Joe Rogan Experience #1872 - Tony Hinchcliffe & Hans Kim

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) Before we even get rolling, happy 10th year anniversary-

   4. HKHans Kim0:16

      Hey.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      ... to young Jamie Vernon.

   6. HKHans Kim0:17

      Hey, that's when we met.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I saw that on his, uh, Instagram today. 10 years ago, the kid took a fucking... what, you have a one way?

   8. HKHans Kim0:26

      One way flight, yeah, one way ticket.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      One way ticket to LA. Says, "Let's see what happens."

   10. HKHans Kim0:31

       That's awesome. What happened?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Next thing you know...

   12. HKHans Kim0:34

       Unbelievable.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       He's young Jamie Vernon.

   14. HKHans Kim0:35

       (laughs) Still young.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe0:39

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       He's younger than me, he's always gonna be young in that way. Hans Kim, how are you?

   17. HKHans Kim0:46

       Hey Joe. Good.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Feeling all right?

   19. HKHans Kim0:47

       Yeah, I feel great.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       Are you too high? Don't lie.

   21. HKHans Kim0:49

       No. I only took two puffs.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       Okay, that's good.

   23. HKHans Kim0:52

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       Don't tell people about Detroit.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe0:56

       (laughs)

   26. HKHans Kim0:57

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       And Tony Hinchcliffe.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00

       Yes, hello.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Good to see you, brother. We've had a, we had a fun few weeks.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:04

       Yeah. Like, the craziest.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Right. Right. Yeah, if…

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe15:00

      that it's like if Mayweather didn't get to pick who he fought, when he fought, and sometimes knocked people out in the first or second or third round.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Right. Right. Yeah, if Mayweather had no business saying it, like you have young guns who come out of nowhere and then they could just challenge him.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe15:17

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      Yeah. They would never do that in boxing. Not, th- maybe they would. Actually, let me take that back. Maybe they would.

   5. THTony Hinchcliffe15:26

      They should. I'm telling you. After watch- uh, maybe, of course, like you said, maybe I was desensitized from watching the best jujitsu and crazy UFC right next to the octagon. But I feel like boxing needs, and I know the purists are gonna come after me for this, but they need like a knockout bonus or some type of disproportionate thing. And I get the tactical slow pace, like see what they're doing, feel it out style, but it's never been what really... I mean, you think about the b- uh, Ali and Tyson and these people had like, you know, significant knockout strength, these ticket selling, the reasons why people would buy pay-per-views.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:04

      Yeah, people bought pay-per-views for Floyd and it's mostly 'cause they want him to lose.

   7. THTony Hinchcliffe16:08

      Right. (laughs)

   8. NANarrator16:09

      (laughs)

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe16:09

      Oh, totally. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Which is genius.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe16:11

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       He's genius.

   13. NANarrator16:13

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       I mean, all these guys that everybody hates, whether it's Colby Covington or Floyd Mayweather or Conor McGregor, those are the guys that sell tickets. It's so nuts. It's, it's such a good strategy. Get people mad at you. (laughs)

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe16:26

       Yeah. So many people spend their time trying to be the good guy, but you need the bad guys for that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       "I kill everybody."

   17. THTony Hinchcliffe16:33

       Yeah. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       "I kill them all. I eat. I kill." (laughs)

   19. NANarrator16:38

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah, you need, you need guys that are all... You need everything. You need the whole thing, but you need people to rise. And you need, like when a, when a guy like Gordon rises in jujitsu, it m- it makes everybody aware of jujitsu. It's like, you hear about this and like people who are just casual also are gonna hear about that story. They're gonna go, "This is this 27-year-old guy, and he's the greatest of all time." And then everybody's gonna go, "What?" Like it's, how many people are doing jujitsu? There's a lot of people doing it. Why is this one guy the greatest?

   21. THTony Hinchcliffe17:08

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       Then you tell the whole story. Well, he has a master that teaches him, who used to be a professor of philosophy at Columbia University. He's a fucking super genius, and he became obsessed with jujitsu to the point where he used to teach and sleep on the mats, and his name's John Danaher. And John Danaher gets together with Gordon Ryan, who's a freak, who's this giant freak athlete, and the two of them together create a perfect super assassin. (laughs)

   23. NANarrator17:35

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       It's wild. (laughs)

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe17:38

       Yeah, I've been hearing about it for, like a year. We've been hanging out. You know, he comes to the shows. We go out afterwards, listen to music, eat burgers together. We've done it all together. And I've heard about his legacy, but actually seeing Gordon this weekend, actually physically being there. Some things don't translate to screens like they do in real life. And that's a big one, because it's just two giant guys. That guy totally has a chance, it feels like.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:04

       (laughs)

   27. NANarrator18:04

       (laughs)

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe18:04

       Totally. It seems like, "Okay, well, this could be the one. We might see something crazy." Err.

   29. JRJoe Rogan18:10

       No, he just-

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe18:11

       He's straight to slow, casual dominance. It's like a snake and a gerbil.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Not at the same…

   1. THTony Hinchcliffe30:00

      the last-

   2. NANarrator30:00

      Not at the same level I played.

   3. THTony Hinchcliffe30:02

      ... couple minutes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      But isn't-

   5. NANarrator30:03

      Did you play in front of people?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe30:04

      Yeah, Jamie.

   7. NANarrator30:05

      (laughs)

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe30:05

      I'm the same age and from the same area as LeBron James. Our high schools are rival schools.

   9. NANarrator30:10

      I knew we were gonna play them.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe30:11

       Goofball.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:11

       Did you play against LeBron James in high school? Is that what you just alluded to? (laughs)

   12. NANarrator30:15

       (laughs)

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe30:15

       I wrestled... Wrestling and-

   14. NANarrator30:17

       I think so.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:17

       I heard, but-

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe30:17

       ... wrestling and basketball are both winter sports, so we went against each other in both. He's watched me wrestle and I've watched him play basketball. We're both the Fighting Irish, Akron, St. Vincent-St. Mary in Ursuline.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Really?

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe30:29

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Do you remember him?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe30:32

       Oh, God, yes. He was the news story. He was literally on the local news at-

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Yeah.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe30:37

       ... like, 15 every single night.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       He was on TV.

   24. NANarrator30:39

       Yeah.

   25. THTony Hinchcliffe30:39

       Yeah.

   26. NANarrator30:39

       Sports Illustrated when we were in high school.

   27. THTony Hinchcliffe30:41

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       When you were in high school?

   29. NANarrator30:42

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Wow.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Or people existed when…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      and so he was gonna do, run very expensive genetic studies. So this is back before 23andMe, where you had to actually pay money to a lab to do this. This guy's like, "I'm gonna show you." And so they do these studies on all these, uh, Native American folks, and they find out that a lot of them are coming from Siberia, that their original genes emanated from Siberia.

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe45:19

      Or people existed when it was all one piece of land, right? Pangea.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:24

      We were talking about this the other night. We were talking about, how long is it going to take before we can show that your genes are American? Because everybody came from Africa, every human, right? They all go to different places, but when they're there for like a couple thousand years, you could see in their genes, oh, you're from North European heritage, or you're from Ireland, your family's from Britain. They can find all that stuff. They can find, oh, your, your family's from China. They can find all that stuff. How long before they can find that you were American? 'Cause it, it took a while to become whatever the gene pool of England is, where they could recognize it. How long before, like, America is kind of a race?

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe46:11

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:12

      You know?

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe46:12

      I think it's when everything's, like, cut, right? When it's like... But by that point, it should be a lot of other places. But like, when everything, when you're like, a full mutt, I think that's American.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:23

      Right.

   8. THTony Hinchcliffe46:23

      10% everything. (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:25

      When we're a full mutt.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe46:28

       But that is interesting. I've never thought of that before, the like, Pangea thing. I don't even know when that was or if it's humanly possible that human life existed back then. But that would be crazy to be like, let's say you're a couple of people on the Puerto Rico island that's like slowly fading away-

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       (laughs)

   12. THTony Hinchcliffe46:45

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       ... and you're like, "Uh..."

   14. THTony Hinchcliffe46:45

       It's like, "We don't have boats yet. What the fuck?"

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       (laughs)

   16. THTony Hinchcliffe46:47

       "Where are you guys going?" Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       "It was great when we were attached."

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe46:51

       Yeah. (laughs) Waving. "Where are you guys going?" (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       Yeah, let's take a guess. How old, long ago do you think... First of all, is Pangea 100% accepted?

   20. THTony Hinchcliffe47:00

       I don't know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:00

       Or is it still a debatable thing?

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe47:03

       I have, I have no idea.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       How long ago do you think Pangea happened?

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe47:07

       (sighs) I'm thinking this-

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       So for pa- Pangea is, for people who are not paying attention, it's all the plants, all the, uh, continents rather, were all supposedly pushed together, and then they separated.

   26. THTony Hinchcliffe47:17

       That said... Oh, well, it says right there. I guess they're separate. I'm pretty sure that's an accepted scientific fact, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:22

       Yeah, the continents shift, Florida's disappearing.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe47:25

       When, when is the early Mesozoic? Um, what, what time period is that? Wow, 335 million years ago.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:34

       Yeah, no people, bro. (laughs)

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe47:37

       (laughs) We were little plankton.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   No. Yeah. No, we…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      been doing?

   2. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:00

      No. Yeah. No, we don't ta-... I don't talk about it on Kill Tony.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Where have you talked about it?

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:03

      Nowhere.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:04

      Okay.

   6. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:04

      Just by going there.

   7. HKHans Kim1:00:05

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Shh. Shut the fuck up.

   9. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:06

      (laughs) Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

       That's fine. Word of mouth is fine.

   11. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:08

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

       But word of internet, it's not...

   13. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:10

       Uh-uh.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       It's not for everybody.

   15. HKHans Kim1:00:12

       I'm not showing that.

   16. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

       Don't show it.

   18. HKHans Kim1:00:14

       (laughs)

   19. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:14

       Don't show it. (laughs) Yeah, don't show it.

   20. HKHans Kim1:00:16

       Good.

   21. But there's only one bartender.

   22. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:18

       Yeah. (laughs)

   23. HKHans Kim1:00:18

       We come in at 1:00 AM. Really?

   24. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:19

       There's only one bartender and we show up every Monday at midnight.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

       That's funny.

   26. HKHans Kim1:00:24

       It's a great vibe.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

       Yeah. There's a, there's a great scene here for all kinds of stuff. Just a cool town. We're lucky. We picked a good spot.

   28. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:32

       I'm going to see Roger Waters on October 6th.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       Oh.

   30. THTony Hinchcliffe1:00:34

       I can say that for sure.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:19:52

   Yeah. It doesn't seem…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      that election.

   2. HKHans Kim1:15:01

      Yeah. It doesn't seem like this one was fucked with too much.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:05

      How would you know? See? That- that- that's the kind of thing that people will say.

   4. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:08

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:08

      I would say it too.

   6. HKHans Kim1:15:08

      Well, it's like how do you know?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:10

      But let's be honest. How would you know?

   8. HKHans Kim1:15:11

      It's like (laughs) all the people that would need to lie, like if, uh, the moon landing didn't happen, like how many people would have had to lie?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:18

      Don't you fucking ramp me up with this moon landing nonsense.

   10. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:21

       (laughs)

   11. HKHans Kim1:15:21

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

       Hans Kim, I know what the fuck you're doing.

   13. HKHans Kim1:15:23

       Oh, shit. I was trying to pick a-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:24

       Don't you, don't you ramp me up with this moon landing.

   15. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:26

       (laughs)

   16. HKHans Kim1:15:27

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

       As time goes on, I become more suspicious.

   18. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:29

       (laughs) Me too.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:31

       They app- apparently have found some sort of crystal on the moon, um, that China has found that they're going to use for nuclear fusion. Have you seen that?

   20. HKHans Kim1:15:41

       Yeah. Energy source of some kind.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

       Yeah. Some kinda energy source, so they're going to mine the moon, probably with robots.

   22. HKHans Kim1:15:49

       What color is there ever gonna be now?

   23. THTony Hinchcliffe1:15:50

       That sounds crazy.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       China discovered... What?

   25. HKHans Kim1:15:52

       It just sounds like a wild headline-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:15:54

       I know.

   27. HKHans Kim1:15:54

       ... that doesn't make any sense.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:15:55

       "China Discovered a New Type of Moon Crystal That Might Lead to Limitless Energy." But if you really think about it, these people that we think come here from other planets, all you would need is a few of these inventions over the next thousand years, and we have some sort of technology that's beyond our wildest imagination that can conquer spacetime, like instantaneously, shoot you into other spar- spots in the universe like instantly. These kind of things that people figure out, like that plus a thousand years time is time travel.

   29. HKHans Kim1:16:28

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:16:29

       You know?

Episode duration: 3:17:33