Joe Rogan Experience #1876 - Greg Fitzsimmons

1. 0:00 – 3:24

   Ari’s fitness challenge: when competition turns into obsession

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) ... (whispers) two days per... and one must be sober for a month.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:17

      Does one... must one work out every day? Isn't that part of it too?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Must one work out every day.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:22

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      One must work out. One must burn 500 calories in a workout every single day, seven days a week, 365 days.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:32

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Well, 60.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:33

      Oh, what hap-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       30.

   11. NANarrator0:34

       30.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:34

       30 days. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs)

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:35

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       I'm already... I'm expanding. (laughs)

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:39

       So, what... isn't it... is there a contest about who can burn the most calories?

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       No. We're not doing that-

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:44

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... because we go crazy.

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:45

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       The problem with contests is they absorb your whole life.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:48

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       And everybody, except Ari, has a family and obligations and jobs and-

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons0:53

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       ... podcasts and different things they have to do, just the... We did it one year, the contest, and it was pretty obvious halfway in that we were fucked, 'cause-

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:02

       I remember you got behind and then you just powered through and came from behind with, like, some crazy workouts.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Well, I was never really behind. I mean, I might have been behind for, like, a day. It was though... in the beginning, we were trying to figure out how much we were gonna burn, you know, because we were using this MyZones thing, so it's, like, you wear a chest strap and the chest strap gives you points, uh, with the application for however many minutes you are at 80% of your max heart rate versus 90% of your max heart rate, I think 90 is two points, 80 is one or something like that.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:37

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       And (sighs) Ari figured out that you could watch TV while you were doing cardio, so he watched movies on an iPad-

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:47

       Uh-huh.
2. 3:24 – 5:11

   Cardio as therapy: quieting anxiety and internal chatter

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons3:24

      Yeah, it seems like a... it seems like a great idea for your men-... like, for me, working out is just for my head. I don't even give a shit. I mean, this body I was naturally born with. It's a gift.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      Congratulations.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons3:34

      But my brain, if I work out, man, I just feel happy and if I don't, I get depressed.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:40

      So one of the things we talked about, Tom and I talked about specifically, was that when you do a lot of cardio in a day, like four hours of cardio in a day, he goes, all the internal chatter just goes away.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons3:51

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:51

      I go, yeah, there's like... there's no negative talk.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons3:54

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:54

      There's no, like, anxiety and angst. And I really wonder how much of that that people walk around with all day could be fixed with cardio. It could be fixed with, like, rigorous exercise. You know, when they say, um... they say weightlifting helps anxiety too. They say strength training does. But, uh, for me, it's like cardio. Cardio seems to put me in this place where it just is like, "Whatever, who gives a fuck?" It's just like a... just a really peaceful... it, like, balances out what's really important to think about and worry about versus, like, things that are just sort of bouncing around in your head. You don't know if I should pay attention to that one or that one and-

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:35

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       ... like, what should I freak out about the most?

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:37

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:37

       Like, every time I watch the news, every time I look at the news, I'm like, "How engaged do I get here? Do I freak out about Russia? Am I gonna freak out and then my whole day will be a freak-out?"

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:47

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:48

       Or do I recognize that there's not a goddamn thing I can do about this and just casually be aware of it and hope it doesn't explode?

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:56

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       That's the dilemma.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:58

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       Like, basically every day-

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons4:59

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       ... with wild shit like the Russia-Ukraine war, most of the... most of the time I look at the news, I'm like, "How much am I gonna engage with this?"

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:06

       Yeah. And not just the news but, like, everything in your life.

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       Yeah.

3. 5:11 – 9:12

   Falling asleep to history: audiobooks, the Civil War, and Jesse James

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:11

      I have to do it when I list-... I listen to books about the Civil War 'cause I listen to audiobooks when I go to sleep at night. It's the only way I can sleep. I just listen to... I try to find the dullest nonfiction available-

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      (laughs)

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:24

      ... with, like, a good British author-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      (laughs)

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:26

      ... and it, and it just puts me right to sleep. So, uh, so I've probably listened to 50 nonfiction books in the last five, ten years. I can't remember any of it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:36

      Do you fall asleep with the headphones on?

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:37

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:38

      Is that a problem?

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:39

      It is.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:39

       Like, do you have dreams and then-

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:41

       No, no, no, I set a timer.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:43

       (laughs)

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:43

       It goes off after 45 minutes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       You get some guy talking to you about some guy-

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:47

       Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       ... bleeding out from a musket wound in the woods. You know, who got shot by his own cousin-

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:53

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       ... because they were on the wrong side of the Mississippi.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons5:55

       Uh, dude, the one I just listened to was about Jesse James. It was pretty badass. Jesse James was born in, uh, Missouri.... and Missouri during the Civil War. When you picture the Civil War, you picture, like, there was the Confederate states and there was the Union states, and they fought. No. Missouri, fucking this family was Confederate, this one was Unionist-

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Oh, no.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:19

       ... and they would just go kill each other. It was-

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       Oh, my God.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:22

       ... random. And there was marauding packs of guys like Jesse James. It was the Jesse James gang. It was him and, him and his brother, Frank, and these other guys, and they would just, they would r-... It was... They, they had, like... The press kinda, like, made heroes of them because they said that they were, like, uh, Robin Hood. They were giving to the poor because, you know, they gave a couple widows some money-

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:45

       (laughs)

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:46

       ... but they mostly kept, like... They killed, fucking, thousands of people and kept all the money.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:51

       Did you ever read... You read any Malcolm Gladwell?

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons6:54

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       You read that thing that Malcolm Gladwell talked about with, like, the honor societies that lived in, like, Appalachia and how many of them were involved in feuds that led to, like, mass murders?

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons7:07

       Oh, no shit. Really?

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       Yeah. Yeah. But the psychology behind it's the most fascinating thing. He was saying that these people come... Like, they emigrated from a part of the world where they were, uh, herders, like, they're herded animals. And when you herded animals, you had a very different reaction to transgressions than someone who, like, say, was a farmer, because someone couldn't steal your farm.
4. 9:12 – 11:32

   Honor culture, Appalachia violence, and the “American gene” question

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:12

      To the point... We were talking about this the other day. When there... When is there going to be... Like, I don't know how this works, but I know that when they do a genetic test, they can find out some of your family's from Eastern Europe, you have this percentage of Eastern Europe genes, this percentage of genes that appear... From Asia. And they, they can do that-

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:28

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:28

      ... with, like, a 23andMe, right?

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:30

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:30

      At what point in time did... Is there an American gene?

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:33

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:33

      At what point in time... Like, how many generations do we have to stay in this one spot or is it just such a constant melting pot with people constantly moving into here that it-

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:43

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:43

      ... never will be, like... You get what I'm saying? Like, is it, is it possible that people could say, "Oh, your ancestors came from America."

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:50

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       Is that even possible?

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:52

       That is funny 'cause I'll ask people in the audience, like, "What's your ethnicity?" And they say, "White," and I just look at them going, like-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       (laughs)

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons9:59

       ... "What the fuck is wrong with you?" And there'll be, like, a Black person sitting right next to them and they'll be like, "White! I'm white!"

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       (laughs)

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:07

       "It's fucking great!" (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       "What's your ethnicity?"

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:12

       And, and so-

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       And you can't... White is not an ethni- ethnicity, right? Isn't that odd?

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:17

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:18

       It's kinda odd that Latino is an ethnicity.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:21

       Uh-huh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       Uh, African American is an ethnicity.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:24

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Asian is an ethnicity. But that's not... Like, being white, like, if you say... (laughs) German's just white, right? Irish is just white.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:35

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:35

       Just a white guy.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:37

       Well, you would say, probably, Saxon or-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       Who the fuck would say Saxon? I'd be like, "Get out of my office."

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons10:43

       (laughs)
5. 11:32 – 15:22

   Names, Normans, and comics coming out of AA—and Boston’s work ethic

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:32

      Wow. Remember Greg Fitzgerald?

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:38

      Fi- No, Dave Fitzgerald.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:39

      Dave Fitzgerald.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:40

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:40

      That's right, Dave Fitzgerald.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:41

      Dave Fitzgerald was a good comic.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:43

      Dave Fitzgerald was one of the first guys that I ever saw that went straight from the, um, Alcoholics Anonymous program-

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:49

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan11:50

      ... to stand-up.

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:51

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan11:51

       'Cause AA, for a lot of guys, acted like as an open mic.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:54

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       Like, Dick Doherty. Dick Doherty got through comedy from AA.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons11:59

       Yep.

   15. JRJoe Rogan11:59

       A lot of those guys did.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:01

       Yeah, the AA rooms launched many a career. I would, I would name names, but it's, like, literally the last thing you're supposed to do (laughs) -

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:08

       You're not supposed to do that.

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:09

       ... as an anonymous.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:10

       Well, Dave used to talk about it-

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:11

       I was just naming three other people.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:11

       ... on stage.

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:11

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, she would talk about it.

   23. JRJoe Rogan12:12

       And, and also-

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:13

       And he's dead.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       ... he's not with us anymore.

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:14

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:15

       Yeah. He was a funny guy.

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:16

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:16

       It was t-... That was a bummer, man.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons12:17

       He used to get standing O's as the feature act. How do you like-
6. 15:22 – 20:47

   Joe’s wealth philosophy and building a comedy ecosystem outside Hollywood

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:22

      That's why it's funny when somebody like you gets rich, 'cause you, you don't have the inclination to go, "Well, now I need twice as much of that." Instead of that, like, I gotta thank you. Like, I did two shows for you this week at the thing and you handed me some money, and I loo- I got home, I look at it, I was like, "Oh, Joe..." Joe's ethos is, "I got lucky." Not lucky, you earned it, but you also, there was, there was the luck of being in an industry of podcasting-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      I got a lot of luck.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:47

      ... which fucking exploded-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:48

      Yeah, I got a lot of luck.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons15:49

      ... as you were the guy that was working the hardest and being the best at it. But because of that, you've decided to open a comedy club that I know you're not gonna make a lot of money in, but you're gonna do it because it's a great building, developmental experience for young comics. It's a place, it'll be a place of community, it'll be a place where you can hang with your boys, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:09

      Exactly.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:10

      And, and it's not about the money. And that's what... That, a- and it's so rare that somebody comes into money like you did and actually just enjoys it and uses it for good.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:19

      It's a trick. You can get sucked into it and it'll start thinking that it's the only thing.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:23

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:23

       It'll start talking to you like, "This is all you need, Greg."

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:26

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       "You just need me."

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:29

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       "Make more and more of me, concentrate on me, and you'll have more of me. Wouldn't you like a yacht, Greg?"

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:37

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       "Wouldn't you like a yacht?"

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:38

       "Oh, look-"

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       You know?

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:39

       "... another zero."

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       "Ooh, more s- there's a man ahead of you in the line."

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:44

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       "Who has more money."

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:47

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       "We need to figure out a way to beat that man." And just-

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons16:50

       "That man is weaker than you."

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:52

       With comedy, man, like, what... The thing about it that I enjoy the most is like the camaraderie and the fun and the new material and the putting on the good shows and having a good time with everybody.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons17:04

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       And I'm like, that is something that I, I feel like when I moved here, I'm like, "I want to invest in that." Not just like invest in it in a sense of like do it all the time and do a lot of shows with my friends, like you guys last night and, you know, we're gonna do, uh, Atlanta this weekend. Like, just... But also like to, to set a place where it's like encouraged, supported, and then you know that if you... There's a clear path now. It used to be you had to get a guy to help you w- go on the road and, you know, maybe if you did well at the club, they'd have you back to feature and you grounded out for as many years as you could and you try to get TV credits.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons17:45

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:46

       And some guys got TV credits before they really could ha- headline, like me. I had TV credits before I could headline.
7. 20:47 – 25:42

   Sports, politics, and the supercomputer quarterback brain

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons20:47

      That's funny. Sports is free of politics in that sense.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:50

      Yeah.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons20:50

      Like there's not a team that you would... Well, actually, I guess there would-

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:53

      Even Tom Brady was a giant Trump supporter and people still loved him-

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons20:56

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:56

      ... 'cause he was just a bad motherfucker.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons20:58

      Right, right, right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:58

      Even lefties who were football fans.

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:01

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       If he was throwing for Tampa Bay, you were fucking pumped.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:04

       Right, right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:05

       You know? That's Tom motherfucking Brady, bitch. Who cares who he's friends with?

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:08

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       'Cause he's that good.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:09

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       It's like when Michael Jackson music comes on.

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:12

       Uh-huh.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       You know he might've been a pedophile, but it's like, "Damn, they still play it."

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:16

       Although not for Col- Colin Kaepernick. Uh, I mean, there's an argument that he got driven out for his politics.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:25

       Well, that I don't... I mean, is that... Well, how was his performance? I don't know enough about football to comment on that.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:31

       I mean, he was considered, he was considered a first-rate starting quarterback.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       And so they stopped using him because of his protests?

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:39

       I mean, it's questionable. I mean, obviously, it's, it's quantifiable to some degree. I mean, you can look at a quarterback's rating and, and stuff like that, and I think he-

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:47

       That's interesting.

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:48

       He ho-

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:48

       But if he was the best, if he was th- the LeBron James of quarterbacks, if he was just like this undeniable motherfucker of motherfucker quarterbacks-

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons21:58

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:58

       ... I bet he would've got away with it.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons22:00

       Yeah. He was-

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:01

       You know what I'm saying?
8. 25:42 – 33:05

   Brett Favre’s scandal, CTE, and why retiring from high-stakes life is brutal

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:42

      You know, though, there's a problem that needs to be addressed whenever it comes to, uh, football players, fighters, combat sports athletes, is that, uh, people with CTE oftentimes have very poor decision-making.

   2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons25:55

      Mm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:55

      It's very, uh, complex 'cause everybody's version and, and severity of C- uh, CTE is different. But one of the side effects of, uh, having too many concussions is you become very impulsive, and you start doing, uh, risky things, risky behaviors.

   4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:13

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:13

      Sometimes people get addicted to substances, and, and, and gambling and a lot l- a lot of wild shit. And it comes from, like, your brain being rattled. Like, it's just not working right. Like, you have all sorts of, uh, impulse control.

   6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:27

      Makes sense.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      So I think, um, risky things like this might have been exciting, you know, like, he should have o- obviously morally known that's not the thing to do. But there's something, I think, for guys that have been hit in the head too many times, like risky things, like, "Oh." They just want-

   8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons26:44

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:44

      If you're a guy and you've got all your jollies out of playing football, I mean, you got all your jollies out of being this badass fucking quarterback or some badass running back, and the amount of excitement on Super Bowl day must be u- unfathomable-

   10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:02

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan27:02

       ... to us mere mortals.

   12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:03

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       To us mere mortals. The em- the excitement of being on that field and knowing that millions of people are gonna r- be watching around the world.

   14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:11

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       Millions. And there's 50,000, 60,000 people in that place screaming their fucking heads off. And you're playing football at the highest level of the world.

   16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:20

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Fuck, man. You want a guy like that to just go back to normal life after he's been hit in the head 50 times?

   18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:27

       "Hey, I got my own mower now." (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan27:29

       (laughs) Yeah. Jesus Christ. That guy is gonna start gambling-

   20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:32

       Yeah. Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:32

       ... going to whorehouses and snorting coke and-

   22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:35

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:35

       ... punching traffic attendants.

   24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:37

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       Like, he's, he's fucking bored out of his mind. He, he-

   26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:41

       Look at Lenny-

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       ... he's-

   28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:41

       ... Dykstra, man. Shit.

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:42

       Oh, yeah.

   30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons27:43

       Yeah.
9. 33:05 – 43:52

   Money psychology, self-sabotage, and the craft-first mindset

   1. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:05

      Oh yeah, yeah. Well, you know, Annie Letterman's got some, uh, uh, uh, hypnotist that does finances, that helps you deal... Because money is everything. They say, well, psychologically, it's a great place to start. Like, when you come into a shrink and you negotiate the price you're going to pay them, that's the first step of your therapy because they can tell so much about you by your relationship to money-

   2. JRJoe Rogan33:25

      Hmm.

   3. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:25

      ... how much you hold on to it, how much it scares you. And so she's got this, uh, therapist that she's worked with that she says is amazing that puts her under and then... She, she says, she said she's made a lot of money since she started working with her.

   4. JRJoe Rogan33:37

      Interesting.

   5. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:37

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan33:38

      Interesting.

   7. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:39

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan33:39

      So, she's, the therapist is a capitalist. (laughs)

   9. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:41

      Yes, exactly. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Well, I, I would imagine if you, uh, are tripping yourself up less, you'll make more money.

   11. GFGreg Fitzsimmons33:51

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       Like, if you're not getting in your own way. Because one of the things you find about, like, talented people that get freaked out by success is that they'll start to, uh, sabotage. They'll start to fuck things up. They'll, you know, show up, uh, miss a flight. They'll do-

   13. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:05

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:05

       You know, they start, they start getting a little crazy. And just 'cause, like, it's the fear of, like, fucking up once you've already started becoming successful and people start sel- becoming self-saboteurs.

   15. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:16

       Drugs, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:16

       If you, you just stop that from happening, you would just naturally have, uh, an escalation in your career. If you're, if you're good and you're getting better, you'll continue to get better. If you keep working, you keep showing discipline, you keep having new material, you'll be fine. But along the way, it's the getting in your own way stuff that fucks people up. And if you, uh, your therapist could just pull that out, "Stop getting in your own way."

   17. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:40

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:40

       Just that alone, you'd make more money.

   19. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:43

       I think it also has to do with, like my father said to me when I was growing up... We were talking about how successful some people get, and he said, "Everybody is at the level that they think they should be at."

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:54

       Huh.

   21. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:54

       And so you can start to become successful and get scared and go, "I don't belong up there."

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:59

       Right.

   23. GFGreg Fitzsimmons34:59

       And so you have to somehow reframe where you see yourself ending up.

   24. JRJoe Rogan35:05

       Yeah, or not think about it at all, like I do. (laughs)

   25. GFGreg Fitzsimmons35:07

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan35:08

       Just don't think about it.

   27. GFGreg Fitzsimmons35:09

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:10

       I think too many people think too much about, like, where they want to be. I just think you should think about being better at what you do.

   29. GFGreg Fitzsimmons35:16

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       I think being better at what you do is a real thing because being where you want to be, you never feel like you're there, trust me. No matter where you go, you always want more. It just never ends. The only thing that makes sense to me is concentrating on being better at what you do. So for me, it's like the things that I concentrate on the most is, like, stand up and podcast. And then with the UFC commentary, man, that job is like... I'm just lucky to be a professional fan. So all I have to do is just, like, know who's fighting, what their styles are like, and, and the, the, the thing is playing out. I mean, I have very little to do with the thing, you know? So it's, the, that job is just like a beautiful being a fan reaction job. But, like, for podcasts and comedy, if I started thinking about, like, goals where I want to be in four years and this and that-
10. 43:52 – 53:10

    Climate change debates, Earth’s long cycles, and coastal-city reality checks

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       Did you see Don Lemon was trying to talk some climate scientist into saying that this is, uh, this hurricane is because of climate science? And he's like, "I'm not, you know, it's not exactly how it works."

    2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:03

       Uh-huh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan44:04

       "And I'm just trying to explain to you-"

    4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:05

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan44:05

       "... what is going on, and this is the hurricane, and, you know, we can, we can cover that more broadly, but..."

    6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:09

       I know every time there's a cold day, all of the climate deniers say, "Oh, well where's your global warming?"

    7. JRJoe Rogan44:15

       Pssh.

    8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:15

       And then every time there's a hurricane, all, everybody on the left is like, "Well, this is be-" Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:20

       Dude, that is a complex issue.

    10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:23

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:23

        That's a complex issue that we're in danger of getting, um, ideologically boxed into, because, uh, no one is ever gonna deny that climate change is gonna have a giant effect on humans, and it seems to be increasing. No one's doing denying.

    12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:36

        No one's ever gonna deny that?

    13. JRJoe Rogan44:38

        No one's-

    14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:38

        There's a lot of people denying that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:39

        Yeah, but no one logical.

    16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:41

        Right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:41

        Like, it's happening.

    18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:42

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:42

        But what I'm saying is, like, the temperature is rising.

    20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons44:44

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan44:45

        But what's interesting is why people want to ignore the fact that it's always done this. Like, humans have, withou- without a doubt, we have an effect on that, with, uh, carbon emissions are up and who knows what the fuck, the gases in the air and all the crazy shit we do with mass production and-

    22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:01

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:01

        ... and energy consumption. But it's always been up and down. Like, if you g- I had this guy Steve Koonin on the podcast who's a physicist, and, um, he wasn't even a climate scientist, he's just a guy who just decided to, like, examine the models. And he's like, "If you go, like, thousands of years, it's all crazy. It's all like this and that. It's, it's up by this many degrees and down by that many." He's like, "It's like it's never stable. Ever." When there was humans living in fucking caves, it was never stable. But when they were looking at it over 100 years, you can get these crazy spikes. You're like, "Oh my God, look, we started using gas powered cars and it was going up and up and u-" But if you go 1,000 years, that's totally normal. All that stuff's normal. The question is, how much of an impact do we have on it? That's not totally being quantified. Like, they're not exactly sure. They know it's a significant impact, but they know this is happening anyway. And the Ice Age happened anyway. The Ice Age happened without us.

    24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:55

        Mm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan45:56

        Didn't have anything to do with us.

    26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:57

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan45:57

        It's gonna happen again.

    28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons45:58

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan45:58

        It's probably gonna happen again. It's probably this constant cycle. X many thousands of years, this happens, and then X many thousands of years, that happens. And that's why the fucking Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest. Did you know that?

    30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons46:11

        Hm.
11. 53:10 – 1:07:01

    Billionaires, philanthropy optics, yachts—and romance scams fueled by loneliness

    1. JRJoe Rogan53:10

       Do you see that, uh, MacKenzie Bezos got divorced again?

    2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:15

       Is that Jeff Bezos' wife?

    3. JRJoe Rogan53:16

       Jeff Bezos' ex-wife.

    4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:17

       She got remarried, and now she's divorced?

    5. JRJoe Rogan53:19

       Yeah. I had a bit about her that I had to bail on the bit because, uh, I don't know. I felt, I felt mean and personal. Not even mean. It's not mean. The, the bit is a woman worth 30... She's worth thir-... She won $39 billion in the divorce settlement.

    6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:30

       No.

    7. JRJoe Rogan53:31

       And then she immediately married a high school science teacher. So the bit was about a, a woman worth $39 billion marrying a dude worth $3200.

    8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:40

       (laughs)

    9. JRJoe Rogan53:40

       And I was like, "That guy doesn't have shit to say in that relationship."

    10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:44

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan53:44

        I'm like, "That guy doesn't get to pick any of the color of the walls."

    12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:47

        Yeah. Right, right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan53:47

        And I'm like, "You know how I know? Because-"

    14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:49

        That's a one-sided 69 position.

    15. JRJoe Rogan53:51

        Yeah, because the w- so, uh, the way I know is 'cause I don't get to pick anything in my house.

    16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons53:54

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan53:54

        And my wife doesn't even work. That guy's fucked. Like, he has zero chance. If she's that rich-

    18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:00

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        ... I'm like, "That guy's on his best behavior."

    20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:02

        Right, right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan54:03

        I go, "He's got his pronouns in his Twitter bio. He's drinking white wine. That guy..." (laughs)

    22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:07

        (laughs)

    23. JRJoe Rogan54:07

        "He's neutered."

    24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:08

        He's, he's planning her birthday party a year in advance.

    25. JRJoe Rogan54:11

        Yeah. I'm like, "That guy is a performance artist. He's putting on a show." He knows how much money she has.

    26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:15

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan54:15

        I'm like, "How long can you be cool?" Well, it turns out, 24 months. So there-

    28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:20

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan54:21

        (laughs) He couldn't keep it together. There's no way you could be yourself if your wife is worth $39 billion.

    30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons54:28

        Yeah, w-
12. 1:07:01 – 1:19:35

    Austin’s comedy boom, local backlash, and the NFT/art detour

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:07:01

       We got all the all-stars.

    2. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:02

       Uh-huh.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:07:03

       Yeah, and we haven't even started yet. I mean, everything's going great already.

    4. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:07

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:07:07

       You know? The scene here is incredible.

    6. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:09

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:07:09

       There's like 12 world-class comics living here, man.

    8. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:11

       I've seen it. I was, I've been doing shows here the last three nights and it's just cray, and now you got Brian out here.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:07:17

       Brian Simpson is a motherfucker, dude.

    10. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:19

        He's a motherfucker.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:07:20

        He's coming with me to London.

    12. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:21

        He's like Mike Tyson. He just comes at you slow-

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:07:25

        (laughs)

    14. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:25

        ... and steady, straight at you.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:07:28

        Such good writing, man.

    16. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:29

        Yeah, the writing's good.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:07:30

        His writing is so tight.

    18. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:30

        And his attitude. He does not give a fuck on stage.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:07:34

        No. No. Well, he's free now because now he's successful.

    20. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:38

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:07:38

        And now he's got a Netflix special, now he's killing it on the road-

    22. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:40

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:07:40

        ... and he's killing it on stage. Like, he's free.

    24. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:43

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:43

        And he's doing it the right way. He just w- works every day, always writing, always writing.

    26. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:48

        And he moved here.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:49

        Yep, moved here.

    28. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:50

        Crazy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:51

        Yeah. Yeah. It's a good spot, dude.

    30. GFGreg Fitzsimmons1:07:54

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 3:06:00