Joe Rogan Experience #1875 - Dave Smith

Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian, Libertarian political commentator, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Part of the Problem" podcast, as well as a co-host of the podcasts "Legion of Skanks" and "Yo! MMA Wrap." www.comicdavesmith.com

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Jun 27, 20243h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

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(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…
1. NANarrator
  (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
2. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)
3. DSDave Smith
  But that's good.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
5. DSDave Smith
  I think that's what makes you so good at what you do.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, the last thing you wanna do is be like, super confident and wrong. (laughs)
7. DSDave Smith
  Yeah, right, exactly. You wanna at least be always questioning. Like, always maintaining that possibility. "I could be wrong about everything."
8. JRJoe Rogan
  When you start... When you, when you go over stuff, like when you talk about like, libertarian ideas, and you, you, you look at like, the way the government is run now, do you, do you run through that thought process, like, "Maybe the only way to do it is the way that we're doing it right now"?
9. DSDave Smith
  Yeah, I, I try my best to always do that. I mean, I'm guilty of not doing it. But I try my best to always be like, "Okay, well maybe, theoretically, uh, they know something I don't know," which kinda means like, "This is the best way to do it." Or maybe I'm just wrong, and my theoretical model couldn't work, and this is the best. But that... Try to give like, the toughest arguments against it, and then go like, "Okay, but we still didn't need to kill a million Iraqis." You know what I mean?
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
11. DSDave Smith
  Like, we still didn't need to do this, or we still at least didn't need a... But I try my best. I use... It's dangerous, 'cause the more, the further into it I get, the more convinced I am that I'm right, and then that's also dangerous. 'Cause I'm not as insecure about it as I used to be.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  It feels like the only way... Like, the system is broken. Everyone sort of agrees that. The... And the only way to do it right would be to create a more ethical, moral, logical system that's actually based on Constitutional rights, and how the government is supposed to be, in terms of like, the kinda power they're supposed to have versus what they're always constantly trying to acquire. But if you did that, how much would you have to blow the system up? And how would we run things? Like, what, what period of vulnerability would we have while we're trying to reestablish a new system? And how would we know if the system could even work correctly without being influenced by money and power, and all the shit that's fucked it up-
13. DSDave Smith
  Right.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... for, for what we've got right now?
15. DSDave Smith
  It's, it's a daunting challenge. I think that... Like, what, what Ron Paul used to always say was basically... I mean, these are my words, not his, but there was... Basically his plan was, he goes, "End all the worst shit first."
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
17. DSDave Smith
  Like, end all the most evil shit first. So the first thing is like, stop bombing third-world countries.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
19. DSDave Smith
  Stop locking people in jail for victimless crimes. Stop doing, like... Stop bailing out-
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. DSDave Smith
  ... billionaires and corporations and stuff.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. DSDave Smith
  Like, stop that first. You know, you don't, you don't start with like, "Well, okay, if there's a vulnerable population that's, like, dependent on this government program, get rid of it tomorrow."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
25. DSDave Smith
  You know, so like, try, you try to do that. And then the more of the corruption that you roll back, you're gonna see le-... You know, like, less wealth being extracted from regular American people and going to special interests, kind of build that up over time. But it's a challenging thing to go ba-... To go from this insane system to something less insane-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. DSDave Smith
  ... is tough. And throughout human history, usually it's a... There's a pretty rough period in between there.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure.
29. DSDave Smith
  It's usually not a smooth transition.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, it's kinda fascinating when you think that this is the only country that has been really established as, like, a colony that went on to take over the world. And it did it inside of 300 years-
15:00 – 30:00
Imagine if it is.…
1. DSDave Smith
  the results of an election."
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Imagine if it is.
3. DSDave Smith
  And so maybe you err on that side.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, imagine if it is.
5. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Imagine if you've been warned and then it is Russian d- Russian disinformation, but you also allow people to share it and it turns out to actually affect the election.
7. DSDave Smith
  Yeah. Well, that's-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Uh, swings the election the other way, Trump wins again, and then we find out it's a hoax, and we find out he really is in cahoots with Russia. That was the big fear, right? And that's, that's not a narrative that you didn't hear. Like you, you heard constantly he was in bed with Russia. You heard-
9. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... constantly Russia had stuff on him. Russia has this, Russia has that, he did this, people peed on him.
11. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  You know, there was-
13. DSDave Smith
  Yes.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  ... this whole dossier.
15. DSDave Smith
  Right. And, and no matter... And, and there's an interesting thing like that because... and there's, there's polling to... that shows this. Like a forget exactly what it is, but it's a very large percentage of Democrats, uh, Democrat voters still believe Donald Trump-
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Still believe.
17. DSDave Smith
  ... was in bed with Russia, even though-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. DSDave Smith
  ... the investigation found no evidence that there was any conspiracy or anything like that. And in fact, anyone paying attention to it, go... the whole thing was just completely orchestrated to box Donald Trump in.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
21. DSDave Smith
  Um, so again, I'm not a Trump supporter, if anyone needs that disclaimer, but I'm just saying-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Nor am I.
23. DSDave Smith
  ... ob- objectively, he was framed-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
25. DSDave Smith
  ... but... for treason, essentially, for being a traitor to his country, working, uh, uh, I- i- with Russia, involved in a conspiracy to change the election results of 2016. Um-
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Also, and then there was no public apology-
27. DSDave Smith
  No.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  ... once the investigations were over. There was no exoneration publicly.
29. DSDave Smith
  No, they just kind of, in the last year of his administration, stopped talking about it as much, never basically ack- acknowledged that we had been saying Trump-Russia collusion for all this time. After the, the report fell apart, they moved immediately over to the Ukrainegate thing, which is very interesting given the context of everything going on now. Um, and then they just pulled it up again in the presidential election of 2020 when this, this, uh, laptop came out.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
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Yeah. …
1. JRJoe Rogan
  associated with this medication, that wound up killing at least 50,000 people.
2. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Which is fucking wild. And they made like 12 billion, they got penalized a few billion. And so they made profit.
4. DSDave Smith
  Right.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  They made profit off of a disease which they s- they pushed through knowing that they were hiding data.
6. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's f-
8. DSDave Smith
  And-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Fucking w- And then people were willing to trust them. Like-
10. DSDave Smith
  And, and then, you know, the, uh, when you look at, like, things like th- when they had these COVID passports in, in all of these big cities, there, you know... The thing that's so crazy, it's like, so then they go, "Okay, so the government is basically forcing you to consume this pharmaceutical product, or you can't participate in the society-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
12. DSDave Smith
  ... that you live in." And then all these people get forced into it. It's clear as day that this did nothing. I mean, this, they, they put the vaccine passports into effect in New York City before the Omicron variant. And when Omicron came through, it just wiped through the... Everybody got Omicron in the city. It was like the most contagious variant. It did nothing to stop this. And then ultimately it was like so obvious and the people just weren't having it, so they pulled back on it. But then there's no admission that like, "Oh, we got that wrong."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  No.
14. DSDave Smith
  There's no reconciliation, no correction. But the pharmaceutical companies, they kept all the money for all the people who were forced to consume their product.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, not only that, they have zero risk.
16. DSDave Smith
  Right. Ze- Protect- Completely protected from liability.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. Yeah.
18. DSDave Smith
  Uh, many of them got funding from the government for the development in Operation Warp Speed. So, it's a pretty sweet, uh, gig.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Look, whenever there's a pandemic or ever there's a new thing, there's a crisis, there's always going to be mistakes made. And it's whether or not we learn from those mistakes and whether or not you have a healthy distrust for narratives that are being pushed by people who have a financial incentive for these narratives to be correct. Here's another one we don't talk about, respirators. Do you know how many people died because they were on respirators? And the, is it a correlation or is it a causation? Well, they don't fucking use them as much anymore. That's a fact. And 88% of the people in New York who they put on a re- something like that. Find out what percentage of people who got put on respirators who wound up dying.
20. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  And then you could say, "Well, they were gonna die anyway, and that's why." There's some people-
22. DSDave Smith
  Mm-hmm.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that disagree with that and they say, "No, you blew out these people's lungs."
24. DSDave Smith
  Well, the reason I tend to, uh, I think that you're right to disagree with that is 'cause what you said at the b- is that the... So at the beginning, right?
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
26. DSDave Smith
  This is when, uh, Cuomo, when he was still, uh, governor there, was demanding that Trump send in 50,000 more respirators-
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
28. DSDave Smith
  ... 'cause we needed them or people are gonna die. And then the doctors, basically all from the bottom up, determined like, "We're not gonna be putting these people on respirators anymore 'cause they're, so many of them are dying."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Most New York COVID patients on ventilators died. Yeah. Rose to 88% of those who received mechanical ventilation. Among the 2,634 patients whom outcomes were known, the overall death rate was 21%, but it rose to 88% for the ones who were ventilated. Jesus Christ. So even just that. So let's just pretend it's only, what is that? 67%? Imagine that.
30. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
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Yes. …
1. DSDave Smith
  We'll let you know that up front."
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
3. DSDave Smith
  Rather than pretending, "I take no opinion here, I'm just an objective journalist." And e- you know, what Brian Stelter did.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Those two-
5. DSDave Smith
  "And everybody knows that we're real news and they're fake news."
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Exactly.
7. DSDave Smith
  "That's the objective truth." It's like, no, it's not.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  It doesn't work. Uh, no one trusts you. The, you, you're not even a real person, like the way you talk is like a-
9. DSDave Smith
  (laughs) It's so bizarre.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  ... a lizard pretending to be a person. It's like very strange, right?
11. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  But what, what gives me hope about those two, Krystal and Saagar, is that they are a right wing populist and a left wing populist, and yet they're very good friends, and they get along great, and they have respectful conversations about things.
13. DSDave Smith
  And you actually realize that they, uh, have a lot of overlap.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Mostly.
15. DSDave Smith
  Which is a big, which is a big, uh, thing that I, like I think that the kind of powerful, uh, like the, the establishment work very hard to make sure that you don't ever think about that.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right, don't think about the overlap.
17. DSDave Smith
  How much actually that your average like l- you know, left of center person, right of center person has in common. And that they... And this is why they love pumping these culture war issues so much, because they're the things that get, uh, the two sides fighting with each other while they're off at the top not caring.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
19. DSDave Smith
  Like, you know, like what, what JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs or the Federal Reserve, what they love is when left wing America and right wing America are at each other's throats and they're just raking in billions of dollars in profits.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  100%.
21. DSDave Smith
  'Cause no one's looking at them. But if you really think about the things that most people care about, like most regular Americans care about the most, is they're like, um, you know, "My, my health care is like really unaffordable." Or the, the, you know, "Groceries just went through the roof. My rent just like went up by 25%." And this, so it's like, you go, well, you know, like does, does inflation fuck over left wingers or right wingers? It fucks over both of them. Like it's the, all of these things... It's not a left verse right issue, it's like a top verse down issue. You know who it really helped? It helped all the people that got, the big corporations who got all that bailout money when the Federal Reserve printed $6 trillion in 2020. It was really good for them. It's really bad for you. It's the old George Carlin thing, right?
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. DSDave Smith
  "It's a big fucking club and you ain't in it."
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
25. DSDave Smith
  And that's a left winger or a right winger.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yep.
27. DSDave Smith
  You're not in this club.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Nope.
29. DSDave Smith
  It's that club verse you.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
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No, I've never talked…
1. JRJoe Rogan
  acted alone. I'm like, "You're out of your fucking mind or misinformed or under-informed or purposely ignorant because you want it to be Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone." The more you read about ... You ever talk to Oliver Stone?
2. DSDave Smith
  No, I've never talked to him, but I've watched a lot of his stuff.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Jesus Christ. Oliver Stone will, will take you down a fucking rabbit hole.
4. DSDave Smith
  Yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  And he has it all off the top of his head. He could just rattle off data and information, and he's been following this w- uh, since, like ... He made that film in the '90s.
6. DSDave Smith
  Mm-hmm.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That JFK film was in the '90s. And, you know, he just released a documentary series recently on Showtime that-
8. DSDave Smith
  I haven't-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  ... that goes over it in depth.
10. DSDave Smith
  I haven't seen that. His, uh, his, like, American history, uh-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, yeah.
12. DSDave Smith
  ... uh, docuseries thing was-
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Secrets of America.
14. DSDave Smith
  ... really, was really excellent, man.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
16. DSDave Smith
  Like I, I highly recommend-
17. JRJoe Rogan
  He's incredible.
18. DSDave Smith
  ... people watch that.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Oliver's incredible. I mean, it's incredible that that guy was this g- and still is this genius filmmaker who also is incredibly well-informed about certain things, and he's a patriot. I mean, the guy served in Vietnam. He's a ... And he, he understands, like, the, the pitfalls of all this shit and where, where those go. You can't just let it slide.
20. DSDave Smith
  Yeah. Also really worthwhile is watching his, uh, his interviews with Putin.... um, that, that-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Hmm.
22. DSDave Smith
  ... series of interviews-
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. DSDave Smith
  ... that he did, pa- particularly considering what's going on right now, which is like the, to me, the most important thing in the world. And, um, it's, it's, this is like the next thing where now ... You know like, you know like how kinda now me and you could talk about ... Like you could talk ab- I, I tweet, I put things on YouTube about, like, the vaccine, you know, and negative effects of the vaccine. And I'm just like not worried about it. It's just like not, like it's not that hot right now. But last year ...
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
26. DSDave Smith
  ... you were doing that, you were like, "Man, this might get me flagged. This might get me like kicked off." Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  The conversation that you and I had.
28. DSDave Smith
  Oh yeah, we got so much like heat for that. It was-
29. JRJoe Rogan
  So much for me saying young people, I would tell them, "Don't get vaccinated."
30. DSDave Smith
  Yeah, like and that, just, just that comment, and then-

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