Joe Rogan Experience #1890 - Bridget Phetasy

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Joe Rogan 0:12 It's live. Hello, Bridget.

Bridget Phetasy 0:13 I'm back.

Joe Rogan 0:14 What's happening?

Bridget Phetasy 0:15 I had a baby. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:16 You had a fucking human.

Bridget Phetasy 0:17 I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:17 You made a human in your body. That h-

Bridget Phetasy 0:19 It's so crazy.

Joe Rogan 0:20 What does it feel like, like pre-h- making a human, just living a normal life, being a human, to actually... Like, what does that transition feel like? A man will never know.

Bridget Phetasy 0:30 I've-

Joe Rogan 0:31 Contrary to Twitter.

Bridget Phetasy 0:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:33 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 0:34 You can burn your 500 calories by breastfeeding, Joe.

Joe Rogan 0:37 I bet you can.

Bridget Phetasy 0:37 Through December, October. That's what I learned. I mean-

Joe Rogan 0:41 Do you pump?

Bridget Phetasy 0:41 I do.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Do you pump or you p- yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 0:42 I'm breastfeeding. No, no, I'm still breastfeeding. That's why she's here in Austin with me. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:46 Do, do you ever-

Bridget Phetasy 0:47 Left her at the hotel.

Joe Rogan 0:47 ... pump too, though? Do you pump as well?

Bridget Phetasy 0:48 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:49 The pump is wild.

Bridget Phetasy 0:50 The pump is wild.

Joe Rogan 0:51 My wife used to sit in front of the TV-

Bridget Phetasy 0:52 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:52 ... watching TV with, like, a cup in each hand...

Bridget Phetasy 0:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:55 ... wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah-

Bridget Phetasy 0:56 They've-

Joe Rogan 0:56 ... wah, wah, wah.

Bridget Phetasy 0:57 They, they've probably come a long way since then.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Have they?

Bridget Phetasy 1:00 Yeah, you can do... You can, like, wear them and just go out now.

Joe Rogan 1:03 And it just makes-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04 They have little, like, cups. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:06 Little reservoirs?

Bridget Phetasy 1:07 Yeah, the one I have is, um, I think it's called an Evie, and you can just... It's like to go, you know, all the stuff, like, for women is, like-

Joe Rogan 1:14 Is there, like, a trough under that catches it-

Bridget Phetasy 1:16 Kind of. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:16 ... if you splash around? (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:16 They're like little, they're like... (laughs) They're really cool.

Joe Rogan 1:20 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 1:20 And you can just be on the go, so you're not, you know, chained to, like, the pump like you used to be.

Joe Rogan 1:25 Can you hit a pause button-

Bridget Phetasy 1:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27 ... and you unscrew it and, like, put it in, like, a freezer bag?

Bridget Phetasy 1:29 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:30 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 1:30 Yeah. They're, they're advanced now. I mean, oh God, I've eaten so much humble pie, I think, since I became a mom, because you have that, like, everyone's like, "You'll understand when you're a parent. You'll understand when you have kids." And you're like, "Ah, shut up." 'Cause it's, when you don't, you can't know until you know.

Joe Rogan 1:48 You can't know.

Bridget Phetasy 1:49 That's-

Joe Rogan 1:49 You can't know.

Bridget Phetasy 1:50 You can't know. That's why it's, it's just, it's m- I think it's radicalized me, too, more in, in many respects. Like, the stuff around kids in our culture right now, I'm, I'm like a one, single issue person now. I'm like, "These kids can't know what they're doing."

Joe Rogan 2:07 You can't influence them that way.

Bridget Phetasy 2:09 No.

Joe Rogan 2:09 No. It's-

Bridget Phetasy 2:09 And it's like, it's not informed consent because you can't know until you know.

Joe Rogan 2:13 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 2:13 Especially about having a kid.

Joe Rogan 2:15 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:15 You can't know what it's like to breastfeed until you breastfeed. I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 2:20 You can only guess.

Bridget Phetasy 2:21 You can guess.

Joe Rogan 2:22 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:22 And I'm sure someday they'll be able to simulate it and have-

Joe Rogan 2:25 Nah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:25 ... like, ver- But it's so... I mean, the whole pregnancy was... I had a lot of anxiety. I think it was... I just was so worried about this little human, and I think as a woman, you carry that mostly yourself until the baby comes out, and then if you have a partner, you're sharing some of that, like, "Oh, I hope they don't die," with your partner. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:48 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 2:49 And it was just like, I would get... I, I used to... I've been on this podcast and said I hate Instagram, like, I don't even know how many times. I became, like, Instagram addict in pregnancy because at, late at night, the, like, wholesome third trimester content, I was like, "This is, this is what I'm here for."

Joe Rogan 3:08 What do you mean?

Bridget Phetasy 3:08 "It's so relatable."

Joe Rogan 3:09 What's, what's wholesome trimester?

Bridget Phetasy 3:11 Third trimester content, like, there's so much pregnancy content on Instagram because it's just an altar to all things basic, and it is... And when you're pregnant, you're like, "Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I can't-"

Joe Rogan 3:24 So it, like, gets you.

Bridget Phetasy 3:24 "... I can't see my vagina." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:26 The algorithm-

Bridget Phetasy 3:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:27 ... finds you 'cause you look for it.

Bridget Phetasy 3:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:29 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 3:30 And I fell in love with Instagram, and now I'm, I'm all, I'm all on board.

Joe Rogan 3:34 Do you do TikTok?

Bridget Phetasy 3:36 No. I won't even put it on my phone.

Joe Rogan 3:37 Good for you. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 3:38 It's Chinese spyware.

Joe Rogan 3:39 It's Chinese spyware.

Bridget Phetasy 3:40 Why are we letting people put this on their phones?

Joe Rogan 3:44 It, it should be banned. It's, it's sp- And no, and I'm not-

Bridget Phetasy 3:47 (laughs) I'm with Trump.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Yeah. But I'm not, I'm n- I mean, I'm not, I'm saying this because I talk to security experts.

Bridget Phetasy 3:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:52 It's fucking dangerous.

Bridget Phetasy 3:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Did you see the thing where... What is it called? ByteDance?

Bridget Phetasy 3:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:56 The parent company was, uh, specifically looking to use TikTok to target the location of specific American citizens.

Bridget Phetasy 4:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:05 Including probably, like, Chinese dissidents that have-

Bridget Phetasy 4:08 Oh.

Joe Rogan 4:08 ... or people that have left.

Bridget Phetasy 4:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah. Like, you know, I've talked to people that are security experts, and they explain the whole system of how it works.

Bridget Phetasy 4:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:18 Like, they have a super sophisticated system of infiltrating universities, and they bring... Like, 'cause we have an open society, right? So because of our open society, they, um, they send, you know, basically employees of the Chinese government to come over here to get educated.

Bridget Phetasy 4:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:36 They get educated, and then they infiltrate universities, and they find out all of this research that's been going on in whatever category, in whatever thing, and then they send all that stuff back to China.

Bridget Phetasy 4:49 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:50 It's a bit... It's, it's, it's fucking wild. It's... We, we fuel their, their progress through innovation that takes place in America.

Bridget Phetasy 4:59 Well, not to mention that it's breaking the brains of all of our youth and turning them into-

Joe Rogan 5:04 I think TikTok is.

Bridget Phetasy 5:05 ... pudding.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 5:05 TikTok.

Joe Rogan 5:05 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 5:05 And not to mention that you have kids who now want to become TikTok stars instead of, like, going into STEM. (laughs) You know?

Joe Rogan 5:15 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 5:15 They're like... China's like, "Great, let's, let's make all these young girls successful on TikTok and make it seem like a dream for all of the society" (laughs) "these kids can attain."

Joe Rogan 5:27 Well, if that's true-

Bridget Phetasy 5:27 "I want to be a TikTok star."

Joe Rogan 5:28 ... this is like OnlyFans designed by Russia.

Bridget Phetasy 5:31 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 5:32 Because, like, that is fucking up a lot of people.

Bridget Phetasy 5:35 I don't... I've never... It's funny being me who was, like, always p- posting nudies online before OnlyFans existed. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:45 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 5:45 Just for fun, and for free, and now OnlyFans is a thing, and I haven't even, like... I've never even been on it. I don't even know... I don't even know what's on there.

Joe Rogan 5:56 I was having a conversation about this with a friend of mine the other day, and he was saying, like, that th- he has friends that have girlfriends and wives that are on OnlyFans, and because they're making extraordinary amounts of money-... like, it's really hard to not do it anymore.

Bridget Phetasy 6:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:13 It's like, if you're getting, you know, some pe- You know, we talked about this before, like, the average person's not making much.

Bridget Phetasy 6:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:19 But some- some of these gals that develop these big Instagram pages where they have, like, a million Instagram followers, they're making tens of thousands of dollars every month-

Bridget Phetasy 6:28 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:29 ... on- on OnlyFans. And so then they get in a relationship, and, you know, it's a serious relationship, but, you know, you're fingering yourself on-

Bridget Phetasy 6:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:36 ... this fucking platform for strangers.

Bridget Phetasy 6:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 6:40 It's like, where does that end? And- w- well, okay, if you have a child, do you back off then? "Well, honey, we need money." You know?

Bridget Phetasy 6:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:46 I mean, it's no big deal, you know, my fans are cool. They realize that I'm taken and I'm a mom, and like... It's a- I am all for freedom, right? I'm all for you being able to do whatever you want to do. But everything comes with a price.

Bridget Phetasy 7:00 Of course.

Joe Rogan 7:00 And that thing comes with a weird price because it's- you're selling intimacy. Like, the- the photo is a woman alone in a bedroom.

Bridget Phetasy 7:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:10 Or a video is a woman alone in a bedroom with, like, ankle socks and- and a fucking, you know, a- a jersey on, with little baby underwear that she's pulling to the side. Like, what- what is that?

Bridget Phetasy 7:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:23 Like, who's there? Like, who's taking this photo?

Bridget Phetasy 7:26 I mean...

Joe Rogan 7:26 Like, is this for- is this- you- are you pretending that this is for you? Like, this- it's a weird little relationship that you have for these people that pay to subscribe.

Bridget Phetasy 7:35 I would be a full of shit hypocrite if I didn't address the fact that I've... Okay, so I started posting nudes (laughs) online for free.

Joe Rogan 7:47 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 7:47 And then people started demanding them. And I was just posting them because I thought it was funny, mostly 'cause it made comedians mad on Twitter that I was using nudity to get followers, and I just thought it was hilarious, 'cause I'm like- I was in- like a trickster, I'm like, "Whatever."

Joe Rogan 8:00 But wait, who- who would get mad at that?

Bridget Phetasy 8:02 People were just getting mad that, like, not important people, just people were like, "Oh, this- this girl is, like..." I'm like, "Who cares?"

Joe Rogan 8:09 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 8:09 But it was funny to me, and it was amusing. And then people started demanding them, and then Patreon came around, and then you can have different levels on Patreon, and one of my levels was not, like, vagina pictures, but pictures of my boobs and my butt. And I was like, "Who wants to pay for 40-year-old titties?"

Joe Rogan 8:28 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 8:30 (laughs) Like, no one.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Someone.

Bridget Phetasy 8:32 Who- You could get them for free.

Joe Rogan 8:34 Yeah, but people will pay.

Bridget Phetasy 8:34 But people paid.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 8:36 And I thought it was f- it was- and like you said, it gave me insight into this relationship because I was- everybody's very respectful, first of all, and they were paying for my writing and all this other stuff, and it- it got weird, definitely-

Joe Rogan 8:50 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 8:50 ... where I was like, "What? I don't want to get addicted to the money doing this-"

Joe Rogan 8:55 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 8:55 "... because I- I'm doing it for fun." Like, it was something-

Joe Rogan 9:00 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 9:00 ... that I started doing, I never wanted to feel like I had to do it, and I ended up, um, just- I just shifted away from doing it. I just, like, naturally evolved out of it, but I was making pretty good money.

Joe Rogan 9:15 (laughs) Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 9:15 I still don't understand it, but it gave me a lot of insight and I'd just, like, I would be- I know that if I did not address this, people would be like, "That girl used to send pictures of her butt on the internet." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:26 Well, I'm glad you addressed it then. It's- it's just a strange little outlet. And look, I'm all for people capitalizing and using- you know, finding different ways to make money, that's not the issue that I have. I don't even have an issue with it. I'm all for you doing it. But I'm just saying, like, for a person that's in a relationship or a person that one day is going to be a mom or a per-

Bridget Phetasy 9:46 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:46 ... you know, like, that's the thing, like...

Bridget Phetasy 9:47 How am I gonna explain this?

Joe Rogan 9:49 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 9:49 I mean, it's out there.

Joe Rogan 9:50 Well, I think you explain it by being yourself. Like, you're a good person, you- you- you'll- you'll be honest with your kid. It's like, it's not the worst thing in the world.

Bridget Phetasy 9:58 No.

Joe Rogan 9:58 It's not even a bad thing.

Bridget Phetasy 10:00 I did it only because- mostly because people started demanding them and getting entitled-

Joe Rogan 10:04 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 10:04 ... and I was like, "Now you bastards are gonna have to pay." And it w- it was never something like, "I'm gonna do this if I don't want to." And then naturally, I grew up, I got into a relationship, and, like, even my husband will get it online, people will be like, "Did you know your wife's boobs are online?" He's like, "They are?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:25 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 10:26 Of course he knows, and he knew that this was- and he never, like, pressured me not to, but I didn't want to anymore because, like I said to my friend once, I was like, "Why are people paying for this?" And he's like, "There are a lot of lonely people in the world, Bridget, and-"

Joe Rogan 10:39 There are. There are also a lot of people that get obsessed with other people, right?

Bridget Phetasy 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 They read your writing, they like the way you think, they get kind of obsessed with your mind.

Bridget Phetasy 10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:47 They pretend they're in a relationship with you.

Bridget Phetasy 10:48 Yeah, so... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:50 Wow. Hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 10:51 I had a lot of insight into it though, and they- and it really- I mean, we were laughing hysterically about this the other day because an email- mail came through and this guy was like, "Can you (laughs) can you..." (laughs) "Can Bridget please take some nice high resolution pictures of her butt hole?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:10 High resolution?

Bridget Phetasy 11:11 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:12 Yeah, apparently that's-

Bridget Phetasy 11:13 So you're s-

Joe Rogan 11:13 ... a big request on the OnlyFans.

Bridget Phetasy 11:14 Is it?

Joe Rogan 11:15 They want butt hole photos.

Bridget Phetasy 11:16 Oh God. See I never-

Joe Rogan 11:17 Actual butt hole.

Bridget Phetasy 11:18 Part of the reason that I started putting nudes online is be- and I've written about this for Playboy, and I think it's, like, one of the few articles that's still up on Playboy of my 100 that were there, and it was why I get naked online or why I post nudes online. And part of it was I was, like, real early to sending nudies. I- I would take a picture with a digital camera, upload it to my computer, and then send them via email to guys. I mean, I- I was probably, like, 23 when this bec- the technology became- because I thought it was fun and flirty, and then I realized, like, "Oh shit, this is out there," and I didn't want anybody to have, like, the power over me that they could hold that over my head ever, even though I was a nobody. I don't know- I don't know what I was thinking.

Joe Rogan 12:08 Wh-

Bridget Phetasy 12:08 But I didn't want anyone to be able to hold it over me, and so I just started- I p- I mean, since, like, 2006 when I started my website, I was posting-... greeting cards w- that I made with nude pictures of mine on there. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:22 There's nothing wrong with being nude. There's nothing wrong with posting pictures of nude. W- wha- h- you said, uh, that Playboy took... did they take some of your articles down?

Bridget Phetasy 12:31 Yes. And I had... I mean, I had written, you know, I... you posted one of my early pieces, actually, the, um, women date assholes because you're a pussy. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:42 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 12:42 Still one of my favorite things I've ever written. And it... that's still up there. The one about getting nude is up there, but then most... I did... like, some of the work I did for them, I was very proud of, and I turned into more of a journalist working for them. My first editor, Joe Donatelli, I used to be like, "I'm not a journalist. I'm an opinion writer," and he's like, "All good opinion writers are journalists." And I was... I... like, I went to a free the nipple thing. This was kind of when things started evolving, and I was, like, all about freeing the nipple, so I thought. And I went... I was supposed to go cover this rally, and I get there, and this very young girl is, like, barely legal, like, maybe turned 18 the day before the rally. (laughs) And she's kind of running this free the nipple thing with a lot of her young friends a- on the beach in Santa Monica. And suddenly, I went in being like, "Yeah, I'm gonna be all for this," and then there was this pervert on the beach, and he was there with, like, a digital camera, which was my first red flag. And... because this was... you know, it was just creepy. And he was taking pictures of them, and all of a sudden I was like, "Put your clothes on, ladies!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:55 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 13:55 Like, "There are perverts everywhere!" (laughs) Like, "There's a pedophile over there."

Joe Rogan 14:02 So d- it's- d-

Bridget Phetasy 14:03 And it changed by... suddenly I was like, "I'm not sure how I feel about this."

Joe Rogan 14:07 Do you think it's just, like, girls that just want attention, but they don't know what that means?

Bridget Phetasy 14:12 These girls didn't... this girl, at least the one who was in charge, was so... she was so interesting and just like a r- she was like a radical feminist, just a young radical feminist who was like, "Men can have their nipples out, why can't women?"

Joe Rogan 14:25 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 14:26 And they can be free on the beach, why can't we? And so she was just, I think, pushing for m- more equality, in her mind, and, and I, I understood that. You know, I, I don't think it was for her, like, about getting... she didn't strike me as that kind of person-

Joe Rogan 14:44 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 14:44 ... at least when I met her. And it was, it was just, um... it was a very strange scene, and then I suddenl- and I left it, and I went back to my editor and I was like, "I have no idea (laughs) how I feel about this anymore," and he's like, "Good. That means you're a journalist." That's what journalists should do, go in with maybe a s- some feeling of how they think and gather information that might change their mind.

Joe Rogan 15:07 That is really journalism. And that is actually an important opinion piece, because you went in with this one idea, and then seeing the reality of the situation made you alter your perceptions.

Bridget Phetasy 15:17 Yeah. I mean, even having, even having... now being... breastfeeding, and being a mom, and, and being somebody who's just been... like, my body was a vanity project. I was like, "Oh, this has utility." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:33 (laughs) Utility. That's-

Bridget Phetasy 15:35 Like, these things-

Joe Rogan 15:37 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 15:37 ... they have a purpose. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:38 It is kind of wild that that's the reason why we're attracted to them.

Bridget Phetasy 15:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:42 That we're attracted to them because of the fact that they have utility, and the, uh... women that have more, uh, you know, traditionally sexually attractive bodies are more... they're more likely to breed.

Bridget Phetasy 15:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:55 They're more... they're, they're more... you know. What's the word I'm looking for?

Bridget Phetasy 16:01 (laughs) Fuckable? No, I'm j- (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:02 I mean, you know what I'm saying, though? Like, viable?

Bridget Phetasy 16:04 Viable?

Joe Rogan 16:05 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 16:05 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 16:06 Whatever the word is.

Bridget Phetasy 16:06 Whatev- whatever word we use, it's- (laughs) it's gonna be.

Joe Rogan 16:09 Yeah, it's gonna be a problem. But it might... the tra- you know, like the narrower hips, the l-

Bridget Phetasy 16:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 ... or the narrow waist, the large hips, that's all so you can give bave- babies better.

Bridget Phetasy 16:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:17 You can give birth better.

Bridget Phetasy 16:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:18 It's weird how all that stuff works.

Bridget Phetasy 16:20 I don't have breeding hips. My, my, my child came out as, as writer and thinker and hilarious... Mary Harrington calls it, um, she came out of the sunroof. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:34 (laughs) That's a- imagine being, uh, a person without breeding hips that was born 100 years ago.

Bridget Phetasy 16:38 Uh, you would've died. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:40 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 16:42 Yeah, that's, that's another thing. Childbirth is still very dangerous. I was not one of those, like, "I'm gonna have a pool and go have my baby in the moonlight-"

Joe Rogan 16:51 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 16:51 "... all by myself with a doula," and like, that... I, I admire women who do that because they are... they have some ability to just block out fear or something. (laughs) To just, like... I don't, I don't know. There are women who are just so good at the n- the home births and-

Joe Rogan 17:09 Home birth is weird because if something goes sideways-

Bridget Phetasy 17:13 Woo! (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:13 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 17:13 I mean, it's terrifying to me.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah, you want to be-

Bridget Phetasy 17:16 Terrifying.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... around people that have a lot of kids come out of vaginas on a weekly basis-

Bridget Phetasy 17:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 17:21 ... and they're really good at it.

Bridget Phetasy 17:23 And I know so many women who have had home bir- home births and they were completely fine and they had their, their baby and... but I just... I was in, um... I was... I think I was really affected when I was in Dublin. I was in this... it was, like, a big grave cemetery and there were all these... like, it was like a dead kid area, basically, babies that died in birt- in childbirth from-

Joe Rogan 17:47 Oh, wow.

Bridget Phetasy 17:47 And there were just thousands of them. There's a whole portion of the cemetery devoted to this. And a lot of the pe- moms, too, died, and a lot of the names were Bridget, and my friend was like, "Is this making you uncomfortable?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:00 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 18:00 I'm like, "No, I'm just another dead Bridget." It's, like, weirdly... just, like, another soon-to-be-dead Bridget. It's-

Joe Rogan 18:06 Well, it's that part of the world, that name's pretty popular.

Bridget Phetasy 18:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:08 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 18:08 But it was... it really struck me how far we've come-

Joe Rogan 18:12 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 18:12 ... in terms of making childbirth safe. And I think... it's like a lot of things. The reason you think you don't need a measles vaccine is because we don't have the measles anymore and kids aren't dying of the measles, and the reason home births are probably rising in popularity is...... because people don't die in childbirth as often as they did.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Well, it's the same reason why people like, like reclaimed wood paneling on the walls.

Bridget Phetasy 18:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:39 They wanna, they wanna like go back to the oldie days in their head, you know?

Bridget Phetasy 18:42 Do you wanna go back to the oldie days?

Joe Rogan 18:44 I just, I just think the way it looks good.

Bridget Phetasy 18:45 It does look good.

Joe Rogan 18:45 But, but there's a thing about it-

Bridget Phetasy 18:47 Totally.

Joe Rogan 18:47 It's like you're trying to pretend you live in a barn.

Bridget Phetasy 18:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:49 (laughs) You know?

Bridget Phetasy 18:52 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 18:53 It's like, I want organic everything, and I want, you know... It's like, there's this thing, I want hand pre- pressed butter, you know?

Bridget Phetasy 18:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:59 I want hand-churned this, and, you know, it's... We, we, we have like this, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 19:04 (laughs) Like, but I don't wanna press it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 19:06 I don't, I don't wanna have to like actually churn it.

Joe Rogan 19:09 There's this, like, idealistic view of the past-

Bridget Phetasy 19:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:12 ... and of, uh, you know, "natural," air quotes-

Bridget Phetasy 19:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:16 ... things.

Bridget Phetasy 19:17 And there is something to be said for it-

Joe Rogan 19:19 Sure.

Bridget Phetasy 19:20 ... but it was very time-consuming. People are getting, like, their, their (laughs) churned butter, like, Postmated to them now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:27 But even, like, a natural birth in a bathtub, I'm like, "Let's, let's be real. When people first had babies, they shit 'em out on a cave floor."

Bridget Phetasy 19:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:34 Okay? Like, the, the technology of a bathtub-

Bridget Phetasy 19:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:39 ... would lend to safer births. Like, an-, you know, you could take that one step further and go to the fucking hospital.

Bridget Phetasy 19:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:45 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:45 I went, I went to the hospital.

Joe Rogan 19:47 Go to the hospital, please.

Bridget Phetasy 19:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:48 Kids, imagine doing, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 19:50 I don't know, some people... You're gonna get a lot of pushback on that, 'cause there's a whole home-

Joe Rogan 19:56 I know, there's a whole movement, a home birth movement.

Bridget Phetasy 19:58 Home birth movement, and it's-

Joe Rogan 19:59 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 19:59 But when you actually, like I went down the rabbit hole of the numbers, and when you look at the actual statistics, I'm like, "Do these people not look (laughs) at the statistics?" I think it's like 50% of them end up going to a hospital.

Joe Rogan 20:12 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 20:12 The ones... Because it's so, so much can, so much can go wrong.

Joe Rogan 20:16 Well, I think first, you first feel the vagina tear pain-

Bridget Phetasy 20:20 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 20:20 ... and you're like, "W- is there a way you can-"

Bridget Phetasy 20:22 The ring of fire.

Joe Rogan 20:23 "... stop this from happening?" The ring of fire?

Bridget Phetasy 20:25 That's what, that's what they call it.

Joe Rogan 20:26 That's what they call it?

Bridget Phetasy 20:26 The ring of fire when the baby's crowning. Oh. Yeah, no, it's c- it's crazy, and I, I... You know, there's so much pressure, too, I think, like you're less of a woman if you... It's weird-

Joe Rogan 20:40 If you get the painkillers?

Bridget Phetasy 20:41 No, if you get the painkillers, or if you get a c- a cesarean, you know?

Joe Rogan 20:46 Oh, God. Really?

Bridget Phetasy 20:47 Because, yeah, there's, there's a s- there's, like, a lot of competition, I think, in the, in the... It's a weird, you know, like, my birth was more re- natural than your birth out there. And I think there's a lot of pressure on women to try and have as natural of a birth as they possibly can. And many women go into, with their birthing plan... My OB/GYN laughed at me, 'cause he, I was like, "My birthing plan (laughs) is me and the baby live through the birth." (laughs) "Like, that's it."

Joe Rogan 21:17 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 21:17 He's like, "Honestly, that's the best birthing plan to have," but so many people go in with a, a birthing plan is a thing now, and they go in, and they're like, "I don't want any drugs," and like four hours in they're like, "Give me the drugs!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:31 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 21:31 "Get me the fucking drugs!"

Joe Rogan 21:32 I don't think you could possibly imagine what that pain is like, I guess, until you experience it.

Bridget Phetasy 21:37 I have a lot of friends who have gone bareback with no-

Joe Rogan 21:42 Ooh.

Bridget Phetasy 21:42 ... painkiller and just-

Joe Rogan 21:44 Rugged women.

Bridget Phetasy 21:45 Yeah, they're t- and they... Actually, most of them are from the Midwest, like they're, they're my-

Joe Rogan 21:50 They're hearty.

Bridget Phetasy 21:50 ... friends from Minnesota. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:51 They're hearty.

Bridget Phetasy 21:52 They're just badass in that way. I just know myself. I, I know... My mom had five C-sections, so-

Joe Rogan 21:58 Wow, what is that like after the fifth one?

Bridget Phetasy 22:01 I don't even know-

Joe Rogan 22:01 What's that road look like?

Bridget Phetasy 22:02 ... if they'll let you, yeah. I don't know if they'll even let you do that anymore. I'm not sure-

Joe Rogan 22:08 Well, how will they stop you from doing that?

Bridget Phetasy 22:09 I don't know how they stop you, but-

Joe Rogan 22:11 'Cause you can't have vaginal birth after you have a C-section, right? It just-

Bridget Phetasy 22:14 Well, you can. It's called a VBAC. It's like vaginal birth after cesarean. And so, you, nowadays, you can, and women are, often do. They go-

Joe Rogan 22:24 When did that change?

Bridget Phetasy 22:25 Pretty recently, I think, and it was, like a lot of the thinking around it changed, that you don't have to n- it's, one cesarean doesn't necessarily mean you have to have a cesarean. I think it, a lot of it depends on, like, how long ago you had your cesarean, um-

Joe Rogan 22:39 That it's all healed up?

Bridget Phetasy 22:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:41 Does, how does your, your abdominal area feel?

Bridget Phetasy 22:45 Um-

Joe Rogan 22:46 Does it feel like it got cut open?

Bridget Phetasy 22:48 Well, because they move the muscles-

Joe Rogan 22:49 (laughs) Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 22:50 ... so there's definitely some weakness. I've been just trying to... I started doing kind of, like, core rehab right away, just because I knew, uh, my, it would go into my back, carrying around the baby, and a lot of people I know have just back issues after cesareans. And it definitely feels like, especially like the lower abs, they just, I have a harder time engaging them, and it feels weaker. Obviously, it was s- six months ago, so. Um, if, and I have a scar. She was big. She was, uh, she was, she was like almost nine pounds. She came out like, "Whoo!"

Joe Rogan 23:27 Nine pounds is a, that's a, that's a solid dumbbell.

Bridget Phetasy 23:31 She's, yeah, she's a-

Joe Rogan 23:33 Carrying around, how much did you have, like, if you, um, if you look at your, uh, like the baby's nine pounds, and then how much other stuff is in there, what's the s-

Bridget Phetasy 23:43 S- s-

Joe Rogan 23:43 ... the weight of all the, you know, the placenta and everything?

Bridget Phetasy 23:47 Yeah. Apparently, my placenta was, like, abnormally big, too. (laughs) He, he was like, "Good job. That placenta was huge." And-

Joe Rogan 23:54 Does that mean you're healthy?

Bridget Phetasy 23:55 I don't know, I, maybe. I mean, f- I'm 40, I had a baby at 43 years old.

Joe Rogan 24:00 (whistles)

Bridget Phetasy 24:00 And I wanna be clear-

Joe Rogan 24:01 That's a buzzer. Eh! (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 24:02 Yeah. (laughs) I'm convinced it was, like, the last egg.

Joe Rogan 24:06 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 24:06 Um, I wanna be very clear that it was a miracle, 'cause I think people will hear my story, and they'll be like, "Oh, I can wait." No, don't wait. Don't wait. Even if you get your eggs frozen, even if, it's still so much harder the older you get, not to mention, if you look at the numbers for chromosomal abnormalities, it all goes exponentially up the older you get.

Joe Rogan 24:30 And me- men need to know that it goes up for their sperm as well.

Bridget Phetasy 24:33 Mm.

Joe Rogan 24:34 It's not simply the woman's age. I got a conversation with a friend of mine, he was 49, and he was thinking about having a kid, he's like, "Oh, you know, it's really more important that the girl's younger." I go, "No, it's not."

Bridget Phetasy 24:42 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 24:42 "You need to read."

Bridget Phetasy 24:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:44 Like, like, (laughs) like, like, like there's issues when men are older and they start having children.

Bridget Phetasy 24:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 And as you get into your 50s and 60s, and, and there's guys out there-... baby's in their fucking 70s.

Bridget Phetasy 24:54 I know.

Joe Rogan 24:55 Look at Mick Jagger.

Bridget Phetasy 24:56 I know.

Joe Rogan 24:56 He shot a live one in there a couple of years ago.

Bridget Phetasy 24:58 I know. But he's Mick Jagger, he seems like he's pretty youthful. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:02 Do you know he's the same age as Biden?

Bridget Phetasy 25:04 (laughs) He's out there dancing and doing splits.

Joe Rogan 25:07 Yeah. We saw him at COTA, at the Circuit of the Americas here.

Bridget Phetasy 25:10 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 25:10 The, the Stones were there. It was-

Bridget Phetasy 25:12 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:12 ... it was like a psychedelic experience. Like, I was, like, it was, I was, like I was on drugs. I was sitting there watching, "I can't believe they're there. That's really Mick Jagger, that's really Keith Richards."

Bridget Phetasy 25:21 They did sell their souls to the devil. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:24 Well, they're old as fuck. I mean, they look 79.

Bridget Phetasy 25:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:28 But, I mean, it's just, knowing the history of the Rolling Stones-

Bridget Phetasy 25:32 So crazy.

Joe Rogan 25:32 ... and what they've gone through, and to see them out there still touring. He works out every day. He has two trailers that are just his, his workout equipment.

Bridget Phetasy 25:41 Have you ever seen the Rolling Stone art exhibit that was going around, I think, maybe, like, I don't know, I feel like it was 2016? It was in London, then it came to the States. It's amazing. It takes you through their whole history, and those guys were selling out stadiums in the '70s.

Joe Rogan 25:58 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 25:59 In the s- I mean, I think-

Joe Rogan 26:01 Yeah, 50 fucking years ago.

Bridget Phetasy 26:02 ... who is it that has... Mulaney, I think, has that great bit about Mick Jagger where h- and he talks about just how, how can you be normal? I mean, I, I love your stadium videos, and I was like, "How, how are you normal after that?" But how are you normal if you're Mick Jagger?

Joe Rogan 26:17 I don't know.

Bridget Phetasy 26:18 50 years of that, of-

Joe Rogan 26:20 But I think that becomes your normal.

Bridget Phetasy 26:22 Well, of course. Like, anything.

Joe Rogan 26:23 That's all it is.

Bridget Phetasy 26:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:24 Like, Mick Jagger was in Austin He went to bars, and shit-

Bridget Phetasy 26:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:27 ... and played pool and was eating pizza.

Bridget Phetasy 26:29 Amazing.

Joe Rogan 26:29 Just, like, out there doing normal shit.

Bridget Phetasy 26:31 He's so-

Joe Rogan 26:31 Took, took photos, uh, put it on his Instagram.

Bridget Phetasy 26:34 Sh- he's-

Joe Rogan 26:35 "I'm here at the pub."

Bridget Phetasy 26:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:36 (laughs) Like, he's just, like, c- c- going out.

Bridget Phetasy 26:39 He has so much vitality though.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 26:41 He really is... I mean, I understand him having a, uh, shoot and a live one out at 70 'cause he seems virile to me. You know, he's got that kind of-

Joe Rogan 26:49 Look at that.

Bridget Phetasy 26:50 It's insane.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Look at that, that's insane. That's the crowd.

Bridget Phetasy 26:52 I saw them when I was in high school, which was over 20 years ago, and they were old then.

Joe Rogan 26:57 That's in '75.

Bridget Phetasy 26:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:59 So that is... Where is that, in Cleveland?

Narrator 27:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Is that what it said, Jamie?

Narrator 27:02 Yeah, it's Cleveland.

Joe Rogan 27:03 What is the, uh, arena?

Narrator 27:05 Uh.

Joe Rogan 27:05 It's like a baseball.

Narrator 27:06 I mean, it's, it's where the Indians and the Browns played back then.

Joe Rogan 27:08 Sh- look how many fucking people are in the crowd. Look at the floor.

Bridget Phetasy 27:12 I know.

Joe Rogan 27:12 Just the floor-

Bridget Phetasy 27:13 Oh.

Joe Rogan 27:13 ... it's ants. That's gotta be 100,000 people, right?

Bridget Phetasy 27:16 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:17 Doesn't, doesn't that look like 100,000 people?

Bridget Phetasy 27:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:19 And that's in '75.

Bridget Phetasy 27:22 Wow.

Joe Rogan 27:23 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 27:23 Yeah, no, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:24 And every, like, 20 years, he upgrades, gets a new wife. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 27:29 (laughs) That's what you can do when you're Mick Jagger.

Joe Rogan 27:30 "Oh, we've had a good run." (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 27:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:34 Yeah, look at that fucking crowd, 81?

Bridget Phetasy 27:36 No, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 27:37 And they're still so good.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Yeah. Oh, the show they put on was phenomenal.

Bridget Phetasy 27:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:43 It was phenomenal.

Bridget Phetasy 27:44 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 27:45 And then w- we hung out with Roger Waters. Like, Roger Waters came, and then we saw him in, in Austin. Holy shit is his show good.

Bridget Phetasy 27:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:52 It was absolutely the best live show I've ever seen in my life.

Bridget Phetasy 27:55 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 27:56 It's incredible.

Bridget Phetasy 27:57 What made it the best live show?

Joe Rogan 27:59 The visuals-

Bridget Phetasy 28:00 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 28:01 ... that go with the performance. He has these enormous screens, and he's the only guy I've ever seen that can successfully integrate an, a real message-

Bridget Phetasy 28:12 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 28:12 ... in with his music that coincides with the music and enhances the experience. You don't feel like you're getting preached to, because that is really who that man is.

Bridget Phetasy 28:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:23 And his songs, these brilliant songs that, you know, span decades, he sings them and has his band play them while these immense visuals... And I w- I was told that it was the largest, heaviest stage set in the world.

Bridget Phetasy 28:38 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:38 It's insane. Do you have photos from that?

Narrator 28:40 Yes, yes, I have some photographs.

Bridget Phetasy 28:42 Wow.

Joe Rogan 28:42 It's fucking wild. When you see the visuals... And Roger Waters-

Bridget Phetasy 28:49 Does he-

Joe Rogan 28:49 ... at, after every show, gets a flash drive, and he eats and then he goes back to his room, he puts the flash drive in his computer, he watches the performance and he tweaks it.

Bridget Phetasy 29:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 29:00 He changes the words, he changes the visuals. So like... These, those are all screens-

Bridget Phetasy 29:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 29:09 ... all across the top of it. And i- there's, it's like a plus sign, you know, like...

Bridget Phetasy 29:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:15 And so all around it are screens, so everywhere you are, you see these immense screens that have these visuals that go with, like, Comfortably Numb-

Bridget Phetasy 29:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 29:27 ... and whatever song they're playing. Wish You Were Here. It's fucking amazing.

Bridget Phetasy 29:32 (laughs) I thought it would just be like, The Wizard of Oz playing. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:35 (laughs) He says that's just total cosmic coincidence.

Bridget Phetasy 29:39 Wow, okay.

Joe Rogan 29:39 Isn't that crazy? That the c- the Dark Side of the Moon, like, if you sync it up with The Wizard of Oz you would swear that it was designed that way, but it's not.

Bridget Phetasy 29:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:48 It's just a cosmic coincidence.

Bridget Phetasy 29:50 I grew up listening to this. God, I would just get so stoned.

Joe Rogan 29:54 Yeah, you, if you went to see that, you'd feel like you were stoned, even if you were sober.

Bridget Phetasy 29:58 Yeah, that's like, um, um, Tool. Have you ever been to a Tool show?

Joe Rogan 30:01 No, I haven't.

Bridget Phetasy 30:02 They have amazing, amazing visuals on their shows. I mean, it's, it's crazy. I think I-

Joe Rogan 30:08 I had Majorde on on Monday.

Bridget Phetasy 30:09 Oh, really?

Joe Rogan 30:10 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 30:10 Ah.

Joe Rogan 30:10 He's a trip. He is such a trip. He's such a unique guy.

Bridget Phetasy 30:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:15 He came in, uh, two and a half hours before the podcast-

Bridget Phetasy 30:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:19 ... and did jujitsu.

Bridget Phetasy 30:20 Oh, cool.

Joe Rogan 30:21 So he came in, we brought John Donaher, is like the best jujitsu instructor in the world who lives here in Austin, and they went over the final points of triangle chokes-

Bridget Phetasy 30:28 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 30:29 ... in, in my gym while we were waiting to go do a podcast. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 30:32 That's so cool. I have to listen to that one. Yeah, that, that was one of the trippiest, most amazing visual... I still remember that show. It just, like, blew my mind-

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 30:42 ... what they were doing visually.

Joe Rogan 30:44 Well, he's, uh, you know, he's an artist.

Bridget Phetasy 30:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:47 He's a guy that, like, goes over every detail of everything and-

Bridget Phetasy 30:50 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:51 ... you know?

Bridget Phetasy 30:51 I think music is so transcendent.

Joe Rogan 30:54 It is.

Bridget Phetasy 30:54 I, it's my f- I, of all the arts, I love all of the arts and F all of these kids who are gluing themselves to fricking-... classic art pieces. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:04 Yeah. Well, they're gluing themselves to the wall-

Bridget Phetasy 31:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:06 ... and throwing soup on the plastic-

Bridget Phetasy 31:07 Someone glued themself-

Joe Rogan 31:08 ... plastic pa-

Bridget Phetasy 31:08 ... to the actual painting the other day.

Joe Rogan 31:10 Another one?

Bridget Phetasy 31:10 The Girl with a Pearl Earring, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:12 Wait, where was this?

Bridget Phetasy 31:13 Um ... Where at -where is that painting? I just wa- was reading about it on the way over here.

Joe Rogan 31:19 They should start hacking arms off.

Bridget Phetasy 31:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:21 That would stop that.

Bridget Phetasy 31:22 I was like, "Get all of them."

Joe Rogan 31:24 Just put a tourniquet around their forearm. Uh, "Climate protester glues his head to Girl With a Pearl Earring painting."

Bridget Phetasy 31:31 Oh, yeah. Hey, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:32 Oh, my God.

Bridget Phetasy 31:33 I mean-

Joe Rogan 31:34 He glued his head to the painting.

Bridget Phetasy 31:36 And I'm not sure if this is true, so, maybe fact-check me on this, Jamie, but I also heard that somebody who's funding all of these is one of the grandchildren of the Gettys, which makes it even more hilarious if this is true.

Joe Rogan 31:49 Well, who knows what- how much funding is involved in Krazy Glue.

Bridget Phetasy 31:53 That's an oil family! (laughs) Like if that-

Joe Rogan 31:56 Yeah, but I'm saying it's Krazy Glue.

Bridget Phetasy 31:57 That's so funny. No, I kno-

Joe Rogan 31:58 I mean, but how much funding is involved?

Bridget Phetasy 31:59 But they- they're c- they're climate activists, all these people. So it's just a- it's a-

Joe Rogan 32:05 "Getty Oil fortune heiress helped fund climate activists who have target artworks in museums." Ugh.

Bridget Phetasy 32:10 How ... It's hilarious to me. Like, you are rich because of oil. (laughs) That's-

Joe Rogan 32:17 She looks like the type of person who'd fund that.

Bridget Phetasy 32:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:20 She looks angry. Doesn't she- she's smiling but she-

Bridget Phetasy 32:22 Maybe she was angry to be born to, like, indecent tw-

Joe Rogan 32:25 Does she have a biohazard tattoo on her left arm?

Narrator 32:28 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 32:28 Oh.

Joe Rogan 32:28 Oh, Christ.

Bridget Phetasy 32:30 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 32:30 It does say biohazard. Oh, my God.

Bridget Phetasy 32:32 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:34 There's just something ... Do you see what they did at the Porsche Museum?

Bridget Phetasy 32:36 Where they were, like, mad that they didn't get buckets to poop in?

Joe Rogan 32:40 No, they- they glued themselves to the floor-

Bridget Phetasy 32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 ... so the Porsche people just shut the lights off and left the place.

Bridget Phetasy 32:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:44 "Fuck off."

Bridget Phetasy 32:45 I thought one of the guys was mad. Maybe this was another place.

Joe Rogan 32:48 Yeah. No, they- they- they couldn't go to the bathroom.

Bridget Phetasy 32:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:50 They wanted somewhere to go to the bathroom.

Bridget Phetasy 32:51 (laughs) But are they supposed to-

Joe Rogan 32:51 Look at that. "Glued themselves to Porsche Museum but needed to go potty. Staff simply left, turning off heat and lights rather than calling the police."

Bridget Phetasy 32:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:59 Good for you. Good for you, Porsche. It's so fucking dumb. It's like, "We're- we, uh, we keep, uh, starting the conversation." Like, the conversation's already happening.

Bridget Phetasy 33:11 We shouldn't even be giving them attention, honestly.

Joe Rogan 33:13 Yeah. No, it's g- it's- it-

Bridget Phetasy 33:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:14 ... it's a symbol of this TikTok generation.

Bridget Phetasy 33:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:17 It's- it's a symptom of all this nonsense that you're seeing constantly online. These people, they're trying to get attention with the least amount of work possible.

Bridget Phetasy 33:25 Yeah. I'm like, "Go clean up a beach." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 33:28 Do something productive if you care about the climate. I'm always screaming about this. Like, get a bunch ... O- organize an international clean up the beach day. Take pictures of all the garbage that you collect.

Joe Rogan 33:41 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 33:42 All over the world. Post TikToks about it. I could- I can be an activist. Let me a- but do something.

Joe Rogan 33:48 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 33:48 It would be- it would be really ... It would be moving to see how much garbage is on the beach.

Joe Rogan 33:53 The girls who threw the, uh, soup at the van Gogh, they went on Patrick Bet-David's podcast, and, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 33:59 Oh, I've heard of him.

Joe Rogan 33:59 He- he's a brilliant guy, and he asks them, uh, "May I ask what your pronouns are?" And she said her pronouns are she/he/they.

Bridget Phetasy 34:09 I- I don't understand.

Joe Rogan 34:11 You don't have to. That's perfect. It's perfect. That's nonsense.

Bridget Phetasy 34:15 I don't understand.

Joe Rogan 34:15 You're- you're she/he and you're a they.

Bridget Phetasy 34:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:17 So you're plural, you're masculine, and you're feminine. You're- you're basically a god. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 34:24 I- (laughs) I don't get it, though.

Joe Rogan 34:27 It's okay. You don't have to get it.

Bridget Phetasy 34:29 I don't-

Joe Rogan 34:29 They're 20-year-old kids.

Bridget Phetasy 34:29 ... get it.

Joe Rogan 34:30 They just want attention, and they're so happy they're getting attention, 'cause they think they're fixing the world by gluing themselves to the wall.

Bridget Phetasy 34:36 I would agree, except it's all been institutionalized. Like, people have to put this in their corporate, you know, emails that they're sending to you. They have to ... The- the ... Like, there's policy being written in Europe about energy because of Greta. There's- there- it's not like, "Oh, look at these crazy kids and their crazy ideas, and they're ..." And it's somehow being captured by th- they're capturing institutions.

Joe Rogan 35:05 Well, it's the- the thing du jour, right? It's the thing that people are con-

Bridget Phetasy 35:10 Currentthingism.

Joe Rogan 35:11 Yeah. It's the thing that people are told they have to concentrate on now.

Bridget Phetasy 35:15 But it ... There's still- there's still policies and stuff that are ...

Joe Rogan 35:19 Yes, yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 35:20 So it's still having real-life ramifications.

Joe Rogan 35:23 Oh, it's having-

Bridget Phetasy 35:23 It's not like we're like, "Oh, those crazy kids."

Joe Rogan 35:25 It is having real l- but- but it also ... There's- there's over-corrections, and then there's balances, right?

Bridget Phetasy 35:30 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:31 Like, there's, uh, a guy that I'm gonna talk to that is, uh, covering cobalt mining.

Bridget Phetasy 35:36 Mm.

Joe Rogan 35:36 And cobalt mining is horrific.

Bridget Phetasy 35:39 I know.

Joe Rogan 35:39 It is horrific.

Bridget Phetasy 35:40 I know.

Joe Rogan 35:40 And it is in all of our electronics.

Bridget Phetasy 35:43 I know.

Joe Rogan 35:43 It's like, one of the things that I've been saying about all these people that are tweeting about injustices on the world, they're doing it on a phone that was made by slaves.

Bridget Phetasy 35:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:49 Like, if you go down as far as you can go to find, like, what's- like, what's the source of the stuff that is in the phone that makes it work?

Bridget Phetasy 35:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:58 It's- it's sourced by slavery.

Bridget Phetasy 36:00 All these electric vehicle batteries, too.

Joe Rogan 36:02 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 36:02 I mean, what are we gonna do with all of ... And all the technological waste? What are we ... We just, like, take computers and ... What- what do you do with your old computer?

Joe Rogan 36:11 Well, what do you do with all ... There's a lot. There's a lot to do. Like, I- I would imagine that this is an opportunity for someone to innovate and come up with a way to recycle that stuff and use it in a way. But then I was reading about recycling the other day. I went- I went down a rabbit hole the other day, 'cause I was talk- I was, uh, reading about, um, birds that are swallowing, like, bottle caps and stuff like that.

Bridget Phetasy 36:31 Okay, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:31 It's- it's a giant issue.

Bridget Phetasy 36:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:33 And so then I went on a rabbit hole of seagulls and what cunt seagulls are.

Bridget Phetasy 36:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:37 And seagulls swallowing rabbits and swallowing other birds. It's like, seagulls are monsters.

Bridget Phetasy 36:42 No, they are.

Joe Rogan 36:42 They're fucking monsters.

Bridget Phetasy 36:43 "A seagull on the beach out east swept down and took my cousin's sandwich out of her hand while she was eating it." This is a true story. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:53 That's- that's little. They'll eat your kid. If your kid was small enough, they'd swallow your kid.

Bridget Phetasy 36:57 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:57 I mean, they- they're literal opportunist monsters.

Bridget Phetasy 36:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:59 You know, the- the worst is pelicans. Pelicans swallow seagulls.

Bridget Phetasy 37:03 Okay.

Joe Rogan 37:03 They swoop down. They take a whole seagull. (gobbles)

Bridget Phetasy 37:06 They look like dinosaurs.

Joe Rogan 37:07 They are dinosaurs.

Bridget Phetasy 37:08 Yeah. They look-

Joe Rogan 37:08 They, they are.

Bridget Phetasy 37:09 Whenever you're on the beach and you see them flying by, they look like pterodactyls, like little ones.

Joe Rogan 37:13 Yeah, they're, they're spooky animals. But they're also- also awesome. Um, so then I went down this rabbit hole of recycling.

Bridget Phetasy 37:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:20 And do you know that, like, it's, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% of plastic gets recycled, even though you say recycled?

Bridget Phetasy 37:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Like, you put it in recyclable bin. How much actually gets recycled? Very, very little of it.

Bridget Phetasy 37:32 One of the first articles I ever read in the New York Times Magazine, back when it was good, I was in high school, and there was a whole article about how recycling is basically bullshit.

Joe Rogan 37:42 Yeah, it's basically bullshit. It's... I mean, it could work, but it doesn't work.

Bridget Phetasy 37:46 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:46 It's... Could work. If you could get all the plastic, and there was some sort of a, like, financially feasible way to gather it all up and process it and reuse it, it can be done.

Bridget Phetasy 37:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:57 I mean, um, there's that project that they're doing with the, uh, Pacific Garbage Patch, where they're scooping up all that stuff and they're converting it into plastic that they use for items. Like, you can buy, like, uh, eyeglasses-

Bridget Phetasy 38:10 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... that were made, the plastic frames and everything were made with the recycled plastic. So, you can-

Bridget Phetasy 38:16 That's crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:16 Which is cool that they're doing that, and then they're actually... Y- y- y- there's, like, a way to make it financially viable. But overall, most of the plastic, single-use plastic, like bo- bottles, water bottles and stuff like that, it's not being recycled.

Bridget Phetasy 38:30 Like this.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Yeah, we stopped using water bottles here. We, we just... We have the, a water filter now, and then we have these steel cups, and I'm contributing, man.

Bridget Phetasy 38:37 I'm glad.

Joe Rogan 38:38 But meanwhile, I drove an electric car.

Bridget Phetasy 38:40 I mean-

Joe Rogan 38:40 And, you know, and that's not, uh, providing, you know, it's not m- m- putting out bad emissions, but it's also, it's like, where's the batteries coming from?

Bridget Phetasy 38:48 Mm-m... I always think of Thomas Sowell and his, like, famous quote, "There are... there aren't solutions, there are trade-offs." And if you start evaluating everything from that perspective, you can, I feel like, get to more helpful solutions when you know that you're evaluating the trade-offs.

Joe Rogan 39:06 Yeah. No, Thomas Sowell is brilliant.

Bridget Phetasy 39:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:08 He really is brilliant.

Bridget Phetasy 39:09 But I just apply that, you know, to life often, where it's like, "Okay, we're trying to make a decision."

Joe Rogan 39:15 Sure.

Bridget Phetasy 39:15 "And there's gonna be some trade-offs."

Joe Rogan 39:18 But people don't like trade-offs, right? They like binary things.

Bridget Phetasy 39:21 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:21 "This is good. This is bad." You know, it's like abortion is the perfect example of that.

Bridget Phetasy 39:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:26 It is one of those, what I call, uh, it's a messy human issue. Like, I am 100% in favor of a woman's right to choose. However, when you get to, like, late-term, it gets real weird. It gets very cr-... Like, Bill Burr has a fucking amazing bit about it.

Bridget Phetasy 39:43 I saw it. It's brilliant. It's-

Joe Rogan 39:44 It's an amazing bit.

Bridget Phetasy 39:44 He's... Bi- bill is brilliant.

Joe Rogan 39:47 That's the best bit on abortion-

Bridget Phetasy 39:48 You took my cake. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:49 ... I've ever seen. Yeah. It's such a good bit. And it's, it's highlighting exactly what it is. It's like, it's a complex issue, and like Sowell says, it's... There's trade-offs. It's not as simple as, like, "You should be able to do this, and you should... No one should tell you to do that." Yes, you're right, but what about this thing?

Bridget Phetasy 40:07 Roe v. Wade changed the day. I had this woman, Inessa Stumpman, on my podcast, and she's brilliant and very... She's a lawyer, so she has l-... a legal mind. And she and I had a really interesting discussion about it, and just... Y-... She said, "You know, if... This is morally complex, this issue, and if you're not kind of confused and torn about it, you're not really thinking deeply about it." And I do think, with the late-term abortions, it's usually horrific instances when they ha-... It's usually like... It's a very small percentage, and it's usually something horrible and tragic.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Yes, usually.

Bridget Phetasy 40:48 Like the mom doesn't... I need somebody... 'Cause whenever people say, "No, people are doing this in the ninth month," I'm like, "Okay. I, I need an example of somebody doing this before, before I'm just, uh, like, 'Oh my God, people are making this decision.'" But e-... I always thought... I always thought... I had Chris Williamson on my podcast, and he asked me if my views on abortion had changed since I had a kid, but I think my views had been changing kind of prior. Not changing necessarily, but I always thought it was three months. Growing up, I don't know why I thought this. I thought it was three months, and then I learned pretty late, it's embarrassing, that it was, like, five months in a lot of places, and some places, you know, no limits. And I'm definitely squishy about that.

Joe Rogan 41:34 I had a friend, uh, in New York and he was kind of fucked up. He was... He was just a mess, like m- m... a lot of mental health issues, and he was all over the place. He could never get his life together. He was, like, really depressed and was, like, always, like, falling apart and trying to get himself back together again, and was just always a mess. And his girlfriend got pregnant, and, uh, she was pretty far along, and he convinced her to get an abortion.

Bridget Phetasy 41:59 Oh.

Joe Rogan 41:59 It was when you can get a late-term abortion. I mean, she was pregnant. I mean, she was showing-

Bridget Phetasy 42:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:04 ... you know, I don't know how many months, but it was quite a few months, and she was horrified by it. She didn't want to do it, and he kind of forced her into doing it, or talked her into doing it. And, and then later they wound up having kids.

Bridget Phetasy 42:15 Oh.

Joe Rogan 42:15 Which is even crazier.

Bridget Phetasy 42:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 42:18 Right?

Bridget Phetasy 42:18 That's... 'Cause yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:18 It's, it's, it's wild, 'cause it's... I... This was, uh, in the, ah, 90s, early 90s. I don't know what the laws were then or what you were allowed to do or not allowed to do, but it was... He was... He was just so fucked up at the time. I mean, I think he's better now, but he's just... He had a really bad childhood, like physically abused-

Bridget Phetasy 42:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:40 ... and he was just a mess, and he just didn't want to deal with the responsibility and he didn't think he could deal with it, and... You know, that's... But then again, like, should you... (sighs)

Bridget Phetasy 42:52 So, you're, you're pro-choice?

Joe Rogan 42:55 I am 100% pro-choice.

Bridget Phetasy 42:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 42:56 But I'm also aware that there's people like that-

Bridget Phetasy 42:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:00 ... where it's the... I mean, that is the rarity, right?

Bridget Phetasy 43:02 It, it is rare.

Joe Rogan 43:02 I'm not saying it's the norm. I'm not saying there's a bunch of people that are hoping that they-

Bridget Phetasy 43:06 Yeah, they're like, "Na, der, der, der."

Joe Rogan 43:08 Yeah. No.

Bridget Phetasy 43:08 "Don't wanna do this." No.

Joe Rogan 43:10 Yes. I'm 100% pro-choice. First of all, I am a man, and I do not think that it is my right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with their body.

Bridget Phetasy 43:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:20 But I don't think that...... that I don't think that it's clear at what point in time it becomes morbly- morally reprehensible. But there becomes a time where it is.

Bridget Phetasy 43:30 Yeah. I, I mean, and I feel like it's different for everyone.

Joe Rogan 43:34 Yeah, it's-

Bridget Phetasy 43:35 You know, there's... Because pro... I understand the pro-life argument. I, like, completely-

Joe Rogan 43:40 I do, too.

Bridget Phetasy 43:40 If you, if you believe it starts at conception, and that y- like, in that bit, (laughs) you're kind of interrupting a process-

Joe Rogan 43:46 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 43:47 ... that would take place naturally, I understand. Um, I feel like I've become... I guess, like... And I think, honestly, most Americans are pretty squishy on it. Like, in the first three months, they're like, "Okay," 'cause so much goes wrong anyway.

Joe Rogan 44:02 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 44:02 It's why people don't even talk about being pregnant a lot of the time-

Joe Rogan 44:05 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 44:05 ... for the first trimester.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 44:07 But then, after that, the support for it drastically goes down, so as viability goes up on all of the polls, the s- like, support for the abortion kind of goes down, because it's... I think now, the la- the... They have baby, they're keeping babies alive that are, like, 21 weeks, I think is the youngest? I'm not 100%. I know that they're... That's, like, five months.

Joe Rogan 44:32 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 44:33 I mean, it was weird, the abortion ban ca- in Texas, the six-week heart ban came down when I was six weeks pregnant and heard my daughter's heartbeat. And-

Joe Rogan 44:45 What was your thoughts?

Bridget Phetasy 44:46 It was fucked up. It was definitely, like, a weird mind fuck-

Joe Rogan 44:49 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 44:49 ... where I was like, "Uh..."

Joe Rogan 44:51 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 44:52 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 44:54 Yeah. It's fucked up. You know what else is fucked up? You know, we've talked about this before, but there was a, um... When bortion- well, abortion was first made legal in this country, or readily available, there was a, a direct correlation 18 years later with a decrease in violent crime. You know, and Malcolm Gladwell's talked about this-

Bridget Phetasy 45:12 Oh, yeah. And so Freakonomics, I think, did, uh, something about this, too.

Joe Rogan 45:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 45:16 Those guys?

Joe Rogan 45:17 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 45:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 45:19 Where it's like, whoo. Like, should you force people to have a child?

Bridget Phetasy 45:22 Well-

Joe Rogan 45:23 And then, you know, what are you doing when you're doing that? Like, is that detrimental to society? Is it detrimental to those people's lives? You know, and then, and then, here's the big one for me. Like, what... When people say that you should never get an abortion, what about those instances where the woman's life is in danger?

Bridget Phetasy 45:37 Yeah. No, I hate that.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Which is... That is crazy.

Bridget Phetasy 45:40 Or, like, incest and rape.

Joe Rogan 45:41 Right, right, right.

Bridget Phetasy 45:42 Like, you're gonna force somebody to do th- this? That seems cruel, too, and this is what, this is what, um, Inessa and I were talking about, was, like, there's two... You know, you're balancing the liberty of the mother versus the life of this-

Joe Rogan 45:56 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 45:57 ... unborn child. It's not... It's messy.

Joe Rogan 45:59 It's messy.

Bridget Phetasy 46:00 It's really messy.

Joe Rogan 46:01 It is messy.

Bridget Phetasy 46:01 And it's definitely... She believes, like, kicking it down to the states is a victory for federalism. She's like, "This should always be..." You know, if there's a state where... 'Cause w- many women are pro-life. If there's a state where people are voting for this and, and that's what the people want in their state versus another state, then that should be the... That is the will of the people in that state, which she thinks is a win for democracy.

Joe Rogan 46:28 But it is a fascinating thing that we're doing here, this experiment in self-democracy. Well, where you... Or, or self, uh, government, where you do have options, where there's different states that do-

Bridget Phetasy 46:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:38 ... have different laws, th- that apply to almost everything. Um, that applies to drugs, that applies to, you know, so many different things you can do and not do. Like, for the longest time, Montana didn't have a speed limit.

Bridget Phetasy 46:50 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:51 They're like, "Who gives a fuck?"

Bridget Phetasy 46:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:52 It's just-

Bridget Phetasy 46:53 It's Montana.

Joe Rogan 46:53 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 46:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:54 But they had to. I think, federally, they had to change it at one point in time to get-

Bridget Phetasy 46:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:58 ... to get funding.

Bridget Phetasy 46:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:59 But I remember, uh, that a friend of mine used to register his cars in Montana. Like, there's-

Bridget Phetasy 47:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:05 'Cause it was like a thing, if you buy land in Montana, you could just, like, register cars out there, and, you know, they're basically... You could do wild shit out there.

Bridget Phetasy 47:12 You saw a lot of people move with their feet in the pandemic.

Joe Rogan 47:15 100%.

Bridget Phetasy 47:16 I mean, we-

Joe Rogan 47:16 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 47:17 ... like-

Joe Rogan 47:17 Me.

Bridget Phetasy 47:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:18 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:18 You had the option.

Joe Rogan 47:19 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 47:19 You were like-

Joe Rogan 47:20 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:20 ... "I don't like what's happening with the policies and mandates not even voted on here, and I'm going somewhere else."

Joe Rogan 47:27 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 47:28 And lots of people did that.

Joe Rogan 47:29 Well, I'm, I'm not a big believer that things always get better. I'm a, I'm a optimist, but I'm also a realist, and I'm a, I'm a... You know, I grew up kind of without a st- a lot of stability.

Bridget Phetasy 47:41 I, I-

Joe Rogan 47:42 So-

Bridget Phetasy 47:42 ... think we're very similar in this respect.

Joe Rogan 47:43 Yeah, so I, I see danger coming-

Bridget Phetasy 47:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 47:45 ... and I'm like, "I gotta get the fuck outta here."

Bridget Phetasy 47:48 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:48 "You guys-"

Bridget Phetasy 47:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:48 "... can stay if you want. I hear wolves."

Bridget Phetasy 47:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:51 And, (laughs) and some people are like, "Wolves are my friends."

Bridget Phetasy 47:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:55 (laughs) I'm like, I'm like, "Listen-"

Bridget Phetasy 47:56 "Excuse me, they identify as..." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:58 Yeah. I just... You know, I think it's great that we have these options, as opposed to a place like Australia-

Bridget Phetasy 48:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:05 ... where you were fucked.

Bridget Phetasy 48:06 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 48:06 Like, you, you had to obey the land, the law of the land, and now we're finding out that law of the land was based on bullshit.

Bridget Phetasy 48:13 Canada.

Joe Rogan 48:13 Yeah. Canada was the worst.

Bridget Phetasy 48:16 Still.

Joe Rogan 48:16 You know? And did you see that woman from Alberta that is, uh... She's a politician, and she's talking about, uh, the, the deal that they made with the World Economic Forum? She's like, "What the fuck are we doing with the World Econom- Why are we doing that? I wanna get outta that."

Bridget Phetasy 48:29 Yeah, all the, that stuff seems so crazy to me, a lot of it. I, but it's, it is such a, a blessing in this country that you're able to-

Joe Rogan 48:36 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 48:37 ... t- to see that. I, I think the... We were... I was just talking with a driver on the way over here about how, like, some things are so instinctually gr- ingrained in us, and during the pandemic and unrest, people were like, "I need land." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:52 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 48:53 "Land!"

Joe Rogan 48:54 Land. I need land-

Bridget Phetasy 48:55 And then-

Joe Rogan 48:55 ... and I need to grow my own food.

Bridget Phetasy 48:56 Yeah, and bread.

Joe Rogan 48:58 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 48:58 Everybody was making bread.

Joe Rogan 48:59 Yeah. Well-

Bridget Phetasy 49:00 This is some, like, ancient shit that gets triggered. You're like, "I need land and bread and food, b- and dig my well deeper so that I have water."

Joe Rogan 49:08 Yeah. Duncan sent me a photograph during the pandemic of the meat aisle at the supermarket that he goes to-

Bridget Phetasy 49:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:14 ... in, like, Silver Lake, and there was nothing in it.

Bridget Phetasy 49:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:17 There was nothing i- except, like, vegan meat.

Bridget Phetasy 49:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:20 There was stacks of vegan meat, but- (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 49:22 ... my husband was working at Trader Joe's-

Joe Rogan 49:24 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 49:24 ... through the whole pandemic almost.

Joe Rogan 49:26 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 49:26 And he would send me pictures and he was like, "This is a really good experiment in what we shouldn't be stocking at Trader Joe's anymore." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:33 (laughs) Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 49:34 Because it was just, like, the things that were left over, like chocolate hummus. I didn't even know they had it.

Joe Rogan 49:39 Yes.

Bridget Phetasy 49:39 I don't think they do anymore.

Joe Rogan 49:41 Well, you know, people, they, they buy that stuff because they think it's healthy and they're, they're being hoodwinked. That shit is... The, the seed oils is what's in that stuff. Seed oils are some of the worst fucking things your body can consume.

Bridget Phetasy 49:52 In what?

Joe Rogan 49:53 Seed oils in those vegan patties and vegan beef-

Bridget Phetasy 49:57 Oh.

Joe Rogan 49:58 ... and all... There's so many products that have seed oils in them, and this is another rabbit hole I've been going down lately-

Bridget Phetasy 50:02 Oh, Jesus.

Joe Rogan 50:02 ... about seed oils. Paul Saladino sent me something that, that, uh, there's, uh, some sort of a... Here, I'll send it to you, Jamey, so we can parse through this. There's some sort of a correlation between, uh, seed oils and macular degeneration. Look, it, it causes inflammation, and inflammation is fucking terrible for you, no matter what. And they're, they're not designed... They were initially made, and this is something, uh, that we, um... Max, uh, w- how do you say his last name? Lugavere?

Narrator 50:31 Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan 50:32 How do you say it?

Narrator 50:33 Y-

Bridget Phetasy 50:34 Like-

Joe Rogan 50:34 That's how I would say it.

Bridget Phetasy 50:34 ... even sunflower seed oil?

Joe Rogan 50:36 Sunflower seed's terrible for you.

Bridget Phetasy 50:37 But don't they use this, like, in other cultures all over the world?

Joe Rogan 50:41 Yes, it's terrible for you. All that stuff was initially invented as industrial oil to, like, lubricate machines.

Bridget Phetasy 50:48 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:49 Like, grapeseed oil, fucking terrible for you. All that stuff is terrible for you. Here, uh, dietary fatty acids and macular degeneration. Here, I'll send this to you, Jamey. Um, they, uh... Is your thing on, your AirDrop on? There it is. They're, they're not designed for human consumption. Like, for, for you to be able to get oil out of grape seeds, there's, there's this horrible process. Like, it was really, it was like, "Okay, we have these leftover seeds. What should we do with them?" And like, "Oh, well, we can take them through this crazy process and extract oil from them."

Bridget Phetasy 51:25 Uh-huh.

Joe Rogan 51:25 And, but the, the, you have to run through this ridiculous chemical process to take the smell out of them, and then... Yeah, here it is.

Bridget Phetasy 51:33 I know nothing about this.

Joe Rogan 51:34 It's not good. All that stuff's not good for you. Like, what's good for you is olive oil. Olive oil's great for you.

Bridget Phetasy 51:39 I use olive oil and avocado oil.

Joe Rogan 51:41 Great for you. Good stuff.

Bridget Phetasy 51:42 Love it.

Joe Rogan 51:42 "Dietary fatty acids and the 10-year incidence of age-related macular degeneration." So, uh, the object- objective was to assess the relationship between baseline dietary fatty acids and 10-year incident age-related macular degeneration. And, uh, after adjusting for age, sex, and smoking, one serving of fish per week was associated with reduced risk of incident early AMD, um, uh, primarily among patients with less than medium, median linoleic acid consumption, finding similar intake of long-chain, three polyunsaturated fatty acids. One to two servings of nuts per week was associated with a reduced risk of incident and AMD, uh, do-do-do... concerns, uh, projective associations between the intake of nuts and the reduced risk of pigmentary abnormalities we're seeing among non-smokers, participants with less than a median ratio of ser- serum total to high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and those with beta carotene intake greater than the median level. Concl-

Bridget Phetasy 52:44 So, nuts are good?

Joe Rogan 52:45 Yeah, nuts are good for you. I mean, there's-

Bridget Phetasy 52:48 I don't know.

Joe Rogan 52:48 ... there's, there's healthy fats in nuts, and, like, the things that l- you know, the things that people think of as healthy, like, a lot of times are not necessarily healthy, and one of those is seed oils.

Bridget Phetasy 53:00 Interesting.

Joe Rogan 53:00 The study provides evidence of protection against early AMD from regular eating fish, greater consumption of, um... I don't know what that word is, uh, three polyunsaturated fatty acids and low intake of foods rich in linoleic acid. Regular consumption of nuts may also reduce AMD risk. Joint effects from multiple factors suggested. Um, g- p- google the negative effects of seed oils. When you go down the rabbit hole-

Bridget Phetasy 53:27 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:27 First of all, they're all highly processed. In order to get oil out of a fucking grape seed, like, there's this massive process-

Bridget Phetasy 53:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:34 ... involved with that. These aren't natural foods.

Bridget Phetasy 53:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 53:36 Like olive oil, you press it, it's like a natural-

Bridget Phetasy 53:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:39 ... oil, and it's also, like, very good for your body. It's like a superfood.

Bridget Phetasy 53:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Same thing with avocado oil. Those-

Bridget Phetasy 53:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:46 There's certain fats that come from, from vegetables that are, like, really good for you, but those aren't the highly processed ones that were initially designed as industrial machine lubricants-

Bridget Phetasy 53:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:57 ... which is what's crazy. Uh, how industrial seed oils are making us sick.

Bridget Phetasy 54:02 Ah.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Click on that.

Bridget Phetasy 54:05 You s- you said you're having someone on to come talk about this?

Joe Rogan 54:08 I had someone on recently.

Bridget Phetasy 54:10 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 54:10 How, how do you say Max's last name?

Narrator 54:13 I, uh, the way you said it would be how I would say it.

Joe Rogan 54:14 Lugavere?

Narrator 54:15 Lugavere, Lugavere.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Lugavere?

Narrator 54:17 Sure.

Joe Rogan 54:17 I don't wanna fuck it up, but Max is brilliant, and we had him on and he essentially broke it down.

Bridget Phetasy 54:21 But-

Joe Rogan 54:22 And he, he's a big proponent of olive oil, um, uh, especially, like, uh, you know, like extra virgin olive oil. Experts have presented several dietary culprits as possible explanations for rapidly l- rising rates of chronic disease in industrialized nations, including sugar and saturated fat. However, one commonly consumed food found in the diets of millions has received surprisingly little attention, industrial seed oils.

Bridget Phetasy 54:48 Wow, they're in everything.

Joe Rogan 54:49 In fucking everything.

Bridget Phetasy 54:51 Everything. I-

Joe Rogan 54:52 Contrary to what we've been told, industrial seed oils such as soybean, canola, and corn oils are not heart healthy or otherwise beneficial for our bodies and brains. In fact, plenty of research indicates these oils are making us sick. Uh, da-da-da-da. What are industrial seed oils? Unlike traditional fats such as olive oil, coconut oil, butter, ghee, and lard, industrial seed oils are a very recent addition to the human diet. In fact, industrial seed oils, the highly processed oils extracted from soybeans, corn, rapeseed, the source of canola oil, cotton seed, and safflower seeds were only introduced into the American diet in the early 1900s.

Bridget Phetasy 55:28 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:28 How then did these oils come to occupy such an influential position, not only in the standard American diet, but in Westernized diets around the world?

Bridget Phetasy 55:38 I don't eat... I don't... I eat so clean. I'm, I'm-

Joe Rogan 55:41 Good for you.

Bridget Phetasy 55:42 I don't-

Joe Rogan 55:42 That's probably why your, uh, placenta was so big.

Bridget Phetasy 55:44 (laughs) I don't know, I just-

Joe Rogan 55:45 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 55:46 ... I, I didn't necessarily when I was pregnant, I gave into a lot of, like, I just like any combination of cheese and bread, I am ... Grilled cheese, mac and cheese, pasta, pizza. (laughs) I just l- love it. But then when she was born, she had, um, colic, and they, there's not really a lot of evidence, but they, there's a lot of kind of-

Joe Rogan 56:08 Put that back.

Narrator 56:08 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 56:09 ... there's like an old wives' tale that if you, um, what you eat can affect their colic, 'cause colic is a nightmare.

Joe Rogan 56:16 Mm-hmm.

Bridget Phetasy 56:17 And so I just cut out everything except for, like, proteins and veggies essentially, and yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:24 Well, I think that's just better overall for your body.

Bridget Phetasy 56:26 Well, yeah, I mean-

Joe Rogan 56:27 Here is, vegetable oils and trans fats, which include soybean, canola, and cottonseed oils, as well as hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils undergo extensive heat and chemical processing. By the end of that process, they are oxidized, damaged, and cause inflammation to all the tissues in our bodies, including our eyes. And this is about, uh, cases of, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 56:47 Blindness?

Joe Rogan 56:47 ... causes of macular degeneration.

Bridget Phetasy 56:48 All right, okay.

Joe Rogan 56:49 To add insult to injury, these types of fats also make their way into most manmade and high-sugar foods such as cakes, pastries, fried foods, salad dressings, dips, margarines, and coffee creamers, cooking oils and more.

Bridget Phetasy 57:00 Wow.

Joe Rogan 57:01 That makes these food a double whammy of inflammation for our eyes.

Bridget Phetasy 57:04 The exclamation point.

Joe Rogan 57:05 I, um, you know, I, I eat s- I like salad. I like to eat salads. And even when I was like eating carnivore, that was the thing that I missed. I miss a nice salad, like with a lot of leafy greens and-

Bridget Phetasy 57:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:16 ... cucumbers and-

Bridget Phetasy 57:17 I love salads.

Joe Rogan 57:17 I love salads. It's, I l- I like it.

Bridget Phetasy 57:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:20 If it's not, I mean, this, this argument that it's, that salads are bad for you, I tend to lean towards the idea that there's a hormetic effect, and that whatever, you know, w- whatever your body is like ... That's what, uh, Dr. Rhonda Patrick says, that there's like, it, it provides like a stressor to your body that provides a hormetic effect that's actually beneficial.

Bridget Phetasy 57:40 What's the argument that they're bad for you? I've never heard that.

Joe Rogan 57:42 There's, there's arguments that the real hardcore carnivore people say, and I think much of that probably has to do with some people have, uh, a high sensitivity to, um, these-

Bridget Phetasy 57:54 Like-

Joe Rogan 57:54 ... plant defense chemicals that some plants do produce.

Bridget Phetasy 57:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Like we know that plants produce chemicals that, um, that, that they, what they do, they're trying to avoid predation.

Bridget Phetasy 58:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 58:06 Right? So like certain plants, like if you play a recording of caterpillars eating leaves next to plants, they will change their chemical profile.

Bridget Phetasy 58:16 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:17 And it makes it less delicious.

Bridget Phetasy 58:19 Oh.

Joe Rogan 58:19 So it makes, they, they will literally release chemicals that make their, their leaves taste like shit.

Bridget Phetasy 58:25 Okay.

Joe Rogan 58:25 To the point where they've done these studies where they found that giraffes that are eating certain trees, I think it's the acacia tree, and they're eating it upwind, and so d- as it, as this smell and the sound goes downwind, there's some sort of communication that we don't totally understand amongst plants, but the, the trees downwind become inedible.

Bridget Phetasy 58:48 Everything is a miracle.

Joe Rogan 58:49 It's fucking wild-

Bridget Phetasy 58:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:50 ... but it's like that's nature preventing the-

Bridget Phetasy 58:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:53 Look, the, the way that Paul Saladino describes it, and, you know, I don't totally buy into all that he's saying, but I think a lot of what he's saying makes sense, is that animals, which are almost all edible, their defense is they run away.

Bridget Phetasy 59:05 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:06 Plants, they can't run away.

Bridget Phetasy 59:07 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:08 So what they do is they release these plants, plant defense chemicals.

Bridget Phetasy 59:11 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Some people are highly sensitive to these.

Bridget Phetasy 59:14 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:14 And when you-

Bridget Phetasy 59:15 Not me.

Joe Rogan 59:15 ... take those into your body, some people, when they eat certain plants, they, they have reactions. But I think that's m-

Bridget Phetasy 59:23 Like what kind of reaction?

Joe Rogan 59:24 Their body, you know, they have like an autoimmune rea- reaction.

Bridget Phetasy 59:27 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 59:28 Like some people that are on like high vegetable, high oxalate diets, high, you know, like-

Bridget Phetasy 59:33 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:33 ... leafy greens and stuff like that, some people have reactions to them.

Bridget Phetasy 59:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 59:37 I think that that's probably less common than, than the, like the hardcore carnivore people believe.

Bridget Phetasy 59:46 How long do you do the carnivore diet?

Joe Rogan 59:48 Um, I generally only do it for a month in January.

Bridget Phetasy 59:52 And-

Joe Rogan 59:52 Ju- January is World Carnivore Month.

Bridget Phetasy 59:54 Okay.

Joe Rogan 59:54 So just for a goof a couple times I've g- eaten nothing but meat.

Bridget Phetasy 59:57 Uh.

Joe Rogan 59:57 Like one-

Bridget Phetasy 59:58 Do you get the meat sweats? Is that a real thing?

Joe Rogan 1:00:00 No, I get the meat explosive diarrheas though.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Dude, I had diarrhea that you could write home about. Like, you write books about the diarrhea I had.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:08 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:09 Like, it wasn't just diarrhea, it was like oil was coming out, like crude, like black gold, Texas g- Texas Creed.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:16 I don't feel like that c- I, I mean, I understand that there's lots of benefits to it and people swear by it, but it seems like I don't know. I, I'm not ... I, I feel like it takes me a long time to digest like a piece of steak.

Joe Rogan 1:00:31 I don't know. It, for me, it didn't, that didn't bother me. Um, I lost a lot of weight, but I, uh, but I didn't lose weight-

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:38 (laughs) It's all the diarrhea.

Joe Rogan 1:00:38 ... because I was dehydrated. The diarrhea only lasted a couple weeks.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:42 But I mean, for a couple weeks it was touch and go.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 Like, it was like I would have a feeling in my stomach like, "Oh, Jesus, I could get to a, a toilet quick."

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:50 (laughs) How did you podcast? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:52 Uh, I have, uh, strong butt muscles.

Bridget Phetasy 1:00:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 And I just kept it tight. I don't know. I, I, I did it. But, but here's the thing. It's like when you cut out all the carbs and you cut out, uh, particularly like bread and pasta, which is really for me the culprit-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:09 ... um, I avoided all the crash and I never felt sleepy. Like my energy level was completely sustained all throughout the day.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:16 Then when I did it after that, I added in fruit.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 And when I added in fruit, I avoided all of the diarrhea, all of the craziness.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:24 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 So I guess the fiber from the fruit and-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 ... it's just all I was eating was like ribeyes and elk meat.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:30 Jesus. The sounds ... Elk meat sounds good.

Joe Rogan 1:01:32 It's great.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:33 ... ribeyes? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 1:01:34 But I needed fat. Like, you can't just eat elk meat. Uh, you can, I'm sure. But, the, the, there's, you need fat.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 And elk is very lean.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:43 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 Elk is, you know, you're basically eating a super athlete.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:46 You're eating a super athlete that's running away from mountain lions.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:48 Like, they, they're fucking jacked. And so, when you-

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:51 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:51 ... when you butcher an elk, like when you're in the field and you butcher an elk, you see very little fat.

Bridget Phetasy 1:01:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:56 Very, very little. Mostly what you're seeing is muscle tissue and, I mean, and it's d-... it's a dense, rich, dark red muscle tissue of... And it's so rich in protein and vitamins-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 ... and it's so fucking healthy for you. But you need fat. So I would use, um, I would use, um, tallow, beef tallow, that was grass-fed beef tallow. It was a... I would cook it in that, so I'd get some fats from that.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:20 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 But I've found that I, like, I started eating a lot of bacon with it, and that helped too.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 So when I'm eating, um-

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:26 This sounds really bad for your heart. I don't know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:29 So, that's, that's a m-... that's a myth too.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:30 Is that a myth?

Joe Rogan 1:02:31 Yeah, that's a myth. That's definitely a myth. I mean, I think for some people, genetically, they're, uh, predisposed to certain heart conditions and certain cholesterol issues.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:39 It doesn't, like, build up-

Joe Rogan 1:02:41 No, no, no, no, no, no.

Bridget Phetasy 1:02:42 ... in your ...

Joe Rogan 1:02:43 No. See, this is that thing. It's like you have this, like, sort of like, "What is it? Is that bad for ... ?" M- m-... All the studies that point to meat being bad for your heart are what's called epidemiology studies, and those studies where, uh, where they make people fill out, like, a questionnaire, like, "How many times a week do you eat meat?"

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:01 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 Like, "Five days a week." And this, and they, they looked at those people and they said, "Oh, there's higher incidences of heart disease in those people." But what they don't cover is how many of those fucking people are eating cheeseburgers?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:13 And how many of those people have industrial seed oils in the cheeseburger and the bun and the fries, which are cooked in industrial seed oils?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:21 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 And how many of them are eating Coca-Cola-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:23 Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:23 ... drinking Coca-Cola all day long-

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:25 Cartons of ice cream.

Joe Rogan 1:03:25 ... which is filled with fucking seed oils.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:29 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:29 And, and corn s-... corn syrup. Like, all that shit is what's really bad for you. Well, the... You know about the studies that were done in, I think it was the 1950s or 1960s, where the sugar industry paid scientists to lie about the source of heart disease and connect it to u-... to saturated fats?

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 And it was r-... It was really just bribery.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:52 They... And they didn't pay 'em much. They paid 'em, like, $50,000.

Bridget Phetasy 1:03:55 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 And, and paying them that $50,000... See if you can find that, because the New York Times wrote about this. So, people have this idea that, that meat is bad for you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:04 Well, I remem-

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 But meat is what people have been eating since the fucking beginning of time.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:09 Right. I, I remember reading that, like, the whole idea that fat was bad for you is because of the sugar-

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:15 ... lobbies, and then they just replaced all of the fat with sugar. And then now, we have an obesity epidemic, essentially.

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 100%.

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:23 Um, and I do think there's... part of the problem with, like... We have a prob-... I mean, even flying lately, I'm like, "Oh, my God. Every single flight I've been on, they need, like, seven wheelchairs." You know, it's, it just seems more than ever before, people are, are struggling with obesity, and I think it's obviously been proven. And I think a lot of it too is just, like, confusion about what they should eat.

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah. Well-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:51 I feel like there's so much confusion around food.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 It's not really confusion. There is confusion, but it's also, like, that stuff's delicious, and it's-

Bridget Phetasy 1:04:59 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 It tricks your body into eating Cheetos.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:01 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:01 Go back to the top, please. So this is, uh, "50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists to point the blame at fat."

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:07 Did anybody get punished for this?

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 I think they're all dead.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Luckily.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:13 But this is also part of the problem. We have the, the, the ability for this crap to happen.

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Yeah, well, it happens less and less now because of the internet, because this stuff can get out, but yeah. "The next year, after several scientific articles were published suggesting a link between sucrose and coronary heart disease, the SRF approved a literature review project that it wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research."

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:37 (laughs) One of the researchers was chairman of Harvard's Public Health Nutrition Department, an ad hoc member of SRF's board. So, they, they literally paid these scientists to conduct this bullshit study, because there was all sorts of articles, scientific articles, suggesting a link between sugar and coronary heart disease.

Bridget Phetasy 1:05:55 Oh, my gosh.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 They recommended that the industry fund its own studies, which is... Then we can publish data and refute our detractors.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:03 Someone got-

Joe Rogan 1:06:03 Oh.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:04 ... paid $50,000 to destroy America. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 Literally kill people.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 Literally kill people. I me-... I mean, how many people took margarine because they thought that margarine was good for you?

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:14 Uh, there's so... That's what I mean, though, about the confusion.

Joe Rogan 1:06:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:16 I think that people are eating... I don't know what's in these Impossible Burgers and all this, like, Beyond Meat stuff. It's creepy to me 'cause I don't-

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 It causes liver damage in rats.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:26 What is in it?

Joe Rogan 1:06:27 Oh, well, we'll, we'll show you. We'll show you what's in it. But remember I Can't Believe It's Not Butter?

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:31 Well, I can fucking believe it.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Tastes like shit. Doesn't taste like butter. What the fuck is wrong with you? Have you had butter?

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:38 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Butter's delicious.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:40 I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 I, I can believe it.

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:41 ... someone who's never tried butter. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 What? Do you smoke all day and have no taste buds? The fuck is wrong with you?

Bridget Phetasy 1:06:47 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:47 Find, like... Find out that, um, the Impossible Burger thing where they were, uh... they found that there was a correlation between, uh, rat, rat liver damage. Fucking rats. Rats eat rats. They eat everything. They eat garbage. They're fine.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 They ate an Impossible Burger, they're, they're going to the fucking-

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:04 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 ... hospital ward.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:06 That's not good.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 No. Here it is. Uh, "Rat-feeding studies suggest the Impossible Burger may not be safe to eat."

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:12 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 Yeah, 'cause it's not. Look, first of all-

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:16 But what is in it?

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 If you w-... Okay. We'll, we'll tell you what's in it. Um, here it goes. Uh, "Impossible Burger is a plant-based burger. The key ingredient, which p-... a protein called soy leghemoglobin, SLH for short, derived from genetically modified yeast. It's already being sold in restaurants and supermarkets in the US, and in 2019, the manufacturing company, Impossible Foods, applied for permission to market the burger in the U-... EU and the UK." So, it's, that's all-

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:45 Did the EU let it in?

Joe Rogan 1:07:46 I don't know.

Bridget Phetasy 1:07:47 They're usually pretty strict about this stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:07:49 But this is all genetically modified bullshit. The results of the rat feeding study commissioned by Impossible Foods and carried out with SLH suggest that the burger may not be safe to eat. SLH is a substitute that gives the burger its meaty taste and makes it appear to bleed like meat when cut. The US Food Department and Drug Administration initially refused to sign off the safety of SLH when first approached by the company. The rat feeding study results suggest that the agency's concerns were justified. Rats fed the GM yeast-derived SLH developed unexplained changes in weight gain, changes in the blood that can indicate-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:27 Jesus.

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 ... the onset of inflammation or kidney disease, and possible signs of anemia.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:32 What the...

Joe Rogan 1:08:33 Yeah. You s- listen, if you don't like meat and you don't want to eat meat-

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:37 Don't eat meat.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 ... there's plenty of plant-based protein sources.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:40 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Like pea protein is very good for you. Hemp protein is very good for you. You don't have to eat fake meat.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:46 Yeah, there's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:47 If you miss meat, have a burger.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Have a burger. Have a burger from a cow that was a cunt. It's like c- just, like only cunty cows.

Bridget Phetasy 1:08:54 Cows-

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 Cows that, like, kick farmers and fucking stomp on their babies. There- surely there must be c- cows that deserve being eaten.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:01 There's some... That's a, uh, like eating bugs and the impossible meat and all of this stuff, it just feels very strange to me.

Joe Rogan 1:09:08 Orwellian.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:09 The, the push for it. It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 Well-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:11 ... this unified push for it that feels-

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 The bug doesn't bother me. A lot of-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:16 Well, bugs are good protein.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 Maybe because I... Yeah, maybe because I hosted Fear Factor, but...

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:19 I've eaten bugs.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 I've eaten bugs. I've eaten a lot of bugs.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:22 I'm sure.

Joe Rogan 1:09:23 But, uh, but cricket protein is actually good for you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:26 And, and it's a, it's a easy source of protein.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:28 You know what's fucked up about that? I've eaten cricket protein, but if I find a cricket in my house, I always save it.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:33 Oh, okay.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 There's certain bugs-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:35 ... that if you're in my house-

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:36 I save crickets.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 ... you're dead. There's certain bugs, where you don't live if you're a roach. If you're a roach, I'm gonna fuck you up.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:42 Do they have a lot of protein?

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 I don't know. I've eaten them. I, I ate a roach.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:46 I went to this thing in New Zealand and we... It was like this... I f- I forget even what it was called, it's this... And it's th- one of those things where you eat all ki-... I ate a grub. Like, they took it out of the wood-

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 Yeah, they're not good.

Bridget Phetasy 1:09:57 ... and I ate it and-

Joe Rogan 1:09:59 Kind of flavorless, right?

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:00 Yeah, but it's just the moving around in your mouth that's... And they had all kinds of, like, weird things to eat and it was just a, like, Ki-... a New Zealand thing. And one of the things was, um, horse semen. And I drank horse semen.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:13 (laughs) They were giving shots of it, like-

Joe Rogan 1:10:16 Wow.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:16 ... little shots of it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 I don't think that's bugs. I think they lied to you.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 I don't think that has anything to do with bugs, Bridget. (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:22 I know. I was, I was still drinking back then and I was pretty drunk. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 (laughs) I went to w- a resort in Mexico and, uh, they had, like, these little, uh, what was it? Crick- crickets or grasshoppers? I th- I f- I forget now. I think it was crickets. But they had, like, stir-fried crickets in like a, a salty sort of, uh, baste, like a teriyaki type of thing, and they were delicious.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 And they were in a bowl and my, w- you know, my kids were really young at the time. They're like, "Ew." I'm like, "They're not bad."

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:52 And I was eating them. I ate them all.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:54 They were-

Joe Rogan 1:10:54 They were pretty good.

Bridget Phetasy 1:10:55 And, um, when I was in Japan, in Kyoto, we went to this, like, fancy dinner and they had these little... They were like minnows that were kind of... They were like french fries.

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 Mm.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:05 They were delicious. But they were full little minnows with little eyes.

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 Well, well minnows are good. Th- well, that's a smelt. Have you ever had smelt? In the East Coast, uh-

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:14 I think so, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:14 ... when I lived in Boston, my friends would go smelting.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 And smelt are these tiny little fish.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:11:19 And you just, you eat them whole and they... I don't f-... I forget how they catch them but you can't catch them with a hook. They're just too small.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:24 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:11:25 But they would get like tons of them and cook them and, and they were delicious and they're these little tiny things. You just eat them whole.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:32 But crickets and bugs, like, we have a thing in our head about bugs. But that's what a fucking lobster is. That's a bug.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:40 And they're goddamn delicious.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:42 They're delicious.

Joe Rogan 1:11:42 They're so good. Right? But that... They're essentially bugs. The, like, like divers, they call them bugs.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:49 They... Like, we're diving for bugs.

Bridget Phetasy 1:11:52 Yeah. It's, it's not the b-... It's not really the bug thing that f- f- weirds me out. It's the, like, unified push for everyone to eat bugs-

Joe Rogan 1:12:03 Right.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:03 ... that weirds me out.

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 Yeah. Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:05 I'm like, "You're not gonna make me eat fricking bugs and live in a pod." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:09 I know what you're saying. Yeah. It's that, you know, you will have nothing and you'll be happy.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:13 It's like the W... yeah. Yeah. The, like, great reset or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:12:16 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:16 (laughs) I'm like, "Why do I feel like I'm gonna be on the shit end of this reset?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:20 Well, you 100% will. They'll be on a yacht eating caviar and foie gras and you'll be eating bugs in a hovel somewhere.

Bridget Phetasy 1:12:26 (laughs) Yes. Some little fricking pod.

Joe Rogan 1:12:28 Cockroach milk is protein rich, crystallized substance produced by a specific type of cockroach called diplopo- diploptera puncta? Punctata? Hmm. This species is unique because it gives birth to live offspring. Members make milk in the form of protein crystals to serve as food for the developing young. Yeah. I'm not opposed to eating bugs because there's a thing, uh, amongst like, uh, hunters and conservationists where they, uh, harvest cicadas.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:00 And when they have, like, those big cicada hatches-

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:13:02 ... people harvest them and they bake them and, uh, like... My friend Ryan Callahan w-... posted on... He has a, a podcast. Um, what is this podcast called? Cal's... Let me fucking find this podcast. But, uh, he, um... Cal's Week In Review and it's a great podcast. It's all about, like, different things that have to do with nature and conservation and stuff like that. But cicadas are delicious. They have more than 100 grams per pound according to Inverse.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:31 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:13:31 Of course, you might find it more palatable to eat a big steak but eating it... But, but they know how to cook them and when they cook them they act... Like Ryan said, they're really good.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:40 Everybody-

Joe Rogan 1:13:40 Like, you just have to know how to prepare them and, and harvest them.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:44 But isn't there a bug apocalypse? Or is... Have you read about this?

Joe Rogan 1:13:48 What? What?

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:48 This is a rabbit hole I've been going down. The bug apocalypse.

Joe Rogan 1:13:51 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:51 Google the bug apocalypse, please, Jamie.

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 (laughs)

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 (laughs) Oh, man, there's so many apocalypses.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:57 There's so many apocalypses.

Joe Rogan 1:13:59 Ugh.

Bridget Phetasy 1:13:59 I mean, that's...

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Insect apocalypse, a growing body of scientific evidence shows that bugs worldwide are decreasing in abundance and diversity, prompting warnings-

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:06 No, this is a rabbit hole.

Joe Rogan 1:14:09 Wow. Scientists estimate that 40% of known species are declining and hypothesize that losses could trigger large-scale ecological collapse.

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:17 This is a huge problem, but this is why I'm like, "Why are we pushing bugs?" I thought there was a bug apocalypse. It's just not getting as much attention as the other apocal- apocalypsi.

Joe Rogan 1:14:26 Yeah.

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:26 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:26 Well, when they're pushing bugs, they're- they're pushing harvesting bugs and, um, and, you know, raising them for- for consumption.

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:34 But they could do that pretty easily.

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:35 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:36 That's the reason why they want to do that is 'cause, like, resource-wise, it's- it's a fairly, um... It's- it's an easier thing to pro-... Like, you don't need as much land to make-

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:47 I know. I know. I've- I've interviewed a lot of the bug people.

Joe Rogan 1:14:50 Have you?

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:50 Yeah, I- I...

Joe Rogan 1:14:51 Who've you interviewed that's interesting?

Bridget Phetasy 1:14:52 There's this one... Oh, I have to remember her name. I did this- I did this thing where I interviewed, like, I swear it was, like, 20 people every five... Every five minutes, I interviewed a different person, and one of the women was someone who's building the technology to have these bug pods in your house, so you can eat the bugs. And, uh, I have to... I- I