11:22 It really was. It was like if you saw that in a movie, you'd be like, "Come on."

Jon Peters 11:24 Especially if you had, um, got to know him and had his life before and realized-

Joe Rogan 11:29 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 11:29 ... that this was his real ... In his way, because he's been so beautiful, this is his license of manhood, because now he could actually be tough and beautiful.

Joe Rogan 11:38 Hmm. Well, he was even when he was the champion. You know, he was a Strikeforce champion and he was-

Jon Peters 11:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:42 ... then he was the UFC champion. And when, when he was in his prime, like th- but see, the thing about o- an elite high-level fighter, and this is the reality of it, the s- the consequences on your body are so grave.

Jon Peters 11:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:54 There's so much going wrong. Your neck and your-

Jon Peters 11:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:56 ... fucking shoulder and your knee. It's always happening. And so, these guys only have a few years to perform at like the elite of the elite level.

Jon Peters 12:04 I saw with Victor. I saw it with Victor.

Joe Rogan 12:06 Yeah.

Jon Peters 12:06 When he ... That first guy he knocked out?

Joe Rogan 12:08 Oh, yeah.

Jon Peters 12:08 It went across the ring.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 12:09 He didn't bang, bang, bang-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Vanderlei Silva, yeah.

Jon Peters 12:11 He w- yeah, it was-

Joe Rogan 12:12 He charged Vanderlei Silva.

Jon Peters 12:12 No, no, the guy took half his face off. It was in Oklahoma. And, uh-

Joe Rogan 12:17 Oh, so you're talking about the first fight?

Jon Peters 12:18 I'm a-

Joe Rogan 12:19 So, the first fight in the UFC? That wa- that was against Trey Tellem-

Jon Peters 12:21 He ran up, and Victor ran across-

Joe Rogan 12:22 Yeah.

Jon Peters 12:22 Yeah, with the red-headed kids?

Joe Rogan 12:23 Um, I don't think he had red hair. Trey-

Jon Peters 12:25 Or, he had light hair, but his face-

Joe Rogan 12:27 Yeah, light hair.

Jon Peters 12:27 ... he had to go to the hospital. He broke the whole thing.

Joe Rogan 12:29 Yeah, well, I, uh, I would imagine Vitor had crazy hand sp-

Jon Peters 12:33 He did-

Joe Rogan 12:33 And still has.

Jon Peters 12:33 ... and those shoulders, and the shoulders-

Joe Rogan 12:34 Yeah.

Jon Peters 12:35 ... and the back.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Yeah, then he, um, he beat Scott Ferrozo and, uh, won the tournament, the heavyweight tournament. He was 19 years old.

Jon Peters 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:43 Yeah.

Jon Peters 12:43 I loved it when he took out, uh, um, uh, the bar fighter, um-

Joe Rogan 12:48 Tank Abbott.

Jon Peters 12:48 Yeah. In a-

Joe Rogan 12:49 You were telling me-

Jon Peters 12:49 ... in a choke.

Joe Rogan 12:50 ... that you, you knew Carlson Gracie, you knew all those guys back then-

Jon Peters 12:52 He, I trained with him.

Joe Rogan 12:54 That's wild.

Jon Peters 12:54 For three years, man.

Joe Rogan 12:56 Was it a-

Jon Peters 12:56 Every day.

Joe Rogan 12:56 ... when he was on Hawthorne?

Jon Peters 12:58 When he was at my house.

Joe Rogan 12:59 Oh, he came to your house and trained you?

Jon Peters 13:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:00 Oh.

Jon Peters 13:01 With Victor.

Joe Rogan 13:01 Oh. But that was back when they were calling him Victor.

Jon Peters 13:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:04 We were talking about that earlier.

Jon Peters 13:05 Yeah, yeah. I introduced Victor to marijuana.

Joe Rogan 13:07 Oh, no.

Jon Peters 13:08 Because he wouldn't train. And I got him loaded and he stayed in the gym the whole day.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Really?

Jon Peters 13:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:13 He wouldn't train unless he had a high-

Jon Peters 13:14 Well, he was lazy, he was lazy. A lot of guys that are good-looking and built like that, they're lazy, 'cause he beats people up like that.

Joe Rogan 13:20 Wow, he was a spectacular athlete.

Jon Peters 13:22 He was, yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:23 He was so fast.

Jon Peters 13:23 Yeah. That's when I called Dana-

Joe Rogan 13:25 (coughs)

Jon Peters 13:25 ... and I said, "Remember me? We almost fought the thing together," and da, da, da, da.

Joe Rogan 13:28 When I think about a guy like Vitor, who was really, like, at his best at, like, between 185 and 205 pounds-

Jon Peters 13:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:35 ... like, if, if Vitor had c- come up now, where the weight classes are already established and he wouldn't have to be fighting heavyweights, like he was fighting guys like Randy Couture-

Jon Peters 13:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:46 ... or s- sc- Scott Ferroza was a big guy.

Jon Peters 13:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 13:48 If he was abled from the time he was 19 to fight, like, at a, at the weight class that they're, like, natural to his body, he'd been one of the greatest of all time.

Jon Peters 13:57 I'll tell you a name, see if you remember it. Al Stanky.

Joe Rogan 13:59 Oh, yeah. Sure.

Jon Peters 14:01 I found him in. I put Victor with Al Stanky.

Joe Rogan 14:04 Oh, no kidding.

Jon Peters 14:05 Through the Hoyas guys-

Joe Rogan 14:06 Because Al Stanky was hilarious.

Jon Peters 14:07 ... and that's how he learned how to fight, Victor.

Joe Rogan 14:08 People forgot about, I forgot about Al Stanky-

Jon Peters 14:10 I found him and I did a movie on him.

Joe Rogan 14:11 ... till he caught up again. Al Stanky was hilarious.

Jon Peters 14:13 In the Compton he was a tough motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 14:15 Oh, yeah.

Jon Peters 14:15 He could swim. We would race in the pool, he would, I would do 10 laps, he'd do 30 laps (laughs) in the water. He's, like, amazing guy. But he taught Victor how to bob and how to weave.

Joe Rogan 14:25 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 14:25 And everything.

Joe Rogan 14:27 Yeah.

Jon Peters 14:27 And there were, they, in the UFC in those days, there was no standup. It was all on the ground almost. 80%-

Joe Rogan 14:33 Well, nobody had ground skills like Vitor had, but also-

Jon Peters 14:37 And the body.

Joe Rogan 14:37 ... had the kind of hands that he had.

Jon Peters 14:38 Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:39 That was what was interesting.

Jon Peters 14:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:41 I just think that if you go to, like, the early part of his career, if that guy was in a, like, a weight class that was natural to his body, like 185 pound weight class, something like that-

Jon Peters 14:52 I agree with you. Would have been one of the great champions.

Joe Rogan 14:54 He would have been one of the great champions.

Jon Peters 14:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:56 Because-

Jon Peters 14:56 I trained years ago as a kid.

Joe Rogan 14:58 He got up to, like, 240 pounds at one point.

Jon Peters 14:59 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 15:00 It was way too big.

Jon Peters 15:01 He got to 241-

Joe Rogan 15:02 Yeah.

Jon Peters 15:02 ... I went to 281. I'm now down, I gotta lose another 30 pounds (laughs) since I, you know.

Joe Rogan 15:07 What are you doing to lose it?

Jon Peters 15:08 Um, h- uh, no food, uh, raw fish and vegetables, and that's it.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Raw fish, huh?

Jon Peters 15:15 Yeah. I love it, man.

Joe Rogan 15:16 Yeah?

Jon Peters 15:16 And I, yeah, my, I have a chef, and she's the greatest chef in the world, and she cooks for me wherever I go. And, and I, yeah, I gotta lose another... I wanna get... I'm 260, I wanna get down to... I'd really like to get down to 200. I'd like to be-

Joe Rogan 15:27 Do you have a trainer?

Jon Peters 15:28 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:29 That's important.

Jon Peters 15:30 Brazilian great guy.

Joe Rogan 15:31 That's awesome.

Jon Peters 15:32 Amazing black belt trainer guy, champion from Brazil. I brought him over. He's fantastic, you know.

Joe Rogan 15:37 So, you're doing jujitsu with him?

Jon Peters 15:38 As much as I can because I'm all broke up.

Joe Rogan 15:41 Yeah.

Jon Peters 15:42 My knees-

Joe Rogan 15:42 So, he's got you doing other stuff, too?

Jon Peters 15:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:44 Yeah. That's great.

Jon Peters 15:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:45 Having someone like that, especially for a guy like you that's very busy-

Jon Peters 15:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:48 ... having someone like, "This is my job."

Jon Peters 15:50 I trained for my life, man. From the more nighttime, I train. I live in my spa. I live in... I've never gone to an office. Everybody resolves around my s- my schnoodle.

Joe Rogan 16:01 (laughs)

Jon Peters 16:01 I have great, talented people. When you were talking to Elon Musk about, "How does he do it all?" Delegation.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah.

Jon Peters 16:09 Finding smart people. You put them, then you don't have to do nothing. You just tell them what you wanna do and they figure out how to do it, and you adjust it. I do that. I run, like, 30 companies.

Joe Rogan 16:17 Oh, that's genius. That's probably fun, too.

Jon Peters 16:20 I'm excited, that's why I'm breathing heavy-

Joe Rogan 16:22 Yeah.

Jon Peters 16:22 ... 'cause, like, I wanna go-

Joe Rogan 16:23 I know, you seem excited.

Jon Peters 16:24 I am. This is it.

Joe Rogan 16:25 You get fired up-

Jon Peters 16:26 I will do this again.

Joe Rogan 16:26 ... talking about training.

Jon Peters 16:27 This is my one... I didn't... I was gonna do a book. They gave me, like, a big advance. Barbara and everybody got angry, so I gave them the money back and I never did it. This is the first time I'm being interviewed, really being interviewed, where someone can watch and say, "Oh, that's who he is."

Joe Rogan 16:42 Well, I, I always think about it just like having a conversation. Like, I've always just wanted to talk to you. Just think, uh, you know, when I look at your body of work and the, the, the history that you've had in making movies, it's just inc- it's incredible.

Jon Peters 16:54 You know, I, when I did Star is Born and we came back from the... e- everybody put me down. I was, like, a joke. I was a pimp. I was this, that, how dare me produce the biggest movie with the biggest star, and I must have a 12-foot dick. Although-

Joe Rogan 17:07 (laughs)

Jon Peters 17:07 ... I did learn in life (sighs) that I'm actually a lesbian. So, I really learned how to make love with women once I saw my friend, this model and this little lesbian lady, and I said, "What do you do? How did you get her?" 'Cause I would always come too fast. I could never make it work right, you know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 17:29 (laughs)

Jon Peters 17:29 Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. And, uh, I learn now that, with my wife, my lady, we make love for three hours. I, I, I, it becomes an orchestra with my love for her and my gratitude that she saved my life by bringing spirituality into me. 'Cause I was, like, getting tired of living.

Joe Rogan 17:51 So, when you say spirituality, like in what form?

Jon Peters 17:54 Studying, uh, Joe Dispenza. Genius. You should look him up. He's a fucking... 100,000 people's... shells out $100,000. He's a beast. He, he's like you, but he's amazing. Studying people every night for six, seven hours, learning.... was therapy, working on what it was like to be in jail as a kid, see my father die in front of me, my bu- best friend shot as he was going over the fence in juvie, lot of stuff that happened to me as a kid.

Joe Rogan 18:21 You just glossed over some pretty crazy stories.

Jon Peters 18:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:24 You say your father died in front of you?

Jon Peters 18:25 Yeah. Shit, piss and (snaps fingers) goat. (breathes deeply) It took a long time to get over it, but I never got over it. But women saved my life, because every time I got somebody good, she was smart, she was talented, and she filled in that thing. Barbara gave me a career, and my wife gave me love.

Joe Rogan 18:48 That's beautiful.

Jon Peters 18:50 Yeah. And Peter Guber, I love him, we broke up, not in a good way. One of the smartest, most wonderful men I ever met in my life. I wish I had not lost him as my friend after a partnership of 15 years.

Joe Rogan 19:03 What happened? What, how'd it go south?

Jon Peters 19:05 I got a, I almost fucked his wife.

Joe Rogan 19:07 Oops.

Jon Peters 19:08 We got so close that she started feeling for me, and because I'm a talker and Peter isn't, uh, she started getting very connected to me. Not in my intention, not in my want, I didn't thing, uh, I didn't, uh, you know, but I did feel romantic, because she was, she was different than Barbara too. She was very loving but I never touched her, and I think that was a breach that my karma, it kicked my ass for 10 years. I couldn't... I was so fucked up by losing him, it took me a while to get myself back and to take responsibility for what I did. I never touched her, but she would come sit in the jacuzzi with me and 10 other girls and smoke dope, and it just got too close.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Hmm. Is that the har- one of the hardest things about putting together all these films, is the relationships-

Jon Peters 19:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 19:59 ... between all the people that are involved?

Jon Peters 20:01 Yeah, you have to be a master manipulator.

Joe Rogan 20:03 And you gotta be with each other all the time.

Jon Peters 20:04 All the time.

Joe Rogan 20:04 'Cause you're working 16-hour days.

Jon Peters 20:06 Sixteen-hour days, and you have to get 'em to do things they don't wanna do. That's why I didn't do the thing with Dana.

Joe Rogan 20:12 And you have to maintain a vision.

Jon Peters 20:12 I didn't wanna be in Vegas with fighters. I wanted to be with girls with titties and everything else. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:20 (laughs) I like it. I, when you go titties, there's a-

Jon Peters 20:22 I love titties.

Joe Rogan 20:22 ... show me.

Jon Peters 20:23 (laughs) You know? But I, um, no, you know, I was a professional ladies' man because I was a hairdresser, so every day, if I wasn't busy, I had to go out and find pretty girls and say, "Come here, let me do your hair."

Joe Rogan 20:35 Hmm. When you're doing these films, and it takes, like, 16-hour days and there's all these different personalities you're juggling, how do you keep, like, a vision of what's, wha- what you-

Jon Peters 20:48 Same way you guys did in the UFC. I have a vision of the movie. I sat with Dana and I said, "This is bigger than the Power Rangers, Dana." And Dana said, "I never thought..." I said, "Yeah." I said, "Because you guys naked in thing," and I was dating Catherine Zeta-Jones. We went to a big fight in Oklahoma, where there's a gun show right here. After the fight, the Brazilian wiped everybody out, the, all the red guys, redneck people. They started fighting with us. And I was with Catherine and Victor and Royce and Hixon and w- every, Carlson, everybody got around us and walked us to our car to get us out.

Joe Rogan 21:29 Wow.

Jon Peters 21:30 And that's when, uh, J- uh, Catherine said, "Man, is Victor sexy." I said, "Okay." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:37 (laughs)

Jon Peters 21:38 You know what I mean? I said, "Let's open a g-..." I opened him a dojo, I did everything. My God, I put them in business.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Wow. Tha- that's a, it's a crazy history you've had.

Jon Peters 21:50 Yes, I have, sir.

Joe Rogan 21:51 You've had a lot of wild, wild experiences in your life.

Jon Peters 21:54 Yeah. And as a little boy, my dad was an American Indian, Cherokee. My mom's Italian. So I was riding horses early, and they came to cast the Ten Commandments. And I got picked out of, like, a thousand people to be in that and meet John Derek, Cecil B. DeMille.

Joe Rogan 22:15 Whoa.

Jon Peters 22:16 And I was an extra riding on a big bison with a, with a, uh, little goat and the, the guy said, "I- if any of these animals go to the bathroom, call pickup," 'cause when they go to the bathroom it's that big, 'cause they're like 15- 1,500 pounds.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Right.

Jon Peters 22:31 So we're going down the thing and my little goat starts to shit, and I went, "Oh, pickup!" (laughs) And they cut and Joe Miller came out and said, "Who said that?" I said, "I did." He said, "The fucking big ones, man, not the little ones. Now shut the fuck up," or something like that, you know?

Joe Rogan 22:46 (laughs) Oh, he, he should've been more specific.

Jon Peters 22:49 Well you're sp- it, it, they're just little teeny things.

Joe Rogan 22:52 Yeah, little pellets.

Jon Peters 22:53 But yeah, so, uh, from that time on, I got hooked in the movie business. There's something about, look, the UFC is a movie. I went to Dana years ago and said, "Let's... I wanna do your movie."

Joe Rogan 23:03 Yeah, but can you encapsulate something like the UFC in a two-hour movie?

Jon Peters 23:07 No.

Joe Rogan 23:08 No?

Jon Peters 23:09 No.

Joe Rogan 23:11 But you can do your best?

Jon Peters 23:13 You'd have to tell the story from the Gracie's angle.

Joe Rogan 23:15 Hmm. Yeah.

Jon Peters 23:18 And the street fights and the 14-hour fights.

Joe Rogan 23:21 UFC1, yeah, UFC1 is the story.

Jon Peters 23:23 Through the, yeah, oh, yeah man.

Joe Rogan 23:24 That's the real story, is what- the Royce Gracie story, that's the real story.

Jon Peters 23:26 Yeah, that's me, that's how I got in.

Joe Rogan 23:28 Yeah, how come not?

Jon Peters 23:29 Hoyce, Hixon, all those guys, they were my guys.

Joe Rogan 23:31 No one's really done a movie on that.

Jon Peters 23:33 No, but I, that's the thing I want to do. And then I can imp- involve Dana and you and all this stuff.

Joe Rogan 23:39 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 23:39 But I wanna tell it from Brazil.

Joe Rogan 23:42 That's a great idea.

Jon Peters 23:42 And then bring it back.

Joe Rogan 23:43 That's a great idea.

Jon Peters 23:44 Yeah, it's a big epic but I, I see it in my head, that's what happens, I see things finished.

Joe Rogan 23:49 The Gracies are the most important family in the history of martial arts.

Jon Peters 23:51 Totally.

Joe Rogan 23:52 They're the most important.

Jon Peters 23:53 Totally.

Joe Rogan 23:53 They're, they're, like, they're, they're, they're the most important contributors to the overall-

Jon Peters 23:56 100%. Hey, it's in the culture, man.

Joe Rogan 23:58 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 23:59 Watch a TV show with the lead actors doing a choke and an armbar. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:03 Yeah.

Jon Peters 24:03 It's like, what? It's, like, it be permanently... 'Cause when we did it-

Joe Rogan 24:06 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 24:06 ... the police would come.

Joe Rogan 24:08 (laughs)

Jon Peters 24:09 ... you would have to leave, the cops would come. (imitates police siren) You know?

Joe Rogan 24:11 They've got it so that the whole world practices jiu-jitsu.

Jon Peters 24:14 Yes, I see it.

Joe Rogan 24:15 And it was all them. I mean, they started it all.

Jon Peters 24:16 The kids, the kids, yes. The kid-

Joe Rogan 24:18 Yeah. Having Royce on TV for UFC 1 started it all.

Jon Peters 24:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:21 I remember it.

Jon Peters 24:22 And you, you're a big, big part of it.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Oh, thank you very much.

Jon Peters 24:25 Big part of it. You're a part of that culture. And you're the person-

Joe Rogan 24:27 I'm a professional fan. (laughs)

Jon Peters 24:28 Yeah. Well, well you are.

Joe Rogan 24:29 It's nice to...

Jon Peters 24:30 And the way you handle yourself is like Dana's guy. And, and, uh, between the two of you, without compromising each other, you do a brilliant job. If you left the show, I would be very upset.

Joe Rogan 24:43 Well, if Dana leaves-

Jon Peters 24:43 As a fan.

Joe Rogan 24:44 If Dana leaves, I'm gone. That's in my contract.

Jon Peters 24:46 There is no show (laughs) without Dana White.

Joe Rogan 24:48 No.

Jon Peters 24:48 There is no show.

Joe Rogan 24:49 No, no, no. He's-

Jon Peters 24:50 Take it down 60%.

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah, what he does is very different.

Jon Peters 24:53 He knows what the fighters are, he knows what their drama is.

Joe Rogan 24:57 Yeah.

Jon Peters 24:57 "Shut the fuck up. You know how hard it is-

Joe Rogan 25:00 (laughs)

Jon Peters 25:00 ... to do this fucking show? You don't know fuck all. You don't how to fucking fight. Now shut the fuck up." Then, he goes... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:05 Yeah. He's a real guy.

Jon Peters 25:06 Oh, man. He's great.

Joe Rogan 25:07 He's a real guy. Like that's really him.

Jon Peters 25:10 He's great.

Joe Rogan 25:10 He's a real guy, all day long. That's Dana White.

Jon Peters 25:11 I'm nothing to him. But to say that he f- loved me and, and... And you know why? Because I made Vision Quest.

Joe Rogan 25:19 Ah.

Jon Peters 25:19 And Vision Quest, he said changed his life.

Joe Rogan 25:22 Changed so many wrestlers' lives.

Jon Peters 25:23 Yes. That, that's it. That's what I... I was ready to wrestle and that's why I did that show. And that's... And I found Madonna.

Joe Rogan 25:29 You know, it was one of my favorite scenes-

Jon Peters 25:31 Madonna was in Vision Quest.

Joe Rogan 25:31 ... in that movie, uh, and in any movie, is the scene where the, the guy who works at the place with him is telling him about the soccer player.

Jon Peters 25:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:40 And about how he is watching it at home and just for that one moment, everyone gets elevated.

Jon Peters 25:45 Yes, it's true. It's true.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Yes. It's a great speech though.

Jon Peters 25:48 The fight the other night when that... I had the first time in my life, and I've seen a thousand fights and I've been to, in 200 of them to the death almost, in the street. When that guy was getting beat up by that Black guy and he was punching him like a bag, I looked away. I couldn't watch it.

Joe Rogan 26:05 Yeah?

Jon Peters 26:06 It was the first time. It was so brutal. And, and it looked great. On the other hand, what's he gonna do when he comes across someone that can punch and really bob and weave and everything?

Joe Rogan 26:16 Which guys are you talking about?

Jon Peters 26:17 The Black guy and the Samoan guy.

Joe Rogan 26:19 Oh, Ciryl Gane and Ty Tuivasa.

Jon Peters 26:21 Yeah. I'm bad with names, I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Yeah, no worries. No worries.

Jon Peters 26:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Yeah, Ciryl Gane, man. Goddamn, that was good.

Jon Peters 26:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 He's insane.

Jon Peters 26:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:28 He, he's, he's such a smooth striker.

Jon Peters 26:30 But it was a perfect storm.

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah.

Jon Peters 26:32 He didn't have anybody coming at him. This guy was big punches. He had... He was always open in the center-

Joe Rogan 26:37 Well, Ciryl Gane is just very agile.

Jon Peters 26:39 Yeah, he was great.

Joe Rogan 26:40 He's very... He's usually agile for a big guy.

Jon Peters 26:40 That's right. Listen, when we started, there were no Black ath- fighters.

Joe Rogan 26:44 (laughs)

Jon Peters 26:45 I used to say, "When we get the Black fighters in, you're gonna see rhythm and movement and punches and things coming from here and there and everything else." Dancing, man. Life is a fucking musical. You're either in it or you're out of it. And you have to make your own life, which is what all these guys talk about every day, their own musical, with their own pieces that work, that fulfill your life to make you happy. 'Cause if you're not happy and you have money, you have nothing. Take it from me. This year, twice in the hospital for what they call accidental suicides. And, uh, uh, because I had... I was fu- we were breaking up and I was self-medicating, which I've always done, legally, but not so much. And, uh, luckily, I'm-

Joe Rogan 27:28 That's a hilarious definition right there.

Jon Peters 27:30 What?

Joe Rogan 27:30 Legally, but not so much. (laughs)

Jon Peters 27:31 (laughs) Yeah, right. Exactly. Right.

Joe Rogan 27:33 I'm self-medicating.

Jon Peters 27:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:34 Legally, but... Well-

Jon Peters 27:35 Yeah, exactly.

Joe Rogan 27:36 ... a little sketchy.

Jon Peters 27:37 Yeah. So, it's... I, I know the feeling.

Joe Rogan 27:40 Yeah.

Jon Peters 27:41 Of, of, uh, just, you know... Especially at my age, 77. People... I'm preparing for another 20. So, I'm in training for another 20.

Joe Rogan 27:53 Beautiful.

Jon Peters 27:53 The way I eat, the way I think-

Joe Rogan 27:55 Listen-

Jon Peters 27:55 ... the way I do.

Joe Rogan 27:56 ... you're alive right now. All you have to do is just keep-

Jon Peters 27:58 One, one day.

Joe Rogan 27:58 ... keep pushing.

Jon Peters 27:59 One day at a time, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Yeah, man. It's like when, when you're at a certain stage of your life, if you're, you're mobile and you wanna do better, you can do better.

Jon Peters 28:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:07 If you're alive, you can, you can get better.

Jon Peters 28:08 Totally.

Joe Rogan 28:09 100%. Everybody can.

Jon Peters 28:11 I know a lot of-

Joe Rogan 28:11 You'll feel better.

Jon Peters 28:12 I know a lot of billionaires who are dead.

Joe Rogan 28:14 Yeah. Unfortunately, there's so much stress involved in that kind of a job.

Jon Peters 28:17 That's the problem.

Joe Rogan 28:18 Do you see Mark Zuckerberg's training in MMA?

Jon Peters 28:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:20 He's really pretty good at it.

Jon Peters 28:21 Yes, yes. Good for him.

Joe Rogan 28:22 It's like, I mean, for a guy-

Jon Peters 28:23 Good for him.

Joe Rogan 28:23 ... he's, he's doing the right thing. I'm l- looking at the exercises they do, the drills.

Jon Peters 28:27 I saw him on the show. I saw him on the show.

Joe Rogan 28:28 He was great. Interesting.

Jon Peters 28:30 And that's one of the-

Joe Rogan 28:31 Crazy job that guy has.

Jon Peters 28:33 Because he's a genius.

Joe Rogan 28:34 Yeah.

Jon Peters 28:34 And now he has to feed the genius.

Joe Rogan 28:36 But I mean, imagine being responsible for three billion people's content. And what... And, and also you have shareholders-

Jon Peters 28:42 I couldn't do it.

Joe Rogan 28:42 And also you have, like, CEOs and all these people meeting.

Jon Peters 28:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:45 I wouldn't be able to sleep. I don't know how he does it.

Jon Peters 28:46 Me neither.

Joe Rogan 28:47 And, you know, he said that, uh, training was one of the best things for him-

Jon Peters 28:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:50 ... because he was running. But unfortunately, running, he said, made him think more.

Jon Peters 28:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:54 So, he's thinking about all these problems while he's running.

Jon Peters 28:56 Yeah, 'cause he had quiet time-

Joe Rogan 28:57 When he, when he's training-

Jon Peters 28:58 ... and endor- endorphins. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:58 Right. But when he's training, he can't think of anything else. Like when someone's trying to tackle him or-

Jon Peters 29:02 He doesn't wanna get hit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:03 Exactly. So, all you're focused on is that, and that cleanses the mind.

Jon Peters 29:06 Have you ever been in a fight where it's full-blown to the, to whoever gets knocked out?

Joe Rogan 29:12 You mean like a full contact fight?

Jon Peters 29:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:13 Yeah.

Jon Peters 29:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:14 Yeah.

Jon Peters 29:14 I mean, like a street fight fight.

Joe Rogan 29:16 No, I didn't really get in street fights.

Jon Peters 29:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:18 No, I avoided street fights. I mean, the last street fight I had is probably when I was, like, 14.

Jon Peters 29:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:22 I had a, a... The, the last one I got in, I lost. And the guy didn't even hurt me. He, uh, got me in a headlock. Like, I didn't even know we were gonna fight. I was like, "Why is this guy staring at me like this?"

Jon Peters 29:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:32 Like, he got in my face. He grabbed me in a headlock and he threw me to the ground. And he got on top of me in the bathroom of the, the boys' room. And he got... And he went like that, he was gonna punch me and then he'd laugh. He was like, "Nah, I don't even have to." And he just let me up. And it was humiliating.

Jon Peters 29:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:46 It was humiliating.

Jon Peters 29:47 You were mouthed shut.

Joe Rogan 29:47 And then I realized like, "Oh my God, I gotta learn how to wrestle." And then I joined the wrestling team.

Jon Peters 29:53 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 29:53 And then, um, when I wrestled, I was wrestling, and then I started doing Taekwondo the same year. And I liked TaeKwonDo a lot more. I just liked the idea of knocking someone unconscious. It was very exciting to me. (laughs)

Jon Peters 30:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:04 So, that's... So, I got involved in that, and I did that for...

Jon Peters 30:07 There was a, uh, a time when Jerry Bruckheimer was partners with a guy named Don Simpson.Don Simpson was a genius and so is Jerry. Top Gun is one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life, but-

Joe Rogan 30:21 Great fucking movie.

Jon Peters 30:22 ... I, I've seen it 10 times.

Joe Rogan 30:24 Great fucking movie.

Jon Peters 30:24 I just watch it over and over and over and over. It's so damn fucking brilliantly done. It's like, I did Star is Born two years ago. We had the soundtrack, we had the thing, they had everything.

Joe Rogan 30:34 And at the time, Top Gun was just w- w- blew the roof off the world.

Jon Peters 30:38 It did, but this is better. This one, this one that they did now-

Joe Rogan 30:42 The new one you think is better?

Jon Peters 30:43 ... is, and, and, I, I do-

Joe Rogan 30:44 I need to watch it.

Jon Peters 30:45 The, oh, make-

Joe Rogan 30:46 I haven't watched it yet.

Jon Peters 30:47 The cameras are in the cockpit, man. And they go like this, and you're in the cockpit. And you got the music and you got the score. Talk about a musical, it's a musical.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Wow.

Jon Peters 30:56 And he's phenomenal. You're gonna go, "How's he doing that? How's he doing that? How's he doing that?"

Joe Rogan 31:00 Do they play Highway to the Danger Zone?

Jon Peters 31:01 Yes.

Joe Rogan 31:03 (laughs)

Jon Peters 31:03 The hair stands from the back of your neck, man. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:06 Of course they do, of course they do. (laughs)

Jon Peters 31:07 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 31:08 That's amazing.

Jon Peters 31:08 A brilliant movie. I called Bruckheimer, I say, "Look, you're the camp man. I love you." This is a brilliant movie. But see, just like I am with them, the way fighters are with each other, you know-

Joe Rogan 31:19 Right.

Jon Peters 31:19 ... if somebody's good, they're damn good.

Joe Rogan 31:20 Right. Right. Yeah, there's some, look, that's a classic movie. That's a goddamn class. But do you have a favorite out of all the movies you've done?

Jon Peters 31:29 Well, I like Batman because it was one that was, it broke, nobody had any done anything like that before.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Right.

Jon Peters 31:37 And I had a big affair with Kim Basinger over there.

Joe Rogan 31:39 Oh, shit.

Jon Peters 31:39 And we fell in love. And I hired all UFC fighters to fight my stuff. There's no such thing as UFC fighter, but those guys.

Joe Rogan 31:48 Martial arts guys.

Jon Peters 31:49 Yeah. Hit guys from the tongue.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Hmm.

Jon Peters 31:52 Sword guys.

Joe Rogan 31:53 Oh, wow.

Jon Peters 31:53 Two guys went to the hospital, they got cut because I pushed the limit on the damn thing. And we shot it-

Joe Rogan 31:59 With swords?

Jon Peters 31:59 ... on the table, with the fight sequences, with the, with the, with the, the way we shot it, everything that we did. It may not look like it today, but in those days, we, we, Tim Burton was gonna use a six-inch knife. I said, "No." We got the blade and we got the guys and they did this thing. So-

Joe Rogan 32:18 Michael Keaton was a great fucking Batman.

Jon Peters 32:19 Genius.

Joe Rogan 32:20 He was a great fucking Batman.

Jon Peters 32:20 The best, 'cause he's the best actor in the world. He's one of the top five actors who's ever lived.

Joe Rogan 32:26 He's a-

Jon Peters 32:26 Look at his career.

Joe Rogan 32:27 Yeah.

Jon Peters 32:27 Look what he does. Look what he did on ster- on, on, on, on Quaaludes or whatever it is, on Vicodin or whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 32:33 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 32:33 That three-hour piece is br- y- you know, and I'm sure he's, uh, in the program, I would have to guess. I know he did because I hired him out of a movie called Clean and Sober. And I saw in his eyes he could fight, 'cause as a kid I got in so many fights, but I would read your eyes before I'd even make a ch- move. If I saw something I didn't like, I probably figured a way to get out of it.

Joe Rogan 32:54 Hmm.

Jon Peters 32:54 You know, and that's how I went from Hollywood to the chairman of Sony, to biotech companies, to this, to that, to the UFC maybe it would've been great, um, because I have good instincts and I have, I, I kind of have like ordinary taste, let's say.

Joe Rogan 33:09 Did people resist? They resisted Michael Keaton as Batman initially, right?

Jon Peters 33:12 Nobody wanted him.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah. They didn't like that idea that a comedian-

Jon Peters 33:16 They wanted 60-

Joe Rogan 33:16 'Cause he was a standup comic.

Jon Peters 33:17 Yeah, they wanted a six-foot-three guy-

Joe Rogan 33:19 Yeah.

Jon Peters 33:19 ... to come in with the big muscles.

Joe Rogan 33:20 Right.

Jon Peters 33:20 I said, "No, look in his eyes. He's a killer. He'll stab you five times in the neck before you even know what happened."

Joe Rogan 33:27 (laughs)

Jon Peters 33:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:28 Is he your favorite Batman?

Jon Peters 33:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:30 Christian Bale's a pretty fucking good Batman too.

Jon Peters 33:32 Brilliant. He was brilliant.

Joe Rogan 33:33 Pretty fucking good Batman.

Jon Peters 33:33 Yeah, those two, those two guys.

Joe Rogan 33:35 That, that guy's willing to do things that most people are not willing to do. Like he's willing to get fat, he's willing to like almost die of starvation.

Jon Peters 33:41 That's so they have a career.

Joe Rogan 33:43 Yeah. It's just like, if you watch That Machinist, which is not the best movie, but what's interesting about the movie is just Christian Bale.

Jon Peters 33:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:49 The fact that he's basically a skeleton.

Jon Peters 33:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:51 He ate like a can of tuna and an apple a day.

Jon Peters 33:54 I know, I know. They're cra- oh those actors-

Joe Rogan 33:56 He's a nut.

Jon Peters 33:56 ... most actors are crazy. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:57 And then like six months later-

Jon Peters 33:59 You have to be crazy.

Joe Rogan 33:59 ... he was Batman.

Jon Peters 33:59 Yeah. I know.

Joe Rogan 34:00 Jacked.

Jon Peters 34:01 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:01 (laughs)

Jon Peters 34:02 You have to be crazy.

Joe Rogan 34:04 You have to be crazy to be that good.

Jon Peters 34:04 Jack Nicholson is my good friend and he's crazy as a loon, but, uh-

Joe Rogan 34:08 Has to be.

Jon Peters 34:08 ... but, and a brilliant guy, and thank God he kind of retired like 10 years ago.

Joe Rogan 34:13 Watch Chinatown.

Jon Peters 34:14 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 34:15 Watch China-

Jon Peters 34:15 I do, I love-

Joe Rogan 34:16 I mean, fucking amazing.

Jon Peters 34:17 I know.

Joe Rogan 34:17 Like that guy, of course he's crazy.

Jon Peters 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 How else could he be that good?

Jon Peters 34:20 You can't... I'm s- I'm standing on a corner, La Cienega in Santa Monica, and with my wife at the time, Leslie Ann Warren, she's pregnant with my son, this goes back 50 years ago maybe, whatever it was. Four guys pull by in a car and they go, "Cinderella sucks," and they flip it off.

Joe Rogan 34:38 (gasps)

Jon Peters 34:38 Now, I'm from the valley, so I said, "Just wait." She played Cinderella on television, that was her thing. So I said, "Wait here." I jumped in my car and I chased these guys down the street, I caught them at a signal. I came up next to them, I was about to hit them, he says, "No, no, no, I'm in her acting class, man. We're all actors. That was a joke," whatever it is. Many years later, I do Witches of Eastwick, and we're going to meet Jack Nicholson, and as I walk in, he looks at me and he says, "Hey, Cinderella sucks." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:07 It was him?

Jon Peters 35:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:10 It was him?

Jon Peters 35:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:11 That's hilarious.

Jon Peters 35:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 35:14 Holy shit.

Jon Peters 35:15 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 35:17 Oh my God, that's hilarious.

Jon Peters 35:19 Yeah, no, I've got, I've got s-

Joe Rogan 35:20 You almost beat up Jack Nicholson.

Jon Peters 35:22 Yeah, no, but I mean, it was like-

Joe Rogan 35:23 That's hilarious that it's him all those years later.

Jon Peters 35:26 I was, yeah, I was defending what I thought was my-

Joe Rogan 35:27 That's incredible.

Jon Peters 35:28 ... my pregnant lady.

Joe Rogan 35:30 How fucking good is he in The Shining?

Jon Peters 35:31 Yeah, no, he's, he's-

Joe Rogan 35:32 I watched that again recently too. God.

Jon Peters 35:36 He's a, he's a-

Joe Rogan 35:37 He's a genius.

Jon Peters 35:38 Yeah, he's a genius.

Joe Rogan 35:38 There's a few of those guys that like, they, they... have you ever seen the video? I'm sure you have. There's a video of him warming up for his scene where he, uh, goes through the bathroom door with a hatchet.

Jon Peters 35:46 Yeah. I saw it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 And he's just like jumping around the room-

Jon Peters 35:49 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:49 ... and getting so fired up.

Jon Peters 35:51 Oh, yeah, he's crazy.

Joe Rogan 35:51 I'm like, "Goddamn."

Jon Peters 35:51 And he's a, and he's a, he does, he never knew how to fight, but he's a tough guy.

Joe Rogan 35:54 Yeah, well-

Jon Peters 35:55 He'll fight if he has to. He's got-

Joe Rogan 35:56 He was an extraordinary-

Jon Peters 35:57 ... big strong legs.

Joe Rogan 35:58 ... talent.

Jon Peters 35:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:59 There's just people that just like captivate a story. And so like when you're, when you're like casting, when you, when you're like putting together a film-

Jon Peters 36:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:06 ... and you got a big film that's very important to you, how do you know who the right guy is? Like do you just go on instinct?

Jon Peters 36:12 How do you know who the good fighters are? They speak to you.

Joe Rogan 36:15 Hmm.

Jon Peters 36:16 They speak to me.In other words, I knew that, that Brad and Angelina together in The Right Thing would be amazing, right? And it's a love story, fell apart. So I'm gonna get Brad again and I'm gonna try to get Margot Robbie or somebody like that. But I, if somebody... if I get it for a guy, I wanna work with him.

Joe Rogan 36:34 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 36:34 If a girl gives it to me, I wanna work with her. I, I... they speak to me.

Joe Rogan 36:38 They speak to you?

Jon Peters 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 So it's... for, for you, it's just-

Jon Peters 36:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 ... about how you communicate with them, what, what-

Jon Peters 36:41 Yeah. Yeah, and when... their energies, what they've done.

Joe Rogan 36:44 The feeling you get off of them. Right.

Jon Peters 36:45 Victor Belfort, when I saw him the first time roll with a couple of, like, three guys in a row. And when Catherine Zeta-Jones went, "Whoo, amazing," his balls were hanging. (laughs) You know, there were those little tight things on.

Joe Rogan 36:56 (laughs)

Jon Peters 36:56 He's ripped like shit.

Joe Rogan 36:58 (laughs)

Jon Peters 36:58 I come in, like, you know, I'm doing my sit-ups and stuff, you know? So, um, no, it's just like I have a gift of, of instinct. You know what I mean? Look, I've been following you from the beginning, man. Of all the people in the whole world, whether it matters, you're the only one that I wanted to talk to, 'cause I figured you're the only one who would get what I am. I couldn't talk fights with anybody, and I really love it more than anything.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Well, I appreciate that very much. And it's a honor, it's a honor to have you on, really is.

Jon Peters 37:23 Yes. Oh, man. So I'd love to come back another time, sometime maybe.

Joe Rogan 37:27 You can stay on now.

Jon Peters 37:28 Oh, good. Okay, great.

Joe Rogan 37:29 You don't have to end.

Jon Peters 37:29 Great, great, great, great.

Joe Rogan 37:29 We can keep going, man.

Jon Peters 37:30 Great, great. So listen.

Joe Rogan 37:31 (laughs)

Jon Peters 37:32 So I'm gonna tell you something that's not supposed to be... I shouldn't say this, but-

Joe Rogan 37:35 Don't, don't.

Jon Peters 37:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:36 Don't get yourself in trouble.

Jon Peters 37:37 Okay, I don't wanna get in trouble.

Joe Rogan 37:37 I think you already got in a little trouble probably.

Jon Peters 37:39 I did already. I... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:41 (laughs)

Jon Peters 37:42 All I can tell you is-

Joe Rogan 37:42 I really... I love that. I love that you're you, though.

Jon Peters 37:45 Oh, I mean...

Joe Rogan 37:45 You know what I'm saying? But I love that.

Jon Peters 37:47 I am...

Joe Rogan 37:47 That's, uh, that's the hardest thing that people have. It's the hardest problem.

Jon Peters 37:49 I don't know how to be anything else.

Joe Rogan 37:51 So many people, they get stuck in a job where they can't be themselves.

Jon Peters 37:54 My sister died yesterday.

Joe Rogan 37:55 What?

Jon Peters 37:55 Yeah. And I found out at 3 o'clock in the afternoon, and it we-... really shook me up because she has five kids. She was 58. She had had... been having a hard time, but she just had a fall and thing and a blood clot and this, that and the rest.

Joe Rogan 38:09 Oh.

Jon Peters 38:10 So, you know, I didn't wanna cancel this, 'cause it's more important to me. I'll be there tomorrow. I'll take... help take care of the business, the k-... she has a husband, she has a husband, but these things happen. And I told you, when that happened with my dad, it, it hardened me. It hardened me. And not until I met Julia did sh- did she really open my heart, and then came craziness, drugs, 'cause my heart was open. I was feeling good and bad things. Once you open that door, man, a lot of shit comes out. And that door can be opened by your children, by your wife, or whoever.

Joe Rogan 38:50 Yeah.

Jon Peters 38:50 But it... not everything comes out good.

Joe Rogan 38:52 So you realized before that, that you were kinda protecting who you were?

Jon Peters 38:56 Totally. I was numb. I was dating 20 women at a time. My plane would pick them up in Paris and bring them here and do and jacuzzi and this and covers of magazines. I was like a mag-

Joe Rogan 39:05 So you were distracting yourself with all this stuff.

Jon Peters 39:07 Totally, totally.

Joe Rogan 39:08 Yeah.

Jon Peters 39:08 Till I met this woman therapist, uh, Dr. Vita, and I just sat on her couch and we both cried. She held me for an hour and we... I began to unravel the mys- the mystery.

Joe Rogan 39:20 Have you done much psychedelic drugs?

Jon Peters 39:23 Uh, c- early on.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Early on?

Jon Peters 39:25 Yeah. Psilocybin.

Joe Rogan 39:26 How long early on?

Jon Peters 39:30 Not like today, probably 30 years ago.

Joe Rogan 39:31 How come you haven't done it more recently?

Jon Peters 39:33 Because anxiety scares me, and I'm afraid if I lose control, I... what's gonna happen?

Joe Rogan 39:38 Oh. You know, the way to get over that is to do it slowly, like a microdose.

Jon Peters 39:43 That's what my girl wants to do.

Joe Rogan 39:44 Yeah.

Jon Peters 39:44 She thinks microdose.

Joe Rogan 39:46 I think it would be good for everybody. It's... you know what? It's really good for soldiers, for soldiers who come back with PTSD.

Jon Peters 39:52 Yeah, that's me.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah.

Jon Peters 39:53 I'm a soldier that came back from... with PT-... did.

Joe Rogan 39:56 Yeah, so-

Jon Peters 39:56 Went to juvie. My early beginning, my stepfather beat my mother up every night.

Joe Rogan 40:01 Oh.

Jon Peters 40:01 One day, I got a two-by-four and broke both his legs. That's how I got to juvie.

Joe Rogan 40:04 Yeah. That's, uh-

Jon Peters 40:05 Uh...

Joe Rogan 40:05 ... 100% the same kind of thing.

Jon Peters 40:07 Yeah. I used to watch him for a year.

Joe Rogan 40:08 Trauma.

Jon Peters 40:08 Blood, blood, yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:10 Yeah, that's real PTSD.

Jon Peters 40:11 And he would... and he would drink, you know, and-

Joe Rogan 40:13 That... and that affects kids-

Jon Peters 40:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:15 ... sometimes in a way that they don't even realize until they're adults.

Jon Peters 40:16 When I would fight, Joe, I didn't feel the punches ever. I went right through everybody. I never lost a fight. And I was a gymnast

Narrator 40:24 ... though, far.

Joe Rogan 40:25 You never lost a fight?

Jon Peters 40:26 Never. Now, a l-... a lot of reasons. I wasn't a professional fighter and I could choose where I got... it was the only re-... is uh-

Joe Rogan 40:31 So you just made good choices.

Jon Peters 40:32 I made good choices.

Joe Rogan 40:34 Yeah.

Jon Peters 40:35 I made good choices. Absolutely. Could I have lost a lot of them? Yes. I started training. This fella took a liking to me years ago. His name was Art Aragon, and he's a Spanish fighter.

Joe Rogan 40:45 That's a great name.

Jon Peters 40:46 Yeah. He's a Spanish fighter, and woo, he had razor blades for hands. And he, early on, taught me how to box and... so I had a mixture of lots of things. And Bob Otto. We've been talking about Bob Otto. My grandfather, who worked for the May Company, was a big department store, the Italian side, Pagano, he ran the alterations department, and he had a lot of people working for him. And so in the valley, he had a couple of acres and he had a house, and one of the houses his gardener lives on, his gardener was Bob Otto, the early teachers of the Gracies dad. And, uh, he started ta-... uh, h- he... first thing he'd ever did was choke me out with my own jacket. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:25 What was Bob Otto's style?

Jon Peters 41:27 Uh, ju-... I don't know. Jujitsu.

Joe Rogan 41:29 So wh-... when you say early teacher of the Gracies dad, what do you mean?

Jon Peters 41:32 Well, he, he... in other words, he-

Joe Rogan 41:33 He trained with them?

Jon Peters 41:34 He, he-

Joe Rogan 41:35 Is that what you mean?

Jon Peters 41:36 They, uh... when I met them and I brought it up, they acknowledged him, and his dad had known him. On what degree, I-

Joe Rogan 41:42 Oh, so they trained together, some-

Jon Peters 41:43 Uh, they may have, or their reputation maybe-

Joe Rogan 41:45 Okay.

Jon Peters 41:45 ... because Otto was hu-... had the two schools, 500 kids. I mean, had a big operation.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Right.

Jon Peters 41:53 So I l- he... I learned early because I... the way I was going to Van Nuys and Van Nuys Junior High School in those days, uh, was, uh, all, uh, Hispanic, a lot of fighting.

Joe Rogan 42:06 Hmm.You know who's a super legit martial artist and an actor is Chuck Norris.

Jon Peters 42:12 I trained with him for four years.

Joe Rogan 42:13 Did you really?

Jon Peters 42:14 Yeah, I'm in terrible heart.

Joe Rogan 42:15 No kidding.

Jon Peters 42:16 With my son, yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:17 What years were this?

Jon Peters 42:18 I don't know. A long time ago.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Wow.

Jon Peters 42:20 Yeah, yeah, I trained with him.

Joe Rogan 42:21 Chuck Norris was a-

Jon Peters 42:22 Those kicks.

Joe Rogan 42:23 ... legit karate champion. Yep. Incredible kicks.

Jon Peters 42:25 (hands clap) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:26 And then recognized-

Jon Peters 42:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:27 ... that he needed to learn jujitsu, went to the Machados and got his black belt in jujitsu.

Jon Peters 42:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 He's legit.

Jon Peters 42:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:32 100% above board.

Jon Peters 42:33 Yeah, yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 42:33 He brought in the Machados to all of his Chuck Norris academies.

Jon Peters 42:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:36 They all taught them. They were, they were all, like, humbled. They, like, realized, like, "Oh my God, I'm so vulnerable."

Jon Peters 42:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:41 All these guys back in that day-

Jon Peters 42:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:44 ... like in the Gracie in Action series-

Jon Peters 42:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:45 ... all these guys who thought they were killers-

Jon Peters 42:47 I know.

Joe Rogan 42:47 ... they were so vulnerable, they had no idea.

Jon Peters 42:49 I understand. I was there.

Joe Rogan 42:50 It was amazing.

Jon Peters 42:51 Watching those guys do four or five fights a night.

Joe Rogan 42:54 Yeah. Incredible.

Jon Peters 42:55 When that crazy man came in with the cross, and-

Joe Rogan 42:57 Kimo.

Jon Peters 42:58 ... and-

Joe Rogan 42:58 Yeah.

Jon Peters 42:58 ... ponytail him. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:59 Yeah, Royce is grabbing him by the ponytail and punched him in the face.

Jon Peters 43:02 Yeah, yeah, I know. I loved it, man.

Joe Rogan 43:03 Yeah, it was incredible.

Jon Peters 43:04 I loved it.

Joe Rogan 43:04 Caught him in an arm bar.

Jon Peters 43:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:05 It was a... That was a, like a full... We, we talked about it the other day. It was like a four-minute something fight.

Jon Peters 43:10 How about that, that Oriental guy and, and, and the fireman holding each other, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Joe Rogan 43:17 Oh, yeah, Takayama and Don Frye.

Jon Peters 43:19 Don Frye, wow.

Joe Rogan 43:20 Don "Predator" Frye.

Jon Peters 43:20 If he could move.

Joe Rogan 43:22 He was one of the toughest men that's ever lived.

Jon Peters 43:23 Wow.

Joe Rogan 43:24 That guy was a fucking monster.

Jon Peters 43:26 Amazing man.

Joe Rogan 43:26 He's, uh, all banged up now because of all his surgeries and-

Jon Peters 43:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:30 He did some pro wrestling too, which is not so good on-

Jon Peters 43:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 ... the back either. You know, Don Frye was a beast.

Jon Peters 43:35 Yeah. I've had a lot of... uh, my back, it's been a problem too.

Joe Rogan 43:38 Yeah, everybody that trains-

Jon Peters 43:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:40 ... trains hard.

Jon Peters 43:40 Well, you can't... Well, you'll see when you get older.

Joe Rogan 43:42 Yeah. I'm old.

Jon Peters 43:43 Yeah. You're a baby.

Joe Rogan 43:43 I'm 55.

Jon Peters 43:44 Yeah, you're a baby.

Joe Rogan 43:45 I'm a baby? Oh, nice.

Jon Peters 43:46 I'm 22 years older than you.

Joe Rogan 43:47 Oh, fuck me.

Jon Peters 43:47 Come on, you're a baby.

Joe Rogan 43:48 I'm a baby.

Jon Peters 43:49 You look like a teenager, man.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Yeah, like a teenager.

Jon Peters 43:51 Look at your life.

Joe Rogan 43:51 Like a little kid.

Jon Peters 43:52 Look at your life.

Joe Rogan 43:52 Yeah, well, basically childlike.

Jon Peters 43:53 You smoked a joint-

Joe Rogan 43:54 Yes.

Jon Peters 43:54 ... and you made your life work. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:56 Very childlike in that regard.

Jon Peters 43:57 No, inspirational.

Joe Rogan 43:59 Oh, thank you.

Jon Peters 44:00 Because it's exploring the things that you really dig and like. And it's inspirational. A lot of cool people in here. I love everybody.

Joe Rogan 44:06 Well, I'm very fortunate. I'm very fortunate that I can have conversations like this with you.

Jon Peters 44:10 Thanks. Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 44:10 It's fun.

Jon Peters 44:11 Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan 44:11 So it's-

Jon Peters 44:11 Thanks, thanks.

Joe Rogan 44:11 It means a lot to me.

Jon Peters 44:12 Means a lot to me too, man.

Joe Rogan 44:13 It's a cool thing, cool thing to be able to do.

Jon Peters 44:15 Means a lot, me too.

Joe Rogan 44:15 And I'm glad you chose this.

Jon Peters 44:17 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 44:17 It's all honor.

Jon Peters 44:17 It's I wanted, and I-

Joe Rogan 44:18 I'm honored.

Jon Peters 44:19 ... I, I said to Dana, I said, "He's the only one who'll get me. Otherwise, there's no point." What's the point?

Joe Rogan 44:23 Yeah. Well, when Dana contacted me, he's like, "I hate fucking doing this."

Jon Peters 44:26 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 44:27 He, he always... Because he doesn't do it with most of the times people-

Jon Peters 44:29 I, I, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 44:30 But with you I went-

Jon Peters 44:31 Yes. Yes.

Joe Rogan 44:31 ... "Fuck yeah, let's go."

Jon Peters 44:32 Well.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Let's go."

Jon Peters 44:33 I'll tell you a story that he won't tell you.

Joe Rogan 44:35 Uh-oh. (laughs)

Jon Peters 44:35 He, he, uh-

Joe Rogan 44:36 Don't, don't tell me this.

Jon Peters 44:37 He, he-

Joe Rogan 44:37 Don't tell me the whole world. If Dana won't tell me-

Jon Peters 44:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:40 ... don't tell the whole world.

Jon Peters 44:41 Yeah, I'll tell the world.

Joe Rogan 44:42 Okay.

Jon Peters 44:43 So he... I called him up and I said, "Look, Dana," I said, uh, "I got an idea. Let me do a, a little special on the fighting girls of the UFC."

Joe Rogan 44:53 Hmm.

Jon Peters 44:53 He said, "Done." So I said, "Okay." So I put together a team. I started putting this thing together. I had these amazing girls hosting it. It was incredible. He calls me back, almost when it's done, actually it was almost done. We were just done editing. He said, uh, "Can't do it." Uh, "They don't want any outside producers." Um, and I'd already spent 60 grand. So I went, "That's cool, man. I love you." I said, "I don't wanna cause a rift." He said, y- you know, "You said yes right away because you love me, not thinking that the new company has rules. And, uh, I'm a kind of an outlaw in Hollywood, so I get it." And that was that. And he was a mensch too. When I called him, I said, "Look, I need a favor. I really wanna do this before I die." I said, "It's important to me that we speak and then take a look at it and see what I look like, because I w- I don't know really." And, uh, he said, "I'll talk to him." That was it.

Joe Rogan 45:46 (laughs) Well, I love Dana to death. So anytime Dana has something like that, I'm down for it.

Jon Peters 45:53 Yeah, that was really sweet.

Joe Rogan 45:54 He's the best.

Jon Peters 45:54 Yeah, he is.

Joe Rogan 45:55 I love that guy.

Jon Peters 45:56 I, I do too in a way.

Joe Rogan 45:57 You know what I say in every weigh-in? I said, "Dana White," when I wanna introduce everybody, I say, "Dana White. Without him, none of this would be possible."

Jon Peters 46:02 None of it. None of it.

Joe Rogan 46:05 Yeah. He's, uh... You gotta realize, like, the success that it has now-

Jon Peters 46:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:08 ... a lot of it is that guy's driving force.

Jon Peters 46:10 Heartbeat.

Joe Rogan 46:11 He's um, a fucking maniac.

Jon Peters 46:12 Heartbeat.

Joe Rogan 46:13 Yeah.

Jon Peters 46:13 His heartbeat.

Joe Rogan 46:14 He lives for it.

Jon Peters 46:15 Your heartbeat.

Joe Rogan 46:16 He lives for it.

Jon Peters 46:16 The Wrestler Guy.

Joe Rogan 46:17 Yeah.

Jon Peters 46:17 I love him, the heartbeat. Dana, he-

Joe Rogan 46:19 Dana and I, I'll call him sometimes at like midnight and we'll talk on the phone for like two hours.

Jon Peters 46:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:23 Just talk about fights.

Jon Peters 46:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:24 Just talk about fights.

Jon Peters 46:25 Yeah. I can do that too. Not as good as you guys, but-

Joe Rogan 46:27 (laughs)

Jon Peters 46:27 ... you see, I do know a little bit, you know.

Joe Rogan 46:30 Yeah. Well, we've seen them all.

Jon Peters 46:31 Yeah. I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 46:32 That's so crazy.

Jon Peters 46:33 Up close. I know, I know.

Joe Rogan 46:34 I probably seen like a thousand fights plus up close.

Jon Peters 46:36 Yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:37 At least.

Jon Peters 46:37 You know, um, the fella, the Brazilian kid that is so damn good looking. Every... did he do not s-

Joe Rogan 46:45 Paulo Costa?

Jon Peters 46:46 Yeah. Did he not... He looked like he was doing fine. He, he didn't use all of the body shots he could have in the last, uh-

Joe Rogan 46:50 Well, Luke Rockhold is a bad motherfucker.

Jon Peters 46:53 That's what I mean.

Joe Rogan 46:53 That's what it is.

Jon Peters 46:54 It was a tough fight for him.

Joe Rogan 46:55 It's a tough fight.

Jon Peters 46:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:55 If Luke Rockhold was in his prime, it'd be a way tougher fight. If you fought... If he fought the Luke Rockhold that beat Chris Weidman, who's one of the greatest middleweights that's ever lived, he was a fucking machine.

Jon Peters 47:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:04 But the reality of that kind of level of competition is you can only maintain it for so long.

Jon Peters 47:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:09 Like every human body has a, an expiration date, you know, where you start getting too injured and too fucked up. And, and Luke has been dealing with a lot of that himself. He's just not totally healthy. He's got-

Jon Peters 47:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:19 He's banged up. So all these guys, when they get to that point, there's like this point where they're like, or they're just firing on all cylinders. And that only lasts for like a few years.

Jon Peters 47:28 Yeah, I know. I lived it.

Joe Rogan 47:30 Yeah, I'm sure you did. Slightly differently, but yeah.

Jon Peters 47:32 No, but I've lived it three or four times.

Joe Rogan 47:34 Yeah. How so?

Jon Peters 47:36 Well, first time was in the fashion business.

Joe Rogan 47:39 That's not the same as fighting. (laughs)

Jon Peters 47:40 Well, no, c- career, career, career.

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yes, yes.

Jon Peters 47:43 Career.

Joe Rogan 47:44 Career.

Jon Peters 47:44 Career.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Career.

Jon Peters 47:45 Career.

Joe Rogan 47:45 Career.

Jon Peters 47:45 His, his-

Joe Rogan 47:45 But I'm saying like with a, with a fighter, they can't come back.

Jon Peters 47:47 It, but it is the same of fighting.

Joe Rogan 47:49 So-

Jon Peters 47:49 Except I'm fighting 500 people to get it done. See-

Joe Rogan 47:52 Okay.

Jon Peters 47:52 It, it, it's, it, it, it is the same because I've used that analogy throughout my career knowing that I could kick the ass of anybody I was doing business with. It ha- gave me an edge in the meeting, in my mind.

Joe Rogan 48:04 In your mind?

Jon Peters 48:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:05 Right.

Jon Peters 48:05 So now putting it all together, doing it together, sacrificing, doing it, getting it out, having a movie be a hit, it's hard. Really hard.

Joe Rogan 48:13 I'm sure it's hard. The thing-

Jon Peters 48:14 It's, it's not like fighting. I understand that.

Joe Rogan 48:15 The thing about... The reason why it's not like fighting is because the fighter's body stops working.

Jon Peters 48:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:18 And their mind wants to continue.

Jon Peters 48:20 Yeah. Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 48:20 Their, their body just can't do it anymore.

Jon Peters 48:22 In a funny way-... it happens in, uh, my business too.

Joe Rogan 48:25 Uh, it happens, I think it parallels in all forms of life.

Jon Peters 48:27 If you're, if you're in the upper one-tenth of 1%, you do have a time when it's all over.

Joe Rogan 48:32 I think that's with everything in life.

Jon Peters 48:33 It is.

Joe Rogan 48:34 I think that is. I think that's, uh, and I think that's the cycle that's supposed to take place, and then new people come up and-

Jon Peters 48:39 It is, it does.

Joe Rogan 48:40 It's beautiful.

Jon Peters 48:40 Absolutely. It's true.

Joe Rogan 48:40 It's beautiful. And, you know, in a, a, a good culture, the new people salute the people that were there before them.

Jon Peters 48:46 100%.

Joe Rogan 48:47 Yeah. And it's a, it's a-

Jon Peters 48:48 Yes, yes, I agree.

Joe Rogan 48:49 It's mutually beneficial and it's also beautiful.

Jon Peters 48:51 Yes.

Joe Rogan 48:51 It's beautiful to see the art form carry on.

Jon Peters 48:53 Yes. It is.

Joe Rogan 48:54 Whatever you're doing.

Jon Peters 48:54 When I saw, when I saw Top Gun and I called, uh, Bruckheimer and he... wherever he was, he called me back, 'cause I worked with him on Flashdance. He-

Joe Rogan 49:04 Oh, wow, Flashdance.

Jon Peters 49:06 I hired him as, I hired him as my line producer.

Joe Rogan 49:08 God damn, he did so many good movies.

Jon Peters 49:09 Thank you.

Joe Rogan 49:12 Pull up his IMDb. It's crazy.

Jon Peters 49:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:15 It's wild to see.

Jon Peters 49:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:16 Just, I mean, just producing, how many, how many did you produce?

Jon Peters 49:20 A- as far as producing executive, 'cause in our case, executive produce is the same thing.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Right.

Jon Peters 49:24 'Cause we, we own it, see?

Joe Rogan 49:25 Right, right, right.

Jon Peters 49:25 So we put everybody, it's like Joe, like Dana, you know?

Joe Rogan 49:28 But what's the overall number though?

Jon Peters 49:29 Oh, I don't know, with everything? Uh, 80, 90, something like that.

Joe Rogan 49:33 (laughs)

Jon Peters 49:33 You know?

Joe Rogan 49:33 And so many fucking hits.

Jon Peters 49:35 Yeah, yeah, well but, but you know-

Joe Rogan 49:36 So many hits.

Jon Peters 49:37 Uh-

Joe Rogan 49:37 American Werewolf of London, Caddyshack, The Main Event, Eyes of Laura Mars, that's a fucking classic.

Jon Peters 49:45 Good-

Joe Rogan 49:45 I haven't thought about that movie in a long time. Vision Quest, the greatest wrestling movie of all time. What was The Legend of Billie Jean?

Jon Peters 49:53 It was a story about, uh, a young girl who took charge of her life because she was, her mother was being raped by her father.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Oh.

Jon Peters 50:00 And she went after these guys and she was a fe- first female vigilante.

Joe Rogan 50:04 Put a, click on that. I know I saw that. I know I saw that. But that was from '85? Oh, yeah.

Jon Peters 50:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:13 I remember this movie.

Jon Peters 50:14 I loved her man, she was a wonderful lady.

Joe Rogan 50:17 I remember this movie.

Jon Peters 50:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:19 All right, go back to IMDb. Female vigilante. You ever (laughs) Gambler with Madonna, The Color Purple. Wow.

Jon Peters 50:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:29 Clan of the Cave Bear, that was, um-

Jon Peters 50:31 Yeah. Dude, that girl is gorgeous. (snaps fingers) I forgot her name.

Joe Rogan 50:34 God dammit.

Jon Peters 50:35 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there she is. Daryl Hannah.

Joe Rogan 50:38 Daryl Hannah.

Jon Peters 50:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:39 I have a Daryl Hannah story.

Jon Peters 50:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 When I first moved to Hollywood, this was like 1994, I was at Canter's Deli and I was sitting tableside to Daryl Hannah and a couple of her friends. And I couldn't fucking believe-

Jon Peters 50:52 How beautiful-

Joe Rogan 50:52 ... that it was Daryl, first of all, she's so beautiful, no makeup-

Jon Peters 50:55 Right, right.

Joe Rogan 50:55 ... just sitting there chilling.

Jon Peters 50:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 50:56 And looked so normal, just hanging. I'm like, "That's Daryl fucking Hannah." And she's just sitting next to me at Canter's.

Jon Peters 51:02 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:03 And they were, uh, they were real friendly. Everybody was real friendly. "Hey, what's up? How you doing?" Blah, blah, bla- you know, she recognized that everybody was gonna know who she was, but she was like, so casual.

Jon Peters 51:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:11 And they were playing some sort of a game, some sort of a trivia game.

Jon Peters 51:14 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 51:15 And, uh, she looked to me and I had to answer, just luckily. It was like some state.

Jon Peters 51:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:18 You know some- And I, I go, it's like Kentucky. And, and, and it was, whatever it was. I don't remember what the answer was. But like, I was... and that was it. That was all of our interaction, but I was like, "She's so nice, like, so normal."

Jon Peters 51:28 She is.

Joe Rogan 51:29 "She's a person."

Jon Peters 51:29 She is.

Joe Rogan 51:30 Even though she's Daryl fucking Hannah.

Jon Peters 51:32 A big star.

Joe Rogan 51:32 Like it was one of the first people that I'd ever like, sat next to-

Jon Peters 51:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:34 ... that was that famous. So I was a little like weirded out by it, like-

Jon Peters 51:37 Yeah. See, I grew up with that because my uncles, the Paganos, the Italian bro- twins, they did Marilyn Monroe, they did all the movie stars. So when I was a little kid, I was in their beauty shop.

Joe Rogan 51:48 Wow.

Jon Peters 51:48 And I got married-

Joe Rogan 51:49 So when was the first time you saw, uh, like a movie star? How old were you?

Jon Peters 51:52 Oh, three.

Joe Rogan 51:53 Whoa. So it wasn't even weird to you?

Jon Peters 51:57 No.

Joe Rogan 51:58 Huh.

Jon Peters 51:58 And then I did it, her- their hair. See? I'd do-

Joe Rogan 52:01 Right.

Jon Peters 52:01 ... your f- you know, on the magazine thing, clients come, they tell their friends. I was doing 30, 40 people a day.

Joe Rogan 52:11 So how did you go from- he- it was it Barbara Streisand?

Jon Peters 52:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:13 You went from hair to movies?

Jon Peters 52:14 It was basically Barbara, yeah. I met her, I put the word out that I wanted to meet her and I'd go anywhere, anytime, any place for free, and I knew the free would get her. And I was-

Joe Rogan 52:22 So are you a hustler?

Jon Peters 52:23 Yeah, baby, I am-

Joe Rogan 52:25 (laughs)

Jon Peters 52:25 ... a motherfucker every sense of the goddamn word, man. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:28 What a crazy question. What a crazy question to ask someone.

Jon Peters 52:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:31 Such a strange question.

Jon Peters 52:32 I don't know, is Dana White a hustler? Are you a hustler?

Joe Rogan 52:34 Yeah.

Jon Peters 52:35 Okay.

Joe Rogan 52:35 Yeah.

Jon Peters 52:35 So you hustle, right?

Joe Rogan 52:36 Yeah.

Jon Peters 52:37 Even when your leg hurts, you hustle. Me too.

Joe Rogan 52:39 Yeah.

Jon Peters 52:39 The only difference is that I had to deal with overwhelming anxiety, which I have now pretty much got under control.

Joe Rogan 52:46 What star- well, that's another thing that mushrooms tend to help against.

Jon Peters 52:48 Just in ju- just going into the fight, 'cause everything was like a fight to me.

Joe Rogan 52:51 Right. So you were constantly on edge.

Jon Peters 52:52 Yeah, so when I was a kid and we were at Van Nuys Junior High School and one of the Chicanos told me off, we'd- I'd meet them in the back of the gym. 500 kids would show up and we'd go at it. (slap) I'd take them out, I'd wrestle them down, boom, wrap up, that was it.

Joe Rogan 53:04 Really?

Jon Peters 53:04 And it happened about 30 times.

Joe Rogan 53:06 Interesting.

Jon Peters 53:06 People would challenge me, the kids would come and I always had a sense of dramatic. You know, one time I knew I couldn't beat this kid, there was the bleachers, he was standing there. I went up on the beat- bleachers and I did a Superman punch, I dove off the bleachers and hit him like that (laughs) and knocked him out, you know?

Joe Rogan 53:21 Really?

Jon Peters 53:22 I went this way, that way, and he went out. Yeah. I didn't know it was a Superman punch. I used the bleachers as a, as a launching pad for my punch.

Joe Rogan 53:30 That's a creative maneuver.

Jon Peters 53:32 Yeah, I'm a creative guy.

Joe Rogan 53:33 I get it. (laughs)

Jon Peters 53:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:36 I never got in any street fights like that.

Jon Peters 53:38 Yeah. One t-

Joe Rogan 53:38 I avoided them all.

Jon Peters 53:39 One time. Yeah, I was smart, but I was hurt.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Yeah, I was like, "All right, I gotta get the fuck out of here."

Jon Peters 53:42 My, my dad died.

Joe Rogan 53:43 Yeah.

Jon Peters 53:43 I was in a lot of pain.

Joe Rogan 53:44 I get it.

Jon Peters 53:45 I didn't feel the punches. I didn't feel nothing.

Joe Rogan 53:47 Yeah, but that-

Jon Peters 53:48 I got shot right in the chest, I didn't feel it.

Joe Rogan 53:50 You got shot in your chest?

Jon Peters 53:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:51 What caliber?

Jon Peters 53:52 22.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Wow.

Jon Peters 53:53 So it stayed.

Joe Rogan 53:54 Why did somebody shoot you?

Jon Peters 53:55 Uh, it was a gang fight and guy brought a couple of guns, and this guy shot the gun and the bullet hit me in the chest. And then like many years later when I married Leslie Ann Warren, who was a big Broadway star, we went to the doctor and the guy took me in the room. He says... I said, "What?" He says, "You know you got a bullet in your chest?" I said, "Shh, don't tell anybody." It was in the fatty part of the thing and it's still there right now.

Joe Rogan 54:15 You have, still have a bullet right now?

Jon Peters 54:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 54:16 So if you go through an x-ray it just shows up?

Jon Peters 54:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Is that good to have lead in your body the whole time?

Jon Peters 54:21 They, doctors have said it's okay. It's in like a fatty part of my body.

Joe Rogan 54:25 Yeah, but isn't lead toxic?

Jon Peters 54:27 Probably.

Joe Rogan 54:27 Yeah.

Jon Peters 54:27 It probably should come out, but do I wanna be cut?

Joe Rogan 54:30 Yeah.

Jon Peters 54:30 No.

Joe Rogan 54:32 Yeah.

Jon Peters 54:32 You know, when you get my age-

Joe Rogan 54:33 Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah.

Jon Peters 54:35 ... I'm done.

Joe Rogan 54:36 How far in it... how far did it go in? Oh, it's only like an inch in?

Jon Peters 54:40 Yeah, in this part.

Joe Rogan 54:41 I might take it out myself.

Jon Peters 54:42 In this part. Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:45 (laughs)

Jon Peters 54:45 You got an operating room behind this thing. That's good. Smoke another joint, now we'll be a surgeon.

Joe Rogan 54:49 I got this little Benchmade pocketknife.

Jon Peters 54:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:52 We're, we're good to go. I'll take that fucker out for you. Yeah, it's, um, I don't think it's good to have b- blood in your body.

Jon Peters 54:57 No, probably not.

Joe Rogan 54:58 No? Probably not.

Jon Peters 54:58 But, you know, you get to a point like me where every day that's a good day. I, every day I'm, I'm grateful.

Joe Rogan 55:04 I hear you.

Jon Peters 55:05 And I have to work on it.

Joe Rogan 55:06 Yeah, I hear you.

Jon Peters 55:07 And I can't be around negativity.

Joe Rogan 55:10 Well, that's a good rule for everybody in life.

Jon Peters 55:12 You, when my, you're my age, you can be. When you're old, when you're younger, it's not so easy. But f- w- for me, I don't do it.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Yeah, it's not necessary.

Jon Peters 55:19 I t- all my people go to therapy. All my people talk about their feelings.

Joe Rogan 55:23 Whoa.

Jon Peters 55:24 Everybody I have works on themselves. Otherwise they can't be there, because I, I'm, I'm a... Somebody called me a shaman one once. But I see things in people, and if it's not g- good and I can't help, makes me anxious.

Joe Rogan 55:37 Well, you kinda are a shaman if you're leading people in a spiritual direction.

Jon Peters 55:40 And I put-

Joe Rogan 55:41 You're trying to get as many pe-

Jon Peters 55:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:42 The problem with the word shaman is it comes with like-

Jon Peters 55:44 It, yes.

Joe Rogan 55:44 ... culty thinking.

Jon Peters 55:46 Yes. I, I try to help-

Joe Rogan 55:47 Right.

Jon Peters 55:48 ... with money, with spirituality. I spend a lot of my day h- helping people, you know.

Joe Rogan 55:53 Well, that's beautiful. That feels good, doesn't it?

Jon Peters 55:55 Oh, the best.

Joe Rogan 55:56 Yeah, it's nice.

Jon Peters 55:57 Tyson is maybe one of the consistently smartest guy I've listened to. With, uh, with all the guys on the thing, he's not articulate, he fumpers and shmupers, but sometimes he'll say some beautiful things, man.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Well, he's a thoughtful person.

Jon Peters 56:09 He's very. And, and-

Joe Rogan 56:10 And he knows a lot about history.

Jon Peters 56:12 And pain.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Yeah, he knows a lot about pain, for sure. He knows a lot about-

Jon Peters 56:15 I saw the whole thing on the kings and queens-

Joe Rogan 56:17 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 56:17 ... and all that shit. But-

Joe Rogan 56:18 Yeah.

Jon Peters 56:18 But more so, he's developing his emotional intelligence.

Joe Rogan 56:22 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 56:23 That's what gives you a happy life.

Joe Rogan 56:25 You know, I got to see, uh, two sides of Tyson because I got to see Mike when he was not fighting at all and he was just running that weed company. And he came in and we had the greatest time. We just got high as fuck, and laughed, and joked around. It was so much fun. And he said he doesn't even work out. And I said, "How come?" He goes, "I don't wanna reignite my ego."

Jon Peters 56:42 That's how I felt.

Joe Rogan 56:44 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 56:44 I was afraid to get back in the gym, starting this thing, and then I'm tough on people.

Joe Rogan 56:49 Mm.

Jon Peters 56:49 I lose my temper.

Joe Rogan 56:50 Mm.

Jon Peters 56:50 I get edgy. "What the fuck? Come on, man." Yes, that's exactly-

Joe Rogan 56:54 W- when-

Jon Peters 56:54 When he said that, I went, "Oh, I feel the same way."

Joe Rogan 56:56 He said something when he was leading up to that fight with Roy Jones Jr., the, the, the gods of war have reignited his ego.

Jon Peters 57:04 Yes, I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 57:05 (laughs)

Jon Peters 57:05 But so, isn't he the-

Joe Rogan 57:06 It's the greatest thing that could ever-

Jon Peters 57:07 ... if, if he can find 'em, he's gonna walk through 'em.

Joe Rogan 57:09 Yeah, well, i- in his prime, man, he was like no one ever before.

Jon Peters 57:13 Who?

Joe Rogan 57:13 Mike Tyson.

Jon Peters 57:14 Yes.

Joe Rogan 57:14 In his prime, he was like no one ever before.

Jon Peters 57:15 But he still hits damn hard. I can see-

Joe Rogan 57:17 Oh, my God, he does.

Jon Peters 57:17 ... how he torques his body.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Oh, my God, he w- he was training with Rafael Cordeiro, who was, uh, one of the original shoot to box instructors from the old, like, the, like, the legendary gym in Brazil.

Jon Peters 57:27 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 57:27 So, Rafael Cordeiro came over, now he's running Kings MMA.

Jon Peters 57:30 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:30 And Tyson went to him to train.

Jon Peters 57:32 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:32 So, Tyson was holding... or was, was hitting mitts with Rafael Cordeiro.

Jon Peters 57:35 Well, get him f-

Joe Rogan 57:36 And it was fucking phenomenal watching him rip off combinations.

Jon Peters 57:39 Oh, God.

Joe Rogan 57:40 He's like 55 years old.

Jon Peters 57:41 I know. Pa, pa, pap. Pap, pap, pap.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Yeah, yeah.

Jon Peters 57:42 Like, Jesus. Yeah, amazing.

Joe Rogan 57:44 Oh, my God, still.

Jon Peters 57:45 But he's, you have the same body, so do I. We're, we're-

Joe Rogan 57:48 I fucking definitely don't. (laughs)

Jon Peters 57:49 No, no, in the sense of compact and strong.

Joe Rogan 57:54 Mm-hmm.

Jon Peters 57:54 Not long and-

Joe Rogan 57:56 Relatively.

Jon Peters 57:56 ... and lean. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 57:58 I, I prefer short and thick. But what he is-

Jon Peters 58:01 Okay.

Joe Rogan 58:01 ... is, uh, he's, uh, like, he was a phenomenal combination of, like, a kid who came from a horrible background-

Jon Peters 58:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:09 ... to getting adopted by this guy who was a genius boxing instructor-

Jon Peters 58:11 I know, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:11 ... and having incredible work ethic-

Jon Peters 58:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:14 ... and having incredible genetics, and having incredible drive. You know, he was 190 pounds when he was 13 years old.

Jon Peters 58:20 Yeah, amazing.

Joe Rogan 58:21 Built like a fucking tank. And they, they... Teddy Atlas used to bring him to these smokers-

Jon Peters 58:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:25 ... and he said, uh, "He's 13." Like, "Get the fuck outta here, he's 16." They're like, "Okay, he's 16." So, he did fi- he'd have to fight 16-year-olds, 'cause nobody believed he was 13.

Jon Peters 58:32 You know, the thing about Mike is that w- what beat everybody was his brain. Mike was very smart.

Joe Rogan 58:39 Oh, he's very intense.

Jon Peters 58:40 Yeah. But he's smart.

Joe Rogan 58:41 You have to deal with that storm.

Jon Peters 58:41 He knew what to take from Gu- Gus.

Joe Rogan 58:44 Yes.

Jon Peters 58:44 He knew how to be open to it, he saw that Gus would-

Joe Rogan 58:48 Yes.

Jon Peters 58:48 Yeah, he's smart.

Joe Rogan 58:49 Well, Gus was a hypnotist. That's the other thing, he hypnotized Mike when he was very, very young.

Jon Peters 58:53 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:54 And he trained him to think of nothing but the task. Like, "You don't even exist, it's just the task. The task exists. Don't think about yourself."

Jon Peters 59:00 Yeah, I know. That's how I am.

Joe Rogan 59:01 He was fucking phenomenal.

Jon Peters 59:03 Yeah, you have to be that way. My partner, Peter Guber, God love his soul, yes, he was like that too. Everywhere we'd go, we'd fly around, he'd, he'd have 40 pages of notes and I had no notes 'cause I remember everything.

Joe Rogan 59:15 Don't you think that, like, for anything you wanna do in life, like, if you really wanna be at the top of your craft, you kinda have to be obsessed like that?

Jon Peters 59:22 Yes, you have to be.

Joe Rogan 59:23 You have to be.

Jon Peters 59:23 You have to be driven, you have to wanna be better.

Joe Rogan 59:26 Yeah.

Jon Peters 59:26 You have to, you have to almost feel like you're gonna die if you aren't.

Joe Rogan 59:30 That's where it mirrors itself in, like, everything in life, no matter what you're doing. If there's a thing that you find that you're obsessed with, no matter what that thing is, whether it's painting, w- making music, whatever that thing is, if you find that thing that you are obsessed with, that is the thing that's gonna bring you the most joy. But you gotta f- you gotta, like, give it everything you have.

Jon Peters 59:46 100%.

Joe Rogan 59:47 Yeah.

Jon Peters 59:48 That's what I did as a hairdresser when I was a hairdresser.

Joe Rogan 59:50 (laughs)

Jon Peters 59:51 That was my thing, man. I'd go to Paris, the collections, the girls. I was like, "Oh, my God, I'm in heaven." But I was... I loved doing hair. I loved it.

Joe Rogan 59:59 How did you get into hairdressing?

Jon Peters 1:00:01 When I got out of juvie, uh, my mother, uh, the judge said, "You have to put him somewhere." So, she put me in beauty school.

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 (laughs)

Jon Peters 1:00:09 And I had shot five guys, and, and-

Joe Rogan 1:00:12 You shot five guys?

Jon Peters 1:00:13 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:14 How'd you shoot 'em?

Jon Peters 1:00:15 Yeah. Um, it was an acci- I never said this before.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Five people by accident?

Jon Peters 1:00:20 Y- yeah, yeah. Well, no, it was a gang fight. It was a fight in s- in s- in San Fernando, and it was like 30 guys. And, uh, um-

Joe Rogan 1:00:28 Has the statute of limitations passed on this or should we edit this out?

Jon Peters 1:00:31 Yes, yes, yes.

Joe Rogan 1:00:32 You were out there shooting people.

Jon Peters 1:00:33 And, and, and, and it was, uh, somebody else's... everybody in wood shop was making a weapon.

Joe Rogan 1:00:40 (laughs) I remember that from high school.

Jon Peters 1:00:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 Oh, we used to make nunchucks and say they were table legs.

Jon Peters 1:00:45 Yes, yes, exactly.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Yeah.

Jon Peters 1:00:47 And when... yeah, that's what happened, and these, this guy came with these guns and these guys was, and I bang, bang, and then this guy... it was, it was... and then I was like, "Oh my God, what the fu-" That was the changing of my life. That, and when I was in juvie, a guy that I met from Boys Town, which was a, a, a, in the middle of the country, a place where a lot of fucked up kids would go. He came from Boys Town, he ran away, he went to juvie, and they, they weren't supposed to, they weren't supposed to have things and they covered it up, but he tried to get away and they shot him on the fence right in front of me and 30 other guys.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 Oh.

Jon Peters 1:01:21 And, uh, and, and, uh, he was, uh, "Fuck you." He was, he was... I said, "Man, you're gonna get killed. You gotta shut your fucking mouth. You gotta take it cool. If you're gonna get outta here, you gotta work your way out. You, there's no escaping this." Strong, big, blond haired guy, farmer boy. Years ago, and then I'm getting tired and I gotta go, but, um, uh, years ago, when I was with Lesley Ann Warren, I was... had a beauty shop and it was on the corner of Rodeo and Brighton Way. It was called the John Peters Salon. Uh, uh, um, OJ would come hunt the girls. Everybody'd hunt the girls 'cause I'd have like 40 or 50 beautiful girls getting their hair done all day long. This guy comes in. My mother happened to be working at the desk, and he comes in, in big overalls, big tall guy, and he, um, says, "I'm here to see, uh, Cinderella." You know, Lesley Ann Warren. And I, I came out, I said, "I'm her husband." And he was like a fan of Mission Impossible, whatever it was, I don't remember what at the time. Next thing I know, we went home that night and he had been there, in the colony. He had come to the colony. So I sent out a bunch of my guys 'cause a lot of the hairdressers I had were guys like you. They were tough kids that were smart and they w- and they, and they needed a chance, and they went to beauty school and they got out and they... women were lined up around the block for them.

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 It sounds like a movie.

Jon Peters 1:02:44 It is a mo- my life is like a crazy movie, right?

Joe Rogan 1:02:45 That does sound like a movie, a bunch of tough guy hairdressers-

Jon Peters 1:02:48 Yes, oh yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:48 ... out there protecting you.

Jon Peters 1:02:49 Right out in front with all the motorcycles all lined up.

Joe Rogan 1:02:52 Wow.

Jon Peters 1:02:52 So-

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 Tough guy hairdressers on motorcycles?

Jon Peters 1:02:55 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 That's a movie.

Jon Peters 1:02:56 They, and then, uh, the, when the thing was over, the LA Times said, "They don't make hairdressers like they used to," because the-

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 (laughs)

Jon Peters 1:03:03 ... the guy came- was coming into the house. He had a thir- a little pistol in his hand like this. He was walking in. I had a mezzanine. I looked at him. I was naked. I jumped on the mezzanine, off the mezzanine, jumped on him. He went through the pipe-

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 You jumped on him with his pistol?

Jon Peters 1:03:19 Oh, yeah, I dove right on top. I didn't see it until I was in the air.

Joe Rogan 1:03:22 Oh, Jesus.

Jon Peters 1:03:23 And, uh, he was like this and it was dark and it was, he was back lit.

Joe Rogan 1:03:26 And you're naked?

Jon Peters 1:03:27 And I was naked. Yeah, I was just... I woke up. I heard-

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 That's a-

Jon Peters 1:03:29 I could hear him walking around. I wasn't thinking. I just moved.

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 That's a surprise. Naked dude jumps on you from a mezzanine.

Jon Peters 1:03:37 And he ended up, ended up with 160 stitches because he came to rob, but he came to kidnap her.

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Jesus Christ.

Jon Peters 1:03:43 So we fought out into the, into the colony.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 Naked?

Jon Peters 1:03:47 Me naked and him in a farmer outfit. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 (laughs)

Jon Peters 1:03:51 Good thing I didn't get a hard one, right? Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:03:53 Yeah, good thing.

Jon Peters 1:03:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:54 You'd have questions. What the hell?

Jon Peters 1:03:56 It's, it's a true story.

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 I believe it.

Jon Peters 1:03:57 You could, you could look it up in the LA Times.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 That's a wild story, man. How have you had so many stories?

Jon Peters 1:04:02 Well, because m- I grew up John Wayne, Elvis. You know, I- I'm a s- living superhero even though I don't ever do anything, but in my mind I am.

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 Right, right.

Jon Peters 1:04:11 You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:04:11 'Cause those narratives are like stuck in your head.

Jon Peters 1:04:13 That's why I like Victor. That's why I like... when I saw Jon Jones, I went like, "Oh fuck, woo, I love him, man."

Joe Rogan 1:04:19 Yeah.

Jon Peters 1:04:19 "Love him."

Joe Rogan 1:04:20 Yeah, you love conquerors.

Jon Peters 1:04:21 Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 Yeah.

Jon Peters 1:04:22 And, and, and, and the wrestler guy I didn't like in the beginning, now I'm madly in love with him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:27 Which guy?

Jon Peters 1:04:27 You know, that beat everybody, kind of chubby. Um, your, your c- commentator fella, you know?

Joe Rogan 1:04:32 Oh, oh, DC?

Jon Peters 1:04:33 Yeah, DC.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Daniel Cormier?

Jon Peters 1:04:34 Amazing. Love him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:35 Yeah, oh, he's incredible.

Jon Peters 1:04:36 I love him. Love him.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 You didn't like him at first?

Jon Peters 1:04:38 But didn't like him, he didn't fit my eye- the view of what I thought he was supposed to look like. You know what I mean? And, uh, but I did like him, but not as much as Jon Jones.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Just his physique?

Jon Peters 1:04:48 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:50 Really?

Jon Peters 1:04:50 Yeah, and just that he was more of a... he would more of... yes, it's just he was... I like Jon Jones. He was my hero.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 See, the, one of the greatest of all time is Fedor Emelianenko. And Fedor had the most unimposing physique. I mean, he looked strong, but he like had like a da-

Jon Peters 1:05:06 The Russian, the Russian, oh yeah, the Russian.

Joe Rogan 1:05:08 Yeah, the Russian. He had like a little bit of a belly.

Jon Peters 1:05:09 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 And he was always like calm and relaxed.

Jon Peters 1:05:12 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 And he would fuck everyone up.

Jon Peters 1:05:15 Yeah, yeah, well I-

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 He would fuck everyone up in his prime.

Jon Peters 1:05:17 I always had good hands.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Yeah?

Jon Peters 1:05:19 Big strong hands, yeah. And you know, I'm almost 80 so they, they shrunk, you know? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Yeah.

Jon Peters 1:05:24 But, but yeah, I knocked a lot of people out, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 When you look at like Daniel Cormier, like he reminded me in a lot of ways of like Fedor's physique.

Jon Peters 1:05:31 Totally.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Like-

Jon Peters 1:05:32 Absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 They, they don't have low body fat, but-

Jon Peters 1:05:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:35 ... don't get twisted.

Jon Peters 1:05:36 Yeah, well-

Joe Rogan 1:05:36 That guy's a phenomenal athlete.

Jon Peters 1:05:38 Yeah, I know.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 Both of them, DC and, and Fedor.

Jon Peters 1:05:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Fedor was a phenomenal athlete.

Jon Peters 1:05:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 He was so good.

Jon Peters 1:05:43 He was-

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 You ever saw him fight?

Jon Peters 1:05:44 I did, of course.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 Yeah, okay.

Jon Peters 1:05:46 Yeah, many times.

Joe Rogan 1:05:46 We... that was one of the biggest regrets-

Jon Peters 1:05:48 One of the-

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 ... that they never got him to the UFC.

Jon Peters 1:05:49 One of the great fights that I saw was the black... Telderman, whatever, the black guy with blond hair and that crazy guy from Europe, um...

Joe Rogan 1:06:02 Kevin Randleman