Joe Rogan Experience #1890 - Bridget Phetasy

1. 0:00 – 2:22

   Bridget returns as a new mom: breastfeeding, pumping tech, and the ‘you can’t know’ lesson

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      It's live. Hello, Bridget.

   5. BPBridget Phetasy0:13

      I'm back.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      What's happening?

   7. BPBridget Phetasy0:15

      I had a baby. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      You had a fucking human.

   9. BPBridget Phetasy0:17

      I know. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:17

       You made a human in your body. That h-

   11. BPBridget Phetasy0:19

       It's so crazy.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       What does it feel like, like pre-h- making a human, just living a normal life, being a human, to actually... Like, what does that transition feel like? A man will never know.

   13. BPBridget Phetasy0:30

       I've-

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Contrary to Twitter.

   15. BPBridget Phetasy0:32

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       (laughs)

   17. BPBridget Phetasy0:34

       You can burn your 500 calories by breastfeeding, Joe.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       I bet you can.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy0:37

       Through December, October. That's what I learned. I mean-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Do you pump?

   21. BPBridget Phetasy0:41

       I do.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Do you pump or you p- yeah.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy0:42

       I'm breastfeeding. No, no, I'm still breastfeeding. That's why she's here in Austin with me. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Do, do you ever-

   25. BPBridget Phetasy0:47

       Left her at the hotel.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       ... pump too, though? Do you pump as well?

   27. BPBridget Phetasy0:48

       Yeah. Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       The pump is wild.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy0:50

       The pump is wild.

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       My wife used to sit in front of the TV-
2. 2:22 – 3:53

   Pregnancy anxiety, Instagram algorithms, and a hard no to TikTok

   1. BPBridget Phetasy2:22

      And I'm sure someday they'll be able to simulate it and have-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:25

      Nah.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy2:25

      ... like, ver- But it's so... I mean, the whole pregnancy was... I had a lot of anxiety. I think it was... I just was so worried about this little human, and I think as a woman, you carry that mostly yourself until the baby comes out, and then if you have a partner, you're sharing some of that, like, "Oh, I hope they don't die," with your partner. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:48

      Yeah.

   5. BPBridget Phetasy2:49

      And it was just like, I would get... I, I used to... I've been on this podcast and said I hate Instagram, like, I don't even know how many times. I became, like, Instagram addict in pregnancy because at, late at night, the, like, wholesome third trimester content, I was like, "This is, this is what I'm here for."

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      What do you mean?

   7. BPBridget Phetasy3:08

      "It's so relatable."

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:09

      What's, what's wholesome trimester?

   9. BPBridget Phetasy3:11

      Third trimester content, like, there's so much pregnancy content on Instagram because it's just an altar to all things basic, and it is... And when you're pregnant, you're like, "Yes, that's exactly how I feel. I can't-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:24

       So it, like, gets you.

   11. BPBridget Phetasy3:24

       "... I can't see my vagina." (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:26

       The algorithm-

   13. BPBridget Phetasy3:27

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:27

       ... finds you 'cause you look for it.

   15. BPBridget Phetasy3:29

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       Yeah.

   17. BPBridget Phetasy3:30

       And I fell in love with Instagram, and now I'm, I'm all, I'm all on board.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       Do you do TikTok?

   19. BPBridget Phetasy3:36

       No. I won't even put it on my phone.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       Good for you. Yeah.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy3:38

       It's Chinese spyware.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:39

       It's Chinese spyware.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy3:40

       Why are we letting people put this on their phones?

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       It, it should be banned. It's, it's sp- And no, and I'm not-

   25. BPBridget Phetasy3:47

       (laughs) I'm with Trump.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah. But I'm not, I'm n- I mean, I'm not, I'm saying this because I talk to security experts.

   27. BPBridget Phetasy3:52

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       It's fucking dangerous.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy3:53

       Yeah.

3. 3:53 – 5:28

   China, open societies, and the fear that social media is strategic sabotage

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:53

      Did you see the thing where... What is it called? ByteDance?

   2. BPBridget Phetasy3:56

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      The parent company was, uh, specifically looking to use TikTok to target the location of specific American citizens.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy4:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:05

      Including probably, like, Chinese dissidents that have-

   6. BPBridget Phetasy4:08

      Oh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:08

      ... or people that have left.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy4:10

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:10

      Yeah. Like, you know, I've talked to people that are security experts, and they explain the whole system of how it works.

   10. BPBridget Phetasy4:18

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:18

       Like, they have a super sophisticated system of infiltrating universities, and they bring... Like, 'cause we have an open society, right? So because of our open society, they, um, they send, you know, basically employees of the Chinese government to come over here to get educated.

   12. BPBridget Phetasy4:36

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       They get educated, and then they infiltrate universities, and they find out all of this research that's been going on in whatever category, in whatever thing, and then they send all that stuff back to China.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy4:49

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:50

       It's a bit... It's, it's, it's fucking wild. It's... We, we fuel their, their progress through innovation that takes place in America.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy4:59

       Well, not to mention that it's breaking the brains of all of our youth and turning them into-

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       I think TikTok is.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy5:05

       ... pudding.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Yeah.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy5:05

       TikTok.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Yeah.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy5:05

       And not to mention that you have kids who now want to become TikTok stars instead of, like, going into STEM. (laughs) You know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       Yeah.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy5:15

       They're like... China's like, "Great, let's, let's make all these young girls successful on TikTok and make it seem like a dream for all of the society" (laughs) "these kids can attain."

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:27

       Well, if that's true-

   26. BPBridget Phetasy5:27

       "I want to be a TikTok star."

4. 5:28 – 7:35

   OnlyFans economics and the ‘price’ of selling intimacy

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:28

      ... this is like OnlyFans designed by Russia.

   2. BPBridget Phetasy5:31

      I don't know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      Because, like, that is fucking up a lot of people.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy5:35

      I don't... I've never... It's funny being me who was, like, always p- posting nudies online before OnlyFans existed. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:45

      (laughs)

   6. BPBridget Phetasy5:45

      Just for fun, and for free, and now OnlyFans is a thing, and I haven't even, like... I've never even been on it. I don't even know... I don't even know what's on there.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:56

      I was having a conversation about this with a friend of mine the other day, and he was saying, like, that th- he has friends that have girlfriends and wives that are on OnlyFans, and because they're making extraordinary amounts of money-... like, it's really hard to not do it anymore.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy6:13

      Right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      It's like, if you're getting, you know, some pe- You know, we talked about this before, like, the average person's not making much.

   10. BPBridget Phetasy6:19

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       But some- some of these gals that develop these big Instagram pages where they have, like, a million Instagram followers, they're making tens of thousands of dollars every month-

   12. BPBridget Phetasy6:28

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       ... on- on OnlyFans. And so then they get in a relationship, and, you know, it's a serious relationship, but, you know, you're fingering yourself on-

   14. BPBridget Phetasy6:36

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       ... this fucking platform for strangers.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy6:39

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       It's like, where does that end? And- w- well, okay, if you have a child, do you back off then? "Well, honey, we need money." You know?

   18. BPBridget Phetasy6:46

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       I mean, it's no big deal, you know, my fans are cool. They realize that I'm taken and I'm a mom, and like... It's a- I am all for freedom, right? I'm all for you being able to do whatever you want to do. But everything comes with a price.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy7:00

       Of course.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       And that thing comes with a weird price because it's- you're selling intimacy. Like, the- the photo is a woman alone in a bedroom.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy7:10

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       Or a video is a woman alone in a bedroom with, like, ankle socks and- and a fucking, you know, a- a jersey on, with little baby underwear that she's pulling to the side. Like, what- what is that?

   24. BPBridget Phetasy7:23

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       Like, who's there? Like, who's taking this photo?

   26. BPBridget Phetasy7:26

       I mean...

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       Like, is this for- is this- you- are you pretending that this is for you? Like, this- it's a weird little relationship that you have for these people that pay to subscribe.

5. 7:35 – 12:22

   Bridget’s nude-posting origin story: from trolling to Patreon boundaries

   1. BPBridget Phetasy7:35

      I would be a full of shit hypocrite if I didn't address the fact that I've... Okay, so I started posting nudes (laughs) online for free.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:47

      Right.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy7:47

      And then people started demanding them. And I was just posting them because I thought it was funny, mostly 'cause it made comedians mad on Twitter that I was using nudity to get followers, and I just thought it was hilarious, 'cause I'm like- I was in- like a trickster, I'm like, "Whatever."

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:00

      But wait, who- who would get mad at that?

   5. BPBridget Phetasy8:02

      People were just getting mad that, like, not important people, just people were like, "Oh, this- this girl is, like..." I'm like, "Who cares?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:09

      Yeah.

   7. BPBridget Phetasy8:09

      But it was funny to me, and it was amusing. And then people started demanding them, and then Patreon came around, and then you can have different levels on Patreon, and one of my levels was not, like, vagina pictures, but pictures of my boobs and my butt. And I was like, "Who wants to pay for 40-year-old titties?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:28

      (laughs)

   9. BPBridget Phetasy8:30

      (laughs) Like, no one.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       Someone.

   11. BPBridget Phetasy8:32

       Who- You could get them for free.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:34

       Yeah, but people will pay.

   13. BPBridget Phetasy8:34

       But people paid.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Yeah.

   15. BPBridget Phetasy8:36

       And I thought it was f- it was- and like you said, it gave me insight into this relationship because I was- everybody's very respectful, first of all, and they were paying for my writing and all this other stuff, and it- it got weird, definitely-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:50

       (laughs)

   17. BPBridget Phetasy8:50

       ... where I was like, "What? I don't want to get addicted to the money doing this-"

   18. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       Right.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy8:55

       "... because I- I'm doing it for fun." Like, it was something-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:00

       Yeah.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy9:00

       ... that I started doing, I never wanted to feel like I had to do it, and I ended up, um, just- I just shifted away from doing it. I just, like, naturally evolved out of it, but I was making pretty good money.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:15

       (laughs) Yeah.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy9:15

       I still don't understand it, but it gave me a lot of insight and I'd just, like, I would be- I know that if I did not address this, people would be like, "That girl used to send pictures of her butt on the internet." (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:26

       Well, I'm glad you addressed it then. It's- it's just a strange little outlet. And look, I'm all for people capitalizing and using- you know, finding different ways to make money, that's not the issue that I have. I don't even have an issue with it. I'm all for you doing it. But I'm just saying, like, for a person that's in a relationship or a person that one day is going to be a mom or a per-

   25. BPBridget Phetasy9:46

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:46

       ... you know, like, that's the thing, like...

   27. BPBridget Phetasy9:47

       How am I gonna explain this?

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:49

       Right.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy9:49

       I mean, it's out there.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       Well, I think you explain it by being yourself. Like, you're a good person, you- you- you'll- you'll be honest with your kid. It's like, it's not the worst thing in the world.
6. 12:22 – 16:20

   Playboy journalism, ‘Free the Nipple,’ and changing your mind in the field

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:22

      There's nothing wrong with being nude. There's nothing wrong with posting pictures of nude. W- wha- h- you said, uh, that Playboy took... did they take some of your articles down?

   2. BPBridget Phetasy12:31

      Yes. And I had... I mean, I had written, you know, I... you posted one of my early pieces, actually, the, um, women date assholes because you're a pussy. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      (laughs)

   4. BPBridget Phetasy12:42

      Still one of my favorite things I've ever written. And it... that's still up there. The one about getting nude is up there, but then most... I did... like, some of the work I did for them, I was very proud of, and I turned into more of a journalist working for them. My first editor, Joe Donatelli, I used to be like, "I'm not a journalist. I'm an opinion writer," and he's like, "All good opinion writers are journalists." And I was... I... like, I went to a free the nipple thing. This was kind of when things started evolving, and I was, like, all about freeing the nipple, so I thought. And I went... I was supposed to go cover this rally, and I get there, and this very young girl is, like, barely legal, like, maybe turned 18 the day before the rally. (laughs) And she's kind of running this free the nipple thing with a lot of her young friends a- on the beach in Santa Monica. And suddenly, I went in being like, "Yeah, I'm gonna be all for this," and then there was this pervert on the beach, and he was there with, like, a digital camera, which was my first red flag. And... because this was... you know, it was just creepy. And he was taking pictures of them, and all of a sudden I was like, "Put your clothes on, ladies!" (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:55

      (laughs)

   6. BPBridget Phetasy13:55

      Like, "There are perverts everywhere!" (laughs) Like, "There's a pedophile over there."

   7. JRJoe Rogan14:02

      So d- it's- d-

   8. BPBridget Phetasy14:03

      And it changed by... suddenly I was like, "I'm not sure how I feel about this."

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:07

      Do you think it's just, like, girls that just want attention, but they don't know what that means?

   10. BPBridget Phetasy14:12

       These girls didn't... this girl, at least the one who was in charge, was so... she was so interesting and just like a r- she was like a radical feminist, just a young radical feminist who was like, "Men can have their nipples out, why can't women?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:25

       Right.

   12. BPBridget Phetasy14:26

       And they can be free on the beach, why can't we? And so she was just, I think, pushing for m- more equality, in her mind, and, and I, I understood that. You know, I, I don't think it was for her, like, about getting... she didn't strike me as that kind of person-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:44

       Mm-hmm.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy14:44

       ... at least when I met her. And it was, it was just, um... it was a very strange scene, and then I suddenl- and I left it, and I went back to my editor and I was like, "I have no idea (laughs) how I feel about this anymore," and he's like, "Good. That means you're a journalist." That's what journalists should do, go in with maybe a s- some feeling of how they think and gather information that might change their mind.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:07

       That is really journalism. And that is actually an important opinion piece, because you went in with this one idea, and then seeing the reality of the situation made you alter your perceptions.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy15:17

       Yeah. I mean, even having, even having... now being... breastfeeding, and being a mom, and, and being somebody who's just been... like, my body was a vanity project. I was like, "Oh, this has utility." (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:33

       (laughs) Utility. That's-

   18. BPBridget Phetasy15:35

       Like, these things-

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy15:37

       ... they have a purpose. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:38

       It is kind of wild that that's the reason why we're attracted to them.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy15:41

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       That we're attracted to them because of the fact that they have utility, and the, uh... women that have more, uh, you know, traditionally sexually attractive bodies are more... they're more likely to breed.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy15:55

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       They're more... they're, they're more... you know. What's the word I'm looking for?

   26. BPBridget Phetasy16:01

       (laughs) Fuckable? No, I'm j- (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       I mean, you know what I'm saying, though? Like, viable?

   28. BPBridget Phetasy16:04

       Viable?

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       Yeah.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy16:05

       I don't know.
7. 16:20 – 23:55

   Childbirth realism: C-sections, home-birth debates, and ‘natural’ romanticism

   1. BPBridget Phetasy16:20

      I don't have breeding hips. My, my, my child came out as, as writer and thinker and hilarious... Mary Harrington calls it, um, she came out of the sunroof. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:34

      (laughs) That's a- imagine being, uh, a person without breeding hips that was born 100 years ago.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy16:38

      Uh, you would've died. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:40

      Yeah.

   5. BPBridget Phetasy16:42

      Yeah, that's, that's another thing. Childbirth is still very dangerous. I was not one of those, like, "I'm gonna have a pool and go have my baby in the moonlight-"

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:51

      Mm-hmm.

   7. BPBridget Phetasy16:51

      "... all by myself with a doula," and like, that... I, I admire women who do that because they are... they have some ability to just block out fear or something. (laughs) To just, like... I don't, I don't know. There are women who are just so good at the n- the home births and-

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:09

      Home birth is weird because if something goes sideways-

   9. BPBridget Phetasy17:13

      Woo! (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       Yeah.

   11. BPBridget Phetasy17:13

       I mean, it's terrifying to me.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah, you want to be-

   13. BPBridget Phetasy17:16

       Terrifying.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       ... around people that have a lot of kids come out of vaginas on a weekly basis-

   15. BPBridget Phetasy17:21

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       ... and they're really good at it.

   17. BPBridget Phetasy17:23

       And I know so many women who have had home bir- home births and they were completely fine and they had their, their baby and... but I just... I was in, um... I was... I think I was really affected when I was in Dublin. I was in this... it was, like, a big grave cemetery and there were all these... like, it was like a dead kid area, basically, babies that died in birt- in childbirth from-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:47

       Oh, wow.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy17:47

       And there were just thousands of them. There's a whole portion of the cemetery devoted to this. And a lot of the pe- moms, too, died, and a lot of the names were Bridget, and my friend was like, "Is this making you uncomfortable?" (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:00

       (laughs)

   21. BPBridget Phetasy18:00

       I'm like, "No, I'm just another dead Bridget." It's, like, weirdly... just, like, another soon-to-be-dead Bridget. It's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       Well, it's that part of the world, that name's pretty popular.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy18:08

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:08

       Yeah.

   25. BPBridget Phetasy18:08

       But it was... it really struck me how far we've come-

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:12

       Yeah.

   27. BPBridget Phetasy18:12

       ... in terms of making childbirth safe. And I think... it's like a lot of things. The reason you think you don't need a measles vaccine is because we don't have the measles anymore and kids aren't dying of the measles, and the reason home births are probably rising in popularity is...... because people don't die in childbirth as often as they did.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:34

       Well, it's the same reason why people like, like reclaimed wood paneling on the walls.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy18:38

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:39

       They wanna, they wanna like go back to the oldie days in their head, you know?
8. 23:55 – 25:07

   Having a baby at 43: fertility limits, risks, and misconceptions for men and women

   1. BPBridget Phetasy23:55

      I don't know, I, maybe. I mean, f- I'm 40, I had a baby at 43 years old.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:00

      (whistles)

   3. BPBridget Phetasy24:00

      And I wanna be clear-

   4. JRJoe Rogan24:01

      That's a buzzer. Eh! (laughs)

   5. BPBridget Phetasy24:02

      Yeah. (laughs) I'm convinced it was, like, the last egg.

   6. JRJoe Rogan24:06

      (laughs)

   7. BPBridget Phetasy24:06

      Um, I wanna be very clear that it was a miracle, 'cause I think people will hear my story, and they'll be like, "Oh, I can wait." No, don't wait. Don't wait. Even if you get your eggs frozen, even if, it's still so much harder the older you get, not to mention, if you look at the numbers for chromosomal abnormalities, it all goes exponentially up the older you get.

   8. JRJoe Rogan24:30

      And me- men need to know that it goes up for their sperm as well.

   9. BPBridget Phetasy24:33

      Mm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       It's not simply the woman's age. I got a conversation with a friend of mine, he was 49, and he was thinking about having a kid, he's like, "Oh, you know, it's really more important that the girl's younger." I go, "No, it's not."

   11. BPBridget Phetasy24:42

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:42

       "You need to read."

   13. BPBridget Phetasy24:44

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:44

       Like, like, (laughs) like, like, like there's issues when men are older and they start having children.

   15. BPBridget Phetasy24:49

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:50

       And as you get into your 50s and 60s, and, and there's guys out there-... baby's in their fucking 70s.

   17. BPBridget Phetasy24:54

       I know.

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:55

       Look at Mick Jagger.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy24:56

       I know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:56

       He shot a live one in there a couple of years ago.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy24:58

       I know. But he's Mick Jagger, he seems like he's pretty youthful. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:02

       Do you know he's the same age as Biden?

   23. BPBridget Phetasy25:04

       (laughs) He's out there dancing and doing splits.

9. 25:07 – 30:54

   Live music as transcendence: Stones crowds, Roger Waters’ production obsession, Tool visuals

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:07

      Yeah. We saw him at COTA, at the Circuit of the Americas here.

   2. BPBridget Phetasy25:10

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:10

      The, the Stones were there. It was-

   4. BPBridget Phetasy25:12

      It's crazy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:12

      ... it was like a psychedelic experience. Like, I was, like, it was, I was, like I was on drugs. I was sitting there watching, "I can't believe they're there. That's really Mick Jagger, that's really Keith Richards."

   6. BPBridget Phetasy25:21

      They did sell their souls to the devil. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:24

      Well, they're old as fuck. I mean, they look 79.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy25:28

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan25:28

      But, I mean, it's just, knowing the history of the Rolling Stones-

   10. BPBridget Phetasy25:32

       So crazy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       ... and what they've gone through, and to see them out there still touring. He works out every day. He has two trailers that are just his, his workout equipment.

   12. BPBridget Phetasy25:41

       Have you ever seen the Rolling Stone art exhibit that was going around, I think, maybe, like, I don't know, I feel like it was 2016? It was in London, then it came to the States. It's amazing. It takes you through their whole history, and those guys were selling out stadiums in the '70s.

   13. JRJoe Rogan25:58

       Yeah.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy25:59

       In the s- I mean, I think-

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:01

       Yeah, 50 fucking years ago.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy26:02

       ... who is it that has... Mulaney, I think, has that great bit about Mick Jagger where h- and he talks about just how, how can you be normal? I mean, I, I love your stadium videos, and I was like, "How, how are you normal after that?" But how are you normal if you're Mick Jagger?

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       I don't know.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy26:18

       50 years of that, of-

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       But I think that becomes your normal.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy26:22

       Well, of course. Like, anything.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       That's all it is.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy26:24

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:24

       Like, Mick Jagger was in Austin He went to bars, and shit-

   24. BPBridget Phetasy26:27

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:27

       ... and played pool and was eating pizza.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy26:29

       Amazing.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:29

       Just, like, out there doing normal shit.

   28. BPBridget Phetasy26:31

       He's so-

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:31

       Took, took photos, uh, put it on his Instagram.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy26:34

       Sh- he's-
10. 30:54 – 35:31

    Climate protest stunts, billionaire funding, and ‘current-thingism’ backlash

    1. BPBridget Phetasy30:54

       I, it's my f- I, of all the arts, I love all of the arts and F all of these kids who are gluing themselves to fricking-... classic art pieces. (laughs)

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Yeah. Well, they're gluing themselves to the wall-

    3. BPBridget Phetasy31:06

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       ... and throwing soup on the plastic-

    5. BPBridget Phetasy31:07

       Someone glued themself-

    6. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       ... plastic pa-

    7. BPBridget Phetasy31:08

       ... to the actual painting the other day.

    8. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Another one?

    9. BPBridget Phetasy31:10

       The Girl with a Pearl Earring, yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan31:12

        Wait, where was this?

    11. BPBridget Phetasy31:13

        Um ... Where at -where is that painting? I just wa- was reading about it on the way over here.

    12. JRJoe Rogan31:19

        They should start hacking arms off.

    13. BPBridget Phetasy31:21

        (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan31:21

        That would stop that.

    15. BPBridget Phetasy31:22

        I was like, "Get all of them."

    16. JRJoe Rogan31:24

        Just put a tourniquet around their forearm. Uh, "Climate protester glues his head to Girl With a Pearl Earring painting."

    17. BPBridget Phetasy31:31

        Oh, yeah. Hey, that's what I thought. Okay, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan31:32

        Oh, my God.

    19. BPBridget Phetasy31:33

        I mean-

    20. JRJoe Rogan31:34

        He glued his head to the painting.

    21. BPBridget Phetasy31:36

        And I'm not sure if this is true, so, maybe fact-check me on this, Jamie, but I also heard that somebody who's funding all of these is one of the grandchildren of the Gettys, which makes it even more hilarious if this is true.

    22. JRJoe Rogan31:49

        Well, who knows what- how much funding is involved in Krazy Glue.

    23. BPBridget Phetasy31:53

        That's an oil family! (laughs) Like if that-

    24. JRJoe Rogan31:56

        Yeah, but I'm saying it's Krazy Glue.

    25. BPBridget Phetasy31:57

        That's so funny. No, I kno-

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:58

        I mean, but how much funding is involved?

    27. BPBridget Phetasy31:59

        But they- they're c- they're climate activists, all these people. So it's just a- it's a-

    28. JRJoe Rogan32:05

        "Getty Oil fortune heiress helped fund climate activists who have target artworks in museums." Ugh.

    29. BPBridget Phetasy32:10

        How ... It's hilarious to me. Like, you are rich because of oil. (laughs) That's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan32:17

        She looks like the type of person who'd fund that.
11. 35:31 – 49:41

    Environmental trade-offs: cobalt mining, recycling reality, plastics, and the limits of virtue signaling

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:31

       Like, there's, uh, a guy that I'm gonna talk to that is, uh, covering cobalt mining.

    2. BPBridget Phetasy35:36

       Mm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan35:36

       And cobalt mining is horrific.

    4. BPBridget Phetasy35:39

       I know.

    5. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       It is horrific.

    6. BPBridget Phetasy35:40

       I know.

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       And it is in all of our electronics.

    8. BPBridget Phetasy35:43

       I know.

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:43

       It's like, one of the things that I've been saying about all these people that are tweeting about injustices on the world, they're doing it on a phone that was made by slaves.

    10. BPBridget Phetasy35:49

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:49

        Like, if you go down as far as you can go to find, like, what's- like, what's the source of the stuff that is in the phone that makes it work?

    12. BPBridget Phetasy35:58

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        It's- it's sourced by slavery.

    14. BPBridget Phetasy36:00

        All these electric vehicle batteries, too.

    15. JRJoe Rogan36:02

        Yeah.

    16. BPBridget Phetasy36:02

        I mean, what are we gonna do with all of ... And all the technological waste? What are we ... We just, like, take computers and ... What- what do you do with your old computer?

    17. JRJoe Rogan36:11

        Well, what do you do with all ... There's a lot. There's a lot to do. Like, I- I would imagine that this is an opportunity for someone to innovate and come up with a way to recycle that stuff and use it in a way. But then I was reading about recycling the other day. I went- I went down a rabbit hole the other day, 'cause I was talk- I was, uh, reading about, um, birds that are swallowing, like, bottle caps and stuff like that.

    18. BPBridget Phetasy36:31

        Okay, yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:31

        It's- it's a giant issue.

    20. BPBridget Phetasy36:32

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:33

        And so then I went on a rabbit hole of seagulls and what cunt seagulls are.

    22. BPBridget Phetasy36:37

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:37

        And seagulls swallowing rabbits and swallowing other birds. It's like, seagulls are monsters.

    24. BPBridget Phetasy36:42

        No, they are.

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:42

        They're fucking monsters.

    26. BPBridget Phetasy36:43

        "A seagull on the beach out east swept down and took my cousin's sandwich out of her hand while she was eating it." This is a true story. (laughs)

    27. JRJoe Rogan36:53

        That's- that's little. They'll eat your kid. If your kid was small enough, they'd swallow your kid.

    28. BPBridget Phetasy36:57

        (laughs)

    29. JRJoe Rogan36:57

        I mean, they- they're literal opportunist monsters.

    30. BPBridget Phetasy36:59

        Yeah.
12. 49:41 – 1:09:01

    Food wars: seed oils, processed ‘health’ products, carnivore experiments, and nutrition misinformation

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:41

       Well, you know, people, they, they buy that stuff because they think it's healthy and they're, they're being hoodwinked. That shit is... The, the seed oils is what's in that stuff. Seed oils are some of the worst fucking things your body can consume.

    2. BPBridget Phetasy49:52

       In what?

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:53

       Seed oils in those vegan patties and vegan beef-

    4. BPBridget Phetasy49:57

       Oh.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:58

       ... and all... There's so many products that have seed oils in them, and this is another rabbit hole I've been going down lately-

    6. BPBridget Phetasy50:02

       Oh, Jesus.

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:02

       ... about seed oils. Paul Saladino sent me something that, that, uh, there's, uh, some sort of a... Here, I'll send it to you, Jamey, so we can parse through this. There's some sort of a correlation between, uh, seed oils and macular degeneration. Look, it, it causes inflammation, and inflammation is fucking terrible for you, no matter what. And they're, they're not designed... They were initially made, and this is something, uh, that we, um... Max, uh, w- how do you say his last name? Lugavere?

    8. NANarrator50:31

       Yeah, I don't know.

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:32

       How do you say it?

    10. NANarrator50:33

        Y-

    11. BPBridget Phetasy50:34

        Like-

    12. JRJoe Rogan50:34

        That's how I would say it.

    13. BPBridget Phetasy50:34

        ... even sunflower seed oil?

    14. JRJoe Rogan50:36

        Sunflower seed's terrible for you.

    15. BPBridget Phetasy50:37

        But don't they use this, like, in other cultures all over the world?

    16. JRJoe Rogan50:41

        Yes, it's terrible for you. All that stuff was initially invented as industrial oil to, like, lubricate machines.

    17. BPBridget Phetasy50:48

        Hmm.

    18. JRJoe Rogan50:49

        Like, grapeseed oil, fucking terrible for you. All that stuff is terrible for you. Here, uh, dietary fatty acids and macular degeneration. Here, I'll send this to you, Jamey. Um, they, uh... Is your thing on, your AirDrop on? There it is. They're, they're not designed for human consumption. Like, for, for you to be able to get oil out of grape seeds, there's, there's this horrible process. Like, it was really, it was like, "Okay, we have these leftover seeds. What should we do with them?" And like, "Oh, well, we can take them through this crazy process and extract oil from them."

    19. BPBridget Phetasy51:25

        Uh-huh.

    20. JRJoe Rogan51:25

        And, but the, the, you have to run through this ridiculous chemical process to take the smell out of them, and then... Yeah, here it is.

    21. BPBridget Phetasy51:33

        I know nothing about this.

    22. JRJoe Rogan51:34

        It's not good. All that stuff's not good for you. Like, what's good for you is olive oil. Olive oil's great for you.

    23. BPBridget Phetasy51:39

        I use olive oil and avocado oil.

    24. JRJoe Rogan51:41

        Great for you. Good stuff.

    25. BPBridget Phetasy51:42

        Love it.

    26. JRJoe Rogan51:42

        "Dietary fatty acids and the 10-year incidence of age-related macular degeneration." So, uh, the object- objective was to assess the relationship between baseline dietary fatty acids and 10-year incident age-related macular degeneration. And, uh, after adjusting for age, sex, and smoking, one serving of fish per week was associated with reduced risk of incident early AMD, um, uh, primarily among patients with less than medium, median linoleic acid consumption, finding similar intake of long-chain, three polyunsaturated fatty acids. One to two servings of nuts per week was associated with a reduced risk of incident and AMD, uh, do-do-do... concerns, uh, projective associations between the intake of nuts and the reduced risk of pigmentary abnormalities we're seeing among non-smokers, participants with less than a median ratio of ser- serum total to high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and those with beta carotene intake greater than the median level. Concl-

    27. BPBridget Phetasy52:44

        So, nuts are good?

    28. JRJoe Rogan52:45

        Yeah, nuts are good for you. I mean, there's-

    29. BPBridget Phetasy52:48

        I don't know.

    30. JRJoe Rogan52:48

        ... there's, there's healthy fats in nuts, and, like, the things that l- you know, the things that people think of as healthy, like, a lot of times are not necessarily healthy, and one of those is seed oils.
13. 1:09:01 – 1:15:17

    ‘Eat bugs’ and the ‘Great Reset’ vibe: protein efficiency, insect farming, and the insect apocalypse paradox

    1. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:01

       There's some... That's a, uh, like eating bugs and the impossible meat and all of this stuff, it just feels very strange to me.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:09:08

       Orwellian.

    3. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:09

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:09:09

       Yeah.

    5. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:09

       The, the push for it. It's like-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:09:11

       Well-

    7. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:11

       ... this unified push for it that feels-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:14

       The bug doesn't bother me. A lot of-

    9. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:16

       Well, bugs are good protein.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:17

        Maybe because I... Yeah, maybe because I hosted Fear Factor, but...

    11. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:19

        I've eaten bugs.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:20

        I've eaten bugs. I've eaten a lot of bugs.

    13. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:22

        I'm sure.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:23

        But, uh, but cricket protein is actually good for you.

    15. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:25

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:26

        And, and it's a, it's a easy source of protein.

    17. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:28

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:09:28

        You know what's fucked up about that? I've eaten cricket protein, but if I find a cricket in my house, I always save it.

    19. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:33

        Oh, okay.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:09:33

        There's certain bugs-

    21. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:35

        (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:09:35

        ... that if you're in my house-

    23. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:36

        I save crickets.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:37

        ... you're dead. There's certain bugs, where you don't live if you're a roach. If you're a roach, I'm gonna fuck you up.

    25. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:42

        Do they have a lot of protein?

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:09:43

        I don't know. I've eaten them. I, I ate a roach.

    27. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:46

        I went to this thing in New Zealand and we... It was like this... I f- I forget even what it was called, it's this... And it's th- one of those things where you eat all ki-... I ate a grub. Like, they took it out of the wood-

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:09:57

        Yeah, they're not good.

    29. BPBridget Phetasy1:09:57

        ... and I ate it and-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:59

        Kind of flavorless, right?

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